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The video "What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger" by the Academy of Ideas offers a profound exploration of how adversity can be a catalyst for personal growth. The insights shared resonate deeply with the timeless wisdom of philosophers and psychologists who have long recognized the transformative power of suffering. Joseph Campbell's reflection on the warrior's approach to life is a powerful reminder that embracing life's challenges is essential for personal development. By saying "yes" to life, even in the face of pain and adversity, we unlock deeper powers within ourselves. This perspective aligns with Nietzsche's famous dictum, "What doesn’t kill me makes me stronger," highlighting the potential for growth that lies within our struggles. The video emphasizes that trauma, while often seen as purely destructive, can also lead to significant personal growth. Psychologists like Stephen Joseph and the pioneers of the concept of posttraumatic growth, Richard G. Tedeschi and Lawrence G. Calhoun, have shown that individuals can emerge from traumatic experiences with increased personal strength, a greater appreciation of life, and richer relationships. This idea challenges the traditional view that trauma only leads to negative outcomes and underscores the resilience of the human spirit. Viktor Frankl's story is a testament to the power of finding meaning in suffering. His experiences in concentration camps and his subsequent contributions to psychology illustrate how one can transform immense suffering into a source of strength and purpose. Similarly, Terry Waite's ability to turn his harrowing ordeal into a positive force demonstrates the universal potential for growth through adversity. The Stoic philosophers provide valuable guidance on preparing for and enduring adversity. By contemplating potential misfortunes and accepting the uncertainty of life, we can build resilience and reduce the impact of unexpected hardships. Seneca's advice to anticipate future evils and Schopenhauer's suggestion to imagine terrible misfortunes as if they had already happened are practical strategies for cultivating a strong mindset. Nietzsche's concept of standing in a Dionysian relationship to existence further enriches this discussion. Embracing the inevitability of pain and destruction as precursors to self-transformation allows us to find strength in our darkest moments. This perspective encourages us to see adversity not as a curse but as an opportunity for rebirth and growth. In a world where a victim mentality often prevails, the message of this video is both timely and empowering. By adopting a heroic attitude towards life's challenges, we can rise above our circumstances and use adversity as a stepping stone to greater health and fulfillment. As Nietzsche and Campbell suggest, loving our fate and viewing disasters as opportunities for improvement can lead to a richer, more meaningful life. In conclusion, "What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger" is a compelling reminder of the resilience inherent in the human spirit. By embracing adversity and viewing it as a catalyst for growth, we can transform our lives and emerge stronger, wiser, and more compassionate. This video is a valuable resource for anyone seeking to navigate the challenges of life with courage and grace.
left a comment on your substack about child mortality. evolutionary biology plays strongly into cultural evolution regarding social-collective-individual feedback loops. women as a whole all dealt with much more trauma related to child mortality on many many levels. life has gotten very good for ALL of us by bringing down child mortality. this is one of the great miracles. but it has major psychological blowback costs and alterations. we are using technology to better ourselves, but it messes a psychological balance of things up quite a bit. in good and bad ways, and some simply not easily understood until after the fact. we solve one problem or a few sequentially, and other results , other than desire pop up , and we must learn to engage with them later. complexity ratches on a social-psychology scale.
Gross! I'm not amazed nor have I've grown from my trauma. But I have helped as much I could ease the suffering of others. Despite myself and for appreciation of my Mother. That rage, powerless, hopelessness and injustice will never be resolved. This life is a wash. Let there be nothing after this one.
@@cookieanddabutt2843 it saddens me that you are suffering so much. It is good to find comfort in helping others. I pray you will find meaning and purpose in your life that will help put your trauma in perspective. And I hope you can experience being truly loved.
@@cookieanddabutt2843 time for you to realize your true self, your real self. My traumas, while little now time has passed, the traumas, have come back to keep me company. Certain times, surgical procedures, are shared - not that, these extra experiences are asked for, however, sharing the discomfort, often helps the person going thru the procedure., and helping near neighbours heal themselves - if they chose to - that, I will not force. Let them harm themselves, even if it means they kill themselves.
"It is what it is." The sooner people realize this the easier it is to recover. In the end, the only thing we really have control over is our attitudes and actions.
Yes! I say this to people all teh time when they are complaining about things they can't change or complaining about events that have already happened, and they need to focus on moving forward, focus on the task at hand to address what already happened and cannot be changed.
I recently met someone who says that all the time and it is helpful. He used it as an excuse to not go to the doctor for years and progressed further into congestive heasrt failure than he would have by acting on the reality of his situation sooner. No easy recipe for things, acceptance is nice, but so is taking well-timed action. That serenity prayer people from AA use is quite nice for summing up that tricky ongoing balance. I personally need more "it is what it is", more fortitude and acceptance, but everything is a balance. Too much acceptance can be a problem, same as too little, it's situational, personal.
I have been through near death, abuse rejection and abandonment, loss of loved ones etc., I am now becoming stronger and see the soundness working in my life.
When I was 7 years old, my father committed suicide due to drug addiction, after that I was living with my drug addictive mother, hiding syringes so my little sister wouldn't see them, and so much other shit. I was hating my life so much for quite a long time, now I am saying that I am glad for the experience I had because I am who I am at the moment of my life, and I would not change that for anything. Thanks for your videos!
Although I'm sure you've already been told this, it bears repeating even from some stranger online. Read this in your best Robin Williams' voice possible: "It's not your fault." But in all seriousness, as someone whose own family was ravaged by the opioid epidemic across three generations (and still someone managed to experience a tamed-down version of your own recollections), hearing stories like yours doesn't elicit pity from me to you, but respect. We can sit here all day and talk about how those things shouldn't have ever happened--but they did; and the fact that you were able to turn them into a life you are proud of is immensely respectable.
@@cda6590Absolutely! Very respectable & courageous too. It’s a wonderful feeling to know I’m not the only person who’s “flipped the script” I’m thankful for the struggles & grateful for the difficulties this life has given me. It’s where I found strength, beauty, joy & love.
I compare the first 17 years of my life to a hard labor prison sentence. My older sister and I suffered brutal beatings, work 7 days a week and constant mental abuse. That said, it prepared me for the hardships of adulthood. I have an amazing wife now but I have learned to only rely upon myself.
Appreciate the channel. A day in January my life changed when i fell off a roof onto concrete shattering parts of my left foot (as that's all I stuck the landing on). Still worked 2 weeks at a labor intensive job on crutches. Ladders, moving appliances, and such with a non-weight bearing foot. Some called me a freak. After i got fileted and had a bunch of metal installed in me, I was grounded for 3 months. It was bad, but I still went to a gym and maintained my upper body. My injured leg became spaghetti being ordered to not put weight on it for 2 months. Given permission to walk, i collapsed. The muscles were gone. Tendons tight. The brain forgot how to walk now mastering crutches. Fast forward, I am now working full time, going as hard as I can training, and although my mobility and strength isnt what it was in my left leg i know holding the path I will get back to what I was and even be stronger. I was very depresses before my injury. It, ironically, gave me a purpose and a struggle to overcome. Never give up.
Thanks for posting this video! The world needs content like this now more than ever and it reminded me of an old saying "The warrior does not pray for an easy life but rather prays for the strength to endure a difficult one."
@@Semino1eC4 you may love your addictions, however addictions don't love us back. Yet it's none other than yourself blaming away your power and opportunities for healing onto addictions, thus you never owned your responsibility to heal.
@@JustinEdwards-tg7xv all these quote are good to listen but not everyone is practical and this one ? it goes both way suffering from paralysis kills you being alive also so decides your perspective
There are a lot of situations where that doesn't apply though. like abuse, especially physical and sexual abuse, no one "needs" or should accept that is happening to them because it's what they "need", a lot of people are conditioned to think that way.
If you want to create a different future and not remain a victim, you CHOOSE to say "this is what I need to make myself stronger". You don't choose WHAT happens to you, but in order to change your situation, you MUST look at it and accept it for what it is. Then do what you need to do. To not accept it, you can't change enough to gain power over it.
@@valeriefuchser780 I agree mostly but that kind of idealistic resolve is hard for some to muster, even adults, and I definitely wouldn't expect it from children or adolescents who make up the majority of people who experience that kind of trauma. accepting something has happened/is happening and deciding to do our best to change it is different than thinking it was deserved or "needed". The "this is what I need" mantra can be taken to the extreme where people think they deserved/deserve their abuse, I think it's important to acknowledge these quotes and mantras are pretty simplistic and only go so far, if they help some that's great.
