Miniature Fully Functional Taiwanese Preproduction Sten Gun
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In the mid 1950s, the Nationalist government on Taiwan was in serious need of small arms, and decided to set up production of the Sten gun. They had the facilities of the 44th Arsenal outside Taipei, which had been relocated there from the mainland in 1948. For some assistance, the government hired a US Army officer as a consultant, and as part of the production setup, they built half a dozen miniature but fully-functional Stens in .32ACP. One of these came home with the US officer, and was registered in the 1968 Amnesty.
The magazine well has the proper symbol of the 44th Arsenal, and they gun has two specific irregularities compared to a standard British Sten. The fire control housing is triangular instead of rounded, and it has no semiauto selector switch. These features carried through to the fully production guns, as one can see on an example in the British Royal Armouries today:
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Who else wanted to hear Ian say "Tune in tomorrow to see this gun on the range" at the end of this video.
I did.
Hell yes!
Oh man, I'd love to see Ian using that thing in a backup gun match.
I expect more people than didn't want to hear it.
Me on pretty much every video. Especially the HK flash bang dispenser
"Guys Literally Only Want One Thing And It's Fucking Disgusting"
Tiny Tiny Sten Guns
Yus. Well, Teeny Tiny Functional Guns in General. O.o
And tiny, tiny Bren guns?
A girlfriend named Bren?
A SEXY GIRL WHO HAS A COUPLE MINI STENS ?
@@darrellshoub7527 the pretty ones usually want you to spend time with them, and they say things like "babe, you've been playing with the stens for hours. Come to bed" and "all you ever do is dual wield tiny stens."
If there ever was a gun I would like to see Ian full-autoing in range, it's this :D
That would be beyond awesome if Ian could do with this
Imagine the look on peoples faces turning up to the range with this thing lol
The cyclic rate of miniature full autos is usually very high. I have heard a .22LR mini-Suomi shooting, a high pitched scream. With a mag of maybe ten rounds... BEEP! Damn, it's empty already!
Me too I'm British I'm not even allowed to touch one let alone fire one
As side arm at match
"Who's a good little sten gun? _You're_ a good little sten gun..." Ian, probably.
Thanks man. Needed a good belly laugh and your comment provided a lengthy one!
Plot twist, the sten is full sized. Ian has just grown to fit his popularity.
Boom
the gun is just asian standard size
How long do you think he can keep up a series of "miniature guns" until people figure it out.
Double plot twist. It is an Action Man gun and Ian is tiny small...
Gun Jesus filling the space of his reputation.
Ian. The British small arms school at Warminster have a half scale Sterling smg which is chambered for .22 LR, which was made as an engineering project. Please try to do a video on that one.
I have also seen a Stg44 and Ak47 in 22lr as Apprentice projects a few years ago at the UK CLA game fair. They were about 3/4 scale and looked fantastic. I think they were BSA also but can't remember for sure.
Heh. Small arms.
we should all be making these types of projects.
We need more miniature SMGS
I was also thinking that if it had come out of a British factory, you'd have said probably an apprentice project, but would that apply to Taiwan in 1954? You can see how it might in less troubled times.
Toys in the 50s were badass.
you will poke your eye out lol
lil jonny gets a mini sub gun in his stocking!
Radioactive paint and asbestos filler? Why not?!
Now I seriously want to raid my parents old toy Box from the fifties!!! 🤠👍
They just don't make toys like they used to, do they?
Don't let Ian fool you, shooting the HK51 actually made him double in size
Ian looks larger in real life.... .
We hope you like Ian’s new direction in regard to “Small arms”.
He’s actually 8 feet tall
@@JordanFlayer 🎵🎶🎵Ho,ho,ho......... gun Jesus🎶🎵🎶
@@davidbrennan660 Look at it as a full auto pistol shaped as a sten.
small arms, taken literally
I guess someone had to say that - get out!
2:52 The location Ian talking about is now the Xinyi District.The tallest building in Taiwan,Taipei 101, is there.Back then there were warehouse facilities left by the Imperial Japanese Army. the 44th arsenal moved in and reopened their business. In 1980s the arsenal merged with the other unit and moved to New Taipei City.
