4:44 THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING!! yes, jason's past was finally mentioned in the blood of olympus but it was kinda just brushed over in 15 pages, while the other characters were constantly thrown into flashbacks throughout all the heroes of olympus books. in this way, his character is definitely underdeveloped compared to the others, so there he loses much interesting characteristic. he can be a great character otherwise, which is why i think he deserves some sort of prequel book featuring reyna, it would really help us understand his backstory and actually feel something toward it. that's my opinion on it :)
Dangg a Jason prequel book sounds great! Thanks for suggesting it! Alsoo yeahh as I mentioned in the video, it's true. Jason's backstory is pretty much thrown under the bus as there's not that much we can get from him until the last book which is almost too late to connect with him.
I like Jason, but comparing him to Percy in a sense is unfair, because we got five individual books of Percy's character development. And well Percy in my opinion has a better personality and is more appealing to read. Percy is my personal favourite, but Jason is still a well written character.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Yess, I agree. Comparing Percy to Jason is pretty harsh on Jason’s part because Jason didn’t have five books to grow and establish himself as a character whereas Percy had that through the PJO books. Alsoo I do agree that Percy has a better personality but I’m glad to see there’s another fan who doesn’t hate Jason! ❤️
I agree with this 1000%. I Also think the point is there wasn’t much to Jason besides what you see until he was given a new perspective from the amnesia. Not saying he was completely bland but being a dedicated soldier was his life and kind of his personality until Hera pulled the switch with him and Percy. It opened his eyes to a new world and he was trying to figure it and himself out. The one thing he stayed true to until the end were his morals. I thought he was a great character tbh.
Jason didn't deserve the hate from the fandom. He's my favorite character, even over Nico, Percy, Annabeth, and many others. Spoiler warning from Trials of Apollo Book 3: Jason's death really shocked me and was the first death that I cried over. Reading the Lost Hero, I loved reading Jason's POV chapters since I loved that his life was such a huge mystery when he lost his memories. Percy's loss of memories was less interesting since I had already read all about Percy for 5 books. Like I said, Jason didn't deserve the amount of hate that he got.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I love how you got more interested instead of annoyed of Jason's amnesia plotline because that's a different perspective i haven't really heard of. Alsoo nice to see another person who likes Jason as a character! ❤️
I agree. Jason was a character who had so much potential and he could've been developed more to prove himself as a compelling character. I wish Rick could've done that more to stop the comparisons made to Percy and the rest of the characters.
I really enjoyed Jason as a character from the moment I read his first chapter. I haven't grown up with the Percy Jackson books and started reading them about 2 years ago. Right after I finished The Last Olympian, I bought The Lost Hero on Audible and Jason was my favorite character in that book because of the fact that he was clearly not a son of Zeus, but rather Jupiter, and his amnesia aspect made me want to find out everything I could about him. I was disapointed to find out his backstory so late, but he still deserves way more credit.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Nice to see another fan who doesn’t hate Jason :))) Alsoo I love how you liked the amnesia issue Jason had because many fans didn’t like that when reading the book. It’s nice to see another perspective! ❤️
I think my reason was in the lost hero I was just like “where’s Percy? Percy gonna be found any time now……is that Percy!?! No….. No Percy = bad book” keep in mind I was a child then, but I’m sure it has some effect on me
Yess! That’s what I felt too when reading The Lost Hero. Percy’s absence was shocking and it made me question who the heck was Jason and why is he in this book
He didn’t deserve the hate! I loved him when I saw he was hated I was honestly surprised. Toa book three spoiler: I read a lot, I had been close to tears before when reading but reading Jason’s death was the first time I properly cried and I still cry over him. Idc what anyone says I loved him.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and glad to see another fan who doesn't hate Jason! :)))) SPOILERS And I relate! Jason's death was so heartbreaking to read about in The Burning Maze 😭
I started reading the heroes of olympus series in my school library like 3 months ago so I don't have the same connection with percy or the others and I instantly liked jason He is tied to my favorite character with leo I have never read the pjo series and im in the house of hades now Idk why people hate him but he is one of my favorite characters Edit: I think the main reason people don't like him is because he wasn't percy and that they were expecting percy in the lost hero
Hiii, there! Nice to see another fan who doesn't hate Jason. :)))) And yesss I get you. Though I read PJO before the Heroes of Olympus which gave me more moments with Percy and Annabeth, it's unfair to just judge Jason just because he didn't get that much buildup as a character compared to Percy. I like Jason as a character and its nice to hear your thoughts! ❤️
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I agree. The comparison of Jason to other characters is really intense and Jason just looks really bad in the process.
Hii, there! Thanks for sharing your thoughts :))) and I agree. Though Jason isn't always my most favorite character in all of the Riordanverse, he didn't deserve all that hate he got from the fandom. Plus I get you on his death- it was an eye-opening moment of Jason's significance but it still hurt to read.
I’ve seen people say that Jason is a knock off Percy, which to me, i think its the other way around. Percy very quickly got Jasons spot as Praetor and it seemed like CJ almost forgot about Jason and just needed someone to fill in his shoes. While at CHB, (correct me if im wrong) but they didnt really trust Jason and were wary of him.
Hii, there- that is a good observation :)))) and yess you are right. Although Camp Jupiter was wary around Percy in the first chapters of The Son of Neptune, they were desperate to get a leader for their camp because of Jason's disappearance. They looked to Percy as a leader who could help them while Camp Half Blood didn't need one. This made them more unwilling to trust Jason until Jason proved himself in his quest to save Hera in The Lost Hero.