I've made peace with hard knocks and enjoy my life. But my optimism towards a subjectively good future is rather low. At least to an extent that whether it's worth such colossal multi-generational struggle. So whilst I'm reasonably sure I can enjoy what I do until my passing day I don't see it responsible of myself to bring a child forth into this nuthouse.
@@HHalcyonthe best way to positively influence the future is to have, and raise, good children. I get it, it doesn't happen for everyone, especially in this day and age with economic problems and gender wars, but to surrender to this mindset is essentially akin to giving up. You've got to want it, but you also have to know you'll be ok if you don't get it. People have been having kids for ages under far worse circumstances than we find ourselves in. Just don't completely rule it out. Though I don't know you, the types of people who watch channels like this are likely the types who SHOULD be procreating.
@@reinedire7872 And the end result is that we're a minority. I'll give my best to leave a lasting positive change in my own trade but I'm not feeling comfortable myself with what's going on. So I have no credible avenue with which to justify to my probable kids as to why it's nice to live here. Common sense isn't so common and I fail on that front every now and then, too. Used to fail much more when younger. A slow learner.
I knew somehow when I was young this wasn't a world I wanted to bring children into. Fast forward 40 years and what I'm seeing is proving me right. The state and technology are taking away parents ability to properly raise their own children ,with constant brainwashing and violent video content for consumption. The powers that shouldn't be partnered with major corporations, are putting out good little worker drones,and major victims and revolutionaries from schools and colleges in order to maintain the status quo. This planet and it's inhabitants are being destroyed so the few can rule over the many. Soo,humans need to pull their heads out of their asses,get their shit together, and start righting all these wrongs we've been allowing to happen for thousands of years now,or we will go the way of the dinosaurs. I could be wrong,but I don't think I am. IMHO
@microfarming8583 no there's still a lot of neglected kids, abused kids, dysfunctional families, poverty, ect. even in the so called "western world" that stuff didn't go away, it's just now there's social media for young and old to complain about each other and everything else for everyone to see, it warps peoples perception of what people are really like and what's actually happening irl.
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Whatever doesn't kill you will probably give you incredibly unhealthy coping mechanisms.
Hmm. 🤔 It can cause unhealthy ways of coping with difficulties while navigating life. I can't disagree with that. There was this one time, after I suffered psychological abuse for 2yrs, that I didn't realize how deeply it had affected me until something triggered the pain again. I needed to work through it and heal myself. I became more resilient with thick skin. And Isolation from the world is not exactly a bad thing. Going off grid and into nature is a nice break. I'm also a sigma female. That may have something to do with it.
I'm currently in a hospital bed following an operation on radius bone after shrapnel wound. One of many I've received recently on SMO. I've read Frankl before and tend to follow stoic principles in life. It helps. Also, recently I've been facing almost certain death quite a few times. I don't think I'm going to worry about petty things in life as much anymore. So I testify to the truth of this video.
While belief in one self is crucial and a good trait to have, sometimes little bit of belief from other people can be a spark that ignites ones soul. Try to be that spark, and in turn, the flame that you ignite may fuel you too.
I agree with Nietzsche's dictum, but it doesn't make everyone stronger. Adversity strengthens some, not all. Some are destroyed by it. We tend not to hear about those.
I remember trying to get ready for hardships at the age of 13-16. I remember bracing myself for more fucked up stuff (which I expected to deal with later in life), but my nerves can't handle even minor problems sometimes. Which is strange, because I was much more resilient during childhood. Now I just crumble under any stress
If a venomous snake bites you, and you end up not just surviving but building resistence to the venom, that's great. If you get hit by a car, and spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, you most definitely did not get stronger. Point being, not all trauma and its impact is the same, the variability is significant. And there's more to consider. This is definitely both a fascinating and difficult topic to think about. Much of the ideas are 'beautiful to imagine and think about'. And it is absolutely true that people should always 'put up a fight' in face of adversity. Struggle indeed usually is needed for significant growth. But as always, too much of anything is bad or even very bad. Personally I am one of those who believe that indeed not many people can deal with great trauma and honestly emerge out of it stronger and happier. In fact, I would not be surprised if some people, when asked about their 'great past pain', say that they 'prevailed, endured, grown, turned their life around etc.' largely bacause they could not, understandably, bear the idea of 'suffering for nothing'. In my mind, each person has let's call it a 'core personal dignity' and a 'balance of suffering and enjoyment' in life. If any of those two are sufficiently damaged by trauma or negative events, it weakens or even breaks you to the point that you know you lost something you truly needed and can never get it back. And you know this by asking yourself the question of whether you'd want to live such life again. Even many such damaged/hurt people still fight, sometimes every day, to hold on, help others, not upset family&friends, to focus on the little things that bring them some calm, meaning or enjoyment. But they know that the scars they bear are too deep and their impact too severe, for them to ever truly feel positive about life again. And then, in the worst scenarios.. there's so many suicides these days... despite unprecedented access to help, philosophy, old wisdom etc. Probably anyone who's been through depression knows what it does to one's 'sense of reality' and what havoc it can wreak on our self confidence and will to live. It's not realistic to expect that everyone can be strong, overcome severe trauma, let alone become some pinnacle of what philosophers described in their visions. The specific circumstances of every one of us, our personal psychological profile and the resulting capacity for resilience are very unique.
POst traumatic growth is also a keyword here for psychological trauma. We dont know the criteria for it to happen. ANd btw while we have unprecedented access to help an dphilosophy and wisdom, we have also an unprecedented loss of connection and social cohesion. Both is needed to heal. Getting therapy even like 4 hours a week is not enough to support a life. You need to establish social life for a meaningfull life (at least for most humans)
You don't really understand. Not a criticism. Most people don't. Most people think too shallow and unfortunately psychiatry has stopped trying to help and instead validate and prescribe evil drugs that make things worse.
5 yrs ago I was t-boned in my driver's side at 200 kmph by à gang guy evading police. Firefighters can't work out how I lived, no one has ever survived this type of accident in their experience. I won't bore you with the injuries, but it's life long rehab.
I'm sorry to hear that. You are tough and it really impresses me. Almost a year ago I injured my knees so that I have to recover for a year from now, it's not the same but I understand a tiny percent of your pain and it's absolutely terrible. I wish you fully recover and live happily
This video helped me so much as I was awake at 3 am struggling with an issue between me and my son. It has been so painful to deal with, but I am now saying to myself, "THIS is what I need".
We can either get better or become bitter. Don’t let trauma define you. Don’t use it as a scapegoat. Let it serve as the catalyst to mold you into a greater and more actualized human.
Hypertension almost killed me and it certainly has made me weaker lmao. My mindset is not the same, I also lost weight, I can’t do the things I used to do AND I feel very vulnerable.
I've spent the last four years undergoing treatment for a type of blood cancer that roughly 2 in a million people get diagnosed with. It's basically cancer and motor neuro in nature plus a slew of other things all wrapped into one disease. I wouldn't be the person I am now without having gone through this character x-ray. It's the best thing that ever happened to me. I'm that much stronger because of it. Im strangely proud of it. No one else I know can trade in this currency.
What really is the point of existence itself if you were born into this world so badly flawed to the point that, not matter how hard you try to live a good life, you are doomed to fuck up so bad and suffer the consequences, and thus be forced to learn lessons the hard way from all the bad choices and failures to improve yourself into a better person, or else you fail so miserably that you end up suffering forever as a cautionary tale that others have to learn from? If I ever found out that I was made this way, I’d feel so betrayed and cheated, that I’d resent my creator and rebel against them for making this happen and denying me the right to the successful life I wanted. Everyone who exists has the right to be able to be decent, responsible, and capable of developing without excessive hardship, as well as to be created this way.
The best partner I’ve ever had breaking up with me nearly took me out - made me think about my entire life and wishing I lived xyz thing differently in order because in my mind it might have brought forth a more secure attachment pattern, perhaps less unhelpful anxiety, a more robust social life… however, now almost a year later since the break up - I feel as though she helped me realize my weaknesses better and overall helped me grow psychologically to a more mature adult. So in the end, I choose the the best I can that this awful pain of grief and loss that I experience / still on and off feel - was the most potent catalyst for a more fulfilling life, optimistic perspective. I’ve also seen people that look like trauma took them out of the game for a long time and they didn’t engage back with life overall driving themselves deeper into the hole through shrinking for to long and numbing out to life with vices.
