The Massacre in the Cellar (Hopton Castle) | Series 17 Episode 5 | Time Team
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Tony Robinson and the team visit the remains of Hopton Castle in Shropshire. Although it's picturesque, it was the site of a series of gruesome battles that took place at height of the English Civil War.
Series 17, Episode 05
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I live near to the castle, since the filming of the episode it's been consolidated, cleared, a staircase put in to walk up to the entrance, walls topped off so that no more can fall and had a concrete floor put inside so you walk around inside, made safe and been opened up to visit for free to all.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing and updating us.
Shame about the Welshman who died there etc..Have Welsh in my family from Shropshire..
By chance I found a pilgrims ampullae from this priory whilst metal detecting in Dorset this week. The holy water was sometimes used to bless the fields for a good harvest. Dates to about 1300.
That is great to hear! Greetings from Ludlow KY USA
Great for all of that historic tale to be made available for the public in 3 dimensions. Definitely on my English Visit itinerary and maybe spot Mr. Tony and Time Team scratching around the ancient soil somewhere nearby !
I love how Tony and Helen discuss looking for a water-logged cellar while sitting on the bank of a small, rectangular pond…
I love this show. When I'm depressed or stressed out, the Time Team always manages to help me forget my woes by reminding me that the woes of our ancestors were far worse....😱
Theres nothing like watching funny, enthusiastic, inquisitive Archaeologists, all in a really big hurry!😊⛏
Well done time team keep it up time team members 🏅🏅🏅🏅💪💯🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🎆🤑🤑🤑💜💙💚👍👍👍👍
I can understand that feeling but watching time has put my mind in a different place.
Thank you time team very interesting programs
As an American I'm loving this UK show.
Same here...You can also catch episodes with a FireStick.
I’m also an American loving these Time Team videos on TH-cam.
Right! I keep thinking, "Roman finds are just normal to them!"
One of my all-time favorite shows. Many years ago there was a network called Discovery Civilization which is where I first found Time Team. Discovery civilization disappeared, but now I am finding Time Team on TH-cam and most episodes are new to me.
hello fellow American. I'm a big fan too. you into the new episodes too?
They only dug a tiny fraction of the sight and yet found a cannon ball, gold coin, musket balls, and a guy's tooth. Imagine how much more still lays under the ground for future archaeologists to find one day.
The guy who had the slow match was once my history teacher- he taught my second year at Secondary School, which included Early American history. It was common knowledge in the school that he was part of the Sealed Knot, but we always thought it was just his crazy hobby...
That’s actually kinda cool that you recognize someone on the show! Totally get the weird hobby thing though, for us it was our physics teacher at my school. He liked to do LARPing and even started an informal club at our school for it. Not really anything on the books, they’d just meet on the baseball field every couple of weeks.
Now you know it wasn't just a hobby, it was his life
Thank for sharing with us this story
I would *LOVE* to have a beer with Phil! He's such an upbeat, funny person. 👍
it's on my bucket list too.
How i miss Channel 4s Time Team.Sunday evenings episodes were a must watch..Tonys enthusiasm, Phils keen ness to get stuck in,and the late Mick Astons knowledge...it was great.....Britain has so much rich history,they should bring it back.
I think they are aren't they? I saw something about a new series starting with a dig at *Sutton Hoo.*
They are indeed bringing it back. They are funding it all through Patreon and have already filmed the first two new digs. Hopefully they'll be released in the new year sometime.
@@stephenreid7231 n
@@pup1008 wont be the same without the original crew
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No, you are right. Watched a couple & it's not the same. I think Phil is in it too although I might be getting confused with some other stuff he is doing independently like the Waterloo dig.
I would watch Phil watching paint drying, he is a wonderful guy & national treasure!
This has been the most interesting episode, because men were involved in a death struggle. Shards of pottery don't compare with hopelessness. The defenders expected they were going to be killed whether or not a fight occurred. They expected no mercy would be given, so they gave none in return. They gave as bloody a defense as could be given. The glimmer of mercy was an illusion. It is thankful we still hear their names today.
After watching these shows for the last year I've come to the conclusion that the ancient people of Britain all had the same hobby of tossing pottery all over the countryside.
I just watched an episode that explained a cooking pot only lasted a week. So there was a lot of pot to go around.
People will be saying in the future, that we threw plastic everywhere and they would be right, unfortunately.
