Yep e goes strait to f and b goes strait to c every thing else has a half step inbetwen, I onley refer to those as sharps cause that's how I learned the notes on any gives timning on the neck but am well aware that every sharp is another notes flat
@@konstantinostablet Dont forget when playing pipe organ if you switch to mean tone from equal tempered E# is a completely different note frequency and slightly flatter than F
Here’s the thing about Blitzgreg Bop, the song doesn’t start on a power chord, it’s an A major barre chord. It’s a common misconception that they only used power chords, but it means the AI is still wrong.
I actually tried a version of this with ChatSTD and got it to try writing Mastodon lyrics which were similarly facepalm-worthy. I then interrogated it, and it basically said that it has no idea what's actually going on and just kind of generates lyrics that seem like they'd fit in the genre, based on what it was trained on years ago. I don't know if it's actually capable of searching the web, just bringing back past experience.
Hey! Wait! Don't touch that skip button yet, this is going to change EVERYTHING. Look, everyone wants to learn guitar, but a very few can actually play. Up until now, it's been way too hard. You can try getting a guitar teacher, but finding someone you connect with is hard. Even if you find someone, you're limited to what one person knows, and in-person lessons are very expensive. You can try TH-cam, but 90% of those videos are usually bad. You spend all your practice time hunting for good videos, but nothing is connected, so you never know where to go next. It's super frustrating. There are lots of new apps and games for learning guitar that seem awesome, but after months of playing and racking up points, you still can't actually play guitar. If you're looking for something that works, you should try Guitar Tricks. At Guitar Tricks, we've broken down topics into easy step-by-step video lessons. Each video offers instructions from multiple angles, with all the guitar tabs and notation right there. Forget boring music theory and repetitive exercises. With our core learning system, beginners start playing songs right away to master the fundamentals. Once you're ready, you can learn different styles like Rock, Blues, Country, Acoustic, and more. Here to learn specific songs? Guitar Tricks has a massive library of songs from all your favorite artists like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Ed Sheeran, Johnny Cash, The Who, and many, many more. And you're never alone! If you get stuck, there's a Guitar Tricks instructor ready to help out whenever you need it. Guitar Tricks is the easy, fast and fun way to learn guitar and it's worked for millions, from young aspiring players to retirees starting a new hobby. So what are you waiting for? Try it out and get up to 4 free gifts as a thank you, just for signing up.
@@pagetos666 Sounds like it tried to combine the intro with the double-time portion that starts just before the "Freedom fighter sent out to the sun" part
'iron man' was actually the opening riff to welcome to the jungle minus the descending notes and palm mutes dunno why but all this is really reminding me of gnr hahahah
Somehow this is like laughing at someone who is just starting to play the guitar but has incredible potential. I'm very eager to see how this video will have aged in a few years.
It's been "a few years" and AI's still not even figured out the difference between nudes and sand dunes, I'm predicting it's not gonna learn to tab better and it might start to try spitting out Clone Hero timing charts instead.
@@neoqwerty Are you aware that the AIs were not trained to create tabs? The approach is a bit childish. Create a database and train a model with rlhf and I assure you it will create better tablature than the average musician.
Still watching the video, however, I wanted to point this out. Every time so far it's giving you tab, there's a major problem with it, it's using a variable width font rather than a fixed width font. So in the example of "Breaking the Law", it's an F power chord the entire time, it just doesn't line up because in a variable width font like it's using, the 3 is larger than the 1, causing those lines to space over further and not line up properly. That being said, it's VERY apparent that neither "Breaking the Law" nor "Sweet Child O' Mine" are correct tabs for those songs.
AI will never truly take over art. Even if it becomes common to make music and other art forms with AI, people will still prefer their art comes from actual people.
@@freedustin That's wrong, because people won't just lose interest in doing art for themselves. People actually enjoy making art. They're not gonna quit just because AI can do it at a faster rate.
@@freedustin I believe if all you do art for is money, you're not a real artist. But I still think it won't be so black and white as that. If anything it'll either balance out between humans and AI or AI will be banned in the commercial art scene all together.
You know that you need to go back to the AI and have it fully write a full song for you to record now. It would be fun to see what nonsense that the AI ends up producing if you just let it generate the tabs and lyrics for all the parts. Maybe you can get it to tailor the lyrics a little bit about how robots are taking over the music or something.
