RE: Punk Rock MBA - Why YOU Should Listen To Metal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 พ.ย. 2024
- I thought this guy said some dumb stuff, so I responded. I just wanted to show that he doesn't really know what he's talking about regarding metal music. If you've never listened to metal before, I'd recommend that you give it a chance.
Here are links to the channels I mentioned. Go check them out if you want.
/ @wyattxhim
/ @rautametal
/ brainsmasher666
/ hipsterblackmetalofficial
PS: I had fun making this, but I don't see myself ever making a response video like this again.
edited by wazy
/ wazykin
Punk Rock MBA sometimes forgets that metal music exists also outside North America.
He's said before he knows of other metal scenes but doesn't care about them
@@Sergio-nb4hj He also said that the European scene was like 10 years behind in metal lmao
Metal and Punk and Hardcore... Yeah that's his biggest flaw by far, he thinks music only exists in US and ignorantly and hypocritically mocks about EU's bands
@@synco1732 he's and ignorant with a big mouth definitely
Yea I never really understood his mocking of Europeans.
If anything metalheads would LOVE more black metalheads. Because it would give us another bridge between cultures
Come up and visit the N/W, we have metalheads of all races meeting up in the pit. With some Sir-Mix-a-Lot on top.
It's not like metal hasn't flirted hip-hop, electronic music, harsh noise, jazz, classical or theatrics before.
When metal flirted with hip hop, elitists hated it. They still hate it.
@@darrieonmoore3609 Fuck what they think. People are allowed to love both and be stoked about a scene that takes the best of both worlds.
@@FairyCRat people can like whatever they want, but that doesn't make poser bullshit into real metal.
@@429supercj I hate that people like you still exist to this day. It's stupid to write a band off as "poser bullshit" just because their instrumention steps outside the traditional boundaries of metal.
@@FairyCRat I said you can like whatever you want it sounds like you like stuff that's not metal and try to pretend it is
It's frustrating when big channels like Punk Rock MBA and Become The Knight get on their soapboxes for a genre that they're clearly not even that into. Thanks for making this video, man.
Become the knight is such a shitty channel
I don't know why your frustrated tbh it's just music takes. I mean that's just how I see it. Sorry if your upset by this comment but that's just my opinion about how I see it.
Become the Knight is so much worse. The dude eats, sleeps and shits prog and nothing else. The guy shits on tent pole bands in the genre like Black Sabbath simply because they’re not playing in 420/69 time with a million and a half tempo changes. Definition of the insufferable prog fan
@@BloodOnTheDisco Except those guys are just sad trolls
@@BloodOnTheDisco because they're horrenodus and trendsetters of shitty trends
As someone who considers himself a fan of both trapmetal and actual metal, thanks for making this video. It clears up a ton of common misconceptions people have. I can also confirm that trapmetal is primarily based in hip-hop with some influences from metal and punk among others, rather than it being a subgenre of metal. The influences of trapmetal artists are more clearly prevalent when artists such as Zillakami (who I would consider the most influential and well-recognized artist in the scene) branch off into other types of music. His non-trap music specifically tends to show a greater influence from punk and grunge than anything else.
Yeah i hundred percent agree with this, trap metal is like nu metal but opposite nu metal is more metal based and trap metal is rap based , they're similar in a way
cool enough a lot of Trap Metal artists are kinda going in the direction of Nu Metal. @@williamsantiago9480
ok, as someone who enjoys rap, metal, and punk; Punk Rock MBA pisses me off. Mostly because his name is a misnomer, he is obsessed with marketing and things breaking into the mainstream. Which is antithetical to the very concept of punk. He's a CEO Executive wearing band shirts and baseball caps and he needs to stop pretending he isn't.
I absolutely agree. For someone to be in the scene as long as he has and judge punk by popularity is utterly baffling.
I mean it makes sense he's apart of the business side of music and since he's been apart of the scene for so long he has seen what makes music last in long term. If u want people to be able to make a career out of music you have to a) actually become popular enough outside of your niche audience to make enough money to keep pursuing music b) have to have a steady rotation of new bands being given opportunities to ensure the genre doesn't die out when all the legacy bands disband or have members enter the next plane c) be interesting personality wise or music wise ie if ur gonna sound like everyone else in ur genre at least be charismatic enough to draw attention to your group or if ur not charismatic enough at least have an interesting sound that separates u from the rest of the groups.