It was a common pastime..lol
😂😂😂
They really said “yeet” huh
Nasty piece of work was Sam Moore. "In 1616, Samuel More accused his wife Katherine More of adultery and bearing four children with Jacob Blakeway, a neighbour. Samuel More, under his father Richard's direction, removed the four children from their home. Four years later, without their mother's knowledge, they were transported to the New World on board the Pilgrim Fathers' ship the Mayflower". 3 of the 4 children died that winter and are commemorated on the Pilgrim Memorial Tomb, Cole's Hill, Plymouth, Massachusetts
That's so disgusting and horrific! What a cruel man he was!
Jeez 🤯 That poor mother - did she ever find out what had happened to them? Just illustrates the awfulness that was women's lack of rights in those days - in legal terms, essentially Sam owned the kids & could do what he liked without his wife having any say in it 😒
And what a weird situation - after FOUR KIDS he suddenly decided that they had been fathered by someone else? Did he come across his wife & the nileighbour in flagrante, or did he just have a nasty suspicious mind....?
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 So cool that in today's age, women seem to have been given that same privilege over children and men just get to pay them for leaving and taking their children with them. Apparently its not all that awful when the shoe is on the other foot, how progressive!!
@@michaelrudolph7003 well done for seguing a harrowing historical story into your mens rights rant
I'm always amazed at the sheer amount of history in the UK. It's crazy to think how much happened on those relatively small islands. And just like this show, there's more being found out almost every time someone digs.
I wish there was unlimited time team episodes
Phils laugh makes me smile every time i hear it.
Found this show about a month ago. I have just about watched every episode I can find. Phil is my favorite character along with Tony, Rahsha, and Tracey. Love the whole cast but those 4 are my favs.
Very much appreciate this program 🥰 from South Carolina USA. I must say your programs are outstanding
same here im from sc usa and im enjoying this a lot
This is really one of the better episodes. Amazing. Love Phil Harding in this one.
Lets face it if the attackers had lost many friends in the face of stubborn defenders and were still determined to get in,they were going to exact revenge once inside
Love this place, as a Stone Mason I had the pleasure of assisting in the large scale conservation.
One of my favourite TimeTeam episodes for sure - Helen is so quintessentially English !
I love time team! I am so proud of you all for continuing on. If I were a billionaire I’d give you your own channel!
This reminds me of the Lamont massacre by the Campbells in Dunoon, Argyll. In 1646. The Campbells asked for hospitality, which was given at the Lamont stronghold of Castle Toward. The Lamonts were then slaughtered in their beds and the bodies thrown down the well to poison the water. After the Lamonts surrendered, the Campbells reneged on the terms. The Lamonts were then taken to Dunoon and over 200 hundred Lamont Clan members were killed. I grew up in Toward and then Dunoon. The castle is still partially standing in Toward and there is a monument to the massacre in Dunoon.
You could expect a 'massacre' in those days. When the besiegers set up, they invited you to surrender. If you did, the besiegers got a new castle, you walked out, bearing arms. If you didn't, your garrison was besieged, until a breach was smashed through your wall. If you surrendered then, you might expect recrimination and loss of weapons and property.
If you carried on fighting, the 'rules' of those days allowed the besiegers to kill the stubborn lot of you, for wasting their time and manpower...
Exactly..referring to it as a war crime was foisting 20th century attitudes onto 17th century Soldiers. Parliamentarian Soldiers committed much worse.
@@jamesmaclennan4525 ... and I don't think things have changed too much... despite updated rules of behaviour. Soldiers who are exhausted, battle-weary and have lost mates in the battle and against an enemy (who could have surrendered) are often in no mood to take prisoners... the immediate aftermath of a battle is always dangerous for defeated soldiers. Nothing changes. War has always been brutal.
I don't think that " surrender now or die" idea was still prevalent as late as the Civil War... I suspect THIS massacre was caused more by the defenders success in killing so many of the attackers... We will never know of course...
@@christophernixon367 This!
Thank you for penning this - I wanted to say the same. If you were offered quarter, you could expect to surrender with honour and your lives. If you declined quarter, then your lives were forfeit, at the whim of the opposing commander if he managed to make you surrender. There were many equivalents, all the way into the Napoleonic wars and beyond, where such massacres were within the rules of the time.
It's poor from Tony to use the terms murder and war crime so anachronistically.
I want to visit this country so badly it makes me cry just to think about. Wish I could.
Why would you want to come here???
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Seeing the story of this site unfold makes the siege even more desperate and they never knew who won the war.
12 million Russians died in a war they won.
Missing Mick still. RIP fine gentleman.
I loved this growing up as a kid. Still love the show thanks so much for this channel. I'm reliving my childhood and learning amazing history. Thanks guys love to all the time team
Has time team ever been to berkhamstead castle and we have a Roman villa in Hemel that needs digging
So glad for new episodes
Wish tony Robinson would be the presenter on the new episodes as love his maid Marion and baldrick days
It would so glad if they went to Israel 🇮🇱
I've been binge watching your videos for a few weeks now, and this was one of your most interesting for it's history.
