The internet: Was it any good? Vanilla Rogues: "I am scissors. Everyone else is paper. Except warriors, which are rock. Scissors beat paper. When leveling, scissors also beat rock. Rock eventually becomes an unstoppable killing machine, but rock can't find scissors. And that is balance."
"My stuns sometimes miss. Other people come. Gay truckers come after me. They want my pants. Can't say I blame them, they are leather. They're a gay man's pants."
Once you play a class that can stealth, you can't go back anymore. Being invisible is the most powerful ability in the game, not just for combat, for other situations too. Just opens up so many possibilities.
Hello, i know you want to be nice with everybody with your statement but I am going to translate what i think you really meant to say: Invisibility is the most amazing kickass ability in the whole game since let you annoy, kill and gank other players and (especially) one hit all the lowbies you can spot in the ground. Don't get me wrong, i do love to do that too and that's why i am helping you to explain yourself without recieving all the hate of the rest of the followers of my favorite classic wow channel 😀😀. Best regards!
These guide videos are so good that they're the only ones I've watched to prepare myself for Classic. Really appreciate the hard work you put into these
Vanilla rogue is besides warrior the best fun class in classic. PvE might be a lil bit boring, since the only thing you have to do is dps but pvp on the other hand is super super fun. And you can go to the toilet whenever you want, thx to stealth :)))
A rogue has always been my first character. Ever since I started playing on my brother's account when I was just a kid. I'm going to be rolling a Rogue in Classic because I know it's going to be a gameplay experience I enjoy =)
was going to roll one too but dont want to have to respec between pve and pvp every time for raid, way too expensive and pvp spec apparently pretty bad for raiding lol. most classes have pve and pvp spec sure, but theres a couple that dont like frost mage etc
After stealth, i couldn't go back to any other class if i were to play wow again. I just loved the stealth ability (for ganking especially) too damn much.
7:10 I remember being so salty that my guild made me pick this spec instead of me spending half my dps talents on making stealth and such not suck over in the subtlety tree.
The actual question is, How feared was Rogue . . Ask me i had a Mage and a Priest. The the constant fear looms while leveling in Unguro crator or booty bay of getting Sapped, poisoned and stunlocked to death. Being camped upon and having no proper escapes except for blink and fear . ROGUES, Feral druids were seriously feared upon among cloth users. Until i made a Death Knight during lich king and it was an Overwhelming , Overpowering feeling to be on top of the food chain. .
I'm an old school wow player that stopped after wotlk, I'm going back in for classic cause of all the great memories I had with the game. My main was a rogue and I loved playing that class. However, I remember it was hard to get into parties a d raod cause everyone had rogues already filled. Now I almost want to play as a class that needs ppl like warlocks or mages just to be sure I have a higher chance of getting into. But I'm concerned that u wont like it as much
@@WillEmmo Nostalgia intensifies. Epic videos, with below average content everywhere I pray for content creators like you everyday. No netflix can fix my life but WillE and others can.
Rogue will be my all time favorite class. Started playing it on a private server. I was new to WoW and pvp'd only using hemo and evisc for 5 or so months without gems in my gear, lmao. shit was cash
You keep saying "unfair".. But you have to realize that a Rogue is an Opportunist.. just as much as a Warrior is a Meatwall.. and a Healer is a Fountain of Life. Celebrate the differences.. otherwise we all end up with the watered-down shit games of today. 👍 An RPG is nothing without these R's 😎 Good video though. Solid points and specs. Thanks 😊
I'm glad I found your video series, I'm trying to make the decision between rolling a rogue and a mage in classic and it's helping me make an informed decision!
Just a little clarification: doing pretty much anything to a new target causes you to lose your combo points. Want to loot the dead mob while your energy fills up so you can finish the second with a 5 combo eviscerate? Nope, you can't. So be careful.
I never knew that as a horde rogue you don't need poison on the main hand weapon if you have a windfury totem. Learn something new everyday, thank you.
@eatthat2 meh, I regularly had a shaman in my group, but tbf our warriors were trash and I was consistently top 5 dps in raid. I had enough clout to demand a shaman.🤣
I've got no idea if I should roll mage, rogue or priest. Mage is really good for all purposes, rogue is pretty rad with cooldowns being strong compared to later expansions where they barely got new tools and other classes got tons of new utility and priest is pretty chill for finding groups and leveling up slow and steady.
TBC + vanilla rogues had the strongest toolkit in the game. Every piece worked together. It’s not surprising they got less utility in later expansions because they were already so stacked. I easily think rogues their best designed class. When I finally broke down at the end of TBC and leveled a rogue it was an absolute blast. I can’t speak to end game gearing or grouping of course I quit the game when my rogue was shy of 60.
Well, been using daggers and creating my own talent route. Pvp realm... leveling can be a bit slow as it has no AoE cleaving, but then you just CC and take mobs down one at a time. What's the good side to that? Can 1 - 2 shot players, even if they're higher level, that makes it all worth it 👌
I have a lot of MMO experience, especially in ninja type classes. Would you seriously recommend getting into the game? As I write this I will look into if there are races to go along with these classes, and which “race” is the best for the class. I suppose I was going to mainly ponder wether this game will be gear carried or play style carried, and how much customization can I do with classes, like could I make my rogue slightly more tanky while keeping good dps for pvp.
@@oluff1153 if u want to be tanky Dont pick rogue, their kit doesnt allow them to be , with their low HP and light armor, even with defensive talents. Their defense comes from choosing which figts u want to take and caugthing others busy in world pvp and which ones u think u cant win
@@oluff1153 go warrior instead, but keep in mind they are very difficult to level however they scale very well at max level and are gear dependent while doing very good damage. If u want to be even more tankier roll paladin healer they are almost impossible to kill in world PvP if u know what u are doing. However u will do very litle dmg and are Boring AF imo
I played a rogue in vanilla. Me and my fellow rogues in the guild always dominated the dps during raids. In PvP you owned everyone 1vs1 except good warriors. In bigger fights the ability to sneak around and stunlock their healers is always amazing. Also sap isnt mentioned much but it was really strong. You couldnt just ae pull during dungeons you had to set it up. Sap 1, trap 1 and tank 2 etc.