As much as people may not like it every genre needs at least 2 or 3 bands that break into the mainstream to draw in more people to the genre to then boost up the lesser known more niche bands
@@almondex7831 shut up
excellent response
I dont know why Finn use Spotify listeners as an argument. Kreator, one of the biggest thrash metal bands ever has 400k followers, a lot less than the trap artist that Finn mentioned. Does that mean Kreator is less influential than those trap artists?
Popularity does not mean good. Metallica's Black Album is the most popular Metallica album, but their fans will tell you that the first 4 albums are the real deal.
I know very well popularity doesn't mean you have to like it but It's 30 years later and The Black Album has still survived. Can't you just admit you're beat and move on with your life? I mean it doesn't affect your life so why even bother about it in the first place?
@@johnjoefitzpatrick8483 yeah but it is dad rock and made for mainstream and non metal audiences
@@dimitrisanastopoulos8957 So everything mainstream is bad?
"Popularity does not mean good."
YES! The fact that Finn opens his mouth to support the opposite of this statement makes me think that he can't be much of a punk rock fan. Genres/Scenes like Metal are not about being 'relevant'. I always assumed this was something we all learned at 13 years old when first got into this scene.
@@johnjoefitzpatrick8483 of course The Black Album survives. Its one of the most popular albums ever, but the albums that influenced thrash metal and death metal and played an important part of metal development were always the first 4 albums.
Punk Rock MBA's audience consists of Vice-reading, chai latte slurping hipsters that want to be 'different' yet also fit into established pc-agenda. This guy knows exactly who his audience is and how to cater them the stuff they want.
THIS. Another commenter said this and I agree. He's pandering to kids that are too young to get into shows and are just dipping their toes into the "Dark Alternative" community. There's been a trend recently of 40-somethings rising up on TH-cam doing this. They know that these kids don't have any experience IRL, and will just eat up everything they say because they're older than they are.
But anyone over 30 knows better.
Finn is a man of so many hypocrisies:
-He prides himself on his background of punk and hardcore, yet champions so many of the mainstream music industry mechanisms that his scene actively opposed and rebelled against
-He mocks rap metal from the late 90's/early 00's, yet thinks the metal crowd needs to be more open and accepting of trap and other modern rap styles
-He recently made a video on doom metal and criticized it for all sound "like Black Sabbath", when he's a fan of slam which is literally an entire subgenre of hardcore that is centered around ripping off a Suffocation song.
you forgot to add "fart-sniffing: to that list lol, he always sounded so pretentious and sanctimonious when it came to metal.
These comments are so teenage white boy 😂
@@filthyidol3206 Go back to California, liberal!
As a metalhead I certainly hope Trap Metal is NOT the FUTURE!
even if it does, the underground will continue to prosper my brother
If it is then why does it matter?
Don't worry Trap Metal is not Metal and never will be.
@No One oooo good one
@No One I think they were actually asking a question though
His Discord is also sus as FUCK. Its him impressing teens that are new to punk with his pseudointellectual horseshit and the second an older person comes in with any different opinion he bans you.
That’s fucked up.
That's because he's taking advantage of these kids that are too young to participate in their local scene. He knows that he can say whatever he wants and they'll worship him. He attacks and silences anyone else with just as much experience and knowledge because those kids might start to see the truth.
It doesn't matter because once these kids get old enough to go to shows and music festivals they'll see the truth for themselves.
Lol he's a weirdo, i think he started talking to his wife before she was 18 and he was like 30 something lol
Does MBA not fathom that a genre doesn't need to be "metal" to be extreme in some regard? Heilung for instance, they use absolutely no modern instruments that could qualify them as a metal band, but the spirit of their music is extreme and cathartic (not to mention, really good stuff).
its funny because one of the reasons he won't listen to black metal is because of the nsbm scene but also downplays the racist elements of punk or even folk and country music. The funny thing is that he claims to come from the punk and hardcore world and nazi punk is a very real thing.
I mean I thought he also complimented Black Metal too, this is coming from a black metal fan so I am just trying to tell you how I see it.
Also he’s a right wing reactionary lol. So I wonder how much he really dislikes the nazis
@@baptizednblood6813same thing with his wife.
