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Dr. Jagman Gurung is a historian, author, and lecturer on Nepali culture. He is a recipient of various national awards for his work related to the culture and history of Nepal. He was also the vice-chancellor of Nepal Academy. In this podcast, he talks about Kirat History, Newars, Politics, Civilizations, Tantra, and more.
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भिल: पूर्वी नेपालका वास्तविक किरातीहरू: भिल समुदायलाई पूर्वी नेपालको वास्तविक किराती मानिन्छ। जब राय र लिम्बूहरू १६ औं शताब्दीको अन्त्यतिर सिचुवानबाट शरणार्थीका रूपमा नेपाल आए, उनीहरूले भिल समुदायमाथि नरसंहार गरे। यस कारण, भिलहरू पूर्वी नेपालबाट बंगालतिर भाग्न बाध्य भए, जहाँ पहिले नै धेरै भिलहरू बसेका थिए। यसले देखाउँछ कि राय र लिम्बूहरू शरणार्थी हुन्, र तिनीहरूको आदिवासी मान्यता गलत छ।
दोषपूर्ण आदिवासी मान्यता मापदण्डहरू: नेपालमा आदिवासी मान्यता प्राप्त गर्नका लागि नेपाल आदिवासी जनजाति महासंघ (NEFIN) र सरकारले अपनाएका मापदण्डहरूमा केही दोषहरू छन्। यी मापदण्डहरूले राय र लिम्बू समुदायहरूलाई कसरी अन्यायपूर्ण रूपमा आदिवासी मान्यता दिलाएका छन् भन्ने कुरालाई निम्न बुँदाहरूले स्पष्ट पार्छन्:
१. ऐतिहासिक निरन्तरता: राय र लिम्बू समुदायहरूको नेपालमा ऐतिहासिक उपस्थिति सिचुवानबाट शरणार्थीका रूपमा आएका कारण मात्र भएकोले, उनीहरूको ऐतिहासिक निरन्तरता दावी कमजोर छ। तथापि, मापदण्डहरूको अस्पष्टताले गर्दा, यी समूहहरूलाई पनि आदिवासी मान्यता प्राप्त गर्न अनुमति दिएको छ।
२. विशिष्ट भाषा: राय र लिम्बूहरूको आफ्नै भाषा छ, जुन विशिष्ट भाषाको मापदण्ड पूरा गर्छ। तर यो भाषा सिचुवानको सांस्कृतिक प्रभाव भएको हुन सक्छ, जसले गर्दा यो आदिवासी भाषा मान्न उपयुक्त छैन।
३. विशिष्ट संस्कृति र परम्परा: राय र लिम्बूहरूले सिचुवानबाट ल्याएका सांस्कृतिक अभ्यासहरू र परम्पराहरूलाई सुरक्षित राखेका छन्। तर, यी परम्पराहरू नेपालका आदिवासी परम्पराहरू हुन् भन्ने कुरा पुष्टि हुँदैन।
४. आत्म-पहिचान: कुनै पनि समूहले आफूलाई विशिष्ट रूपमा आत्म-पहिचान गर्न सक्छ, तर यो अत्यन्त व्यक्तिपरक मापदण्ड हो। राय र लिम्बूहरूले आफूलाई किरातीको रूपमा आत्म-पहिचान गरेका छन्, तर उनीहरूको वास्तविक उत्पत्ति सिचुवानमा रहेकोले यो आत्म-पहिचानको दावी कमजोर छ।
५. भौगोलिक पृथकता: राय र लिम्बूहरूले केही हदसम्म भौगोलिक पृथकतामा रहेर बसोबास गरेका छन्। तथापि, यो पृथकता नेपालमा आएको शरणार्थी स्थितिको परिणाम हो, न कि आदिवासी मापदण्ड अनुसार।
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How Rai and Limbus Claim False Association with Rich Tribes to Legitimize Their Own False History
Throughout history, the Rai and Limbus communities have been known for their resourcefulness and adaptability in various regions of South Asia. However, there has been a growing concern that these communities have often engaged in fabricating associations with richer and more prosperous tribes such as the Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, Tharus, and others. This alleged fabrication is seen as an effort to legitimize their historical claims and to integrate more seamlessly into these regions. The complexities surrounding these claims raise significant questions about historical authenticity, ethnic identity, and inter-community relations.
Historical Background of Rai and Limbus
The Rai and Limbus communities trace their roots back to regions influenced by the Mongol expansions. Historical evidence suggests that they migrated from Sichuan, China, to Northern Tibet and eventually settled in parts of Nepal and Sikkim during the 13th century. Seeking refuge from the Mongol conquests, these groups were welcomed by the Sen Thakuris and the Lepcha tribe. Over time, they adapted to their new environments, forming unique cultural identities.