Just been there last month, pretty interesting contrast to the fancy and modern buildings in Xinyi district. Now I really want to find one of the veterans there and ask about this tiny Sten!
Just what a hobbit needs to defend his hole in the ground.
Little person, bigot!
@@oliverattwell8013 troll alert
@@gunnermurphy6632 😁
@@gunnermurphy6632 Now I want to see hobbits fighting mountain trolls with mini-stens.
The Smurf has enough of gargamel's shenanigans
Gotta respect the man who immediately knows when a small, obscure, 1-of-6, unicorn of a gun is improperly assembled… and points it out with grace.
Well, Ian most likely was the one who dis-assymbeled it before the video and accidently did that, since he knew before hand the firing mechanism was exactly the same inside of it.
@@zoiders Maybe you don't like people being praised for not being douchey because it differentiates them from you in ways that make you uncomfortable?
It really is a Sten sized for a 10 year-old.
Like those old suits of armour made for a young prince.
I have seen a collection of arms made for tsarevich Alexander, son of Nikolai II of Russia. A miniature Mosin m/91 with bayonet, dress and Army model swords about 1/2 scale and some Guards uniform items. Cute, but expensive!
@@ristoalanko9281 do you recall if it could fire, and if yes, what caliber?
I imagine 7.62×38mmR would be a fitting caliber, can just use a Mosin barrel too (turned down to pistol thickness).
@@RaDeus87 I think the ammo was 25-20, it's like miniature 7.62x54R.
@@ristoalanko9281 Great idea- let's give the hemophiliac prince some sharp weapons!
@@RaDeus87 3.81x27mmR
Normally I'm only mildly interested in seeing the firing sections but the idea of Ian's nose getting pelted with tiny brass while trying to fire this left handed does warm my heart a little. ;-)
Now I desperately want to see him fire a miniature MG-42. Just getting hosed down with thimbles.
You're both a bit mean, but funny as hell!
Will the baby STEN one day grow up to be a Sterling?
If it eats it's steel-cased ammunition it may grow up big & strong into a sterling.
How do you think the British made so many STEN guns . We locked a few up over night and they had babies .
The trick is to cross breed, as hybrids tend to be larger more capable beasts in comparison to their parents.
@@Bagginsess also to weed out any throw backs . Got to watch out for them reversions
@@edmundscycles1 aye brother!
Ian references the Royal Armories. I look over at my feed and there is a vid from the Royal Armories titled "What's unique about this Taiwanese Sten?" that was posted 19 hours ago. sm
He and Jonathan worked before so that clearly was timed on purpose.
I saw that before I watched this one, I thought that Ian was just going to go over it in more detail
That was the plan, yes.
@@jonathanferguson1211 And a great plan it has been. Thank you (both of you.) sm
@@mattwoodard2535 Ian's great suggestion. We hope to welcome him back in the new year for more filming.
Take that to a backup gun match.
As it is basically a SMG it probably will not count as a backup gun :P
@@kleinerprinz99 PCC Championships then? =)
@@kleinerprinz99 He's used old guns before that are not backup guns simply because the stages are generally set up where they can be done with a single magazine and for old guns he often only has a single magazine. So just because he doesn't actually qualify doesn't mean he won't run the stages with a weapon. Besides, without the stock i think this thing would actually fit the size requirements of most BUG match rules. The only real difference is being full auto which honestly is more of a detriment in most of these stages.
Great video Ian
@@kleinerprinz99 Ian has his "I do what I want" card though.
Seeing this the only word that springs to mind is - “Magdump”
With only 8 shots that would be over pretty quick.
@@alfredvonschlieffen6813 'I'm sorry, I usually last longer. No, I swear it was a 32 round mag when I measured it!'
I would love to see a firing demonstration of the mini alongside the full size one
Both at the same time by the same person
Shoot it.
I have two of them and mine do shoot.
@@lmk19848 im glad i saw your comment. thats a new rabbit hole to go down!
Yeah but are they .32 cal?
These were of course manufactured for supply to the Hobbit freedom fighters resisting Saruman's occupation of the Shire.
Yes. And the sights glow when Orcs are near.
