🚨I originally included the Front Fell Off clip from Clarke and Dawe but I have a Copyright strike against the channel and could not take the risk of another. The link to the clip is: th-cam.com/video/3m5qxZm_JqM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5mvnMEOVLOm33VH5🚨
Ah the great Clarke and Dawe "The Front Fell Off". Australian comic genius. As a proud Australian expat I am willing to ignore John Clarke was a bloody New Zealand infiltrate... :-)
When I was in school for Naval Architecture my advisor at one point related the story of a class of containerships where the first had disappeared in the North Atlantic jn winter. Nobody was able to figure out why. A few years later one of the other sisterships was in the North Atlantic in winter and the crewman at the helm noticed something weird in how she was handling and wind and spray was blocking visibility of the bow. Called the Captain and slowed down. Captain sent a sailor up to look at the bow and the sailor returned and reported that the whole bow had fallen off. They stayed slow and ran for the closest port and made it. Afterwards the investigation (which my professor was involved in) found that while the hull design and construction met standards and safety rules, there was an unnoticed flaw in the design that made the bow overstressed and likely to crack and fail and fall off after some years in service. Once they knew where to look they found all the sisterships cracking around one particular area of the bow. They were all fixed, and a new bow built for the nearly unlucky one. The rules were beefed up. Other ships that were at risk with the new rules were reinforced as well. The next year, we got a tour inside the then largest APL containership in Oakland, and even in something built the year before they had found an area of the bow that they needed to reinforce because it started cracking behind the anchor opening. And these are all built for open ocean operations…. River ships at sea in a storm is a disaster waiting to happen…
Russia also have oil transfers done the same way in the Baltic sea between the island of Gotland (Sweden) and Latvia, and the same thing could happen there. The Baltic sea is a bit quirky.
This is a lesson that keeps having to be learned. Look at the T2 tankers post-WWII. They were kept in service much longer than they were meant to be, and started splitting in half. Including 2 of them in a single day off the east coast of the USA, both of which were responded to by the same coast guard station. A movie was made about it, and was a pretty good movie.
This sounds like the OBO carrier Derbyshire which sunk with all hands in the 1970's. Built in the renowned Swan Hunter shipyard in Newcastle upon Tyne the men building it called her a deathtrap as they worked on her but according to the regulations and architects drawings everything was fine. Lost in a storm in the Far East the Enquiry found nobody was guilty of negligence or incompetence. I wonder why. Bibby Line have friends in high places. However sending river vessels out into the Black Sea proves how desperate the Russian oligarchs are to sell their black market oil , a few old ships and a few river boatmen come cheap.
I’m fairly sure I just learned more about Russian shipping in fifteen minutes than the major news channels could have told me in a month of 24/7 broadcasting. Thank you, Sal!
Me too. Great explanation of why that ship was where it was, why it shouldn't have been and therefore we understand how come 'The Front Fell Off'. Thanks.
Sal messed up. The Block-Barges are NOT blocking the Nav Channel that is under the High Span. They are blocking access under the low sections to north and south, to prevent the Ukraine Sea-Drones from transiting and doing damage there (like they did the second time). That way the Russians do not have to watch there... only the Nav-Span section for possible transits.
As a boy I used to live in a house that backed onto a canal. Our next door neighbour had a canal barge. About 40 feet long and 8 feet wide. My Dad was ex Royal Navy and had spent many years at sea. The neighbour came to my dad and asked him about moving the barge down the canal system, into the River Dee estuary and down the coast to the Manchester ship canal. This he said would save him a fortune in transport costs. As the crow flies it's not more than 10 mile of open water. My Dad told him it would be foolish in the extreme to even consider. It's weird because he asked my Dad for advice then totally ignored him. Yes, he lost the barge and nearly his life. He never spoke to my Dad again. Which was also strange I guess he was too embarrassed.
I always find it bemusing when people ask an expert for advice and then ignore it, then put the tin lid on it by getting annoyed with the very expert who clearly gave them the right advice... Why do they ask in the first place?
@@alisonwilson9749 Back in the day we'd say " nowt so queer as folk" although now days they are probably saying strange. It wasn't just that he'd been in the Navy he'd won a Bronze for England in single handed sailing. I didn't always listen to my dad but anything to do with boats and the sea was never ignored.
@alison People ask because they wanna be told they're not crazy When they're told they shouldn't do it, they're pissed - but maybe the expert is just an idiot, they tell themselves But once physics proves the expert right, then it becomes a conspiracy - the universe and its experts just don't wanna give the poor righteous normie a break..... So mean! :C (it's very sad, but unfortunately this is how a lot of people think)
It was the wonderful Samuel Johnson, the guy who compiled the first English dictionary, who said "Being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of being drowned."
“Designed for protected water” almost by definition means “not designed for open water”, is the lesson I’m picking up. It must have been super scary for the crew at the helm to watch what was happening right in front of them!
Imagine the noises it was making? Possibly some signs of the buckling inside as well before it finally came loose. I wouldn't be surprised if warnings were made and ignored years ago.
Normal katastrof. 55 year old russian rust bucket is the lesson to take home, total incompetence in about everything and corruption on top of it. Inspections passed with couple of bottles of moonshine. The welder of the ship probably was sober one day a year.
@@McSlobo and yet the incompetent Russians defeated US/NAT0, and despite western sanctions Russia became the 4th largest economy in the world according to the World Bank and IMF
just be careful not to swallow the Russian propaganda he thoughtlessly repeated here , give any statements about Ukraine abusing Russian interests some thought.
The video did not contain propaganda. Two other comments here which mention propaganda may be propaganda. Muddying the information space is a key component of Russian propaganda
There used to be a practice where old Great Lakes freighters would be towed overseas for scrapping. Many of them broke in half and didn't make it across the ocean.
@JasonP6339The Great Lakes are not glassy lakes at all- they can be very treacherous. It bears in mind that the each of them is basically a small freshwater sea and like any good large body of water, spawns frequent nasty weather. Most of the great wrecks that occur in the Great Lakes is during severe inclement weather events.
Every couple of years or so “The front fell off” comes along and sets me off on another Clark and Dawe binge. These guys were awesome. RIP John Clarke… you are missed.
