Like you, I was looking forward to upgrading my R5 to R5ii. But after finally learning the details on the improvements, and as a hobbyist wildlife stills shooter, I can't justify the expense. I'll wait for the R7 mark ii - it could be a better fit.
I was on the fence but you had me at the $5k package price. My R5 is still doing the job VERY WELL. I am leaning towards waiting for the real world experiences ( I didn't last time. SMH) or R5 MarkIII. Every other cycle is fine for me.
sounds like I'm in the same boat as you. I really wanted to be more excited for the MKii - the only thing I'd like is the new hotshoe, as I'm getting close to needing to replace my flashes. I really wish they'd release lower price photography-only camera. I've never used the video features
@@joepatbob I forgot about the newer Hot shoe. I am an Event photographer for the most part, so if I buy now, it would be the R6MkII for the low light, and new hot shoe. I mean there's a lot of nice new functions but I'm waiting to see, find, and fix the bugs that may come with them. Hey, if it bullet proof, they will be here for the next 3-5 years. LOL
Im looking forward to the new sensor performance in low light and better dynamic range + faster readout + raw buffer. These 4 things are super important to me but i have great lenses and really dont struggle in low light. I will skip upgrading but i love to see the improvements. R5 mk1 is just so good, got a great deal on it with cashback + holiday discount 2 years ago
Regarding switching video to camera mode. You can set that tiny function button by the shutter release button to do that and it’s actually much more efficient than having to switch where the power switch is on the R5
I'm looking to finally upgrade my 7D Mark II and go mirrorless. I will be using it mostly for travel photography and some wildlife with an eye towards selling the prints. Which do you think would better suit those needs? The 5 or 5 mark 2. Either would be a massive leap forward, so we aren't talking about incrimental changes. I just want to leap to the best for my needs. Thoughts?
Using the R7, sometimes, how does the autofocus compare to the R5 Mk 1 and do you believe that the autofocus for the R5 Mk II is a major upgrade from the R7 in regards to autofocus?
The autofocus on the R7 is good, but the image quality of the R5 combined with its tremendous autofocus make it way, way better. Even though I’ve never used the R5II, I can tell you that it’s focusing and image will be better than the crop sensor R7.
As a Sony user, I upgraded to the A7Rv (from the iv) thinking i needed the "AI" focus improvements. Having used the camera for a few months, the improvements are situational and can sometimes be more of a hassle to work with. It feels more like i'm playing a video game getting the AI to have the boxes on the right people ....and less "photography".
It seems like we might be getting close to a point where camera technology innovation is only going to be incremental for a while. Now it’s time for the artists to use the technology available to innovate their art. 😁
Was ich bei Sony am meisten kritisiere sind die vielen Modellwechsel. Bei A7R sind es bereits fünf und bei der A7 vier Modelle! Wenn man aktuell bleiben will ist man ständig am upgraden und beim Verkauf fällt der Preis stetig mit jedem neuen Modell. Wäre der eine oder andere Modellwechsel nicht mit einer Firmware möglich gewesen? Von Sony habe ich die RX100 Mark VA und VII die hatte sieben Wechsel bis dann abrupt Schluss war. Sonst bin ich mit der Canon R5 unterwegs. Hier hat es fast fünf Jahre gedauert bis zur Mark II... Grüße aus Bavaria!
I am an R5 shooter and I am upgrading to the R5II! I shoot landscapes, motorsports and wildlife. The sensor improvement, readout speeds, focusing improvements, pre-capture, & dynamic range improvements all make this a serious improvement over my R5. Pre-ordered and cant wait to get it in my hands.
And for a lot of people there are a lot of reasons. 1. The eye autofocus and registering up to 10 subjects. 2. The 45mp stacked sensor improving performance by at least 20% in all modes. 3. In camera upscaling 45mp to 180mp. That's a game changer for printing. 4. The ability to change/select FPS in continuos shooting 5. In camera RAW file noise reduction 6. The ability to frame grab an 8k still while simultaneously recording video, by pressing the shutter 7. The accelerator chip And there are most likely loads more. These alone are not in my R5, and most likely will never come because of the hardware restrictions, sensor, processor and accelerator chip.
@@DreamReleases Idk. 1, 2, 4, 6, 7 feel incremental. 3 Sounds like marketing nonsense. It would have to be a 100% motion-free subject, and even then who prints 48x72" or larger where this would be an issue? 5 doesn't seem like it would do anything different than regular software
@@DreamReleases Die Argumente weißen eindeutig darauf hin, daß man verzweifelt nach Gründen sucht die ein Upgrade als nicht notwendig erscheinen lassen. Am Ende ist es eine surreale Entscheidung! Nice to have but not must have... Gruß aus Bavaria Deutschland
I'm in the same boat as you. I had considered upgrading, but I'm a hobbyist and the incremental upgrade just isn't worth the price at this time. I sometimes shoot events and other things where I like to have two identical bodies with different lenses. I had two 5DMk4 bodies until I went mirrorless. I think as the "R5 Classic" comes down in price I'll pick up a second body and wait it out until the R5 Mk3 is released in what, 2028 or 2029?
Since I made this video, my R5 started missing focus and I became really curious about the R5II. I ended up purchasing one. I really haven’t had the chance to use it for anything other than volleyball and homecoming pictures, but I’ve been impressed. The focusing system is way different. I need some time to really figure it out…hopefully soon.
I agree with you. For a non-professional, meaning a person who does not make a living from their gear, it does not make sense to upgrade. The R5 is a great camera and will be for a long time to come. I think the percentage of photographers actually making a living in photography has to be 1% or less is my guess.
I agree with you 100% that the price to upgrade from the R5 mark I to the R5 mark II is significant. However, my situation is different. I shoot for fun and I’m upgrading from a 14 year old Canon 5D mark II. I was going to get the original R5 but when I saw the significant improvements on the Mark II, especially the auto focus, I want the mark II. Also I don’t do much video, so for me the difference to get the mark II is about $1600 - camera plus new extra batteries plus an RF to EF lens adapter. Yes, that’s still a lot of extra money, but I’m old and this will be the last camera I ever purchase. So this future proofs it for me. If I already owned an R5 and mainly shot stills I don’t think I would upgrade.
Makes total sense! I’m actually highly considering pulling the trigger on the Mark II. I feel like my R5 I is wearing down. Seems to be missing focus that it used to nail. I was thinking of getting another Mark I, but might just go big! 😁
Hi Matthew, I had the same plan for today and took the same course of action when I saw all the details. You have some good points here, and its important for people to realize the true cost of getting this camera with the new battery, grip, and likely expensive cards needed to upgrade. I was probably chomping at the bit to get the r5 mark II even more since my current setup is R7 and 5d Mark IV so this would become the full frame. My problem with Canon's current lens/ camera combo is that to get to at least 600mm without having a really slow F stop would cost a fortune. That 200 -800 just seems to slow at F9 at the top end of the focal distance. I shoot too many small birds in low light. So I will give things more thought now. Might even be a good time to snap up a deal on the original R5. Also, the Nikon Z8 is now $3500 new and the 180-600 at f 6.3 and $1700 as a set up and sell all the canon gear becomes quite tempting...
