we need a dedicated team or officer in each force to take these matters forward - and the process needs to be made transparent to the public - thanks for raising these issues!
That is one of the best suggestions I have heard. This is exactly what is needed to attain a consistent approach. I would also like to see actual cyclists within the police force getting involved. Thanks for the contribution to the discussion and ride safe. Jay
I report to Herts, Beds and Cambridgeshire DET and when they do take it forward they inform me is "most appropriate positive action" will be taken. Apparently that means it could be: warning letter, Awareness course at driver's expense, points/fine or if that bad take them straight to court, but they don't confirm exactly what unless it gets taken to court within 6 months. When I spoke with one of the team it relies on the quality of the evidence and whether CPS will accept it as "beyond a reasonable doubt." Now at law school we were taught that is 75% threshold, but I was informed that in practice by the officer that it needs to be 99% certain the motorist has done something wrong. Read into that what you will, but I read that it needs to be pretty much certain prosecution because of limited public money ie the driver will be fined, pays costs and that goes towards general taxation. Conclusion: my experience, cyclists will never be treated by 100% of motorists as equal partners on the road, there will always be 10-15% who don't know or care about cyclist because they deem them in their way. Hence reduce risk and try and find quiet roads, shared paths (slow down and treat pedestrians with care) and like this fella wear a camera to record the most serious incidents. Take care and enjoy cycling. Don't let these idiots stop you.
Thanks for the detailed reply and very useful information. A lot of this I did not know and frankly, I find it rather alarming that the carrier for prosecution in these cases is so high. It's bloody ridiculous and a stain on the police that they don't have the time or money to pursue these kinds of incidents more vigorously. I think your last three sentences sum up perfectly the type of action we should take, when possible, and the kind of attitude we need to take. Jay
The other thing is that you need to submit footage to police via their website or National nexus one within 14 of the incident to take action. Police need clear footage of the number plate and the incident to send a s.172 notice to get the name of the driver. If out of time they won’t do anything.
I've been cycling 50+yrs, the one thing I learnt was to show indication. Here he show be showing his arm, going downhill stick a leg out if he's in the left lane and intends to go right, I see very few people doing it these days and wonder if I'm the only one who carnt read other people minds. but to be safe I show them mine.
Hey there. Like you, I have also been cycling for 50+ years and I also always indicate where I am going. I was brought up in the 60s and had to do my training and get a Tuffty Badge to prove I was OK to cycle on the roads. Maybe a good thing after all because letting traffic know where I am going has never left me!! Ride safe. Jay
I never thought about sticking my leg out instead of my arm, I will have to remember that :). A few times I have wanted to stick my arm out but the road surface was too bad to let go of the handlebars so I just turned my head to the right to look at the car and slowly moved over early to try and indicate where I wanted to go.
Terrible driving, but there's no way I would have left all that space to my right, given the roadworks. Take the lane and stop them even attempting an overtake until you have cleared the junction. Holds the cars up for about 10 seconds but saves several weeks for you in hospital.
I kind of agree with this and think on the whole, other than a few idiots, we are too polite as cyclists. I think there is a lot to be said for taking a more assertive line. Thanks for the contribution it is very much appreciated. Jay
I agree with you. More by lazyness than anything else I dont ride my bicycle as often as I should, but I have recently taken up motorcycle riding as my usual mode of transport instead of car and same things still happen if I don't take the center of the lane. Mind you this is with a motor vehicle that is not holding traffic at all and they still act the same! Ride defensively at all times and stay safe guys.
Biking360: 😂😂That was a line and a half "quite frankly you really can't fix stupid" and you can't fix that person's driving with a mind set like that!!
As I'm not a fan of sticking out sticks for propageting law enforced min distance from other vehicle, but in this case I can imagine this was very close call and yes, vehicle almost crashed cyclist. If he woudnt have this stick, he wouldnt know that this car was dangerously close to him. This saved him time to his reflex to respond quickly.
That's an interesting comment. I don't think I would like to use a stick or something like a pool noodle but you are right that it does make you think. Take care. Jay
Not as ignorant as the driver that nearly took the guy off his bike. Plus, no motorist has any right to be anywhere that close to a cyclist on the road.