@@talesxavier5752 What about his wife?
He's in his forties, by the way, same age as I am. From what he pumps out recently I have a strong feeling that he's not at ease with his age, probably with midlife pounding on the door, and therefore desperately trying to pander to "the kids".
Yup that's what Finn does.
People who blindly hate on whatever the newer generations are doing are annoying and cringy af. But Finn shows that doing the exact opposite, is equally as bad.
literally showing us his midlife crisis on cam lulz
Hit the nail right on the head haha, good aim
What’s up, fellow kids?
I’m surprised you didn’t bring up suffocation when talking about other skin colors in metal because suffocation is a well respected death metal band and the drummer and lead guitar player are black and I don’t think I ever heard anybody complain about that band for having black members because suffocation is fucking awesome
Certainly low hanging fruit for my argument - in the death metal world anyways. Everyone knows/loves Suffocation - myself included. They definitely could’ve fit there.
13:37 😤I'm mad he brought the race card into this, Immediately I'm like "Dumbass, have you not seen the early thrash, death, crossover and hardcore punk scenes?!" i'm not even American, but even I know of the fact that some of these bands had musicians of different minorities.
They weren't added there just fill a quota of "Get at least one or two Black American or Latin American people in our band so that people think we're diverse, accepting and inclusive.", it was because these guys had a love and passion for the music and wanted play in a band professionally, it was because all these guys respected each other as musicians and wanted to help grow the bands regardless of personal, cultural, political or religious beliefs.
Obvious examples: Slayer's Tom Araya, Metallica's Kirk Hammet and Rob Trujillo, Morbid Angel's Pete Sandoval, Terrorizer's Jesse Pintado and Oscar Garcia, Suffocation's Mike Smith and Terrence Hobbs, Amon Amarth's Martin Lopez, Oceano's Adam Warren etc.
Finn is like the stereotype of an American in thinking that the US is the center of the world and everything that happens in it also happens in the rest of the world
Meanwhile I sit there listening to him talking about Christian rock and metal bands that were huge in the US but nowhere else.
I mean there can even differences in sound of genre depending on what nation they're coming from.
German Thrash, Brazilian Thrash and US Thrash all have distinct sound while being Thrash.
And there's trap metal which may be and new pretty cool, I enjoyed Ghostmane for quite a while but Rap is a much less consistent genre imo.
What was popular 3 years ago, seems to pretty obscure and outdated.
Metal is more long lasting, as the name already suggests.
I mean even the hype genres like glam and nu metal went on for a decade
I think rap is much more popular than metal nowadays.
All my favorite trap metal producers live in Russia so idk bro
@matriaxpunk he meant rap produces far more material and music in a short period of time, but people forget about their work much more quickly. Rap songs blow up quickly in radioplay and Spotify appearances, but quickly gets discarded and replaced in 6 months
not even remotely true on the rap part thats hindsight bias
@@guyfauks2576I bet you are still thinking about Not Like Us and thats why you think rap lasts so long😂
My biggest issue with punk rock MBA is the fact that he passes his videos off as a psychologist perspective. He makes it sound like he put his opinions through a scientific lense, even though most of his opinions are basic and completely generalized. The fact that every video he points out how psychology based his opinions are really says it all.
His argument for Spotify listens is that it's not music industry, it's an entertainment business. Thus artists need to make ripples in the water, basically making headlines, being famous and all that.
The thing I always disagree the most with Finn about is that he doesn’t think extreme metal has good songwriting, and that we all listen to it just because of “the riffs” or “the vocal athletics”, which is the biggest pile of bullshit I’ve ever heard, it’s just because Finn doesn’t seem to get that songwriting goes beyond pop-hooks.
Some years ago, I met a black Judas Priest fan in Seattle's SODO district who hugged me when he saw my Iron Maiden shirt because he knew where I was coming from. He proudly showed me his copy of the 'Nostradamus' album by the Priest, which I had seen performed on the tour at that time. This dispelled the idea that metal was "racist".
"by design there's literally no melody in the music" "once you've heard one song in the genre you've heard them all" my guy WHAT????
the type of take you'd hear from someone who doesn't like metal and never really listened to metal beyond surface level bands. which, you know, is exactly the case with that fucking clown.
damn, on the minorities, suicidal tendencies are way respected in the scene. not only that, but so were infectious grooves and the bassist is with metallica now.