The more that I think about it, the more frustrated I get that Canon is making us purchase an attachment and newer batteries to solve their heat issue. The cost of the body would be fine if the accessories weren't an absolute necessity. I have too much invested in Canon gear to make a switch and the other manufacturers certainly have misses as well. Nikon only recently caught up to everyone else. I love the original R5 and will continue to shoot with it for now. Maybe you could pick one up at a great price now?
No more cards than you're gonna need at the moment. Nobody who already has an R5 and shoots video needs to go out and purchase new cards unless they are not doing their research properly. The manual hasn't even been released yet. Are you doing paid gigs? If you are not using a 600m daily or regulary, it's huge, you can rent any lens you need. In this day and age there is absolutely no need to purchase high end photo gear unless you live in some remote region. Heck one can rent and order long lenses delivered to the heart of the Amazon
Thank you. I did put in my pre-order, as just a stills shooter, but I knew from the supplier I bought from it gave mew a few weeks to think it through and cancel if I needed to. My plan was to get it and let my R5 become my backup RF body. I don’t need the grip with a fan since I’m not planning on doing video but I probably would buy the grip eventually like I’ve had on all my previous DSLR, Film, and Mirrorless bodies but admit I’m going to have a to take a much deeper look at which features require the new P version of the battery since I already own at least half a dozen H batteries. We need a list of features vs. battery type. I do have other stacked 50 Mpixel bodies so maybe I should wait as well. Take care.
I was planning to use my R5 as my backup as well. I’ve actually had the camera overheat just shooting stills in electronic shutter mode, so the cooling grip and new batteries would be a necessity. I’m pretty sure that precapture is going to require the new batteries.
Your thoughts mirror mine. I'm a retired pro, used to have several studios, and now instead of people, I chase wildlife, and an occasional sporting event. The R5 has everything I've needed, the improvements on the R5II, unless the tracking turns out to be massively better, just don't seem worth the money.
Passionate hobby shooter here. Upgraded from R6 to R5 over a year ago with a great discount and cashback. Could use R6 grip and batteries, a no brainer. So will use my R5 mk I until mk III drops I suppose. Here in Sweden a R5 mk II body is USD 5,700
I absolutely love my R5. The R5 II looks like an amazing camera, but if you just got the R5 I and you’re happy, there’s no reason to chase gear. Use the money to go on a trip to use your camera!
That's easy... the R6mk2 has less megapixel sensor and I believe tops out at 4K60P(?). I'm not sure about the R6mk2 internals for heat mitigation compared to the OG R6.
From all reviews the cooling is improved without even using the battery grip with a fan, so you may be assuming you need something you really don't need.
Perhaps. I just know that I’ve dealt with lots of overheating issues with the mark I. It seems lots of people are buying the cooling grip…it’s already back ordered!
@@matthewgehly I think people who plan to do long-form video need a grip anyway to have two batteries because the battery life remains not great with high end video modes. So they get the ventilated one. But for short form video that may not be needed. But I am no expert on this so I just point it out. Time will tell. Cheers
Good and unbiased video instead of the paid cheerleading on other channels ;-) - thank you ! The upgrade price is the real stopper for me. If you don't earn your living with photography and need to trade in or sell your trusty R5 + BG R-10 R5 + one additional battery on the used market to mitigate the costs, you currently have to add € 3000 for the corresponding set of the R5II - here in Europe, at least. That's out of proportion. IMO., given that the gain of the R5 II compared to the already excellent R5 seems to be relatively small for nature and wildlife shooters like me - and the R5 has never let me down. The R5 II has inherited some sports-oriented features from the R1 such as ball sports and registration of persons/faces that are useless for nature photographers. Generally it seems that sports and event photographers are the main audience for Canon nowadays. For that clientel the R5 II may offer some more benefits over the R5 - if they can/want to pay the price.
I appreciate your insight! It's definitely a tough decision for many photographers, especially when it comes to balancing features and price. Like you, I love my R5 and I'm happy to continue to shoot with it. I really do like a lot of the features of the Mark II and I'll most likely grab one when the price comes down. I use an R7 as a backup. I'm kind of thinking of getting rid of it and getting a second R5 Mark I. I've always preferred the R5 over the R7 and my R5 (I got one from the very first shipment) is starting to show some signs of wear and tear. :)
@@matthewgehly Thank you, Matthew ! I doubt that the price of the R5 II will come down in the foreseeable future while the value of the R5 might decrease further in the next months. Many people are already looking for a bargain here. So I tend to keep my R5 or hold off for now, at least. I'd also appreciate some of the new features of the R5 II. But the huge difference in price which you cannot proportionally mitigate anymore by selling the R5 doesn't justify the switch for me - at least not now. Keeping the R5 instead of dumping it for a bargain and adding the R5 II might even be a better decision if you can afford it. But I have the R3 and R7, too. So an additional body doesn't make sense for me. As for the R7, that I had bought last year prior to my second trip to Tanzania, I found the 33MP crop sensor in combination with the 100-500 a very flexible and good set up for birds while I had used the R5 and R3 with the heavier 600mm/200-400mm for other animals. Of course, the R7 isn't quite in the same league for AF but I had no major issues. Rolling shutter wasn't a big problem because I had used EFCS most of the time. Cheers Wolfgang
I am a stills shooter. So until I see how the dynamic range and noise performance between the R5 II and R5 compares, I will wait. I also shoot nightscape, so having some lighted buttons would have been nice too, but apparently that rumor did not happen.
You did a lot more digging into it then I did, since I never expected to order one. It will be interesting to see how they expand the feature set through firmware updates and if the price comes down a bit after a few months.
Sticking with my 2 R5s and waiting it out. I’ve never experienced problems shooting at high shutter speeds and have never overheated. I guess I’m a little underwhelmed by the new specs😮
In Australia the R5II + cooling grip + 3 batteries = $7865. And it's 4k60 is line skipped! My R5C does downsampled 4k60 and never ever overheats. Even with the cooling grip it will overheat, and rather quick if you're shooting 8k60. This is more of a photo first stills hybrid, not a pro video camera. And it's damn expensive considering you can pickup a used R5C for around $3k or less now. I was thinking of getting this camera before release, but there's no way now.
I personally don’t think for photographers it is as nearly a compelling upgrade as for hybrid shooters. Since you’re paying a premium for half the features you actually use
I wish I could put my hands on the R5 mk ii. But the price tag is HUGE! I'm still paying for the old R5... I really need the video switch and better electric shutter, but it will remain as a dream....
Yep! I really wanted the improved autofocus too, but the price is just a bit much...especially when you consider that the cooling fan attachment is really a necessity. The more I think about it, the more frustrated I am that Canon didn't build something into the camera to solve this problem and is making me pay extra. Does Nikon or Sony do that?
@matthewgehly I'm glad that I'm not the only one. Never had Nikon or Sony, I thought about Sony but the price again.. And based on the videos on TH-cam, they not so good for sport photography, (in my case it's Aviation & Navy).
Rent one! Cameras can be rented pretty reasonable nowadays and at your doorstep in 3 days. At least in the USA. Nobody needs to purchase a high end camera unless they absolutely need one on a daily working basis.