Definitely not the cyclists fault, but this is exactly why I only ride on protected roadways, where the bike lane is separated from traffic. Not sure how you guys have it in the UK, but I will ride miles out of my way to stay on protected cycling lanes instead of going a faster route where I'm competing with traffic. Just not worth the close calls for me anymore. Maybe that wasn't an option for this rider though. Hope you all ride safe and defensively!
My understanding is that this was part of the gentleman's daily commute. The problem with the UK is a chronic lack of infrastructure and therefore the lack of any reasonable alternatives however you plan your route. Where do you live and what is the cycling infrastructure like there?
She had just overtaken him leaving him room, so where did she think he had vanished to for her to get her rear door that close to him ? I am a cyclist who has wing mirrors attached and uses them. Are her wing mirrors for fancy ?
Hes 1 of those awkward cyclists that has a stick on the back of his bike it after the car has passed he is positioned in the middle of the 2nd lane. this seems like a film that zoomed in as the car passes then it pops out when it passed.the cyclist is riding a bike that 3meters wide
I can't comment because I'm in Canada and we ride on the other side so it looks all sorts of wrong. homeboy is one of those guys with the arm out thing... indicating he's dealing with that often... which is my reason to say.. he's doing something wrong often. what I don't know but perhaps route selection even you know what I do.. I take the lane. it's mine now. I ride right in front of the car. they can follow me and wait. police advised everywhere as far as I know to do the same.
The arm out things are definitely very unusual though I have talked to people who have used them and they say they are effective. I don't think it is something I would use but I can see the point. Hope things are not too cold in Canada right now. Spring is hopefully just around the corner for you guys. Take care.
@Biking360 I'm in Toronto it's warm. We ride all year here. I blame the rider here. It's obvious he's gonna have an issue there crossing the off ramp and should have taken the lane and crossed over. Get in the way
You are absolutley righnad and I'd never though of it like that until you commented. Of course, the stick is part of the bike as it is just an extension of it. Thanks for pointing that out and ride safe. Jay
@@difflocktwo I did for a year once. A scary experience I now ride a motorcycle. As a motorcyclist I’ve marshalled some cycling events. I’m most weary on young males driving a hatchback. Especially if they have an aftermarket exhaust fitted.
I have a rule for this type of vidio. I look once and once only, because that is all the time the people involved get. now I have a bus licence a car licence a motor cycle licence and I have riden bikes for fourty seven years. When you learn to ride a motor cycle you are taught that car drivers make mistakes, when you train for a bus licence you are taught everyone makes mistakes, therfor you drive expecting people to make mistakes. niether person in this vidio was driving expecting that somebody might make a mistake. With all my experience driving around europe as well as the U.K., I still make mistakes ocasionaly. luckily when I have made mistakes I have been saved by the person spoting my mistake happening, and takeing action to avoid an accident. If you are going out on the road you first need to learn this leson, along with tolerance. whose fault it is does not realy matter. the only thing that matters is the pain caused. especialy if some child grows up without a parent.@@Biking360
@@Biking360 Motorist did terrible, but so did the cyclist. If one puts themselves into harms way - don't act surprised when bad things happen, and play the "I'm move vulnerable, so dance around me, but don't get close" card.
The highway code changes 2022 cover that a car shouldn't pull across a bicycle in exactly this scenario mainly I guess because the car driver isn't a mind reader so why are they behaving like they know exactly what the cyclist is doing. The only fault on the cyclists part is that in approaching the junction they should have considered blocking the lane to stop a car doing what it did.
There is insufficent coverage by the bike cam to know what is going on. It could also be that as the cyclist looks over his right shoulder his bike drifts out closer to the car. The car itself appears to be going in a straight line. From this film alone, no one can tell.
There is enough coverage to show that the motorist knew there was a cyclist there and started to overtake him with a wide berth, then thought he had disappeared off the face of the earth and didn't check her wing mirrors.
Very sensitive UK. I bike ride with trucks in OZ on one lane roads learn to ride on the left and ride to the road conditions. This bike rider was hunting for fame.
