An Out of Spec EV build/conversion channel, would be amazing. My preference is truck conversions, but as long as the channel gets into geeky details. Any type of EV build would be fascinating. Good luck getting it started.
I didn't see many late model conversions. Would like to see how they can convert 2010 and newer with the integrated screens, body control modules and other related items. They can start with my 2019 RAM... Ha!
This is great to see. Many people like me have always loved their classic cars, but would really like to see an easily adaptable kit to update the drivetrain to EV power. Thanks!
An Out Of Spec EV Conversion channel would be fantastic. I have been following the DIY and Kit space for at least 5 years. I love the direction of standardized training, equipment, etc. I would love to see a channel that explained conversions to different levels of desire: From 1973 Fiat Spider, retain manual and classic simplicity, 1996 Ford Ranger 4x4 with aftermarket recent infotainment system to a 2020 Jeep Gladiator with current EV infotainment and features. Add to this how to aftermarket upgrade an early Kia Soul EV to current batteries, 400V system, and current infotainment features. Old EVs made newer, recycling what gets replaced.
I work for a company in the UK called Lunaz restoring and converting everything from Bentleys to bin lorries 👍 Nice to see some coverage of what we and others do.
Kyle, great teaming up with Jerome Andre. This destined to become a "Classic Out-of-Spec" episode that many will look back on. The conversation between the two of you really provided great insight to the state of the custom/conversion industry. So much has changed over the last 3-5 years. Amazing to see this part of the automotive industry becoming mainstream on EV tech and performance.
How do the conversion “kits” (not “skateboard” platforms) compare to the replaced ICE components? I understand it varies by car/engine, but roughly how much is the weight? I’m curious about changes in weight distribution.
Weight distribution can be balance almost at will by using two packs (one front one back). Budget wise a ful EV conversion is probably 50 to 100% more costly than a few ice drivetrain (for now) but you get more performance.
Do you want the truth or to feel good? I’m a 70 year old gear head who’s been restoring vintage sports cars since I was a teen. I loved them more than anything in the world (except maybe vintage motorcycles). After 4 years of driving a Tesla Model 3 I honestly have lost all interest in classic vehicles. The Tesla is just too good and there’s simply no way you can bring a classic up anywhere near a Tesla. I wouldn’t have thought so...I don’t expect you to believe me. But wait until you spend a couple years with a Tesla Model 3 or Y. Sadly I think this market niche will be as extinct as VW/kit cars were after the 70’s. But maybe I’m wrong...
People will always want to show their individuality and be willing to be a little less comfortable for it. You just don't care what other people think anymore 😂
I have to agree. I love old cars but the reason they are trendy is because 1: Recession is here & people are trying to keep their old faithful mules running as long as they can. 2: Some shady businesses are feeding speculation with flipping & conversion. Today the Tesla 1st generations are starting to arrive on the used market for less than 20 K $. There's just no turning back especially when safety is considered. Old cars are genuine ⚰️ on wheels compared to the best modern cars.
Kyle, thank you so much for the segment it is so interesting and helpful for many of us who are interested in moving in this direction to have our old cars converted or to become trained in doing so ourselves.❤❤❤
Absolutely need a EV conversions channel from OOS. Electric Classic Cars is awesome to see what they're doing and would love to see how more state side conversions are happening with older US makes and models
I'd like to see an EV conversion kit that takes up the space of one or more of the legacy ICE packages like small block Chevy and TurboHydro TH400 transmission or Ford small block and their most popular transmission back in the day. This would be great because there were MILLIONS of cars made with these combinations of engines and transmission. The EV kit would fill the engine compartment with the electric motor as well as all of the electronics and the one-gear gearbox needed and about half of the battery pack. The other half of the battery pack could go where the fuel tank used to go and/or in the bottom layer of the trunk. There are lots of these old ICE/Tranny combos that existed over the years in the US and all over the world. Ideally the kit would be something that is bolt-in complete and doable by anyone who is mechanically inclined but not necessarily electronically inclined.
The electric motors are so small they can fit where the transmission was. Under hood space would be used up by controllers, chargers and some batteries. Remainder of the battery can go to the rear of the car.
@@joeclutchless1944Yep. There are several places that the batteries could go, including the trunk, where the fuel tank was, under the rear seat and possibly in the engine compartment. For best weight distribution they could be spread in more than one area. What's also cool about this idea is that you could conceivably start with a small battery for a modest range and then add more later when you have the time and/or money.
