Tom Brady, Belichick, & Robert Kraft's fractured relationship - Skip & Shannon | NFL | UNDISPUTED
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- A new book on the New England Patriots has gone into great detail about the fractured relationship between Robert Kraft, Tom Brady, and Bill Belichick. Kraft reportedly disparaged his coach and even called him an 'idiot savant', while Brady apparently thought Belichick’s methods were quote 'antiquated, even silly.' Hear Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe's biggest takeaway's from the tell-all book.
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Doug pederson > belichick
You can really feel Skip and Shannon’s bond over disliking but respecting coach Belichick
Stevan and skip > skip and Shannon
Brady goes back to New England.
Cutting a player a day before the Super Bowl is a whole other level of cold blooded
And with your family in town
@@dannielcruz460 what really happened. Like why did he drop him before the SB?
@@Baconlover5280 I just looked it up. It seems like Bill just let him go. The messed up part is that they re-signed him a couple of days AFTER the Super Bowl
@@LaTrey_95 That’s hilarious. Did they win?
@@devontricmoore No. Eli Manning & the Giants beat the Patriots the 2nd time around
this duo Shannon and Skip is just world class. Love it
Say Mane 💯🎯
Good debate here👍🏾
@@jariouscollins3636 honestly it's not even a debate, they're just analyzing this and having a discussion. It's awesome, better than anything you'd get at ESPN. Love it.
@@jacobshepherd2319 lndeed, they wanna be all about Screamin A. Smith, lol.🤣🤣
Sometimes
This is when the show is at its best. When Skip and Shannon can just talk, and it’s not some contrived debate where they each have to pick a side
No the arguments are when the show is at it's best. Some of the funniest debates.
@@ferntin4479 to each their own 🤷🏻♂️
@@ferntin4479 sometimes for sure. It is interesting to see how whichever one of them finds themselves on the weaker end of an issue argues their point, but it's also nice to see them converse honestly like this when they're genuinely disgusted by filth like bellichick.
We all can agree overall wayyyy better than first take lmao
Brady never wanted special treatment. He just wanted to be appreciated by the coach that he played with for 20 years. It’s honestly very sad. 😞
He did want special treatment and it’s not sad it’s business. He treated every player like that so him saying he appreciated Brady which led to be honest he has done in his own way multiple times over would be special treatment if he went out of character and talked all lovingly and appreciative about him because he doesn’t do that with his players. So yes it would be special treatment because he’s not that way now you can say that sad bud that’s the reason why he gets the best out of his players is because he is cold and calculating when it comes to that
thats special treatment...
The truth is Brady wanted what was best for himself and Belichick wanted was best for himself. They both wanted to prove they were the one responsible for winning but Belichick went too far to try and show up Brady
@@DuckFanDane In a company. No matter what anyone says some people are going to be treated better. The Owner is going to treat the CFO way better than the custodian and thats facts. I dont think Brady wanted special treatment but at the same time he wanted to be treated as pivotal part of the organization instead of just regular 9-5 employee. Which I understand. 19 years and cant even be friendly with his supervisor (coach). What?
Brady did want special treatment but that’s fine that’s okay he won 6 super bowls it’s warranted
Brady (Darth Vader) finally turned on the Emperor (Bill Palpatine). This SNF is gonna be the most watched regular season game ever.
Might be the best analogy I’ve ever seen
I would not be surprised if it gets similar ratings to the Superbowl
Factssss
Brady>Belichick
This was one of their best convos
I agree
Facts
Man that Tom Brady 10 Episode Doc is gonna be crazier than Last Dance at this point lol.
EVERYONE knew Belechick was a cold and calculating guy since his days as the Giants defensive coordinator under Parcells back in the 80s!
True, but Tom is equally cold and calculating.
@@burnbabylonburn78 no Brady is friendly to teammates in a way. He’s cold blooded if you are in his teams way.
@@MylesKillis Bingo!
@@MylesKillis that’s the image the media sold you. I just don’t buy it.
1. Bill Belichick is 62-74 (45.6%) in the regular season as a head coach without Tom Brady and 219-64 (77.4%) with Tom Brady
2. Bill Belichick is 1-1 (50.0%) in the playoffs as a head coach without Tom Brady and is 30-11(73.2%) in the playoffs with Tom Brady
3. Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe, Matt Cassell, Jimmy Garroppolo, and Cam Newton have a *COMBINED* 11 Pro Bowl selections, 16 playoff appearances, 6 conference championship game appearances, and 3 Super Bowl appearances with 8 different head coaches in their careers. Those same 6 quarterbacks have made a *TOTAL* of 0 Pro Bowls, 1 playoff appearance, and 0 conference championship game appearances with Belichick as their head coach
4. Belichick has 8 full seasons as a head coach without Brady under his belt. In those 8 seasons without Brady, he has failed to make the playoffs 7 times with 6 losing seasons
5. Belichick was fired from the Cleveland Browns prior to the 1996 NFL season. The Browns were then promptly relocated to Baltimore where they won a Super Bowl in the 2000 season
6. Belichick was hired as the Browns head coach prior to the 1991 NFL season. The Browns played in the AFC Championship game in 1986, 1987, and 1989
7. Belichick is 26-30 (46.4%) as head coach of the Patriots without Tom Brady. He saw an *IMMEDIATE* 6 win increase and Super Bowl win as soon as Brady became starter in 2001 and saw an *IMMEDIATE* 5 win dropoff and playoff miss when Brady missed an entire season in 2008. Then he saw another *IMMEDIATE* 5 win dropoff once Tom Brady left for the Buccaneers in 2020
8. The 2008 Patriots scored 179 fewer points (11.2 PPG) than their 2007 counterparts and Matt Cassell threw for 1,113 fewer yards, 29 fewer touchdowns, 4 more interceptions, and had a 27.8 decrease in passer rating from Tom Brady in 2007 with the only subtractions from the team being Asante Samuel and Tom Brady. The 2008 Patriots also had the 5th easiest SOS and were 2-4 against playoff teams while still missing the playoffs. The 2007 Patriots had the 8th hardest SOS while being 6-0 against playoff teams in the regular season