As someone who has always had Jason as my favorite character even since I was like 8 years old reading TLH when it first came out, it really is sad seeing how much missed potential he had. Both him and Piper had the potential to be some of the most interesting characters in the series, especially given the bits we see in TOA, but in the end they got so little attention that it really hurt their final characterization. I hate to say it, but after recently rereading HOO I think the culprit is actually Percabeth. I remember seeing reactions to Jason and all the new characters when HOO first started and people were so mad. Even SoN got a ton of flack from pissed off percabeth shippers who were mad that they weren’t back together yet. I remember Rick got swarmed with hate mail over it and I think it may have caused him to change course with MoA and HoH and have the percabeth sections be way more prominent because, as much as I hate to say it, Percy and Annabeth’s journeys in those two really didn’t add much since their character arcs were already complete thanks to the original series so the huge chunk of story (especially in HoH) that was dedicated to them was mostly just shipping fuel, which wouldn’t be so bad if not for the fact that arguably every new character except for Hazel wasn’t given enough time or development. Basically I think Jason was going to get that full fledged development we saw a bit of in BoO, but Rick walked back on it to make more room for Percy and Annabeth content that people were screaming for, and that’s probably why HoO as a whole felt so rushed despite having so much down time. Good video by the way, it was so crazy seeing the fandom pretty much flip their opinion on Jason over night after The Burning Maze. I’m sure a lot of them were just people trying to ride the trends, but I do think for a lot of people his death was just the wake up call they needed to remind them that he’s not Percy and that he should’ve been analyzed on his own merits.
Hii, there! That's a lot of thoughts and thanks for sharing them :))) I agree with you and the emphasis on Percy and Annabeth's relationship in HOO is something I didn't notice until you pointed it out- I did know that a lot of people wanted to see Percy and Annabeth again because of PJO but I had no idea that Rick might've been pressured to do that hence why there's still a lot of emphasis of them in The Mark of Athena to The Blood of Olympus. As a massive Percabeth shipper, I loved a lot of moments from those books but I kinda feel bad now realizing just how much pressure Rick must've been in by the fandom for more content- that also probably explains why Rick struggled to balance Percabeth and the Jason backstory in The Blood of Olympus which is a shame because I would've wanted to get to know Jason more in a less forced way. I also understand you on the fandom flipping their opinion after The Burning Maze because that was kind of me too lol- in my first read of HOO, I appreciated Jason's character but he wasn't really my most favorite perspective to read about because I found the other characters more interesting so reading his death felt like getting randomly punched in the gut because of how shocking and devastating it was. We see Jason sacrifice himself like the hero he was and it made me truly see his value from there. Thanks for liking my video!
@YceSy Yeah sorry for the wall lol, it was one of those nights where I was feeling nostalgic about this series and fell down the Jason rabbit hole. And hey no need to feel bad about the percabeth thing, I’m a huge percabeth fan too (as is everyone who read it lol) and I loved all those moments at the time. But yeah just looking back they really didn’t affect the story much and I have no doubt it’s why the rest of the cast got undercooked.
TLH: Jason has amnesia, so we learn nothing about his, and he is constantly compared to Percy, who is the fan favorite.(Percy and Jason aren't even that similar, he maps more closely to Annabeth) SoN: He isn't in the book. We hear secondhand about some of his achievements, but Percy ties his greatest accomplishment by becoming Praetor in a week, making Jason seem less impressive. MoA: Jason doesn't have any POV chapters, so he is sidelined. The first section is the first and only time we see him in New Rome and its an Annabeth chapter in which he acts like an idiot. He is too powerful, so he is knocked out at the start of every fight so the POV person can solve the problem. His entire storyline his relegated to his boring failed romance with Piper and his with rivalry Percy, which just made people hate him more because fans liked Percy better. HoH: Jason only has two sections to shine, and one of them is primarily devoted to Nico, so his arc of preferring Greek to Roman is rushed, especially since we never get any scenes past of present of him in New Rome from his POV. BoO: He finally gets some focus and cool moments, and has a clear character motivation of helping the minor gods, probably in because the author realized he needed to make people like him. TBM: He is only in a few chapters and then he dies. TLDR: Jason had potential with an interesting past shrouded in mystery, but he was unfairly pitted against a fan favorite character for no good reason and the actual details of his past were not explored. He could have recovered, but he was sidelined for the next three books and ended up seeming like a useless idiot. Once he did get the spotlight again fans had already made up their minds about him, only appreciating him after he had been killed off.
Wow- this is a pretty detailed take on Jason's character. You refreshed me on what happened in the books regarding Jason's character and its true. Jason didn't have as much buildup and like you said, he was pushed back into the sidelines and placed against a fan favorite character like Percy Jackson himself. It's honestly a poor decision to make for his character as you have to make readers like your new character but the amnesia plot line, Jason's back story being thrown under the bus until The Blood of Olympus, the constant gag of him getting knocked out in the fight after being told he's a fearsome fighter, and the ongoing trend of characters just telling us about Jason instead of showing us what's happening. These things triggered fans to not like him and I guess Rick tried to redeem Jason by giving a bit more of Jason in The Blood of Olympus but by then, it's too late to connect with Jason because the next appearance he even gets is in The Burning Maze when he's killed off. With all of this, his character could've had more potential had Rick gave more time to develop Jason in the books.