To understand commerce, you must understand shipping. Your posts are invaluable for explaining “ what’s going on. . .” I learn so much more than just what’s afloat. Maritime commerce affects every aspect of modern life. Keep up the great work Sal ! 👍🏽
Sal you're bringing us the info that news outlets will ever show us. You're connecting the dots that party oriented networks could never connect, yahoo finance could never connect. It's the real info and simple logic watching what's going on. This is why you're the best commentator on shipping and imo the best on certain global affairs
@@hypsyzygy506if that’s your first thought after somebody points to loss of life in a shipping accident, you might want to step away from the internet for a bit.
For the American audience the Sea of Azov is smaller than lake Michigan but larger than Lake Erie. The Black Sea is larger than all the Great Lakes put together.
Thank you, I was very unsure about the black sea just cause I haven’t really heard much about it. But I don’t know about you, but I think the age of the vessels could’ve had a factor. Especially for being in saltwater, which wears ships out faster.
Sal, I found your channel by accident after the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse when the Dali hit the supports. I know little about shipping, ships, and seafaring. The largest vessel I've been on is the Lake Michigan Car Ferry, the SS Badger. But, I've come to enjoy your channel immensely, and have learned a great deal about shipping and its causes and effects on the global economy. Thank you for all that you do, and being so relatable in your videos.
The Great Lakes vessels are amazing. My family had a house on the Windsor side of the Detroit river and those massively long ships would be gliding by 24/7 about 100ish yards from the shore. It's amazing how they hold up when any of the Great Lakes really gets churning.
As soon as I saw the first images of this tanker my mind immediately went to that Clarke and Dawe clip. "The front fell off" is well worth watching again. How either of those guys could keep a straight face throughout the whole skit still amazes me.
Reminds me of the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald that was caught in a winter storm on the Great Lakes. I lived down the street from the Captain’s daughters when the ship disappeared in 1975. Very sad that the entire crew was lost. The Great Lakes is known as the graveyard of ships. Love your channel.
Yes! And consider the Fitz was designed and built to take the normal insane forces of Great Lakes storms. The ships in the videos would have been toast in that storm. (I lived in the Soo at the time and remember that storm with its 75mph winds. We lost power and a tree.)
@ Yes I bet it will be. Too bad Gordon Lightfoot died in 2023, he would have been the host and performed the song The Wreck of EF. 50 years, man I must be getting old. 😀
@@michaelsteel5177 Not to put on airs but the Navy diver photogs (or Coast Guard?) developed their still shots of the EF in my dad’s darkroom at Lake State.
[Senator Collins:] It’s a great pleasure, thank you. [Interviewer:] This ship that was involved in the incident off Western Australia this week… [Senator Collins:] Yeah, the one the front fell off? [Interviewer:] Yeah [Senator Collins:] That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point. [Interviewer:] Well, how is it untypical? [Senator Collins:] Well, there are a lot of these ships going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen … I just don’t want people thinking that tankers aren’t safe. [Interviewer:] Was this tanker safe? [Senator Collins:] Well I was thinking more about the other ones… [Interviewer:] The ones that are safe,,, [Senator Collins:] Yeah,,, the ones the front doesn’t fall off. [Interviewer:] Well, if this wasn’t safe, why did it have 80,000 tonnes of oil on it? [Senator Collins:] Well, I’m not saying it wasn’t safe, it’s just perhaps not quite as safe as some of the other ones. [Interviewer:] Why? [Senator Collins:] Well, some of them are built so the front doesn’t fall off at all. [Interviewer:] Wasn’t this built so the front wouldn’t fall off? [Senator Collins:] Well, obviously not. [Interviewer:] “How do you know?” [Senator Collins:] Well, ‘cause the front fell off, and 20,000 tons of crude oil spilled into the sea, caught fire. It’s a bit of a give-away.” I would just like to make the point that that is not normal. [Interviewer:] Well, what sort of standards are these oil tankers built to? [Senator Collins:] Oh, very rigorous … maritime engineering standards. [Interviewer:] What sort of things? [Senator Collins:] Well the front’s not supposed to fall off, for a start.
The representative of the United States to the United Nations is non-statutorily seated on The National Security Council, which means China knows everything that is going on in the White House, which probably isn't much. Collin's mentor Cohen was a Republican and Secretary of Defense for Bill Clinton. His statutorily NSC position would make its way into Donald Rumsfeld's loving hands, although I seem to think there were thousands of men on the national security council in them days, cattle prod salesmen, that kind of thing
Int: Well, what is the front called? Sen: You mean what do sailors call it? Int: Yes. Sen: I think they refer to it as the bow. Int: The bow? Sen: Yes, that's the pointy end that's not supposed to fall off.
@Triple_J.1 it's similar to the Arvin - a river type craft, that broke up in choppy open water just like this. The structure wasnt built for choppy waves and troughs plus it was aging. Crew died on that one.
For you to understand the event: those ships were involved to a small private business delivering oil from Volga ports to Black sea with STS to seagoing vessels. Majority of such export originating from Novorossiysk and Baltic sea ports of RF. Owners of those ships might be corrupt indeed. They buy class. I am in deep doubts those ships were in drydock recently.
The twisting and bending of the ship’s hull is reminiscent of what the USS Midway experienced in October, 1988 during a typhoon that struck the Philippines and South China Sea. We survived, but the ship’s angle steel deck between the flight deck and hanger bay looked like a Ruffle Potato Chip! And they said she “couldn’t do more than 24” degrees (roll)! A lot of significant changes to the carrier’s hull, post modernization with the advent of jet aircraft, caused a huge increase in the ship’s instability and adversely affected flight operations.
The Ranger CV-61 developed a 400 foot crack in the Hull during a typhoon in the same area (might have been the same storm) the diver was able to swim into the crack
Sal, I was built in 1970 and I resent the implication that if I ventured into open water I would fall apart too. I have no doubt that if I was in open water Greenpeace would come and save me before the Japanese arrived. :)
I only clicked on this for one reason. That is to convey my appreciation for the "The Front Fell Off" reference. Well done, Sal. I guess I'll even watch the rest of the video, too.
Very interesting analysis & presentation! You covered much more explanatory information than other channels. So, your expertise in this area is greatly appreciated. This landlubber learned a lot!