Yes, please cover more conversion stuff. Also interested in seeing what will be available to ’upgrade’ existing EVs and PHEVs (for instance converting a PHEV to BEV or upgrading the charging and battery capacity in existing cars).
I think it’s a horrible idea to destroy old classics. Even for the environment it is better to use gas for the 5 times you take your classic for a drive instead of using so much resources that only wait in your garage.
This conversion market will probably become huge for people that are gear heads and want to do their own work. Yes please start a channel dedicated to this space!
Yes, the ICE to EV conversion business is really taking off. Did you know that Ford and Chevy now make electric "crate" motors? Ford's is called the Eluminator, Chevy's is called the eCrate. Depending on how it is done, it can be more sustainable to convert an existing ICE vehicle than to build a new EV. Most of the carbon-intensive work (mining, smelting, manufacture) was done to produce that ICE vehicle. What about classic cars? In my opinion, rare classics should probably be left alone. However, millions of cars have been produced with great exteriors and mediocre to piss-poor ICE drivetrains. In any case, Kyle, I think you'd have a blast doing a deeper dive into this growing industry. #sema2023
Using the less desirable version for a conversion is perfect. Conversions will get easier and easier with more component sales. I also like the drop in electric motor option where it drops into the engine compartment of a vehicle and adapts to the rest of the drivetrain.
Model 3 highland perf awd chassis under a 1957 chevy bel air perfect elktromod. Almost the same width,wheel base etc. Or use the roadster shop style chassis modified for full ev pack's, independent suspension awd all bolt in style(Ford did this with the E-100 truck a few years ago using a full mach e gt drivetrain suspensions and pack underneath. Using reproduction sheet metal for various killer style elktromods. Without actually cutting up or modifying a true numbers matching classic chassis. 👍🏻😎
For sure more EV conversions, yes do a dedicated channel for EV conversions, that would be so great. There you could do deep dives into various builds, what is on offer, visit vendors and present this new and hopefully booming side of EV cars as a hobby, as a business and as a lifestyle.
another great program. You are on a roll on so many levels these days. Thanks. Camera should be on the cars, not the speakers, however. I skipped over a bunch of stuff where the cameras showed almost nothing.
This is the most exciting thing I have seen yet. I'm DIY, old school, grease monkey who is a computer programmer, by education and profession. Somebody give me some money. I want to start an EV mechanics school. Our economy is over-loaded with young uncertified labor. Wow.
More of this please! I live in Rhode Island and our license plates typically have a light blue wave on them but my Bolt EV (and all EVs and hybrids) have green waves.
Great video.. Definitely would like to see a channel dedicated to EV conversions. I'd also love to see places that could update older EVs like my 2016 Spark EV to support newer battery types to extend my capacity from 19KWH to 32 or better along with an update to the on board charger from 3.3 to 6.2 for faster home charging. It would also be cool if an eAxle of say 60hp and an additional 100lbft of torque could be added to the Spark for 200hp, 427lbft of torque and 4WD just for more grins than I get now😊
Very interesting video. I have been to SEMA on business and fully appreciate that the sole focus of this show is on the cars themselves and it is very cool to see the growth of the conversion and "coach built" EV industry. My only issue with the entire industry is how much focus is paid to the vehicles themselves and how little focus there seems to be on the sorely lacking public charging infrastructure (I don't mean by this channel but rather the industry as a whole). There are shows, I know, for power delivery and they are, ultimately, far less exciting but how hard are top tier manufacturers and the conversion industry pushing the power delivery industry to build more charging locations, with more chargers and to improve the reliability of their chargers? EV's are great if you live in a house and can charge every night but I, along with countless others, live in a condo (450 units per tower) so would need to rely on a public charging station. All of this EV innovation is great but the reason many of the top tier OEM's are scaling back production because owning an EV can be too big of a headache because the charging industry is so far behind. Again, this was a great video and so engaging so my comment is not intended to be a buzz kill. I just believe that there should be more anger from the EV players aimed at the charging industry. My 2 cents. =)
We need more conversation videos please! I suspect most people on this channel care about EVs because they care about the planet and addressing climate change. So, it must be emphasized that the most sustainable pathway forward is to covert older ICE cars, not build brand new EVs. Plus, many people like analog (and physical buttons) and find all the tech in new EVs too much. But the conversion market thus far is way too expensive for the average person. Electric Classic Cars, EV West, and similar outfits do great work, but most people cannot fork over 50K + for a conversion. I wanted to convert my old ’01 E46 but it was more than buying a brand new Model 3. So, Kyle, I would love to see you talk to those that do conversions in how they foresee turning this into a mass market venture to serve those with more modest means, not just in the US, but also in 'developing countries'
There's a number in Europe and the UK (see electric classic cars), there's a company doing kits with the hope it can become economic to convert than buy an new car. France also has grants for hybrid conversions. Would love to do one myself...