I can imagine something like this being as a "Please accept this gift as proof of what we can do here at our factory and keep us in mind for your future needs" kind of promotional thing .
Still a cool little gun I would love to see on the range :-)
I'm thinking .22 or .17 cal? And can somebody convert these to metric?
@@kevinohalloran7164 5.6×15mmR and 4.5 mm HMR
"Bet you can't make the STEN smaller!"
"OH yeah!, hold my Huangjiu!"
Would be better than a pen with the company's name on it, for sure.
Karen, "but what about the CHILDREN??"
Me, "oh, it's ok. The kids can have guns, too."
just imagine a battalion of Taiwanese toddlers fighting back a communist invasion with these.
Adorable
@@justindunlap1235 there actually was an incident where the military of Taiwan forcibly conscripted some school children and killed those that resisted. when the teachers complained, the students were tortured into falsely accusing them of being communist spies.
When your conscription law is scraping the barrel.
@@iMoD190 source?
This shows why you should never use anything harsher than a wool wash on your firearms.
I believe I can speak for all of us... we *need* to see this at the range.
"Set up its own independent state there" - CCP just blacklisted you.
...Their loss.
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i notice he said chinese.... i guess i dont blame him... much
@@patrickbyrne5070 I mean Taiwan is officially the Republic of China (not to be confused with the "People's" Republic of China) so it's not wrong per se. Also clearly the RoC is the only real China in our hearts ;)
@@ng.tr.s.p.1254 RoC🇹🇼🇹🇼
This takes the term "small arms" to a whole new level.
That was my first thought as well. Perhaps some decision-maker over there was an Aspie and interpreted the English term literally...
I was 4 in 1954. This little beauty would have fitted my Xmas stocking perfectly. Plus a box of.32.
I was 3 but what the hell. Dad did give me a toy machine gun when I was 7 or 8, it was shaped like a tin tommy gun, when you pulled the trigger it spun a gear that hit a flint and shot sparks out the front, there was a sort of red gel in the front that made it light from the sparks. I loved that little toy, perhaps that was why I loved guns so much when I got a bit older. Alas in my old age my once large collection of fine firearms has dwindled down to a very loved few and I am no longer able to take them to the range. I am at the point in my life where I am about to execute my will and designate which pistol goes to which grand-son and great-grand son. I think the great-grandson will get my Taurus .22LR revolver, the old model that looks exactly like the S&W .22/32 kit gun. Dad had one of those for walking his trap line in the winter down on Timber Creek where he trapped for the fur, you could get good money for mink and ermine back in the day, it kept food on the table and that little .22 was easy to carry in a holster he made himself out of leather left over from the horse and buggy days of his early life on the farm. Wish I had kept that holster but back then it was just a scrap of the old days and we left it on the farm when we moved to town. Now a wheat field exists where the old house used to stand. Sad really.
the charging handle looks like an oversized winding crown of a pocket watch. This is really cute
me: How cute. You can shoot crickets with it.
Ian: It's .32 acp.
me: oh.
@@TheRealColBosch Yup! I can't tell you how many times I've been to a gunshop and someone dismisses a .32 for not having "enough" stopping power. My response is usually "Would you want to get shot with it?". The answer is always "No!".
BIG crickets.
3:18
And just like that Ian was banned from china.
John Xina :
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The size of that Sten reminds me of the vintage salesman sample Coca-Cola coolers that reps would bring to general stores in the early 20th century.
What is this? A STEN gun for ants?
Ah, beat me to it.
More like for cats and rats
Nice blue steel
Hi, great video. When I was a kid, about half a century ago, my grandfather, an engineer, told me that making a scale model of a machine was the best way to get the tolerances right. You scaled it down, made it work, then when you scaled it up again, the tolerances would definitely work. This got round the problem you so often talk about, where the prototype has been finely fettled until it works, but that can't be duplicated in mass production.
Holy shit that's tiny.
Oh, it'd .32acp? Thought it'd have been .22LR
That's what she said.
Yeah, surprised me too. But from what I can tell, .32ACP is not THAT much more powerful than .22LR, depending on the load of course.
I imagine .32acp was chosen for feeding better than .22LR. Don't think .22LR would work well being in a straight mag like that fired full auto, also would require a redesigned bolt as it's rimfire.