I agree with some and others. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger at some parts and weaker at other parts. Period. Some you gain, some you lose. Everything comes with a price. And yes, it also depends on who you are, your mental and physical capacities too.
I can relate to this after i broke my ankle pretty bad 6 months ago. Wouldn’t want to ever go through it again but I’m grateful of the positive changes it’s had in my life overall since.
No one should ever have to be abused in order to develop and grow up. Imagine what life would be like for a being that needs to suffer abuse and trauma and other horrible, fucked up shit as a basic necessity for its own development and improvement of character. It would surely be a miserable, broken life rife with senseless suffering for its own sake, and a life not worth ever living. If I were ever created this way, I would rather not grow up at all and waste all of the potential development I could have had from getting abused and tortured, and question why I was even made like this.
Be an advocate of physical pain, it lightens the weight of trauma. I started being physically active in 2004, and never looked back. When my divorce happened in 2022, it took a mere few weeks to a month to feel normal again. After my divorce I added cold plunging daily for five minutes in 40° water and regret not starting it years sooner. Challenge yourself, embrace discomfort - it opens a world of enduring events that would make others recoil and fold.
The task of the one who has experienced a great trauma is to overcome that trauma. The task of overcoming such a trauma is realized day by day, throughout the course of your life. We don't wake up one day finding that we have become entirely liberated from our pain -- we always have to choose to say "yes" to life in spite of it. But saying "yes" like this takes a great amount of strength, and every time we say "yes" we get a bit stronger. The stronger we get, the less it hurts, but the pain never truly goes away and our scars are a faint reminder of the pain of our old wounds. Importantly: what doesn't kill you doesn't make you happy or ignorant of the harshness of life, it just makes you strong.
@@chindianajones3742 Of course one could have an internal scar, from say a surgical-related traumatic injury, the wounded scar could develop sepsis. Then, it’s a game of craps.
I just got in a car accident yesterday and I can attest to the fact that trauma does reveal the facade and fragility of life, life’s vastness yet simply finite nature where definitely felt yesterday. But I can say that I survived somehow, and that is the true meaning of what doesn’t kill you make you stronger
This makes me think of children when growing up. The ones who are overly protected and coddled will have more difficulty facing adversity and trauma. Remember I said OVERLY protected and coddled. You don't give the keys to the car to a kid without teaching them how to drive nor should you not ever teach them to drive. One of the most important things a parent can do is teach their child how to deal with adversity;
One of the best pieces of advice i ever heard was when i was working in a kitchen for the summer between highschool and college. I burned myself on a broth pot and all the ood heads said in unison "Ya burn ya learn!"
I've had a wonderful life with some serious adverse events that always had silver linings. Eventually I wrote about my life and and named the positive results triggered by adverse events, "evils silver lining". However, I found that the positive results appear to depend on how conscientious a person is. Unfortunately, most people disregard their conscience out of greed to their own demise. My book, "Heart Consciousness" is for people who are interested in opening and following the Holy Spirit who resides in our hearts.
Finding joy, courage and most of all, faith, in our adversity or tragedy is the ultimate benefit. It is not in regained strength or imprived intellect or understanding. It is finding faith, joy, hope, and love in the worst of situations... that is strength.
What do you say to a young child who's suffering trauma, or has suffered it, or to that adult. I was regularly beaten and abused from a very young age by my mentally unwell father. I grew up hating myself. I understand now why that was, and I'm in a better place,but it took 30 years. I could've done without it frankly, and as a child I hadn't the maturity to cope.
I would say as an adult you have the ability to become stronger through the struggle to deal with what happened. As the video said, there is nothing positive about trauma, but in the struggle to deal with what happened positive change can arise.
@@M64936at the tender age you don't need lessons or abuse to make you stronger. Its totally horrific that kids get abused by their parents who are supposed to protect and love them. Most such kids get permanently wound by it. No point in lecturing them about strongness.
I mean, this is like the winners writing history. Trauma can completely destroy people make them homeless, drug addicts, and so on. The healthiest people I met are raised well and didnt face big trauma. They also deal better with minor stress. Its kind of proven. The only thing suffering does is shape you to become very different than most people. It makes you a strong individualistic thinker because you try to find a different way to inner peace that comes automatically to a lot of other people.
I have been broken by trauma (mental) in life, and I do not believe it made me stronger. It made me more reflective, wiser, more philosophical. But 10 years after the break, I am still a mess. So I am wondering a few things. You mentioned a study of people having experienced trauma, and if they got stronger in any way. I would like to know, if you asked these people "With your current strenghts and weaknesses in mind, would you rather be with or without the traumatic event?" I would guess most would say "without". I know that in those ponderings there is a bias towards not rocking the boat, so maybe some would say with, but that depends upon what has happened in their life after the trauma, not the trauma itself. For instance if someone met their wife after the event, they could hesitate, because what if removing the trauma meant losing her. I am wondering if the "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is more of a survival mechanism in our minds than an actual truth. In a way like when a young couple sees parents scolding their children and they think "we can do better than that!" and therefore jump naively into parenthood. If humanity didn't have that, many people would hesitate becoming parents. So maybe no growth took place, but only the illusion of one.
If it made you more reflective and wiser, it sharpened your mind; which is the most powerful weapon you have under your complete control. So you did gain strength; of course it is not my place to comment on your pain, but if I may give some food for thought? Recovery is not only about strength. Each time we are hurt, we must lick our wounds and wait for them to heal. Sometimes it takes a month, sometimes it takes half a lifetime.
It is hard to quantify. You might have gained something from the experience, but you also probably lost a lot due to that experience. I would definitely be better off without debilitating anxiety. By how much? I don't know. I personally think it's a cope, most successful, happiest people rarely come out, out of a traumatic past. Dwelling over it will not help you, so it's better not to think about it, but it is very weird how people try to glorify it in the comments, as if they would've had worse upbringing if they didn't come out of a drug den according to one commenter. You probably would've grown just as much with time, rather than the experience itself.
@@IgnasV Good catch on the glorify part actually. Seems to stem as a rebound effect of the overly victimizing...culture? I don't know what to call it. Though it is also interesting to see others in comments belittling other subjective traumas and pain, daring to put ones pain above anyone else is a sign of lack of understanding but i digress.
I agree, I feel like stuff like this is kinda toxic positively. I lived for 40 years not knowing I'm dyslexic and autistic + lots of other childhood/adult neglect, abuse and chronic illness. I've never been on a date, let alone most of the other life milestones. Stronger maybe, I'm still alive but I still struggle with life.
@@Ashdorath In a way yes, But what I tried to point out is, what if the trauma didn't happen, who's to say I wouldn't have become just as wise just by being alive longer. What if the trauma had been milder and thus the aftermath shorter. No one can say for certain what the outcome of life would have been with or without something, but "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" assumes (presumes?) to know just that, and I don't believe you can say that. And just for fun, imagine that it was verifiably true, shouldn't that turn the justice system upside down? "Oh you attacked and paralyzed this person, wow you really made them stronger, here is a cash bonus for your service!" "What's this!!! You treated you loved one with care and compassion!!! How dare you, now they are going to grow up weak!" Wouldn't that be a world! I like the saying "It is easier to create healthy children, than to fix broken adults"
I’m not saying this is nonsense but it’s complete nonsense for me 16 years after a traumatic experience and trust me I gained nothing by it other than being able to see how messed up the world is being ruled by the one percent more clear than most people as side of that, it has been absolute torment and torture, and there is no quality of life or happiness. There is only coping.
6:01 personally i dont agree. Youre ignoring all the people who were on the same place as Frankl yet failed to sustain his attitude. Frankl mentioned it himself. I dont think is 100% a choice, nor that anyone, or even most, can adopt this mentality. It may be worth strivingmfor it. Sometimes the pain is too big, sometimes the tools are not there, sometimes the person lacks the physical state (e.g. biology). In the end we have to be aware of the usual pitfals of self-help, of blaming and self-blaming (i know that's not implied on the video).