My favorites of this group was the electric Jag XKE and believe it or not the Ford Mach-e Rally sand tan color off road 4x4 with the wenches in the frunk. Ford might be onto something with that one.
I sure wish a good EV conversion shop would open in the major city closest to us (Las Vegas). We'd have them finally convert my wife's BMW Z3. We never drive it anymore, and that's the only reason we've hung on to it for so many years.
People have been converting vehicles to EV for many years (decades) but the technology wasn’t great and it used to be lead-acid batteries. Originally it was also just people wishing to get away from gasoline/diesel engines but now with the real power/speed you can get out of an EV motor hot-rodders/custom car enthusiasts are recognizing the possibilities.
Out of Spec EV Build channel would be amazing. I have a former military HMMWV that needs an electric conversion. It’s current diesel motor literally vibrates bolts out when you spend any time at highway speeds. Not kidding. I always bring a selection of nuts and bolts along with the tools to put everything back together when I arrive places. It’s pretty ridiculous.
$50K conversions is never going to be "large scale". What is needed is a series of kits to convert recent quality vehicles whose only problem is a blown engine or trans that makes the car not worth fixing as an ICE car. 15-20 year old Mercedes and BMWs and Audis that would cost $10K+ to fix and so can be bought for $1K as a base to convert into an EV. 50kwh of 2170 cells can be bought for under $4K, and a Tesla front drive unit for $1500 on eBay. I want a $1k kit that has all the brackets, racks, OBDII spoofing and CAN control needed to take those readily available components and turn any car EV by an average shade tree mechanic in a couple of weekends. Not something that needs a 4-post lift and special scissor battery table. Not a rich man's hobby or an "enthusiast's dream" or "tinkerer's toy" , but a practical re-use of an ICE car into an EV with reasonable performance, creature comforts, reliability, and for under $10k all-in. Because there is no point in spending $50k on a conversion that is, in the end, a used car where everything except the drivetrain is old tech and probably can't compete with a $35k brand new Tesla on any level.
If Tesla made an EV pickup truck that was retro rather than a cybertruck I’d buy it. I’m glad other people are doing these conversions because I find them fascinating, but I couldn’t imagine spending so much money to make it happen. I’m happy that Kyle eventually asked who these cars are for because I’m amazed at all the choices. It’s a much bigger market than I would have guessed.
Maybe more like a 50’s or 60’s Chevy or Ford full size. But I’m a back to the future fan so I’d be down for the Mary McEV too. Just about anything but the cybertruck really. Not so much because it doesn’t appeal to me personally, but because it feels like a lot of extra effort to produce something impractical when they could have made something better, faster and easier. That would have been cheaper to make and thus cheaper to buy. It feels like a great opportunity lost.
@@Molishious I think the ct is just what's needed to shake things up in the stodgy pickup space(I've owned a dozen or so full size trucks for work purposes and driven many many more since the late 90s. They all basically look the same to me. The ct ends that! 😎 I don't know how it's going to sell though long term? My bet is well, but like top 3-5 and not challenge the f-150 or gm truck's for #1 or 2 spot. Which is fine really 200-300k unit's at probably just over 65k asp is good stuff. 👍🏻 Imo the $ maker that could be exported in crazy volumes is a mid size or compact truck. So many fleets would buy one. Think maverick or ranger sized 85+kwh pack's, 250+miles of range quick charging 5k towing, rwd 4.5' bed 35k+=perfect use case.
Vw conversions are popular and you walked by the vw bus, anything new with systems for these, particularly to increase range? Tesla drive axle with Tesla batteries?
I would love to see a dedicated channel, especially with the nerdy stuff. Here in France, it’s excessively hard to electrify a car on a legal basis. At one moment, you needed to have the OEM's approval for the project (OEM that still in 2023 are anti-EV), and that was even before the safety regulators, registrations bureau and other government institutions (not even speaking about the insurance companies that are all extremely reticent to any modification you’ll do on your car). I don’t know where it stands now, but my guess is that nothing has changed. So I love to see it happen elsewhere. Maybe it will come to Europe one day, once they see that moding a car won’t collapse the whole society. But I doubt it.