9. Drew Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl with 3 different head coaches, but couldn't with Belichick. Drew Bledsoe also threw for 3,691 yards in 18 games with Belichick, but the moment he goes to Buffalo, he throws for 4,354 yards while posting a better record (being a win away from making the playoffs) and making the Pro Bowl
10. Pete Carroll took the Patriots under Drew Bledsoe to the playoffs twice while Belichick could not do it in his season with Bledsoe. In his 3 seasons as the Patriots head coach, Pete Carroll went 27-21 with 2 playoff appearances and 0 losing seasons
11. In his 6 years as a head coach before 2001, Bill Belichick had never had a top 10 ranked scoring offense. The Patriots offense ranked 25th in 2000 with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. In 2001, Tom Brady's first year as a starter, the Patriots ranked 6th in scoring offense
12. Drew Bledsoe has had 10 career 40+ point games in his career, with 3 different teams and 3 different head coaches. His highest point total under Bill Belichick was 30 points which was achieved just once in 18 games
13. Drew Bledsoe's worst career record of 5-11 was achieved with Bill Belichick as head coach. Bledsoe has produced a better record with every other head coach and team he's ever played for, including the Buffalo Bills
14. Vinny Testaverde's best season under Bill Belichick was in 1995 when he threw for 2,887 yards and 17 touchdowns. The very next season Bill Belichick was fired and Testaverde threw for 4,177 yards and 33 touchdowns while making the Pro Bowl under interim head coach Ted Marchibroda. Testaverde now sits at #15 all time in passing yards and #16 all time in passing touchdowns. He has 7 seasons that are better than his best season with Belichick
15. The Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis from 2000-2004, produced 3 top 10 scoring offenses in 4 seasons with Brady as his starting quarterback. Without Brady, he has only produced 1 top 10 scoring offense in 5 seasons
16. Josh McDaniels who was the Patriots offensive coordinator from 2006-2008, and then from 2012-2019, has had a top 10 scoring offense every single year Brady has been his starting quarterback. McDaniels left to become the head coach of the Denver Broncos from 2009-2010. In those two seasons, his scoring offense ranked 20th and 19th respectively. McDaniels was then fired and became the offensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams in 2011 where his scoring offense ranked 32nd among teams
17. Bill O'Brien became the Patriots offensive coordinator in 2011 where he had the #3 scoring offense in the league. He then went on to be the head coach of the Houston Texans, where, in 6 seasons with the team, he still hasn't produced 1 top 10 scoring offense, even with players like Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins
18. Before Tom Brady, Bill Belichick had never coached a team with either 4,000 passing yards or 30 passing touchdowns in a season. In fact, he didn't do it when Tom Brady missed an entire season in 2008 or in 2020 after Brady left via free agent one year following Tom Brady throwing for over 4,000 yards at 42 years old
19. Bill Belichick fully expected to be fired in the 2001 season before the Drew Bledsoe injury. According to Charlie Weis, Belichick called him on the phone and told him to put his house up for sale because he didn't think they were going to last too much longer. According to a Jets coach, in week 2 Belichick and Charlie Weis were talking to them before the game and were saying "We're going to get fired". The Jets coach then detailed how Belichick told them how they didn't want Bledsoe, but he was a big locker room presence
20. Bill Belichick had 3 quarterbacks to start under him that were drafted 1st overall in their respective drafts. Bill Belichick has gone 16-15 with Vinny Testaverde (drafted 1st overall in 1987 NFL draft), 5-13 with Drew Bledsoe (drafted 1st overall in 1993 NFL draft), and 7-8 with Cam Newton (drafted 1st overall in 2011 NFL draft) for a COMBINED record of 28 -36 (43.8%) with 1st overall draft picks at quarterback
21. Bill Belichick has gone 14-21 (40.0%) with quarterbacks that have gone on to make the Super Bowl with another head coach. Bill Belichick has gone 5-13 with Drew Bledsoe who made the Super Bowl in 1996 with Bill Parcels as head coach, 2-0 with Jimmy Garroppolo who made the Super Bowl in 2019 with Kyle Shanahan as head coach, and 7-8 with Cam Newton, who made the Super Bowl in 2015 with Ron Rivera as head coach.
22. In 2016, when Tom Brady missed 4 games due to suspension, the Patriots went 3-1 with Jimmy Garroppolo and then Jacoby Brissett at quarterbacks. In those 4 games, the Patriots played 2 games against teams who finished the season with losing records, 3 games at home, and they were shut out 16-0 to a Buffalo Bills team at home whom Brady put up 41 points against 4 weeks later on the road. The best team the Patriots played in those 4 games were the Houston Texans, who had 16 touchdowns to 17 interceptions on the season and had the same number of fumbles lost as rushing touchdowns. Jacoby Brissett threw a grand total of 0 touchdown passes in 10 quarters played during that 4 game stretch
23. Art Modell is 305-253-8 (54.7%), with 18 playoff appearances, 8 conference championship game appearances, a NFL championship (1964), and a Super Bowl championship (2000) as a NFL owner in games Bill Belichick was not his head coach. In games Bill Belichick was his head coach, Art Modell is 36-44 (45.0%) with 1 playoff appearance and 0 conference championship game appearances
24. Robert Kraft was 54-42 (56.3%), with 4 playoff appearances, 1 conference championship game appearance, and 1 Super Bowl appearance in 6 seasons as a NFL owner from 1994-1999 (bought the team in 1994) without Bill Belichick as his head coach. Robert Kraft is 26-30 (46.4%) with 0 playoff appearances in 3 FULL seasons with a Bradyless Bill Belichick as his head coach
Lol how long it took you to write all that 😅
You may be the goat of arguing. That’s a really compelling case there.
This is an amazing break down. Thank you
As a stat lover, thank you
Belichick's defenses and special teams GREATLY contributed to 4 of those 6 SB wins. I'd go as far as to say there was no chance the Pats would've won 4 of those 6 SBs without their performances.
Belichick literally benched his best cornerback before the super bowl vs the Eagles if that's not cold blooded idk what is
Sounds more egotistical to me
And is one of the sole reasons they lost that
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Nah, cutting the dude the night before seems colder to me.