@@matthewgehly So who told you that the cooling fan atttachment is a necessity? Nobody has even had the cameras more than a day or so. And there is no manual that I can find. They did build whatever exist in todays world into the camera. 8k 60p is gonna cause heat. Even in a desktop computer with huge fans, giant heat sinks, and water cooling. And who ever uses the R5 mk II to shoot 8k 60p RAW and has a desktop to edit that video should invest in the cooling grip. That's a no brainer. Or less dont't shoot 8k60
TBH, it's a rather abysmal upgrade, I am sticking with my R5 or "upgrading" to Nikon Z6 M3, fir $2500. Canon could have fixed lots of things but I guess their greed kept them from.
You can only buy on or about 8/20. So, I dropped my preorders for all the items you mentioned. I will have until 8/19 or so to decide if I want to get the camera. After waiting nearly 7 months for the 200-800 to arrive, no way am I pulling back a pre-order to wait. if you remember last time in 2020, nearly everything we needed to know about the R5 was revealed before it shipped. We all knew about the overheating. Of course, the reports of overheating didn’t bother me at all because I was planning to only take short videos, nothing long form. Many others iqnored the info that was posted and kept the pre-orders and got burned. I think the fault was there on that, though I don’t like seeing people not get what they paid for.
Even though I’ve dealt with overheating, the R5 is an unbelievable camera. Never regretted my purchase. I’m just disappointed that after 4 years, the updated version doesn’t provide much excitement.
I’m very excited!!! Improved AF and very little rolling shutter and some other things. This makes a big difference for what I do. Sorry, you are not getting what you need. I didn’t like buying 3 new batts either, but I’m doing it. Best
Thinking about switching from Canon to Nikon. BTW - I have always been a Canon customer since I started in photography. The Z8 although older is in line with the Canon R5 Mkii. No or minimum rolling shutter. Canon is pricing themselves out of the market. Small improvements and larger price increases. Maybe the photographers with GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) are emptying their pockets and getting sucked into the constant upgrade cycle, however, camera companies are not thinking of the "real economy" or their loyal customers, just big profits. JMHO!
I love the R5 and all of my Canon gear and don’t plan to switch to a new system with new menus and buttons. Haha! But I do think this release caused me to step back and have my own GAS intervention. 👍
I like everything on the R5MKII except the price and the overheating in 8K-RAW 60fps. I like 8K-RAW 60fps (what is the main shooting mode with my R5C, I dont shoot a lot so there is no problem with the big files). What I miss in my R5C is no Animal-AF in the video mode, no IBIS, no CLOG-2. I will get all this with the R5MKII, but because the just 18Min shooting in 8K-RAW 60fps, makes me to maybe quit my preorder. Shooting birds and then knowing that after 18min maybe I'll have to lower the video quality is not what I want. I'll wait for some overheating reviews in the next weeks, and then I'll decide if I will quit my preorder. The delyvery day from my order should be 30 august, so there is still time to quit the order.
@@Donx2Pac agree, but an r5 mk2 with a telephoto would still perform far worse than much cheaper dedicated astro gear for astrophotography. If you want primarily astrophotography, you can get a dedicated cooled, ir sensitive camera for 1/4th the price of r5 mk2 with plenty of budget left for a decent wildlife/4k body.
Well I came over to watch a video on how you like the Mii bc I got so tired of waiting for the 200-800 that when it finally became available I cancelled it bc I was considering upgrading to Mii, but you have so many valid points! I’m afraid the 200-800 is just going to be too heavy for me and since I have the 1.4x with my 100-500, it’s just not exciting me to get the 200-800. Now I guess I will save my money for whatever the next great new RF zoom comes out…that won’t break the bank or weigh me down! 😂😂😂
Haha! I ended up getting the R5 II. I haven’t had the chance to use it much, but hoping to give it a workout during the whitetail rut. The focus system functions very differently than the Mark I.
I am somewhat disappointed after listening to your video and will not purcchase the camera. I was hoping for more megapixels and more light sensitivity.
Well, the Mk2 has some nice new gimmicks but for the high price I was expecting more. And as you said… I‘m also not willing to upgrade batteries and battery-grip. The R5 grip fits also on my R6 Mk2. Finally I am not upgrading for sure.
On the official Canon page I asked them what’s the actual “usable” stops of dynamic range and they said to contact their support team and have me a phone number. lol. No camera has 16 and the R5i only had 10.8. So they can’t be trusted and it still overheats.
I upgraded from my R5 two years ago > to the R7 :) lol Great decision ! Never looked back :) For all its weaknesses, and their are many, the R7 is absolutely a better choice for my shooting needs (reach). I was hoping that the R5 Mk II would have a much faster readout speed though, as this is the kind of thing I'd like to see roll down to the R7 Mk II. So at least that factor is not looking good. But I guess if the other 13 weaknesses of the R7 are improved, it might still be worth it :) I love / hate my darn R7's :) lol Oh but hey, one thing about the original R5 that killed me, and I'm assuming it's been fixed (although I haven't heard it mentioned) was that it had no option to add sound to the Electronic Shutter mode ! Which for me, was such a deal breaker, that I ended up having to shoot in "loud, slapping, Mechanical Shutter mode", the entire time I owned it. That was lame. At the time, I would have paid an extra $400 just for that one feature ! Instead I got it in my R7's for no extra charge :)
Haha! Honestly, I’ve really grown to like the silent shutter. I like to take a ton of shots and being in electronic mode doesn’t bother other people or the critters that I’m around.
On Dan Watson’s page the R5ii overheated in 4k60 faster than the regular R5… that’s troubling. On Josh Sattin’s page he said the 4k60 is line skipped… that’s troubling.
Screw the global shutter. 50 year old recyled Kodak technology from days when readout speed was like a turtle. With a 2ms readout time or less a global shutter is pretty much irrelevant with still photography and 2 stops of dynmamic range loss is rediculous. Personally in my opinion it's a total waste of resources.
Good point Matt. I’m on the fence too. R5 is still amazing camera, the overheating itself is worth the upgrade but we need to see real world testing. I was photographing hummingbird on Sunday, my R5 was under the sun for a little while and the overheating warning came up and wouldn’t record slowmo.
I was in the exact same situation with hummingbirds a week ago. The more that I think about it, the more frustrated I get that Canon is making us purchase an attachment and newer batteries to solve their heat issue. The cost of the body would be fine if the accessories weren't a necessity.
@@matthewgehly Every hybrid stills camera that shoots over 15 min of 4k60 overheats. Sony, Nikon, Panasonic, Fujifilm. All of them. And the ones that do not show an overheat warning simply allow you to bypass with AUTO TEMP = HIGH. But rest assure that switch position is saved in flash memory and will most likely void the waranty is the main board is roasted.
As one of the seemingly few that still use a 7Dii (😂) ... I will go for the R5ii rather than R5, even though the price might differ. By the way, the R1 is out of question due to the to me rediculous idea of keeping it to 24 mp. But that was not the issue of this video 😉
Moving from the 7D II to the R5 II will be like trading in your skateboard for a new car. Haha! The lower megapixels of the R1 make since for its purpose since the camera will be much faster, but I'm not sure that 24mp should be the size of Canon's "flagship" camera.
The basic CMOS sensor has run it's time. Its hardware advancements and usefulness has plateaud. High end smartphones have graduated from the basic CMOS over a decade ago using Sensor on Chip technology to conserve space and speed up processing. About time Canon has released their stacked sensors. They've milked those old archaic standard CMOS sensors long enough.
I don't think it was worth getting a Canon R5, let alone the new R5 Mk II if you are a hobbyist photographer... or even any full-frame mirrorless camera, to be honest! Of course, everyone is free to do whatever they want. I just think people's expectations for certain cameras are mostly unrealistic.