I've had what I thought was bad things happening... and on more than one occasion, it turned out to be a good thing. Always the best content. Great Art. Great lesson. Keep fighting brothers.
This feels like survivorship bias + cope. Those who are strong enough to endure trauma grow from it and live to report it as strengthening them. Those who are too weak die or at least break. Regardless, all of us have to cope with trauma
@@Archimedes1988 think of it in the context of war. If we want to know what fighting a war is like, we will ask war veterans. This is an Intrinsically biased opinion though, because we never hear the opinions of the men who die in war.
@@DuncanL7979 I see. But, allow me to point out, that isn’t the point of Nietzsche’s statement. The opposite of “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is “what doesn’t kill you makes you weaker,” not “You either live or you die when you go through something.”
Adversity will change you. That it makes you stronger depends on countless factors though. And a lot of them we cannot influence. We all fight a different battle imo. Life can be absolutely vile and merciless to many of us. It is worth though fighting or striving for a life worth living for. For me that is my life and the lives of the people around me.
6:35 the human psyche has evolved the capacity to overcome trauma. Thats not correct. You should read 'The body keeps the score' by Bessel Van Der Kolk. Trauma is not something that heals automatically and naturally. One thing is something painful, another different trauma. There's a treshold after which the body and mind gets scarred. And requires special help to recover, if at all.
I honestly don't know a single example in my life where traumatic events made a person's life better. They just say they are happy to finally deal with stuff, so it's only better if it never happened to begin with My friend had some kind of cancer in his brain about 10 years ago and after he managed to live through it he went full religious looney, it's all a necessary cope to deal with the fact that he almost died and is unable to work because his illness can come back at any time.
@@Rebellgamers the problem, even when stuff isn't as traumatic as my previous example, is time lost and timeframe Usually when something bad happens you have to deal with it absolutely alone and if it hits you at the wrong time it just wastes your time. In my case it was poverty during my teens and early adulthood. Yeah, I got out of it, all alone. Yeah I guess I'm stronger etc. But so what? I'm 30 now. I'm 10 years behind now in development I'm going to be 40 by the time I will establish myself enough to have actually a stable life, by that time everyone will be preoccupied with their stuff, kids, families and so on. It's just never ending catch up
@@regularguy3879 thats exactly my point. What's the point of becoming "stronger" when you lost your youth and time? What exactly you gonna do with that strongness in your 40s 50s when others already get success and move on while you are still behind them by decades?
Sometimes. Nothing is ALWAYS true. Depends on person, environment, experience, etc. we want things to be predictable, for there to be "rules", happy endings. Shit happens all the time. Just another saying to make someone feel better. I know plenty of instances where it ddnt make anyone stronger. It does, however, often make u more empathetic or compassionate when it happens to others, hence, the success of AA, for example.
In reality what doesn`t kill you immediately weakens you and instead kills you slowly, it do not make you stronger... (I really wish I learned that lesson before it was to late...).
Don't know why some people don't like the saying I understand your personal life expierence may oppose this but human beings at are core have the power to adapt and become more resilient in the face of adversity denying this I believe will only hurt you more in the future
@@TheWhiteCompany-oj1yy Der are so many inflictions that indead do not kill, but make you weaker. Taek depression for example. How does having a major depression for 15 years make you stronger?
@Rithmy I see your point but as someone Who has depression the part of you that becomes stronger and adapts isn't always the physical or even the mental but the spiritual in my life there have been so many soul crushing times that have had lasting effects on my heart but because of those wounds I've learned and started to feel that pain isn't so bad that infection because of tha t pain I can resist that pain and tolerate even greater pain and pain is the catyalst to growth or so many would agree so while having depression for 15 years weakens you in ways it also strengthens you in many
@@TheWhiteCompany-oj1yy Tolerating Pain is not the solution. When listening to Vietnam war veterans talking about their experiences, i can tell you that it numbs everything. You can't numb the pain without also numbing the pleasure. And pleasure is also a great catalyst for growth. But more importantly is the environment. We need safety for growth. Without safety there is no growth. You won't explore when unsafe. YOu wont try out new things while unsafe. You will stick to the old. Thats not a recipee for growth. Its nice to see positive sides of hard times, but lets not overrationalize abuse. You can tell this spiritual growth yourself. But i would refrian talking about it like that to young people. ONLY YOU understand you spiritual world. I does not make sense to talk about this type of grwoth to others as it is only misunderstood. Do you know what young people think and why i hate this saying (what doesnt kiill you makes you stronger)? THey think that only harsh consequences will educate them. They think that they can do anything unless it kills them. They rationalize they abusive relationship with that!!! They stay with their violent partner that hits them everyday because they think it makes them stronger because it doesnt kill them!! DO you really want to be responsible for such a misunderstanding?
Definitely a quote that should be taken with a grain of salt. For me there’s been experiences I’ve definitely learned from and made me “stronger,” and other experiences I’ve been unable to find a redeeming quality to and would gladly omit. And sometimes the strength I gained wasn’t worth the pain. When I think about this quote I also think about the prisoners in Semyonov Place in St Petersburg being put through a mock execution by firing squad. One man collapsed from the experience, another was named Dostoevsky and later wrote some decent novels.
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The video "What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger" by the Academy of Ideas offers a profound exploration of how adversity can be a catalyst for personal growth. The insights shared resonate deeply with the timeless wisdom of philosophers and psychologists who have long recognized the transformative power of suffering.
Joseph Campbell's reflection on the warrior's approach to life is a powerful reminder that embracing life's challenges is essential for personal development. By saying "yes" to life, even in the face of pain and adversity, we unlock deeper powers within ourselves. This perspective aligns with Nietzsche's famous dictum, "What doesn’t kill me makes me stronger," highlighting the potential for growth that lies within our struggles.
The video emphasizes that trauma, while often seen as purely destructive, can also lead to significant personal growth. Psychologists like Stephen Joseph and the pioneers of the concept of posttraumatic growth, Richard G. Tedeschi and Lawrence G. Calhoun, have shown that individuals can emerge from traumatic experiences with increased personal strength, a greater appreciation of life, and richer relationships. This idea challenges the traditional view that trauma only leads to negative outcomes and underscores the resilience of the human spirit.
Viktor Frankl's story is a testament to the power of finding meaning in suffering. His experiences in concentration camps and his subsequent contributions to psychology illustrate how one can transform immense suffering into a source of strength and purpose. Similarly, Terry Waite's ability to turn his harrowing ordeal into a positive force demonstrates the universal potential for growth through adversity.
The Stoic philosophers provide valuable guidance on preparing for and enduring adversity. By contemplating potential misfortunes and accepting the uncertainty of life, we can build resilience and reduce the impact of unexpected hardships. Seneca's advice to anticipate future evils and Schopenhauer's suggestion to imagine terrible misfortunes as if they had already happened are practical strategies for cultivating a strong mindset.
Nietzsche's concept of standing in a Dionysian relationship to existence further enriches this discussion. Embracing the inevitability of pain and destruction as precursors to self-transformation allows us to find strength in our darkest moments. This perspective encourages us to see adversity not as a curse but as an opportunity for rebirth and growth.
In a world where a victim mentality often prevails, the message of this video is both timely and empowering. By adopting a heroic attitude towards life's challenges, we can rise above our circumstances and use adversity as a stepping stone to greater health and fulfillment. As Nietzsche and Campbell suggest, loving our fate and viewing disasters as opportunities for improvement can lead to a richer, more meaningful life.
In conclusion, "What Doesn’t Kill You Makes You Stronger" is a compelling reminder of the resilience inherent in the human spirit. By embracing adversity and viewing it as a catalyst for growth, we can transform our lives and emerge stronger, wiser, and more compassionate. This video is a valuable resource for anyone seeking to navigate the challenges of life with courage and grace.
left a comment on your substack about child mortality. evolutionary biology plays strongly into cultural evolution regarding social-collective-individual feedback loops. women as a whole all dealt with much more trauma related to child mortality on many many levels. life has gotten very good for ALL of us by bringing down child mortality. this is one of the great miracles. but it has major psychological blowback costs and alterations. we are using technology to better ourselves, but it messes a psychological balance of things up quite a bit. in good and bad ways, and some simply not easily understood until after the fact. we solve one problem or a few sequentially, and other results , other than desire pop up , and we must learn to engage with them later. complexity ratches on a social-psychology scale.