Also the dagger spec is great for leveling once you get improved ambush. You just sneak from target to target almost 1 shoting them, needing very little time to heal.
Hunters really screwed up a rogues day though, hunters mark revealing stealth from 100 yards, flares, serpent sting, pet aggro from 100 yards whilst stealthed, annoying amounts of dodge and melee survival skills on a mail armoured class. When I played on my hunter I didn't fear rogues at all, if anything felt like they were a free kill. On my priest however I felt the rogue pimp hand very hard, often dead before even getting out of stunlock, when I tried a rogue myself I couldn't get over how incredibly careful you had to be, managing your energy with the slow tick regens, positioning and having cooldowns ready, plus how squishy they were when cooldowns were down and how quick a warrior could delete rogues with overpower. Made me have much more respect for them. Retail rogue in comparison is incredibly easy to play and lost alot of the PvP fear once resilience gear was everywhere.
I'd say that Improved Gouge 3/3 is a must for leveling. With no other means to heal apart from potions +1.5s of bandaging is a great thing. Also, for leveling Deflection 5/5 and Riposte are extremely good. Parry not only negates all damage but also allows attacking straightaway. And Riposte is a solid + to dps at the cost of just 10 enegy.
True, although I will point out that parrying doesn't allow you to make an instant attack, but reduces your swing timer by a %. This works well with slower weapons such as swords, since the % bonus takes more time off.
On live I think you go to the ship room of the deadmines and a secret NPC gives you a quest for the defias set transmog, + the mask is buyable in the dalaran sewers for coins of air.
7:38 Quite contrary, thanks to the access to great daggers and +weapon skill the dagger spec is way to go early on. Sword spec becomes better choice once you get CTS+Maladath combo in BWL.
hey man quick question for classic I’m pretty new to WoW, played very little during Vanilla but nothing since. I’m debating Warrior, Mage or Rogue at this point in time most likely Horde. If any of the three, which one is the easier to master generally. Would like to PvP end-game also. (Probably wont be the best but i’ll put some hours into it \:-?(p|P)
Id say depends quite a bit on your play time. Rouge is hardest no doubt then mage / war are quite similar. Warriors need loads of gear to be good. Mages don't. Also you get will of the forsaken if you choose undead which is pretty op
@@eMoRaL Yes gear matters a lot in both pvp and pve. Also yes im from the UK too! Also just had a thought theres no bgs till phase 3. So will be duels or open world pvp. So i think overall id recommend mage.
I don't really agree with your initial spec for combat swords for raids. Improved Eviscerate is more important than ruthlessness and improved gouge helps save healers from trash, as dodge / parry doesn't really do anything in a raid setting, but that extra 1.5 seconds is enough for someone to get a healing cast off or a self bandage if a stray whelp is gnawing your face. Also, the problem with dagger specs for later content is certain bosses you just can't backstab spam so the spec is dead weight. Combat swords is always the best though I did not do Naxx in vanilla so I could be ignorant of the fact.
Good points there. Specs are more centered around examples. I have seen good players spec either way. Daggers was limited by positions for sure but when you could use it later game it was so good. Could get super high crit chance with crit cap dagger spec and imp bs. Take that with seal fate and its awesome
@@Trazynn As long as you are getting 1v1 vs mobs and not resisted openers, otherwise you'll be popping cooldowns or running away. Energy generated hella slow in Vanilla, no dynamic regen meant waiting for those 20 energy ticks, using line of sight or running out of melee whilst you regened up was important since leather really don't give much armor. Rogue big cooldowns also much longer than retail, have to wait many minutes for your vanish, prep etc. to be up again for the perfect gank.
Are you making a warlock to save money? (no mount buying) etc. Otherwise I think a mage can save better maybe, sell water and food CHEAP! and than at 45 something you can start AOE farm in tanaris and earn alot :). My main will be a lock too ;P
@@tian2523 Yes and no. There's the big aspect of saving money (yes, the free mount @ 40) but also a nostalgic feeling as the Warlock was my main back in 2005. I rolled many characters later on and Mage was on my top 3 list (the other one was a hunter) and I absolutely love it, but I want to enjoy the journey and not make it grindy by speccing frost AOE. I am a casual player and in for the journey... my very best vanilla experiences were with my Rogue and Lock so I'll focus on those and then others will come for sure. Good pick Jonathan, locks are great, especially when you know how to use it to its full potential. Cheers.
@@tian2523 I like a lot of things about the lock. Mount is nice. The quests, the leveling. Good at basically all content. Ill have a vid for it soon where ill explain exactly why they are awesome! Also mages are super cool im most likely making a mage alt
I just can't decide between warlock and rogue... I find them really cool both for different reasons. What puts me off from just picking rogue is basically that it will be hard to gear up because of competition..
Can someone explain to me the mechanics of poison charges? Is it viable to use in dungeons or raiding, if you might even run out of charges during a fight?
So each attack has a chance to apply a poison, some enemies may be immune to nature damage too, so it will do no damage. You deadly poison does do more damage, but takes time to stack up and isnt used in Raids as it takes a debuff slot Damage wise you want instant poison most of the time, and it can run out mid fight if you start with low charges, they aren't used up very fast
The main point of weapon skill isn't about "landing hits more consistently" and it certainly doesn't become "less important later on." I think you're confusing warriors that turn their autoattacks from white hits into yellow hits (making them not benefit from weapon skill) with rogues who are always reliant on their white hits to do damage. The main point of weapon skill is to reduce lost damage from glancing blows, which is why it's very important to have at all gear levels.