It's stupidity i suppose?
Never forget: We will never see that Robert Kraft tape from the massage parlor. He beat that charge moonwalking 🐐🐐🐐
Agree if only Watson called Me Kraft where he could get a happy ending he be playing for a new team.
@@dewknow1315 facts
@@dewknow1315 notice u havent heard a peep about Watson .. n the allegations from the Texans owner best friend
Billionaire privilege
That's because he has that F U money
I love this show so much, by far the best talking heads in sports and it’s not even close…. That being said can you please start talking about something else other than LJ, the Lakers, Brady, and the cowboys? Once or twice a week is fine but it’s a everyday thing and some times 2-3 topics in one day are about the cowboys and it gets old!
I agree
Exactly how I've been feeling lately
You guys new here? This is how it’s been for a decade plus and people still keep coming back
This and Speak For Yourself are the two best sports shows.
Add LeFlop to that as well.
Stephen a really think he got the best morning sports show lmaoooooooo this show clearly better
Who cares? Tom Brady left to Tampa, WON a Super Bowl which is an automatic smack in Patriots mouth👊🏼
Yeah TB already won that argument.
@@Ironona23 and he came back and beat his old team!
Sharpe just wants Tom to keep winning, he just won't say it. That's why he has to keep dumping fuel on Tom's fire.
Shannon just a hater
I can’t imagine having probably the greatest football player ever and not wanting him anymore. Even in his 40s he is still producing at a high level. How big must your ego be?
The greatest football player!? Uh, no…lol
@@cole8165 Yeah, go ahead and try and name another player better than Brady so I can laugh at you
@@kingme1931 Uh, he might be the most accomplished…but he’s not the greatest football player. Sorry.
@@cole8165 nah bro he's the goat. Results don't lie. There might have been more dominant players at their respected position but quarterback is the most important position and TB12 is the best quarterback to have ever touched a football.
@@Jb-wj5zy I wonder if he’d be that dominant if he played in the 80s and 90s when QBs could actually be hit and the league wasn’t so pass friendly like today’s game?
This is why this show is the best. Skip knew leaving First Take was gonna work with Shannon.
Skip n Shannon =Greatest Duo Of All Time.🔥
I'm not a Brady fan at all but I love his obsession and work ethic. How does a coach of 20 years and numerous superbowl wins not even meet with his qb before he leaves. That is some serious disdain. I just want to know what is it about Tom that he refuses to show him any kind of love it's strictly business.
Ego and jealousy
Absolutely loved this segment. These two have peaks no other members of the media can touch
Shannon speaking straight facts like always 🐐
Og unc shay
Winning trumps all but if you're being mistreated or feel like you're under appreciated he will go win somewhere else. Bill has this idea in his head that he can pull a Tom Brady from anywhere
Exactly. You see this in other places to. Nigel Mansel leaving Williams for Ferrari because Sir Frank Williams and Sir Patrick Head treated him like a cog, Shaq leaving the Lakers because Jerry Buss treated him as disposable, Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones like Skip and Shannon said.
Tom made Bill. The natural talent was already there with Brady. IF Bill was such a great coach he would’ve had a winning record as a head coach pre Tom. He had a LOSING record.
The joy in Skips eyes when he starts talking about those 90's Cowboys is literally hilarious
Amazing analysis by Shannon and especially skip this is 20 years of them remembering every detail keep it up fellas number one show by far
Bill Belicheck deserves zero wins for the rest of his career for the way he treated people that gave him years of service… karma is paying the old grumpy man back
Man please... these are pro athletes that get paid ten of millions of dollars per year! Don't cry for them
@@3dgelord187 They're still men, last time I checked manhood comes first, respect. 🤡🤡
@@santino5873 They're entertainers. Not soldiers 🤡🤡
@@3dgelord187 Wrong.. human beings. 😂
Coach troutface
Best discussion between these two I've watched,
Instead of against brady for brady,
Enjoyed this immensely,
Its crazy how when the Patriots were winning super bowls nobody had a problem
There was definitely a few problems like when he benched Malcolm butler
oh, victory is the best deodorant...
Nobody was allowed to speak about the problems. They still had them tho. Brady free now.....bill can't stop him. 🤣
When comes to Belichek and Brady saga could listen to these guys all day
They know how to narrate it🙏🙏
Exactly Shannon! It is a business, that being said, just like any business I’ve experienced, if an employee leaves after a couple years, they will be thanked for their time and work, BUT I’ve noticed, the people who spent literally decades, once they leave they get a bigger better farewell and it’s just what they deserve for what they’ve done. That being said, Tom should’ve been treated differently when he left, and let’s be honest, Bill thought Tom had nothing left. I was a die hard pats fan, but after what they did, and everything, I’m no longer a big pats fan as I once was, from 2000-2020. Have been my fav pats/team. Just like Tom, I’m moving on.
Everyone outside of New England knew your favorite team was full of scumbags. No surprises here.
Btw Brady, Belichick, Kraft, and the Patriots didn't speak to the author of the book about anything in the book nor did they contribute anything.
You can still gain enough information just by speaking to the surrounding people. Loose lips sink ships. And one thing people will always do is talk
That's even more damning to me. Means there is a lot of questions you don't want to answer and alot of info you don't want out there 😬
@@IncognitoSprax innuendo and hearsay
@@jdamore71 Hearsay only works in court and even then still has exceptions.
@@IncognitoSprax speculation and conjecture
Belichick is the perfect example that Success doesn't equal Happiness. Patriots won a lot of championships but the happiness wasn't there
Belichick is basically what workinf corporate is like at its worst. Give him an inch and he'll take it a mile.
Thats a perfect analogy. The tyranical boss crushing everybody to meet end of the month goals. The ends justify the means is just a stupid and dangerous way of viewing life.
Be like working for the Army. Bill even treats his players like them. Refusing to treat people differently. Army officers can be quite cold at times too. Distancing themselves from everyone not of rank. To keep authority over them. Most players buy In to his work ethic too and very complain. James Harrison spoke about his time and he enjoyed it. Judon has said he loves it. The no fun a load of bs. You work hard, you're prepared to or not. It's not much different from other clubs. Bill just works people a bit harder on fitness and gameplanning.