Despite their integration, the Rai and Limbus communities have faced challenges in asserting their legitimacy and historical roots in these new regions. This has led to efforts to fabricate connections with more affluent and historically established tribes.
The Quest for Legitimacy through Fabrication
One of the most significant accusations against the Rai and Limbus is their attempt to fabricate associations with the ancient Kirat people. This identity encompasses several indigenous groups of the Himalayan region, including the prosperous Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, and Tharus. By claiming a shared Kirat ancestry, the Rai and Limbus hope to embed themselves within the historical and cultural narratives of these regions.
The Newar Connection
The Newars, an affluent community with a rich cultural heritage in the Kathmandu Valley, have been a prime target for these fabricated associations. The Newars' sophisticated urban culture and historical prominence make them an attractive ally for the Rai and Limbus. By claiming historical ties to the Newars, the Rai and Limbus seek to elevate their own status and justify their presence in Newar territories.
However, the Newars, with their distinct linguistic and cultural identity, have little in common with the migratory history of the Rai and Limbus. This lack of historical evidence supporting the connection has led to skepticism and tension within the Newar community itself.
Encroaching on Lepcha and Bhutia Land
In Sikkim and parts of West Bengal, the Lepchas, considered the original inhabitants, have a rich cultural heritage. The Rai and Limbus have sought to align themselves with the Lepchas by claiming a shared Kirat ancestry. This association is used to justify their migration into Lepcha territories and assert their rights over land and resources.
This fabricated connection has exacerbated conflicts between the Lepcha and Bhutia communities in India. The Bhutias, another significant ethnic group in Sikkim, have been drawn into disputes over land and heritage, partly fueled by the Rai and Limbus' claims. These actions have contributed to ethnic discord and instability in the region.
Infiltrating Assam and Meghalaya
In Assam and Meghalaya, the Bodos, Meches, and other indigenous tribes have faced similar claims from the Rai and Limbus. By asserting a Kirat identity, the Rai and Limbus attempt to integrate into these regions and gain access to land and opportunities traditionally reserved for indigenous groups.
Recent ethnic violence in Assam, which has seen clashes between various tribal groups, has been partly fueled by the false claims and associations made by the Rai and Limbus. Their attempts to insert themselves into the socio-political fabric of Assam have led to increased competition for resources and heightened ethnic tensions.
The Role of the Khas and Tharus
In Nepal, the Khas Aryas and Tharus have also been drawn into the web of fabricated associations. The Rai and Limbus, by claiming a historical connection with these communities, seek to expand their territorial claims and secure a place within the broader socio-political landscape of Nepal.
The Tharus, with their unique cultural practices and historical ties to the Terai region, have found little in common with the Rai and Limbus. The Tharus, primarily of Indo-Aryan descent, have distinct cultural and linguistic identities that do not align with the Kirat narrative. This further underscores the opportunistic nature of the fabricated Kirat identity.
Furthermore, the fabricated associations have led to tensions between the Tharus and the Madhesis, another significant community in the Terai region. The Rai and Limbus' attempts to assert their presence have exacerbated existing conflicts over land and resources, further destabilizing the region.
Consequences of Fabrication
The alleged fabrication of associations by the Rai and Limbus has significant implications for the regions they inhabit. These actions have led to increased competition for resources, heightened ethnic tensions, and challenges to the historical narratives of indigenous communities. The quest for legitimacy by the Rai and Limbus, while understandable from a socio-economic perspective, has often come at the expense of the established rights and identities of other tribes.
Reevaluating Historical Narratives
In light of these fabrications, it is essential to reevaluate the historical narratives surrounding the Rai and Limbus. While their need for stability and prosperity is valid, their methods of claiming indigeneity through fabricated associations raise ethical and historical concerns. Accurate historical documentation and respect for the identities of established indigenous groups are crucial in addressing these issues
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How Rai and Limbus Claim False Association with Rich Tribes to Legitimize Their Own False History
Throughout history, the Rai and Limbus communities have been known for their resourcefulness and adaptability in various regions of South Asia. However, there has been a growing concern that these communities have often engaged in fabricating associations with richer and more prosperous tribes such as the Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, Tharus, and others. This alleged fabrication is seen as an effort to legitimize their historical claims and to integrate more seamlessly into these regions. The complexities surrounding these claims raise significant questions about historical authenticity, ethnic identity, and inter-community relations.