Then you don’t have a clue about safe riding in either uk or oz, or for that matter safe driving In both jurisdictions riders are advised to ride primary to ensure they are seen and so as not to encourage dangerous overtakes Even with that said it’s is the responsibility of those operating heavy machinery not to risk injury to other people
Didn't see any indication from the cyclist. Should have ridden more to the right imo. That way the car would've known which direction he was heading. Watched again. You can see something sticking out from the bike. I've never seen something like that before. Better off using hands the more traditional method. As shown in the Highway Code. The cyclist was hugging the curb . Car would have thought you were going left from the road positioning.
The car did cut close to him, so I blame the car. But, I also have to agree with you. In that situation, I would have moved further right and taken the lane.
The cyclist did not indicate because he was going straight on. How are you supposed to indicate that you are not changing your line? The stick hanging out from the bike as I explain in the video is to prevent motorists from encroaching into the cyclist space. Though clearly, it didn't work in this instance. It has nothing to do with hand signals. Finally, the cyclist was not hugging the kerb and was taking a good road position for the conditions. Regardless, it is the responsibility of the driver to give the cyclist room in whatever position they decide to take and not drive like an entitled, selfish and thoughtless tool.
As you know you need to stand out when cycling. Everything has to be exaggerated. If I was riding. I'd be holding the traffic up on this section. Rather get beeped at than give the slightest room for a dangerous overtake. Who's to say the same wouldn't have happened on his left hand side if he rode like I'm saying. He was obviously to close to the kerb because the car had enough space to squeeze by. You wouldn't get that if you hold your lane. A car and a bike doesn't fit side by side in a single lane. Not saying what the car did was correct. The cyclist had errors too.
Outwards-folding orange arms/flags with red reflectors were pretty common on bicycles back in the day. All your standing out and trying to be seen does nothing to stop a driver from killing you. Drivers gonna do what drivers gonna do independent of how visible you are.
Showing intentions by the cyclist? No. A glance (or two) to the right, over the shoulder? No A signal with a hand? No. Driver did terrible. But People don't read minds. And the cyclist should have done better too - let people know what the intentions are. Reactive cycling is good. But it should be proactive instead. A "B-" for cyclist. When I cycle, I look like a lit up xmas tree, and show people around me my intentions (arm signals, making eye contact, etc...)
The cyclist was going straight on so how do you propose he should have 'indicated' that he intended to continue to hold his line and neither turn right nor left? The driver also cut in so quickly that a glance over his shoulder at any point would have made no difference. Additionally, he had a stick with orange material sticking out from his bike so you cannot say he was not visible. Plus, the motorist had clearly already seen him since they moved over to give him space in the roadworks. This had nothing to do with visibility, signalling from the cyclist or lack of awareness. This was all about selfish, impatient, entitled and piss-poor driving.
I agree with you. My gut reaction when I first saw the clip was to wonder why the cyclist was so far from the curb. The car was signalling left and while they should have slowed and waited for the cyclist the cyclist could have helped their decision making by indicating right nice and early.
Are you sure the driver was a woman? I certainly couldn't tell from the video. The comment of "hard working motorists" I think was meant as sarcasm. From your remark, it sounded to me as if you interpreted it as negative towards the cyclist.
The driver was definitely a woman The mention of motorists being hard working was also undoubtedly a slight to cyclists by implication that somehow cyclists are not hard working. We are frequently told we should not be on the road because we hold up motorists from getting to work. Nice eh? As if we don't work or have places to get to. This is just a variation on a theme. We suffer plenty of verbal unwarranted abuse at the hands of motorists and frankly, it is sickening. This abuse puts many cyclists off from taking to or staying on the roads. The abuse of women is much worse and frankly, it is nothing short of bullying. Some of the worst drivers for this are in the UK. Incidentally, the cyclist in the clip is a hard-working medical doctor.
Cyclists are specially privileged to ride on roads paid for by the motorist and not them. They should remember that. All other non road tax paying vehicles, such as e scooters, cannot be ridden on public roads legally. As such, they should learn to share the road with paying motorists in a deferential manner. The road clearly bears to the left here and the cyclist moved over without any indication. The motorist in fact did indicate. The fact the cyclist thought it necessary to have that pole sticking out suggests he has had many other close calls in the past, possibly also due to not signalling adequately to motorists. I am both a cyclist and a driver and I regularly ride 50mph A roads without any issues from motorists, because I defer to them. Conversely I have constant issues with cyclists riding 2 abreast and not moving over with I drive.