Omg, this surely brings memories... I've rogue was my main for years and to this day, the most fun class to play. I made some twink hunters which were also fun, but the freedom that you had with rogue, nothing can beat that (except maybe druid lol) that being said, thanks for reminding us about reagents and stuff :D
The decision is Killin me... Idk what the hell to play.. warlock? Priest? Rogue? The choice is so hard, since I want to heal my squad, the free lock mount tho, or being able to come out of nowhere and ambush... This is tough.
I went rogue at launch, best fun. But i spent many months in the lvl 30 bracket just ganking Alliance in STV. I wasnt going to revisit this class in Classic, but after watching this, may have changed my mind. :) Thanks and Subscribed. :D
@@tekenertehee thats a good thing you get more gear from it im doing like 800=1000 dps atm on vael its like 1.6k could be better but my point is rogues are in high demand when it comes to damage
Stumbled across your channel! Great stuff! I'm looking forward to that priest video next, and hopefully that will help me make up my mind as to which three characters I'll claim right out of the gate. I'm seriously struggling to decide what to play this time around.
Not sure if you covered this but a big tip I recommend is to start building a regen set and hotkey with outfitter. Switch over during any downtime and hotkey back to main set before entering combat. You'll gain mana like a god and your overall healing in raids will be fire. This is also extremely valuable while leveling and further reduces time to 60
Can you maybe explain me how you go about leveling lockpicking? Do you just randomly find boxes and chests that you can try to open and if you succeed you level up? Or do I need items or something before I can try lockpicking?
@@facundomoralesdiorio3802 Thank you :) any chance I can do that naturely while leveling or do you need to go out of your way, too, like with most professions?
You'll have to travel to some locations where you can find treasure chest that will level your lockpicking skill once opened. It isn't that time consuming though.
Can you tell me why warrior’s your favourite? I’m rolling as our group’s tank and I’m trying to talk myself out of abandoning my responsibilities and playing rogue instead
I personally never went with the Ebon Mask... sure, it's a solid item and usually offers more DPS for you than the other two items.... but the -fall damage on the cloak has impressive utility in some of the BGs, allowing you to drop down most any of the cliffs in AB without breaking stealth.
both the other rewards offer harder to replace bonuses. Hell the ebon mask looks pretty lackluster compared to BRD drops once you examine what the stats give. Like If I remember right... the ghostshroud would give like .5% crit from it's agility and between the strength and agility on it was around 31 ap AND it gave you more health to stand in fire. Now granted it IS a higher ilvl item, but both are going to be stuff you run into around the early 50's. That said... jumping off the great lift and surviving is a good selling point for the cape, it also makes those LM => BS or BS => Mine rushes easier since you'll be nowhere near 'critical' health range with that drape on.
If my memory serves, the LM=>BS and the BS=>mine drops were actually within non-damaging range at certain points while you had the cape (The way they coded it, it pushed back the distance you could fall without taking damage in addition to reducing damage taken after you surpassed the new threshold), allowing you to retain stealth. It was also pretty handy when farming rep for the Wintersaber since you could drop down into the crevice at one point and onto a tower, and then drop down from the tower with minimal loss of HP at one of the drop zones.
Hello guys, do you think i can go troll rogue for classic ? speedattack berserk on troll + slice and dice and blade fury is good no ? i've heard 60% of dps in classic is by normal attacks or should i go orc or undead ?
Hey berserking is 10 - 30% haste based of missing health, not as good as it is on live. For pvp, you could argue either orc or ud - im going to make a vid on races soon that will help. For pve orcs are better due to blood fury
You sound a little like Robert Webb fro Peep Show. He plays Jeremy Osborne! Anyway, Rogue player here from back in the day. Great series recap. Combat Daggers will hit the biggest amount of damage end game by a long way. Remember to spec that faster dagger in the off-hand! It's also amazing for PVP. Poisons used to be an issue in raids. Also, they had no effect on many bosses! Its been years, so i cannot remember where to spend your points. It just works very very well. Back Stab is a blessing in raids.
im re-watching this one, the priest vid, and the mage vid to figure out which one I want to play. I started late classic early TBC and played a rogue. Loved it. Starting in Cata i switched to a mage. Loved it. Legion-BFA I played priest. Loved it. IDK WHAT TO PLAY!!!
High geared rogues had absolutely insane dodge chance in Vanilla. Had many a raid where the tanks died but the rogues just wouldn't die from boss aggro after.
me and my friend will play wow vanilla we both are going to do orcs he is gonna be hunter and i will be a rogue. so leveling will be very easy for us cause i can focus on going for backstabs very good video, very interesting and entertaining to watch ty.
okay, I'm still a lvl 29 rogue in Classic, going up the sword path and I have a question- you all talk about oneshoting other players in pvp or rogue being the cc train, but how do I even nuke someone like that in pvp? I'm questing around Hillsbrad right now and I don't want to just run away when factions are fighting near yeti cave or something. what abilities should I use for maximum pvp burst efficiency? also pve, all guides I see are just "X skill is your main combo ability" but what should I even use besides that?and during leveling? garote, spam sinister strike to 5 combo points and then eviscerate? but there is also the dot and the attack speed buff and I'm getting confused here :(
Back in the day, I always skilled ambush since it did so much burst in the opener. It was particulary fun against casters in BGs. Why isn't ambush recommended?
shouldn't need to vanish more than once? tell that to the lucky windfury +sword spec multiprocc... bonus points for thrashblade and hand of justice proccs stacking in cause they didn't 'fix' that interaction for too long.
@@WillEmmo there wasn't anything to 'fix' exactly. when you can hit a target and get 2-4 additional free hits that can crit or apply on hit effects... they did additional threat accordingly. the main fix they did was make it so those proccs couldn't procc off themselves and i think limit the chance for proccs to procc more proccs.... which WAS a very hilarious and bullshit mechanic.
The internet: Was it any good?
