I am looking forward to this ball as I am speed glitchy at times and I need to hook. I am throwing the Duo once the lanes transition, so this will be a nice 1-2 combo. Update. Got the Summit, love the tandem!! They have pushed from a solid 197 to a 210 or more when I don't brain fart makeable spares.
Damn sounded like an indoor carnival ride 2 lanes over...haha, I think the Summit might just be one of the new releases that could stick around for a while. Lots of hook, but still control, nice combo.
I've never thrown a face too but I love that ball reaction. However, the summit is probably one of the top five balls I've ever rolled. I've subbed in three leagues with the summit. All three games with the summit and all three times 700 +. Just ordered another one.
How do you feel the ball is doing now after getting some lane shine? I just got a Summit to replace a Phaze II as my ball one and using Revenant when I need to play more angular. Seems like a solid 1-2 punch when the Summit gets a little weak and predictable.
Do you drift left 5 boards? When you said you were standing on 10 and 15 it looked like you finished at the foul line on 15 and 20, respectively. Only noticed because you said you were standing on 10 and then hit 8 at the arrows - talk about keeping it in front of you!
Just be wary of the difference between how you throw it and how he does, if any. I'm higher speed and less rev (and lefty), so the Summit would probably look great for me from there.
@@dylanjackson7102 It might be, but also depends what you bowl on. Older wood lanes, light volumes, and easy house shots, it might be too much or it might just allow you to start moving in more. Slick surfaces, higher volumes, more challenging patterns (where there's more oil to the edges of the lanes) and this ball would probably work well for you. What do you throw now? What kind of volume/pattern/lane surface? And what does it do that you want to change?
@@nevinkinzel lanes were resurfaced 3 to 5 years ago. Medium to heavy oil on a house shot. Right now I use a Helios but it just doesn’t seem to carry. After the first game it loses its motion.
@@nevinkinzel I also try and stay behind the ball and roll it more. My eyesight is too bad too see the arrows which makes me really inconsistent if I try to move left and throw the ball out. Not sure if I mentioned but I use the Helios
I was told to get the P5 (and I'm a lefty). Some of the worst games I bowled in recent times has come from this P5. Refinished and got rid of some of the shine and it didn't help much either. IMO, that ball just isn't that great. Was debating this Storm Summit or Hammer Dark Web Hybrid as a replacement. Not a high rev bowler.
@@TheHype-Bowling A 3rd option which has come up is the Ebonite Fireball. Looks like that is more of a spare ball, though. Thoughts? *EDIT* I watched your other video and man, that thing hooks. My guess is that won't work for me and I'd be hitting Brooklyn..or worse.
On the shots where you say you're standing on 15, you seem to be sliding around 21 or 22... a 7 board drift is huge. It's that really what's going on? Just curious...
I'm puzzled by the never ending parade of hook monster balls. Given that most of the centers in the country now have decades old synthetic surfaces with lots of friction, who's using these things successfully? Most of them burn up too early and end up flat-10 machines...
Most people don't have a lot of hand and think that "stronger" equipment will get them more hook like the guys on TV or the high average bowler in their house. So they buy the newest, most hookingest ball that their favorite company releases. These are the ones that sell
@@TheHype-Bowling Yeah... the pros need their equipment... but they're a tiny percentage of the bowling public. And the "faces of the sport" are either getting all their crap for free, if not actually getting paid to throw them... so it still doesn't explain why Joe Average keeps buying all this stuff just so they can burn up and 10-pin all day long. I don't get it...
@@grillmaster95 ok... but that should only be a mistake that you make once. You'd think that after buying a couple of these "hook in a box" balls, and then seeing them check up too early and roll out, that maybe, just maybe they'd consider buying something that might actually produce results, lol... for most people bowling on walled house shots, these epic strength balls are actually a hindrance... yet everybody continues to think that 2+2=22, and they run right out to buy the next hook monster. 🤣. It's baffling...
@@Samuel-xs2yv On a long enough timeline you'll be done with every bowling center in the country, then... the powers that be have had this in the works for quite some time now. The owners (read: Bowlero, since they basically control the industry at this point) have wanted this for years because it'll save them a fortune in operating costs. The last remaining hurdle was USBC certification of string pins for competition, which they've now done... if a bit reluctantly. It's just a matter of time before free- fall pinsetters are basically nonexistent. Won't be overnight, and there will be the occasional holdout, just as you can still find a few places with old wood lanes... but for 99% of bowlers, string pins will eventually be the only option. Welcome to "progre$$".