@@matthewgehly … yes, I did say that… that is my personal opinion. What I also said is that we’re free to do whatever we want. Now, what I think when you said a hobbyist spending money to get good gear you’re implying that you have to spend MORE MONEY for good gear? If so, that’s a very elementary response. You can get very good hybrid mirrorless cameras for both photography and videography for less than $4k… and in some cases those cameras can perform just as good, if not better than some of these higher end mirrorless cameras. What I find when I read through comment sections is that people’s expectations are very unrealistic. Everyone wants their “cake and eat it too” when it comes to cameras. No matter where you look there’s going to be trade offs…
Honestly, I think this is premature. We won't really know for certain if it's worth it until we've got people comparing the two, side-by-side, in field conditions. Just analyzing the specs is not really an accurate depiction of the differences. Me, I still have a 7D II, and I'm waiting for the dust to settle before upgrading to one of these two bodies.
I agree. That's why I mentioned that I'm not saying that I won't purchase in the future. It's just not a day one purchase for me the way that I intended it to be. I am pretty frustrated though that Canon is making us purchase an attachment and newer batteries to solve the heat issue. The cost of the body would be fine if the accessories weren't a necessity.
And you seriously made your purchasing decision on a few people who only had preproduction firmware in these units and device for a few hours? They admitted themselves that they did not have these cameras for over a day. How on earth without ever reading a manual and watching people who have only partially used these devices can you make a very good intelligent purchasing decision?
I was l looking forward to what the R5 mark ii and the R1 offered and honestly, a little disappointed in both options. The R1 feels like it missed the mark and that Sony and Nikon are still going to be outperforming the FLAGSHIP Canon. And the R5 mark ii upgrades just don't feel like enough to spend that kind of money. I'll be sticking to my R5 until it dies.
Yes, I nearly died when I saw the price. I have a canon EOS-R and 12 months ago I was ready to upgrade but heard about the mark ii so waited until the release of the R5 mark ii to see what price it was. It's a no from me straight away. I can get a new R5 mark 1 for $4100 so I think I will just order that one and save that extra money towards better glass.
Soon a Fanatic Canon Fanboy will come to tell you that this camera IS NOT for HOBBIEST... Believe me, this happening and I witness in one Facebook post today.
Canon always charges extra and extra for some not exciting and unreal features.. Let's wait until real products get tested more by professionals thoroughly for what Canon claimed to be..
I understand your decision but I went the direction. Maybe I will change my mind later but only time will tell. I know for many photographers that "global" shutter in the Holy Grail but I can't help but think back to my college days when we learned that parallel would always be faster than serial and would never be replaced by serial. We all know how that turned out. Parallel doesn't scale well and serial, USB, became fast enough that parallel wasn't worth the extra circuitry, cost, airflow issues, etc... (the cables were wide and restricted airflow). For a 45MP sensor you can have 13,656 gates to read the pixels or 45,000,000 gates to read the sensor. The affordable option that can easily be designed for is to improve the read speeds to the point that rolling shutter isn't an issue. I could be wrong about where this is going but the number of gates needed and increased circuitry, heat, and power usage are just plain reality. I am buying one extra battery since the features that require the new battery aren't functions I think I will use often. I will still carry 2 of the older batteries when I go out. I did also pre-order the standard grip but that is just to fit my hand better. I don't need to buy a new CF Express B card since I have 2 already and will be selling my current R5. I live in the Pacific Northwest and have never had my R5 overheat so I am not concerned about the MKII overheating. For me, as a hobbyist it certainly isn't needed but it will make me happy and I can afford it.
Your understanding of the technical requirements greatly exceeds mine! I appreciate hearing that you feel that the stacked sensor is a good solution for rolling shutter. I'll look forward to hearing what you think once you have the camera in your hands. I was planning to keep my R5 and use it as a second camera. My current second camera is the R7. I was going to sell it, but when you see what retailers are offering for a used R7, I'd much rather keep it and continue to use it for TH-cam videos or give it to my son. :)
r5 II body only pre order price in Finland is 5100€ I think that is super expensive, and I have no interest in upgrading. Bought a new R5 body in Spring for 3500€. I am super happy with my purchase.
@@matthewgehly Here in Switzerland they cost 2550 bucks now. Still pricey for marginal gains. I looked at some tests and they struggled to find image quality differences.
But I don't own an R5, and why does your opinion matter? You're just another TH-camr who doesn't want to buy this model camera and another Joe who creates noise in the algorithm.
look you have a power house and that can last years... fro what is capable.. so it's a 1000 per year investemenrts.. you are wrong and just trying to catch viuwers.. but your talk is trashy
Like you, I was looking forward to upgrading my R5 to R5ii. But after finally learning the details on the improvements, and as a hobbyist wildlife stills shooter, I can't justify the expense. I'll wait for the R7 mark ii - it could be a better fit.
I was on the fence but you had me at the $5k package price. My R5 is still doing the job VERY WELL. I am leaning towards waiting for the real world experiences ( I didn't last time. SMH) or R5 MarkIII. Every other cycle is fine for me.
sounds like I'm in the same boat as you. I really wanted to be more excited for the MKii - the only thing I'd like is the new hotshoe, as I'm getting close to needing to replace my flashes. I really wish they'd release lower price photography-only camera. I've never used the video features
@@joepatbob I forgot about the newer Hot shoe. I am an Event photographer for the most part, so if I buy now, it would be the R6MkII for the low light, and new hot shoe. I mean there's a lot of nice new functions but I'm waiting to see, find, and fix the bugs that may come with them. Hey, if it bullet proof, they will be here for the next 3-5 years. LOL
Im looking forward to the new sensor performance in low light and better dynamic range + faster readout + raw buffer. These 4 things are super important to me but i have great lenses and really dont struggle in low light. I will skip upgrading but i love to see the improvements. R5 mk1 is just so good, got a great deal on it with cashback + holiday discount 2 years ago
Regarding switching video to camera mode. You can set that tiny function button by the shutter release button to do that and it’s actually much more efficient than having to switch where the power switch is on the R5
@@whiterock1865 awesome point thank you.
I'm looking to finally upgrade my 7D Mark II and go mirrorless. I will be using it mostly for travel photography and some wildlife with an eye towards selling the prints.
Which do you think would better suit those needs? The 5 or 5 mark 2. Either would be a massive leap forward, so we aren't talking about incrimental changes. I just want to leap to the best for my needs.
Thoughts?
Truthfully, the R5 is a tremendous camera. I love mine. You should be able to get a great deal on it now…maybe even a used or refurbished version.
Using the R7, sometimes, how does the autofocus compare to the R5 Mk 1 and do you believe that the autofocus for the R5 Mk II is a major upgrade from the R7 in regards to autofocus?
The autofocus on the R7 is good, but the image quality of the R5 combined with its tremendous autofocus make it way, way better. Even though I’ve never used the R5II, I can tell you that it’s focusing and image will be better than the crop sensor R7.
As a Sony user, I upgraded to the A7Rv (from the iv) thinking i needed the "AI" focus improvements. Having used the camera for a few months, the improvements are situational and can sometimes be more of a hassle to work with. It feels more like i'm playing a video game getting the AI to have the boxes on the right people ....and less "photography".