Jason Grace is so underrated jason's death is the absolute saddest most people in the fandom say he's a bland character and boring and all but think abt it if our beloved percy were raised up the way jason was, he would be similar *he had a maniacic ( not sure if that word exists but whatever ) mother and his sister Thalia, was the only person who loved him * at 2 years old he was sent to train with wolves, who would not accept any weakness from him and then sent to camp jupiter at freaking TWO YEARS OLD!!!!! * then being a son of jupiter he had to be " perfect" the pressure was immense even though he joined the worst cohort, did the least glamourous quests, befriended the "weird" kids he was made praetor anyway, just cause he's a son of jupiter * he always had to be what other people thought of him, he never had a real family, let alone close friends, the closest for a friend he had was reyna and he lost his family he never got to experience being a normal person cause of the pressure percy had sally, he had grover, he got to experience normal life and find himself jason never got that he was pressured enough by being a son of zeus and then to top it off he had no friends of family for support and he could not be himself because he is a son of jupiter and that carries a lot of reputation people in the fandom think he's too perfect HE"S A NORMAL PERSON JUST LIKE US!!! he seem's perfect because thats how he has to present himself as a son of jupiter!!!!!!! they also call him bland, boring and dull THATS CAUSE HE NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO BE HIMSELF!!!!!!! and in the heroes of olympus when he goes to camphalfblood, that was the closest thing he ever got to finding himself he felt at home there he finally met his sister he wasnt pressured to be the leader anymore he could finally sit back, relax and find himself then in trials of apollo he and piper break up he goes to school and tries to live like a normal boy until apollo comes to him for help and jason, knowing that he will die, helps apollo for the greater good and did i mention that he wanted to honour every single one of those millions of idiotic gods so as to stop a war yes THAT IS HOW PURE A SOUL HE WAS AND HIS DEATH, DONT GET ME STARTED ON THAT HE GOT A PROPHECY SAYING THAT EITHER PIPER OR HE WILL DIE REAL DEATH, not like leo or hazel then he knowingly sacrifices himself so that piper doesnt die, so that her father does not lose his daughter " I'm Jason Grace. Former praetor of the Twelth Legion. Son of Jupiter. Child of Rome. But I belong to both camps. " " I watched again as Caligula plucked out his spear, then drove it again into Jason's back, removing any last hope that our friend might be alive. " - the burning maze, ToA and then he freakin dies without being able to find himself, live a normal life or anything He was remembered for being a hero after his death, but not the person he was!!!! im sorry uncle rick, u have written some really good stories, but u failed totally with Jason Grace. HE HAD SOOOOOO MUCH MORE POTENTIAL u could have at least given him a character before u killed him off just as he was getting interesting to jason-haters ( i'm not one, im a loyal lover from the lost hero ) u killed him off how could u You will Forever be in our hearts Some legends are told some turn to dust or to gold but u will remember me Remember me For centuries - In memory of our saving GRACE we miss u JASON GRACE TRIBUTE ( u deseved soo much more ) p.s. i wish there was a better relashionship between jason and percy Thank you if you read the whole thing
Wow- that's a lot of thoughts and it really refreshed my memory on everything Jason went through! Thanks for sharing :))) and I do get your point. Jason is arguably a tragic character with how messed up his childhood was added with the challenges of his teen years where he literally fought in wars and then he didn't even reach adulthood and died. Jason is hated on for being bland and boring to read about and you're right again- it's because deep down, he genuinely has no idea about who he is. He never had a chance to actually breathe and be himself because of the constant pressure and danger his life always had and it is heartbreaking to think that Jason never truly found himself even in death. Although he claims to be in peace with his fate, it begs the question of what could've been if Jason had lived instead. Once again, thanks for sharing your thoughts! :))))
Hii, there! That's a nice detail- a lot of heroes in Greek Mythology have such tragic deaths and Jason (from the Argonauts and basically Jason Grace's namesake) was part of that. I think you're right that it's poetic of Rick to give Jason a much peaceful ending than the one that happened to Jason in the myth as our Jason chose his fate to die and made peace with it- that's something I didn't really notice :)))) Thank you!
I also don''t hate Jason,I thought it was cool to see the world from another character's eyes. I really like his character, even though he could have had more development.
If anything, Trials of Apollo was the PERFECT time to expand on Jason's character. Rick obviously messed up by not giving us enough backstory about him in the heroes of olympus, but thats always salvageable. Instead Rick seemed to give in to the fan-hate (most of whom are middle schoolers who are just too young to read too deeply into more serial characters) and ended up removing Jason completely. I think i loved him since Mark of Athena, around that time i was starting to get tired of Percy and thought Jason's gap of buff blonde warrior on the outside and clueless on the inside was funny. His handling of Nico's coming out was also one of my most cherished scenes in the entire series, i literally can't think of any other character who could have comforted nico better in that situation. He was also a 'big brother' protector character despite being a little brother himself. Giving him glasses was a great touch, he was literally blonde clark kent and it was endearing. Sorry for the rant I'm just mad no one seemed to like Jason or realise his worth until he died and now we cant even have him back.
Hii, there! You made some great points about Jason's character and I agree with what you said about how Rick seemed to have given in with the Jason hate and just decided to kill Jason off. I think that decision was a bit double sided in the sense that it was supposed to emotionally impact Apollo and make him realize just how fragile life could be (something Apollo never thought of as a god) and to conveniently kill of a character whom a lot of people in the fandom hated. I am sad that Rick decided to remove Jason completely and I do agree with what you said about Jason's bond with Nico :))) it is so sweet to see the two of them bond in The House of Hades to The Blood of Olympus and I wish we could've gotten more of that instead of Jason's death. Overall, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I agree. I love Percy as a character but that doesn't discredit Jason as Jason is also a pretty good character on his own. ❤️
I LOVE JASON SO MUCH HES MY SOULMATE IDC IF HES HATED HES MY FAV CHARACTER AND ITS NICE TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE THAT LOVES JASON TOO BECAUSE ALL OF MY FRIENDS ABSOLUTELY HATE HIM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE VID I NOW UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF HIM AND I AGREE FULLY WITH YOU ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I love Jason and hot take (hate piper) i feel like the issues of Jiper are all pinned on Jason when first of all its all heras fault but he still seems to be blamed, when honesty out of the two piper forced it more, also you cannot compare Jason to other characters such as Percy and nico who are ultimately the strongest in the series so as much as i like Jason percy and nico are just more, also if you like the roman side of all of this Ive been rereading this awesome fanfic by combattombat well its more like 3 fics in a series with more to come but anyway its called “Impreator” it is legit a 10/10 read
Hii, there! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and nice to see another fan who doesn't hate Jason :))) I have to agree with you that Hera is the one at fault here for Jason and Piper's relationship because of her 'plan' for the prophecy of seven and I guess both Jason and Piper felt obligated to try making their romance a reality because of the fake memories. Ultimately though, they didn't work out and I honestly wished they could've remained as friends before they forced a romantic relationship. Alsoo yes, comparing Jason and Percy is such an unfair thing to do because Percy had more development and history in PJO but Jason doesn't have that. Lastly, thanks for sharing that recommendation on the Roman fanfic!