This is the first time I've seen any of your videos and I was already having fun just from the intro alone and your commentary, but when I noticed "No Terfs On Our Turf" I just let out a little scream of joy, this is just what we need, as a transfem musician this brings a tear to my eye, definitely a new sub, keep the great stuff comin my dud~
I just got an a.i. guitar app for my phone it claims it can tab and cord chart and all that but I admit I have not tried it yett but as soon as I right this iam going to give it a test drive the point of this message is thank you four the inspiration to check it out and for well setting the bar of my expectations not being that high for this new experiment
I agree with that, 2 hours of hardly prompt the logic of Campanella scales ( scales with open strings mixed with freted strings) after explaining that is not Paganini Campanella song i wanted. Ask it to generate maj or min patterns in keys, what it does makes no sens and really do not integrate the logic behind.
This was super interesting. I honestly wonder, if the weirdness is due to the weird layout of guitar tab sites. The plain text being made up mostly of numbers and this symbol "-" repeated, oh and lots of spaces for lyrics matching up to the chords that clearly the AI just deletes all together. I mean, on top of your typical AI weirdness.
I think you struck the nail on the head there. So I have been thinking of this lately: As AI becomes more and more popular, the internet will be flooded with AI-created content. This content will be added to all human-created content online, and the pool of available material that the AI draws from, will grow. It will also be ever so slightly diluted with every new addition of non-human content. This process will be very slow at first, but as the ratio of AI-created material to human-created material grows, the quality of the new material will be worse and worse. The amount of shit online will multiply at an exponential rate until everything is just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA And we will miss the good old days of twitter fights, virtue-signaling, farting pandas and annoying youtubers with guitars
i expected the tab that was just a bunch of twos to be na na na na by mcr but honestly after hearing its iron man i completely understand... my brain always mix those two
If a model were specifically trained to transcribe music, with a sufficiently large dataset, and most importantly, an _accurately labeled_ dataset, I could easily see AI models becoming quite good at learning to accurately transcribe music for guitar, or even an array of different instruments. It would be a multi-million dollar idea if someone were to manage to crack this problem. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if some AI researcher, somewhere, is currently working on building something similar to what I just described. Version 1 would probably suck and barely work, but the same was true for Stable Diffusion v1. The level of improvement that's been made with stable diffusion over just a _single_ year is staggering. I never would have believed it could improve so much, in such a short time-span - it's truly mind-blowing. Imagine how game-changing it would be to have easy access to _accurate_ transcriptions for any song you could think of! Mark my words, eventually, someone is going to figure out how to make this work, just like every other hard problem which current AI models aren't capable of solving. This tech is moving along at a breakneck pace. I'm 38, and I've been following AI research since starting high-school, patiently waiting for the field to mature. Right now, the field is finally beginning to mature to a point where people are going to have an extremely hard time accepting just how intelligent and capable these systems are becoming. The future is coming at us like a fright train, better buckle up!
You know what you gotta do now, right? You gotta pick a sweet song and let AI generate the tabs and lyrics and cover that shit. It's the fuuuuuuturrrre.
the chords the AI used to generate for Breaking the Law are in the right key, they're just the wrong chords (and wrong mode). Breaking the Law is in Am, which is all white notes on piano. The chords here would all be the white keys, but like I said, just not the right chord progression. AI is kinda goofy like that.
There has been ways to generate arpeggios and chord progressions with a computer for years. If you trained an AI with actual scales it might do an alright job.
Guitar arguably is part which lots of Virtual Instrument still struggle to replicate . And if there are some exceptions, those VSTj still need some serious skill and knowledge about music theories and how to playing guitar in manual way So if AI use same method as those VSTj ,that will end in same path . Until AI company decide starting from scratch and using other method
Asked BARD to produce bass tabs for a couple songs that I know. Wow! Awful. Entire songs on one string and then the one string that's not used in the actual song. Stuff like that.
I'm still waiting for the copyright lawsuit AI creators will be faced with, since that's 99.99999% of the reference information AI uses to do anything - it hasn't lived so many years learning like a human. It MUST use media in ways that we humans aren't allowed to.
