What The Gun Industry Desperately Needs To Change & GunTuber Talk Round 2! Liberty Lounge Ep: 19
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- In this episode of the podcast we talk about some things the industry needs to change and we do a second round talking about being a guntuber!
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By Tim Kennedy's logic, since he's no longer part of the government (solider), he should no longer be trusted with any firearm.
That's because Tim Kennedy never got to the point where he wasn't an order follower. Or else he just started identifying with the the upper class says to speak
I am the machine 🇺🇸
Sponsorship is important to carefully select for sure. Any sponsors should be rock solid pro 2A. Screw Tim Kennedy and the USCCA😂😂😂
I love watching Honest Outlaw. Such a cool dude, he'll tell you if he doesn't like a brand or he'll say he's had issues in the past. Very honest, which is his brand!
That angstadt pdw review saved me a lot of dabloons
Honest O is the man! Love that dude
He comes across so obnoxious and couldn't stop saying that one dude was a sEaL... Completely turned me off so i don't watch him.
Tim Kennady is a worse guntuber than the Yankee Marshall.
Fuck me, that's a body-blow.
Wow, that's pretty damn bad😂
Words I live by: "If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything."
Good life advice👍🏻
First, best, or different. Tactical toolbox said that when I was first starting and it really helped me
I remember Administrative results was a small channel until he was featured in a couple garand thumb videos he blew up really fast. Thats the power of a good helping hand.
Another thing to note is the big channels have a lot of success with gun noobies. After a while in the hobby you can see who shills for the sponsors and who not. I hardly watch any of the pioneer guys of youtube anymore.
Admin was recently helping the small YT channel 110 SASS Actual. He never met him and featured him on his YT channel (main or second can’t remember) over several videos. Their chemistry was great. Now 110 SASS is blowing up. I thought that was cool that Admin did the same for somebody else.
I'm poor I have to watch a review before I buy something. I can't afford to buy a piece of crap.
Honest outlaw is my go to reviewer
I recorded a conversation with Tim Kennedy at the USCCA party during SHOT in 2023. I asked could I record him answering my concerns about him saying 18 year olds shouldn't be allowed to own AR15s. He said he supports the 2nd Amendment totally. I posted it on my channel. I look to see what activism work does he do that's pro 2nd Amendment? Being sponsored and paid by a firearm manufacturer isn't pro 2A advocacy on Tim's part. Veterans should be held to a higher standard when it comes to the Constitution because we swore to uphold the Constitution. We should be honest when it comes to reviewing life saving equipment. We can be honest without trashing the company.
TH-cam blocked my comment. I can’t see it. So I’ll use kindergarten words. Tim Kennedy is a poopoo head and USCCA is a stinky company.
From this channel it's Staccato money...😂
You need “The AK Guy” to chime in about your accuracy requirements. Brandon would be hilarious on one of your episodes.
I am a vet ,I could not agree more with Johnny on Kenedy. 100% and no I'm far from jealous. I simply see the second ammendment for what it is
I served with TK and he has always been a turd. We use to call him the dork. Until he won the bragg combative tournament nobody knew him. Then he went from the dork to douchebag
Oh, the irony of "do better" in the thumbnail next to the anti 2nd amendment guy😂
Interesting FACT. In the late 1960's (1967 - 68 ?) there was a couple gun reviewers that did not like the individuals and or the reviews that were being published in the top gun magazines of the time. They decided to publish their own magazine aimed entirely at factual info. In fact the gun magazine's name was "GUN FACTS". They were factual but totally brutal in their evaluations and opinions of products. So much so that they pissed off every gun manufacturer and or gun product supplier. Within 6 months the mag folded because no one would supply guns or products for review and advertisers canceled their ads and demanded they remove their products from the magazine. While reviews should be factual they must also be fair otherwise you will be out of business before long.
That's probably true considering human nature, but I wish I could have bought that magazine. Because I really want accurate reviews, that aren't beholden to any company's feelings. Agreed that they should be fair and have realistic expectations for whatever they're reviewing of course.
Chevron is dead!
Free Matt Hoover!!
The irony of a USCCA shill, who obviously felt like a total turd for slandering Kayla, talking about being disingenuous and screwing over their subscribers to make a buck. That was the funniest thing anyone said the whole video.
I’m curious about this. Seeing Kayla leave and now Clint.
The only man I trust in this space is Paul Harrell!!
Hickok45 was trustworthy when it came to the guns, but the NRA thing lasted a lot longer than it should've.
@@NoNo_IStay Boomers gonna boomer lol
As a smaller channel, 12,400 subscribers, who has been plugging away a few years now, It was interesting on your perspectives. One of the things you didn't really touch on was how TH-cam is doing the hardsell, encouraging creators to do shorts, have paid memberships and host sponsors. I started my channel as a hobby and a labor of love. I had to really think hard a few years ago before I monetized. Ad revenue helps to buy ammo, but I don't ever see making a living off of this and don't appreciate the powers that be at TH-cam to be pushing creators to create alternative revenue streams.