Out of Spec Conversions. EV conversion market needs to be covered more. With the transition away from ICE, it will leave a lot of cars rotting in junkyards. Converting them would be the right thing to do. We will need some regulation on this, so it’s not the wild, wild west it is today. And for EV conversions to become more mainstream, they will need those standards to be able to use public DC fast chargers.
Love the video, I am in to ev conversation!! Looking to build an ev swap with a modern twist of a 1936 Chevy master deluxe sedan! Looking for a school/ training to go to ! To get more info!! And move a conversation Company of my on !! Would love to see more videos on the subject!!! And i already get the magazine, it’s great as well!!!!
I like the principal of converting classic car, however, much, much tighter legislation is required to ensure the chassis, brakes and suspension components can handle the much greater hp and torque. It’s not just a case of dropping in a motor and batteries.
Why there wasn’t a kit for a regular Joe to drop their , like F150, Silverado or Chevy Colorado? Just a plug and play kid, I have seen it in the news companies who said they have a kit coming but nothing here?
Hi out of spec team I would like to request you all to come India and collaborate with some Indian EV specific or auto TH-cam channels and test out the EVS available in India and also the chargers available here.
I really want to see a Smart ForTwo conversion kit come out. Imagine if Mercedes knew what they were doing, and had put a serious battery pack and drive train in the last Smart EV it could have Chinese Smart car clone range. And more space because the bottom would be flat inside. I would love to know if you rip the guts out of a petrol or EV one, what could actually fit inside it with a competent conversion done by serious engineers and mechanics? *Serious as opposed to the people at Mercedes who I don't really respect because they abandoned the best car idea in the world and are still making ICE cars and campaigning for more lung disease.
I would like to take a 1988 BMW 735i and put a Tesla powertrain in it and restore the body and interior to like new OEM condition. But I don't want to spend $300k to do it. Out of Spec exploring companies/shops willing to do these conversions for not Rolls Royce money would be awesome.
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An Out of Spec EV build/conversion channel, would be amazing. My preference is truck conversions, but as long as the channel gets into geeky details. Any type of EV build would be fascinating. Good luck getting it started.
I didn't see many late model conversions. Would like to see how they can convert 2010 and newer with the integrated screens, body control modules and other related items. They can start with my 2019 RAM... Ha!
No thanks, other people are doing this well.
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This is great to see. Many people like me have always loved their classic cars, but would really like to see an easily adaptable kit to update the drivetrain to EV power. Thanks!
Electric Classic Cars and EV West are two.
Electric Classic Cars is one of my favorite channels! Richard does a great job.
As someone who's gotten addicted to EVs (largely because this channel!) I'd love to see more of this.
You certainly have my vote to see more EV Conversions. Thanks for covering this aspect of the EV World.
Fun! The full EV platform frames could evolve into the new era of Coach Builders
This is great content! ❤ More please! Conversions are 🔥
EVTV in Missouri is a must see.
I've been shopping around the last few years for the best approach to electrify my Rolls Royce. I've got plenty of room for batteries.
An Out Of Spec EV Conversion channel would be fantastic. I have been following the DIY and Kit space for at least 5 years. I love the direction of standardized training, equipment, etc. I would love to see a channel that explained conversions to different levels of desire: From 1973 Fiat Spider, retain manual and classic simplicity, 1996 Ford Ranger 4x4 with aftermarket recent infotainment system to a 2020 Jeep Gladiator with current EV infotainment and features. Add to this how to aftermarket upgrade an early Kia Soul EV to current batteries, 400V system, and current infotainment features. Old EVs made newer, recycling what gets replaced.
Great conversation between a couple knowledgeable and cool people. What’s not to like? Thanks!
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I work for a company in the UK called Lunaz restoring and converting everything from Bentleys to bin lorries 👍
Nice to see some coverage of what we and others do.
Thanks. A visit at Lunaz would be de rigueur should the channel get the green light.
14:53 I'm really glad you guys mention about training standards and what not to cut! Very important. I was excited see what conversions at this show!
My boi JEROME. My Tesla will be featured in EV builders guide Magazine soon. Stay tuned!! Love the content!!!!!!!! 🔥💪
Kyle, great teaming up with Jerome Andre. This destined to become a "Classic Out-of-Spec" episode that many will look back on. The conversation between the two of you really provided great insight to the state of the custom/conversion industry. So much has changed over the last 3-5 years. Amazing to see this part of the automotive industry becoming mainstream on EV tech and performance.
Asking good questions. Thanks for sharing the experience. 👍
How do the conversion “kits” (not “skateboard” platforms) compare to the replaced ICE components? I understand it varies by car/engine, but roughly how much is the weight? I’m curious about changes in weight distribution.