Neither of my two electric cars cost anything in vehicle excise duty, so what you have just written is drivel. The roads are paid for out of general taxation, not vehicle excise duty and when you buy a bike you pay VAT and most cyclists also pay income tax. You don't have to pay vehicle excise duty to ride a horse on a road, but I bet you wouldn't pass one like that. Your comment about cyclists being deferential demonstrates a fundmental flaw in your understanding of the Highway Code and you should probably have to resit your driving test.
Roads are funded by the public. Everyone pays for roads, motorist or not. Motorist are not paying to use the road. Signaling is a car thing. People on foot and on bike do not need to signal. Why should anyone move over for you because you drive lol? You are a danger to your fellow countrymen.
![ประสบการณ์ จ้าง Developer ที่ผมจะไม่มีวันลืม [ภาค1]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bzivN4KDg-k/mqdefault.jpg)
we need a dedicated team or officer in each force to take these matters forward - and the process needs to be made transparent to the public - thanks for raising these issues!
That is one of the best suggestions I have heard. This is exactly what is needed to attain a consistent approach. I would also like to see actual cyclists within the police force getting involved. Thanks for the contribution to the discussion and ride safe. Jay
I report to Herts, Beds and Cambridgeshire DET and when they do take it forward they inform me is "most appropriate positive action" will be taken. Apparently that means it could be: warning letter, Awareness course at driver's expense, points/fine or if that bad take them straight to court, but they don't confirm exactly what unless it gets taken to court within 6 months. When I spoke with one of the team it relies on the quality of the evidence and whether CPS will accept it as "beyond a reasonable doubt."
Now at law school we were taught that is 75% threshold, but I was informed that in practice by the officer that it needs to be 99% certain the motorist has done something wrong. Read into that what you will, but I read that it needs to be pretty much certain prosecution because of limited public money ie the driver will be fined, pays costs and that goes towards general taxation.
Conclusion: my experience, cyclists will never be treated by 100% of motorists as equal partners on the road, there will always be 10-15% who don't know or care about cyclist because they deem them in their way. Hence reduce risk and try and find quiet roads, shared paths (slow down and treat pedestrians with care) and like this fella wear a camera to record the most serious incidents. Take care and enjoy cycling. Don't let these idiots stop you.
Thanks for the detailed reply and very useful information. A lot of this I did not know and frankly, I find it rather alarming that the carrier for prosecution in these cases is so high. It's bloody ridiculous and a stain on the police that they don't have the time or money to pursue these kinds of incidents more vigorously. I think your last three sentences sum up perfectly the type of action we should take, when possible, and the kind of attitude we need to take. Jay
The other thing is that you need to submit footage to police via their website or National nexus one within 14 of the incident to take action. Police need clear footage of the number plate and the incident to send a s.172 notice to get the name of the driver. If out of time they won’t do anything.
I've been cycling 50+yrs, the one thing I learnt was to show indication. Here he show be showing his arm, going downhill stick a leg out if he's in the left lane and intends to go right, I see very few people doing it these days and wonder if I'm the only one who carnt read other people minds. but to be safe I show them mine.
Hey there. Like you, I have also been cycling for 50+ years and I also always indicate where I am going. I was brought up in the 60s and had to do my training and get a Tuffty Badge to prove I was OK to cycle on the roads. Maybe a good thing after all because letting traffic know where I am going has never left me!! Ride safe. Jay
I never thought about sticking my leg out instead of my arm, I will have to remember that :). A few times I have wanted to stick my arm out but the road surface was too bad to let go of the handlebars so I just turned my head to the right to look at the car and slowly moved over early to try and indicate where I wanted to go.
Terrible driving, but there's no way I would have left all that space to my right, given the roadworks. Take the lane and stop them even attempting an overtake until you have cleared the junction. Holds the cars up for about 10 seconds but saves several weeks for you in hospital.