1moa or better is honestly making me question John’s reviews.
You’re not getting sub moa 10 round groups consistently without a dedicated gun built for accuracy with a good scope, great ammo, and a good stable rest/bench.
Idk what gas guns hes shooting that cost sub 1500 and are ACTUALLY 1moa.
1 - 3rd group being sub moa is NOT indicative of the gun being sub moa.
I try to do a deep dive down various rabbit holes to research on an item before I purchase it. With the run on silencers it tough. There I get into confirmed bias as how do I avoid more noxious gas. Radian charging handle: Check. Oh, wait this guy did that and it didn’t completely fix the problem. Okay, bootleg BCG. Looks in stock. Ordered. Now, shows back ordered.
I contact the manufacturer I ordered from. The machines are being moved, it will be a month or so.
Well should I try to find a trilug for my B&T APC9 Pro and use that as a house PCC?
Long story short, it is always a process of adaption. Or, as the song goes, “You can’t always get what you want.. “
To be honest. It took me a while, to understand what the Johnny B channel was about. At first, I was going, who is this Gomer Pyle guy? Keep at it as long as you have that passion!
I've never really liked that guy.
I was the one who asked the question about “milestones “ at GunCon. I try to bring the best content possible. I don’t do reviews but I think I will do a couple this year. I love watching all three of you guys. Thanks for being awesome!
Olight sent me a light for review. I did a video comparison with another light vs Olight. It stopped working afterwards. I made a video saying what happened. I'd rather be transparent about things that I review than stroke some company making crap products.
Hitler served in the military… 🤷🏽 jus sayin
Facts! He was also, surprisingly, kinda good at painting.
So did all his SS
it's always been BUYER BEWARE! Being a smart shopper is as important as being a SMART VOTER. You can do your own research. The RIFF between USCCA & AOR highlights what you are talking about. There is no shame in being a CAPITALIST. I have my favorite Guntubers and those that make me go OH, THAT BIAS AGAIN!
Great talk, great topics. These kinds of video formats are a refreshing change from the daily rinse and repeat of the gun world where every channel repeats the same review. Hope this kind of format gains traction.
Haha 😂 of course you added the number one hypocrite in the 2A world, good ole Tim Kennedy Lol 😂👎 thanks guys!!
Love you guys I'm a big fan of all 3 of you guys keep up the great work I can't get enough of Liberty Lounge 🤘
I get it guys. I was a cop from 1974 to 2021 (47) years. I could not name a cop show or movie during that time. Just wasn’t interested. I just saw Beverly Hills Cop a few days ago. Just the first one. Liberty Lounge is only lounge I go to anymore. Thanks Guys Richard
Thanks for another great video Guys.
The way I look at these podcasts is they're entertainment only, no real substance, and this isn't the only podcast that I see that way. I get advice from real guys and gals that have first hand experience in the subjects that they talk about. Remember people, it's entertainment.
Gentlemen, good show again today. I enjoyed seeing you on gun con just sitting here watching liberty lounge drinking my blackout coffee(blueberry crumble.) great way to start the day your show and blackout coffee.
It's always a pleasure watching and listening to you gentlemen.... I appreciate all you do. God bless, and keep rocking!!🫡
Nutnfancy will always be my favorite
The OG
Of course shills are going to be biased. They encouraged to do positive reviews in hopes of the company send more guns for reviews and pay more for reviews
Johnny, the word is "beholden".
Just came across channel black hills project. Free advertising for staccato the whole show lol. I watch ton of videos even on gear I don’t have just to be more knowledgeable about it. Took your advice and took a young beginner out. He kept saying he needed to upgrade and get new equipment without really knowing how to use it. Got him on a timer and the weaknesses were very noticeable and he knew it. It made it fun and now he understands just get out and train and save as you go for that new setup
When Johnny told me that most people are watching after the bought the item it kind of made me take a step back. I find myself doing all the research before any purchase, and after I buy something and develop my own opinion of it. I come back to reviews to seem if anyone else is experiencing the same feelings. I would agree it's definitely a lot of work to perform fair tests on guns. Like you have to make multiple trips, film multiple days, compile and edit everything. As a newer creator expect to be in the red for a long time, of which I am still in the red and plan on being in it for a while. The people that end up compromising their integrity for the money early on are the ones that don't end up sticking around.
If I was going to only watch 1 reviewer...1911 Syndicate.
