Karate vs Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - Which Martial Arts Is Better?
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- The long debated superior martial art form is being put to the test today in our amazing new video! Let's see if Karate is the best fighting style or if Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is completely unstoppable. What do you think is the best fighting style that is completely unbeatable? Let us know in the comments!
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The most effective way to hurt your opponents is to hurt them financially
@@alphaforce8071 financially's worse
This is why i believe alimony should be illegal.
Mendez parents were still rich when their sons killed them. Better to know who your enemies are.
生万 oof
@@average_enjoyer I think you have the best username I've ever seen.
This was clearly made by someone who’s never trained either
Amen to that bro
All he did was serve in the army and legit he complains about it almost every challenge video
I thought it was well researched and explained, and I agree with the conclusions.
Max Gs haven’t u ever even do it before?
Lityer Ambidextrous it’s because he actually considered karate being better
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Have you ever tried DMT?
@@atomicbacan44 Have you tried the mother f'n cash app?
c. Rob 💀💀
@@QarthCEO Machida is a bjj black belt...
Fun fact: Everyone in these comments have done Martial Arts “for more than”
4years
7 years
Since 2011, Wing Chun
11 years
i have for 10 years .i mean i watched martial arts for 10 years🤣😂🤣
I’ve trained both for almost 8 years and bjj is easily more effective with use of leverage and abstract positions
Eli Moore loser
@@barrysmith6984 shut up
Ok lol I haven’t meant someone with that much experience say abstract positions🤣🤣
Eli Moore ive trained karate for ten years and jiu jitsu for 3, in my opinion, karate is kinda more fun bc you can do forms and use weapons but jiu jitsu is yes, probably more practical
NARUTO _KARATE depends on the dojo and teachers
There is a reason why every single fighter in the UFC trains bjj
True
Khabib
Yeahh 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Yep.
@@rafaelcamargomassagli5432 EAE CAVEIRA KKKKK
This channel is about 30 years late to the party.
Right? Wasn’t this decided during the first UFC days? Lol.
@@ryshag Did you even watch the video? Sure BJJ is probably better for 1:1 fights (with some rules). What about no rules street fights? What about a mugging with multiple attackers. Is there a BJJ move for pinning 3 attackers on the ground simultaneously?
@@octowuss1888 just smash them on ground bro
@@octowuss1888 Sure Karate is great against 3 opponents, but I doubt Karate can defend yourself from a 6 foot away shot, or even a knife.
See, every martial art has its "comfort area", those comparisons arw meaningless
Kyai no these comparisons are just to come to a conclusion on which one is better 1 on 1 and bjj is the best for 1 on 1 but as u said it clearly has its comfort areas like every other martial art.
I've trained karate several years and just a little jiu jitsu. Most of the time, one on one I'll use my white belt BJJ over black belt karate. Fighting more than one then you better be Mike Tyson
Im 9 im a high brown belt i hope i can be a black belt soon :)
@@justaviewer.9720 how long did it take you to get a brown belt
Matthew Romero 3 days
@@matthewromero5054 3 to 5 yrs i think.
@@justaviewer.9720 congrats
Am I the only person who watched UFC 1, this whole discussion ended in the 90s
Jacob Brown Keep listening to your karate sensei...
@Jacob Brown sir, the travesty of UFC 1 being rigged is not true, it was supported by the Garcies to brings BJJ into mainstream which guarentee a spot for them.
@Jacob Brown how many karate fighters are there in mma today? And how many jiu jitsu fighters are there? Wonderboy thompson and sage morthcut are the notable users, but bjj? How many??? Despite the fact that GSP trained karate, they dont utilise jabs in karate. GSP only uses point karate to time his TAKEDOWNS which is not even taught in karate. Unless you're talking about kyokushin karate, but then again, the same argument arises, how many karate practitioners are there and how many bjj practitioners are there?
Jacob Brown they won because of the efficiency of bjj. The fighters might be handpicked I don’t know... but still they have to prove their efficiency by actually winning. You can’t just say it’s totally rigged also.. bjj is now a staple in MMA training. How is this all even rigged when it actually works?
@Jacob Brown ok boomer
As someone who has trained both, my money would be on jiu jitsu. You're not guaranteed to win a fight using it but knowing how to grapple will definitely help. Not knowing how to grapple in a streetfight is detrimental.
mtscountrytime86 boxing is better for the street
Astral Realms but its boring
@@FireFun63 No it's the least effective. Boxing will get you killed. Mauy thai, bjj and wrestling are the best. Boxers wont be able to stand if they get kicked lol
@@adamblock2911 that ain't true at all !! Jiu jitsu has something new to learn everyday. ... I don't know what your talking bout
@@FireFun63 sorry buddy this ain't it chief
Did you call Brazilian jiu-jitsu simple lol I wish. As someone who's been doing it for 4 years I can tell you it's not
Yeah LOL! I won't do jiu-jitsu because I don't have 10 spare years to train it, better do something simpler to learn but as effective like wrestling.
Smaller number of techniques... we make up new techniques every day! Many karate styles have curriculums with every karate move in them.
Lol that’s what I was thinking
I’ve done it for 6 years
@@focuzisweird5082 nice
This debate was already settled in the earliest years of the UFC.
what's the answer
@@eddyhoopin not karate that's for sure
@@mahfoudseraf5995 Rashad Evans, Stephen Thompson, Georges St Pierre have all trained both and you can clearly see them utilize karate in their fights if you know what you're looking at. So you just might want to rethink that.
They hand picked the opponents. BJJ was notoriously defeated by catch wrestler Sakuraba.
@@mahfoudseraf5995 GSP, Wonderboy, Lyoto Machida these are some of the best Karatekas of UFC.
Decent video, I would argue that there is nothing "simple" about BJJ though. It is a vast, deep martial art that one can spend a lifetime learning.
finaly someone who knows what he is saying.
@ragin' storm Yeah, I'm a BJJ white belt and I find it really difficult to remember the moves if I haven't been doing it for a WEEK. There are many steps, not simple at all. I find it harder than Muay Thai or Boxing!
@@starmochi9692 because it is:))
It takes a longer time to become a black belt in bjj than karate
CombatKid 2707 Wrestling is *ahem* harder...
Where's spinjutsu, did lego Ninjago lie to me, has my childhood been a lie to me?