Probably easier to get a rimless .32acp to function over the rimmed .22LR.
My first guess was .25 ACP
Man I hope the brass here in Taiwan see this and decide to invite you to see their various collections. Army Acadeny, Infantry School, National Defense University's School of Technology, and 205th Arsenal, I'm pretty sure it would be a heck of a visit!
I hope so too! And getting a bit more "Yes, Taiwan is a separate state" content on youtube wouldn't hurt either. Would absolutely love a tour of the 205th Arsenal. Ian has showed us speciality production of firearms for people with deep pockets. It would be nice to see a "Everything is about practicality, manufacturability, reliability and predictability" facility like a real defence arsenal.
@@andersjjensen I wonder how quickly you tube would strike Ian, if he said something like Taiwan being a sovereign state. If not then Ian could forget ever going to china..
@@kittehgo He did, gingerly, say "Where the nationalist party set up their own state" :P
@@andersjjensen
Which is also a disinformation. As Japan surrendered and thus ended their annexation of Taiwan.
Ah crap, here we go again with the endless argument of Taiwan. I'll just leave some facts here:
> Republic of (NOT COMMUNIST) China won WW2 with the Allied Powers.
> Taiwan was transferred to ROC on October 25 1945, and had elected representative in National Assembly in 1947.
> Communist won the civil war, establishing PRC on October 1 1949, while the Nationalist ROC government retreated to Taiwan.
> The so-called Martial Law period, which limited elections, gathering, forming political parties, publications and such, was lifted in 1987. That was actually more like state of emergency because the communists were taking over the mainland, and they’re still trying to eliminate the remaining ROC government and control Taiwan.
> I’m still paying taxes to the government called Republic of China.
So the only territory controlled by Republic of China are islands including Taiwan , Penghu, Kinmen, Matsu, and several really small outlaying islands. And there is currently no government body officially called Taiwan. People may change the government’s name with referendum, or revising the Constitution of Republic of China. However, neither has happened yet.
That is legitimately one of the coolest things I've seen...
PLEASE tell me you're going to be able to live fire that for us!
oh man i really hope so id love to see it in action
I can't imagine that. It's the only one existing in the US.
It's Ian though. He has the special sauce ;)
I still wonder if Morphy’s or other auction houses raise the starting price of their guns and add the tag “has been fired by Ian McCollum.” 😋
Ian recognizing Taiwan as an independent state, hells yea
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John Xina enters chat…
The only people who don't are the CCP because they are the only ones who want to own it and actually pretend they do.
@@desertfoxyloxy Where's John Xina? I can't see him, he doesn't have a spine
"Say hello to my little friend!"
*whips this thing out from concealed carry holster*
"Lt. Zhen, when I said we need small arms ASAP, this isnt what I meant..."
"But iz small! An iz gun. An iz hear naow!"
Lol
Note that Taiwan is a country and has lots of differences with China and the Nationalist government did some atrocities (228 white terror, my family were victims) on the people in Taiwan, but now Taiwan is a democracy (2 parties instead of one) and please visit Taiwan! From Taiwan.
Can't visit Taiwan due to the CCP flu at the moment & flight restrictions.
I do have a Taiwanese laptop though.
David Davidson Move here! No covid to worry about in Taiwan!
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Wow, So Ian, when are you going to take it to the range an run it through it's paces. I enjoyed watching you fire the recent full auto flash-bang tool 🔧.
It would be fascinating and amusing to see you fire it at the range. Has anyone fired this one?
Keep up the fabulous content.
"Say Hello to my little friend!"
This thing is adorable, I would love one if it didn't require selling your soul to the government to "legally" own.
Its a $200 tax stamp?
@@Spacecadet3890 NFA death list too. Its just like for way under $1k a year I can "legally" make hundreds (really unlimited) machineguns, suppressors, sawed off shotguns, pretty much you name it. However when you do that, you no longer are allowed to live in some states with what you own, you are not allowed to do a lot with them that you otherwise could. A $200 tax is one infringement, but its not the main thing, and making one small mistake while traveling (lets say a road closed so they force you to detour next to a state line, yeah you can now go to prison for that).