It's crazy to think but Trujillo is the longest tenured bassist that Metallica has ever had.
@@A77-c5h he's also more talented than the rest of the band combined
There isn’t many people more self righteous than Finn. I cannot get on with him at all.
I quite like a lot of Punk Rock MBA videos, but he does have some weird ideas about metal for sure.
Yeah, I find his videos about the things he actually knows about pretty fine and entertaining but oh boy this dude has no idea about metal.
Hes a punk rocker what do you expect
@@diamondobsession7551 He is not even a punk rocker, he said in one of his videos that he mostly listens to pop music.
@@Hy-jg8ow aaaaaaw wtf bruh thats disgusting
@@Hy-jg8ow in a response to a comment responding to something he said in his video, them calling him out for his opinion on the genre, forgot which, he said he mostly listens to rap, which i cant say is untrue, but i just find it hard to believe. You fall down a rabbit hole and explore it more than usual maybe i do it sometimes, but to change entirely what the main thing you listen to is and its always convenient for an argument, however in this response it was totally irrelevant so. Idk
Great response! And excited to listen to all these new band recommendations 🤘
Damn, this rules! Haven't heard anything this sick since Limp Bizkit!
Yeah brother! Limp Bizkit!
Suffocation is a legendary Death Metal band with Black members.
Anyone who claims that metal has been stagnant for years, haven't actually listened to metal.
With the amount of technology out there nowadays any metalhead can download a DAW get good guitar and bass VSTs plus drums and other plugins for their own project. That’s the future of metal I’m seeing, but if metalheads don’t break away from the old head mentality of needing a full band to play shows then “trap metal” will be the future
well said
When marketing means more to you than the music
I only give Finn’s video credit in that it makes sense if you’re interested in metal being mainstream, aka Guns N’ Roses and Metallica in the early 90’s. I think that’s what Fin is arguing for and his arguments are actually mostly right if that’s the goal.
Honestly though, i sometimes wonder if recapturing the mainstream focus that Metal held in the 80’s and early 90’s is important anymore. Fins entire video and conception of things is still based in that old monoculture pre-internet universe. I feel like most metal heads are fine and happy with metal existing in its own ecosystem separate from the mainstream it even outside world. I’m in my late 30’s so i do occasionally miss when Metal was on top of the world commercially. I get Fins points but he has faulty logic and inconsistencies
I’ve personally dealt with racists in the metal community, but it was subtle and never blatant. You get the “Name 3 songs” types of people, the “You look like (insert black celebrity here), people, knowing good and damn well you don’t, and you get the “I thought you guys were gonna play soul songs, so I left.”, types at shows.
I think PR-MBA almost manages to make a point there, but he mishandles his own argument and it devolves into a really broad generalization of "metal fans are racist as fuck"
With those types of people, it's always best to just pay them no mind anyway. Metal can be inclusive, but only if the people agree on said inclusivity, at least that's what I've noticed anyway. Hails \m/🤘🏽🤘🏽\m/
That is fucked man, I'm really sorry to hear that. There's a lot of phobic bullshit in metal unfortunately
Metal absolutely has conservatives and racists that can irritate you with their ignorance. I'd never deny that. My issue with Finn is that he pretends Trap is some woke paradise. These guys (including the white artists) say the N word 100 times in every song and Trap metal is the most misogynist music genre to come along in a long time. Finn's a hypocrite.
There's no denying there are quite a few racist metalheads but honestly, who cares. Just listen to the awesome music and try not to engage with the fan base too much if you don't want such encounters.
MBA is the biggest loser in the YT metal scene. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s forgotten about in a year or so. I hope to see more content from Eddy Metal though, the channel format stands out to me! Huge variety here too.
You can really tell this Goof McKinty used to write for Metalsucks.