It seems like we might be getting close to a point where camera technology innovation is only going to be incremental for a while. Now it’s time for the artists to use the technology available to innovate their art. 😁
Was ich bei Sony am meisten kritisiere sind die vielen Modellwechsel. Bei A7R sind es bereits fünf und bei der A7 vier Modelle! Wenn man aktuell bleiben will ist man ständig am upgraden und beim Verkauf fällt der Preis stetig mit jedem neuen Modell. Wäre der eine oder andere Modellwechsel nicht mit einer Firmware möglich gewesen? Von Sony habe ich die RX100 Mark VA und VII die hatte sieben Wechsel bis dann abrupt Schluss war. Sonst bin ich mit der Canon R5 unterwegs. Hier hat es fast fünf Jahre gedauert bis zur Mark II... Grüße aus Bavaria!
I am an R5 shooter and I am upgrading to the R5II! I shoot landscapes, motorsports and wildlife. The sensor improvement, readout speeds, focusing improvements, pre-capture, & dynamic range improvements all make this a serious improvement over my R5. Pre-ordered and cant wait to get it in my hands.
I really do think it’s going to be fantastic. I’m just going to wait and get a refurbished copy in a year or so.
Dynamic range improvement? I doubt it.
No DR improvement. Very slight opposite in fact although not noticeable in use.
Good reasons. I think for a lot of people there's not a ton of really big, worthwhile improvements
And for a lot of people there are a lot of reasons.
1. The eye autofocus and registering up to 10 subjects.
2. The 45mp stacked sensor improving performance by at least 20% in all modes.
3. In camera upscaling 45mp to 180mp. That's a game changer for printing.
4. The ability to change/select FPS in continuos shooting
5. In camera RAW file noise reduction
6. The ability to frame grab an 8k still while simultaneously recording video, by pressing the shutter
7. The accelerator chip
And there are most likely loads more. These alone are not in my R5, and most likely will never come because of the hardware restrictions, sensor, processor and accelerator chip.
@@DreamReleases Idk. 1, 2, 4, 6, 7 feel incremental. 3 Sounds like marketing nonsense. It would have to be a 100% motion-free subject, and even then who prints 48x72" or larger where this would be an issue? 5 doesn't seem like it would do anything different than regular software
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Die Argumente weißen eindeutig darauf hin, daß man verzweifelt nach Gründen sucht die ein Upgrade als nicht notwendig erscheinen lassen. Am Ende ist es eine surreale Entscheidung! Nice to have but not must have...
Gruß aus Bavaria Deutschland
I'm in the same boat as you. I had considered upgrading, but I'm a hobbyist and the incremental upgrade just isn't worth the price at this time. I sometimes shoot events and other things where I like to have two identical bodies with different lenses. I had two 5DMk4 bodies until I went mirrorless. I think as the "R5 Classic" comes down in price I'll pick up a second body and wait it out until the R5 Mk3 is released in what, 2028 or 2029?
Since I made this video, my R5 started missing focus and I became really curious about the R5II. I ended up purchasing one. I really haven’t had the chance to use it for anything other than volleyball and homecoming pictures, but I’ve been impressed. The focusing system is way different. I need some time to really figure it out…hopefully soon.
I agree with you. For a non-professional, meaning a person who does not make a living from their gear, it does not make sense to upgrade. The R5 is a great camera and will be for a long time to come. I think the percentage of photographers actually making a living in photography has to be 1% or less is my guess.
totally agree with you, also as a non-professional user I'll stick with the R5
How can you have an opinion about the R5 Mark II if you haven't tried it yet?
This was made prior to its release, based on just the specs and trying to determine if I should upgrade.
I agree with you 100% that the price to upgrade from the R5 mark I to the R5 mark II is significant. However, my situation is different. I shoot for fun and I’m upgrading from a 14 year old Canon 5D mark II. I was going to get the original R5 but when I saw the significant improvements on the Mark II, especially the auto focus, I want the mark II. Also I don’t do much video, so for me the difference to get the mark II is about $1600 - camera plus new extra batteries plus an RF to EF lens adapter. Yes, that’s still a lot of extra money, but I’m old and this will be the last camera I ever purchase. So this future proofs it for me. If I already owned an R5 and mainly shot stills I don’t think I would upgrade.
Makes total sense! I’m actually highly considering pulling the trigger on the Mark II. I feel like my R5 I is wearing down. Seems to be missing focus that it used to nail. I was thinking of getting another Mark I, but might just go big! 😁
Hi Matthew, I had the same plan for today and took the same course of action when I saw all the details. You have some good points here, and its important for people to realize the true cost of getting this camera with the new battery, grip, and likely expensive cards needed to upgrade. I was probably chomping at the bit to get the r5 mark II even more since my current setup is R7 and 5d Mark IV so this would become the full frame. My problem with Canon's current lens/ camera combo is that to get to at least 600mm without having a really slow F stop would cost a fortune. That 200 -800 just seems to slow at F9 at the top end of the focal distance. I shoot too many small birds in low light. So I will give things more thought now. Might even be a good time to snap up a deal on the original R5. Also, the Nikon Z8 is now $3500 new and the 180-600 at f 6.3 and $1700 as a set up and sell all the canon gear becomes quite tempting...
The more that I think about it, the more frustrated I get that Canon is making us purchase an attachment and newer batteries to solve their heat issue. The cost of the body would be fine if the accessories weren't an absolute necessity. I have too much invested in Canon gear to make a switch and the other manufacturers certainly have misses as well. Nikon only recently caught up to everyone else. I love the original R5 and will continue to shoot with it for now. Maybe you could pick one up at a great price now?
No more cards than you're gonna need at the moment. Nobody who already has an R5 and shoots video needs to go out and purchase new cards unless they are not doing their research properly. The manual hasn't even been released yet. Are you doing paid gigs? If you are not using a 600m daily or regulary, it's huge, you can rent any lens you need. In this day and age there is absolutely no need to purchase high end photo gear unless you live in some remote region. Heck one can rent and order long lenses delivered to the heart of the Amazon
@@matthewgehly I am in the same boat, having been a canon shooter since 2010. I will just think things through.
Thank you. I did put in my pre-order, as just a stills shooter, but I knew from the supplier I bought from it gave mew a few weeks to think it through and cancel if I needed to. My plan was to get it and let my R5 become my backup RF body. I don’t need the grip with a fan since I’m not planning on doing video but I probably would buy the grip eventually like I’ve had on all my previous DSLR, Film, and Mirrorless bodies but admit I’m going to have a to take a much deeper look at which features require the new P version of the battery since I already own at least half a dozen H batteries. We need a list of features vs. battery type. I do have other stacked 50 Mpixel bodies so maybe I should wait as well. Take care.
I was planning to use my R5 as my backup as well. I’ve actually had the camera overheat just shooting stills in electronic shutter mode, so the cooling grip and new batteries would be a necessity. I’m pretty sure that precapture is going to require the new batteries.
Your thoughts mirror mine. I'm a retired pro, used to have several studios, and now instead of people, I chase wildlife, and an occasional sporting event. The R5 has everything I've needed, the improvements on the R5II, unless the tracking turns out to be massively better, just don't seem worth the money.
I think that it’s going to be a great camera. I think waiting a year for a refurbished camera might be the way I go.