@@masterp2269 It's exactly what it sounds like... pins permanently tethered to long cables. The machines cost pennies on the dollar to own and operate compared to free-fall machines, so most proprietors (in other words Bowlero, which now basically controls the industry) are all-in. Now that the USBC has certified them for competition, they will be coming to a center near you... probably sooner than later. Pinfall is a joke... pins get clotheslined by cables attached to other pins. You can make impossible splits with this clothesline effect, and even on flush pocket hits, they produce 7% FEWER strikes, based on the USBC's "research". They are an abomination, and an insult to the sport... and they're also the "future" of bowling. Welcome to "progre$$". There's nothing that humans won't ruin in the name of the almighty dollar...
That Video is a couple months old but comes with growth more critics of what I’m doing so in that moment I choose to respond. You don’t see that much at all in my content these days.
Just ordered a shirt! Appreciate what you do fam! Love the cross brand comparisons!
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I am looking forward to this ball as I am speed glitchy at times and I need to hook. I am throwing the Duo once the lanes transition, so this will be a nice 1-2 combo.
Update. Got the Summit, love the tandem!! They have pushed from a solid 197 to a 210 or more when I don't brain fart makeable spares.
Damn sounded like an indoor carnival ride 2 lanes over...haha, I think the Summit might just be one of the new releases that could stick around for a while. Lots of hook, but still control, nice combo.
Keep up the great work!
I've never thrown a face too but I love that ball reaction. However, the summit is probably one of the top five balls I've ever rolled. I've subbed in three leagues with the summit. All three games with the summit and all three times 700 +. Just ordered another one.
How do you feel the ball is doing now after getting some lane shine? I just got a Summit to replace a Phaze II as my ball one and using Revenant when I need to play more angular. Seems like a solid 1-2 punch when the Summit gets a little weak and predictable.
Thank you , i feel some problem my hand hold up not low with ball but it does not work hook but i need to practice more .
I'd love to see the Summit with polish in a comparison.
Please compare the summit with the sealth solid, they have almost identical rg and diff numbers thanks
Thanks for the video. Getting my Phase 2 drilled today.
Thanks for playing up the boards with less hand. I might need this for one hand
Great video. What surface do you have on that Phase II? Looks amazing
2k
I'ma keep watching every chance I get love the vibes bro and keep it up I'ma get ready one day
Did you do anything to your Duo? I just got one and really like it but didnt do anything to it yet
I touched it with a 2k pad by hand.
Hi , i need to know which do u use the ball 15 or 16 lbs ? Let me know please . Thank you.
15 Ib
I love my summit so much
Got my shirt today…thx
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I just ordered my shirt thx
I appreciate the support.
Do you drift left 5 boards? When you said you were standing on 10 and 15 it looked like you finished at the foul line on 15 and 20, respectively. Only noticed because you said you were standing on 10 and then hit 8 at the arrows - talk about keeping it in front of you!
Correct I drift about 5 boards
Peace bro ? Which is the best offset ball to you
Attack
Thanks for starting way to the right. That’s where I stand and seeing the Sunnit from there was helpful. The Phase 2 looked much better.
Just be wary of the difference between how you throw it and how he does, if any.
I'm higher speed and less rev (and lefty), so the Summit would probably look great for me from there.
@@nevinkinzel I’m a medium speed and rev bowler. Would this ball too much from the right?
@@dylanjackson7102 It might be, but also depends what you bowl on. Older wood lanes, light volumes, and easy house shots, it might be too much or it might just allow you to start moving in more.
Slick surfaces, higher volumes, more challenging patterns (where there's more oil to the edges of the lanes) and this ball would probably work well for you.
What do you throw now? What kind of volume/pattern/lane surface? And what does it do that you want to change?
@@nevinkinzel lanes were resurfaced 3 to 5 years ago. Medium to heavy oil on a house shot. Right now I use a Helios but it just doesn’t seem to carry. After the first game it loses its motion.
@@nevinkinzel I also try and stay behind the ball and roll it more. My eyesight is too bad too see the arrows which makes me really inconsistent if I try to move left and throw the ball out. Not sure if I mentioned but I use the Helios
Dude really said the ball was ashie 😆🤣💀
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When you always walk into the camera, where do you be coming from? Or is that just your thing? 😂 I'm joking. You've been doing great. Keep it up.
I’m coming from an alternate reality 😂
@@TheHype-Bowlingthat was a really good bowling ball 🤣😂🤣
@@TheHype-Bowling 😂
For league players, a post 100 game ball review would be cool, haven’t seen any other channels take that approach
I’d stand on the left gutter and let it eat 😅
Stand 20 and throw 2nd arrow was automatic with this ball for me.
You’re not the only one hating on the P5, Iove all the Phazes but the P5. It just doesn’t shape for me at all!! The P4 shaped a ton more for me!!