Hii, there! That is a good point :))) a lot of readers were attached to Percy so seeing that Percy wasn't in The Lost Hero, they weren't able to connect with Jason as much
Hi, there! :))) Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree! As I mentioned in my video, we didn't really take Jason seriously until his death in The Burning Maze . It's a shame because we could've bonded with Jason more in the previous books. Instead, we just got his death and that prompted us to understand him.
I haven't even touched this series because of the spoilers. Hearing how Jason was written off and then Piper was paired with another female character just left such a poor taste in my mouth, after coming off of the PEAK series which was The Heroes of Olympus. THOE will always hold a super special place in my heart as one of my favorite book series' so with Trials of Apollo doing my boy, and their relationship dirty like that, for what I feel is an attempt at forcing diversity, It just keeps me from wanting to even pick up Trials of Apollo, or anything else Percy Jackson related until the end of time. I wouldn't mind being convinced otherwise, just because I want to have hope for this book series. Maximum Ride, Wings of Fire, and Percy Jackson, all solid young adult books ruined by a series of unfortunate decisions. To me, as of now, anything past Blood of Olympus isn't canon to me 😂😂
Hii, there! Thanks for sharing your thoughts :))) I understand what you mean by your disappointment with Jason getting written off while Piper got paired up randomly after his death. I felt the same way when I read The Trials of Apollo because I think Rick could've handled their relationship in a much better way but we somehow got this instead. Though it is upsetting- I would still recommend The Trials of Apollo if you want to understand Apollo more because the series makes up for that. Apollo's character development in the five books is monumental and it made reading the series worth it to me- it was interesting to see how much he developed over the course of his trials so if you're interested in checking that out, I'd recommend reading the series- it has some cameos from The Heroes of Olympus and PJO and pretty heartfelt scenes too!
ohh damn i've never heard anybody say that, but it's cool hearing somebody finally likes jason cuz ngl he was just missing a bit of backstory but he's still an awesome character overall :)
He was the easiest to kill off I stand by the sentiment and I expected it he was not a fan favorite unlike nico and Leo when first introduced and felt like he was riding on Percy rival wave his confrontation with Percy lack excitement compare to Percy vs Thalia in the first series plus in the last Olympian Thalia was just cool and had a better design Jason came across as all American Boy Scout and Rick did a lot of tell not show with Jason I’m supposed to believe he cool based only on vibes no actual action
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I agree. Jason wasn't as interesting as the rest of the characters and as you mentioned, it is because Rick didn't develop him so much and instead, Rick did more "tell" instead of "show" which made us not connect with Jason's character.
I am fully aware that Jason is the equivalent of white bread. But I mean so is Zeus/Jupiter so you can’t really fault him for that. Leave my white bread alone!! 😂
Hii, there- that is a common thing readers disliked about Jason- I really wish that Rick was able to develop him a little more so that we could understand Jason more
I love these videos. I always loved Jason, but yeah he is hated. This channel is underrated. (ps please pin me I love the videos)
Thanks for appreciating my video! ❤️ And glad to see another person in the fandom who doesn't hate Jason.
@@YceSy Thanks for pinning!
4:44 THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING!!
yes, jason's past was finally mentioned in the blood of olympus but it was kinda just brushed over in 15 pages, while the other characters were constantly thrown into flashbacks throughout all the heroes of olympus books. in this way, his character is definitely underdeveloped compared to the others, so there he loses much interesting characteristic. he can be a great character otherwise, which is why i think he deserves some sort of prequel book featuring reyna, it would really help us understand his backstory and actually feel something toward it. that's my opinion on it :)
Dangg a Jason prequel book sounds great! Thanks for suggesting it! Alsoo yeahh as I mentioned in the video, it's true. Jason's backstory is pretty much thrown under the bus as there's not that much we can get from him until the last book which is almost too late to connect with him.
I like Jason, but comparing him to Percy in a sense is unfair, because we got five individual books of Percy's character development.
And well Percy in my opinion has a better personality and is more appealing to read.
Percy is my personal favourite, but Jason is still a well written character.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Yess, I agree. Comparing Percy to Jason is pretty harsh on Jason’s part because Jason didn’t have five books to grow and establish himself as a character whereas Percy had that through the PJO books. Alsoo I do agree that Percy has a better personality but I’m glad to see there’s another fan who doesn’t hate Jason! ❤️
I agree with this 1000%. I Also think the point is there wasn’t much to Jason besides what you see until he was given a new perspective from the amnesia. Not saying he was completely bland but being a dedicated soldier was his life and kind of his personality until Hera pulled the switch with him and Percy. It opened his eyes to a new world and he was trying to figure it and himself out. The one thing he stayed true to until the end were his morals. I thought he was a great character tbh.