Thanks for making these through provoking videos. You bring together knowledge from different thinkers really well.
You should stop spying on me! Its creepy.
It’s funny how traumatic events that nearly ended me decades ago seem so insignificant now.
Congrats on the growth my friend
aye , aye indeed Sir .
Gross! I'm not amazed nor have I've grown from my trauma. But I have helped as much I could ease the suffering of others. Despite myself and for appreciation of my Mother. That rage, powerless, hopelessness and injustice will never be resolved. This life is a wash. Let there be nothing after this one.
@@cookieanddabutt2843 it saddens me that you are suffering so much. It is good to find comfort in helping others. I pray you will find meaning and purpose in your life that will help put your trauma in perspective. And I hope you can experience being truly loved.
@@cookieanddabutt2843 time for you to realize your true self, your real self.
My traumas, while little now time has passed, the traumas, have come back to keep me company.
Certain times, surgical procedures, are shared - not that, these extra experiences are asked for, however, sharing the discomfort, often helps the person going thru the procedure., and helping near neighbours heal themselves - if they chose to - that, I will not force. Let them harm themselves, even if it means they kill themselves.
"It is what it is." The sooner people realize this the easier it is to recover. In the end, the only thing we really have control over is our attitudes and actions.
Yes! I say this to people all teh time when they are complaining about things they can't change or complaining about events that have already happened, and they need to focus on moving forward, focus on the task at hand to address what already happened and cannot be changed.
"People don't think the universe be like it is, but it do" - Black Science Man
I recently met someone who says that all the time and it is helpful. He used it as an excuse to not go to the doctor for years and progressed further into congestive heasrt failure than he would have by acting on the reality of his situation sooner. No easy recipe for things, acceptance is nice, but so is taking well-timed action. That serenity prayer people from AA use is quite nice for summing up that tricky ongoing balance. I personally need more "it is what it is", more fortitude and acceptance, but everything is a balance. Too much acceptance can be a problem, same as too little, it's situational, personal.
@@HoboGardenerBen
Newton's 3rd Law.
Karma.
Galatians 6:7,8.
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I don't aspire to be unbreakable. I will break. But I will reclaim myself and grow stronger through life's catalyst.
oddly enough becoming that which is unbreakable
Am tired of sh*t not killing me & only making me stronger
😂😂😂😂 get over it. That's the purpose of this life.
Not sure trauma makes us stronger because surviving isn’t living
Truly a sisyphus situation
I have been through near death, abuse rejection and abandonment, loss of loved ones etc., I am now becoming stronger and see the soundness working in my life.
indeed
In my experience, that which doesn't kill you still fucks you up pretty good.
hear hear, but just grin and bare it; UGH!
embrace the suck.
@@thedreadtyger Exactly. Always out-numbered, always out-gunned. Wouldn't have it any other way.
Surest
Never to late to change your perception
When I was 7 years old, my father committed suicide due to drug addiction, after that I was living with my drug addictive mother, hiding syringes so my little sister wouldn't see them, and so much other shit. I was hating my life so much for quite a long time, now I am saying that I am glad for the experience I had because I am who I am at the moment of my life, and I would not change that for anything. Thanks for your videos!
Although I'm sure you've already been told this, it bears repeating even from some stranger online. Read this in your best Robin Williams' voice possible:
"It's not your fault."
But in all seriousness, as someone whose own family was ravaged by the opioid epidemic across three generations (and still someone managed to experience a tamed-down version of your own recollections), hearing stories like yours doesn't elicit pity from me to you, but respect. We can sit here all day and talk about how those things shouldn't have ever happened--but they did; and the fact that you were able to turn them into a life you are proud of is immensely respectable.
@@cda6590Absolutely! Very respectable & courageous too.
It’s a wonderful feeling to know I’m not the only person who’s “flipped the script”
I’m thankful for the struggles & grateful for the difficulties this life has given me. It’s where I found strength, beauty, joy & love.
I compare the first 17 years of my life to a hard labor prison sentence. My older sister and I suffered brutal beatings, work 7 days a week and constant mental abuse. That said, it prepared me for the hardships of adulthood. I have an amazing wife now but I have learned to only rely upon myself.
I had Drug addicted mother and I ended up addicted to drugs too. It was a horrible time but now I don’t get shook easily
Congratulations and keep it up. I celebrate your victories.🎉🎉🎉
Appreciate the channel.
A day in January my life changed when i fell off a roof onto concrete shattering parts of my left foot (as that's all I stuck the landing on).
Still worked 2 weeks at a labor intensive job on crutches. Ladders, moving appliances, and such with a non-weight bearing foot. Some called me a freak.
After i got fileted and had a bunch of metal installed in me, I was grounded for 3 months. It was bad, but I still went to a gym and maintained my upper body. My injured leg became spaghetti being ordered to not put weight on it for 2 months.
Given permission to walk, i collapsed. The muscles were gone. Tendons tight. The brain forgot how to walk now mastering crutches.
Fast forward, I am now working full time, going as hard as I can training, and although my mobility and strength isnt what it was in my left leg i know holding the path I will get back to what I was and even be stronger.
I was very depresses before my injury. It, ironically, gave me a purpose and a struggle to overcome.
Never give up.
Thanks for sharing that. Seriously well done.
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Your story is beyond inspirational! You are a beast 💪.
Thanks for posting this video! The world needs content like this now more than ever and it reminded me of an old saying "The warrior does not pray for an easy life but rather prays for the strength to endure a difficult one."
"Sometimes what doesn't kill you makes you very weak, and almost dead!"
- Norm McDonald
Death is inevitable?... Does it matter, grow some balls
What doesn't kill you mutates and tries again...
@@Semino1eC4 you may love your addictions, however addictions don't love us back. Yet it's none other than yourself blaming away your power and opportunities for healing onto addictions, thus you never owned your responsibility to heal.
May he rest in peace
@@JustinEdwards-tg7xv all these quote are good to listen but not everyone is practical and this one ? it goes both way suffering from paralysis kills you being alive also so decides your perspective
Thanks
Whatever come at you, say "this is what i need". Speechless.
There are a lot of situations where that doesn't apply though. like abuse, especially physical and sexual abuse, no one "needs" or should accept that is happening to them because it's what they "need", a lot of people are conditioned to think that way.
If you want to create a different future and not remain a victim, you CHOOSE to say "this is what I need to make myself stronger". You don't choose WHAT happens to you, but in order to change your situation, you MUST look at it and accept it for what it is. Then do what you need to do.
To not accept it, you can't change enough to gain power over it.
@@valeriefuchser780 I agree mostly but that kind of idealistic resolve is hard for some to muster, even adults, and I definitely wouldn't expect it from children or adolescents who make up the majority of people who experience that kind of trauma. accepting something has happened/is happening and deciding to do our best to change it is different than thinking it was deserved or "needed". The "this is what I need" mantra can be taken to the extreme where people think they deserved/deserve their abuse, I think it's important to acknowledge these quotes and mantras are pretty simplistic and only go so far, if they help some that's great.
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I'm dead 😂
While hard knocks may prepare us for more hard knocks, it's certainly not anyone's preferred process.
I've made peace with hard knocks and enjoy my life. But my optimism towards a subjectively good future is rather low. At least to an extent that whether it's worth such colossal multi-generational struggle. So whilst I'm reasonably sure I can enjoy what I do until my passing day I don't see it responsible of myself to bring a child forth into this nuthouse.
@@HHalcyonthe best way to positively influence the future is to have, and raise, good children. I get it, it doesn't happen for everyone, especially in this day and age with economic problems and gender wars, but to surrender to this mindset is essentially akin to giving up. You've got to want it, but you also have to know you'll be ok if you don't get it. People have been having kids for ages under far worse circumstances than we find ourselves in. Just don't completely rule it out. Though I don't know you, the types of people who watch channels like this are likely the types who SHOULD be procreating.
@@reinedire7872 And the end result is that we're a minority. I'll give my best to leave a lasting positive change in my own trade but I'm not feeling comfortable myself with what's going on. So I have no credible avenue with which to justify to my probable kids as to why it's nice to live here. Common sense isn't so common and I fail on that front every now and then, too. Used to fail much more when younger. A slow learner.