Yes
Bruh I got fooled too.
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Ah 😆 😂🤣
RandomGuy hahahahahahahahshaha😂😂😂
BJJ has defeated Karate many times in MMA, back when there werent no weight classes or rules
"In MMA"
Mike Baxter MMA was way different 20+ years ago, no weight classes in the beginning of UFC
I'm not so sure, there are times when karate had actually flourished in pride fc. But that was MMA. besides, the early ufcs were all fixed so that that gracies can promote their jiu jutsu. But to me, either way it was an important moment in MMA even though catch wrestling and judo were also ground fighting martial arts. but today in bellator and UFC, karate fighters are flourishing as well even with barely any ground work. It all depends on the skill of the fighters.
It all comes down to circumstance and the skill of the fighter.
glens yeah mma is the closest form to “real fighting” you can get
“Despite the countless opinions given online, the real answer is not that easy to ascertain”
Yes it is, it’s clearly Jiu Jitsu
Agreed and lets be honest back in the 90's UFC we all saw that BJJ is the dominant martial art
Systema teaches you the martial art of shooting an AK47. How would your BJJ counter that?
@@adamallie8859 I don't think that any martial art can 100% safely defend themselves from an AK-47.
@@adamallie8859 I hope you're joking brother
@@giannibleya7690 I am not, they've included firearms in this martial art in the 20th century.
I hate how people think jiu jitsu means laying on the ground. I would rather be a jiu jitsu guy on my feet than a karate guy on the ground.
I'd rather just keep a few feet between my opponent and use the art of click pow
Nietzche's Mustache wdym
@@samuraiisalmighty4917 because a jiu jitsu guy on his feet can still manage distance take his time or completely leave the situation. A karate guy on the ground with someone that really knows how to grapple is probably going to be a fish out of water.
Well said sir.
When I was in the wrestling team I was 220 lb and my teacher who won several Jiu-Jitsu tournaments was 160. If you've ever been flipped by Jiu-Jitsu master you know they can flip you hard 😖 I personally love the fighting style especially when combined with some Muay Thai and kickboxing
I appreciate how BJJ offers the ability to maim someone from a historically unfavorable position.
Andrew Arias very true, pretty awesome tbh
Helio Gracie is my hero now.
Gracie family was rich gang they have so dirt in their history. Bjj has no history just Gracie propaganda, Gracie appropriate the job if offers like fadda maeda takeo yano geo omori, alves,moreira,de la Riva and a lot more
@@L16htW4rr10r helio was just a big liar
No
Infographics show: Karate or Brazilian jiu jitsu
Me: SPINJITZU
Jorge Sanchez that’s me
ninjago
Tornado of creation
AIRJITZU
Mexican Judo
I feel like the ufc already answered this question.
UFC's is not real life...once you are on the ground trying to detach my shoulder me friends will be kicking you in the face...1 on 1 yes bjj is better but in real life very rarely is it 1 on 1
@@scottkollada265 That's just you and people who cant fight or handle getting beaten . That's what's wrong these days it's all jump the dude or shoot him. Just fight and get over it
Scott Kollada Uhhhh there’s plenty of altercations when it’s one on one.
@@scottkollada265 his point is that , UFC is quite close to what a fight can be yes there are variables in actual street fighting , but karate isn't a viable fighting style in the UFC.
@@notchrisloveing9319 I agree most stand ups alone usually do not do well...there have been a few true strikers to wear the belt but not many especially in lower weights
*Gunnar Nelson:* "Why not do both?" 🤷♂️
Because karate is trash
Lyoto Machida 🤷🏽♂️
Adrijus Lenderskis Stephen Wonderboy Thompson disagrees
George st. Pierre has entered the room :D
Adrijus Lenderskis Bruce lee disagrees
Imagine knowing an ancient martial arts only to be turned into a pretzel
This took me out😂
Or folded into an origami swan
Aikidoka begin to sweat...
Imagine only knowing one skill set when the other person may have an equal or better skill set.
Goddag
15 years practicing both of them. The difference is that i practice japanese jujitsu, wich involves newaza, tachi waza and hit techniques.
I recomend everyone to practice both, they complement perfectly.
Indeed they do, and whatever works for one person might not work for another.
I agree I did not take up kung fu I used to Study taekwondo and muay thai boxing and I had a friend yeah studied Brazilian jujitsu I think he called it ninjasu And he taught me a lot of grappling and submission moves Because we still like to watch wrestling and he showed me how to really do what they were doing not the fake way
id rather train something that worked thanks
Same
I have trained in bjj and wrestling
As someone who's trained both do both and get well rounded
Take what works throw away what doesn’t
Karate doesn't really work in real life situations :/
@@ivanbotello9217 pretty much true
Should they change the fights from karate or keep it the way it is.
@@Utah842 depends if it is the correct way to roll the fist i was always taught to only throw a punch with a boxing style wrist
As someone who watches Joe Rogan, Jiu Jitsu
Same
Its the fighter if u find someone with a sweet right hook..... fast and precisis well you loose
@@jacobtheassassin3800 But then it doesn't have to be karate.
Well imagine it's in the street and you've got more than one guy on you, going to the ground is a loss
@@Laroac i someone practice one day with spec ops 6 years ago and a amature active lightwieght boxer gives em a punch......
"Being on the ground is bad in a street fight"
BJJ enables you to get up off the ground when someone else brings you there.
Majority of street fights end up on the ground, in other words some level of bjj is required.
nooooooo, you're never taught that, you're taught to do a joint lock and stay there until he taps out , karate has some forms of escaping and not staying in place while doing a lock, i got experience in both arts
@@lanemir_sindjelic BJJ is most identified by it's guard. Which focuses primarily around sweeping to a top position.. From where one has the ability to stand up. Most guards have more sweeps than submissions.
There's options for not using guard to stand up, watch Sakuraba. He simply rolls to turtle and stands. (some consider that a guard too)
But learning what to do when you are in bottom position for self defense is critical. BJJ is the number one art in that regard.
In self defense there is no tap out, the opponent either has their limb broken or is choked out. Karate grappling methods (to stand up) lack pressure testing.