@@wgowshipping under normal conditions it would not be a problem for these ships to go to the Port over Black Sea fyi. The sea is calm, I have a house on the Taman Bay and the winds and angry sea are unusual. It's a failure of operator who should have kept the ship in the sea of Azov until the winds subsided. From what I saw, the ship just came out of the strait and got cross wind. The other one seems to have been anchored but it should have been empty and sent on its way. They dredged the strait recently btw so they could have pulled them in and they would not get the same wind conditions even sitting in the strait even 10 km in, it's pretty wide and much calmer. I would guarantee that the operator will go on the carpet for the failure.
I joined the Navy because the Army walked everywhere (and the Air Force had a base in Lubbock, Texas. Long story, but I knew my luck.) I then spent a lot of time learning the List of Things You do on a Boat to Keep Yourself From Having to Walk Back. I still come out of a dead sleep at any smell of smoke. I don't remember a section on Pieces of the Boat Falling Off. I'll bet there is one now - with this video.
The U.S. Navy has a long history of ships losing bows and sterns - usually it involves unfriendly locals but occasionally weather will do it (look up “Halsey’s Typhoons”). The Royal Navy actually stitched two Tribal class destroyers together after they both broke during WW1 (HMS Nubian and HMS Zulu making HMS Zubian)
This video was excellent! And that’s coming from someone who has no idea how this came up in my algorithm or why I even clicked on it. I started out not caring, but 14 minutes later I subscribed.
I must have nodded off during that class on ship structures...always thought longer vessels were the most vulnerable to those Hog/Sag cycles. Good stuff .
In the late 'sixties we ASW sailors used to joke about the quickest way to sink a Soviet vessel being putting it in the water. Nothing much seems to have changed.
Ha ha. Who is now dominating the Arctic with their nuclear icebreakers? No other country has the skills or resources to build them at the rate the Russians are.
@@paragondawn1301 Russian ships are far superior to American ships! How many Americans ships can transition to submarine on command? To be fair the Russians are still working on the minor problem of transitioning back to a surface ship (or just to the surface)
TY Sal, Top level. The Black sea , an that inland river network is so under reported, and likely under targeted in the current "operations' . Brief history study says there are a lot of wrecks in there, now +2. * Prayers to the lost sailors, they were likely just doin their best with a floating coffin.
Interesting idea. Maybe there is a railway bridge somewhere that the military uses for transporting weapons/ammo/supplies and could be rightfully "lowered" to stop all taffic in the waterway (as a side effect).
"The front fell off" is my favourite comedy sketches from Clark and Dawe. When I saw the clip's picture, I immediately said to myself, "the front fell off"! That aside, it's very sad that crew died. I hope the families are supported.
Excellent coverage yet again Sal. Thank you for this video news on these two Russian 1970’s built ships. They broke up carrying oil designed for inland river transport, in the Black Sea.
One could argue this wouldn't have happened if they didn't start one, absolutely! Still sad for the people on board, not all of them might have supported Putin. =(
Im not so sure it is related to the war. If a similar tanker sank in the same area in 2007, then this traffic pattern with these vessels predates the war by a long time.
@@catie1899 So the US didn't kick the whole thing off back during the Obama years when the CIA overturned a valid election and installed a pro US/NATO Government in Ukraine in direct contravention of previous treaties? Interesting...
I live coastal, and sometimes get brave enough to take my kayak out on the ocean. Typically only once a year or so, as shit gets real, real quick, and I head back in tail tucked. It's plastic, so it bends and doesn't break. I also deployed on a few CVNs and USNS. I can't imagine the feeling of being on a larger vessel and feeling/seeing it flex, then break in two.
A most interesting video, I learned a lot that I didn't know, respect to the crews of the 2 ships, condolences to their friends & families for those who lost their lives.
A+ grading here Sal! Mainstream media have yet to do a report this detailed! You truly are the Blancolirio of the sea! I envy your students if you are just as thorough with their material!
Worth mentioning that the RIWS link to the White Sea has been cut since July after flooding washed out a chunky section of the White Sea/Baltic Canal including at least 2 Locks & a Pumping Station.
Your video of the ship about to loose its bow is a good illustration of the tragic Edmond Fitzgerald breakup in lake Lake Superior [Lake Gichi-Gami] "which does not give up its dead come the gales of November". The video is very similar I think to what the Fitzgerald engineering crew in the aft engine compartments saw of the bow and bridge, of their ship as she split even more violently in the middle. I was in an Atlantic hurricane in the bridge of my US destroyer as we came out of a three story wave. I afraid that the grey clouds would be the last thing I saw as we slid back into that wave minus our stern. As more information came out about the Edmond Fitzgerald's breakup that image came back each time as well. With it the feeling that image was the last thing the Edmond Fitzgerald's bow bridge crew saw.
Let's sit right down and hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip, that started on this tropic shore, aboard this tiny ship! First time watcher - thanks for the details, you've explained it perfectly! Thanks so much!
They have basically been deferring maintenance for the last two to three years. Now consider the fact that their airplane fleet is in similar condition I would walk.
@@bruceparr1678 It was in the publicly available ordinary news when they invaded. They can't get parts due to the sanctions. And they can't get labor to do the maintenance since the high skill folks fled the country and the low skill folks were joining the military because the pay was crazy high. So, only obvious critical maintenance and the rest gets deferred. And inspections? Lol. Come on- corruption is rampant. It's cheaper to "pass" inspections than do the repairs to really pass them.
@@MisterPerson-fk1txYeah, those guys were the real deal, portaging their longships by hand over the watersheds from river to river. Stalin got soft by building canals and locks.
Reminds me of bit of our Great Lakes. They have some bad storms and the frequency and depth of the waves is different then open sea water. So what seems to happen is those long ore ships hit a certain frequency it really stresses the hull.
Fifty year old riverine ship on the Black Sea, what could go wrong? You’d think given the risk, the ships master would have been cognizant of the swells and bad weather.
As always your reporting gets into the underlying details. For example I didn’t know that the defences of the Kerch Bridge forced these inland vessels out into the open sea and destroyed them. Well done!
See what happens when you put woodcarvers out of work by abandoning the tradition of ships' figureheads? A bodacious mermaid would never have let that happen.
Thank you Sal and the Algo gods for this fascinating and informative video. when you get into the details it's so much worse that i first thought. the type of vessel, the history of bow failures, one in almost exactly the same place. it's beyond mere negligence. someone had to have given the order knowing it was unsafe. clearest indication i've seen yet of institutional brittleness. it raise all kinds of questions about the rest of the fleet, if thier ships are even insured anymore etc
🚨I originally included the Front Fell Off clip from Clarke and Dawe but I have a Copyright strike against the channel and could not take the risk of another. The link to the clip is: th-cam.com/video/3m5qxZm_JqM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5mvnMEOVLOm33VH5🚨
You'd think that would fall under fair use for news stories, no?😩
Update Tim S Dool free and at anchor
Odd since the channel is tax payer funded. You should be fine.