I've heard other youtubers claim that as well, about us watching videos to see if it's more us researching a future purchase, or getting our purchased Bias supported by insert youtuber here. I suppose you might bias watch for your first few purchases, but then wise up after you get over the idea that you couldn't possibly have bought a bad product.
But part of that is also, good/bad according to what metric? Because all of the channels are using different metrics, then yeah clearly different products will be good/bad accordingly. And for a lot of us normies, we're just trying to learn what the metrics are and at what level we sit at.
You guys inspired me to start my own channel! It’s small right now (605) subscribers, and I cover other hobbies of mine besides firearms, but I’m really enjoying what I’m doing. I’m hoping to grow bigger soon.
I like the honest outlaw podcast.
Since I turned 50 and the eye doctor told me my arms aren't long enough to see my front pistol sight crystal clear I put an optic on everything. I have custom competition gunsmith built $2K+ AR that MIGHT shoot sub MOA on a bench with match ammo. 🤣
Alabama Arsenal is my Go To reviewer. They have similar taste to what I like, well produced videos, use the firearms in a way I would use them, and just overall Chill. Love their videos.
Problem on alot of channels is non gun guys reviewing guns. Owning guns or a product and being invested doesnt exactly spew knowledge or proficiency. Know your reviewers context and where theyre coming from
I never make a decision based on one or two reviews. I also shop where I can test the firearm.
I do not buy a gun without watching several different reviews.
The ones with 10k ish views are often better than the ones who regularly see 500k.
I think sponsored reviews will inherently thumb the scale to a degree no matter who, and thats not to throw shade. But at this point lots of review channels have grown to be entertainers, and their new job is to entertain. If i want the big picture i try to surf through smaller names along with the big names and compare notes to see how a new gun stacks up, but even that is futile sometimes because ill see 400 positive reviews across the board, buy the gun, then get flooded with hate posting about how bad it is after i spend the money.
Honest Outlaw, Tactical Considerations and for the old school stuff I still like Nutnfancy.
I watched all the videos on the SA Echelon after I bought it. I even had one of the 20 round magazines vomit thr bullets and the spring on the ground. Once I assembled the magazine properly, it ran flawlessly.
You guys are absolutely right in terms of my behavior. I watch a couple of reviews before I buy a gun and then all the rest to confirm my brilliant decision. I hate on the TH-camrs that don't confirm my genius. 😁
In regards to magazines - the manufacturers are missing the boat....They should put two in the box, and then have a deal when the person goes online to register the gun for warranty, they can buy an extra magazine and they get a free t-shirt or hat (or both) with the company logo on it. - Lots of folks would jump on this, and the maker gets long-term advertising and very little cost.
I’m cool with some guns having a break in period. Like a precision gun getting more accurate once it’s leaded. Maybe a handgun that fits super tight having a few failures in the first 100-200.
More mags when they don’t take AR or Glock mags should be standard.
Irons on ARs I don’t want tbh. I’d rather save the money and get what I specifically wanted for the gun.
110sasactual is the newest goat for youtube.
Brass facts and Hop (also Nova).Two wicked sharp regular guys and their findings in training and gear with very little "Gushing' over the latest trends and said gear. Lots of 'tism and snark. Worth a look .
Great video, I always appreciate the insight on the industry. I personally don’t care if the reviewer purchased or was provided the firearm. PS I also don’t have a Staccato
Gunthots is my jam
"A HIT DOG WILL HOLLER".............
I used to watch reviews after i bought a gun but years ago, I don't even remember which gun it was, but I bought it and it sucked, and I watched reviews and everyone's sucked. That was the last gun I bought without research, I always watch reviews first now.
I'm going to be honest. There are a lot of gun tubers who believe that their opinion is worth more than the general public. We are all biased about certain things. The firearm industry has become increasingly less advancement and more about how much money is to be made. This is fine if there's innovation. We keep seeing the same old products, the same old platforms, the same old reviews. This industry has suppressed itself more than any outside force.
Running a business you should be able to run whatever ads you want. The people should do their homework on the ad if they want to pursue. True content comes from your guys true review of a product
I own a few weapons. I do not own any type of optic. I have been hunting for over 40 years with open sites. Have been very successful at it. Not saying I've never missed, just not often.
If the shoe fits, wear it Cinderella
I will, thank you. Hopefully it has a more resilient sole than my last pair.
Nutnfancy was the first person i subscribed to on you tube when i was 17, it was on a folding knife review. Im 28 now, and i stiil watch a lot of his stuff. He's a total goober, but he's an OG.
Mr G&G all day..
Tactical Considerations and then Tactical Toolbox.
I think the worst shills are the ones that not only copy more the popular trends from years back to get more subscribers to sell out to but refuse to disclose any sponsorship. Best example of this is Johnny Q. He pretends like he has been carrying cheap Chinese products that haven’t released yet his entire life. Refuses to mention ANY sponsorship and 3 million of his fan eat up that brain rot.