@@matthewgehly think so too. At least it will be also a bit cheaper after a year
Passionate hobby shooter here. Upgraded from R6 to R5 over a year ago with a great discount and cashback. Could use R6 grip and batteries, a no brainer. So will use my R5 mk I until mk III drops I suppose. Here in Sweden a R5 mk II body is USD 5,700
I absolutely love my R5. The R5 II looks like an amazing camera, but if you just got the R5 I and you’re happy, there’s no reason to chase gear. Use the money to go on a trip to use your camera!
They solved the heat problem in r6 mark 2 an 6 hrs limit recording I wonder why did they didn't get that to the r5 mark 2
Performance remains to be seen. It may be fixed, I’m just not a fan of paying for a grip AND new batteries to solve the issue.
Yes same here add on weight an preowned will be better after sometime
That's easy... the R6mk2 has less megapixel sensor and I believe tops out at 4K60P(?). I'm not sure about the R6mk2 internals for heat mitigation compared to the OG R6.
From all reviews the cooling is improved without even using the battery grip with a fan, so you may be assuming you need something you really don't need.
Perhaps. I just know that I’ve dealt with lots of overheating issues with the mark I. It seems lots of people are buying the cooling grip…it’s already back ordered!
@@matthewgehly I think people who plan to do long-form video need a grip anyway to have two batteries because the battery life remains not great with high end video modes. So they get the ventilated one. But for short form video that may not be needed. But I am no expert on this so I just point it out. Time will tell. Cheers
Good and unbiased video instead of the paid cheerleading on other channels ;-) - thank you ! The upgrade price is the real stopper for me. If you don't earn your living with photography and need to trade in or sell your trusty R5 + BG R-10 R5 + one additional battery on the used market to mitigate the costs, you currently have to add € 3000 for the corresponding set of the R5II - here in Europe, at least. That's out of proportion. IMO., given that the gain of the R5 II compared to the already excellent R5 seems to be relatively small for nature and wildlife shooters like me - and the R5 has never let me down. The R5 II has inherited some sports-oriented features from the R1 such as ball sports and registration of persons/faces that are useless for nature photographers. Generally it seems that sports and event photographers are the main audience for Canon nowadays. For that clientel the R5 II may offer some more benefits over the R5 - if they can/want to pay the price.
I appreciate your insight! It's definitely a tough decision for many photographers, especially when it comes to balancing features and price. Like you, I love my R5 and I'm happy to continue to shoot with it. I really do like a lot of the features of the Mark II and I'll most likely grab one when the price comes down. I use an R7 as a backup. I'm kind of thinking of getting rid of it and getting a second R5 Mark I. I've always preferred the R5 over the R7 and my R5 (I got one from the very first shipment) is starting to show some signs of wear and tear. :)
@@matthewgehly Thank you, Matthew ! I doubt that the price of the R5 II will come down in the foreseeable future while the value of the R5 might decrease further in the next months. Many people are already looking for a bargain here. So I tend to keep my R5 or hold off for now, at least. I'd also appreciate some of the new features of the R5 II. But the huge difference in price which you cannot proportionally mitigate anymore by selling the R5 doesn't justify the switch for me - at least not now. Keeping the R5 instead of dumping it for a bargain and adding the R5 II might even be a better decision if you can afford it. But I have the R3 and R7, too. So an additional body doesn't make sense for me. As for the R7, that I had bought last year prior to my second trip to Tanzania, I found the 33MP crop sensor in combination with the 100-500 a very flexible and good set up for birds while I had used the R5 and R3 with the heavier 600mm/200-400mm for other animals. Of course, the R7 isn't quite in the same league for AF but I had no major issues. Rolling shutter wasn't a big problem because I had used EFCS most of the time. Cheers Wolfgang
I am a stills shooter. So until I see how the dynamic range and noise performance between the R5 II and R5 compares, I will wait. I also shoot nightscape, so having some lighted buttons would have been nice too, but apparently that rumor did not happen.
I remember hearing the illuminated button rumor. Would have been really nice.
You did a lot more digging into it then I did, since I never expected to order one. It will be interesting to see how they expand the feature set through firmware updates and if the price comes down a bit after a few months.
I'm really curious to see how sales of this camera go. If they're no great, we could see less of a gap between the II and III.
Sticking with my 2 R5s and waiting it out. I’ve never experienced problems shooting at high shutter speeds and have never overheated. I guess I’m a little underwhelmed by the new specs😮
I’m hoping a refurbished version is available in a year or so.
You hit what counts. Thank you, so much.
Thanks for watching! 👍
In Australia the R5II + cooling grip + 3 batteries = $7865. And it's 4k60 is line skipped! My R5C does downsampled 4k60 and never ever overheats. Even with the cooling grip it will overheat, and rather quick if you're shooting 8k60.
This is more of a photo first stills hybrid, not a pro video camera. And it's damn expensive considering you can pickup a used R5C for around $3k or less now. I was thinking of getting this camera before release, but there's no way now.
Yikes! Thats a ton of money! 😳
I personally don’t think for photographers it is as nearly a compelling upgrade as for hybrid shooters. Since you’re paying a premium for half the features you actually use
I wish I could put my hands on the R5 mk ii. But the price tag is HUGE! I'm still paying for the old R5... I really need the video switch and better electric shutter, but it will remain as a dream....
Yep! I really wanted the improved autofocus too, but the price is just a bit much...especially when you consider that the cooling fan attachment is really a necessity. The more I think about it, the more frustrated I am that Canon didn't build something into the camera to solve this problem and is making me pay extra. Does Nikon or Sony do that?
@matthewgehly
I'm glad that I'm not the only one.
Never had Nikon or Sony, I thought about Sony but the price again.. And based on the videos on TH-cam, they not so good for sport photography, (in my case it's Aviation & Navy).
Rent one! Cameras can be rented pretty reasonable nowadays and at your doorstep in 3 days. At least in the USA. Nobody needs to purchase a high end camera unless they absolutely need one on a daily working basis.
@@matthewgehly So who told you that the cooling fan atttachment is a necessity? Nobody has even had the cameras more than a day or so. And there is no manual that I can find. They did build whatever exist in todays world into the camera. 8k 60p is gonna cause heat. Even in a desktop computer with huge fans, giant heat sinks, and water cooling. And who ever uses the R5 mk II to shoot 8k 60p RAW and has a desktop to edit that video should invest in the cooling grip. That's a no brainer. Or less dont't shoot 8k60
@DreamReleases
I do need it for daily basis..
TBH, it's a rather abysmal upgrade, I am sticking with my R5 or "upgrading" to Nikon Z6 M3, fir $2500.
Canon could have fixed lots of things but I guess their greed kept them from.
You can only buy on or about 8/20. So, I dropped my preorders for all the items you mentioned. I will have until 8/19 or so to decide if I want to get the camera. After waiting nearly 7 months for the 200-800 to arrive, no way am I pulling back a pre-order to wait. if you remember last time in 2020, nearly everything we needed to know about the R5 was revealed before it shipped. We all knew about the overheating. Of course, the reports of overheating didn’t bother me at all because I was planning to only take short videos, nothing long form. Many others iqnored the info that was posted and kept the pre-orders and got burned. I think the fault was there on that, though I don’t like seeing people not get what they paid for.