I kind of agree with this and think on the whole, other than a few idiots, we are too polite as cyclists. I think there is a lot to be said for taking a more assertive line. Thanks for the contribution it is very much appreciated. Jay
I agree with you.
More by lazyness than anything else I dont ride my bicycle as often as I should, but I have recently taken up motorcycle riding as my usual mode of transport instead of car and same things still happen if I don't take the center of the lane.
Mind you this is with a motor vehicle that is not holding traffic at all and they still act the same!
Ride defensively at all times and stay safe guys.
Biking360: 😂😂That was a line and a half "quite frankly you really can't fix stupid" and you can't fix that person's driving with a mind set like that!!
I agree 100%.
As I'm not a fan of sticking out sticks for propageting law enforced min distance from other vehicle, but in this case I can imagine this was very close call and yes, vehicle almost crashed cyclist. If he woudnt have this stick, he wouldnt know that this car was dangerously close to him. This saved him time to his reflex to respond quickly.
That's an interesting comment. I don't think I would like to use a stick or something like a pool noodle but you are right that it does make you think. Take care. Jay
Well, looks like the driver assumed the cyclist was going slower and she had enough room to pull in front..
What an ignorant F to attach such a pole to their bike?
Not as ignorant as the driver that nearly took the guy off his bike. Plus, no motorist has any right to be anywhere that close to a cyclist on the road.
Definitely not the cyclists fault, but this is exactly why I only ride on protected roadways, where the bike lane is separated from traffic. Not sure how you guys have it in the UK, but I will ride miles out of my way to stay on protected cycling lanes instead of going a faster route where I'm competing with traffic. Just not worth the close calls for me anymore. Maybe that wasn't an option for this rider though. Hope you all ride safe and defensively!
My understanding is that this was part of the gentleman's daily commute. The problem with the UK is a chronic lack of infrastructure and therefore the lack of any reasonable alternatives however you plan your route. Where do you live and what is the cycling infrastructure like there?
She had just overtaken him leaving him room, so where did she think he had vanished to for her to get her rear door that close to him ? I am a cyclist who has wing mirrors attached and uses them. Are her wing mirrors for fancy ?
Another thoughless and dangeorus driver!
"What a tool!" - classic!!!
Hes 1 of those awkward cyclists that has a stick on the back of his bike it after the car has passed he is positioned in the middle of the 2nd lane. this seems like a film that zoomed in as the car passes then it pops out when it passed.the cyclist is riding a bike that 3meters wide
Police waste of space, spend far too much time wandering around Sainsburys buying cans of coke and doughnuts,
Agreed. Or arresting people for saying something that hurt someone's feelings or thinking the 'wrong' way.
@@Biking360Or arresting someone for flying the Union flag. PS. Or arresting someone for watching something they download on a firestick.
I can't comment because I'm in Canada and we ride on the other side so it looks all sorts of wrong.
homeboy is one of those guys with the arm out thing... indicating he's dealing with that often...
which is my reason to say.. he's doing something wrong often. what I don't know but perhaps route selection even
you know what I do.. I take the lane. it's mine now. I ride right in front of the car. they can follow me and wait. police advised everywhere as far as I know to do the same.
The arm out things are definitely very unusual though I have talked to people who have used them and they say they are effective. I don't think it is something I would use but I can see the point. Hope things are not too cold in Canada right now. Spring is hopefully just around the corner for you guys. Take care.
@Biking360 I'm in Toronto it's warm. We ride all year here. I blame the rider here. It's obvious he's gonna have an issue there crossing the off ramp and should have taken the lane and crossed over. Get in the way
they made contact
You are absolutley righnad and I'd never though of it like that until you commented. Of course, the stick is part of the bike as it is just an extension of it. Thanks for pointing that out and ride safe. Jay
You repeatedly said "lady motorist". What language would you have used if the driver was not a lady?
Why do you care? Why does it matter? Lady driver gonna drive.
Do you commute on a bike? Do you interact with drivers? Ladies are always trying to start a fight.