Elias Solomontos
If it's a real fight, you're not letting go when the opponent taps out. You break the arm/leg or you choke them to sleep
First thing I learned is how to get up. Second was what to do if someone put me down. Third was how to put people down. After that it is bjj vs bjj, iron sharpens iron.
Nah neither of them teach escapes very well if you want to learn how to get up from the ground then wrestling for you
I’m a white 3 stripe white belt in BJJ, and I was able to win a sparring match at my MMA gym against a karate black belt as soon as I was able to take him to the ground. If that doesn’t tell you how effective BJJ is, I don’t know what does.
Yep, and that's great for a match but not so great on the street against multiple opponents. I've trained in Judo, Hapkido, TKD, and Kenpo. On the street, it depends on the person and their mindset. Even a TKD practitioner with some street wisdom will know to not use fancy turning kicks on the street and keep kicks low like Bruce Lee stated.
@@gomentallyderangedyea3689 yeah, best to stay on your feet when dealing with multiple opponents. But if its 1 on 1, then take him down and strangle him!
You can tell this was written by someone who’s never trained in either
Comment copyer idiot
Care to inform us of what misinformation was presented in the video?
Lol karate fanboy
Agreed. To make a fair and strong comparison for bjj is Judo which was the predecessor of Bjj.
@@AnEnemyAnemone1 9/10 if not 100% of the time a BJJ black belt beats a Karate black belt. Happened at UFC 1 and would happen in pretty much all scenarios. The question to this video is pretty simple.
Which martial art is better???
ANSWER : "It all comes down to circumstance and personal preference"
-Infographics show
TBH, i didn't expect an answer, the fact that they actually had a preference, and gave insight to the circumstances that would cause one to be better actually surprised me.
Pridé and Sórrów amen
Matthew Young no karate is trash all around. Other than maybe the hammer kick or whatever it’s called.
Pridé and Sórrów I agree. I am currently in karate and while I am strong, I have a small figure and sometimes that my downfall cause I literally have to try to go for their head.
Jeremiah Duran um. A lot of it is completely useless, I agree with you, some of it could be used though. Being honest though, we don’t actually use half of the stuff we learn in class, no one has the time to do a five minute routine in the middle of a fight.
Difference is that karate has been watered down and bjj hasn't.
BJJ has been somewhat watered down by becoming a point system sport. I'm not mad at it, but the self-defense aspect of it is no longer as relevant as it originally was, even though nowadays a blue belt should still win most street fights against an untrained opponent.
@@MaxGalofre not everyone trains by the point standard for example mma gyms etc
@@marcobala9284 True.
@@marcobala9284 The same point is true for Karate also.
Max Gs I trained at multiple bjj schools due to my job that has me traveling, but at all those gyms I’ve been to, (multiple 10th planet gyms and strictly gi schools) none of them are watered down and it’s up to the student to go by the point system. The gym doesn’t force you.
For the last time it’s not about the style , it’s how you implement it in an actual fight
Well ig. U can’t just know only Aikido and go into a fight. But if u combine Aikido with other martial arts it would be much more effective
no but is better
bjj
It depends on what suits you, I am skinny BJJ would be better for me...
@@V-edits10 and martial arts ( well I do all types ) is good for me
*"Karate vs. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu"*
Yujiro Hanma Wins!
Duchi Baki anime lol😂😂😂
Lyto Machida Enters The Brawl!
EVERYTIME
I mean could he beat Guts tho?
@Angler Strong also I have a black belt in BJJ AND karate, I can tell you BJJ is not as scary as you think it is, but hit with a wheel kick most certainly is
Jocko Willink. “Just do Jiu Jitsu.” “Jiu Jitsu will solve your problems.”
Aggre jujitsu helps ALOT
Yeah it helps only with a single opponent
@@thewarrior9177 you don't deserve martial arts if the only thing you dream of is beating a lot of people at once
@@thewarrior9177 and also, fights don't commonly occur as 5vs1
Christian Phillip Ampoloquio then come and fight me then you can judge
0:03 well that's the most true thing I've ever heard.
😂😂😂😂👌🏽
Nah
Well said.
“Keyboard warriors that have never gotten on the mats” clearly this video is made by one of those warriors.
Signed
-Keyboard Warrior
@@johnwick9416 Co sighted
-someone who actually does it and can confirm the original statement
Jeez fellas, just whip 'em out and measure already
Well'l true there BJJ is good on the ground not good if you get a good punch or kick on you from a powerfull striker, just key in Mariuz Pudzianowski vs Rolls Gracie, Mariuz 5 times the worlds strongest man with a background in Kokushinkia Karate and amature boxing destroys Gracie in 27 seconds.
@@paulthesquid3595 I have bjj and wrestling background
0:17 the reason hes a blue and black belt and asking which one, cause the amount it takes just graduate from white to blue belt in bjj is the same time it takes some to go from white to black in karate 😂
Tyson Sadler it is hard to find a true karate dojo
Tyson Sadler true
In Traditional dojos will take years, in wkf dojos maybe 3 or 4
In a real dojo it takes 4-5 years
Yea it takes 3-4 at my dojo but I know many where you can get it in a matter of months if you pay the right amount
It's not about style, it's about how well you can practically apply it to a fight.
yea no one understands that
Thank you
honestly, never go to ground fighting when there is more than 1 opponent.
punching: chinese boxing
kicking: karaté
throwing: judo
chocking/grappling: jiu jitsu
dancing: capoeira
Hotel: Trivago
That's why you learn more than one martial art.
Neo VeNoM why would u engage more than one opponent? The best thing to do no matter how trained you are is walk away.
They got us in the first half, not gonna lir
Kicking:Karate
Taekwondo:Am I a joke to you?
Punching: Western boxing
Kicking: Muay Thai
Throwing/takedowns: judo or wrestling
Grappling: BJJ
Karate is made for hand to hand combat, jiu jitsu focuses on grappling.
When a karate master fights a jiu jitsu master he has the upper hand until the fight gets taken to the floor.
I'm not gonna pick sides, both have their advantages.
best comment so far
Exactly!
Bjj stomps
Bjj is taught with boxing and wrestling/judo tho
Bjj dominates karate
The UFC answered this, all of the above.
Ray X *MMA not UFC. UFC is a fight promotion you idiot
Ian Connor Music UFC is the highest level of MMA and stop going around calling people idiots
@@ajisback2826 It's sad kinda sad on how fake it has become though
21stcenturyschizoidman a what are you talking about?