This dig always looked like a lovely dig, good team, nice weather, good finds, and a good story.
Time Team was pure bingeworthy to back in the day ❤️🖤
I have watched almost all the time team episodes and they were all amazing so far so good 🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅👍👍👍👍👍💚💚💚💚💚🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅Well done for all your hard work Troy a 7, years, old
I always try to pull up a current satellite view of the area the episode is focused on (and in some cases, using the GPS coordinates) to give me a better orientation of where they’re taking in relationship to the surrounding area.
Thats a top tip! I just had a look and saw some interesting bits!
Wouldn't it be amazing if they'd get the opportunity to go back to nearly every site they have dug.. Plot twist they get an Extra 3 days. Great watch 👍
I'd love to see all the sites again. Find out what was discovered from them, after the show aired. Any further digs there. How the land may have been re scheduled if scheduled lands or not,...
@@bainfinch Well, me too!!!!
At last! Helen Geake. Love her just as much as Carenza. (And Phil, Mick, Tony, Robin.... )
Yet another terrific episode... proving once again, man's addiction to religion and the idiocy of it. So much death in the name of God.
Monotheism is just one of the many forms that bigotry takes. Nationalism, racism, transphobia, homophobia, misogyny, classism, ageism, etc, are all based on unfounded biases (delusions) and unwarranted fear (cowardice).
Monotheism though is the most insidious form of bigotry. It is the belief that everyone can *only* have the exact same invisible friend, and that this invisible friend can only do and say the things the wealthy elite say they can.
And even more deaths in the name of Atheism.
@@bosse641 I mean not really. No ones gone to war for atheism unlike the many times people went to war for their god.
@@Spartan265 Nothing has killed more people than Atheism. ...by far the biggest killer of all. Just look into it. Not difficult to find the facts.
@@bosse641 And who killed the atheists? Religious nut jobs trying to convert them into believers.
After 23 years as an archaeologist and researcher, I was a bit tired of the way archeology was represented on TV (yawn). Time Team broke the mold and succeeded in the mission of how insanely exciting archeology can sometimes be. That it is not about treasure hunting, how deep and varied knowledge is required and how heavy the work is. The only "academic" profession that requires both manual labor and book learning.
I also appreciate your shirt choice, to remember the brutal massacre that happened there.
I was so waiting for the finding of the place where those brave men met their end. I think that some places should have an additional 3 days. Way to much to do with very little time to do it makes me think a lot is guessing. These guys are extremely entertaining and could have probably done 4 shows on this spot.
Phil would make the coolest uncle! I'm jealous
Another. Great video. See you on the next!👍🇬🇧😊🇺🇸
I’m happy to see this video, I did not see what was said to be shown last year. Moore is a family name, I have no idea if Colonel Moore was family.
That was Colonel Samuel More (or More) of Linley about 10 miles away.
Love this! Would love to see what it’s like now. Have they kept digging?
I have two books on Shropshire during the English Civil War and neither shed much light on your question. I have collected a lot of books on the Civil War in a very short space of time and if one of the others offers any insights I'll come back to you.
Their professionalism, commitment to their band of brothers, their training, skills, and courage speak of a New Model Army, doesn’t it? But what do I know as a Yankee about the English Civil War? Aside from:
Oliver’s Army is here to stay,
Oliver’s Army are on their way,
And I would rather be anywhere else but here today.
Found out I’m a descent of the Hoptons. This is very enlightening info about my ancestors and I am very grateful!
Same..Some family members turned there surnames from HOPTONS to HOPKINS..
Im an American and I absolutely love Time Team! Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in (do Brits use this saying? lol) but I wanted to give my take on why the order was given to kill all the castle defenders. This was a war, and as we have seen, battles can often times become about the ones who you are fighting beside more so than the overall cause. Remember, not only did the Parliamentarian's refuse to surrender multiple times, but shot to pieces a LOT of Royalists. I would be willing to bet that they were put to the sword out of vengeance after seeing their fellow soldiers killed. Every war ever fought has this type of thing happen. Movies have used this many many times as part of a story arc. A very brutal, bloody and cruel act indeed but a very human one as well.
'Put in one's twopence worth' Not a popular saying in the UK any more though. Typically condensed to 'put my pennies worth in'. I haven't personally heard it said in recent memory.
I love these shows so much! Thank you
This was amazing! Thank you time team
20:28 Someone wanted to walk through behind Phil but noticed the filming and had to double back lmao
"Oopsie. There be camera down there!" Good observation!