Ah the great Clarke and Dawe "The Front Fell Off". Australian comic genius. As a proud Australian expat I am willing to ignore John Clarke was a bloody New Zealand infiltrate... :-)
Not really sure this is a subject for silly jokes.
"The front fell off" is maybe one of the greatest comedy sketches to come from Australia. I was chuffed to see it mentioned here.
John Clarke lives!
@@BigAmp Can you book me a cab?
@argavyon didn't you come in a Commonwealth car?
That’s why I clicked on this video.😂😂
beware the wef
When I was in school for Naval Architecture my advisor at one point related the story of a class of containerships where the first had disappeared in the North Atlantic jn winter. Nobody was able to figure out why. A few years later one of the other sisterships was in the North Atlantic in winter and the crewman at the helm noticed something weird in how she was handling and wind and spray was blocking visibility of the bow. Called the Captain and slowed down.
Captain sent a sailor up to look at the bow and the sailor returned and reported that the whole bow had fallen off.
They stayed slow and ran for the closest port and made it.
Afterwards the investigation (which my professor was involved in) found that while the hull design and construction met standards and safety rules, there was an unnoticed flaw in the design that made the bow overstressed and likely to crack and fail and fall off after some years in service. Once they knew where to look they found all the sisterships cracking around one particular area of the bow.
They were all fixed, and a new bow built for the nearly unlucky one. The rules were beefed up. Other ships that were at risk with the new rules were reinforced as well.
The next year, we got a tour inside the then largest APL containership in Oakland, and even in something built the year before they had found an area of the bow that they needed to reinforce because it started cracking behind the anchor opening.
And these are all built for open ocean operations…. River ships at sea in a storm is a disaster waiting to happen…
Russia also have oil transfers done the same way in the Baltic sea between the island of Gotland (Sweden) and Latvia, and the same thing could happen there. The Baltic sea is a bit quirky.
This is a lesson that keeps having to be learned. Look at the T2 tankers post-WWII. They were kept in service much longer than they were meant to be, and started splitting in half. Including 2 of them in a single day off the east coast of the USA, both of which were responded to by the same coast guard station. A movie was made about it, and was a pretty good movie.
This sounds like the OBO carrier Derbyshire which sunk with all hands in the 1970's. Built in the renowned Swan Hunter shipyard in Newcastle upon Tyne the men building it called her a deathtrap as they worked on her but according to the regulations and architects drawings everything was fine.
Lost in a storm in the Far East the Enquiry found nobody was guilty of negligence or incompetence. I wonder why. Bibby Line have friends in high places.
However sending river vessels out into the Black Sea proves how desperate the Russian oligarchs are to sell their black market oil , a few old ships and a few river boatmen come cheap.
And the first thing profiteers do is skimp, defer or eliminate maintenance. To deregulate is always a risk.
Some lunatic has built an unsailable replica Ark, that's up for auction at the moment. Made by a delightfully eccentric Dutch religious nut.
I’m fairly sure I just learned more about Russian shipping in fifteen minutes than the major news channels could have told me in a month of 24/7 broadcasting.
Thank you, Sal!
Me too. Great explanation of why that ship was where it was, why it shouldn't have been and therefore we understand how come 'The Front Fell Off'. Thanks.
What have you learned from the major news channels about arctic terns and Moskvitch auto manufacturing? I have to go to specialized channels myself.
Sal messed up.
The Block-Barges are NOT blocking the Nav Channel that is under the High Span. They are blocking access under the low sections to north and south, to prevent the Ukraine Sea-Drones from transiting and doing damage there (like they did the second time).
That way the Russians do not have to watch there... only the Nav-Span section for possible transits.
Now, digging those canals was largely a Stalin gulag project. ~250k killed.
@@WhiteWolf65 those sea drones are made in UK and attacks are planned by british mercenaries not by ukrinae
As a boy I used to live in a house that backed onto a canal. Our next door neighbour had a canal barge. About 40 feet long and 8 feet wide. My Dad was ex Royal Navy and had spent many years at sea. The neighbour came to my dad and asked him about moving the barge down the canal system, into the River Dee estuary and down the coast to the Manchester ship canal. This he said would save him a fortune in transport costs. As the crow flies it's not more than 10 mile of open water. My Dad told him it would be foolish in the extreme to even consider. It's weird because he asked my Dad for advice then totally ignored him. Yes, he lost the barge and nearly his life. He never spoke to my Dad again. Which was also strange I guess he was too embarrassed.
I always find it bemusing when people ask an expert for advice and then ignore it, then put the tin lid on it by getting annoyed with the very expert who clearly gave them the right advice... Why do they ask in the first place?
@@alisonwilson9749 Back in the day we'd say " nowt so queer as folk" although now days they are probably saying strange. It wasn't just that he'd been in the Navy he'd won a Bronze for England in single handed sailing. I didn't always listen to my dad but anything to do with boats and the sea was never ignored.
@alison
People ask because they wanna be told they're not crazy
When they're told they shouldn't do it, they're pissed - but maybe the expert is just an idiot, they tell themselves
But once physics proves the expert right, then it becomes a conspiracy - the universe and its experts just don't wanna give the poor righteous normie a break..... So mean! :C
(it's very sad, but unfortunately this is how a lot of people think)
@@alisonwilson9749 They're not asking for advice. They just want their stupid plan validated.
"The front fell off" 😅
Clarke & Dawe, one of their best skits ever!!!
I'd just like to make it perfectly clear: It's not normal for the front to fall off.
@rockets4kids no cardboard or cardboard derivatives 🤣
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Its ok, it was towed outside the environment.
@@leighchamberlain25 cellophane is out.
The old saying. "A ship is a jail, with the prospect of drowning." 🌹
Makes total sense
People say jail as if it's a bad place, but it's a great place to be if you are the warden.
It was the wonderful Samuel Johnson, the guy who compiled the first English dictionary, who said "Being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of being drowned."
The captain wired in he had water comin' in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
An accident at sea can ruin your whole day
“Designed for protected water” almost by definition means “not designed for open water”, is the lesson I’m picking up.