Vanilla Rogues: "I am scissors. Everyone else is paper. Except warriors, which are rock. Scissors beat paper. When leveling, scissors also beat rock. Rock eventually becomes an unstoppable killing machine, but rock can't find scissors. And that is balance."
Low levels and low gear rogues tear people up for sure
World of roguecraft
"My stuns sometimes miss. Other people come. Gay truckers come after me. They want my pants. Can't say I blame them, they are leather. They're a gay man's pants."
Some guys are stupid
Warlocks are mushrooms.
Once you play a class that can stealth, you can't go back anymore. Being invisible is the most powerful ability in the game, not just for combat, for other situations too. Just opens up so many possibilities.
Hell yeah
Truth
Hello, i know you want to be nice with everybody with your statement but I am going to translate what i think you really meant to say:
Invisibility is the most amazing kickass ability in the whole game since let you annoy, kill and gank other players and (especially) one hit all the lowbies you can spot in the ground. Don't get me wrong, i do love to do that too and that's why i am helping you to explain yourself without recieving all the hate of the rest of the followers of my favorite classic wow channel 😀😀.
Best regards!
@@neehime6 its just super comfy not to have to kill your way to the questspots and back (luckily there are superfast respawns).
I go unseen...
"Your key strength is playing unfair"
That statement made me love my class more than anything else I've ever heard
These guide videos are so good that they're the only ones I've watched to prepare myself for Classic. Really appreciate the hard work you put into these
Thanks!
I agree!!!
Regarding healing on a rogue. Food and pots weren’t the only choice. Bandages were great for healing mid combat with all those stuns. Great video!
Emil He mentioned first aid at ~ 3:10
Vanilla rogue is besides warrior the best fun class in classic. PvE might be a lil bit boring, since the only thing you have to do is dps but pvp on the other hand is super super fun. And you can go to the toilet whenever you want, thx to stealth :)))
Toilet spec bis
@World of Hearthstone .. Heheh, I think you are doing it wrong. Rogues terrible in bg's. 🤣 Good one chap!
@World of Hearthstone You're definitely playing wrong if you think they are terrible.
@World of Hearthstone rofl
Lol love the toilet comment....So true 🤣
A rogue has always been my first character. Ever since I started playing on my brother's account when I was just a kid.
I'm going to be rolling a Rogue in Classic because I know it's going to be a gameplay experience I enjoy =)
was going to roll one too but dont want to have to respec between pve and pvp every time for raid, way too expensive and pvp spec apparently pretty bad for raiding lol. most classes have pve and pvp spec sure, but theres a couple that dont like frost mage etc
Whiskiz Yo you could just play combat 🤷♂️
@@deaconsyxx322 yeah so the pve/raid spec
Whiskiz Yo check out this vid pal
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@@whiskizyo2067 you will do just fine as sword combat in PvP aswell, a ton of dps and burst with AR.
It’s funny how much classic info I’ve listened too, already knowing a good bit about it. It never gets old and I enjoyed your perspective
lol you spoiled the fun
Denis Black how
2:16 Dat Eye of Shadow drop though, sells for couple hundred gold in classic
On a private server, where u kill those mobs solo in about 4 seconds.., I think the fortune is not that big..
ROUG DO IT FROM BEHIN
yesh
That intro made me laugh hard... a nightelf just randomly swimming in the middle of nowhere XD
Druid aquatic form quest.
you must be a comedy blank slate
After stealth, i couldn't go back to any other class if i were to play wow again. I just loved the stealth ability (for ganking especially) too damn much.
Dude Master right ? I went from a priest to a rogue and I instantly loved it..
Loving you class guides! This is really helping me figure out my main and secondaries. Can't wait for Warlock...
Can't wait to make the lock one either! It's going to be last in the series though, plan to play one myself!
7:10 I remember being so salty that my guild made me pick this spec instead of me spending half my dps talents on making stealth and such not suck over in the subtlety tree.
The actual question is, How feared was Rogue . .
Ask me i had a Mage and a Priest. The the constant fear looms while leveling in Unguro crator or booty bay of getting Sapped, poisoned and stunlocked to death. Being camped upon and having no proper escapes except for blink and fear .
ROGUES, Feral druids were seriously feared upon among cloth users.
Until i made a Death Knight during lich king and it was an Overwhelming , Overpowering feeling to be on top of the food chain. .
I'm an old school wow player that stopped after wotlk, I'm going back in for classic cause of all the great memories I had with the game. My main was a rogue and I loved playing that class. However, I remember it was hard to get into parties a d raod cause everyone had rogues already filled. Now I almost want to play as a class that needs ppl like warlocks or mages just to be sure I have a higher chance of getting into. But I'm concerned that u wont like it as much
just play the class you love. I had the same concern about ret pallys but fuck it. I'm still gonna play a ret pally!
Same i dont want to wait 4 hours to get a group. I dont have that time anymore
Such a good video!
I loved how the rogue played and how when you leveled you learned more and more and gained real skill as your played.
Great class!
Next video
Classic WoW: Was it any good, though?
How about was it any good for each phase :)?
@@WillEmmo Nostalgia intensifies. Epic videos, with below average content everywhere I pray for content creators like you everyday. No netflix can fix my life but WillE and others can.
Rogue will be my all time favorite class. Started playing it on a private server. I was new to WoW and pvp'd only using hemo and evisc for 5 or so months without gems in my gear, lmao. shit was cash
REAL TAWK well there weren't gems in vanilla, since jewelcrafting came out in BC, so that's some private server
You keep saying "unfair".. But you have to realize that a Rogue is an Opportunist.. just as much as a Warrior is a Meatwall.. and a Healer is a Fountain of Life.
Celebrate the differences.. otherwise we all end up with the watered-down shit games of today. 👍
An RPG is nothing without these R's 😎
Good video though. Solid points and specs. Thanks 😊
Words of wisdom
Big tru!
He just doesn't like Rogue xD
I'm glad I found your video series, I'm trying to make the decision between rolling a rogue and a mage in classic and it's helping me make an informed decision!