@@21stcenturyschizoidmana29 what do u mean fake?
I haven't practiced either in years but in my experience, speaking only for self defense, my one stripe white belt in BJJ (6 months training) had me better suited to protect myself than my green belt in karate (three belts above white, considered intermediate level for competition, three and a half years of training)
3.5 years for a green belt? I got a brown belt in 4. So that’s just you I think
@@joelk3187 same
@@joelk3187 blaming the indivudal without considering school differences is of course nonsense but you probably think your Karate belt means you can fight so....
It takes a lot to even get 1 stipe on a white belt in bjj witch would explain why I get triggered when people are like "Bruh your a white belt you can't do anything"
@@jinslover2091 that honestly depends on the school but bjj is a slower progression then the vast majority of other martial arts. I mean a white belt with two years of experience is way different from a white belt with 2 days experience.
"Use a gun and if that doesn't work, use more gun."
but that's the dishonorable way
lifting cloth of huge cabinet
Engie
so you guys would use a gun/knife in a fight with someone weaponless? probably the dumbest thing ive ever read
@@babdougson2940 That's the survival way, the wild knows no honour.
Most street fights go to the ground, if your good enough to keep the other guy away with strikes than karate is a good option, but even a high school level wrestler probably isn't going to let that happen, your best option is mma so you have a good option for all situations
no they dont.
@@mrmachine5632 They do actually lol
Most people in street fights aren’t trained fighters . Most trained fighters avoid street fights
MMA isn't a style. It's literally called mixed martial arts. It's multiple styles of martial arts, with a few Western fighting styles. The Martial Arts portion is made up of BJJ, Krav Maga, Kung-Fu, and the Western aspects are kickboxing and boxing. Wing Chun and Karate are sometimes used in MMA as well.
@@memeityy Wow really?😱
Put a bjj black belt against a karate black belt, and the answer will be clear in about 10 seconds when the fight hits the ground.
Inless it doesnt hit the ground
@@saucetacular6092 all fights go to the ground, unless your playing the knock out game where you hit and run. Regardless jiu-jitsu specifically begins as a how to defeat a striker scenario, karate rarely tries to tackle this problem and when they do, its hilariously ineffective.
@@austinfackender this simply not true and literally karate means open hand its not as specific a style like bjj is. Theres many forms. But plenty of fights dont go to the ground. Ppl jump into more fights then there is fair fights. If some random stranger is khabib style ground and pounding your freind on a pavement( a very real scenario) what are you going to do? Your gonna kick him while hes completely vulnerable
@@saucetacular6092 Most street fights do end up on the ground. The Karate guy doesn't train take down defense, he'll be taken down. "Ppl jump into more fights then there is fair fights" this is absolutely not true at all. The vast, vast majority of street fights are 1 on 1, it's not even close.
@@bane3991 your slow i never said most fights dont go to the ground. Simply that plenty do not. You clearly havnt witnessed many street fights. Its not a game its not "oh this is cool im going watch my friend get brain damage". Its one on one if the fights between friends and none think its right to jump in. Its one on one if the guy whos losings friend is afraid to jump in. But no in reality most bjj and grappling technicians are not aggressors in fight. You likey will only need to defend yourself from untrained fighters. Intentionally going to the ground in the street is dumb. And bjj is overrated. Its great and all but has as many holes as any tma. It wasn't as uncommon for karate guys to practice grappling as you think. Bjj does not specialize in getting the fight to the ground it focuses on what you do once your there
Ah yes, a video made by someone who knows and has no experience in the topic
Hahahaha Karate fanboy lol
Bruh the internet is a thing
“Be like water, my friend.”
Don't take someone's French fry your profile pic
No. BE water my friend.
Bruce Lee yall
NON-POLAR PAUL Exactly. Theres no video of him actually fighting. He wasn’t a fighter
@NON-POLAR PAUL yes but Goku is stronger
I’ve only done karate out of the 2 but actually about to start Jiu Jitsu when the pandemic is over.
I do it it is very fun and very good for self defense do it
@@Soldierb0y42 jiu jitsu is not god for self defense.
@@tiocroc4814 yeah it is do u do it I do Brazilian Jiu Jistu it is good u just don’t do it I gues
@@tiocroc4814 actually it is someone I knew got into a fight and he knew bjj and used it and won
@@roygiron4001 against an idiot. if you only know jiu jitsu or any sport and think you are prepared, you are only a sheep that knows how to beat other sheep. a strong guy with a big stick is more dangerous than any MMA fighter that ever lived, imagine with knives and guns...
As someone who has trained in Martial Arts since I was 6 Brazilian Jujitsu is so much more effective than Karate, you should have did a Muay Thai vs BJJ video
Wrestling vs jujitsu is better
More comparable and a legit rivalry.
Dakota Blount
Judo vs BJJ or Wrestling would be better
Would still be a pointless video because Bjj is the best
@@samuelmarquez5659 wrong
You cant really compare a grappling martial art and a striking one. They are both the best in there areas (Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu) I reccomend training both
Shouldn't take 9 minutes to say "jiu-jitsu"
Johnny Beasley Fr
Tell that to GSP.
@@robiulahmed You mean GSP the BJJ blackbelt?
It is apples and oranges. Any wrestling style (which will obviously bring bodies much closer together and introduce a different type of fight) will be more effective and efficient as a one on one style of fighting. Always has been. On the other hand, a huge number of fights end with KO punches or kicks. It is MIXED martial arts so it is necessary to (or better/ smarter to) incorporate both striking and wrestling techniques. That is precisely where UFC and US MMA went as a direction.
@@vitoravila9908 GSP's Kyokushin karate black belt: pffffftt...
The Infographics Show sure knows how to open up a can of worms.
Let battle commence. 👊
😂
*cough cough *crickets chirping
@@lustrazor44 *me a person that takes karate seriously* well yes but actually no
Eh looking at the history of the UFC this should be a fairly open and closed discussion
I’ve been doing Brazilian Jiu jitsu for four years, and whenever someone asks me what it is I just say “it’s like crazier wresting but with extra steps”
As someone who wants to start bjj soon, I’m those four years, how much have you learned? Just curious :)
@@liamblackmore3829 Where do I even start. Many different chokeholds, takedowns, arm bars, and just the basics of grappling in general. Its all ground fighting so in a real fight if you go to the ground it’s your element
@@mr.bombastic413 Have you learned just the basics or have you mastered anything?