Jason didn't deserve the hate from the fandom. He's my favorite character, even over Nico, Percy, Annabeth, and many others. Spoiler warning from Trials of Apollo Book 3: Jason's death really shocked me and was the first death that I cried over. Reading the Lost Hero, I loved reading Jason's POV chapters since I loved that his life was such a huge mystery when he lost his memories. Percy's loss of memories was less interesting since I had already read all about Percy for 5 books. Like I said, Jason didn't deserve the amount of hate that he got.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I love how you got more interested instead of annoyed of Jason's amnesia plotline because that's a different perspective i haven't really heard of. Alsoo nice to see another person who likes Jason as a character! ❤️
REALL he’s my son
YES HIS DEATH SHOCKED ME TOO ITS BEEN 3 MONTHS SINCE IVE READ THE BOOK AND I STILL CRY OVER HIM EVERY NIGHT
@@ArianaAccurso glad I'm not the only one 😭
Jason is so hideously underdeveloped, its so unfair to compare him to others, especially Percy. Rick did him SO dirty
I agree. Jason was a character who had so much potential and he could've been developed more to prove himself as a compelling character. I wish Rick could've done that more to stop the comparisons made to Percy and the rest of the characters.
I really enjoyed Jason as a character from the moment I read his first chapter. I haven't grown up with the Percy Jackson books and started reading them about 2 years ago. Right after I finished The Last Olympian, I bought The Lost Hero on Audible and Jason was my favorite character in that book because of the fact that he was clearly not a son of Zeus, but rather Jupiter, and his amnesia aspect made me want to find out everything I could about him. I was disapointed to find out his backstory so late, but he still deserves way more credit.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Nice to see another fan who doesn’t hate Jason :))) Alsoo I love how you liked the amnesia issue Jason had because many fans didn’t like that when reading the book. It’s nice to see another perspective! ❤️
I think my reason was in the lost hero I was just like “where’s Percy? Percy gonna be found any time now……is that Percy!?! No….. No Percy = bad book” keep in mind I was a child then, but I’m sure it has some effect on me
Yess! That’s what I felt too when reading The Lost Hero. Percy’s absence was shocking and it made me question who the heck was Jason and why is he in this book
He didn’t deserve the hate! I loved him when I saw he was hated I was honestly surprised.
Toa book three spoiler:
I read a lot, I had been close to tears before when reading but reading Jason’s death was the first time I properly cried and I still cry over him.
Idc what anyone says I loved him.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and glad to see another fan who doesn't hate Jason! :))))
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And I relate! Jason's death was so heartbreaking to read about in The Burning Maze 😭
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I started reading the heroes of olympus series in my school library like 3 months ago so I don't have the same connection with percy or the others and I instantly liked jason
He is tied to my favorite character with leo
I have never read the pjo series and im in the house of hades now
Idk why people hate him but he is one of my favorite characters
Edit: I think the main reason people don't like him is because he wasn't percy and that they were expecting percy in the lost hero
Hiii, there! Nice to see another fan who doesn't hate Jason. :)))) And yesss I get you. Though I read PJO before the Heroes of Olympus which gave me more moments with Percy and Annabeth, it's unfair to just judge Jason just because he didn't get that much buildup as a character compared to Percy. I like Jason as a character and its nice to hear your thoughts! ❤️
@@YceSy His death is going to make me cry 😭
I'm in the same situation too guy heroes of Olympus before pjo but still Jason is my favorite even though the build up wasn't enough
I feel like people only hate on him to make characters like Leo, Percy, Nico etc. look good which is so stupid 😭
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I agree. The comparison of Jason to other characters is really intense and Jason just looks really bad in the process.
i think i like jason bc i have built years fanfics to the point where he basically a different person in my mind
Dangg lol at least you enjoyed his character through the fanfics
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yess i agree!!
I honestly liked him not one of my favorite characters but he was a good guy I hated his death while Necessary that didn't make it less tragic
Hii, there! Thanks for sharing your thoughts :))) and I agree. Though Jason isn't always my most favorite character in all of the Riordanverse, he didn't deserve all that hate he got from the fandom. Plus I get you on his death- it was an eye-opening moment of Jason's significance but it still hurt to read.
@YceSy not to mention the effect it had on Apollo the tyrants tomb is my favorite book
Yess I love Jason's impact on Apollo and glad to see someone who loves The Tyrant's Tomb too :))) It's also one of my favorites
@YceSy i honestly love camp Jupiter and Reyna whose your godly parent
Same here! :))) my godly parent is Poseidon. How about you?
I’ve seen people say that Jason is a knock off Percy, which to me, i think its the other way around. Percy very quickly got Jasons spot as Praetor and it seemed like CJ almost forgot about Jason and just needed someone to fill in his shoes. While at CHB, (correct me if im wrong) but they didnt really trust Jason and were wary of him.
Hii, there- that is a good observation :)))) and yess you are right. Although Camp Jupiter was wary around Percy in the first chapters of The Son of Neptune, they were desperate to get a leader for their camp because of Jason's disappearance. They looked to Percy as a leader who could help them while Camp Half Blood didn't need one. This made them more unwilling to trust Jason until Jason proved himself in his quest to save Hera in The Lost Hero.
As someone who has always had Jason as my favorite character even since I was like 8 years old reading TLH when it first came out, it really is sad seeing how much missed potential he had. Both him and Piper had the potential to be some of the most interesting characters in the series, especially given the bits we see in TOA, but in the end they got so little attention that it really hurt their final characterization.
I hate to say it, but after recently rereading HOO I think the culprit is actually Percabeth. I remember seeing reactions to Jason and all the new characters when HOO first started and people were so mad. Even SoN got a ton of flack from pissed off percabeth shippers who were mad that they weren’t back together yet. I remember Rick got swarmed with hate mail over it and I think it may have caused him to change course with MoA and HoH and have the percabeth sections be way more prominent because, as much as I hate to say it, Percy and Annabeth’s journeys in those two really didn’t add much since their character arcs were already complete thanks to the original series so the huge chunk of story (especially in HoH) that was dedicated to them was mostly just shipping fuel, which wouldn’t be so bad if not for the fact that arguably every new character except for Hazel wasn’t given enough time or development.