I'm not a metal fan, because it just doesn't appeal to me, but it's very interesting to listen to other musical perspectives and communities
Hello there Dr. Robert, I like your musically open-minded comment and noticed that you are a big Beatles fan...just wanted to recommend the legendary band Type O Negative from Brooklyn, NY (US) to you for a listen. They mix a variety of genres and classic eras (60s, 70, 80s, 90s) into their own unique sound...even covered 'Seals and Croft, The Status Quo, Black Sabbath, Santana, and even The Fab Four (Daytripper/She's So Heavy medley). I think you would at least respect them for their creativity in the metal genre and having one of the greatest (and tallest -ha) vocalists with an insane range and delivery. Let me know what you think if you get the time!! -Devon
As a nearly extinct fan of both The Beatles and Extreme Metal I appreciate your appreciation 🤘
Also, fin clearly lives in the Midwest because as a Southern California native, ALL I EVER SEE is Hispanic and black folks at shows! White peoples are there of course but not the majority. The racial divide in the bands and show attendees are pretty reflective of the surrounding demographics WHICH MAKES SENSE.
Metal is, hands down, the most racially inclusive and diverse genre of all modern music. Period
Not even close to hiphop in being inclusive.
Metal went boring cuz them mfs ain't experimenting anymore. I'm sorry but that's true. It's a stagnant pool that stinks
@@codeytherex5954 you’re just not listening to enough metal, don’t know where to look
He lives in Seattle
@@theogonia1983 he’s actually from Seattle. But of course the northwest is the whitest part of the country. The last death metal concert I went to in Seattle had only one black guy, same in Portland
@@codeytherex5954 metal is supposed to be stinky and stagnant and rotting
Real ones listen to whatever they want and don't pay attention to numbers or public perception
"once you've heard one song in the genre you've kinda heard them all" absolutely not, considering not just all the metal subgenres but even within one band there can be tons of variety.
Great video. Finn just needs to stop making metal videos and focus on pop. I don’t get why he just can’t except that metal will never be acceptable and accessible to most people and will always thrive because of dedicated fan bases. And it has its popular outbursts every so often but it will always be an underground culture with so many different genres and subgenres.
As a pop fan, I second this.
Soo trve, there’s plenty of extreme metal that has a unique share of melodic elements. Arch enemy, Dissection, korpiklanni, At the Gates and etc are great examples
Korpiklaani is not extreme metal though, but apart from that you’re right.
@@kasperjepsen2917 Ik, I meant like metal of other kind too.
I listen to black metal. I’ll stick with that bud.
Based
black metal is garbage
Punk Rock MBA doesn't even understand Punk Rock. Punk isn't supposed to be mainstream, either.
He has a curious fixation on pop and hip music trends.
He's a male Erin Mucklow. And the original meaning of punk is slave
as a metalhead who listens to trap metal, I find myself having to gatekeep both genres: metal from the rap fans who think trap metal is a metal subgenre and see themselves as metalheads, and trap metal from the rappers who call their music trap metal despite not listening to any metal and not even trying to do metal vocals
Me too
Excellent video man!! I can't stand that Finn guy. Why does it even matter if metal-heads embrace Trap-Metal??? If the Trap-Metal artists and their following of fans enjoy and believe in the music themselves...why expect an established genre to go out of their way to accept a new style music ??? Finn 'was' only into a few metal bands in his teens and thinks metal fans are generally stupid, racist, and uneducated (he is 45 and has a flat-billed cap...I wouldn't listen to anything he says about any subject...unless he worked at a skateboard shop).
Effigy of the forgotten as an intro? you, you are a good guy !!!
Having my musical roots in punk I was subbed to Finn for a long time. Some of his hot takes started to grate after a while though. Then he put out a video shitting all over prog rock/metal, essentially calling it all pretentious (ok, fair) and uninteresting and I noped out. The guy that can find redeeming qualities in crunk core has issues with dream theater, rush and tool? 🤔
Never knew he said this. That has to be his second worst take and I don't even listen to prog much. His worst take had to be he did not not get into traditional heavy metal because it is less heavy then bands like Sepultura. That makes sense if he has only listened to punk and metal for 1 or 2 years but this guy has been listening to metal for decades.
Your point at around 20:50 is absolutley true. I'm 17 and used to watch a lot of The Punk Rock MBA's Videos and even tough i was still listening to Metal (both new and old) i often had this feeling that told me "Yeah i bet a bunch of bigoted idots are listening with me right now, but I'm not one of them".
This is exactly the kind of hate and bullshit mentality that he pretends to be against. And then i went to Knotfest this June, worried because a voice that sounded like him told me :"They're gonna hate you, cause you are dressed like a total normie".