Im glad! What did you decide on in the end?
@@WillEmmo Mage! The ease of levelling compared to the rogue was probably the biggest factor for me.
WillE, love the videos! Keep it up. Would love to see a Warlock video next!
Thanks have priest out today, Warlock next week tuesday ish
@@WillEmmo can't wait for warlock one :D
Just a little clarification: doing pretty much anything to a new target causes you to lose your combo points. Want to loot the dead mob while your energy fills up so you can finish the second with a 5 combo eviscerate? Nope, you can't. So be careful.
Now u can in retail
Slice and dice upkeep is usually how I get around that in classic. The extra attack speed likely does as much dmg if not more than eviscerate anyway.
I never knew that as a horde rogue you don't need poison on the main hand weapon if you have a windfury totem. Learn something new everyday, thank you.
You were rarely put in a group with shaman, because of warriors. So you better put that poison :)
Sharpening Stones also count towards the same, and for enemies who are immune to poisons, like elementals, this can be worth remembering.
@eatthat2 meh, I regularly had a shaman in my group, but tbf our warriors were trash and I was consistently top 5 dps in raid. I had enough clout to demand a shaman.🤣
I've got no idea if I should roll mage, rogue or priest. Mage is really good for all purposes, rogue is pretty rad with cooldowns being strong compared to later expansions where they barely got new tools and other classes got tons of new utility and priest is pretty chill for finding groups and leveling up slow and steady.
All good choices, tough one!
TBC + vanilla rogues had the strongest toolkit in the game. Every piece worked together. It’s not surprising they got less utility in later expansions because they were already so stacked.
I easily think rogues their best designed class. When I finally broke down at the end of TBC and leveled a rogue it was an absolute blast.
I can’t speak to end game gearing or grouping of course I quit the game when my rogue was shy of 60.
Well, been using daggers and creating my own talent route. Pvp realm... leveling can be a bit slow as it has no AoE cleaving, but then you just CC and take mobs down one at a time. What's the good side to that? Can 1 - 2 shot players, even if they're higher level, that makes it all worth it 👌
You have so much AOE as a rogue
@@awesomesaucejay481 blade flurry is the only spell what u on about
Just found your channel and I’m a fan, well put together and straight to the point
Thanks!
Being able to stealth to a boss and kill it made it easier to twink rogues. Just made shopping list and go solo dungeons
Thats true! If you were able to
I love the content, and you will become big soon for sure if you keep this quality up. Very informative videos.
Thanks!
My first character in Vanilla was a Rogue.
My first character in Classic will be a Rogue. =D
I have a lot of MMO experience, especially in ninja type classes. Would you seriously recommend getting into the game? As I write this I will look into if there are races to go along with these classes, and which “race” is the best for the class. I suppose I was going to mainly ponder wether this game will be gear carried or play style carried, and how much customization can I do with classes, like could I make my rogue slightly more tanky while keeping good dps for pvp.
@@oluff1153 if u want to be tanky Dont pick rogue, their kit doesnt allow them to be , with their low HP and light armor, even with defensive talents. Their defense comes from choosing which figts u want to take and caugthing others busy in world pvp and which ones u think u cant win
@@oluff1153 go warrior instead, but keep in mind they are very difficult to level however they scale very well at max level and are gear dependent while doing very good damage.
If u want to be even more tankier roll paladin healer they are almost impossible to kill in world PvP if u know what u are doing. However u will do very litle dmg and are Boring AF imo
manel costs thanks for the information, however, after learning more about rogue, I will be rolling with an undead rogue.
I played a rogue in vanilla. Me and my fellow rogues in the guild always dominated the dps during raids. In PvP you owned everyone 1vs1 except good warriors. In bigger fights the ability to sneak around and stunlock their healers is always amazing. Also sap isnt mentioned much but it was really strong. You couldnt just ae pull during dungeons you had to set it up. Sap 1, trap 1 and tank 2 etc.
Also the dagger spec is great for leveling once you get improved ambush. You just sneak from target to target almost 1 shoting them, needing very little time to heal.
Good points cheers! I should have talked about talented/ untalented sap really, a lot of people wont know how it works!
@@WillEmmo but great videos. Watched a bunch of them getting the hype up :)
Hunters really screwed up a rogues day though, hunters mark revealing stealth from 100 yards, flares, serpent sting, pet aggro from 100 yards whilst stealthed, annoying amounts of dodge and melee survival skills on a mail armoured class. When I played on my hunter I didn't fear rogues at all, if anything felt like they were a free kill. On my priest however I felt the rogue pimp hand very hard, often dead before even getting out of stunlock, when I tried a rogue myself I couldn't get over how incredibly careful you had to be, managing your energy with the slow tick regens, positioning and having cooldowns ready, plus how squishy they were when cooldowns were down and how quick a warrior could delete rogues with overpower. Made me have much more respect for them. Retail rogue in comparison is incredibly easy to play and lost alot of the PvP fear once resilience gear was everywhere.
don't forget so much. shadowpriests rape a rogue any day in classic 1v1. especially undead
I'd say that Improved Gouge 3/3 is a must for leveling. With no other means to heal apart from potions +1.5s of bandaging is a great thing.
Also, for leveling Deflection 5/5 and Riposte are extremely good. Parry not only negates all damage but also allows attacking straightaway. And Riposte is a solid + to dps at the cost of just 10 enegy.
Good points. Agree riposte is great also disarms meaning less damage if your enemy is using a weapon
True, although I will point out that parrying doesn't allow you to make an instant attack, but reduces your swing timer by a %. This works well with slower weapons such as swords, since the % bonus takes more time off.
@@joshholmes1372 Thats right its 40% reduction in AA swing
Oh boy.. It'll feel so good to wear the Defias set again.
Top tier set
I wore that red Defias mask for SO long!
@@GoingRampant92 I too was guilty of this.. And no regrets!