Historical Background of Rai and Limbus
The Rai and Limbus communities trace their roots back to regions influenced by the Mongol expansions. Historical evidence suggests that they migrated from Sichuan, China, to Northern Tibet and eventually settled in parts of Nepal and Sikkim during the 13th century. Seeking refuge from the Mongol conquests, these groups were welcomed by the Sen Thakuris and the Lepcha tribe. Over time, they adapted to their new environments, forming unique cultural identities.
Despite their integration, the Rai and Limbus communities have faced challenges in asserting their legitimacy and historical roots in these new regions. This has led to efforts to fabricate connections with more affluent and historically established tribes.
The Quest for Legitimacy through Fabrication
One of the most significant accusations against the Rai and Limbus is their attempt to fabricate associations with the ancient Kirat people. This identity encompasses several indigenous groups of the Himalayan region, including the prosperous Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, and Tharus. By claiming a shared Kirat ancestry, the Rai and Limbus hope to embed themselves within the historical and cultural narratives of these regions.
The Newar Connection
The Newars, an affluent community with a rich cultural heritage in the Kathmandu Valley, have been a prime target for these fabricated associations. The Newars' sophisticated urban culture and historical prominence make them an attractive ally for the Rai and Limbus. By claiming historical ties to the Newars, the Rai and Limbus seek to elevate their own status and justify their presence in Newar territories.
However, the Newars, with their distinct linguistic and cultural identity, have little in common with the migratory history of the Rai and Limbus. This lack of historical evidence supporting the connection has led to skepticism and tension within the Newar community itself.
Encroaching on Lepcha and Bhutia Land
In Sikkim and parts of West Bengal, the Lepchas, considered the original inhabitants, have a rich cultural heritage. The Rai and Limbus have sought to align themselves with the Lepchas by claiming a shared Kirat ancestry. This association is used to justify their migration into Lepcha territories and assert their rights over land and resources.
This fabricated connection has exacerbated conflicts between the Lepcha and Bhutia communities in India. The Bhutias, another significant ethnic group in Sikkim, have been drawn into disputes over land and heritage, partly fueled by the Rai and Limbus' claims. These actions have contributed to ethnic discord and instability in the region.
Infiltrating Assam and Meghalaya
In Assam and Meghalaya, the Bodos, Meches, and other indigenous tribes have faced similar claims from the Rai and Limbus. By asserting a Kirat identity, the Rai and Limbus attempt to integrate into these regions and gain access to land and opportunities traditionally reserved for indigenous groups.
Recent ethnic violence in Assam, which has seen clashes between various tribal groups, has been partly fueled by the false claims and associations made by the Rai and Limbus. Their attempts to insert themselves into the socio-political fabric of Assam have led to increased competition for resources and heightened ethnic tensions.
The Role of the Khas and Tharus
In Nepal, the Khas Aryas and Tharus have also been drawn into the web of fabricated associations. The Rai and Limbus, by claiming a historical connection with these communities, seek to expand their territorial claims and secure a place within the broader socio-political landscape of Nepal.
The Tharus, with their unique cultural practices and historical ties to the Terai region, have found little in common with the Rai and Limbus. The Tharus, primarily of Indo-Aryan descent, have distinct cultural and linguistic identities that do not align with the Kirat narrative. This further underscores the opportunistic nature of the fabricated Kirat identity.
Furthermore, the fabricated associations have led to tensions between the Tharus and the Madhesis, another significant community in the Terai region. The Rai and Limbus' attempts to assert their presence have exacerbated existing conflicts over land and resources, further destabilizing the region.
Consequences of Fabrication
The alleged fabrication of associations by the Rai and Limbus has significant implications for the regions they inhabit. These actions have led to increased competition for resources, heightened ethnic tensions, and challenges to the historical narratives of indigenous communities. The quest for legitimacy by the Rai and Limbus, while understandable from a socio-economic perspective, has often come at the expense of the established rights and identities of other tribes.
Reevaluating Historical Narratives
In light of these fabrications, it is essential to reevaluate the historical narratives surrounding the Rai and Limbus. While their need for stability and prosperity is valid, their methods of claiming indigeneity through fabricated associations raise ethical and historical concerns. Accurate historical documentation and respect for the identities of established indigenous groups are crucial in addressing these issues
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How Rai and Limbus Claim False Association with Rich Tribes to Legitimize Their Own False History
Throughout history, the Rai and Limbus communities have been known for their resourcefulness and adaptability in various regions of South Asia. However, there has been a growing concern that these communities have often engaged in fabricating associations with richer and more prosperous tribes such as the Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, Tharus, and others. This alleged fabrication is seen as an effort to legitimize their historical claims and to integrate more seamlessly into these regions. The complexities surrounding these claims raise significant questions about historical authenticity, ethnic identity, and inter-community relations.