And then i had the best day of the Summer, with every one i talked to patting me on the back with a "Hell yeah, brother, glad you're here".
So thanks for making me love metal more.
"NO! How about you don't like the way metal sounds and I don't like the way rap sounds. It's as simpel as that!" THANK YOU YES!! All is good and settled!
You can tell Punk Rock MBA listens to Minor Threat...
least racist minor threat fan
Im 50 years old….I grew up on Maiden, Priest, Black Sabbath, Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Kreator, Exodus, Overkill…i love the modern metal bands like Arch Enemy, Opeth, JinJer, Skull Fist…And this dude Finn…is what we called a poser back in the day….he completely trashed old school metal. Cant stand the guy….I agree with you 100%
To be honest I love a lot of Punk Rock MBA's videos. But I really like your take on this Video. Because I'm an old Metalhead who has spread over the years Info nearly every genre. There is so much to discover. 🤘🤘🤘
punk rock nba the kinda guy that called screamo, marilyn Manson death metal in the early 2000s
Lol I'm from LA and the stereotype when I was in school is that the majority of thrashers were Mexicans.
Yeah I think Finn contradicts himself often.
I think his worst self-contradiction is in his video "rock fans are mad at MGK again"
In the beginning, he says: "remember, there is no such thing as an overnight success, lots of things that seem that way were actually 10 years in the making."
Alright Finn, got it.
Later in that same video, he says that rock and metal festivals are too slow to accept new bands, since BMTH are just now starting to headline festivals even though they formed around 2003.
WHICH IS IT, FINN?!
2 Years later Trap metal was just another fad that came and went
um not really
@@noiqu4149 Yes really, absolutely nothing of Trap Metal is memorable.
I would never call suicide boys trap metal they're more of the earlier wave of dark trap horror core when it was popular when raider clan was a thing and spider gang as well they're more of a collectors of guys who do everything and don't give a fuck with people think
These aren't real genres
I love that you mentioned Heathen Beast. Also this video made some good points.
Don't explain anything to a 50 year old that behaves like a teenager, it's a waste of time
I was wondering if there was any push back to the MBA out there. Apparently so.
For the record, I do enjoy Fin, but MAN! Sometimes the logic of his assertions beg for an intelligent rebuttal. And now I know where to look for that🤘
The ironic thing is that Loathe is bigger now than pretty much every trap metal artist except Ghostemane
Lmao yeah I used to think I didn't like music until I started listening to metal. I suddenly discovered so many bands and songs that I loved. I guess I just didn't discover any music that I liked before.
He must forget about Whitechapel. Phil Bozeman is a big rap fan. Hell, you can hear rap influences in their music. Just listen to This Is Exile or Possession and you can hear a flow to the lyrics.
I can't tell you how much I enjoy and appreciate this video
I'll say this being a lifelong metal head & a fan of hip hop until a few years ago. I think it's just a big deal right now because of how the internet handles music now a days & it's big mainly with younger people. It'll probably be done being a big deal in a few years.
If it were the future of metal you'd see upcoming metal bands adding trap elements and not the other way around. It's the future of trap and guys like Finn McFarthy or whatever he's called wants "Metalheads" to accept it to add cred to the movement.
There's nothing LESS "punk rock" than caring for Spotify numbers and making Clickbait® Content
WEll spoken! People have to know the difference between opinion and fact. You do.
Punk Rock MBA is just a super woke marketing guy. and in his video he is trying to market trap metal. easy to ignore him really, its like listening to Nike telling me about fair working conditions for children.
When you don't know what woke is
Well put! Thanks for making it. It seems the punk rock mba gets marketing and music confused.
I love how he mentions collabs... like Body Count and Slayer? Baby Metal and Rob Halford?