On live I think you go to the ship room of the deadmines and a secret NPC gives you a quest for the defias set transmog, + the mask is buyable in the dalaran sewers for coins of air.
Can you get all of its pieces in Deadmines alone? Can I run it multiple times or is it an instance that locks after a few times?
Love these videos! Excited for your Priest one.
Thanks, should be out late tomorrow!
7:38 Quite contrary, thanks to the access to great daggers and +weapon skill the dagger spec is way to go early on. Sword spec becomes better choice once you get CTS+Maladath combo in BWL.
Good point cheers
Hope they keep it Deathstriker instead of Felstriker; DW + Crusader, the nostalgia!
@@cwimalas it was always felstriker
dragonfang blade off vaelastrasz is sexy af tho
@@rinse261 It was Deathstriker at first indeed. They changed the name in 1.3.0
hey man quick question for classic I’m pretty new to WoW, played very little during Vanilla but nothing since. I’m debating Warrior, Mage or Rogue at this point in time most likely Horde. If any of the three, which one is the easier to master generally. Would like to PvP end-game also. (Probably wont be the best but i’ll put some hours into it \:-?(p|P)
Id say depends quite a bit on your play time. Rouge is hardest no doubt then mage / war are quite similar. Warriors need loads of gear to be good. Mages don't. Also you get will of the forsaken if you choose undead which is pretty op
WillE is this in terms of pvp also?
You from Uk too?
@@eMoRaL Yes gear matters a lot in both pvp and pve. Also yes im from the UK too! Also just had a thought theres no bgs till phase 3. So will be duels or open world pvp.
So i think overall id recommend mage.
@Alexander Makarov hardiness op
WillE okay so mage easiest to master you would say, you got discord?
So eager to see your review of the vanilla Warlock!
soon!
I just looked for that too! :)
@@deaconsyxx322 soon!
Just discovered your channel, loving the content! Got yourself a new sub
Cheers!
Great job. This was so comprehensive!
Thanks!
the closer to release the harder it is for me to decide on a class to main:(
GL!
I've decided on a class but can't pick race )= human nelf or ud rogue?
@@Yoman1289 obviously UD ! :)
@@Yoman1289 obviously UD ! :)
Rogue, mage, then druid or hunter. For sure for me.
I don't really agree with your initial spec for combat swords for raids. Improved Eviscerate is more important than ruthlessness and improved gouge helps save healers from trash, as dodge / parry doesn't really do anything in a raid setting, but that extra 1.5 seconds is enough for someone to get a healing cast off or a self bandage if a stray whelp is gnawing your face. Also, the problem with dagger specs for later content is certain bosses you just can't backstab spam so the spec is dead weight. Combat swords is always the best though I did not do Naxx in vanilla so I could be ignorant of the fact.
Good points there. Specs are more centered around examples. I have seen good players spec either way. Daggers was limited by positions for sure but when you could use it later game it was so good. Could get super high crit chance with crit cap dagger spec and imp bs. Take that with seal fate and its awesome
Improved eviscerate is not a good pick, ruthlessness is way better.
@@Pobo_93 If you crunch the numbers into a spreadsheet eviscerate comes out slightly on top.
@Alistair Bolden Good optimization points!
These are some of the best classic WoW videos I've watched. Period. Very good. Thanks!
Rogues are probably the most unique leveling experience you'll ever get.
Also the least stressful.
@@Trazynn As long as you are getting 1v1 vs mobs and not resisted openers, otherwise you'll be popping cooldowns or running away. Energy generated hella slow in Vanilla, no dynamic regen meant waiting for those 20 energy ticks, using line of sight or running out of melee whilst you regened up was important since leather really don't give much armor. Rogue big cooldowns also much longer than retail, have to wait many minutes for your vanish, prep etc. to be up again for the perfect gank.
@@cattysplat classic mobs are easier then on private servers u can pull 2 mobs as a rog
Yep, pulling 2x mobs and dpsing one while gouge on the other one. Then bandage
I can just imagine 1000 invisible rogues in Strangleton vale ... :)))))))
Tarren mill also, shit was crazy in the day, 50+ vs. 50+. Stranglethorn was nasty.
My main will be a rogue but my first character will be a warlock. He will pave the way for my rogue so leveling will be a lot smoother.
Rolling a lock too here man right on
lock and rogue is my thoughts too. Idk what to main yet between the two.
Are you making a warlock to save money? (no mount buying) etc. Otherwise I think a mage can save better maybe, sell water and food CHEAP! and than at 45 something you can start AOE farm in tanaris and earn alot :).
My main will be a lock too ;P
@@tian2523 Yes and no. There's the big aspect of saving money (yes, the free mount @ 40) but also a nostalgic feeling as the Warlock was my main back in 2005. I rolled many characters later on and Mage was on my top 3 list (the other one was a hunter) and I absolutely love it, but I want to enjoy the journey and not make it grindy by speccing frost AOE. I am a casual player and in for the journey... my very best vanilla experiences were with my Rogue and Lock so I'll focus on those and then others will come for sure. Good pick Jonathan, locks are great, especially when you know how to use it to its full potential. Cheers.
@@tian2523 I like a lot of things about the lock. Mount is nice. The quests, the leveling. Good at basically all content. Ill have a vid for it soon where ill explain exactly why they are awesome! Also mages are super cool im most likely making a mage alt
Almost forgot how many reagents rogues relied on, and how inconvenient poisons were back then.
Yeah rogues have 2 extra professions from poisons and lockpicking really
Bloodfang 100 % best looking gear set of any game at any time.
Idk man, Bloodfang is super slick, but the season 2 horde platewearer PvP gear was nuts
you should add time stamps for the aspects of the class you cover (leveling, pvp, pve, etc.)
Good idea!
I just can't decide between warlock and rogue... I find them really cool both for different reasons. What puts me off from just picking rogue is basically that it will be hard to gear up because of competition..