Weight distribution can be balance almost at will by using two packs (one front one back). Budget wise a ful EV conversion is probably 50 to 100% more costly than a few ice drivetrain (for now) but you get more performance.
This is a wonderful and informative video and you are not even scratching the surface by the looks. More of this would be appreciated. Thank you
Do you want the truth or to feel good? I’m a 70 year old gear head who’s been restoring vintage sports cars since I was a teen. I loved them more than anything in the world (except maybe vintage motorcycles). After 4 years of driving a Tesla Model 3 I honestly have lost all interest in classic vehicles. The Tesla is just too good and there’s simply no way you can bring a classic up anywhere near a Tesla. I wouldn’t have thought so...I don’t expect you to believe me. But wait until you spend a couple years with a Tesla Model 3 or Y. Sadly I think this market niche will be as extinct as VW/kit cars were after the 70’s. But maybe I’m wrong...
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Exactly my sentiment. Was a petrolhead once, but no more, thanks to my Model Y
People will always want to show their individuality and be willing to be a little less comfortable for it. You just don't care what other people think anymore 😂
I have to agree. I love old cars but the reason they are trendy is because 1: Recession is here & people are trying to keep their old faithful mules running as long as they can.
2: Some shady businesses are feeding speculation with flipping & conversion.
Today the Tesla 1st generations are starting to arrive on the used market for less than 20 K $.
There's just no turning back especially when safety is considered. Old cars are genuine ⚰️ on wheels compared to the best modern cars.
Kyle, thank you so much for the segment it is so interesting and helpful for many of us who are interested in moving in this direction to have our old cars converted or to become trained in doing so ourselves.❤❤❤
Carol Shelby would have LOVED this 💯
Absolutely need a EV conversions channel from OOS. Electric Classic Cars is awesome to see what they're doing and would love to see how more state side conversions are happening with older US makes and models
ChargePoint Home Flex installed on an old school gas pump is such a vibe ⚡✨
I wasn’t able to make show so thank you for the detailed tour! Oh and thanks for the SoCal EV shoutout at 37 minutes.
Wow what an awesome vid!! Amazing to see such growth of these conversions. Great work getting Jerome too 👏🏽
Thanks @dharman
I'd like to see an EV conversion kit that takes up the space of one or more of the legacy ICE packages like small block Chevy and TurboHydro TH400 transmission or Ford small block and their most popular transmission back in the day. This would be great because there were MILLIONS of cars made with these combinations of engines and transmission. The EV kit would fill the engine compartment with the electric motor as well as all of the electronics and the one-gear gearbox needed and about half of the battery pack. The other half of the battery pack could go where the fuel tank used to go and/or in the bottom layer of the trunk. There are lots of these old ICE/Tranny combos that existed over the years in the US and all over the world. Ideally the kit would be something that is bolt-in complete and doable by anyone who is mechanically inclined but not necessarily electronically inclined.
The electric motors are so small they can fit where the transmission was. Under hood space would be used up by controllers, chargers and some batteries. Remainder of the battery can go to the rear of the car.
@@joeclutchless1944Yep. There are several places that the batteries could go, including the trunk, where the fuel tank was, under the rear seat and possibly in the engine compartment. For best weight distribution they could be spread in more than one area. What's also cool about this idea is that you could conceivably start with a small battery for a modest range and then add more later when you have the time and/or money.
I love the idea of converting classics into EVs ❤❤❤. ECD does more than convert they restore the vehicles to better than new.❤❤
Yes, please cover more conversion stuff. Also interested in seeing what will be available to ’upgrade’ existing EVs and PHEVs (for instance converting a PHEV to BEV or upgrading the charging and battery capacity in existing cars).
I think it’s a great idea for classic cars
I think it’s a horrible idea to destroy old classics. Even for the environment it is better to use gas for the 5 times you take your classic for a drive instead of using so much resources that only wait in your garage.
This conversion market will probably become huge for people that are gear heads and want to do their own work. Yes please start a channel dedicated to this space!
I love the whole EV conversion space! Would love to see more developments.
Yes, the ICE to EV conversion business is really taking off. Did you know that Ford and Chevy now make electric "crate" motors? Ford's is called the Eluminator, Chevy's is called the eCrate. Depending on how it is done, it can be more sustainable to convert an existing ICE vehicle than to build a new EV. Most of the carbon-intensive work (mining, smelting, manufacture) was done to produce that ICE vehicle. What about classic cars? In my opinion, rare classics should probably be left alone. However, millions of cars have been produced with great exteriors and mediocre to piss-poor ICE drivetrains. In any case, Kyle, I think you'd have a blast doing a deeper dive into this growing industry. #sema2023
Definitely more videos on conversions would be great !