It must have been super scary for the crew at the helm to watch what was happening right in front of them!
Imagine the noises it was making? Possibly some signs of the buckling inside as well before it finally came loose. I wouldn't be surprised if warnings were made and ignored years ago.
Normal katastrof. 55 year old russian rust bucket is the lesson to take home, total incompetence in about everything and corruption on top of it. Inspections passed with couple of bottles of moonshine. The welder of the ship probably was sober one day a year.
@@McSlobo The fact that the ships survived to still be in service after 55 years illustrates that the ships were doing fine in rivers.
@@McSlobo and yet the incompetent Russians defeated US/NAT0, and despite western sanctions Russia became the 4th largest economy in the world according to the World Bank and IMF
Maybe they were thinking protected by Russian.
The value of this channel is almost indescribable. It really helps me understand our world better.
just be careful not to swallow the Russian propaganda he thoughtlessly repeated here , give any statements about Ukraine abusing Russian interests some thought.
@@richardelliott8352 Anything involving Ukraine/Russia is "propaganda"...Very little truth is coming from any reliable sources for either side.
The video did not contain propaganda. Two other comments here which mention propaganda may be propaganda. Muddying the information space is a key component of Russian propaganda
I think it's important to point out that Ukraine was not attacking shipping in the Sea of Azov before Russia invaded in 2022.
Here here :) respect from Manchester (UK)
There used to be a practice where old Great Lakes freighters would be towed overseas for scrapping. Many of them broke in half and didn't make it across the ocean.
Which is a scarey thought when you consider how rough the Great Lakes can get late in the season.
@@katrinapaton5283 The long lakers would bridge the high ocean swells, and break in the middle.
A fair number broke in half on the Great Lakes too.
Yeah I imagine the building specifications for ships sailing on mostly glassy lakes versus the ocean are quite different lol
@JasonP6339The Great Lakes are not glassy lakes at all- they can be very treacherous. It bears in mind that the each of them is basically a small freshwater sea and like any good large body of water, spawns frequent nasty weather. Most of the great wrecks that occur in the Great Lakes is during severe inclement weather events.
Thanks! Very informative as usual!
My pleasure!
Every couple of years or so “The front fell off” comes along and sets me off on another Clark and Dawe binge.
These guys were awesome.
RIP John Clarke… you are missed.
TECHNOLOGY!!
Just watched it, instantly on my GOAT list next to the Midas Canadian car chase, Big Bill Hell's Cars and Who Killed Hannibal.
@@oohhboy-funhouseIf you think that’s good look up John Clark’s skit about the meaning of the phrases used in real estate ads. Priceless.
To understand commerce, you must understand shipping. Your posts are invaluable for explaining “ what’s going on. . .” I learn so much more than just what’s afloat. Maritime commerce affects every aspect of modern life. Keep up the great work Sal ! 👍🏽
🎯. . . .
Sal you're bringing us the info that news outlets will ever show us. You're connecting the dots that party oriented networks could never connect, yahoo finance could never connect. It's the real info and simple logic watching what's going on. This is why you're the best commentator on shipping and imo the best on certain global affairs
Sad about the loss of life, sad about the environmental damage. Thanks for keeping us up to date on life at sea.
Casualties of an illegal war.
@@hypsyzygy506if that’s your first thought after somebody points to loss of life in a shipping accident, you might want to step away from the internet for a bit.
Imagine being sorry for those idiot sailors and russia while their actions caused a major enviromental crisis in the region
For the American audience the Sea of Azov is smaller than lake Michigan but larger than Lake Erie. The Black Sea is larger than all the Great Lakes put together.
🎯. . .👍 . . . . 👋. . . Good health !
And for the Australian audience too. And perhaps the New Zealand and Brazil audiences too. Maybe others.
Thanks for the info comparison on Great Lakes I live within forty miles of lake michigan
Thanks for the info! I didn't realize the Black Sea is so large.
Thank you, I was very unsure about the black sea just cause I haven’t really heard much about it. But I don’t know about you, but I think the age of the vessels could’ve had a factor. Especially for being in saltwater, which wears ships out faster.
Sal, I found your channel by accident after the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse when the Dali hit the supports. I know little about shipping, ships, and seafaring. The largest vessel I've been on is the Lake Michigan Car Ferry, the SS Badger. But, I've come to enjoy your channel immensely, and have learned a great deal about shipping and its causes and effects on the global economy. Thank you for all that you do, and being so relatable in your videos.
A great teacher can make anyone interested in any topic. Too bad there are not more such teachers.
The Great Lakes vessels are amazing. My family had a house on the Windsor side of the Detroit river and those massively long ships would be gliding by 24/7 about 100ish yards from the shore. It's amazing how they hold up when any of the Great Lakes really gets churning.
As soon as I saw the first images of this tanker my mind immediately went to that Clarke and Dawe clip.
"The front fell off" is well worth watching again.
How either of those guys could keep a straight face throughout the whole skit still amazes me.
Beat me to it with this comment.
Clarke and Dawe was the finest satire programme ever!!!!
That is an awesome skit. Thanks for the pointer.
They usually did their skit to the theme of the UK quiz show, Mastermind.
Reminds me of the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald that was caught in a winter storm on the Great Lakes. I lived down the street from the Captain’s daughters when the ship disappeared in 1975. Very sad that the entire crew was lost. The Great Lakes is known as the graveyard of ships. Love your channel.
Yes! And consider the Fitz was designed and built to take the normal insane forces of Great Lakes storms. The ships in the videos would have been toast in that storm. (I lived in the Soo at the time and remember that storm with its 75mph winds. We lost power and a tree.)
50 year anniversary next November. i imagine it will be a big event in the region.
@ Yes I bet it will be. Too bad Gordon Lightfoot died in 2023, he would have been the host and performed the song The Wreck of EF. 50 years, man I must be getting old. 😀
@@michaelsteel5177 Not to put on airs but the Navy diver photogs (or Coast Guard?) developed their still shots of the EF in my dad’s darkroom at Lake State.
@ Do you have any copies of the photos? That must have been both exciting and sad for your dad to develop the photo’s.
Gives me renewed respect for the engineering that goes into large, ocean-going vessels.
And much much less respect for Russian engineering.
@@Agnemons because western ships never sink
[Senator Collins:] It’s a great pleasure, thank you.