Can someone explain to me the mechanics of poison charges? Is it viable to use in dungeons or raiding, if you might even run out of charges during a fight?
So each attack has a chance to apply a poison, some enemies may be immune to nature damage too, so it will do no damage.
You deadly poison does do more damage, but takes time to stack up and isnt used in Raids as it takes a debuff slot
Damage wise you want instant poison most of the time, and it can run out mid fight if you start with low charges, they aren't used up very fast
@@WillEmmo Okay, thanks. I used to play Rogue from WotLK (Priest in Vanilla) and am torn between Rogue, Mage or Hunter for Classic.
The main point of weapon skill isn't about "landing hits more consistently" and it certainly doesn't become "less important later on." I think you're confusing warriors that turn their autoattacks from white hits into yellow hits (making them not benefit from weapon skill) with rogues who are always reliant on their white hits to do damage.
The main point of weapon skill is to reduce lost damage from glancing blows, which is why it's very important to have at all gear levels.
True I should have worded it better. It does increase your chance to hit by a tiny amount though
@@WillEmmo the first 5 points of weapon skill over 300 increase your hit chance by about 3%. this person is working with outdated information.
Omg, this surely brings memories... I've rogue was my main for years and to this day, the most fun class to play. I made some twink hunters which were also fun, but the freedom that you had with rogue, nothing can beat that (except maybe druid lol) that being said, thanks for reminding us about reagents and stuff :D
nice content keep it up u will be get the reward eventually and my main rogue lol
Rogue. Funnest class in WOW hands down.
Rogue warrior or hunter. I absolutely cant decide
Same but instead of hunter I'm thinking about a holy pally.
I mained hunter in vanilla and was really tempted to go hunter again. But I've been deciding between mage n rogue but gonna go orc rogue I think.
hey willE what will you be playing in classic?
Hi, im gonna be a warlock - ill have a vid for them soon!
Anybody remember the lvl 19 rogue twinks??
Have my sub my man! nice content, keep it rolling=)
Subbed ;) gz on the 1k subs... Looking foward at more content :D
Appritiate the very good video and this serie.Amazing man ,cheers!
Thank you!
@@WillEmmo Mate can you help me with a solid question addon please? and mandatory pvp/pve addons if you dont mind have time?
@@WillEmmo willitclassic.com/
The decision is Killin me... Idk what the hell to play.. warlock? Priest? Rogue? The choice is so hard, since I want to heal my squad, the free lock mount tho, or being able to come out of nowhere and ambush... This is tough.
Trevor B. Free mount, be easier then getting that gold for the mounts hhaha
Sounds like you are the ideal Druid player though
Combat dagger rogues were some of the highest dps in the game and ler you merk someone in an opener with thistle tea.. was nasty af the good old days
For tier sets, you did miss their incredible dungeon set 2 4 set bonus.
Yeah i just chose to focus on t1,2,3 for all classes to keep vids not too long but you are right!
I went rogue at launch, best fun. But i spent many months in the lvl 30 bracket just ganking Alliance in STV. I wasnt going to revisit this class in Classic, but after watching this, may have changed my mind. :) Thanks and Subscribed. :D
Thanks!
getting me hyped for classic! couple more weeks my fellow rogues =)
Nice profile pic! My rogue in Vanilla was a nelf
WillE haha same! Back in 2004 so thats what ima do with launch, fuck ittttttt
Nice vid, covered a lot of key areas which some channels miss - I think the only thing you could have added would be race choices / racials
True! That would be a good addition. I want to stay consistent across this series however. I will cocer races seperatly
Playing rogue becuase my uncle made it look cool to my 11 yr self
Stabbing from behind eh?
Ulysses Yang fr lol , rogue aesthetic too nasty
BlackHawk CZ this just gave me a boner
this is how u balance a server with 30% of people playing rogue
And the rest 70% are mages
Rogues are pretty unpopular on my server , especially on alliance side. Its like 30 percent warriors 40 percent mages and like 10 percent rogues
@@tekenertehee thats a good thing you get more gear from it im doing like 800=1000 dps atm on vael its like 1.6k could be better but my point is rogues are in high demand when it comes to damage
That intro is so perfect.
Stumbled across your channel! Great stuff! I'm looking forward to that priest video next, and hopefully that will help me make up my mind as to which three characters I'll claim right out of the gate. I'm seriously struggling to decide what to play this time around.
Hey should have priest tuesday ish, also thanks!
patiently waiting for the warlock video ;p
Got a bit more of a wait im afraid, Priest is next tomorrow, warlock will be the following week. Takes times lol
I'm also keen for your lock video!!!
*Ric flair enters the room*
Woooooooo
@@arrowman3848 Soon!
WillE Would also much appreciate Warlock :)
WillE you are quick ! Thx for the Warlock video.
WillE back at it with a classic classic!
Heya, thanks once again!
Not sure if you covered this but a big tip I recommend is to start building a regen set and hotkey with outfitter. Switch over during any downtime and hotkey back to main set before entering combat. You'll gain mana like a god and your overall healing in raids will be fire. This is also extremely valuable while leveling and further reduces time to 60
Regen all the mana like a rogue should
Really am enjoying the videos. Good work.
Thanks
Love these videos my dood
Cheers boss
@2:19 What´s that mod? Looks super useful!
Rogue and Warrior are my favourite classes =) What I like the most about rogues is lockpicking and stealth.
Can you maybe explain me how you go about leveling lockpicking? Do you just randomly find boxes and chests that you can try to open and if you succeed you level up? Or do I need items or something before I can try lockpicking?
@@sudoku3830 You level up lockpicking pretty much like herbalism or mining. You have to lockpick chest or doors that you're able to lockpick.
@@facundomoralesdiorio3802 Thank you :) any chance I can do that naturely while leveling or do you need to go out of your way, too, like with most professions?
You'll have to travel to some locations where you can find treasure chest that will level your lockpicking skill once opened. It isn't that time consuming though.