"Hell yes we're coming for your AR-15, your AK-47s!", you think they won't come after your M16, your PKM or RPD? By signing that list you admit you have no right to own it, and they know exactly who's door to kick down just like Germany did with their national registration, or recently Canada when they are making all legal and licensed gun owners turn in their neutered 5 round rifles.
@@KingJohnMichael Ask Canada how its working out that the licensed gun owners registered there already neutered 5 round rifles... Ask Australia how its working out (even the water based orbies toys are restricted). Seems crazy right, but near me (still in the US), its illegal to own airsoft toys. How far do you think they will go? I already see it, it already effects me (and no you can't own airsoft there even if you have a spotless background).
I know you're probably like another person that said "well airsoft can cause harm", and when I said Nerf was also illegal to shoot near me they also said "well that can cause harm too", so then I pointed out the water guns like super soaker that I played with as a child are also illegal to own, even if they are locked away in a safe, THEN they realized it wasn't about safety. I will gladly link you the statutes where airsoft is illegal to own near me, I will also gladly link county ordinances where using a slingshot or playing with Nerf in your own home or backyard is "discharging firearms within city limits", or how only police are allowed to carry slingshots or paintball guns (and I can't think of a single legitimate use for a pig to be carrying a slingshot, yet I can for children because I had loads of harmless fun with a slingshot shooting cans in a farm). Its not about safety, its about control. Also I'm libertarian you judgmental assuming person.
-1000 social credit score Ian! You said Taiwan was an independent state at 3:20 everyone knows it’s just a breakaway province of the PRC!
that is SUPER cool
I love when Ian finds a gun and it's been improperly assembled and he just knows it's been improperly assembled because he's disassembled enough of them to know what the procedure is.
yes, we equip our kids with these guns in Taiwan.
kids in Taichung born with machine guns in their hands
@@stevent9691 True
好像是民国时期花机关阎锡山兵公厂生产。
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"Proper replica"
"What for? Action Man? It's too small, man."
"Not too small, bruva. Big hands."
That's rubber dinghy rapids, bruvva
Hello fellow person of culture
What a small world!
I'd love to see more videos on Taiwanese guns, like their T91 service rifle
Is it possible to see T65 or T91 on forgotten weapons?
Another daily reminder that Taiwan is a free and independent nation! 🇹🇼❤️🇹🇼
Someone got really salty over at Jonathan's channel, I hope they're here too.
"they needed to manufacture small arms"
Did they now?
seeing Ian's childlike joy is so funny because it's exactly how I would react if it was me hahaha
At 4:46 he sounds like a kid getting a new baseball glove on Christmas Day.
Meanwhile the CCP can't even make a unique half decent full-size firearm lmao, long live Taiwan!
Wow, this documentation of historical artifacts is why you ROCK! Just knowing this exists makes my day a little brighter. God Bless the Officer that saved this from the trash bin of history. Another stellar episode!
Oh no, Ian said Taiwan! Get ready for the hordes of Chinese ultranationalist trolls!
Very cool, maker’s models are fascinating. The idea for building such a firearm makes more sense when you are dealing with society’s that have lost a large amount of technical knowledge.
Yeah, when you're trying to stand up an army and an native arms production at the same time sometimes you just gotta make it and say "copy this." Otherwise you end up with one of those Chinese mauser simulacrums where the doesn't-flip-up sight blocks the actual sightline.
*British Sten Gun* "What are you?"
*Taiwan Sten Gun* "I am you, but smol."
Wow , that is cute, why aren't all guns make miniature like that , in .22 LR. imagine an M45, damn...
If you ask me, one of Chiang Kai-Shek grandchildren wanted a Sten for his birthday, so... here it is.
1954 isn't the date. They really made 2,000 of these guns
Conspiracy theory: Ian grew in size and now screwing with us
They fr need to legalize manufacture of machine guns. I don’t care if it’s just for smaller calibers such as this, it looks fun as hell and I want one.
How are you going to explain Jonathan, you shrank his gun?