I knew somehow when I was young this wasn't a world I wanted to bring children into. Fast forward 40 years and what I'm seeing is proving me right. The state and technology are taking away parents ability to properly raise their own children ,with constant brainwashing and violent video content for consumption. The powers that shouldn't be partnered with major corporations, are putting out good little worker drones,and major victims and revolutionaries from schools and colleges in order to maintain the status quo. This planet and it's inhabitants are being destroyed so the few can rule over the many. Soo,humans need to pull their heads out of their asses,get their shit together, and start righting all these wrongs we've been allowing to happen for thousands of years now,or we will go the way of the dinosaurs. I could be wrong,but I don't think I am. IMHO
@microfarming8583 no there's still a lot of neglected kids, abused kids, dysfunctional families, poverty, ect. even in the so called "western world" that stuff didn't go away, it's just now there's social media for young and old to complain about each other and everything else for everyone to see, it warps peoples perception of what people are really like and what's actually happening irl.
Whatever doesn't kill you will probably give you incredibly unhealthy coping mechanisms.
Haha yes, isolation from the world.
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Hmm. 🤔 It can cause unhealthy ways of coping with difficulties while navigating life. I can't disagree with that.
There was this one time, after I suffered psychological abuse for 2yrs, that I didn't realize how deeply it had affected me until something triggered the pain again. I needed to work through it and heal myself. I became more resilient with thick skin.
And Isolation from the world is not exactly a bad thing. Going off grid and into nature is a nice break. I'm also a sigma female. That may have something to do with it.
I'm currently in a hospital bed following an operation on radius bone after shrapnel wound. One of many I've received recently on SMO.
I've read Frankl before and tend to follow stoic principles in life. It helps. Also, recently I've been facing almost certain death quite a few times. I don't think I'm going to worry about petty things in life as much anymore.
So I testify to the truth of this video.
Thanks!
I used to think this but to a point, yes, it does make you better but at what cost does the trauma enflict over time...
What doesn't kill you makes you
not want to do that again.
谢谢！
While belief in one self is crucial and a good trait to have, sometimes little bit of belief from other people can be a spark that ignites ones soul. Try to be that spark, and in turn, the flame that you ignite may fuel you too.
I agree with Nietzsche's dictum, but it doesn't make everyone stronger. Adversity strengthens some, not all. Some are destroyed by it. We tend not to hear about those.
It seems to be a choice.
@@ransbarger Or how attached to things we get.
If it was the case that it makes everyone trauma, he never would’ve needed to say it.
I remember trying to get ready for hardships at the age of 13-16. I remember bracing myself for more fucked up stuff (which I expected to deal with later in life), but my nerves can't handle even minor problems sometimes. Which is strange, because I was much more resilient during childhood. Now I just crumble under any stress
Life is a trial by fire. The point stands that trauma is an opportunity for growth but not all will avail of it
If a venomous snake bites you, and you end up not just surviving but building resistence to the venom, that's great. If you get hit by a car, and spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, you most definitely did not get stronger. Point being, not all trauma and its impact is the same, the variability is significant. And there's more to consider.
This is definitely both a fascinating and difficult topic to think about. Much of the ideas are 'beautiful to imagine and think about'. And it is absolutely true that people should always 'put up a fight' in face of adversity. Struggle indeed usually is needed for significant growth. But as always, too much of anything is bad or even very bad. Personally I am one of those who believe that indeed not many people can deal with great trauma and honestly emerge out of it stronger and happier. In fact, I would not be surprised if some people, when asked about their 'great past pain', say that they 'prevailed, endured, grown, turned their life around etc.' largely bacause they could not, understandably, bear the idea of 'suffering for nothing'.
In my mind, each person has let's call it a 'core personal dignity' and a 'balance of suffering and enjoyment' in life. If any of those two are sufficiently damaged by trauma or negative events, it weakens or even breaks you to the point that you know you lost something you truly needed and can never get it back. And you know this by asking yourself the question of whether you'd want to live such life again. Even many such damaged/hurt people still fight, sometimes every day, to hold on, help others, not upset family&friends, to focus on the little things that bring them some calm, meaning or enjoyment. But they know that the scars they bear are too deep and their impact too severe, for them to ever truly feel positive about life again. And then, in the worst scenarios.. there's so many suicides these days... despite unprecedented access to help, philosophy, old wisdom etc. Probably anyone who's been through depression knows what it does to one's 'sense of reality' and what havoc it can wreak on our self confidence and will to live. It's not realistic to expect that everyone can be strong, overcome severe trauma, let alone become some pinnacle of what philosophers described in their visions. The specific circumstances of every one of us, our personal psychological profile and the resulting capacity for resilience are very unique.
POst traumatic growth is also a keyword here for psychological trauma. We dont know the criteria for it to happen.
ANd btw while we have unprecedented access to help an dphilosophy and wisdom, we have also an unprecedented loss of connection and social cohesion. Both is needed to heal. Getting therapy even like 4 hours a week is not enough to support a life. You need to establish social life for a meaningfull life (at least for most humans)
200% agree and best comment.
You don't really understand. Not a criticism. Most people don't. Most people think too shallow and unfortunately psychiatry has stopped trying to help and instead validate and prescribe evil drugs that make things worse.
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall.
5 yrs ago I was t-boned in my driver's side at 200 kmph by à gang guy evading police. Firefighters can't work out how I lived, no one has ever survived this type of accident in their experience. I won't bore you with the injuries, but it's life long rehab.
I'm sorry to hear that. You are tough and it really impresses me. Almost a year ago I injured my knees so that I have to recover for a year from now, it's not the same but I understand a tiny percent of your pain and it's absolutely terrible. I wish you fully recover and live happily
This channel changed my life. Been watching for years since I was a teenager. Thank you for everythjbg
This video helped me so much as I was awake at 3 am struggling with an issue between me and my son. It has been so painful to deal with, but I am now saying to myself, "THIS is what I need".
We can either get better or become bitter. Don’t let trauma define you. Don’t use it as a scapegoat. Let it serve as the catalyst to mold you into a greater and more actualized human.
"Self-victimisation has the paradoxical capacity of producing justification for abuse"
This is the first time I have heard "will to power" as being a will to self overcoming and growth. Sounds positive when you put it that way.
What does not kill me, just makes me angrier!
....thus stronger
@@SoloRenegade Depends on the action(s) taken.
@@fillmorehillmore8239 yes, some cower, some rise to the occasion. nature selects for the strongest.
Grow strong, or let it destroy you.
And when I’m angry I must lift heavy objects !
Spite Makes Might
Hypertension almost killed me and it certainly has made me weaker lmao. My mindset is not the same, I also lost weight, I can’t do the things I used to do AND I feel very vulnerable.
I've spent the last four years undergoing treatment for a type of blood cancer that roughly 2 in a million people get diagnosed with. It's basically cancer and motor neuro in nature plus a slew of other things all wrapped into one disease. I wouldn't be the person I am now without having gone through this character x-ray. It's the best thing that ever happened to me. I'm that much stronger because of it. Im strangely proud of it. No one else I know can trade in this currency.
@@brockvenator2299 I hope you have supportive friends and family accompanying you.
Thank you so much for your hard work. My subscription to the channel makes more and more sense with every video I watch here.
What really is the point of existence itself if you were born into this world so badly flawed to the point that, not matter how hard you try to live a good life, you are doomed to fuck up so bad and suffer the consequences, and thus be forced to learn lessons the hard way from all the bad choices and failures to improve yourself into a better person, or else you fail so miserably that you end up suffering forever as a cautionary tale that others have to learn from? If I ever found out that I was made this way, I’d feel so betrayed and cheated, that I’d resent my creator and rebel against them for making this happen and denying me the right to the successful life I wanted. Everyone who exists has the right to be able to be decent, responsible, and capable of developing without excessive hardship, as well as to be created this way.
The best partner I’ve ever had breaking up with me nearly took me out - made me think about my entire life and wishing I lived xyz thing differently in order because in my mind it might have brought forth a more secure attachment pattern, perhaps less unhelpful anxiety, a more robust social life… however, now almost a year later since the break up - I feel as though she helped me realize my weaknesses better and overall helped me grow psychologically to a more mature adult. So in the end, I choose the the best I can that this awful pain of grief and loss that I experience / still on and off feel - was the most potent catalyst for a more fulfilling life, optimistic perspective. I’ve also seen people that look like trauma took them out of the game for a long time and they didn’t engage back with life overall driving themselves deeper into the hole through shrinking for to long and numbing out to life with vices.