Not even close. You're making millions, you also will not last. Make your life easier and don't form extremely close relationships with people that are temporary.
Great piece, this is why this is the best show in sports!
This show is so good 💫
I love to watch you guys skip and shannon you guys are geniuses when it comes to football!!!! You are very entertaining!!! Thanks guys for all the information!!!
Great great analysis and show! Bravo
Bill Belichick: “96X BAM! The future of rock n roll,”🤣
It’s the one thing that is true with any coach in any sport, as long as you win you can get away with a lot; just look at bob knight as well.
Me and my baby mama love this show. She don't understand sports but she loves the back n forth debate
LOL Damn 🤦🏾♂️ she loves to argue huh? Mines too 🤣
Undisputed is the premier show. The focus is always on the heavy weights, the undisputed champions. So expect the shows to focus on the best and most popular. FS1 uses FTF and SFY as backups to test new topics.
Belichick isnt as condescending as he is now when he was just a dc in ny, or a hc with the browns. He was all smiles unless they lost and always welcoming all questions. His ego became so big as success came. He’s a good defensive coach and he always had an eye to good defensive plAyers. He cant accept that he’s a swing and miss when it comes to skill players.
To his credit, that got him Brady in check all the way to his 19th yr.
1. Bill Belichick is 62-74 (45.6%) in the regular season as a head coach without Tom Brady and 219-64 (77.4%) with Tom Brady
2. Bill Belichick is 1-1 (50.0%) in the playoffs as a head coach without Tom Brady and is 30-11(73.2%) in the playoffs with Tom Brady
3. Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe, Matt Cassell, Jimmy Garroppolo, and Cam Newton have a *COMBINED* 11 Pro Bowl selections, 16 playoff appearances, 6 conference championship game appearances, and 3 Super Bowl appearances with 8 different head coaches in their careers. Those same 6 quarterbacks have made a *TOTAL* of 0 Pro Bowls, 1 playoff appearance, and 0 conference championship game appearances with Belichick as their head coach
4. Belichick has 8 full seasons as a head coach without Brady under his belt. In those 8 seasons without Brady, he has failed to make the playoffs 7 times with 6 losing seasons
5. Belichick was fired from the Cleveland Browns prior to the 1996 NFL season. The Browns were then promptly relocated to Baltimore where they won a Super Bowl in the 2000 season
6. Belichick was hired as the Browns head coach prior to the 1991 NFL season. The Browns played in the AFC Championship game in 1986, 1987, and 1989
7. Belichick is 26-30 (46.4%) as head coach of the Patriots without Tom Brady. He saw an *IMMEDIATE* 6 win increase and Super Bowl win as soon as Brady became starter in 2001 and saw an *IMMEDIATE* 5 win dropoff and playoff miss when Brady missed an entire season in 2008. Then he saw another *IMMEDIATE* 5 win dropoff once Tom Brady left for the Buccaneers in 2020
8. The 2008 Patriots scored 179 fewer points (11.2 PPG) than their 2007 counterparts and Matt Cassell threw for 1,113 fewer yards, 29 fewer touchdowns, 4 more interceptions, and had a 27.8 decrease in passer rating from Tom Brady in 2007 with the only subtractions from the team being Asante Samuel and Tom Brady. The 2008 Patriots also had the 5th easiest SOS and were 2-4 against playoff teams while still missing the playoffs. The 2007 Patriots had the 8th hardest SOS while being 6-0 against playoff teams in the regular season
9. Drew Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl with 3 different head coaches, but couldn't with Belichick. Drew Bledsoe also threw for 3,691 yards in 18 games with Belichick, but the moment he goes to Buffalo, he throws for 4,354 yards while posting a better record (being a win away from making the playoffs) and making the Pro Bowl
10. Pete Carroll took the Patriots under Drew Bledsoe to the playoffs twice while Belichick could not do it in his season with Bledsoe. In his 3 seasons as the Patriots head coach, Pete Carroll went 27-21 with 2 playoff appearances and 0 losing seasons
11. In his 6 years as a head coach before 2001, Bill Belichick had never had a top 10 ranked scoring offense. The Patriots offense ranked 25th in 2000 with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. In 2001, Tom Brady's first year as a starter, the Patriots ranked 6th in scoring offense
12. Drew Bledsoe has had 10 career 40+ point games in his career, with 3 different teams and 3 different head coaches. His highest point total under Bill Belichick was 30 points which was achieved just once in 18 games
13. Drew Bledsoe's worst career record of 5-11 was achieved with Bill Belichick as head coach. Bledsoe has produced a better record with every other head coach and team he's ever played for, including the Buffalo Bills
14. Vinny Testaverde's best season under Bill Belichick was in 1995 when he threw for 2,887 yards and 17 touchdowns. The very next season Bill Belichick was fired and Testaverde threw for 4,177 yards and 33 touchdowns while making the Pro Bowl under interim head coach Ted Marchibroda. Testaverde now sits at #15 all time in passing yards and #16 all time in passing touchdowns. He has 7 seasons that are better than his best season with Belichick
15. The Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis from 2000-2004, produced 3 top 10 scoring offenses in 4 seasons with Brady as his starting quarterback. Without Brady, he has only produced 1 top 10 scoring offense in 5 seasons
16. Josh McDaniels who was the Patriots offensive coordinator from 2006-2008, and then from 2012-2019, has had a top 10 scoring offense every single year Brady has been his starting quarterback. McDaniels left to become the head coach of the Denver Broncos from 2009-2010. In those two seasons, his scoring offense ranked 20th and 19th respectively. McDaniels was then fired and became the offensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams in 2011 where his scoring offense ranked 32nd among teams
17. Bill O'Brien became the Patriots offensive coordinator in 2011 where he had the #3 scoring offense in the league. He then went on to be the head coach of the Houston Texans, where, in 6 seasons with the team, he still hasn't produced 1 top 10 scoring offense, even with players like Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins
18. Before Tom Brady, Bill Belichick had never coached a team with either 4,000 passing yards or 30 passing touchdowns in a season. In fact, he didn't do it when Tom Brady missed an entire season in 2008 or in 2020 after Brady left via free agent one year following Tom Brady throwing for over 4,000 yards at 42 years old
19. Bill Belichick fully expected to be fired in the 2001 season before the Drew Bledsoe injury. According to Charlie Weis, Belichick called him on the phone and told him to put his house up for sale because he didn't think they were going to last too much longer. According to a Jets coach, in week 2 Belichick and Charlie Weis were talking to them before the game and were saying "We're going to get fired". The Jets coach then detailed how Belichick told them how they didn't want Bledsoe, but he was a big locker room presence
20. Bill Belichick had 3 quarterbacks to start under him that were drafted 1st overall in their respective drafts. Bill Belichick has gone 16-15 with Vinny Testaverde (drafted 1st overall in 1987 NFL draft), 5-13 with Drew Bledsoe (drafted 1st overall in 1993 NFL draft), and 7-8 with Cam Newton (drafted 1st overall in 2011 NFL draft) for a COMBINED record of 28 -36 (43.8%) with 1st overall draft picks at quarterback
21. Bill Belichick has gone 14-21 (40.0%) with quarterbacks that have gone on to make the Super Bowl with another head coach. Bill Belichick has gone 5-13 with Drew Bledsoe who made the Super Bowl in 1996 with Bill Parcels as head coach, 2-0 with Jimmy Garroppolo who made the Super Bowl in 2019 with Kyle Shanahan as head coach, and 7-8 with Cam Newton, who made the Super Bowl in 2015 with Ron Rivera as head coach.