@@liamblackmore3829 I wouldn’t say mastered. But I got really good at it. It takes a while. Plus I’m currently doing wrestling for school and haven’t been to Jiu jitsu in a while
On a similar note, Jiu jitsu helped me a lot with wrestling.
But yeah you get really good at the basics. And that’s really the secret. Get good at the basics and your good. Everyone has their own style kinda, you develop your own set of moves that kinda works for you. It’s really cool
@@mr.bombastic413 ok cheers, and can I ask how physically demanding it was?
they're both affective, it depends on the situation I have been learning karate for 5 years but I think Brazilian jiu-jitsu would be more effective in a street fight
Definitely
Brazillian Jiu Jitsu is not effective in a street fight
BJJ, Muay Thai, MMA and the rest is bs.
@@GhostRider-uk3xv wrestling, boxing
@@tiocroc4814 how? I bet you never been in a fight. Keyboard warrior…
More than Martial art, it's the training methodology that matters. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu schools have a much higher emphasis on pressure testing and live sparring while most Karate Schools today in the West are watered down to an extent that they barely resemble the intensity of "Old-school" Karate training style. Therefore, you are better off training in a BJJ school than Karate, just because statistically there are not many Karate schools that focus on pressure testing than things like 'kata' which are not very useful in fighting.
Having trained in both BJJ and Karate, I would say that a skilled grappler has an advantage over a skilled striker since most fights will end up in a grappling scenario. Most strikers in kickboxing or boxing match naturally end up clinching to avoid strikes and therefore a fight is more than likely to end up in a grappling scenario of some sort. You have seen an example of this in the Khabib vs Mcgregor match.
Jiu-jitsu is one of the only disciplines you can train full speed.
Funny thing i used to train bjj and in a freak accident i broke my ankle getting thrown 😅
@@erickmazur807 you know like boxing and muay thai etc exist?
@@saintsfps5348 ok. More specific. Despite freak accidents. Full speed without serious risk of injury
@@collinromero5476 lol. Yea really disproves my statement huh? I know that can happen. What did happen?
100% BJJ. I did Karate and became a black belt when I was in high school. I went to Jiu jitsu class and this 15yr old blue belt completely mauled me on the mat. There is zero competition here.
uh duh karate has no ground work so of course you got destroyed on the "mat". the same why you'll destroy him in striking only. But yeah, Jiujitsu wins 9 out of 10 due to karate not having grappling thats true.
yes
Kama Jiu-jitsu that is why at my karate class we learn grappling techniques aswell
how long you was doing karate? Also this is why i believe people doing martial arts should learn various art forms to handle different situations, aka ground/stand-up fighting. But i would love to know how that fight went down if you dont mind sharing
Did you train in the bay area?
3:51 ~ the context is slightly lacking. Yes,Japanese Karate focused more into Striking and How techniques are done.Okinawan Karate had Striking, Grappling and Weaponry.Okinawan Karate on its own, was one of the few early Mixed Martial Arts.
Okinawan Karate focused on minimal and efficient movements, and kata that applies in combat. Most Japanese Karate systems focused on the way a certain style should be executed.
Cue Mr. Miyagi
@@milesmiller3875 yes. Even in the first Karate Kid Mr. Miyagi mentioned that his Karate came from Okinawa... And the legsweep Mr. Miyagi did on Daniel in Karate Kid during the punching training is a similar takedown sprawl used in BJJ... the same leg sweep Mr. Miyagi did on John Kreese in the Cobra Kai dojo fight in Karate Kid Part III. That came from Japanese Jujitsu.
@@matthewkevinobispo6582 cobra Kai is Tang Soo Do. Kata came from French martial arts and wasn’t a big part of original Karate.
@@jonbgreen6916 Kata is also under Japanese Karate's basic components like Kihon and Kumite. (Japanese Karate focused on the How of Karate component); Okinawan Karate focused on relaxed and practical techniques...
Why do people even argue about "which martial art is the best?" No martial art is perfect. A combination of arts is the best such as
Boxing
Muay Thai
Karate
Taekwondo
Judo
Bjj
Igor got kung fu dum dum
Don’t forget wrestling
@@Tres-K-47 eww
@@supercoolboy8184 i do wrestling and bjj,and im going to be honest wrestling elevates your ground game like no other.
Forgot wrestling and lethwei
They’re 2 very different martial arts used in very different scenarios, a better topic would’ve karate and Kung fu or taekwondo
Freestyle wrestling vs bjj
@@notime9616 fax
or Jiu Jitsu vs wrestling.
Kung fu and taekwondo are both karate just one comea from china nad the other from korea
Belal Abu Sultan that’s been answered already. Pure wrestlers can out athlete bjj but if they aren’t better athletes bjj wins.
You obviously have never spent any time on a mat, there is literally nothing “simple” about jiu jitsu
Chill man, its just a video
@@Dogetuberyt and we're allowed to correct it it's wildly wrong and misinformed duh. As someone who's been training Jiu Jitsu for years along with Muay Tha, Boxing, Wrestling, and Kickboxing + MMA there's just so much wrong with this video
I practiced both!
I just know Jiu Jitsu is harder. I have never been this sore when I practice Karate! You are actually fighting people without going to jail.
Have you trained Kyokushin as well? If you ever did, I can't imagine how hard Jiu Jitsu is...because for me, sore muscles for 3-4 days after a hard practice session is definitely sufficient. And this is just regular training, not a workshop that goes for a few days where some people even throw up due to exhaustion.
@@Climate.Realist, I have not practiced Kyokushin. That being said, Itrain jiu-jitsu and can say that my entire body is sore after a good roll. It is all circumstantial, though. Like who you're fighting since in BJJ, you'll fight different weight classes differently and become sore in different ways. I'm a featherweight, so if I go against someone my size, I'll typically be sore in my upper body since most of the grappling are done fighting for grips. If I go against a bigger practitioner, I'll feel sore in my hips and shins from using my legs more in the rolling session. Generally speaking, though, your hands and feet will get a lot of callouses and scars from grappling (from the gis).