[Interviewer:] This ship that was involved in the incident off Western Australia this week…
[Senator Collins:] Yeah, the one the front fell off?
[Interviewer:] Yeah
[Senator Collins:] That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
[Interviewer:] Well, how is it untypical?
[Senator Collins:] Well, there are a lot of these ships going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen … I just don’t want people thinking that tankers aren’t safe.
[Interviewer:] Was this tanker safe?
[Senator Collins:] Well I was thinking more about the other ones…
[Interviewer:] The ones that are safe,,,
[Senator Collins:] Yeah,,, the ones the front doesn’t fall off.
[Interviewer:] Well, if this wasn’t safe, why did it have 80,000 tonnes of oil on it?
[Senator Collins:] Well, I’m not saying it wasn’t safe, it’s just perhaps not quite as safe as some of the other ones.
[Interviewer:] Why?
[Senator Collins:] Well, some of them are built so the front doesn’t fall off at all.
[Interviewer:] Wasn’t this built so the front wouldn’t fall off?
[Senator Collins:] Well, obviously not.
[Interviewer:] “How do you know?”
[Senator Collins:] Well, ‘cause the front fell off, and 20,000 tons of crude oil spilled into the sea, caught fire. It’s a bit of a give-away.” I would just like to make the point that that is not normal.
[Interviewer:] Well, what sort of standards are these oil tankers built to?
[Senator Collins:] Oh, very rigorous … maritime engineering standards.
[Interviewer:] What sort of things?
[Senator Collins:] Well the front’s not supposed to fall off, for a start.
Int: What else?
Sen: There's a minimum crew requirement.
Int: What's that?
Sen: err, one a suppose.
I know you came here in a commonwealth car, but I'll call a taxi for you.
The representative of the United States to the United Nations is non-statutorily seated on The National Security Council, which means China knows everything that is going on in the White House, which probably isn't much. Collin's mentor Cohen was a Republican and Secretary of Defense for Bill Clinton. His statutorily NSC position would make its way into Donald Rumsfeld's loving hands, although I seem to think there were thousands of men on the national security council in them days, cattle prod salesmen, that kind of thing
@@carlmanvers5009Thanx, I was going to go in my car but the front fell off.
Int: Well, what is the front called?
Sen: You mean what do sailors call it?
Int: Yes.
Sen: I think they refer to it as the bow.
Int: The bow?
Sen: Yes, that's the pointy end that's not supposed to fall off.
Thanks Sal! for bringing the mariner world to our screens!
This is why corrosion control and bilge and void preservation are so important on ships.
This is why a structurally inferior vessel should not attempt to cross an ocean. Lest of all with valuable cargo.
@Triple_J.1 it's similar to the Arvin - a river type craft, that broke up in choppy open water just like this. The structure wasnt built for choppy waves and troughs plus it was aging. Crew died on that one.
As an avowedly non-nautical person who has just joined the channel I'm not sure what this means but am going to nick it anyway. Ta!
❤Thanks!
Jake Bree recommended the channel. I'm glad he did. This channel is a good segment of the geopolitical news I've been missing.
For you to understand the event: those ships were involved to a small private business delivering oil from Volga ports to Black sea with STS to seagoing vessels. Majority of such export originating from Novorossiysk and Baltic sea ports of RF. Owners of those ships might be corrupt indeed. They buy class. I am in deep doubts those ships were in drydock recently.
Its old ship, less about corruption more about greedy capitalism. They wanted profit like any businessman so they took risks
@meteorknight999
Точно, алчость и жадность.
Exactly, greed and avidity.
@@meteorknight999 Businessmen were greedy long before capitalism was invented.
The twisting and bending of the ship’s hull is reminiscent of what the USS Midway experienced in October, 1988 during a typhoon that struck the Philippines and South China Sea. We survived, but the ship’s angle steel deck between the flight deck and hanger bay looked like a Ruffle Potato Chip! And they said she “couldn’t do more than 24” degrees (roll)! A lot of significant changes to the carrier’s hull, post modernization with the advent of jet aircraft, caused a huge increase in the ship’s instability and adversely affected flight operations.
Good thing the Midway is a museum now.
The Ranger CV-61 developed a 400 foot crack in the Hull during a typhoon in the same area (might have been the same storm) the diver was able to swim into the crack
My buddy in the Navy had a T-shirt commemorating that event.
Well made.
Sal, I was built in 1970 and I resent the implication that if I ventured into open water I would fall apart too. I have no doubt that if I was in open water Greenpeace would come and save me before the Japanese arrived. :)
Do you hog and sag? If you do that enough, you'll break apart.
Is Whale Wars still going?
LOL
No
shout out class of 92
I only clicked on this for one reason. That is to convey my appreciation for the "The Front Fell Off" reference. Well done, Sal. I guess I'll even watch the rest of the video, too.
At seven P.M. a main hatchway caved in, he said
"Fellas, it's been good to know ya"
Thank you. Very useful overview.
Very interesting analysis & presentation! You covered much more explanatory information than other channels. So, your expertise in this area is greatly appreciated. This landlubber learned a lot!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
@@wgowshipping under normal conditions it would not be a problem for these ships to go to the Port over Black Sea fyi. The sea is calm, I have a house on the Taman Bay and the winds and angry sea are unusual. It's a failure of operator who should have kept the ship in the sea of Azov until the winds subsided. From what I saw, the ship just came out of the strait and got cross wind. The other one seems to have been anchored but it should have been empty and sent on its way. They dredged the strait recently btw so they could have pulled them in and they would not get the same wind conditions even sitting in the strait even 10 km in, it's pretty wide and much calmer. I would guarantee that the operator will go on the carpet for the failure.
Thank you Sal. As always you are awesome.
Happy Christmas wishes to you and all your loved ones from the 🇬🇧
Its kind symbolic of the country itself ,Broken
That front falling off cannot come soon enough then!
Let's not pretend no other country in the world has had similar problems
The world
Thank you brother Sal for this current report from What’s Going On With Shipping. Shalom to you and all the shipping people.
I've been waitin' for Sal's repot on this!
Thank you the information!!
There was also an ship based crane sunk a little south of Crimea.
darn
I've seen that also. Plus an unconfirmed report of a grounding of a rescue vessel.
Yep, off Yalta. Three ships in one day
@@sirboomsalot4902Apparently another one today.