22. In 2016, when Tom Brady missed 4 games due to suspension, the Patriots went 3-1 with Jimmy Garroppolo and then Jacoby Brissett at quarterbacks. In those 4 games, the Patriots played 2 games against teams who finished the season with losing records, 3 games at home, and they were shut out 16-0 to a Buffalo Bills team at home whom Brady put up 41 points against 4 weeks later on the road. The best team the Patriots played in those 4 games were the Houston Texans, who had 16 touchdowns to 17 interceptions on the season and had the same number of fumbles lost as rushing touchdowns. Jacoby Brissett threw a grand total of 0 touchdown passes in 10 quarters played during that 4 game stretch
23. Art Modell is 305-253-8 (54.7%), with 18 playoff appearances, 8 conference championship game appearances, a NFL championship (1964), and a Super Bowl championship (2000) as a NFL owner in games Bill Belichick was not his head coach. In games Bill Belichick was his head coach, Art Modell is 36-44 (45.0%) with 1 playoff appearance and 0 conference championship game appearances
24. Robert Kraft was 54-42 (56.3%), with 4 playoff appearances, 1 conference championship game appearance, and 1 Super Bowl appearance in 6 seasons as a NFL owner from 1994-1999 (bought the team in 1994) without Bill Belichick as his head coach. Robert Kraft is 26-30 (46.4%) with 0 playoff appearances in 3 FULL seasons with a Bradyless Bill Belichick as his head coach
People like Belichick don't change because of success, success just shows who they truly are so he's always been that way but he didn't have the spotlight on him
its not exactly ego. he is a genius. plain and simple.
that is a lonely thing to be among thousands and thousands of idiots in the nfl and in the patriots organization.
eventually he had to accept that about himself and that other people dont even have the wit to understand how much smarter than them he is. he had to decide to stop trying to please other people completely.
@@enhanced6892 The word genius had been thrown around so casually nowaday to underserved people. Eric Mangini was once called a genius because he had a couple successful seasons. Sean McVay was called a genius because he too had a couple successful seasons. After Mangini stop winning, he was run out of the league and couldn't get another coaching job. No longer a genius. BB is called a genius because he won. But the question is is it him or Brady? If he is such a genius then why he couldn't win anything without Brady? Why is he looking at another losing season and miss the playoff even after spending the most money in free agency in a single offseason in NFL's history? From the day Brady left the Pats, BB will have a hard time making the playoff let alone a perennial Superbowl contender. BB is a fake. He is getting exposed. Maybe he kept hearing people like you saying how great and such a genius he is (when he is neither) he started to believe it and want to show the world that it was him alone responsible for the dynasty. As a result, he is getting exposed.
@@sportsavant2937 you are somewhat correct. however its doesnt matter how smart you are when you're dealing with as many moving parts as there are in the nfl. bad owners repeatedly ruin any hope of their employees succeeding.
bill however is indeed a genius. without kraft and brady to facilitate the execution of his ideals, yes he would have joined a long line of geniuses with nothing to show.
and if brady was drafted by detroit, he wouldnt now be considered the greatest anything.
Thank god Shannon has finally turned the corner on Tom Brady I’m actually proud of him for not putting Tom down to much this season so far
It's not just Shannon. Really I think it has alot to do with his trade and success as a buc. There has been so much controversy and general disdain for the Patriots dynasty that just the team switch gave Tom a pr boost if you will, on top of turning a losing team into a SB champion proving that Tom was more then just a system qb...freeing Brady from under bb's thumb also gave fans a glimpse of Tom's outstanding personality. Long time rival fans could actually lift the "the evil empire" facade and see Tom was far from the Darth Vader of football rather Bill being closer to the Emperor and pulling most strings...I think it's a bit of a wake up call to most NFL fans, Tom Brady truelly is the greatest qb to breathe, after Tom became a buc it's pretty obvious that the pats owed a large portion of there success to Tom
@@Ranzoe813 Tom was a system QB but that's not a bad thing cause the system was great and he didn't let his ego go against it. But he is showing he can play in a different system with loaded weapons.
Shannon made me laugh for a good10 minutes when he said Brady thought Belichick was a B*hole!!!
wow, this is one of the first times i've ever agreed with shannon 100% lol
GREAT DISCUSSION!!!
"Toms better than me" lmaoooo
Bellichick probably has 200 mics and hidden cameras waiting for Tommy
Best show by far.. love them
Tom is better than me 🤣🤣🤣🤣 quote Unc. SHAY SHAY.