I was told to get the P5 (and I'm a lefty). Some of the worst games I bowled in recent times has come from this P5. Refinished and got rid of some of the shine and it didn't help much either. IMO, that ball just isn't that great. Was debating this Storm Summit or Hammer Dark Web Hybrid as a replacement. Not a high rev bowler.
@matteosummer79 summit is much more hook than the dark web hybrid. If I was a lefty I would lean towards the summit.
@@TheHype-Bowling A 3rd option which has come up is the Ebonite Fireball. Looks like that is more of a spare ball, though. Thoughts? *EDIT* I watched your other video and man, that thing hooks. My guess is that won't work for me and I'd be hitting Brooklyn..or worse.
On the shots where you say you're standing on 15, you seem to be sliding around 21 or 22... a 7 board drift is huge. It's that really what's going on? Just curious...
Yeah I say it almost every video that I drift.
Shiit I drift like 10 lol
Mine hooks like crazy
Agreed the summit is a monster
I'm puzzled by the never ending parade of hook monster balls. Given that most of the centers in the country now have decades old synthetic surfaces with lots of friction, who's using these things successfully? Most of them burn up too early and end up flat-10 machines...
Most people don't have a lot of hand and think that "stronger" equipment will get them more hook like the guys on TV or the high average bowler in their house. So they buy the newest, most hookingest ball that their favorite company releases. These are the ones that sell
Have to keep in mind the tour guys and gals need equipment and the companies have to keep the lineup full with options.
Yeah the buying bowlers range a lot in rev rate so people will pick them up. I
@@TheHype-Bowling Yeah... the pros need their equipment... but they're a tiny percentage of the bowling public. And the "faces of the sport" are either getting all their crap for free, if not actually getting paid to throw them... so it still doesn't explain why Joe Average keeps buying all this stuff just so they can burn up and 10-pin all day long. I don't get it...
@@grillmaster95 ok... but that should only be a mistake that you make once. You'd think that after buying a couple of these "hook in a box" balls, and then seeing them check up too early and roll out, that maybe, just maybe they'd consider buying something that might actually produce results, lol... for most people bowling on walled house shots, these epic strength balls are actually a hindrance... yet everybody continues to think that 2+2=22, and they run right out to buy the next hook monster. 🤣. It's baffling...
Wow looks really strong! 30mls or more for that thing 😂
Hard to judge you are throwing different shots with phase 2 and Summit
I put 4k fast on my phase 5 and it's a killer for me now reacta gloss is garbage imo up the boards is definitely a better option for the phaze 5
Nobody can play straight with a .05 rg that crap is for much less hooking.
I got a better reaction from my phaze5 after I hit it with a 2000 pad
To far right I don’t think so left is the position
RIP Sawgrass Lanes... another one bites the dust. Enjoy your string pins! They're coming...🤬🤣👍
Whelp I guess will get use to them!
Oof. I'd be done with those lanes
@@Samuel-xs2yv On a long enough timeline you'll be done with every bowling center in the country, then... the powers that be have had this in the works for quite some time now. The owners (read: Bowlero, since they basically control the industry at this point) have wanted this for years because it'll save them a fortune in operating costs. The last remaining hurdle was USBC certification of string pins for competition, which they've now done... if a bit reluctantly. It's just a matter of time before free- fall pinsetters are basically nonexistent. Won't be overnight, and there will be the occasional holdout, just as you can still find a few places with old wood lanes... but for 99% of bowlers, string pins will eventually be the only option. Welcome to "progre$$".
What exactly are string pins? I heard JR discussing it but never really understood how they work.
@@masterp2269 It's exactly what it sounds like... pins permanently tethered to long cables. The machines cost pennies on the dollar to own and operate compared to free-fall machines, so most proprietors (in other words Bowlero, which now basically controls the industry) are all-in. Now that the USBC has certified them for competition, they will be coming to a center near you... probably sooner than later. Pinfall is a joke... pins get clotheslined by cables attached to other pins. You can make impossible splits with this clothesline effect, and even on flush pocket hits, they produce 7% FEWER strikes, based on the USBC's "research". They are an abomination, and an insult to the sport... and they're also the "future" of bowling. Welcome to "progre$$". There's nothing that humans won't ruin in the name of the almighty dollar...
People who play the edge don’t have enough hand to hook the lane 🫠
2 nine pins in a tourney... weak sauce. I've stoned the entire back row in 1 game.
It’s a oil eating monster
Why do you feel that you have to explain yourself?
That Video is a couple months old but comes with growth more critics of what I’m doing so in that moment I choose to respond. You don’t see that much at all in my content these days.
@@TheHype-Bowling I think you're a very good bowler and I like how versatile you are. Love your videos brother. Keep making them.