I've spent weeks trying to get it to write chord progressions I can use for original songs, and they're usually not great. Go figure, I can ask it to tab out existing songs and I'd get better progressions and even semifunctional lyrics.
Yeah I tried this too... The AI can tell you how to program a Roland tb-303 bassline synthesizer (wich almost no living human has figured out how to do) But it completely failed to write anything useful. (And usually any random notes will sound great on a 303) Also tried to make it write drum patterns on a drum machine. Nope. I mean, there were the sound of drums, as expected, but there was no rythm.
So apparently E# doesn't exist... he meant F
That, or Andri's just thinking 7 dimentions ahead of y'all. Who knows?
Well if the scale you use for some reason is F# major(or D# minor, etc) then E# exists.Gotta love music theory 😂
@@konstantinostablet and it makes sense because every letter only appears once in every scale so sometimes you end up with E# or Cb
Yep e goes strait to f and b goes strait to c every thing else has a half step inbetwen, I onley refer to those as sharps cause that's how I learned the notes on any gives timning on the neck but am well aware that every sharp is another notes flat
@@konstantinostablet Dont forget when playing pipe organ if you switch to mean tone from equal tempered E# is a completely different note frequency and slightly flatter than F
E# exist
This explains so much. A.I. must have been writing tabs for Ultimate-Guitar for YEARS
>goes to eat pizza: Finds pagefire
>goes to see Sabaton: Finds pagefire
>goes to the toilet: TH-cam warns me of a new video
Can’t escape pagefire
I'm in bathroom
@@dunkhorst777 you and me both
@@TheSheepFarmGaming i just got out of the bathroom lmao
@@dunkhorst777 Bathroom squad (same)
....So AI has already surpassed the average Ultimate Guitar tab! Colour me impressed!
4:58 Ah, yes, the E# power chord, my favourite
Thank you, someone else noticed it too haha
He's thinking in D# minor
Personally I’m more of a fan of B#.
Yeah well if you were playing in F# major you would call the vii chord e#
this just proves that Metallica used chat three letters at the end to write all of 72 Seasons.
album wasn't even that bad 😭
@@justsaiyan_2102 But the solos were💀
@@tastefulsubstance i have to agree with you
@@justsaiyan_2102 the album is like they wanted to go back to the ajfa days but they failed
not gonna disagree with that,they sure as fuck didnt use it for the first 3 albums though
Here’s the thing about Blitzgreg Bop, the song doesn’t start on a power chord, it’s an A major barre chord. It’s a common misconception that they only used power chords, but it means the AI is still wrong.
yea johnny only played barre chords and downstrokes
BLITZGREG??? GREG HEFFLEY IN WW2???
I actually tried a version of this with ChatSTD and got it to try writing Mastodon lyrics which were similarly facepalm-worthy. I then interrogated it, and it basically said that it has no idea what's actually going on and just kind of generates lyrics that seem like they'd fit in the genre, based on what it was trained on years ago. I don't know if it's actually capable of searching the web, just bringing back past experience.
It’s still in its relative infancy. Give it some time.
@@TitaniumTurbine for sure. This is just to explain the results Andri got.
You're laughin now, but AI is still learning how to play and master the guitar
Give it 3 years
No 3 years...faster.... gpt4 is way ahead now.than chatgpt.
The next version could almost make us unnecessary
Still learning this is the point... always gonna learn...
Hey! Wait! Don't touch that skip button yet, this is going to change EVERYTHING. Look, everyone wants to learn guitar, but a very few can actually play. Up until now, it's been way too hard. You can try getting a guitar teacher, but finding someone you connect with is hard. Even if you find someone, you're limited to what one person knows, and in-person lessons are very expensive. You can try TH-cam, but 90% of those videos are usually bad. You spend all your practice time hunting for good videos, but nothing is connected, so you never know where to go next. It's super frustrating. There are lots of new apps and games for learning guitar that seem awesome, but after months of playing and racking up points, you still can't actually play guitar. If you're looking for something that works, you should try Guitar Tricks. At Guitar Tricks, we've broken down topics into easy step-by-step video lessons. Each video offers instructions from multiple angles, with all the guitar tabs and notation right there. Forget boring music theory and repetitive exercises. With our core learning system, beginners start playing songs right away to master the fundamentals. Once you're ready, you can learn different styles like Rock, Blues, Country, Acoustic, and more. Here to learn specific songs? Guitar Tricks has a massive library of songs from all your favorite artists like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Ed Sheeran, Johnny Cash, The Who, and many, many more. And you're never alone! If you get stuck, there's a Guitar Tricks instructor ready to help out whenever you need it. Guitar Tricks is the easy, fast and fun way to learn guitar and it's worked for millions, from young aspiring players to retirees starting a new hobby. So what are you waiting for? Try it out and get up to 4 free gifts as a thank you, just for signing up.