Love Time Team. Hello & thanks from a Coal mining, Eastern Kentucky Hillbilly
Can you understand what they are talking about with there funny accent??
@SECRETORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR mostly. Sometimes I have to ask a smart ass,skinny jeans wearing, urban types to act as interpreters. They translate English into Appalachian American. We dumb Ole Hillbillies would never survive without the generosity & help from those skilled & experienced flat landeres.
@SECRETORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR the hillbillies or the English?😊
Well timed release considering the proposed pardons for the many murdered witches.
It would be interesting dig out the full cellar!
Excellent story told.
Thanks for posting
I wish the show & do a revisit to sites changed or new discoveries they've had since the show.
They have only a couple'of times though..
I learn so much from this show! So amazing to see proof of so much history.
I wonder how many tons ( short ton, long ton, and metric tons) of soil Phil Harding has moved with a shovel and trowel in his career?
I think the bodies were probably taken away. They didn't have to be taken directly after the battle as the parliamentarians won the war. They could have been recovered anytime between then and the restoration.
Diane Purkiss...she of the cold shoulder look...decades before it was fashionable...made me laugh...sunning herself?🤪😁
18:58
Decades before? How old are you honey? We were doing it in the 80s. Ever see an early Madonna video? I thought Diane might be sunning herself too as it’s pretty inappropriate this century. PS this was made after 2010
Waiting for time team episodes 😕
I do love a good mystery
My ancestors castle was called Shipbrook, De Vernon family.
The "cannon' that Phil fired is really a small trench mortar. It is meant to be fired at a 45 degree angle or higher, not almost horizontal as he fired it. In real combat, firing at that angle might well have a live shell rolling around behind your own lines.
I love guns where it's a gamble as to which end is going to go off.
This was a great episode
i just found this channel. I have so much catching up to do....
9:55 “Where they are Geo-fizzing” made me laugh, as I conjured up the FIZZING going on! A little mud-champagne?
Another great Time Team!!!
Thank you
Carbon below the wall works makes sense. They burnt off the nettles before they put up the wall. The carbon would also demonstrate that the structure was not well maintained. The fort was probably unmanned until the Parliamentarians faced a threat.
das tooth, starvation is part of a seige is it not? Scurvy.
AS someone whom was a re enactor(american civil war not british civil war) i can tell you it isnt easy to fire in rapid amounts with muskets....saying that with the amrican civil war they were more advanced muzzle loaders that then advanced into auto fire guns....the group i was a part of could fire over 6 round a minute ...i have said less then i think it was so as to not make a mistake so her is hoping non#e of them see this and tell me off for getting it wrong.....without realising it i mimicked an actual relative from the american civil war,he started on the union side and ended up fighting till the end on the confederate side...the years of starvation disease and burnt homes farms and family.....he just couldnt leave his family and their none slave owning farm alone to face this....anyways...heres hoping they keep digging and finding the lives of those before us.Best wishes to all See you later.XXX
I'll coin the title here...."Englishtologist", like Egyptology some specialized branch of anthropology that in spite of written and graphical historical objects, apparently of little use, that even when there...can't be fully understood or validated.
Using a map showing all the castles north by affiliation only makes sense to claim 'an Alamo' when you see the area further to the south.
Loving the programme. Hating the identical unskippable National Lottery ad literally every five minutes. Make it stop!
I'm not getting any Adverts do you live in America???
Phils short shorts are epic!
I admire how the women work so hard on those shovels .
I seen the muskets fired at the drumhead at Worcester by the Worcester reenactors every September
This was one of my favourites. I love it when there's some good, geometry and solid structures revealing themselves the deeper they go. Graves are meh, boring for me. Round houses, fire pits, meh, Iron age blah blah...
But good, solid CASTLES... RRRrrrrr!!! Love it :) I miss this on TV so much, I can't understand why it was axed from TV, it was so popular! :(
All this history, fighting take over by invaders...yet no one is complaining 100 years down the track like they do in the USA. A lesson to be learnt. My ancestors were in loincloths whilst the romans came in with aqueducts and buildings. I see this a leap forward. No complaints here.
This episode has already been uploaded one year ago.
Could we stop with the double uploads and have the ones not previously uploaded instead please?
I can't see it in their list of videos, perhaps you're thinking of an unofficial source.
@@Timotei75 Nope. Go to their channel, videos, scroll down, ctrl+f "cellar".
It's there.
@@Timotei75 th-cam.com/video/KrxrwxPro2o/w-d-xo.html
Catrinel's link says uploader has not made the video available in my country so today's upload is not really a duplication, it's just making it available to UK viewers.