I agree with some and others. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger at some parts and weaker at other parts. Period. Some you gain, some you lose. Everything comes with a price. And yes, it also depends on who you are, your mental and physical capacities too.
Every day is a challenge that we are to overcome.
I can relate to this after i broke my ankle pretty bad 6 months ago. Wouldn’t want to ever go through it again but I’m grateful of the positive changes it’s had in my life overall since.
🎯💎🏆 Great insightful & fruitful video 🏆💎🎯
लोकः समस्ताः सुखिनो भवन्तु
( May all beings lead Prosperous life across world )
It doesn't matter how much stronger you get or how much you grow from trauma - there is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION FOR ITS EXISTENCE WHATSOEVER!
Excellent segment. Always hits home. Thanks guys.
No one should ever have to be abused in order to develop and grow up. Imagine what life would be like for a being that needs to suffer abuse and trauma and other horrible, fucked up shit as a basic necessity for its own development and improvement of character. It would surely be a miserable, broken life rife with senseless suffering for its own sake, and a life not worth ever living. If I were ever created this way, I would rather not grow up at all and waste all of the potential development I could have had from getting abused and tortured, and question why I was even made like this.
Be an advocate of physical pain, it lightens the weight of trauma.
I started being physically active in 2004, and never looked back. When my divorce happened in 2022, it took a mere few weeks to a month to feel normal again.
After my divorce I added cold plunging daily for five minutes in 40° water and regret not starting it years sooner.
Challenge yourself, embrace discomfort - it opens a world of enduring events that would make others recoil and fold.
Now I remember why I subbed to this channel.
Bless.
The task of the one who has experienced a great trauma is to overcome that trauma. The task of overcoming such a trauma is realized day by day, throughout the course of your life. We don't wake up one day finding that we have become entirely liberated from our pain -- we always have to choose to say "yes" to life in spite of it. But saying "yes" like this takes a great amount of strength, and every time we say "yes" we get a bit stronger. The stronger we get, the less it hurts, but the pain never truly goes away and our scars are a faint reminder of the pain of our old wounds. Importantly: what doesn't kill you doesn't make you happy or ignorant of the harshness of life, it just makes you strong.
@@chindianajones3742 Of course one could have an internal scar, from say a surgical-related traumatic injury, the wounded scar could develop sepsis. Then, it’s a game of craps.
Exactly right.
Adversity & Trauma either makes your stronger or wiser, but certainly lonelier
Thanks - one of your best.
I just got in a car accident yesterday and I can attest to the fact that trauma does reveal the facade and fragility of life, life’s vastness yet simply finite nature where definitely felt yesterday. But I can say that I survived somehow, and that is the true meaning of what doesn’t kill you make you stronger
This makes me think of children when growing up. The ones who are overly protected and coddled will have more difficulty facing adversity and trauma. Remember I said OVERLY protected and coddled. You don't give the keys to the car to a kid without teaching them how to drive nor should you not ever teach them to drive. One of the most important things a parent can do is teach their child how to deal with adversity;
What doesn't kill you scars you for life
One of the best pieces of advice i ever heard was when i was working in a kitchen for the summer between highschool and college. I burned myself on a broth pot and all the ood heads said in unison "Ya burn ya learn!"
@@limitcanc3l Did you get gangrene?
Thank you so much. This came at a time when I really needed to hear it.
Mutual understanding cannot exist without futility, suffering, pain and hatred.
If something doesnt kill you it may mean that you were already stronger in the first place
Underrated comment.
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Good point.
Unless we are wise enough, we do not grow when life is good
I've had a wonderful life with some serious adverse events that always had silver linings. Eventually I wrote about my life and and named the positive results triggered by adverse events, "evils silver lining". However, I found that the positive results appear to depend on how conscientious a person is. Unfortunately, most people disregard their conscience out of greed to their own demise. My book, "Heart Consciousness" is for people who are interested in opening and following the Holy Spirit who resides in our hearts.
Your videos are just like gems. Unique and rare.
Finding joy, courage and most of all, faith, in our adversity or tragedy is the ultimate benefit. It is not in regained strength or imprived intellect or understanding. It is finding faith, joy, hope, and love in the worst of situations... that is strength.
Expect the best, and prepare for the worst.
What do you say to a young child who's suffering trauma, or has suffered it, or to that adult. I was regularly beaten and abused from a very young age by my mentally unwell father. I grew up hating myself. I understand now why that was, and I'm in a better place,but it took 30 years. I could've done without it frankly, and as a child I hadn't the maturity to cope.
I would say as an adult you have the ability to become stronger through the struggle to deal with what happened. As the video said, there is nothing positive about trauma, but in the struggle to deal with what happened positive change can arise.
@@M64936at the tender age you don't need lessons or abuse to make you stronger. Its totally horrific that kids get abused by their parents who are supposed to protect and love them. Most such kids get permanently wound by it. No point in lecturing them about strongness.
I mean, this is like the winners writing history. Trauma can completely destroy people make them homeless, drug addicts, and so on. The healthiest people I met are raised well and didnt face big trauma. They also deal better with minor stress. Its kind of proven. The only thing suffering does is shape you to become very different than most people. It makes you a strong individualistic thinker because you try to find a different way to inner peace that comes automatically to a lot of other people.
Thank you ...I haven't seen a video in a while but when a student walked past me I thought of you . Thanks sir thank you thank you...
bravo 👐 bravo!! Thank you for the validation 😊
What doesn't kill you makes you ...
STRANGER
"I used to think my life was a tragedy, but now I realize it's a comedy."
Heath ledger himself died at the age of 28.
Your greatest video, yet! I can’t wait to say that again soon :) thank you
I have been broken by trauma (mental) in life, and I do not believe it made me stronger. It made me more reflective, wiser, more philosophical. But 10 years after the break, I am still a mess. So I am wondering a few things. You mentioned a study of people having experienced trauma, and if they got stronger in any way. I would like to know, if you asked these people "With your current strenghts and weaknesses in mind, would you rather be with or without the traumatic event?" I would guess most would say "without". I know that in those ponderings there is a bias towards not rocking the boat, so maybe some would say with, but that depends upon what has happened in their life after the trauma, not the trauma itself. For instance if someone met their wife after the event, they could hesitate, because what if removing the trauma meant losing her.
I am wondering if the "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is more of a survival mechanism in our minds than an actual truth. In a way like when a young couple sees parents scolding their children and they think "we can do better than that!" and therefore jump naively into parenthood. If humanity didn't have that, many people would hesitate becoming parents.
So maybe no growth took place, but only the illusion of one.
If it made you more reflective and wiser, it sharpened your mind; which is the most powerful weapon you have under your complete control. So you did gain strength; of course it is not my place to comment on your pain, but if I may give some food for thought? Recovery is not only about strength. Each time we are hurt, we must lick our wounds and wait for them to heal. Sometimes it takes a month, sometimes it takes half a lifetime.
It is hard to quantify. You might have gained something from the experience, but you also probably lost a lot due to that experience. I would definitely be better off without debilitating anxiety. By how much? I don't know. I personally think it's a cope, most successful, happiest people rarely come out, out of a traumatic past. Dwelling over it will not help you, so it's better not to think about it, but it is very weird how people try to glorify it in the comments, as if they would've had worse upbringing if they didn't come out of a drug den according to one commenter.
You probably would've grown just as much with time, rather than the experience itself.
@@IgnasV Good catch on the glorify part actually. Seems to stem as a rebound effect of the overly victimizing...culture? I don't know what to call it. Though it is also interesting to see others in comments belittling other subjective traumas and pain, daring to put ones pain above anyone else is a sign of lack of understanding but i digress.
I agree, I feel like stuff like this is kinda toxic positively. I lived for 40 years not knowing I'm dyslexic and autistic + lots of other childhood/adult neglect, abuse and chronic illness.
I've never been on a date, let alone most of the other life milestones. Stronger maybe, I'm still alive but I still struggle with life.