I am not an expert, these are my main take-aways though.
Random Fact: Due to kids emulating martial arts movies Arizona, Massachusetts, and New York have enacted complete bans on nunchucks.
Bans on those n boys staffs started getting banned in the 70s
Scott Kollada that’s ridiculous if they think there that deadly then make a permit for it not ban completely that’s absolutely absurd
@@carlindurfee7566 just stating facts
Lol plus showing my age lol
Nunchucks are legal in AZ again.
😂😂😂😂
Learn both. They compliment each other's weaknesses.
Train 3 months of BJJ, you'll beat a life-long karateka
I think BJJ is complimented better by Muy Thai.
@@Mhurilo10 i train karate and i was fighting with bjj guy who has experience. He tried to take me down but he got a knee to the nose. Bjj= 0
@@nadezdanikolic8020 ill take that as the story that never happen
nadezda nikolic lol yea then you woke up
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu > Karate
its Graaze plenty of Karate styles also practice grappling! Depends on the situation imo
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@@currahee Oke
@@currahee also, RIP Kobe bryant
@@epikmadman5518 rip hes my goat
@@currahee ye, I miss him
When I was younger I trained for years in Tang Soo Do, in the Marines I trained in MCMAP and now I Train in BJJ Gracie Barra! And honestly i love all forms of any fighting art because they all have great techniques to help defend yourself. They thing is know when and how you apply it. Stay humble and train in what ever you like most.
You're the only one here who actually gets it - much respect! 👊
TANG SOO!
I too have trained Tang Soo Do as a kid and MCMAP in Marines. I’ve only been introduced into BJJ but believe that’s where a fight will be won almost always.
@@willjones4630 Loved Tang Soo Do. And Semper Fi Devil. Teufelhunden!
@@irockz281982 SFMF 👊🏿
This is one of the more well thought out and unbiased videos I’ve seen on the subject. I’m very impressed!! I’ve seen plenty of Karate guys that soil the name for us so I appreciate the look at the system as a whole. I personally mention that martial artist should involve themselves in a standing AND grappling art, so I agree. Personal preference AND situation are KEY
sup sensi seth
You forgot the fact that Masahiko Kimura (judo) locked a reverse ude-garami on Helio Gracie and rather than surrendering, Gracie let his shoulder become dislocated and his arm broke. After that the BJJ popular move named the Kimura was born.
I enjoy the Kimura very much
Can you give a link
That’s why BJJ is better. It adopts moves that are clearly effective. Also, the leg locks came from catch wrestling. The BJJ school of thought is not restricted by tradition.
@@StockyDude , no it's not. Because its founders also act like McDojo masters in terms of exaggerating the roots of BJJ as well as spreading false informations just to amplify BJJ.
Yes BJJ is indeed effective. But its techniques predominantly came from Judo, including the concept of guard. See Kosen Judo and its way of training.
@@Anti-McDojo judo is far more throw based than it it submission based. There's also a reason bjj is more effective than judo in mma.
To those of you mentioning the Gracie family, they only won out because people didn’t know how to counter Brazilian jiu jitsu back in the 1990s. Now, they do, and so, it’s just another name on a really long list of martial arts MMA fighters use.
Karate, meanwhile, is something of an umbrella term for Japanese martial arts that focus on striking. One of the most effective variations thereof is kyokushin, which emphasizes full contact fighting, strong conditioning, and knees and elbows as well as punches and kicks. This style was popularized by Georges St. Pierre.
The top 3 dominant martial arts
1: Wrestling
2: BJJ
3: Muay Thai
they said krav maga is not martial arts , its killing machine
When its all said and done I think having basic boxing skills will save the average person. No matter the physical stature and physical capabilities.
Boxing is the best martial art in the street
Not even close its
1.wrestling
2.kickboxing/boxing
3. Muy thai
@@grantlong6586 BJJ is basically wrestling with chokes and jointlocks. Kickboxing works without the kicking and if so very low kicking.
As superior Wallace said, all fights start standing. Where goes from there depends on development of skill
If you don’t know how to sprawl properly, you can’t stop takedowns
"90% of fights lead to the ground, however 100% of fights start standing up"
Trevor Lue doesn’t matter how it starts, just matters how it ends. You can be winning at first and then the 90% that goes to the ground you lose. I wouldn’t put my money on that
@@2chin4u true, and If you don't know how to defend a right cross, you can only hope you can double leg the opponent fast enough. Cause don't leg the Gracies fool you: they were bad strikers bad they did train stand up defense A LOT MORE than 99,999% of the modern bjj schools
1st. Jiu Jitsu is the superior art.
Now that that's cleared up, I don't even know where to begin with your historical inaccuracies. Smdh.
Nothing is a superior art, BJJ is amazing for grappling 1v1 but standing up is a different story, it's best to be trained in stand up and and grappling
Jiu jitsu can take out anybody, and there is so many chokes and arm bars, in judo u can snap somebody arm in half, u can knock people out, but I think karate would be a little more defensive, but imo I think judo will always win in 1v1
@@jewmanchoolee466 yeah, this video shouldn't compare a striking and grappling art, it's like saying "which is better: wrestling or muay thai?"
BJJ is much more practical and direct. Karate seems to favour larger, stronger proponents and is compromised on the ground. Combine both and your onto something, esp if you add boxing fundamentals, as well.
Bjj is not more practical. I do bjj and did tkd and wrestling karate is def more practical
@@roflswamp6 Bjj is more practical
@@mustwatchthis50 it's really not I love BJJ tho and do it more than striking
@@roflswamp6 just picture a street fight in close corners after a kick or punch lands the bjj fight grabs and uses takedown techniques into a submission
@@mustwatchthis50 Hypotheticals aren't evidence. That being said it's best to learn both.
I personally took mcgracies Kempis. My sensie is dead. He has been for a couple years now. Rest in piece sensie Jim Green. My heart breaks when I thunk about your end
Having studied a few systems of martial arts over the last few decades, including karate and jujutsu, it really depends upon how it is taught and how it is used as to which is better. As both have striking and grappling tactics for use in self defense. If one is simply comparing the sport versions of each of these, then it is a pointless argument as neither is going to compete in an environment that puts it at a disadvantage.