Using the less desirable version for a conversion is perfect. Conversions will get easier and easier with more component sales. I also like the drop in electric motor option where it drops into the engine compartment of a vehicle and adapts to the rest of the drivetrain.
Absolutely include a channel for EV conversions - I am very interested in this!
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Yes more of this content please! Would love to see its own dedicated channel.
If there was a car i would hv love to conver😂t that could be the lincoln town car!
Love that panther body on frame...
you and rich gotta team up.
This is the future I’ve been waiting for
I'd like to see one important modification: a Tesla Model3 shooting-brake/wagon😍. Only metal-work. Should be doable.
Model 3 highland perf awd chassis under a 1957 chevy bel air perfect elktromod. Almost the same width,wheel base etc.
Or use the roadster shop style chassis modified for full ev pack's, independent suspension awd all bolt in style(Ford did this with the E-100 truck a few years ago using a full mach e gt drivetrain suspensions and pack underneath. Using reproduction sheet metal for various killer style elktromods. Without actually cutting up or modifying a true numbers matching classic chassis. 👍🏻😎
The pearl white Chevy truck was our build. It is all new metal. Nothing used on it. The gt40 was our frame and molded body.
Bring us plug-in hybrid conversion kits for pickup trucks since OEMs aren't building them!
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For sure more EV conversions, yes do a dedicated channel for EV conversions, that would be so great. There you could do deep dives into various builds, what is on offer, visit vendors and present this new and hopefully booming side of EV cars as a hobby, as a business and as a lifestyle.
I love this especially the old Ford pickup. Give me more!
Here's a link to more e-Ford truck content on the Renew Channel: th-cam.com/channels/S0wiSuJB-rhdOV6g5mMSjg.html
another great program. You are on a roll on so many levels these days. Thanks. Camera should be on the cars, not the speakers, however. I skipped over a bunch of stuff where the cameras showed almost nothing.
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This episode needs the title: EXCITING!
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing this.
This is the most exciting thing I have seen yet. I'm DIY, old school, grease monkey who is a computer programmer, by education and profession. Somebody give me some money. I want to start an EV mechanics school. Our economy is over-loaded with young uncertified labor. Wow.
More of this please!
I live in Rhode Island and our license plates typically have a light blue wave on them but my Bolt EV (and all EVs and hybrids) have green waves.
Great video.. Definitely would like to see a channel dedicated to EV conversions. I'd also love to see places that could update older EVs like my 2016 Spark EV to support newer battery types to extend my capacity from 19KWH to 32 or better along with an update to the on board charger from 3.3 to 6.2 for faster home charging. It would also be cool if an eAxle of say 60hp and an additional 100lbft of torque could be added to the Spark for 200hp, 427lbft of torque and 4WD just for more grins than I get now😊
All of that sounds about the price of a fixed salvage model 3 perf.
.L0VE THIS! THANKS KYLE!
Very interesting video. I have been to SEMA on business and fully appreciate that the sole focus of this show is on the cars themselves and it is very cool to see the growth of the conversion and "coach built" EV industry. My only issue with the entire industry is how much focus is paid to the vehicles themselves and how little focus there seems to be on the sorely lacking public charging infrastructure (I don't mean by this channel but rather the industry as a whole). There are shows, I know, for power delivery and they are, ultimately, far less exciting but how hard are top tier manufacturers and the conversion industry pushing the power delivery industry to build more charging locations, with more chargers and to improve the reliability of their chargers? EV's are great if you live in a house and can charge every night but I, along with countless others, live in a condo (450 units per tower) so would need to rely on a public charging station. All of this EV innovation is great but the reason many of the top tier OEM's are scaling back production because owning an EV can be too big of a headache because the charging industry is so far behind. Again, this was a great video and so engaging so my comment is not intended to be a buzz kill. I just believe that there should be more anger from the EV players aimed at the charging industry. My 2 cents. =)
We need more conversation videos please! I suspect most people on this channel care about EVs because they care about the planet and addressing climate change. So, it must be emphasized that the most sustainable pathway forward is to covert older ICE cars, not build brand new EVs. Plus, many people like analog (and physical buttons) and find all the tech in new EVs too much.