I second that!! This is the best pairing. I guess the rumors that this duo may be separating we’re not true right?
Whenever Shannon says "Mr. Kraft" what I hear is "Mr. Crab" in spongebob square pants
Yeah Tom was furious about that benching of Butler in SB 53 until now I think. You can watch it on one of the Bucs documentary where he talked with DC Todd and then Tom was assured the Chiefs won't score 40+ points referring to that Eagles SB loss.
What is this book called. I am so interested in it now...
So where can I read the book?
Skip wishes he ever had a coach that could lead him to this type of glory
18:05 finally some Phil Jackson truth
Phil Jackson is a fraud. Called Kobe "uncouchable" and then contradicted himself by running back to coach him so he could win more rings on Kobe's coattails. And the when Kobe started to decline, he retired to preserve his legacy.
Overrated phony. Without MJ and Pippen and Kobe and Shaq, he would be nothing.
It's gonna be super interesting to see what the Pats do in the next few years without Tom. So much drama. :)
In my humble opinion if he never drafted father time he would only had those 2 rings
0 rings imo.
8 seasons without Brady, 6 losing seasons, 0 division titles (that surprised me), 1 playoff appearance, averaged 17 ppg, worse record than Rex Ryan. Lol. Hes 63-75 without Brady. Trash. That's a MASSIVE sample size. Brady was top 6 in the entire NFL in Passer Rating in his FIRST season in 2001 without a single all pro skill position player on offense. And he made the Pro Bowl. His first season as a starter. Brady made Belichick.
Bill Probably would have been fired n 2001 If Drew had not got hurt .He would have had 7 Head Coaching seasons and 6 Losing Seasons ,0 Divisional Titles ,He made it to 1 playoff game with Cleveland .Bill was Blessed a 6th round pick won Him 3 Super Bowls n 4 Seasons .When Brady had a 9 Season Drought of winning a Super Bowl ,Missed 1 Year with a knee Injury .They went to 2 Super Bowls ,6 AFC Championship Games and then won the Super Bowl n 2014 Season ,Won it n 2016 ,Went n 2017 won n 2018 and Brady won n 2020 .
Also Bill tried to get rid of Brady sooner than this Unlike Aaron Rodgers .Even though Brady had been to 5 Super Bowls won 3 had a 9 year Drought Bill Drafted Jimmy G n 2014 .Brady Won the Super Bowl at age 37 ,Went to the AFC Championship Game n 2015 ,Won the Super Bowl n 2016 greatest Comeback ever His 5th Ring .And Yeah Brady Forced a Trade but Won MVP at age 40 n 2017 went to the Super Bowl threw for 505 yards ,3 TD 0 Picks and Bill Benched there best Corner .Brady wins another Super Bowl n 2018 So Brady won 3 More Super Bowls after Jimmy G was Drafted and went to 4 with the pats .Jimmy G threw for 475 Yards n 3 Games to get carried to a Super Bowl and could not make a throw ended up throwing for 170 Yards Most Check down Do no matter Yards .Brady goes to Tampa wins any were and Jimmy G is almost 30 Years old about to b let go by His 2nd team. He might b a Starter for 4 or 5 more years ,Brady will b a Starter up until Next year until age 45 .I think Tampa Bay goes to the Playoffs has Success and Pats miss the playoffs again and Maybe Bill retires n a few Years after losing seasons .I Hope Brady goes out on a Super Bowl or MVP Season ,Super Bowl MVP or at least NFC Championship Game with Playing really well.Brady is on Pace for over 650 TD ,Over 87,000 Yards ,Over at least 255 Regular season Wins 78 losses for His career. He is 34-11 n the playoffs and If the next 2 seasons lets say wins 1 loses 1 and won a Super Bowl 3-0 38-12 B unreal .Even If He made it to another NFC Championship Game with a Buy 1 year going 2-1 and went 1-1 and went 37-13 Pretty damn Good .Most Playoff Wins next to Brady is Joe Montana with 16 Brady has 34 and I Hope He wins 2 More Super Bowls .
@@brianblair6067 I believe he will!
Coach Pop always gets compared to Belichick because of their coaching prowess and ties to a generational talent. The big difference is that Pop, from Day 1, always said that the Spurs were Duncan's team, and he'd coach as long as Duncan wanted him to.
Gotta get this book. Sounds like a fast read.
Tom and Bill gonna have a interview like shaq and Kobe and break the Internet one day 🤣🤣💯
Shannon said he like rain man😂😂😂😂
Tyquan Underwood story is low down BB is so heartless like a mortal kombat character
How is this book called?
Gadamn it Bill! 🤦🏾♂️ We could’ve been a dynasty…. Well, a triple dynasty I mean. 😂
What was the point of cutting someone a day before the Super Bowl, the last game of the season? That's next-level cold blooded.
Cant wait for the Tom Brady doc after this😂
I hope this game lives up to all this hype
3:41
Shannon funny af!
Love his way how he comes with the metaphors...poor Mr. Kraft 🤣🤣🤣
"I'm not gonna cut this golden gooses head off! It was the farmer!" 🥶🥶🥶
🤣🤣🤣
This is like a boy band breakup except if they were all on TRT
Whats the name of the book
BRADY DESERVED A DIFFERENT TRESTMENT
JUST A LITTLE MORE
What book is this?
Bellicheat can't win without Brady. He isn't the coach that Brady made him look. Brady made Bill. Bill didn't make Brady. Bellicheats decision making cost Brady a super bowl against the Eagles and Giants. Bill gets way too much credit for Brady's legendary career.
You’re right and wrong. Bill helped mold Brady to be who he is but he wouldn’t have won without Brady.
@@vincem3393 Bill didn't mold Brady into anything.