@@Ashdorath In a way yes, But what I tried to point out is, what if the trauma didn't happen, who's to say I wouldn't have become just as wise just by being alive longer. What if the trauma had been milder and thus the aftermath shorter. No one can say for certain what the outcome of life would have been with or without something, but "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" assumes (presumes?) to know just that, and I don't believe you can say that.
And just for fun, imagine that it was verifiably true, shouldn't that turn the justice system upside down?
"Oh you attacked and paralyzed this person, wow you really made them stronger, here is a cash bonus for your service!"
"What's this!!! You treated you loved one with care and compassion!!! How dare you, now they are going to grow up weak!"
Wouldn't that be a world!
I like the saying "It is easier to create healthy children, than to fix broken adults"
Thank you for these. Truly.
I’m not saying this is nonsense but it’s complete nonsense for me 16 years after a traumatic experience and trust me I gained nothing by it other than being able to see how messed up the world is being ruled by the one percent more clear than most people as side of that, it has been absolute torment and torture, and there is no quality of life or happiness. There is only coping.
Correct
I always tell myself “this isn’t happening to me but for me. What am I trying to learn from this?”
Needed to hear this one. It was beneficial.
6:01 personally i dont agree.
Youre ignoring all the people who were on the same place as Frankl yet failed to sustain his attitude.
Frankl mentioned it himself.
I dont think is 100% a choice, nor that anyone, or even most, can adopt this mentality.
It may be worth strivingmfor it.
Sometimes the pain is too big, sometimes the tools are not there, sometimes the person lacks the physical state (e.g. biology).
In the end we have to be aware of the usual pitfals of self-help, of blaming and self-blaming (i know that's not implied on the video).
I've had what I thought was bad things happening... and on more than one occasion, it turned out to be a good thing.
Always the best content. Great Art. Great lesson.
Keep fighting brothers.
Absolutely agree, but it is ALWAYS a journey that every person has to come to choose for themselves (not everyone will)
This feels like survivorship bias + cope. Those who are strong enough to endure trauma grow from it and live to report it as strengthening them. Those who are too weak die or at least break. Regardless, all of us have to cope with trauma
Dead men tell no tales.
Explain “survivorship bias + cope” please.
@@Archimedes1988 think of it in the context of war. If we want to know what fighting a war is like, we will ask war veterans. This is an Intrinsically biased opinion though, because we never hear the opinions of the men who die in war.
@@DuncanL7979 I see. But, allow me to point out, that isn’t the point of Nietzsche’s statement. The opposite of “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is “what doesn’t kill you makes you weaker,” not “You either live or you die when you go through something.”
what a powerful video, thank you for this lesson
Last time I was this early, I learned the joys of child support
Thanks my friend.
I need hear this words.
Life doesn't happen to you, it happens for you
"What doesn't kill you makes you very weak, and almost killed." - Norm MacDonald.
Adversity will change you.
That it makes you stronger depends on countless factors though. And a lot of them we cannot influence. We all fight a different battle imo. Life can be absolutely vile and merciless to many of us.
It is worth though fighting or striving for a life worth living for. For me that is my life and the lives of the people around me.
What doesn't kill you, delays the inevitable.
No Pain, No Gain.
you probably have one of the 5 top channels on the web 👍
Thank you for so much wisdom.
Wisdom and Greatness as usual. Thank you for your hard work!
6:35 the human psyche has evolved the capacity to overcome trauma.
Thats not correct. You should read 'The body keeps the score' by Bessel Van Der Kolk.
Trauma is not something that heals automatically and naturally.
One thing is something painful, another different trauma. There's a treshold after which the body and mind gets scarred. And requires special help to recover, if at all.
I honestly don't know a single example in my life where traumatic events made a person's life better.
They just say they are happy to finally deal with stuff, so it's only better if it never happened to begin with
My friend had some kind of cancer in his brain about 10 years ago and after he managed to live through it he went full religious looney, it's all a necessary cope to deal with the fact that he almost died and is unable to work because his illness can come back at any time.
Most successful and happy people never feel any traumatic events in their life.
@@Rebellgamers the problem, even when stuff isn't as traumatic as my previous example, is time lost and timeframe
Usually when something bad happens you have to deal with it absolutely alone and if it hits you at the wrong time it just wastes your time.
In my case it was poverty during my teens and early adulthood.
Yeah, I got out of it, all alone. Yeah I guess I'm stronger etc. But so what? I'm 30 now.
I'm 10 years behind now in development
I'm going to be 40 by the time I will establish myself enough to have actually a stable life, by that time everyone will be preoccupied with their stuff, kids, families and so on.
It's just never ending catch up
@@regularguy3879 thats exactly my point. What's the point of becoming "stronger" when you lost your youth and time? What exactly you gonna do with that strongness in your 40s 50s when others already get success and move on while you are still behind them by decades?
"It is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't"
Sometimes. Nothing is ALWAYS true. Depends on person, environment, experience, etc. we want things to be predictable, for there to be "rules", happy endings. Shit happens all the time. Just another saying to make someone feel better. I know plenty of instances where it ddnt make anyone stronger. It does, however, often make u more empathetic or compassionate when it happens to others, hence, the success of AA, for example.
Life-promoting channel, blessed by the gods of madness and wisdom.
In reality what doesn`t kill you immediately weakens you and instead kills you slowly, it do not make you stronger... (I really wish I learned that lesson before it was to late...).
Don't know why some people don't like the saying I understand your personal life expierence may oppose this but human beings at are core have the power to adapt and become more resilient in the face of adversity denying this I believe will only hurt you more in the future
@@TheWhiteCompany-oj1yy Der are so many inflictions that indead do not kill, but make you weaker. Taek depression for example. How does having a major depression for 15 years make you stronger?
@Rithmy I see your point but as someone Who has depression the part of you that becomes stronger and adapts isn't always the physical or even the mental but the spiritual in my life there have been so many soul crushing times that have had lasting effects on my heart but because of those wounds I've learned and started to feel that pain isn't so bad that infection because of tha t pain I can resist that pain and tolerate even greater pain and pain is the catyalst to growth or so many would agree so while having depression for 15 years weakens you in ways it also strengthens you in many
@@TheWhiteCompany-oj1yy
Tolerating Pain is not the solution. When listening to Vietnam war veterans talking about their experiences, i can tell you that it numbs everything. You can't numb the pain without also numbing the pleasure. And pleasure is also a great catalyst for growth.
But more importantly is the environment. We need safety for growth. Without safety there is no growth. You won't explore when unsafe. YOu wont try out new things while unsafe. You will stick to the old. Thats not a recipee for growth.
Its nice to see positive sides of hard times, but lets not overrationalize abuse. You can tell this spiritual growth yourself. But i would refrian talking about it like that to young people. ONLY YOU understand you spiritual world. I does not make sense to talk about this type of grwoth to others as it is only misunderstood. Do you know what young people think and why i hate this saying (what doesnt kiill you makes you stronger)? THey think that only harsh consequences will educate them. They think that they can do anything unless it kills them. They rationalize they abusive relationship with that!!! They stay with their violent partner that hits them everyday because they think it makes them stronger because it doesnt kill them!! DO you really want to be responsible for such a misunderstanding?
Definitely a quote that should be taken with a grain of salt. For me there’s been experiences I’ve definitely learned from and made me “stronger,” and other experiences I’ve been unable to find a redeeming quality to and would gladly omit. And sometimes the strength I gained wasn’t worth the pain.
When I think about this quote I also think about the prisoners in Semyonov Place in St Petersburg being put through a mock execution by firing squad. One man collapsed from the experience, another was named Dostoevsky and later wrote some decent novels.
but it didn't kill you, and you've learned from it. so the quote holds true.
@@SoloRenegade what did you learn from your trauma?
Thank you for all that you DO. What a great video on the topic of adversity. Yes to life, no matter what. ❤
what a powerful citation at the end of the video.
Always great inspirational content, also GREAT paintings, will stop the vid just to enjoy and enlarge and scrutinize those unknown masterworks.
I thought that too, amazing art :)
Some say it makes you weaker
Your voice got deeper than usual. I notice that. If you caught a cold or something similar I hope you’ll get better!! 💗
Something changed in me when i lost both of my parents at 24.
At first, for the worst. Later on for the better.
It's ironic because Nietzsche didn't die because of syphilis but his life because a living hell.
“Yea,” in this case is actually pronounced “yay,” as in yea (yay) or nay.