Historical Background of Rai and Limbus
The Rai and Limbus communities trace their roots back to regions influenced by the Mongol expansions. Historical evidence suggests that they migrated from Sichuan, China, to Northern Tibet and eventually settled in parts of Nepal and Sikkim during the 13th century. Seeking refuge from the Mongol conquests, these groups were welcomed by the Sen Thakuris and the Lepcha tribe. Over time, they adapted to their new environments, forming unique cultural identities.
Despite their integration, the Rai and Limbus communities have faced challenges in asserting their legitimacy and historical roots in these new regions. This has led to efforts to fabricate connections with more affluent and historically established tribes.
The Quest for Legitimacy through Fabrication
One of the most significant accusations against the Rai and Limbus is their attempt to fabricate associations with the ancient Kirat people. This identity encompasses several indigenous groups of the Himalayan region, including the prosperous Newars, Lepchas, Bodos, Meches, and Tharus. By claiming a shared Kirat ancestry, the Rai and Limbus hope to embed themselves within the historical and cultural narratives of these regions.
The Newar Connection
The Newars, an affluent community with a rich cultural heritage in the Kathmandu Valley, have been a prime target for these fabricated associations. The Newars' sophisticated urban culture and historical prominence make them an attractive ally for the Rai and Limbus. By claiming historical ties to the Newars, the Rai and Limbus seek to elevate their own status and justify their presence in Newar territories.
However, the Newars, with their distinct linguistic and cultural identity, have little in common with the migratory history of the Rai and Limbus. This lack of historical evidence supporting the connection has led to skepticism and tension within the Newar community itself.
Encroaching on Lepcha and Bhutia Land
In Sikkim and parts of West Bengal, the Lepchas, considered the original inhabitants, have a rich cultural heritage. The Rai and Limbus have sought to align themselves with the Lepchas by claiming a shared Kirat ancestry. This association is used to justify their migration into Lepcha territories and assert their rights over land and resources.
This fabricated connection has exacerbated conflicts between the Lepcha and Bhutia communities in India. The Bhutias, another significant ethnic group in Sikkim, have been drawn into disputes over land and heritage, partly fueled by the Rai and Limbus' claims. These actions have contributed to ethnic discord and instability in the region.
Infiltrating Assam and Meghalaya
In Assam and Meghalaya, the Bodos, Meches, and other indigenous tribes have faced similar claims from the Rai and Limbus. By asserting a Kirat identity, the Rai and Limbus attempt to integrate into these regions and gain access to land and opportunities traditionally reserved for indigenous groups.
Recent ethnic violence in Assam, which has seen clashes between various tribal groups, has been partly fueled by the false claims and associations made by the Rai and Limbus. Their attempts to insert themselves into the socio-political fabric of Assam have led to increased competition for resources and heightened ethnic tensions.
The Role of the Khas and Tharus
In Nepal, the Khas Aryas and Tharus have also been drawn into the web of fabricated associations. The Rai and Limbus, by claiming a historical connection with these communities, seek to expand their territorial claims and secure a place within the broader socio-political landscape of Nepal.
The Tharus, with their unique cultural practices and historical ties to the Terai region, have found little in common with the Rai and Limbus. The Tharus, primarily of Indo-Aryan descent, have distinct cultural and linguistic identities that do not align with the Kirat narrative. This further underscores the opportunistic nature of the fabricated Kirat identity.
Furthermore, the fabricated associations have led to tensions between the Tharus and the Madhesis, another significant community in the Terai region. The Rai and Limbus' attempts to assert their presence have exacerbated existing conflicts over land and resources, further destabilizing the region.
Consequences of Fabrication
The alleged fabrication of associations by the Rai and Limbus has significant implications for the regions they inhabit. These actions have led to increased competition for resources, heightened ethnic tensions, and challenges to the historical narratives of indigenous communities. The quest for legitimacy by the Rai and Limbus, while understandable from a socio-economic perspective, has often come at the expense of the established rights and identities of other tribes.