1. Bill Belichick is 62-74 (45.6%) in the regular season as a head coach without Tom Brady and 219-64 (77.4%) with Tom Brady
2. Bill Belichick is 1-1 (50.0%) in the playoffs as a head coach without Tom Brady and is 30-11(73.2%) in the playoffs with Tom Brady
3. Bernie Kosar, Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe, Matt Cassell, Jimmy Garroppolo, and Cam Newton have a *COMBINED* 11 Pro Bowl selections, 16 playoff appearances, 6 conference championship game appearances, and 3 Super Bowl appearances with 8 different head coaches in their careers. Those same 6 quarterbacks have made a *TOTAL* of 0 Pro Bowls, 1 playoff appearance, and 0 conference championship game appearances with Belichick as their head coach
4. Belichick has 8 full seasons as a head coach without Brady under his belt. In those 8 seasons without Brady, he has failed to make the playoffs 7 times with 6 losing seasons
5. Belichick was fired from the Cleveland Browns prior to the 1996 NFL season. The Browns were then promptly relocated to Baltimore where they won a Super Bowl in the 2000 season
6. Belichick was hired as the Browns head coach prior to the 1991 NFL season. The Browns played in the AFC Championship game in 1986, 1987, and 1989
7. Belichick is 26-30 (46.4%) as head coach of the Patriots without Tom Brady. He saw an *IMMEDIATE* 6 win increase and Super Bowl win as soon as Brady became starter in 2001 and saw an *IMMEDIATE* 5 win dropoff and playoff miss when Brady missed an entire season in 2008. Then he saw another *IMMEDIATE* 5 win dropoff once Tom Brady left for the Buccaneers in 2020
8. The 2008 Patriots scored 179 fewer points (11.2 PPG) than their 2007 counterparts and Matt Cassell threw for 1,113 fewer yards, 29 fewer touchdowns, 4 more interceptions, and had a 27.8 decrease in passer rating from Tom Brady in 2007 with the only subtractions from the team being Asante Samuel and Tom Brady. The 2008 Patriots also had the 5th easiest SOS and were 2-4 against playoff teams while still missing the playoffs. The 2007 Patriots had the 8th hardest SOS while being 6-0 against playoff teams in the regular season
9. Drew Bledsoe made the Pro Bowl with 3 different head coaches, but couldn't with Belichick. Drew Bledsoe also threw for 3,691 yards in 18 games with Belichick, but the moment he goes to Buffalo, he throws for 4,354 yards while posting a better record (being a win away from making the playoffs) and making the Pro Bowl
10. Pete Carroll took the Patriots under Drew Bledsoe to the playoffs twice while Belichick could not do it in his season with Bledsoe. In his 3 seasons as the Patriots head coach, Pete Carroll went 27-21 with 2 playoff appearances and 0 losing seasons
11. In his 6 years as a head coach before 2001, Bill Belichick had never had a top 10 ranked scoring offense. The Patriots offense ranked 25th in 2000 with Drew Bledsoe at quarterback. In 2001, Tom Brady's first year as a starter, the Patriots ranked 6th in scoring offense
12. Drew Bledsoe has had 10 career 40+ point games in his career, with 3 different teams and 3 different head coaches. His highest point total under Bill Belichick was 30 points which was achieved just once in 18 games
13. Drew Bledsoe's worst career record of 5-11 was achieved with Bill Belichick as head coach. Bledsoe has produced a better record with every other head coach and team he's ever played for, including the Buffalo Bills
14. Vinny Testaverde's best season under Bill Belichick was in 1995 when he threw for 2,887 yards and 17 touchdowns. The very next season Bill Belichick was fired and Testaverde threw for 4,177 yards and 33 touchdowns while making the Pro Bowl under interim head coach Ted Marchibroda. Testaverde now sits at #15 all time in passing yards and #16 all time in passing touchdowns. He has 7 seasons that are better than his best season with Belichick
15. The Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis from 2000-2004, produced 3 top 10 scoring offenses in 4 seasons with Brady as his starting quarterback. Without Brady, he has only produced 1 top 10 scoring offense in 5 seasons
16. Josh McDaniels who was the Patriots offensive coordinator from 2006-2008, and then from 2012-2019, has had a top 10 scoring offense every single year Brady has been his starting quarterback. McDaniels left to become the head coach of the Denver Broncos from 2009-2010. In those two seasons, his scoring offense ranked 20th and 19th respectively. McDaniels was then fired and became the offensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams in 2011 where his scoring offense ranked 32nd among teams
17. Bill O'Brien became the Patriots offensive coordinator in 2011 where he had the #3 scoring offense in the league. He then went on to be the head coach of the Houston Texans, where, in 6 seasons with the team, he still hasn't produced 1 top 10 scoring offense, even with players like Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins
18. Before Tom Brady, Bill Belichick had never coached a team with either 4,000 passing yards or 30 passing touchdowns in a season. In fact, he didn't do it when Tom Brady missed an entire season in 2008 or in 2020 after Brady left via free agent one year following Tom Brady throwing for over 4,000 yards at 42 years old
19. Bill Belichick fully expected to be fired in the 2001 season before the Drew Bledsoe injury. According to Charlie Weis, Belichick called him on the phone and told him to put his house up for sale because he didn't think they were going to last too much longer. According to a Jets coach, in week 2 Belichick and Charlie Weis were talking to them before the game and were saying "We're going to get fired". The Jets coach then detailed how Belichick told them how they didn't want Bledsoe, but he was a big locker room presence
20. Bill Belichick had 3 quarterbacks to start under him that were drafted 1st overall in their respective drafts. Bill Belichick has gone 16-15 with Vinny Testaverde (drafted 1st overall in 1987 NFL draft), 5-13 with Drew Bledsoe (drafted 1st overall in 1993 NFL draft), and 7-8 with Cam Newton (drafted 1st overall in 2011 NFL draft) for a COMBINED record of 28 -36 (43.8%) with 1st overall draft picks at quarterback
21. Bill Belichick has gone 14-21 (40.0%) with quarterbacks that have gone on to make the Super Bowl with another head coach. Bill Belichick has gone 5-13 with Drew Bledsoe who made the Super Bowl in 1996 with Bill Parcels as head coach, 2-0 with Jimmy Garroppolo who made the Super Bowl in 2019 with Kyle Shanahan as head coach, and 7-8 with Cam Newton, who made the Super Bowl in 2015 with Ron Rivera as head coach.