Thanks, Sal. Never time wasted to watch your videos.
Good work Sal.
The headlines in the news yesterday were confusing and contradictory but you have put it all in focus. Thank you.
Came for the clark and dawe references, was not disappointed!😂
That's the windiest spot in the whole region with winds of 40 mph gusting 50 mph today blowing strait into that anchorage from the west/southwest
You have both the clearest and complete explanation I've seen.
Best coverage of the sea war i have seen - thank you
I think your one of the best channels on You Tube. You keep finding important subjects and give very good insight.
Thank you! As soon as I heard the news I opened your channel waiting for the explanation. Didn't disappoint! Subbed!
I joined the Navy because the Army walked everywhere (and the Air Force had a base in Lubbock, Texas. Long story, but I knew my luck.) I then spent a lot of time learning the List of Things You do on a Boat to Keep Yourself From Having to Walk Back. I still come out of a dead sleep at any smell of smoke. I don't remember a section on Pieces of the Boat Falling Off. I'll bet there is one now - with this video.
That's cause the navy has: Are Pieces Falling Off Our Boat? Inspections. I don't think russia bothered with these two ships 😭
The U.S. Navy has a long history of ships losing bows and sterns - usually it involves unfriendly locals but occasionally weather will do it (look up “Halsey’s Typhoons”).
The Royal Navy actually stitched two Tribal class destroyers together after they both broke during WW1 (HMS Nubian and HMS Zulu making HMS Zubian)
@@allangibson8494 This is the first time I have ever heard of cut-and-shut ships.....
To lose one ship, Mr. Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.
A gasp of admiration, and a tip of the coffee cup to you.
They lost 3 . There was a crane ship that went down too .
@@balaclavabob001Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times...
A _handbag_ ?!!
Never thought I’d hear Oscar Wilde references while discussing Russian inland waterways. 😂
This video was excellent! And that’s coming from someone who has no idea how this came up in my algorithm or why I even clicked on it. I started out not caring, but 14 minutes later I subscribed.
Thanks Steve! I appreciate it.
I must have nodded off during that class on ship structures...always thought longer vessels were the most vulnerable to those Hog/Sag cycles. Good stuff .
In the late 'sixties we ASW sailors used to joke about the quickest way to sink a Soviet vessel being putting it in the water. Nothing much seems to have changed.
Ha ha. Who is now dominating the Arctic with their nuclear icebreakers? No other country has the skills or resources to build them at the rate the Russians are.
While you were losing to guys in flip flops and pajamas
@@mitchyoung93Ah yes because the Soviets did so well in Afghanistan.
At least the US can build ships that work. How’s the Moskva and Kuznetsov going?
@@paragondawn1301 Russian ships are far superior to American ships!
How many Americans ships can transition to submarine on command?
To be fair the Russians are still working on the minor problem of transitioning back to a surface ship (or just to the surface)
@@Agnemons The command was given to the Ukrainian anti-ship complex "Neptune" and the russian missile cruiser "moskva" turned into a submarine.
TY Sal, Top level. The Black sea , an that inland river network is so under reported, and likely under targeted in the current "operations' . Brief history study says there are a lot of wrecks in there, now +2.
* Prayers to the lost sailors, they were likely just doin their best with a floating coffin.
Interesting idea. Maybe there is a railway bridge somewhere that the military uses for transporting weapons/ammo/supplies and could be rightfully "lowered" to stop all taffic in the waterway (as a side effect).
@@Pasandeeros Brilliant. Rail is used a lot in the areas that are prone to the mud season, "rasputa"? Yet nothing much moves then anyway.
"The front fell off" is my favourite comedy sketches from Clark and Dawe. When I saw the clip's picture, I immediately said to myself, "the front fell off"! That aside, it's very sad that crew died. I hope the families are supported.
Great explanation. Thank you and, thank you for reminding us all of the hilarious Clarke and Dowe. RIP John Clarke.
Excellent coverage yet again Sal. Thank you for this video news on these two Russian 1970’s built ships. They broke up carrying oil designed for inland river transport, in the Black Sea.
Bad enough they might spill oil in their river, they gotta take it out into the Black Sea. As if they give a rip.
Thanks for this information!! And of course it’s relative to the war.
One could argue this wouldn't have happened if they didn't start one, absolutely! Still sad for the people on board, not all of them might have supported Putin. =(
Im not so sure it is related to the war. If a similar tanker sank in the same area in 2007, then this traffic pattern with these vessels predates the war by a long time.
@@catie1899 So the US didn't kick the whole thing off back during the Obama years when the CIA overturned a valid election and installed a pro US/NATO Government in Ukraine in direct contravention of previous treaties? Interesting...
@@catie1899Ukraine + NATO = War. You do not get to decide what Russia does. Reap what you sow.
@@cvr527few pro UK rain fan boys in comments,...as always they have no idea what is going on ... Cannon fodder type's....sad really.😢
I live coastal, and sometimes get brave enough to take my kayak out on the ocean. Typically only once a year or so, as shit gets real, real quick, and I head back in tail tucked. It's plastic, so it bends and doesn't break. I also deployed on a few CVNs and USNS. I can't imagine the feeling of being on a larger vessel and feeling/seeing it flex, then break in two.
Ships that big flex all the time, too big and heavy to not. Well...sometimes they flex too hard.
Yea... I did that once aswell. Even in a sheltered cove it was bloody rough even in good weather...
A most interesting video, I learned a lot that I didn't know, respect to the crews of the 2 ships, condolences to their friends & families for those who lost their lives.
Thank you. You give a context to these two incidents.
Wow. Great Lakes Freighters frequently see sea states like that.
A+ grading here Sal! Mainstream media have yet to do a report this detailed!
You truly are the Blancolirio of the sea!
I envy your students if you are just as thorough with their material!
Mainstream media will never report this detailed.
German news have had it, but I didn't see any in the swedish ones at that time either! Checked last evening before going to bed ^^'
Of all the things you don't want falling off your ship.
it is not very typical, I want to make that point...
Is the ship right wwwww
@@Dangrousfreedom_peacfulslavery No, it's very wrong
Sir, thank you for your excellent commentary.
This is outstanding! As a layman, I found it deeply infomative!
Great stuff Sal, no question the war is having an effect. Having been on the Sea of Azov as well as the Black Sea, there is a huge difference. Mr Jack
Sanctions sink ships
@@Ged-v8i No, illegally invading another country which leads to a series of events that forces you to put unsuitable ships to sea sinks ships.