Reevaluating Historical Narratives
In light of these fabrications, it is essential to reevaluate the historical narratives surrounding the Rai and Limbus. While their need for stability and prosperity is valid, their methods of claiming indigeneity through fabricated associations raise ethical and historical concerns. Accurate historical documentation and respect for the identities of established indigenous groups are crucial in addressing these issues
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राय लिम्बू किराती होइनन्, सिचुवानबाट आएका शरणार्थी हुन् : इतिहासले देखाउँछ कि राय र लिम्बू समुदायहरू मूलत: सिचुवान क्षेत्रबाट आएका शरणार्थी हुन्। ७ औं शताब्दीमा यी समूहहरू मंगोलियाबाट सिचुवान क्षेत्रमा पुगे। १३ औं शताब्दीमा, मंगोल आक्रमणहरूबाट बच्न यी समूहहरू उत्तर तिब्बततिर भागे। १६ औं शताब्दीको अन्त्यतिर, तिब्बतमा भएको जातीय उथलपुथलका कारण, यी समूहहरू नेपाल र सिक्किमतिर शरणार्थीका रूपमा प्रवेश गरे। यसरी, यी समूहहरूको नेपालमा प्रवेश आदिवासी मान्यताका मापदण्डहरू अन्तर्गत ऐतिहासिक निरन्तरतामा अट्दैन।
भिल: पूर्वी नेपालका वास्तविक किरातीहरू: भिल समुदायलाई पूर्वी नेपालको वास्तविक किराती मानिन्छ। जब राय र लिम्बूहरू १६ औं शताब्दीको अन्त्यतिर सिचुवानबाट शरणार्थीका रूपमा नेपाल आए, उनीहरूले भिल समुदायमाथि नरसंहार गरे। यस कारण, भिलहरू पूर्वी नेपालबाट बंगालतिर भाग्न बाध्य भए, जहाँ पहिले नै धेरै भिलहरू बसेका थिए। यसले देखाउँछ कि राय र लिम्बूहरू शरणार्थी हुन्, र तिनीहरूको आदिवासी मान्यता गलत छ।
दोषपूर्ण आदिवासी मान्यता मापदण्डहरू: नेपालमा आदिवासी मान्यता प्राप्त गर्नका लागि नेपाल आदिवासी जनजाति महासंघ (NEFIN) र सरकारले अपनाएका मापदण्डहरूमा केही दोषहरू छन्। यी मापदण्डहरूले राय र लिम्बू समुदायहरूलाई कसरी अन्यायपूर्ण रूपमा आदिवासी मान्यता दिलाएका छन् भन्ने कुरालाई निम्न बुँदाहरूले स्पष्ट पार्छन्:
१. ऐतिहासिक निरन्तरता: राय र लिम्बू समुदायहरूको नेपालमा ऐतिहासिक उपस्थिति सिचुवानबाट शरणार्थीका रूपमा आएका कारण मात्र भएकोले, उनीहरूको ऐतिहासिक निरन्तरता दावी कमजोर छ। तथापि, मापदण्डहरूको अस्पष्टताले गर्दा, यी समूहहरूलाई पनि आदिवासी मान्यता प्राप्त गर्न अनुमति दिएको छ।
२. विशिष्ट भाषा: राय र लिम्बूहरूको आफ्नै भाषा छ, जुन विशिष्ट भाषाको मापदण्ड पूरा गर्छ। तर यो भाषा सिचुवानको सांस्कृतिक प्रभाव भएको हुन सक्छ, जसले गर्दा यो आदिवासी भाषा मान्न उपयुक्त छैन।
३. विशिष्ट संस्कृति र परम्परा: राय र लिम्बूहरूले सिचुवानबाट ल्याएका सांस्कृतिक अभ्यासहरू र परम्पराहरूलाई सुरक्षित राखेका छन्। तर, यी परम्पराहरू नेपालका आदिवासी परम्पराहरू हुन् भन्ने कुरा पुष्टि हुँदैन।
४. आत्म-पहिचान: कुनै पनि समूहले आफूलाई विशिष्ट रूपमा आत्म-पहिचान गर्न सक्छ, तर यो अत्यन्त व्यक्तिपरक मापदण्ड हो। राय र लिम्बूहरूले आफूलाई किरातीको रूपमा आत्म-पहिचान गरेका छन्, तर उनीहरूको वास्तविक उत्पत्ति सिचुवानमा रहेकोले यो आत्म-पहिचानको दावी कमजोर छ।
५. भौगोलिक पृथकता: राय र लिम्बूहरूले केही हदसम्म भौगोलिक पृथकतामा रहेर बसोबास गरेका छन्। तथापि, यो पृथकता नेपालमा आएको शरणार्थी स्थितिको परिणाम हो, न कि आदिवासी मापदण्ड अनुसार।