22. In 2016, when Tom Brady missed 4 games due to suspension, the Patriots went 3-1 with Jimmy Garroppolo and then Jacoby Brissett at quarterbacks. In those 4 games, the Patriots played 2 games against teams who finished the season with losing records, 3 games at home, and they were shut out 16-0 to a Buffalo Bills team at home whom Brady put up 41 points against 4 weeks later on the road. The best team the Patriots played in those 4 games were the Houston Texans, who had 16 touchdowns to 17 interceptions on the season and had the same number of fumbles lost as rushing touchdowns. Jacoby Brissett threw a grand total of 0 touchdown passes in 10 quarters played during that 4 game stretch
23. Art Modell is 305-253-8 (54.7%), with 18 playoff appearances, 8 conference championship game appearances, a NFL championship (1964), and a Super Bowl championship (2000) as a NFL owner in games Bill Belichick was not his head coach. In games Bill Belichick was his head coach, Art Modell is 36-44 (45.0%) with 1 playoff appearance and 0 conference championship game appearances
24. Robert Kraft was 54-42 (56.3%), with 4 playoff appearances, 1 conference championship game appearance, and 1 Super Bowl appearance in 6 seasons as a NFL owner from 1994-1999 (bought the team in 1994) without Bill Belichick as his head coach. Robert Kraft is 26-30 (46.4%) with 0 playoff appearances in 3 FULL seasons with a Bradyless Bill Belichick as his head coach
@@vincem3393 How does a coach help mold somebody? Brady was given talent a coach can't give. Brady was taught how to read defenses and play at an NFL level but the talent and his wisdom was with him before Bill was involved. Brady was gifted talents a coach can't teach.
The Patriots lost a Super Bowl cause Bill benched Butler.
Funny how it’s all comin out now right before the big game… classic
❤ and hate more so on shannon's part😁 ❤ the sports opera😂😂😂😂😂
He so southern she couldn't understand him at the end...🤣 🤣
It's giving Game of Thrones 😂
Bill a shooter 😳 cold hearted he’s on “ demon time “ 😂😂😂😂
BRADY EARNED IT
AND BELLICHICK DROPPED THE BALL
SIMPLE AS THAT
ALL BRADY WANTED WAS A LITTLE MORE
They about make bill retire 😂😂💀💀
Mr Kraft loves them happy endings.....hahahaha
Brady has 7 Rings💍 and still has to be treated like everybody else especially coming from being a 6th round 199 pick and taking The patriots to the super bowl his first year starting 👨🏿🎨
I always wondered about that malcolm butler benching now i know a little of that. Now i want to know about the decision to by the coaches and russell Wilson to not pass to marshawn lynch who was shredding everyone 🤔 2 of biggest mysteries in recent history
That was Pete Carroll call. Not Russ Wilson
@@3dgelord187 for some reason i just can't buy that
Just makes Brady look even better if that's possible
Why skip change the question lmaooooo
Nobody is bringing him up but my suspicions were raised when they cut Vinatieri. At the time I was like that's cold. After what he did winning them their first super how could they do that? I was scratching my head.
I’m a fan of the show but sometimes it borders on media malpractice when every third-hand anonymous quote is taken as gospel by Skip and Shannon because it’s something to talk about. It’s at LEAST worth mentioning that some of this may not be true. No primary sources were used. It’s like the Aaron Rodgers “don’t be the problem” exchange that was anonymously sourced. This show quoted that daily for the entire summer. Then two weeks ago it comes out that it was totally made up and never happened. Not a peep from either one of these guys. I know it’s an entertainment show but Skip’s been an actual journalist since covering the 1919 World Series at 10 years old. He should know better.
Yea truth doing a sports show 5 days a week can be boring if you don’t get topics like this, this is kinda a gold mine for them lol
Exactly! I hate these books that are just made to be scandalous
@@joserivas8439 Libel laws prevent this. Brand equity is a real thing. You cannot just LIE your way to a book. You know why? ONE Libel suit and all your SOURCES have to be disclosed to a prosecutor.
Learn some law first. Cristiano Ronaldo won a libel suit for lies that were written in a London Newspaper about him drinking alcohol when he doesn't drink, ever.
He won the suit.
Libel and Defamation are laws for a reason. This book is almost certainly factual.
@@rodsean Libel laws prevent this. Brand equity is a real thing. You cannot just LIE your way to a book. You know why? ONE Libel suit and all your SOURCES have to be disclosed to a prosecutor.
Learn some law first. Cristiano Ronaldo won a libel suit for lies that were written in a London Newspaper about him drinking alcohol when he doesn't drink, ever.
He won the suit.
Libel and Defamation are laws for a reason. This book is almost certainly factual.
And guess what libel suits happen EVERY DAY. This is why Newspapers often offer retractions and corrections even for OLD articles.
Do you kids know ANYTHING about the law? Haha.
The Aaron Rodgers quote was not written in a book that could potentially make millions FROM THAT lie. Please, learn some law before sounding foolish. If that Rodgers quote was put in a book that made a ton of money, and it was later discovered to be a lie, that publisher will be sued for thousands or millions on damages and all his sources will have to be disclosed to a prosecutor.
A tweet is not generating income. A book does. Big difference. There is no way Rodgers reads a book that a quote that never occured without his lawyers suing for defamation/libel.
You're just in denial.
You guys think he left NE for "more weapons" when Belichick clearly kicked him out and didn't want him anymore 😂😂😂.
Did anyone hear Skip pass gas??? @21:11 ????🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmao he just shakes it off
Sharpe heard it too. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is great 👍👍👍
Kraft and Belichek are going to get what they deserve.
Lol. "A 1."
Remember what comes around goes around and when you point a finger there are three pointing back
As a player that’s what i want as a coach accountability and to be treated equally
Wow it amazing the things that come forth I didnt now all this about the Belichick Brady relationship nor how much of a to there point scoundrel thats in Belichick
Belichek went to the Bobby Knight school of charm.
Brady vs Belichick on an undercard for a Jake Paul fight. Let’s make it happen lol
In few words: Belichik loves Belichik and no one else!!!!
9:58 calling someone a butthole is very underrated