Karate is the mostly effective martial art in dangerous situations ..karate has the techniques of punching,kicking,grappling,joint locks .In karate kata the techniques are more effective to deffense yourself . Karate can defeat more than one opponent at a time, but BJJ can't.
I think if 2-3 people pounce on you at the same time there isn't much you can do about it
If karate kata will practiced perfectly by someone then no body can defeat him/her
Wrong. No martial art adequately deals with multiple attackers, and when a karate school challenged a Gracie school every single one of them lost, and quickly too.
Royce Gracie already answered this question in the earlier UFC's. Heheheh but Imo the better M.A is the one you practice and have fun.
Naahh not kyokushin.
Early UFCs were fixed, the gracies chose their opponents. when they were placed in pride fc, that's when reality happened.
Just question, other than Ken Shamrock, who were the other guys? No names, and non champs.
@@DanishnSonic Most of the big names in Pride had vast BJJ or Submission grapplin backgrounds. By the time pride became the worlds MMA powerhouse most guys had learnt bjj anyway or bjj defense
@@DanishnSonic Gerard Gordeau was a world champion in Savate and Dutch National Kyokushin champion for nearly a decade. 9th dan in Kyokushin. 7th dan in sei budo kai. 2nd dan in full contact karate and 3rd silver glove in savate
Kevin Rossier was a WKA heavyweight Kickboxing champion. WKA being one of the largest and oldest Kickboxing associations.
Art Jimmerson, although never a world champ, was a Golden Gloves champion.
Patrick smith was the 5th ranked Kickboxer in the world at the peak of his career, 3rd degree blackbelt in TKD, and held black belts in tang soo do, Hapkido and American Kenpo.
Zane Frazier was a national and north American Kickboxing champion and 4th degree blackbelt in Kenpo
@@joshuavanzuydam5044 yeah, a bunch of 'no-names'
🙄 /s
I think comparing stand up to grappling isn’t the best way to go
Can you do muy Thai vs karate or jiu jitsu vs wrestling next please 😁
You actually did very well for someone who hasn’t trained both btw
95% of fights end on the ground
It is actually, you have to grapple on to them.
@@callumgill7019 Yeah but not because people take them to the ground and submit them. It ends on the ground because someone knocks them out.
@@grahamhill676 this is a joke right. You’ve never been in or seen a fight other than on worldstar have you
@@callumgill7019 Most 'street fights' literally end from a strike. Nobody goes the ground and wrestles unless it's two backyard school kids.
"bjj often uses strikes to subdue opponents..."
Uhhhmmmmm...
Yeah, if you like getting dq'd.
CJJ allows open hand strikes sometimes and mma uses strikes, with bjj being the most popular move set for mma, and many instructors having some decent mma chops.... but... Strikes? Great way to find yourself on the mats with the instructor showing you what a high belt opponent can do against a boisterous newbie. And 10 minutes later, a boisterous newbie who no longer strikes in bjj...
Accuracy check anyone?
5 minutes in a bjj class man. 5 minutes.
I am in Asia and we have lots of guys in our club who know karate. None of them would even dream about going karate only vs bjj only. Not in a million years.
DQ? I assume that this isn't a competition, or if it is, would make no sense to allow strikes to the Karateka but not for the Jiujitsuka. Why would a Karateka fight against a Jiujitsuka under Jiu jitsu rules? It makes no sense.
Yes, bjj practitiones like myself are often taught to use strikes as a way to the takedown and submission. For example: Jab - Cross - Double leg.
We view them as a means to get close enough or to make the opponent give an opening for a takedown. Or goal is to take the opponent to the ground, our territory, not a knockout.
@@andyrrafaelthebeastemperor8709 I can understand what you're saying. In a street fight situation, you'd be more along the lines of MMA with Karate as primary skills vs MMA with BJJ as primary skills.
Personally, I think that's outside of the level of examination proposed.
Having said that, in MMA, you need look no further than the Gracies, who will typically use a few carefully placed kicks, like the teep-type front kick to the forward leg quad, then shoot for a takedown. No Karateka is going to survive on the ground vs a jiu jitsu practitioner of a similar belt level or even similar experience level in terms of time.
However, if you were to restrict the BJJ practitioner to BJJ legal moves only, then you wouldn't be allowed to do those strikes. Certainly not Jab, Cross... You'd be DQ'd before your opponent hit the floor. But the teacher might actually teach that sequence for general use. Quite valid.
I think it's fair to note as well that most people who attend BJJ classes will be exposed to other fight scenarios. Our club, like many others is cross-discipline (BJJ and MMA, with instructors in many of the striking arts) and even in BJJ class, many of the participants attend classes there for BJJ and for MMA. In each position when being taught, there is always a discussion about potential variations for MMA which include defending strikes and attacking with strikes.
However, for a strict BJJ match, the students are also expected to know that there are some techniques which are not acceptable.
For me, in a fight, I would prefer always to use grappling techniques and I specifically avoid training with punching because I want to have as little instinct as possible to punch.
eschelar that is what mma was made for
I came down looking for this comment. Unless you're at an MMA gym that teaches BJJ, you're not going to learn how to strike into a grappling situation at a majority of BJJ schools.
@@somaliantourbus6543 You dont even need to learn how to "strike into grappling" in SD. If "the other one" fails to KO you in the first 30 seconds, he will enter the clinch himself willingly.
Dont over complicate it.
John wick: with a gun any fighting ting style is good
*Taekwondo has left the chat
5:28 Anyone who has done BJJ. Imagine going for an armbar like that 😂
Right lol
OmegaLUL like NANI!!! is tat armbar i am not an expert in BJJ (as in i have done very little) but atleast i know how to do an armbar ur not supposed to be like 2 feet away from the person u are close in ur legs over the persons body and ur palvic pressing up to creat pressure on the joint that is a bad demonstration??? if it can be called one
Haha that great
That’s almost a cursed image
I have already did BJJ
Jiu Jitsu wins 8/10 times.
More like 10/10 times
Annoying Biker No, not every time.
@ALPHA 7 lol you can get your black belt for Karate in 2 years but bjj takes 10 years
Arts don't fight each other, people do. It is the practitioner that really determines outcome, not their art. Besides, so much of what people call "Karate" is a stripped down, child safe, SALEABLE version of ACTUAL karate. The people who actually beat each other to death, in the early years of karate, realized they might go to the ground and included plenty of grappling techniques. The REAL difference between BJJ and most "karate" is how often they are practiced with resistance instead of cooperating partners.