His channel has been killed by TH-cam, but supersetca for optics reviews as well as hop and brass facts and Clint when he was at classic firearms
Dang that confirmation comment went to the bone 😂love you all together and as individually (have your pets spayed and neutered)does this include furry?
😂 yeah, I have to agree with Jared's MOA comments on the A K 😂 I would add tho, seems senseless to install a scope on one. Spray and pray 😂😂
Johnnie this is Comifornia and I will tell you spitting our way as much as you want, still has to go through the dealer and then they might ship it to our Address in some very seldom Sean way or Form ,The Golde State In Full Action 😮😂
You guys should have guests!
5:00 in:
I am SO GLAD to finally hear someone other than myself say that it doesn't F'ing matter what your job title or demographic is. Your character is what matters, not a box you check. Go watch the Civil Rights Lawyer's latest video about a judge who constantly gets pulled over for DUI.
22:25 I would really appreciate if you three did a video listing as many Guntubers as possible and maybe giving them a rating on overall content. I would like to expand my information database to include some new Guntubers I've never watched.
Apparently I live very close to Iraqveteran8888. He has a store in the town I grew up in. I would absolutely do almost anything to get the chance to hang out with him, learn from him, and shoot with him.
34:30 speaking of the way things are made, I don't like how hard it is to find good, quality made holsters for so many makes and models.
41:50 I do the electrical work for my BIL who owns a printing company. I've watched him grow his business and it's made me second-guess going into business for myself. It's not easy. You wouldn't know that unless you did it yourself or watched someone do it.
With me when buying a handgun. Is that I look at how reliable it is. And how hard or easy it is to fine a holster. And what the price of magazines and availability of magazines
Watch the Hornady on group sizes. Long story short, 3 shot groups are not representative of rifle accuracy. Not a lot of rifles actually shoot sub moa
I say keep talking tim Kennedy, especially if he throws us all under the buss
It seems like Tim has been trying to backpedal lately. People should keep making fun of him.
I would honestly much rather pay a little extra and send my slide to get mailed directly for the object specifically that I want and not use those damn plates, those are a failure point and I don't consider failure an option when it's a self-defense device!
Sage Dynamics, Colion Noir to be entertained
Revolvers should get speed loaders.
I like Clint on classic firearms miss him
I think the cost of middle men is a killer for a lot of products and companies. That's why PSA, though not flawless, has a great model, and provides much better products than their price "peers"
I can attest to watching gun reviews videos AFTER having bought the gun, basically, just looking to hear about what a good decision I made buying the gun.
It's more of a showcase than a review.
A perfect example is of the M1A. I wanna believe my Springfield I spent good money building out is a sub MOA awesome do it all badass rifle.
It isn't. Its like 4 MOA, has design flaws and is incredibly easy to shift zero. It's a bitter pill but at least i'm not ignorant of it and I appreciate the reviewers pushing that gun hard to bring it to my attention.
It's a spoonful of Robitussin. Bitter but necessary. It keeps me from living in an echochamber of delusion.
Algorithmic engagement comment.
Goonzquad is a car channel with 2.6m subs and they still shoot their content with their phones. (Sorry about so many comments for one video, I'm old and I comment as I watch or I'll forget what I was going to say.🤣😂).
What’s your sisters channel Johnny? My wife is always reading or using audiobooks, 100+ a year. Books are so popular now, I would like to see her channel grow.
What if the shooter can't shoot sub moa?
I should write something Funny and or Clever 🤔 hmmmm 🤘🤠🤘
When is Anthony moving to Tennessee?
Demolition ranch
Ak made for stay and pray most guns are more accurate than the shooter
Colion Noir
Im just waiting to find out who the fed is. Someone in guntube has to be a fed
Johnny, do you think you are living on the streets in San Francisco?
Favorite reviewer is Honest Outlaw
5:23
The correct answer to this is: "So fucking what?"
Who tee who and Ron sponner
AKs are dog shit in the US...if I lived in the middle east yes 100% I'd proudly weild an AK47. I'd own multiple. In the US however I don't see the point of a sub par system and a sub par BC .30 cal round when .308 exists. Love this channel guys keep killing it!
Nutnfancy, feature length or bust
Tim Kennedy bottoms for David Hogg
Assuming the one you will discuss later sells insurance in our industry 😅
Understanding professionalism, and not wanting to call out. Too many crappy TH-camrs, would you guys be willing to just run down a list of channels you would currently endorse and you don't feel our shills? To be fair, some guys are great online, but if you know them in real life, you wouldn't be friends with them. I feel that way about the ASP guy, & I know him. Johnny, did you rep Nutrient Survival? Or was that 30 day test just for personal reasons?