But the conversion market thus far is way too expensive for the average person. Electric Classic Cars, EV West, and similar outfits do great work, but most people cannot fork over 50K + for a conversion. I wanted to convert my old ’01 E46 but it was more than buying a brand new Model 3. So, Kyle, I would love to see you talk to those that do conversions in how they foresee turning this into a mass market venture to serve those with more modest means, not just in the US, but also in 'developing countries'
There's a number in Europe and the UK (see electric classic cars), there's a company doing kits with the hope it can become economic to convert than buy an new car. France also has grants for hybrid conversions. Would love to do one myself...
Can't wait to see the new channel for this stuff.
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My favorites of this group was the electric Jag XKE and believe it or not the Ford Mach-e Rally sand tan color off road 4x4 with the wenches in the frunk. Ford might be onto something with that one.
I am absolutely interested in EV conversions. Please cover this space.
I sure wish a good EV conversion shop would open in the major city closest to us (Las Vegas). We'd have them finally convert my wife's BMW Z3. We never drive it anymore, and that's the only reason we've hung on to it for so many years.
More conversion videos please!
Very well done duscussion. 👍
The Tesla model 3 conversion to replica 300SL was amazing
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People have been converting vehicles to EV for many years (decades) but the technology wasn’t great and it used to be lead-acid batteries. Originally it was also just people wishing to get away from gasoline/diesel engines but now with the real power/speed you can get out of an EV motor hot-rodders/custom car enthusiasts are recognizing the possibilities.
I would love to convert an F100 like the one Ford did one day.
Out of Spec EV Build channel would be amazing. I have a former military HMMWV that needs an electric conversion. It’s current diesel motor literally vibrates bolts out when you spend any time at highway speeds. Not kidding. I always bring a selection of nuts and bolts along with the tools to put everything back together when I arrive places. It’s pretty ridiculous.
HMMWV. Another fine design from Pentagon generals - who actually have their workplace in Tampa.
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I have been wanting to get into doing Ev conversations for a while. I would love to start a shop out of my garage. Dual Porpoise 🐬🐬
$50K conversions is never going to be "large scale". What is needed is a series of kits to convert recent quality vehicles whose only problem is a blown engine or trans that makes the car not worth fixing as an ICE car. 15-20 year old Mercedes and BMWs and Audis that would cost $10K+ to fix and so can be bought for $1K as a base to convert into an EV. 50kwh of 2170 cells can be bought for under $4K, and a Tesla front drive unit for $1500 on eBay. I want a $1k kit that has all the brackets, racks, OBDII spoofing and CAN control needed to take those readily available components and turn any car EV by an average shade tree mechanic in a couple of weekends. Not something that needs a 4-post lift and special scissor battery table. Not a rich man's hobby or an "enthusiast's dream" or "tinkerer's toy" , but a practical re-use of an ICE car into an EV with reasonable performance, creature comforts, reliability, and for under $10k all-in. Because there is no point in spending $50k on a conversion that is, in the end, a used car where everything except the drivetrain is old tech and probably can't compete with a $35k brand new Tesla on any level.
If Tesla made an EV pickup truck that was retro rather than a cybertruck I’d buy it. I’m glad other people are doing these conversions because I find them fascinating, but I couldn’t imagine spending so much money to make it happen. I’m happy that Kyle eventually asked who these cars are for because I’m amazed at all the choices. It’s a much bigger market than I would have guessed.
Like the alpha wolf 2dr reg cab mid size ev truck which looks just like Marty mcflys toyoduh from back to the future?
Maybe more like a 50’s or 60’s Chevy or Ford full size. But I’m a back to the future fan so I’d be down for the Mary McEV too. Just about anything but the cybertruck really. Not so much because it doesn’t appeal to me personally, but because it feels like a lot of extra effort to produce something impractical when they could have made something better, faster and easier. That would have been cheaper to make and thus cheaper to buy. It feels like a great opportunity lost.
@@Molishious I think the ct is just what's needed to shake things up in the stodgy pickup space(I've owned a dozen or so full size trucks for work purposes and driven many many more since the late 90s. They all basically look the same to me. The ct ends that! 😎
I don't know how it's going to sell though long term? My bet is well, but like top 3-5 and not challenge the f-150 or gm truck's for #1 or 2 spot.
Which is fine really 200-300k unit's at probably just over 65k asp is good stuff. 👍🏻
Imo the $ maker that could be exported in crazy volumes is a mid size or compact truck. So many fleets would buy one.
Think maverick or ranger sized 85+kwh pack's, 250+miles of range quick charging 5k towing, rwd 4.5' bed 35k+=perfect use case.
Vw conversions are popular and you walked by the vw bus, anything new with systems for these, particularly to increase range? Tesla drive axle with Tesla batteries?