Even though I’ve dealt with overheating, the R5 is an unbelievable camera. Never regretted my purchase. I’m just disappointed that after 4 years, the updated version doesn’t provide much excitement.
I’m very excited!!! Improved AF and very little rolling shutter and some other things. This makes a big difference for what I do. Sorry, you are not getting what you need. I didn’t like buying 3 new batts either, but I’m doing it. Best
Thinking about switching from Canon to Nikon. BTW - I have always been a Canon customer since I started in photography. The Z8 although older is in line with the Canon R5 Mkii. No or minimum rolling shutter. Canon is pricing themselves out of the market. Small improvements and larger price increases. Maybe the photographers with GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) are emptying their pockets and getting sucked into the constant upgrade cycle, however, camera companies are not thinking of the "real economy" or their loyal customers, just big profits. JMHO!
I love the R5 and all of my Canon gear and don’t plan to switch to a new system with new menus and buttons. Haha! But I do think this release caused me to step back and have my own GAS intervention. 👍
@@matthewgehly I love my Canon Gear too. Just the prices aren't helping photographers out at all.
I like everything on the R5MKII except the price and the overheating in 8K-RAW 60fps. I like 8K-RAW 60fps (what is the main shooting mode with my R5C, I dont shoot a lot so there is no problem with the big files). What I miss in my R5C is no Animal-AF in the video mode, no IBIS, no CLOG-2. I will get all this with the R5MKII, but because the just 18Min shooting in 8K-RAW 60fps, makes me to maybe quit my preorder. Shooting birds and then knowing that after 18min maybe I'll have to lower the video quality is not what I want. I'll wait for some overheating reviews in the next weeks, and then I'll decide if I will quit my preorder. The delyvery day from my order should be 30 august, so there is still time to quit the order.
I’m with you! It’s not a most buy on day one purchase. I’ll be curious to see how it really performs in the field and make my decision from there.
It was never so easy for me to stick with my R5 MK I for many years to come.
Warten wir ab! Wenn der Preis fällt werden viele schwach werden....
i am thinking to purchase it around september. It will be my first professional camera I wanna see first how it preforms in astrophotography.
You can get a whole rig that would perform much better for astro for the price of this body
@@jangau yeah only such a rig couldn't make 4k 120fps vid and couldn't do wildlife photography nor macro photos.
@@Donx2Pac agree, but an r5 mk2 with a telephoto would still perform far worse than much cheaper dedicated astro gear for astrophotography. If you want primarily astrophotography, you can get a dedicated cooled, ir sensitive camera for 1/4th the price of r5 mk2 with plenty of budget left for a decent wildlife/4k body.
@@jangau I'm thinking about an apochromatic refractor for the r5
Sorry that sounds pretty far-fetched to hope for a tilting viewfinder in an R5, but if you need that, you can find that in the XF 605 Canon camera.
There were rumors that it might include one. It’s coming at some point! 😂
Well I came over to watch a video on how you like the Mii bc I got so tired of waiting for the 200-800 that when it finally became available I cancelled it bc I was considering upgrading to Mii, but you have so many valid points! I’m afraid the 200-800 is just going to be too heavy for me and since I have the 1.4x with my 100-500, it’s just not exciting me to get the 200-800. Now I guess I will save my money for whatever the next great new RF zoom comes out…that won’t break the bank or weigh me down! 😂😂😂
Haha! I ended up getting the R5 II. I haven’t had the chance to use it much, but hoping to give it a workout during the whitetail rut. The focus system functions very differently than the Mark I.
I am somewhat disappointed after listening to your video and will not purcchase the camera. I was hoping for more megapixels and more light sensitivity.
I’ll probably still get one, I’ll just wait a little while for the price to come down.
Well, the Mk2 has some nice new gimmicks but for the high price I was expecting more. And as you said… I‘m also not willing to upgrade batteries and battery-grip. The R5 grip fits also on my R6 Mk2. Finally I am not upgrading for sure.
It will be interesting to see how the new cooling grip performs on the Mark I.
On the official Canon page I asked them what’s the actual “usable” stops of dynamic range and they said to contact their support team and have me a phone number. lol. No camera has 16 and the R5i only had 10.8. So they can’t be trusted and it still overheats.
Taking still simultaneously but only HD is a bummer
Absolutely…and they’re just JPGs. I like the idea, and I hope that they continue to develop this concept into something more useful.
I upgraded from my R5 two years ago > to the R7 :) lol Great decision ! Never looked back :) For all its weaknesses, and their are many, the R7 is absolutely a better choice for my shooting needs (reach).
I was hoping that the R5 Mk II would have a much faster readout speed though, as this is the kind of thing I'd like to see roll down to the R7 Mk II. So at least that factor is not looking good. But I guess if the other 13 weaknesses of the R7 are improved, it might still be worth it :) I love / hate my darn R7's :) lol
Oh but hey, one thing about the original R5 that killed me, and I'm assuming it's been fixed (although I haven't heard it mentioned) was that it had no option to add sound to the Electronic Shutter mode ! Which for me, was such a deal breaker, that I ended up having to shoot in "loud, slapping, Mechanical Shutter mode", the entire time I owned it. That was lame. At the time, I would have paid an extra $400 just for that one feature ! Instead I got it in my R7's for no extra charge :)
Haha! Honestly, I’ve really grown to like the silent shutter. I like to take a ton of shots and being in electronic mode doesn’t bother other people or the critters that I’m around.
On Dan Watson’s page the R5ii overheated in 4k60 faster than the regular R5… that’s troubling. On Josh Sattin’s page he said the 4k60 is line skipped… that’s troubling.
Yikes! That's not good. I really wanted to LOVE this release, but I'm becoming more and more happy with my decision to wait and see and save my money.
Screw the global shutter. 50 year old recyled Kodak technology from days when readout speed was like a turtle. With a 2ms readout time or less a global shutter is pretty much irrelevant with still photography and 2 stops of dynmamic range loss is rediculous. Personally in my opinion it's a total waste of resources.
I am happy with my R5 and the Z9. The R5MII and the R1 haven’t impressed me at all.
Good point Matt. I’m on the fence too. R5 is still amazing camera, the overheating itself is worth the upgrade but we need to see real world testing. I was photographing hummingbird on Sunday, my R5 was under the sun for a little while and the overheating warning came up and wouldn’t record slowmo.
I was in the exact same situation with hummingbirds a week ago. The more that I think about it, the more frustrated I get that Canon is making us purchase an attachment and newer batteries to solve their heat issue. The cost of the body would be fine if the accessories weren't a necessity.
@@matthewgehly Every hybrid stills camera that shoots over 15 min of 4k60 overheats. Sony, Nikon, Panasonic, Fujifilm. All of them. And the ones that do not show an overheat warning simply allow you to bypass with AUTO TEMP = HIGH. But rest assure that switch position is saved in flash memory and will most likely void the waranty is the main board is roasted.
@@matthewgehly That shit is still overheat, lol
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As one of the seemingly few that still use a 7Dii (😂) ... I will go for the R5ii rather than R5, even though the price might differ. By the way, the R1 is out of question due to the to me rediculous idea of keeping it to 24 mp. But that was not the issue of this video 😉
Moving from the 7D II to the R5 II will be like trading in your skateboard for a new car. Haha! The lower megapixels of the R1 make since for its purpose since the camera will be much faster, but I'm not sure that 24mp should be the size of Canon's "flagship" camera.