But can it play John the Fisherman?
you're so right. i tried this a couple weeks ago and was sorely disappointed.
We'll travel to lands unfathomable--YAH!
I'm impressed it wrote lyrics without rhyme! I tried to have Chat GPT write lyrics but it kept rhyming like a 10 year old.
the dragonforce riff was almost a good riff... not dragonforce but... who agree ?
It sounds a lot like “Into the void” by Black Sabbath actually. Or at lest I think it does.
@@pagetos666 Sounds like it tried to combine the intro with the double-time portion that starts just before the "Freedom fighter sent out to the sun" part
Add an odd time signature and it's Tool
This was hilarious :D more stuff like this plz!
'iron man' was actually the opening riff to welcome to the jungle minus the descending notes and palm mutes
dunno why but all this is really reminding me of gnr hahahah
3:25 Instead you got Paranoid.
Somehow this is like laughing at someone who is just starting to play the guitar but has incredible potential.
I'm very eager to see how this video will have aged in a few years.
It's been "a few years" and AI's still not even figured out the difference between nudes and sand dunes, I'm predicting it's not gonna learn to tab better and it might start to try spitting out Clone Hero timing charts instead.
@overdreaddy My thoughts exactly. "First they ignore it. Then they laugh at it. Then they fight it." (My excuses to Mahamta Ghandi)
@@neoqwerty Are you aware that the AIs were not trained to create tabs? The approach is a bit childish. Create a database and train a model with rlhf and I assure you it will create better tablature than the average musician.
Ah, those Ramones lyrics are so fucking funny!
Still watching the video, however, I wanted to point this out. Every time so far it's giving you tab, there's a major problem with it, it's using a variable width font rather than a fixed width font. So in the example of "Breaking the Law", it's an F power chord the entire time, it just doesn't line up because in a variable width font like it's using, the 3 is larger than the 1, causing those lines to space over further and not line up properly.
That being said, it's VERY apparent that neither "Breaking the Law" nor "Sweet Child O' Mine" are correct tabs for those songs.
12:00 the solo from I Wanna Be Sedated (Ramones)
Ah yes, Weezer, my favorite folk punk band.
Seriously those are folk punk chords for the island in the sun ai part.
AI will never truly take over art. Even if it becomes common to make music and other art forms with AI, people will still prefer their art comes from actual people.
It will because industry will grow to prefer it and it will become our main source.
Yeah the small art shows will still exist...dyingly.
@@freedustin That's wrong, because people won't just lose interest in doing art for themselves. People actually enjoy making art. They're not gonna quit just because AI can do it at a faster rate.
correct, we just won't be able to make any money so its back to rare hobby status for art.
@@freedustin I believe if all you do art for is money, you're not a real artist. But I still think it won't be so black and white as that. If anything it'll either balance out between humans and AI or AI will be banned in the commercial art scene all together.
@@Nuit.mp3 It doesn't matter what you believe, artists still need food.
According to the AI, Breaking The Law has the same chord progression as the verses to I Feel Free by Cream lol
just discovering your channel but i can tell i'll enjoy more content from you, ur awesome
You know that you need to go back to the AI and have it fully write a full song for you to record now. It would be fun to see what nonsense that the AI ends up producing if you just let it generate the tabs and lyrics for all the parts. Maybe you can get it to tailor the lyrics a little bit about how robots are taking over the music or something.