Basically I think Jason was going to get that full fledged development we saw a bit of in BoO, but Rick walked back on it to make more room for Percy and Annabeth content that people were screaming for, and that’s probably why HoO as a whole felt so rushed despite having so much down time.
Good video by the way, it was so crazy seeing the fandom pretty much flip their opinion on Jason over night after The Burning Maze. I’m sure a lot of them were just people trying to ride the trends, but I do think for a lot of people his death was just the wake up call they needed to remind them that he’s not Percy and that he should’ve been analyzed on his own merits.
Hii, there! That's a lot of thoughts and thanks for sharing them :))) I agree with you and the emphasis on Percy and Annabeth's relationship in HOO is something I didn't notice until you pointed it out- I did know that a lot of people wanted to see Percy and Annabeth again because of PJO but I had no idea that Rick might've been pressured to do that hence why there's still a lot of emphasis of them in The Mark of Athena to The Blood of Olympus. As a massive Percabeth shipper, I loved a lot of moments from those books but I kinda feel bad now realizing just how much pressure Rick must've been in by the fandom for more content- that also probably explains why Rick struggled to balance Percabeth and the Jason backstory in The Blood of Olympus which is a shame because I would've wanted to get to know Jason more in a less forced way.
I also understand you on the fandom flipping their opinion after The Burning Maze because that was kind of me too lol- in my first read of HOO, I appreciated Jason's character but he wasn't really my most favorite perspective to read about because I found the other characters more interesting so reading his death felt like getting randomly punched in the gut because of how shocking and devastating it was. We see Jason sacrifice himself like the hero he was and it made me truly see his value from there. Thanks for liking my video!
@YceSy Yeah sorry for the wall lol, it was one of those nights where I was feeling nostalgic about this series and fell down the Jason rabbit hole.
And hey no need to feel bad about the percabeth thing, I’m a huge percabeth fan too (as is everyone who read it lol) and I loved all those moments at the time. But yeah just looking back they really didn’t affect the story much and I have no doubt it’s why the rest of the cast got undercooked.
Jason is my favorite character when he died I actually had to stop reading Trials of Apollo for a few days I sobbed he was my favorite
Hii, there! Thanks for sharing your thoughts :))) Same here- Jason's death was devastating to read about. 😭
I read Jason's death yesterday, and I'm doing the same thing you did, I'm taking a break from trials of apollo. I still can't get over his death 😭
Me, an intellectual: *casually pushing jason and percy together* bromance.... now kiss /hj
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TLH: Jason has amnesia, so we learn nothing about his, and he is constantly compared to Percy, who is the fan favorite.(Percy and Jason aren't even that similar, he maps more closely to Annabeth)
SoN: He isn't in the book. We hear secondhand about some of his achievements, but Percy ties his greatest accomplishment by becoming Praetor in a week, making Jason seem less impressive.
MoA: Jason doesn't have any POV chapters, so he is sidelined. The first section is the first and only time we see him in New Rome and its an Annabeth chapter in which he acts like an idiot. He is too powerful, so he is knocked out at the start of every fight so the POV person can solve the problem. His entire storyline his relegated to his boring failed romance with Piper and his with rivalry Percy, which just made people hate him more because fans liked Percy better.
HoH: Jason only has two sections to shine, and one of them is primarily devoted to Nico, so his arc of preferring Greek to Roman is rushed, especially since we never get any scenes past of present of him in New Rome from his POV.
BoO: He finally gets some focus and cool moments, and has a clear character motivation of helping the minor gods, probably in because the author realized he needed to make people like him.
TBM: He is only in a few chapters and then he dies.
TLDR: Jason had potential with an interesting past shrouded in mystery, but he was unfairly pitted against a fan favorite character for no good reason and the actual details of his past were not explored. He could have recovered, but he was sidelined for the next three books and ended up seeming like a useless idiot. Once he did get the spotlight again fans had already made up their minds about him, only appreciating him after he had been killed off.
Wow- this is a pretty detailed take on Jason's character. You refreshed me on what happened in the books regarding Jason's character and its true. Jason didn't have as much buildup and like you said, he was pushed back into the sidelines and placed against a fan favorite character like Percy Jackson himself. It's honestly a poor decision to make for his character as you have to make readers like your new character but the amnesia plot line, Jason's back story being thrown under the bus until The Blood of Olympus, the constant gag of him getting knocked out in the fight after being told he's a fearsome fighter, and the ongoing trend of characters just telling us about Jason instead of showing us what's happening. These things triggered fans to not like him and I guess Rick tried to redeem Jason by giving a bit more of Jason in The Blood of Olympus but by then, it's too late to connect with Jason because the next appearance he even gets is in The Burning Maze when he's killed off. With all of this, his character could've had more potential had Rick gave more time to develop Jason in the books.
Oh thank god for this video jason grace was such a biggest missed opportunity
Thanks for appreciating my video! Yess I think Jason was such a missed opportunity. He could've been such a good and compelling character! ❤️
Jason is like my favorite character in all of media like genuinely he is my entire personality
Hii, there! Thanks for sharing- personally, I do love Jason's character too!
I have no ideal what any of this is and even I want to know why he's so hated!
Jason is the lost hero too
Jason Grace is so underrated
jason's death is the absolute saddest
most people in the fandom say he's a bland character and boring and all but think abt it
if our beloved percy were raised up the way jason was, he would be similar
*he had a maniacic ( not sure if that word exists but whatever ) mother and his sister Thalia, was the only person who loved him
* at 2 years old he was sent to train with wolves, who would not accept any weakness from him and then sent to camp jupiter at freaking TWO YEARS OLD!!!!!