@@difflocktwo I did for a year once. A scary experience I now ride a motorcycle. As a motorcyclist I’ve marshalled some cycling events. I’m most weary on young males driving a hatchback. Especially if they have an aftermarket exhaust fitted.
cyclists are supossed to stick their arm out and check before changing lanes. cyclist did not . driver is not a mind reader.
So you think the motorist did nothing wrong?
I have a rule for this type of vidio. I look once and once only, because that is all the time the people involved get. now I have a bus licence a car licence a motor cycle licence and I have riden bikes for fourty seven years. When you learn to ride a motor cycle you are taught that car drivers make mistakes, when you train for a bus licence you are taught everyone makes mistakes, therfor you drive expecting people to make mistakes. niether person in this vidio was driving expecting that somebody might make a mistake. With all my experience driving around europe as well as the U.K., I still make mistakes ocasionaly. luckily when I have made mistakes I have been saved by the person spoting my mistake happening, and takeing action to avoid an accident. If you are going out on the road you first need to learn this leson, along with tolerance. whose fault it is does not realy matter. the only thing that matters is the pain caused. especialy if some child grows up without a parent.@@Biking360
@@Biking360 more than that. I think you are a clown . your analasis is wrong. go back and examine it again and again untill you see what I can see.
@@Biking360 Motorist did terrible, but so did the cyclist. If one puts themselves into harms way - don't act surprised when bad things happen, and play the "I'm move vulnerable, so dance around me, but don't get close" card.
The highway code changes 2022 cover that a car shouldn't pull across a bicycle in exactly this scenario mainly I guess because the car driver isn't a mind reader so why are they behaving like they know exactly what the cyclist is doing. The only fault on the cyclists part is that in approaching the junction they should have considered blocking the lane to stop a car doing what it did.
There is insufficent coverage by the bike cam to know what is going on. It could also be that as the cyclist looks over his right shoulder his bike drifts out closer to the car. The car itself appears to be going in a straight line. From this film alone, no one can tell.
cyclist was going straight on, car turned left cutting the bike off, very clear from the footage.
There is enough coverage to show that the motorist knew there was a cyclist there and started to overtake him with a wide berth, then thought he had disappeared off the face of the earth and didn't check her wing mirrors.
Very sensitive UK. I bike ride with trucks in OZ on one lane roads learn to ride on the left and ride to the road conditions. This bike rider was hunting for fame.
Then you don’t have a clue about safe riding in either uk or oz, or for that matter safe driving
In both jurisdictions riders are advised to ride primary to ensure they are seen and so as not to encourage dangerous overtakes
Even with that said it’s is the responsibility of those operating heavy machinery not to risk injury to other people
Didn't see any indication from the cyclist. Should have ridden more to the right imo. That way the car would've known which direction he was heading. Watched again. You can see something sticking out from the bike. I've never seen something like that before. Better off using hands the more traditional method. As shown in the Highway Code. The cyclist was hugging the curb . Car would have thought you were going left from the road positioning.
wtf!!
The car did cut close to him, so I blame the car. But, I also have to agree with you. In that situation, I would have moved further right and taken the lane.
The cyclist did not indicate because he was going straight on. How are you supposed to indicate that you are not changing your line? The stick hanging out from the bike as I explain in the video is to prevent motorists from encroaching into the cyclist space. Though clearly, it didn't work in this instance. It has nothing to do with hand signals. Finally, the cyclist was not hugging the kerb and was taking a good road position for the conditions. Regardless, it is the responsibility of the driver to give the cyclist room in whatever position they decide to take and not drive like an entitled, selfish and thoughtless tool.
As you know you need to stand out when cycling. Everything has to be exaggerated. If I was riding. I'd be holding the traffic up on this section. Rather get beeped at than give the slightest room for a dangerous overtake. Who's to say the same wouldn't have happened on his left hand side if he rode like I'm saying. He was obviously to close to the kerb because the car had enough space to squeeze by. You wouldn't get that if you hold your lane. A car and a bike doesn't fit side by side in a single lane. Not saying what the car did was correct. The cyclist had errors too.
Outwards-folding orange arms/flags with red reflectors were pretty common on bicycles back in the day.
All your standing out and trying to be seen does nothing to stop a driver from killing you. Drivers gonna do what drivers gonna do independent of how visible you are.