I won’t upgrade because I use my R5 primarily for landscapes and wildlife. I use my R6 Mark 2 for sports and action.
I think the R52 is fantastic for wildlife, just don’t see enough improvements to upgrade right now.
I agree with you; am not going willing to purchase it at this point. I can live with the older R5 for longer. Or even the R6.
A refurbished R5II a year from now seems like a good way to go about it. :)
The basic CMOS sensor has run it's time. Its hardware advancements and usefulness has plateaud. High end smartphones have graduated from the basic CMOS over a decade ago using Sensor on Chip technology to conserve space and speed up processing. About time Canon has released their stacked sensors. They've milked those old archaic standard CMOS sensors long enough.
I don't think it was worth getting a Canon R5, let alone the new R5 Mk II if you are a hobbyist photographer... or even any full-frame mirrorless camera, to be honest! Of course, everyone is free to do whatever they want. I just think people's expectations for certain cameras are mostly unrealistic.
So hobbyists should spend money on their hobby?
@@matthewgehly … I’m not sure I understand your question. Can you please elaborate?
You said the camera isn't worth getting if you're a hobbyist. So are you saying that hobbyists shouldn't spend money to have good gear?
@@matthewgehly … yes, I did say that… that is my personal opinion. What I also said is that we’re free to do whatever we want. Now, what I think when you said a hobbyist spending money to get good gear you’re implying that you have to spend MORE MONEY for good gear? If so, that’s a very elementary response.
You can get very good hybrid mirrorless cameras for both photography and videography for less than $4k… and in some cases those cameras can perform just as good, if not better than some of these higher end mirrorless cameras.
What I find when I read through comment sections is that people’s expectations are very unrealistic. Everyone wants their “cake and eat it too” when it comes to cameras. No matter where you look there’s going to be trade offs…
Honestly, I think this is premature. We won't really know for certain if it's worth it until we've got people comparing the two, side-by-side, in field conditions. Just analyzing the specs is not really an accurate depiction of the differences.
Me, I still have a 7D II, and I'm waiting for the dust to settle before upgrading to one of these two bodies.
I agree. That's why I mentioned that I'm not saying that I won't purchase in the future. It's just not a day one purchase for me the way that I intended it to be. I am pretty frustrated though that Canon is making us purchase an attachment and newer batteries to solve the heat issue. The cost of the body would be fine if the accessories weren't a necessity.
You might as well just save a little bit more money and get the C400 at that price!!
I’m going to rent one before purchasing.
Not a bad idea!
And you seriously made your purchasing decision on a few people who only had preproduction firmware in these units and device for a few hours? They admitted themselves that they did not have these cameras for over a day. How on earth without ever reading a manual and watching people who have only partially used these devices can you make a very good intelligent purchasing decision?
I was l looking forward to what the R5 mark ii and the R1 offered and honestly, a little disappointed in both options. The R1 feels like it missed the mark and that Sony and Nikon are still going to be outperforming the FLAGSHIP Canon. And the R5 mark ii upgrades just don't feel like enough to spend that kind of money. I'll be sticking to my R5 until it dies.
$6500 just for the body here in Australia 😢
What's the going rate for a kidney?
Yes, I nearly died when I saw the price. I have a canon EOS-R and 12 months ago I was ready to upgrade but heard about the mark ii so waited until the release of the R5 mark ii to see what price it was. It's a no from me straight away. I can get a new R5 mark 1 for $4100 so I think I will just order that one and save that extra money towards better glass.
Tbh as a R5 owner and seeing the future for canon I am honestly close to hoping ship to Nikon. Since I do a ton of wildlife they are killing it.
Waiting ✋️ 1 year price drop mint time I use 5rc ❤
Not a bad strategy!
You make great points.
Thanks Terry! I appreciate you watching the video. :)
Nope. Not interested in the M2... let's see Sony's answer...
Sony is overrated
@@shade599 Maybe, but at least they work with third party lens manufacturers to allow a greater range of choice and budgets.
Soon a Fanatic Canon Fanboy will come to tell you that this camera IS NOT for HOBBIEST... Believe me, this happening and I witness in one Facebook post today.
I'd get a used R5 and good glass rather than paying $4400 for a marginally better camera.
That might be the best option. 👍
Canon always charges extra and extra for some not exciting and unreal features.. Let's wait until real products get tested more by professionals thoroughly for what Canon claimed to be..
I understand your decision but I went the direction. Maybe I will change my mind later but only time will tell.
I know for many photographers that "global" shutter in the Holy Grail but I can't help but think back to my college days when we learned that parallel would always be faster than serial and would never be replaced by serial. We all know how that turned out. Parallel doesn't scale well and serial, USB, became fast enough that parallel wasn't worth the extra circuitry, cost, airflow issues, etc... (the cables were wide and restricted airflow). For a 45MP sensor you can have 13,656 gates to read the pixels or 45,000,000 gates to read the sensor. The affordable option that can easily be designed for is to improve the read speeds to the point that rolling shutter isn't an issue. I could be wrong about where this is going but the number of gates needed and increased circuitry, heat, and power usage are just plain reality.
I am buying one extra battery since the features that require the new battery aren't functions I think I will use often. I will still carry 2 of the older batteries when I go out. I did also pre-order the standard grip but that is just to fit my hand better. I don't need to buy a new CF Express B card since I have 2 already and will be selling my current R5. I live in the Pacific Northwest and have never had my R5 overheat so I am not concerned about the MKII overheating.
For me, as a hobbyist it certainly isn't needed but it will make me happy and I can afford it.
Your understanding of the technical requirements greatly exceeds mine! I appreciate hearing that you feel that the stacked sensor is a good solution for rolling shutter. I'll look forward to hearing what you think once you have the camera in your hands. I was planning to keep my R5 and use it as a second camera. My current second camera is the R7. I was going to sell it, but when you see what retailers are offering for a used R7, I'd much rather keep it and continue to use it for TH-cam videos or give it to my son. :)
UK price in dollars is $5885.
If you buy it I foresee a lot of peanut butter and jelly dinners in your future! Haha!
r5 II body only pre order price in Finland is 5100€ I think that is super expensive, and I have no interest in upgrading. Bought a new R5 body in Spring for 3500€. I am super happy with my purchase.
Let's be honest, who needs 8K or even 4K?
I pretty much always shoot in 4K. Even if you decide to in a smaller format, you have the ability to zoom and crop.
Underwhelming and overly expensive offering. Hard pass for me
Don't bother people who is getting this gear make money with it......
I make money with my gear, but I’m holding off for the time being.
@@matthewgehly don't worry
Hmm quite disappointing. I’ll stick with my 5D Mark IV for a while.
Look into getting an R5 at a discounted price now that the Mark II is out. Mirrorless is really amazing!
@@matthewgehly Here in Switzerland they cost 2550 bucks now. Still pricey for marginal gains. I looked at some tests and they struggled to find image quality differences.
R3 IS ONLY FOR 4000.....😂😂😂
But I don't own an R5, and why does your opinion matter? You're just another TH-camr who doesn't want to buy this model camera and another Joe who creates noise in the algorithm.
Thanks for watching! 😂
look you have a power house and that can last years... fro what is capable.. so it's a 1000 per year investemenrts.. you are wrong and just trying to catch viuwers.. but your talk is trashy
Your video is overexposed.