Can you tell me why warrior’s your favourite? I’m rolling as our group’s tank and I’m trying to talk myself out of abandoning my responsibilities and playing rogue instead
I personally never went with the Ebon Mask... sure, it's a solid item and usually offers more DPS for you than the other two items.... but the -fall damage on the cloak has impressive utility in some of the BGs, allowing you to drop down most any of the cliffs in AB without breaking stealth.
both the other rewards offer harder to replace bonuses. Hell the ebon mask looks pretty lackluster compared to BRD drops once you examine what the stats give. Like If I remember right... the ghostshroud would give like .5% crit from it's agility and between the strength and agility on it was around 31 ap AND it gave you more health to stand in fire. Now granted it IS a higher ilvl item, but both are going to be stuff you run into around the early 50's. That said... jumping off the great lift and surviving is a good selling point for the cape, it also makes those LM => BS or BS => Mine rushes easier since you'll be nowhere near 'critical' health range with that drape on.
If my memory serves, the LM=>BS and the BS=>mine drops were actually within non-damaging range at certain points while you had the cape (The way they coded it, it pushed back the distance you could fall without taking damage in addition to reducing damage taken after you surpassed the new threshold), allowing you to retain stealth. It was also pretty handy when farming rep for the Wintersaber since you could drop down into the crevice at one point and onto a tower, and then drop down from the tower with minimal loss of HP at one of the drop zones.
Videos are great mate, really good content
Cheers Kyle!
Was the rogue class any good? Yes. Thanks.
Hello guys, do you think i can go troll rogue for classic ? speedattack berserk on troll + slice and dice and blade fury is good no ? i've heard 60% of dps in classic is by normal attacks or should i go orc or undead ?
Hey berserking is 10 - 30% haste based of missing health, not as good as it is on live. For pvp, you could argue either orc or ud - im going to make a vid on races soon that will help. For pve orcs are better due to blood fury
if you go rogue on hordeside play orc its bis. 100%
oh boy, only if there were more of Classic experience and not dead from the release of TBC to the endless times again.
It was so cool when ppl asking me to open chests or doors in dungeons.
These days all I get is "open the door retard"
@@JadeDude1973 XD
Great video man
You sound a little like Robert Webb fro Peep Show. He plays Jeremy Osborne! Anyway, Rogue player here from back in the day. Great series recap. Combat Daggers will hit the biggest amount of damage end game by a long way. Remember to spec that faster dagger in the off-hand! It's also amazing for PVP. Poisons used to be an issue in raids. Also, they had no effect on many bosses! Its been years, so i cannot remember where to spend your points. It just works very very well. Back Stab is a blessing in raids.
Ill have to look that up. Also thanks!
Great content for such a small channel.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed
im re-watching this one, the priest vid, and the mage vid to figure out which one I want to play.
I started late classic early TBC and played a rogue. Loved it.
Starting in Cata i switched to a mage. Loved it.
Legion-BFA I played priest. Loved it.
IDK WHAT TO PLAY!!!
Im a serial re roller too, I know the struggle!
no tanking?!? evasion tanking was one of the most exhilarating few seconds possible in the entire game!
High geared rogues had absolutely insane dodge chance in Vanilla. Had many a raid where the tanks died but the rogues just wouldn't die from boss aggro after.
Yeah maybe I shoulda given a mention, a rogue could be a real hero!
Just wait till they release a burning crusade server and you get rogues full on tanking black temple.
We finished Onyxia the first time with me evasion tanking. You just become an utter hero to your guild.
6:16 Sylvanas looks a little....I don’t know, can’t put my finger on it.🤔
They used the night elf model for her until blood elves were added to the game.
me and my friend will play wow vanilla we both are going to do orcs he is gonna be hunter and i will be a rogue. so leveling will be very easy for us cause i can focus on going for backstabs
very good video, very interesting and entertaining to watch ty.
Orcs are a good choice too for sure.
let the leather and agility gear arguments begin
Lol me and my friend are literally doing the same thing, also orcs, I will be the rogue aswel.
When does classic come out/how much is it for a US player? Considering getting back into WOW!
27th august. you can download the game and make 3 caracters if you have a subscription in like 2 days
What’s that song called at 12:42
okay, I'm still a lvl 29 rogue in Classic, going up the sword path and I have a question- you all talk about oneshoting other players in pvp or rogue being the cc train, but how do I even nuke someone like that in pvp? I'm questing around Hillsbrad right now and I don't want to just run away when factions are fighting near yeti cave or something. what abilities should I use for maximum pvp burst efficiency? also pve, all guides I see are just "X skill is your main combo ability" but what should I even use besides that?and during leveling? garote, spam sinister strike to 5 combo points and then eviscerate? but there is also the dot and the attack speed buff and I'm getting confused here :(
appreciate the high quality video, had to hit the sub button :)
Thanks!
Liked and sub! Keep up the hard work. Much respect from me for start a new channel. Quality content. :)
Thanks Alex!
Back in the day, I always skilled ambush since it did so much burst in the opener. It was particulary fun against casters in BGs. Why isn't ambush recommended?
I miss those old talent trees so much.
shouldn't need to vanish more than once?
tell that to the lucky windfury +sword spec multiprocc... bonus points for thrashblade and hand of justice proccs stacking in cause they didn't 'fix' that interaction for too long.
Hmm, hopefully was fixed prior to 1.12 though. Still got feint too
@@WillEmmo there wasn't anything to 'fix' exactly. when you can hit a target and get 2-4 additional free hits that can crit or apply on hit effects... they did additional threat accordingly. the main fix they did was make it so those proccs couldn't procc off themselves and i think limit the chance for proccs to procc more proccs.... which WAS a very hilarious and bullshit mechanic.
Warlock Next?
Priest next. Going to finish on the lock
Rogue was the first class I played in 2004 and is still my all-time favourite. Once Rogue always Rogue....😊