@@nickrailsIf only. Nothing had an effect on it cause these vessels were doing so for decades, after river shipping became dead with the fall.
I was waiting for your video.
Thanks again Sal. Yeh I saw this news report yesterday and was wondering how soon you'd release a take on here.
Fascinating. I knew nothing about these matters, which you explained clearly.
Good report. I saw one other post about the shortening of the 2 ships glad you found it also.
Worth mentioning that the RIWS link to the White Sea has been cut since July after flooding washed out a chunky section of the White Sea/Baltic Canal including at least 2 Locks & a Pumping Station.
Good video, Sal. Just the facts. Thx!
Some of them are built so the front doesn’t come off…
Well, obviously not this one.
Not only. Liquid cargo can be compartmentalized to avoid this kind of spillage.
not the ruzzian ones
That would be the safe ones.
Some of you need to need watch some Clarke and Dawe, making comments that have nothing to do with whatever you're on about.
Great report, thank you Sal! Наши мысли и молитвы обращены к морякам и их семьям.
Wow. Great video Sal, thanks. Tragic that there was loss of life during this maneuver.
Your video of the ship about to loose its bow is a good illustration of the tragic Edmond Fitzgerald breakup in lake Lake Superior [Lake Gichi-Gami] "which does not give up its dead come the gales of November". The video is very similar I think to what the Fitzgerald engineering crew in the aft engine compartments saw of the bow and bridge, of their ship as she split even more violently in the middle. I was in an Atlantic hurricane in the bridge of my US destroyer as we came out of a three story wave. I afraid that the grey clouds would be the last thing I saw as we slid back into that wave minus our stern. As more information came out about the Edmond Fitzgerald's breakup that image came back each time as well. With it the feeling that image was the last thing the Edmond Fitzgerald's bow bridge crew saw.
Well made.
Thanks for the info 😊
Thank you Sal for your commentry and summary are invaluable, and I would be considerebly less informed without your channel.
Let's sit right down and hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip, that started on this tropic shore, aboard this tiny ship!
First time watcher - thanks for the details, you've explained it perfectly! Thanks so much!
I'm not a ship guy, but this video was both fascinating and informative. Thanks.
"Vasily! I told you not to pull that pin!"
Rog should I cut the red or the blue wire?
We are not a vehicle ferry !!!
one ping Vasily... one ping only please
- Vasily, don't hit the grenade with a hammer, it might explode!
- Don't worry, I have another one.
Thanks for the detailed explanation Sal👍
Excellent honest analysis. My congratulations to author.
Thanks sal
Great podcast, keep it up!
The insanity of war has caused yet more casualties.
My prayers to the victims and their families.
Brilliant and nuanced insights. I'm following your channel based on this single video. Thank you!
Thank You for everything that You do. The problem is that I don’t believe that Russia will do anything for cleaning up anything in the water.🙏🏽
Their version of sewage treatment is hundred meter poop fountains in their capital city…. Let’s not assume they can manage oil cleanups.
They have basically been deferring maintenance for the last two to three years.
Now consider the fact that their airplane fleet is in similar condition
I would walk.
How do you know that?
@@bruceparr1678 It was in the publicly available ordinary news when they invaded. They can't get parts due to the sanctions. And they can't get labor to do the maintenance since the high skill folks fled the country and the low skill folks were joining the military because the pay was crazy high.
So, only obvious critical maintenance and the rest gets deferred. And inspections? Lol. Come on- corruption is rampant. It's cheaper to "pass" inspections than do the repairs to really pass them.
@@bruceparr1678 IIRC 'official' aircraft parts have been embargoed. I'd not be insuring a Russian aircraft right now.
@@alisonwilson9749 The Russian made parts seem to be doing just fine. Probably better quality than what comes out of boeing.
It isn't their fault that they have had heavy sanctions placed on them. Sounds like you are blaming them for something they didn't do.
Interesting Sal mentioning the importance of the inland waterways to Russian transport.
@@chrisedwards2539 they've been important since at least viking times and how those guys ended up as the Varangian Guard in Byzantium.
Are they not important?
@@MisterPerson-fk1txYeah, those guys were the real deal, portaging their longships by hand over the watersheds from river to river. Stalin got soft by building canals and locks.
Great explanation of strategic issues👍
Excellent brief and total envy for the awesome maps! Thanks for sharing.
Reminds me of bit of our Great Lakes. They have some bad storms and the frequency and depth of the waves is different then open sea water. So what seems to happen is those long ore ships hit a certain frequency it really stresses the hull.
I am no expert on these things but the pointy bit at the front of the ship should be attached to the rest of the vessel right?
most days, yes
Fifty year old riverine ship on the Black Sea, what could go wrong? You’d think given the risk, the ships master would have been cognizant of the swells and bad weather.
It was either sail or go out the window.
vodka
Both reasons?
Either, both or not - Archer
Captain, please come over to this window. I need your assistance in a defenestration to other captains why they should shut up and follow orders.
Thank you so much for explaining all this! So cool to learn about this stuff!
As always your reporting gets into the underlying details. For example I didn’t know that the defences of the Kerch Bridge forced these inland vessels out into the open sea and destroyed them. Well done!
"Pull the lever Kronk! Not that leverrrrrr!"
“There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today,”
At least these ones didn't go boom!
A great quote. Very clever
@@alexandermonro6768 Didn't get a chance to, which is actually sad.
@@alexandermonro6768 unfortunately...
While I have sailed small watercraft (under literal sails), and am no expert in anything about ships…I’m pretty sure the bow is necessary.
See what happens when you put woodcarvers out of work by abandoning the tradition of ships' figureheads? A bodacious mermaid would never have let that happen.
Great video. Thanks for explaining why river ships are now going through Kerch Strait
Thank you Sal and the Algo gods for this fascinating and informative video.
when you get into the details it's so much worse that i first thought. the type of vessel, the history of bow failures, one in almost exactly the same place. it's beyond mere negligence. someone had to have given the order knowing it was unsafe. clearest indication i've seen yet of institutional brittleness. it raise all kinds of questions about the rest of the fleet, if thier ships are even insured anymore etc
Listen to the voice of the captain on the PA as the bow sinks. It's like he's seen this before and it's no big deal.
Well yes, not the first time or storm. Last time however.