* then being a son of jupiter he had to be " perfect" the pressure was immense
even though he joined the worst cohort, did the least glamourous quests, befriended the "weird" kids he was made praetor anyway, just cause he's a son of jupiter
* he always had to be what other people thought of him, he never had a real family, let alone close friends, the closest for a friend he had was reyna and he lost his family
he never got to experience being a normal person cause of the pressure
percy had sally, he had grover, he got to experience normal life and find himself
jason never got that
he was pressured enough by being a son of zeus
and then to top it off he had no friends of family for support
and he could not be himself because he is a son of jupiter and that carries a lot of reputation
people in the fandom think he's too perfect
HE"S A NORMAL PERSON JUST LIKE US!!! he seem's perfect because thats how he has to present himself as a son of jupiter!!!!!!!
they also call him bland, boring and dull
THATS CAUSE HE NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO BE HIMSELF!!!!!!!
and in the heroes of olympus when he goes to camphalfblood, that was the closest thing he ever got to finding himself
he felt at home there
he finally met his sister
he wasnt pressured to be the leader anymore
he could finally sit back, relax and find himself
then in trials of apollo he and piper break up
he goes to school and tries to live like a normal boy
until apollo comes to him for help
and jason, knowing that he will die, helps apollo for the greater good
and did i mention that he wanted to honour every single one of those millions of idiotic gods so as to stop a war
yes THAT IS HOW PURE A SOUL HE WAS
AND HIS DEATH, DONT GET ME STARTED ON THAT
HE GOT A PROPHECY SAYING THAT EITHER PIPER OR HE WILL DIE
REAL DEATH, not like leo or hazel
then he knowingly sacrifices himself so that piper doesnt die, so that her father does not lose his daughter
" I'm Jason Grace. Former praetor of the Twelth Legion. Son of Jupiter. Child of Rome. But I belong to both camps. "
" I watched again as Caligula plucked out his spear, then drove it again into Jason's back, removing any last hope that our friend might be alive. "
- the burning maze, ToA
and then he freakin dies
without being able to find himself, live a normal life or anything
He was remembered for being a hero after his death, but not the person he was!!!!
im sorry uncle rick, u have written some really good stories, but u failed totally with Jason Grace. HE HAD SOOOOOO MUCH MORE POTENTIAL
u could have at least given him a character before u killed him off
just as he was getting interesting to jason-haters ( i'm not one, im a loyal lover from the lost hero ) u killed him off
how could u
You will Forever be in our hearts
Some legends are told
some turn to dust or to gold
but u will remember me
Remember me
For centuries
- In memory
of our saving GRACE
we miss u
JASON GRACE TRIBUTE
( u deseved soo much more )
p.s. i wish there was a better relashionship between jason and percy
Thank you if you read the whole thing
Wow- that's a lot of thoughts and it really refreshed my memory on everything Jason went through! Thanks for sharing :))) and I do get your point. Jason is arguably a tragic character with how messed up his childhood was added with the challenges of his teen years where he literally fought in wars and then he didn't even reach adulthood and died. Jason is hated on for being bland and boring to read about and you're right again- it's because deep down, he genuinely has no idea about who he is. He never had a chance to actually breathe and be himself because of the constant pressure and danger his life always had and it is heartbreaking to think that Jason never truly found himself even in death. Although he claims to be in peace with his fate, it begs the question of what could've been if Jason had lived instead. Once again, thanks for sharing your thoughts! :))))
he didnt have to be killed off man thats just messed up
Truee! Jason's death was heartbreaking.
I think Rick wants to give Jason a second chance to earn a better ending than in the Golden Fleece, bless him.
Hii, there! That's a nice detail- a lot of heroes in Greek Mythology have such tragic deaths and Jason (from the Argonauts and basically Jason Grace's namesake) was part of that. I think you're right that it's poetic of Rick to give Jason a much peaceful ending than the one that happened to Jason in the myth as our Jason chose his fate to die and made peace with it- that's something I didn't really notice :)))) Thank you!
The lost hero was actually my favorite because it's the only book that centers Jason 🤣
Hiii, there! :)))) Wow- that's a comment I've never really heard. Most people dislike The Lost Hero but it's nice to see a fan of the book!
I also don''t hate Jason,I thought it was cool to see the world from another character's eyes. I really like his character, even though he could have had more development.
Hii :))) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and it's nice to see someone who also doesn't hate Jason
If anything, Trials of Apollo was the PERFECT time to expand on Jason's character. Rick obviously messed up by not giving us enough backstory about him in the heroes of olympus, but thats always salvageable. Instead Rick seemed to give in to the fan-hate (most of whom are middle schoolers who are just too young to read too deeply into more serial characters) and ended up removing Jason completely. I think i loved him since Mark of Athena, around that time i was starting to get tired of Percy and thought Jason's gap of buff blonde warrior on the outside and clueless on the inside was funny. His handling of Nico's coming out was also one of my most cherished scenes in the entire series, i literally can't think of any other character who could have comforted nico better in that situation. He was also a 'big brother' protector character despite being a little brother himself. Giving him glasses was a great touch, he was literally blonde clark kent and it was endearing.
Sorry for the rant I'm just mad no one seemed to like Jason or realise his worth until he died and now we cant even have him back.