Governments ought to start including conversions in the various financial incentives they offer.
Would be nice but the market will not even required it.
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It will bring a great idea for the channel to cover this space.
I wonder if one of these ev kits would work on my mazda, and be less than 5000.00.
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EV, YES!
JEROME... *BARTON FINK* of the EV Space 😝
I would love to see a dedicated channel, especially with the nerdy stuff.
Here in France, it’s excessively hard to electrify a car on a legal basis. At one moment, you needed to have the OEM's approval for the project (OEM that still in 2023 are anti-EV), and that was even before the safety regulators, registrations bureau and other government institutions (not even speaking about the insurance companies that are all extremely reticent to any modification you’ll do on your car). I don’t know where it stands now, but my guess is that nothing has changed.
So I love to see it happen elsewhere. Maybe it will come to Europe one day, once they see that moding a car won’t collapse the whole society. But I doubt it.
Out of Spec Conversions.
EV conversion market needs to be covered more. With the transition away from ICE, it will leave a lot of cars rotting in junkyards. Converting them would be the right thing to do.
We will need some regulation on this, so it’s not the wild, wild west it is today. And for EV conversions to become more mainstream, they will need those standards to be able to use public DC fast chargers.
Would be so cool. Hope it happens
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As long as the car runs on bottled lightning I'm down to watch videos on it
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I'm looking for EV conversion on my Porsche 928 in exchange for advertising your logo on the car.
I want to do this. Teach Me!
Could they also upgrade first generation EVs, for ex the BMW I3?
Of course you could, but it’s probably far simpler to do without a full “conversion” in the way they’re doing.
Robert Downey Jr has several classic he turned into EV including a 60s Corvette and a 70s blazer
We’ve covered them in depth in the new issue of EV Builders guide. Now , do you want to see them in vids?
Love the video, I am in to ev conversation!! Looking to build an ev swap with a modern twist of a 1936 Chevy master deluxe sedan!
Looking for a school/ training to go to ! To get more info!! And move a conversation Company of my on !! Would love to see more videos on the subject!!! And i already get the magazine, it’s great as well!!!!
So your model 3 with the sl300 body how do you licence it. As a model 3 or a sl300?
It sure as Frunk doesn’t qualify as a “Mercedes-Benz!”
I like the principal of converting classic car, however, much, much tighter legislation is required to ensure the chassis, brakes and suspension components can handle the much greater hp and torque. It’s not just a case of dropping in a motor and batteries.
what about de-conversion? I mean there are so many hybrids out there what if I'd like to run it as a normal car.
Is your name “Frankenstein?”
Why there wasn’t a kit for a regular Joe to drop their , like F150, Silverado or Chevy Colorado? Just a plug and play kid, I have seen it in the news companies who said they have a kit coming but nothing here?
Hi out of spec team I would like to request you all to come India and collaborate with some Indian EV specific or auto TH-cam channels and test out the EVS available in India and also the chargers available here.
Kyle you need to make a video on the ride share service Freebee they are fully electric and fully free it would make a good video
Is there a channel that actually looks at the cars?
EV conversions are so HOT right now! I also look like Hansel 😎 check out my EV Conversions and modified EV's. Jeromes a great guy. Nice vid 😉⚡️🇬🇧
So what would it cost to convert a 20-year-old Volvo into a BEV, for example?
There is no “sacrilege” 😊😊😊
Oh and I also want an old ekec sl to cruise with my dog
lets get a conversion kit for an 07 yaris... 🤣
I really want to see a Smart ForTwo conversion kit come out. Imagine if Mercedes knew what they were doing, and had put a serious battery pack and drive train in the last Smart EV it could have Chinese Smart car clone range. And more space because the bottom would be flat inside. I would love to know if you rip the guts out of a petrol or EV one, what could actually fit inside it with a competent conversion done by serious engineers and mechanics?
*Serious as opposed to the people at Mercedes who I don't really respect because they abandoned the best car idea in the world and are still making ICE cars and campaigning for more lung disease.
Show the cars that are capable of powering your home in a pinch.
White Ferrari looks like one of those kids beds
30:57 Elon Musk should listen to these wise words and remember it when he talks about FSD next time.
i been wonting to convert 67 2000 datsun roadster
I would like to take a 1988 BMW 735i and put a Tesla powertrain in it and restore the body and interior to like new OEM condition. But I don't want to spend $300k to do it. Out of Spec exploring companies/shops willing to do these conversions for not Rolls Royce money would be awesome.