Showing intentions by the cyclist? No.
A glance (or two) to the right, over the shoulder? No
A signal with a hand? No.
Driver did terrible. But People don't read minds. And the cyclist should have done better too - let people know what the intentions are. Reactive cycling is good. But it should be proactive instead. A "B-" for cyclist.
When I cycle, I look like a lit up xmas tree, and show people around me my intentions (arm signals, making eye contact, etc...)
The cyclist was going straight on so how do you propose he should have 'indicated' that he intended to continue to hold his line and neither turn right nor left? The driver also cut in so quickly that a glance over his shoulder at any point would have made no difference. Additionally, he had a stick with orange material sticking out from his bike so you cannot say he was not visible. Plus, the motorist had clearly already seen him since they moved over to give him space in the roadworks. This had nothing to do with visibility, signalling from the cyclist or lack of awareness. This was all about selfish, impatient, entitled and piss-poor driving.
I agree with you. My gut reaction when I first saw the clip was to wonder why the cyclist was so far from the curb. The car was signalling left and while they should have slowed and waited for the cyclist the cyclist could have helped their decision making by indicating right nice and early.
@@Biking360he could of moved over to defend his lane for a start
Proceeding straight on does not require a signal to the right.
@@johnpritchard8946
@@johnpritchard8946 car turned left from a right hand lane.
Are you sure the driver was a woman? I certainly couldn't tell from the video.
The comment of "hard working motorists" I think was meant as sarcasm. From your remark, it sounded to me as if you interpreted it as negative towards the cyclist.
The driver was definitely a woman The mention of motorists being hard working was also undoubtedly a slight to cyclists by implication that somehow cyclists are not hard working. We are frequently told we should not be on the road because we hold up motorists from getting to work. Nice eh? As if we don't work or have places to get to. This is just a variation on a theme. We suffer plenty of verbal unwarranted abuse at the hands of motorists and frankly, it is sickening. This abuse puts many cyclists off from taking to or staying on the roads. The abuse of women is much worse and frankly, it is nothing short of bullying. Some of the worst drivers for this are in the UK. Incidentally, the cyclist in the clip is a hard-working medical doctor.
Black Ford Hatchback BF21 CXK
*Black Kia Niro
Drama queen
Cyclists are specially privileged to ride on roads paid for by the motorist and not them. They should remember that. All other non road tax paying vehicles, such as e scooters, cannot be ridden on public roads legally. As such, they should learn to share the road with paying motorists in a deferential manner. The road clearly bears to the left here and the cyclist moved over without any indication. The motorist in fact did indicate. The fact the cyclist thought it necessary to have that pole sticking out suggests he has had many other close calls in the past, possibly also due to not signalling adequately to motorists. I am both a cyclist and a driver and I regularly ride 50mph A roads without any issues from motorists, because I defer to them. Conversely I have constant issues with cyclists riding 2 abreast and not moving over with I drive.
OK, but I am not sure how a cyclist is supposed to indicate they are going straight on. Suggestions?
So I am not allowed on the road in my car as it does not pay this mythical road tax you speak of?
Neither of my two electric cars cost anything in vehicle excise duty, so what you have just written is drivel. The roads are paid for out of general taxation, not vehicle excise duty and when you buy a bike you pay VAT and most cyclists also pay income tax. You don't have to pay vehicle excise duty to ride a horse on a road, but I bet you wouldn't pass one like that. Your comment about cyclists being deferential demonstrates a fundmental flaw in your understanding of the Highway Code and you should probably have to resit your driving test.
Roads are funded by the public. Everyone pays for roads, motorist or not.
Motorist are not paying to use the road.
Signaling is a car thing. People on foot and on bike do not need to signal.
Why should anyone move over for you because you drive lol? You are a danger to your fellow countrymen.
Ooh cycling bingo. I’ll just get me card
Grown men posting videos like teenage girls. Yes, it happened , move on grow up.
So, what are you, and why are you watching these video's that you despise and commenting on them?
Wuckfit TNUC.
Motorists trying to kill people. Whatever.
So you were disappointed that you were searching for teenage girls’ videos and found this.
Leave the girls alone Jimmy