This would go well with that miniature Maxim.😀
*Most of the commenters cooing around the Sten, like doting aunts. Which is completely OK*
I thought this would be a boring Chinese Sten replica and was about to close the video until I glanced one more time and saw Ian holding this fucking thing with two fingers.
Thanks Ian you've been entertaining us for a while now, really enjoy your fogotton weapons videos, thank you so much. Dave from UK
P.S. that's a cool minature of a sten.
I cyk - Forrgoten Weapons is blocked on continental China. :)
This must be a part of the grow-a-Sten kit I've heard so much about! Just add oil!
A perfect weapon for the Infant-ry.
I'll see myself out.
Talking about Taiwan -999999 social credit
Have you and Jonathan Ferguson from RFM channel timed up videos on purpose? Great:D
We have :) An excellent idea of Ian's.
Miniature Stemple SMG is my dream gun.
It is taking everything in my soul not to make this in stainless steel in .25 acp with a double stacked 25 round capacity magazine.
Yeh... that last part about post-1949 Taiwanese small-arm productions, pretty much 87% of our small arms is a pirated version of some other western gun. Case in point: Type-57, Type-65, Type-91.
The most clear difference I noticed between this one, and the one at the Royal Armouries was the care and precision with which it was made. The welds were perfect, or near enough actually. This was made in leisure, not rushed to produce under fire and time constraints of active war.
Please, please tell me the seller allowed you to shoot it!
I can not express how badly I want that.
"With this and my Tippmann M2 i will rule the world"
Some war-lusty housecat, probably in the US
The rest of the world : That is made in Taiwan, Republic of China
China : that is made in Taiwan, province of People's Republic of China
4:44 Ian getting Shaggy voice for a moment for how cool and cute this thing is is heart warmingly adorable
I feel like he was _this close_ to saying "Like, zoinks, Scoob!".
PLEASE TELL US THAT YOU’RE GOING TO THE RANGE WITH THAT THING?!?!
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I know the Chinese are reputed to be smaller than Europeans, but I never guessed it was that much......
So sad to see it shrunk since the royal armourys vid
Jonathan boil washed it 😥
@@Govanmauler My bad.
Taiwanese Defence Official: We need to manufacture Small arms
Very Literal Gunsmith: Say no more
Damn, that's a cute little weapon!
*Chinese 我愛中國臺灣不是一個國家， 在天安門廣場什麼都沒發生
That is so adorable! I dunno if I want to take it out to the range or cuddle it!
I know the gentleman who registered this back in 1968, old school collector
Ian is wonerful to watch, his voice raises an octive when he talks about a gun feature he thinks is cool.
Taiwan: we need to produce "small arms" against China....literally. 😂
Теперь требуем стрельбу из этого экземпляра))
The last word is example, TH-cam translated messed up
Ian" Tiwan set up its own independent state"
John Cena "-9,000,000 social credit"
This is the shit I tune in for. Delightful.
That is the only machine-gun I would ever consider trying to sneak into prison...😉
And now the weapon has been smuggled out of Morphy's
WE need a shoot-off between Baby-Sten and a full auto pistol like a Stechkin or a VP70, just for fun... See which is better.
of all the crazy and interesting firearms out there like the hellregal, colt M16A1 (Mk4 Mod 0 varent), ultimac 100 and so on... why do i want this 1/3ed scale "clone" more then any other firearm??!!
I mean its an interesting peace and all but its still just a Sten in .32 ACP
but daaamn i realy want one!
Avoid calling Taiwan stuff "Chinese"
They are not China and especially these days the distinction needs to be made everywhere
Taiwan claims to be the legitimate government of all China, so calling them Chinese isn't wrong.
Taiwan is the true china
CCP can go to hell
This is a classic example of why I argue that gun control laws are a waste of time. Look how simple that gun is. Anyone with a garage or basement, a Horrible Freight lathe/mill and basic highschool machine shop skills could make dozens of these
And yet they don't do that everywhere that does have gun laws, so clearly the laws serve a function that is different from whatever your argument presupposes.
I could argue the exact opposite: that anyone with the skills could knock hundreds of these out in a crisis totally undermines the rationale for a perpetually armed populace, since in the event they are actually NEEDED for something other than hobbyist playthings then they can be churned out en masse.
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