The Behind The Meme of music channels
I can see that
I don’t usually comment but I have really been sitting on this criticism for a while. Fin has no right to call himself the punk rock mba due to the way he gauges relevance. There is no way a punk can judge the genre based on popularity and monthly listeners when many influential bands are extremely underground, which he preaches on the regular. No, Avril lavigne is not a better punk artist than minor threat. The genre wasn’t made by rockstars getting famous. And just because it got big doesn’t mean it was the intention of the movement. When people like fin use sellouts like green day as the spokespeople for the genre known for being anti corporate/establishment that’s how you know they’re out of touch
It's funny how fragile he is attacking a band and comparing it to a completely different genre, getting major pushback, flack, hate in the comments for doing so, then making a "the worse fanbases" video highlighting that band's fans lol
for the most part, yeah metal heads hate rap metal, but with that said, do you know how much love Bioazard used to get at shows? There was a period in the 90's when they seemed to tour with everyone. I mean, I saw them with Neurosis and Pantera in 96. Also saw them on tour with Ozzy, Danzig, and Sepultura at Ozzfest later that same year.
Lol...reminds me of the Judgement Night soundtrack. The singer of Biohazard was married to Tera Patrick lol.
I think the weirdest part of Finn is how big he's so damn big on the finicial success of artists... which is weird as hell coming from someone with roots in the hardcore scene. Punk's traditionally even more focused on remaining DIY and underground than metal is... Like, there's been punk 'zines that didn't even review anything with a barcode.
I also find thr idea that metal is racist is a weird fucking take, since like shit like NSBM was always been diverse as fuck. Like, at best, the averages metalhead tolerates it if the riffs are good. But just as often, they hate the shit since it goes against the metal ideals of brotherhood and unity.
Just an FYI, Finn used to write for Metalsucks. So do with that information as you see fit...
Whats funny is he says metal is stale but he champions Nu Metal, the most over produced and coporate metal of all
I had not seen the Punks' video about "trap metal". Thanks for introducing it to me. I have zero problem with any type of music or artist. I say this because people like "Punk Rock MBA" doing educational videos on music to "Teach" the rest of us lesser minded always go to the "they know no better" or "their minds are closed" place when one questions or disagrees with their opinions, inaccuracies or lies. Questioning, examining or debating their opinions becomes narrow minded hate speech itself and all dissenting views will not be tolerated or allowed to exist. However, I have to give it to him, he managed to work into his product about music that same BS force fed to Americans on TV and taught in Universities nightly around the country. I am sure he worked hard to come up with a way to work that BS he learned in college into his "Classroom". He basically framed it so you either like what he wants you to like or it is because of narrow-minded prejudice you don't like it. Musical taste is no longer an excuse for not supporting this genre. He might get a job offer from CNN. Question: if that example of "Trap Metal" he used was performed by a person that looked like me and the fans that didn't accept it as metal looked like the performers in the video would it still be because of their "minds not being open to it" or would that be ok because these things are a one-way street and only certain people have closed minds and other inferior traits.
Thanks for watching, and thanks for sharing your take. I'd like to push back on the universities claim though. When I was in college (for biology and environmental studies) I had to take an art elective. I opted for "music listening." My experience in the course could not have gone better. The professor was super charitable to everyone's music examples. I specifically remember playing Bongzilla for the class, and rather than writing it off as some pointless stoner bullshit, he gave the music some serious consideration. He analyzed the album art (Gateway) and commented thoughtfully on his take on the music's message, instrumentation and structure, and while some of my peers were giggling, the professor totally legitimized my example (and the examples of others). I'm not sure how common my experience is, particularly as a natural science guy, but I've only had positive experiences learning about music in higher education.
Now that I think about it, not higher education, but when I took guitar in high school, the teacher didn't have any issue with me playing a metal song for each of my monthly performances. I even performed "I Got Erection" by Turbonegro once, and nobody gave me any grief.
Due to what my educational background emphasized, I don't consider myself particularly qualified to talk about music as an expert. Finn would do well to have similar humility, since his background is not in performing arts, but business. I doubt he got his idiotic takes from a classroom, as his courses usually wouldn't have been geared towards music. Dude's just a dumb, vain weirdo - to the point that I think it must be innate.
It's about time somebody calls this man's bullshit.
I noticed right away the straight irony of him bringing up monthly listeners, and him dismissing Babymetal while the group has a good amount of monthly listeners. He ends up contradicting himself at time in his videos. One can also see the bias he has for the genres he group with.
I noticed that same thing.
Yea I don't know what the fuck Punk Rock MBA was talking about, it's obvious he doesn't know about the Black Twilight Circle bands lmao.