Hii, there! You made some great points about Jason's character and I agree with what you said about how Rick seemed to have given in with the Jason hate and just decided to kill Jason off. I think that decision was a bit double sided in the sense that it was supposed to emotionally impact Apollo and make him realize just how fragile life could be (something Apollo never thought of as a god) and to conveniently kill of a character whom a lot of people in the fandom hated. I am sad that Rick decided to remove Jason completely and I do agree with what you said about Jason's bond with Nico :))) it is so sweet to see the two of them bond in The House of Hades to The Blood of Olympus and I wish we could've gotten more of that instead of Jason's death. Overall, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Jason is honestly my favorite PJO character
He's one of my favorites too :)))
Jason is one of my Favorite characters
bruh i didnt even know he was so hated. he's in my top 3😭
Hii :))) Thanks for dropping by my channel! True Jason is so overhated but it's nice to see someone who doesn't hate him
I love percy, but i like jason more
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I agree. I love Percy as a character but that doesn't discredit Jason as Jason is also a pretty good character on his own. ❤️
I LOVE JASON SO MUCH HES MY SOULMATE IDC IF HES HATED HES MY FAV CHARACTER AND ITS NICE TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE THAT LOVES JASON TOO BECAUSE ALL OF MY FRIENDS ABSOLUTELY HATE HIM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE VID I NOW UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF HIM AND I AGREE FULLY WITH YOU ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
HII that's great to hear! I love seeing other Jason fans and thanks for appreciating my video :DDD
I love Jason and hot take (hate piper) i feel like the issues of Jiper are all pinned on Jason when first of all its all heras fault but he still seems to be blamed, when honesty out of the two piper forced it more, also you cannot compare Jason to other characters such as Percy and nico who are ultimately the strongest in the series so as much as i like Jason percy and nico are just more, also if you like the roman side of all of this Ive been rereading this awesome fanfic by combattombat well its more like 3 fics in a series with more to come but anyway its called “Impreator” it is legit a 10/10 read
Hii, there! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and nice to see another fan who doesn't hate Jason :))) I have to agree with you that Hera is the one at fault here for Jason and Piper's relationship because of her 'plan' for the prophecy of seven and I guess both Jason and Piper felt obligated to try making their romance a reality because of the fake memories. Ultimately though, they didn't work out and I honestly wished they could've remained as friends before they forced a romantic relationship. Alsoo yes, comparing Jason and Percy is such an unfair thing to do because Percy had more development and history in PJO but Jason doesn't have that. Lastly, thanks for sharing that recommendation on the Roman fanfic!
It's because we met percy 1st that's the only reason
Hii, there! That is a good point :))) a lot of readers were attached to Percy so seeing that Percy wasn't in The Lost Hero, they weren't able to connect with Jason as much
I mean can see why we took Jason grace for granted and didn’t understand him till he died but I don’t hate Jason but i why people hate him
Hi, there! :))) Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree! As I mentioned in my video, we didn't really take Jason seriously until his death in The Burning Maze . It's a shame because we could've bonded with Jason more in the previous books. Instead, we just got his death and that prompted us to understand him.
@@YceSy yes and we we’re used to Percy so it’s was like really now out of the times to introduce a new character
I haven't even touched this series because of the spoilers. Hearing how Jason was written off and then Piper was paired with another female character just left such a poor taste in my mouth, after coming off of the PEAK series which was The Heroes of Olympus. THOE will always hold a super special place in my heart as one of my favorite book series'
so with Trials of Apollo doing my boy, and their relationship dirty like that, for what I feel is an attempt at forcing diversity, It just keeps me from wanting to even pick up Trials of Apollo, or anything else Percy Jackson related until the end of time.
I wouldn't mind being convinced otherwise, just because I want to have hope for this book series.
Maximum Ride, Wings of Fire, and Percy Jackson, all solid young adult books ruined by a series of unfortunate decisions.
To me, as of now, anything past Blood of Olympus isn't canon to me 😂😂
Hii, there! Thanks for sharing your thoughts :))) I understand what you mean by your disappointment with Jason getting written off while Piper got paired up randomly after his death. I felt the same way when I read The Trials of Apollo because I think Rick could've handled their relationship in a much better way but we somehow got this instead. Though it is upsetting- I would still recommend The Trials of Apollo if you want to understand Apollo more because the series makes up for that. Apollo's character development in the five books is monumental and it made reading the series worth it to me- it was interesting to see how much he developed over the course of his trials so if you're interested in checking that out, I'd recommend reading the series- it has some cameos from The Heroes of Olympus and PJO and pretty heartfelt scenes too!
i think he's kinda basic and boring however he's my go to character for fanfic
Controversial opinion - personal I like Jason more than Percy 😂
Dangg thanks for sharing your thoughts! I've never really heard someone say that.
Me too hahaha
ohh damn i've never heard anybody say that, but it's cool hearing somebody finally likes jason cuz ngl he was just missing a bit of backstory but he's still an awesome character overall :)
SAME
Me too heehe, jason 4lyfe
He was the easiest to kill off I stand by the sentiment and I expected it he was not a fan favorite unlike nico and Leo when first introduced and felt like he was riding on Percy rival wave his confrontation with Percy lack excitement compare to Percy vs Thalia in the first series plus in the last Olympian Thalia was just cool and had a better design Jason came across as all American Boy Scout and Rick did a lot of tell not show with Jason I’m supposed to believe he cool based only on vibes no actual action
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I agree. Jason wasn't as interesting as the rest of the characters and as you mentioned, it is because Rick didn't develop him so much and instead, Rick did more "tell" instead of "show" which made us not connect with Jason's character.
I am fully aware that Jason is the equivalent of white bread. But I mean so is Zeus/Jupiter so you can’t really fault him for that. Leave my white bread alone!! 😂
HAHAHA comparing Jason to white bread is hilarious but I see what you mean lol
I think that something I don’t like is that he has no personality
Hii, there- that is a common thing readers disliked about Jason- I really wish that Rick was able to develop him a little more so that we could understand Jason more
@ I 100% agree. Also can you do more of these videos because I love your channel and your super underated
Aww thanks for appreciating my channel :))) and sure I love doing these videos
I like jason nico friends
Same here! I love their friendship :))))
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