This is the first time I've seen any of your videos and I was already having fun just from the intro alone and your commentary, but when I noticed "No Terfs On Our Turf" I just let out a little scream of joy, this is just what we need, as a transfem musician this brings a tear to my eye, definitely a new sub, keep the great stuff comin my dud~
first video I'm watching from this channel (I haven't finished yet) and I'm already going to subscribe simply for the trans patch 🥰
Comfortably Numb from the Pulse tour has one of the greatest guitar solos of all time. You should definitely check it out.
us lowly humans that suck at guitar are still doomed
that weezer song may be knockin on heavens door as well
Unrelated but your jacket having Bodom, Avantasia and Edguy on it? Unimaginably based
I LOVE YOUR NO TERFS PATCH !!!!!!!!
I love you and your videos so much. I'd move to Norway if it meant i got to hang out with you
I wonder if the AI was playing these songs on an untuned guitar too.....
That AI didn't just generate the iron man riff, if generated the entire song
@Pagefire What audio guitar program are you using? The sound quality is amazing.
step 2: let it write an original song, and record it
Apparently they can
I just love that it said the solo gets played on the "C" string - there is no C string on a guitar in standard tuning...!
Instead of writing Sabbath's "Iron Man", it wrote "Egg raid on mojo" by the Beasty boys.
I just got an a.i. guitar app for my phone it claims it can tab and cord chart and all that but I admit I have not tried it yett but as soon as I right this iam going to give it a test drive the point of this message is thank you four the inspiration to check it out and for well setting the bar of my expectations not being that high for this new experiment
great to see you after so long
I agree with that, 2 hours of hardly prompt the logic of Campanella scales ( scales with open strings mixed with freted strings) after explaining that is not Paganini Campanella song i wanted.
Ask it to generate maj or min patterns in keys, what it does makes no sens and really do not integrate the logic behind.
What’s that poster from of the little baby Cthulhu? That’s well sweet! Great vid! Subbed!
Damn. My Friend is right. You look like my momentary me with a beard 😅
The most accurate random tabs you will find on Ultimate Guitar
ChatGPT is not an AI. It‘s a language model. It wasn‘t trained to write tabs or compose music, so of course the results are bad.
That only depends on the dataset and model it's learning from.
Just remember that you"re making it learn.
This was super interesting. I honestly wonder, if the weirdness is due to the weird layout of guitar tab sites. The plain text being made up mostly of numbers and this symbol "-" repeated, oh and lots of spaces for lyrics matching up to the chords that clearly the AI just deletes all together.
I mean, on top of your typical AI weirdness.
Main riff from shedding skin by pantera is the tab on the cover of this video :v
Wait wait wait.
The thing he generated for Dragonforce TFaF? That's the main theme for the Max Payne games.
So the AI confused Judas priest with a generic Iron Maiden song. Kinda cool actually.
Do love an E sharp power chord 5:00
I must compliment you on the COB patch \m/
You know Sharpies advertising has hit it's peak when any permanent marker is referred to as a Sharpie.
Since there are more shitty tabs than good tabs available for the AI to use as reference, I'm not very surprised.
I think you struck the nail on the head there.
So I have been thinking of this lately:
As AI becomes more and more popular, the internet will be flooded with AI-created content. This content will be added to all human-created content online, and the pool of available material that the AI draws from, will grow.
It will also be ever so slightly diluted with every new addition of non-human content.
This process will be very slow at first, but as the ratio of AI-created material to human-created material grows, the quality of the new material will be worse and worse. The amount of shit online will multiply at an exponential rate until everything is just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
And we will miss the good old days of twitter fights, virtue-signaling, farting pandas and annoying youtubers with guitars
i expected the tab that was just a bunch of twos to be na na na na by mcr but honestly after hearing its iron man i completely understand... my brain always mix those two
The beginning is the part that’s not the beginning riff, Yk when the bass comes in, it’s that part I think 😭😭 I’m just tryna protect the AI 😭😭
Tried to generate baselines, only used frets 3 and 5
If a model were specifically trained to transcribe music, with a sufficiently large dataset, and most importantly, an _accurately labeled_ dataset, I could easily see AI models becoming quite good at learning to accurately transcribe music for guitar, or even an array of different instruments.
It would be a multi-million dollar idea if someone were to manage to crack this problem. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if some AI researcher, somewhere, is currently working on building something similar to what I just described. Version 1 would probably suck and barely work, but the same was true for Stable Diffusion v1. The level of improvement that's been made with stable diffusion over just a _single_ year is staggering. I never would have believed it could improve so much, in such a short time-span - it's truly mind-blowing.