@@ivaneames4354 Be as it may, considering that the dig is already available. the geoblocking could be done with easily.
If my genealogical work is correct, Samuel Moore was my 9th great grandfather.
I wouldn’t be too proud about that when you read about him 😱
@@vickystewart6720 Yeah I know, Shipped his kids of to America by themselves. You can't choose your ancestors.
My school houses were named after these local houses. I was in Hopton 😁
Hoping for some more uploads soon!
It’s interesting,whereas we nowadays call slabs laid in a garden a patio here in this part of the country all called the back yard the back bailey.
I love phil. And his legs❤ brilliant episode!!!!!
"Phil, don't get your face quite so close." The weariness in his voice! 😆😆😆
So, the defenders of a fortified place refused a call to surrender, forced the attackers to make a bloody assault, and were then massacred? Pretty standard series of events according to the contemporary rules of war.
Still in use today, as long as there's no Western press with cameras.
Stewart is my hero…..
My family and I we are all watching from all the way down under from Mount Gambier in the State Of Great Wild South Australian.🥇🇦🇺🦘⚜️👑⚜️🏴🇬🇧
Ahhh, out of the match-lock's range.
Hope you Aussies are enjoying it, you have two histories, this is yours as it is ours. Best wishes from the U.K.
Captain Priamus Davies , is an Ancestor on my Mothers side, I also have a number of documents that relate to the Parliamentarians that were in what is called the Marches, they Document that many involved in the Encounters with the Cavaliers from Somerset through Gloucestershire including Gloucester Castle and the Castles and Fortified towns through Herefordshire into Shropshire, were Men of Wales who had been lifted by Cromwell who spoke their Tongue, many did not live to see old age, Priamus Davies himself was imprisoned at Chester I believe.
This shows the Brutality of Prince Rupert, who with many of his Cavalier Generals had pleasure in watching men women and children put to the Sword, whatever the rights or wrongs of Cromwell and many other Intelligent and Honourable Men and Women, the English Civil War had created fear amongst peoples of Religion in England Ireland Scotland and Wales, sadly the problems in Northern Ireland still persist through a Religious divide, so to it has in Scotland, but to a much lesser yet still worrying degree.
Time Team I believe with this dig found a rather personal Human tragedy. Great Work.
About the massacre: Afaik, sieges were a) more common than field battles, and b) extremjely uncomfortable for both sides. Usually, sieges were set for a limited time, as long as the attackers reckoned they could hold on to their effort, which gave the defenders time to wait for relieving efforts by allies. Now this garrison was a hopeless case, and in many other cases, things only got really nasty once the defenders refused to surrender in a hopeless situation. Attackers usually sought revenge for the pointless sacrifices and losses that were caused by stubborn defenders. Massacres and looting, also in mecieval times, were commited usually after storming a position that did not surrender in time. So it makes sense somehow that the defenders were killed wholesale, it actually follows the rules of war of the period.
Fascinating! Thank you for the information! That really does explain a lot. As the time team mentioned the parliamentarians here were just surrounded by royalists. There weren't any parliamentarians who were coming to rescue them.
Now if you're interested in that tabletop thing Helen was working on Warlord games black powder series has the English civil war in the Pike and shot series. It's a reasonably priced tabletop board game that will make you wonder why games workshop thinks their minis are made up gold or platinum ..... Sorry I know this sounds a bit like spam at the end there but it kind of grinds my gears 🤣
They also do the hundred years war war of the roses the Napoleonic era the empire versus the natives if you enjoy that type of gaming. Good series for a reasonable price. Angrily looking at you games workshop 🤣🤣🤣
Short version: When you refused the first offer to surrender?
You got hammered during the sack. Them was the rules. ;)
Some times and places - and, some commanders - throughout history had rules limiting the sack. Others did not. At some times and places, only the women survived - most of them - and they were enslaved.
We gotta get time team on netflix
Please will somebody check out the musket ball shown at 38mins 36 seconds. I'm sure there is a face carved into the musket ball. I could clearly make one out. Please check it to save my sanity. My wife agrees too.
Don't know why he was so pleased with the gold coin find, it's not like he's pocketing it.
So.. we have all made copies of Stewart's keys?
No but John's Lazer etched one down pretty good 😅
Gutentag Berlin indeed!
Once everyone had gone, would the peoples of the area have come and given the dead a proper burial? There are decent people who may have just wanted to do right by the dead.
Why did the commander hold out ? because maybe believed god would save him , orrrrr he was a soldier and held for reinforcements and was following orders to hold the position.
27:45 Stone The Crows" 😂