@ALPHA 7 However if were speaking in a general sense Bjj would win most of the time.
I think we can all agree the best martial art and most effective is the art of running tf away
Just practice both so u can effectively adapt to the fight... Im sure both fighting styles have their perks.
This is the internet. I dock you ten points for showing too much reasonableness in your approach.
Yeah bro I do karate but I don’t hate on other styles they all were made for a specific purpose
@@Argonnosi yea. hes not making any sense in this realm
I'm glad its taken me so long to learn such a "Simple" Ground fighting system. lol Simple it is not.
i have just started bjj, and there is so much i’ve learned i can’t remember it all lol
@@kalebrobinson5435 Yeah, same! I started two weeks ago or so AND WOW it takes A LOT out of you to learn and understand
I’ve done it for 3 years and it is very technical, you always have to look for grips and positions that you can use against the opponent
99% of jiu-jitsu blue belts can beat 99% of black belts in karate
Bruh Is no one going to talk about How Karate was Invented in Okinawa, NOT in India and NOT on the other side of Japan. His Man out here saying that Indians invented it to fight off guys, It was the Okinawa people that invented it to fight off the Army. And I love how he skips past the kungfu bit. FAKE NEWS!!!!!
Chuck Norris, a Karate Master, was choked out by Rickson Gracie, a BJJ Master. So that answers that question.
no niot at all karate would destrou bbj with a quick kick
no one example answers a broad question, I favor bjj over karate but I favor logical rational arguments even more and so I must speak up
@@kevinwilson705 yes
@@kevinwilson705 You're out of your mind. BJJ would destroy karate.
@@anthonynguyen4088 depends on experience, and physical attributes. I dont think one style is clearly better than the other.
there’s no superior style. it depends on how you use your style(s).
Emily M 2nd degree black belt here, I totally agree with you. At my school we mainly train tye quan do, but as you train more, you learn more such as kali, bjj, and mui tai. Sorry if I spelled mui tai wrong.
@@milesanderson8088 Taekwondo* Muai Thai* (:
Fermin Aguilar oh thank you
@@Undergroundfrown *Muay Thai
@@madamadaez2k140 I googled it to make sure and funny enough they're spelled both ways, but yours is technically correct. So thank you
And this is how MMA was created
Mma predates ufc and ufc was a sham put on by the gracies
@@saucetacular6092 lolololololol
@@nehemyahberdugo2305 pancrase, shooto, vale tudo , tough guy competitions and no holds barred fights existed pre ufc
@@saucetacular6092 soooooooo
It's not the fighting style that matters, it's all about the fighter
Ehh idk about all that. Fighting style matters a lot
Bjj or aikido
No style definitely matters you’re just trying to be deep for no reason
5:48 Johnny Walker, is that you?
Pathetic. You forgot the best one! Keyboard fighting
Especially Mortal Kombat 11 They Added SPAWN Just Now!!!!!!!!!!
*sad Taekwondo noises*
Ice Age Baby Eating Don’t Disturb or Suffer lol sorry bub 😂
Sad noise
Nick Murphy Agreed
Ew taekwondo
@@Josh_SRT do you actually have any idea how entertaining and powerful of a martial arts taekwondo is?
I have been doing karate for 8 years. Most of which have been a minimum of 8hrs a week. I earnt my black belt mid through last year and my aunty has recently introduced me to BJJ. From everything I have learnt this is a very well researched and explained video. As a karateka I think you should focus on your weakness no matter what it is. For karate we lack any grappling other than the simple joint locks and guillotine that my sensei has introduced through his experience as a bouncer and security officer trainer. I also belive that if you are proficient enough at either size does not matter. If you are proficient at both though they complement each other so well by backing up each style through the others weakness. This is why I plan on continuing learning and potentially teaching both
A you have literally no idea what you’re talking about. Jiu jitsu is incredibly technical and complicated, more so than judo. Karate is a shitshow. BJJ is something every mma fighter knows
Yeah the karate that is taught most frequently is pretty garbage. But it does have some useful parts to it. I think people should really learn karate if they want to better themselves, and other martial arts if they are serious about defending themself. Then again you could buy a gun.
All martial arts are meant to do different things. So 🤷♂️ can’t really compare them
Joel Kitcher Not everyone can buy a gun and martial arts are just that; if they aren’t effective in combat in any format then they’re useless. Either way a BJJ black belt would maul pretty much any karate black belt
Lucas Pflueger martial arts aren’t just for self defence. And it depends on the person doing it. A black belt in BJJ takes longer to get than a black belt in karate. Meaning the person doing BJJ would have more experience. So it wouldn’t be fair. But it all depends on the people doing it. Neither are better.
Joel Kitcher A bjj blue belt would maul a karate black belt, and I didn’t say for self defense, I’m saying it’s not a legit martial art if it’s ineffective in MMA
@@LearnTheLandScandinavia BJJ and judo are basically siblings. Neither is better than other, each simply specializes on one area of grappling.
Unfortunately not sure if all the information is accurate in this,
kenny brunton shut up.
@@mopilled bruh y r u so agressive?
Dude lol a karate fanboy there is SO many of you guys
It’s a bit of a open question but all things being equal bjj wins almost every time.
Thank you infographics for making this video. I had no idea jujitsu even existed until you guys made this video 3 years ago. This video started my jujitsu journey. I always wanted to learn an effective martial art but didn’t know which one was the best for me. I’m not the biggest or strongest person or the most flexible so jujitsu seemed like the perfect fit for me. I started my jujitsu journey in mid July of 2020. I’ve met so many amazing people and learned so much. My self confidence increased greatly. Between then and now I won a gold medal a few months ago at a jujitsu tournament and earned my blue belt last month. I hope I can continue this journey for the rest of my life! Thank you again for kick starting my jujitsu journey!!!
At 2:58 the background shows Aikido and it’s founder “O Sensei” while talking about karate.
Nice catch. ... I think the kanji say aikido too? I wonder if this is a stock image they used?
Who do you think is gonna win in a one on one fight? Karate or BJJ? BJJ EVERYTIME!
Not so there.