Imagine how game-changing it would be to have easy access to _accurate_ transcriptions for any song you could think of! Mark my words, eventually, someone is going to figure out how to make this work, just like every other hard problem which current AI models aren't capable of solving. This tech is moving along at a breakneck pace.
I'm 38, and I've been following AI research since starting high-school, patiently waiting for the field to mature. Right now, the field is finally beginning to mature to a point where people are going to have an extremely hard time accepting just how intelligent and capable these systems are becoming.
The future is coming at us like a fright train, better buckle up!
It turned the ramones into green day
To give it credit, for comfortably numb it did get one lyric right. 'Comfortably numb'
Although for the rest... Hello? Is there anybody in there?
Damn, for a moment I thought Kieran from Cinemassacre had become a guitarist.
The Nekonomicon "lyrics" sound more like Midnight
9:41 "C string" lmfao
You know what you gotta do now, right? You gotta pick a sweet song and let AI generate the tabs and lyrics and cover that shit. It's the fuuuuuuturrrre.
12:01 is upgrade by puscifer
i like how he says "ma discord"
YAAAAY A NEW PAGEFIRE VIDEO!
This video gonna age like milk
love the "no terf" bottom :)
hey when you turned the gain down, what is that amp sim you're using for that acousticy sound? it's rad. total gnr haha
weezer bit
the chords the AI used to generate for Breaking the Law are in the right key, they're just the wrong chords (and wrong mode). Breaking the Law is in Am, which is all white notes on piano. The chords here would all be the white keys, but like I said, just not the right chord progression. AI is kinda goofy like that.
There has been ways to generate arpeggios and chord progressions with a computer for years. If you trained an AI with actual scales it might do an alright job.
Dude, I have that same guitar! I just got it set up too. Does your's have a super thick neck?
Guitar arguably is part which lots of Virtual Instrument still struggle to replicate . And if there are some exceptions, those VSTj still need some serious skill and knowledge about music theories and how to playing guitar in manual way
So if AI use same method as those VSTj ,that will end in same path . Until AI company decide starting from scratch and using other method
Andre: “E# power chord” … Me: “…F?”
2:55 It tabbed out weezer buddy holly lol
Can A.I. tune the D string, please? 😂
Talk all the mess you want but "Travel To Lands Unfathomable" goes HARD.
What if Andri isn't real. Imagine AI created his persona so that we would underestimate AI.
Wait, let me like the video before watching !
Wow are you saying a brand new technology isn't perfect yet? Phew I was worried that AI was gonna take over for a second
Change the model over to GPT-4. At least on guns and roses, it looked a bit closer.
15:05 watered down Battery
The Dragonforce one sounds closer to Into The Void by Sabbath.
Subscription earned from the Intro alone!
Keep it up man!
11:39 Celtic Frost indeed
I'm a little disappointed you didn't ask the AI had to do Never Gonna Give You Up.
Asked BARD to produce bass tabs for a couple songs that I know. Wow! Awful. Entire songs on one string and then the one string that's not used in the actual song.
Stuff like that.
whe he said E# my head got screwed for a second
please do a video on how to make Pop-Punk 😄
I'm still waiting for the copyright lawsuit AI creators will be faced with, since that's 99.99999% of the reference information AI uses to do anything - it hasn't lived so many years learning like a human. It MUST use media in ways that we humans aren't allowed to.
I've spent weeks trying to get it to write chord progressions I can use for original songs, and they're usually not great. Go figure, I can ask it to tab out existing songs and I'd get better progressions and even semifunctional lyrics.
How's the weather in Norway right now? Still freezing your balls off? Just fucking around 🤘
It would be hilarious if generated everything correctly for Dismantled.
Very interesting!
Yeah I tried this too...
The AI can tell you how to program a Roland tb-303 bassline synthesizer (wich almost no living human has figured out how to do)
But it completely failed to write anything useful. (And usually any random notes will sound great on a 303)
Also tried to make it write drum patterns on a drum machine.
Nope.
I mean, there were the sound of drums, as expected, but there was no rythm.
I only understand the English language when I watch your videos
It also sucks at music theory (haven't watched the video yet, so I dunno if you talk about that).
A.I. version of Enter Sandman sounds like Nirvana to me.