Do you remember Count Blagorath from back in the day? He was a great metal TH-camr you got me into an absolute ton of great bands over the years, I discovered so much music because of him. I'm sure you're aware, we need more dudes like him on TH-cam. The real old school metal TH-cam.
ehh, that shit sucked, just some incel in their parents' basement spending their allowance on vintage records for the collection dopamine rather than talking about the music
Finn is a corpo metal poseur. I like some of his views but most the time he just seems jocky or hipster to me 🤷🏻♂️ this stuff ain’t the future of Metal but I can bet you that it is possibly the future of music as a whole. Most everything now seems to jack the metal esthetic. They especially jack the logo styles and man I never thought I would see the day the mainstream would embrace deathcore logo designs 😂 but here we are.
When I heard that part about "lacking melody by design" the first thing that came to mind was Dissection lol
Look, there IS racism and sexism among metalheads, but that's because metalheads are people, and there is racism and sexism among people. People tend to wear shoes as well, but it'd be silly to attribute their personal or cultural prejudices (or lack thereof) to their footwear. And certainly, there are bands who produce racist content ... on purpose ... but there are countless more bands who don't, and so many metal bands that actively oppose racism. Again, metal music is made by people and some people are racist, so they communicate those beliefs in their art. But it's not metal that is racist.
Punk Rock MBA should lose his metal head card for saying trap metal is the future of metal. Its not even close to a Genre that will be great imo.
That's assuming he ever held that card in the first place
5:51 actually nu metal (including its rap flavor) has seen a slight resurgence, but it's still not widely accepted in extreme metal circles.
Damn PRMBA… quantity does NOT = quality. I use Spotify for podcasts alone
Dude I respect musicians. I don’t hate any genre of music. In fact including 90’s Nu Metal! You don’t have to like rap or any other genre of music. I have friends who listen to different genres of music and I respect that.
Damn, I’m not into Extreme Metal as much you seem to be but I really like your style of videos. This video was funny and easy to watch.
Punk rock mba’s take on metal fans could also apply to hip hop fans ironically. Whereas he says he’s sure people won’t listen to it because the artists are black (because he’s somehow a psychic I guess) I’ve seen plenty of interviews where people are LITERALLY saying white people shouldn’t make rap. I wonder if the old hip hop fans love trap metal lol. I fuckin doubt it.
Not true, I’m a fan of 90’s and 2000’s Rap and I love trap metal as well as metal
On DJ Vlad's YT channel by any chance?
@@nikkili8944 yeah, but I’ve also seen random interviews elsewhere.
Finn's trap metal obsession aged very poorly given how it's not as popular anymore.
I'm not into the really heavy stuff, like death metal or black metal...Slipknot is about as heavy as I go, but even within the realm of heavy music that I like, there's a lot of variety out there. There's an American band called Flummox who are great. They've got this quirky sense of humour mixed with Primus-esque weirdness and some really heavy riffs. Then there's Basement Orphans from the UK, they're kinda like the offspring of 80s metal and grunge. In Australia, until recently we had Glitoris who were more punk to begin with but they were expanding into all kinds of genres including metal, again not super heavy but about as heavy as the early metal bands like Black Sabbath. So that's 3 very different metal adjacent bands and that's not even scratching the surface of the really heavy stuff. Rock and metal don't need to sell out to hip-hop or whatever else is popular at the moment. If that's what the artists are into then sure, by all means bring in those influences. Also, the idea that metal is a racist genre is ridiculous. The genre got it's name from a review of an early Jimi Hendrix gig that compared his sound to that of heavy metal falling from the sky. Metallica is arguably the most well known metal band in the world and they're a pretty mixed race group.
For some dark esoteric shit, asmorod comes to mind, especially his demo "dance in the winter fog" fucking amazing
He's a flat billed hat bro. He knows nothing about metal. I blocked his channel awhile ago because TH-cam kept trying to suggest it to me.
This is fucking BASED
Most metalheads are extremely anti racist and shit on bands that are NS or even maybe have a connection to it even
dude whatever COB is still awesome
Gotta agree with you there, COB gets a lot of undue hate
The album 'Hatebreeder' was such an important album for me as a teenager getting into metal, years after it was released mind you, but I still loved it. If people want to hate on CoB, I couldn't give a shit...that album and their other releases still shred circles around most newer bands/albums from that past 5-10 years.
Agree with you hear my man