A lot of people get that wrong; Guzzis, Hondas CX's HAVE LONGITUDINAL engines since their crankshaft is mounted "longitudinally" to the bike frame and HD's, Ducatis, Viragos and many more HAVE TRANSVERSALS engines since their Crankshafts are mounted transversely to the frame, make your research but don't worry, many people has the same confusion because the cylinders orientation 🧐
Great job explaining the two configurations. The orientation makes a big difference on the amount of torque delivered to the rear wheel. Every time you change orientation of the path of power 90 degrees, you lose significant torque. So a SHAFT DRIVE bike would benefit from a transverse mounted motor significantly because the crankshaft is oriented in the same direction as the drive shaft, eliminating turning the force 90 degrees until the final ring and pinion gear. On A longitudinal V configuration the crankshaft is perpendicular to the frame, then it must be turned longways to a drive shaft in order to reach the rear wheel, where it will have to be turned back at the ring and pinion set in order to deliver power to the wheel which the axle is oriented perpendicular to the long axis of he bike again. With a chain drive coupled to a longitudinal V, a 90 degree turn is eliminated due to the lack of a drive shaft. Chain drive/Longitudinal V the power comes off the crankshaft at 90 degrees to the long axis of the bike, and remains that way as its delivered to the wheel. So all the shafts are oriented the same. Perpendicular crankshaft delivers power to a perpendicular output at the transmission and then through the chain to the wheel, also perpendicular to the long axis of the bike. So a transverse mounted engine definitely has advantage over long mounted IF power is delivered to the wheel using a SHAFT. And a longitudinal engine has the advantage if the power is delivered to the rear wheel by a chain.
I've owned maybe 20 different types of motorcycles. The two that I have "loved" are the Guzzi and the Harley. In both cases, it was the strong character of the machine that won me over. The Guzzi actually makes you feel a little like your riding some kind of living creature.
Beating a two year old video here, but it is indeed the crankshaft that determines if an engine is transverse or longitudinal. Guzzi engines are longitudinal, Harley's are transverse. Interestingly enough, I was looking up tire pressures today for my Moto Guzzi V9, and I noticed the list the motor as traverse, traversale in Italian. Transverse means set crosswise, traverse means something that crosses. So, transverse-set sideways in the frame, traverse-mounted longitudinally with the V crossing the frame. The only inline longitudinally mounted engine I can think of is in the BMW K 75 and K 100 with a three/four cylinder inline laying on it's side and it's crankshaft pointing towards the rear tire.
this is an old comment, but i think "lateral mounted engine" would be a better descriptor. but it's not like im gonna change the lingo all by myself lol.
your explanation is reversed, engines with longitudinal layout are like bmw boxer, moto guzzi v twin, honda cx. while the transverse layout is like Ducati's L engine, v4 honda rc, vfr, rvf, etc. The easy way to tell the difference is that the transverse layout moves in rhythm with the wheel's movement, while the longitudinal layout doesn't match the wheel's.
If you think about the way everything is rotating inside each engine, a longitudinal engine is more suited to chain or belt drive and the transverse engine to shaft drive. This is to minimize directional changes of the power being transmitted.
Very nice to have you discuss this concept: There are more easily described simple differences between transverse and longitudinally mounted v-twins that could be stated in one or two sentences than the torque sensation of revving the motor at a stop. Without being super technically engineering oriented, you could have said: "Transverse V have these features compared to Longitudinal V-twins: 1: run cooler with jugs out in wind. 2. are right alignment for shaft drive 3. rev higher 4. Feel like a push-rod V-8 when pulling hard 5. Shaft drive is typical with most Transverse Vs and is much superior to chain in most Longitudinal Vs, but shaft is major repair if it ever needs replacement."
How can a transverse v twin rev higher than a longitudinal? Just turning the engine by 90 degrees won’t change it’s rev capacity. Also the evidence says otherwise: guzzis revs lower than same-volume engines from other companies. But that’s ok because guzzis engine are very low rpm torque and power. Don t need to push them over 6000.
I guess transverse and longitudinal are witj respect to the way your crankshaft rotates with respect to the motion of the vehicle in that case transverse must be the standard vtwin Please clear my doubt
Interesting topic. "Character " is the adjective here. Inline 4s have their place but ultra smooth. It's what you prefer. Had couple longitudinal v twins, not ridden the V7 but a Honda cx500 which, is similar in principle. Loved the torque pull at idle on the cx500, that rock from side to side. Will have to try a HD one day. My lack of midriff and lack of leather waistcoat ownership permits that at present lol. BTW...love the way Americans say " Dewkaddi" and you're definitely right. Its "Gutzzeee" ✌👍
Just found your channel and its awesome! I didn't see much on Buell. Maybe some time you could do a review of a buell if you haven't already. Keep up the good work 🤙
i dont know if it's a cali thing, but i saw my first transverse (i didnt know what it was called, i called it a lateral mounted v twin when i searched for it) a couple days ago, and it just looked... wrong LOL. i was like, wtf?? and i didnt understand how the center of gravity would be when banking/leaning. i would imagine it would be heavier on the sides due to that configuration, but idk, its not like i got on it, i just saw it ride by.
Same principle as a car. A V8 engine mounted along the front/rear longitudinal axis of the frame is a longitudinally mounted engine. A V8 engine with crankshaft mounted 90° to the longitudinal axis of frame is a transversely mounted engine. Same for all vehicles including motorcycles. Weirdly Moto Guzzi advertises their engines as transversely mounted, which they aren't despite the many attempts by Guzzi experts/historians to make Guzzi correct this error which they have not and likely never will.
Hey did you stop making videos ? Also, I’m filling out an app this weekend to get into motorcycle sales. Was wondering is there any problems you faced when you started out that you would do differently?
Witam. Ja tam lubię Moto-Guzzi. 2 cylindry w układzie V, równomiernie chłodzone. A nie tak, jak w V, gdzie jeden cylinder jest ustawiony za drugim. To zrozumiałe , że Moto-Guzzi ma napęd wałem Kardana, bo jest mniej strat na przeniszeniu napędu, jest trwalszym rozwiązaniem. I ważny aspekt🧐 - włoska marka jest konkurencją dla bokserów BMW też z napędem wałem. Pozdrawiam.
Hello Alex, hope you are ok. I recently watched your video about bolt vs shadow which was nice to see the comparison, although I would like to see bolt vs Indian scout. Thank you!
okay so this isn't really related to this video but I have been watching youtube reviews of the Honda Hness 350. Wow a cool looking little bike. I would love to see it in the USA but I don't think it will be.
Okay Alex, so if you are looking for ideas for a new video I have one. "Scrambler vs ADV" So I can see differences looking at that in style, and I understand both are intended for on road and some off light off road but what are the differences? Why should someone choose one over the other?
dry clutch comes with transverse engines and usually a driveshaft for the rear wheel . these features do not come in handy when commuting in heavy traffic . moto guzzi bikes are very nice for long rides and twisty mountain roads maintenance cost is high and the heat that comes up from an aircooled engine is unbearable. they are more expensive to make from factory and the transmission from the engine and back is heavy and complicated . where i live it gets up to 45 celsius even a 125 1 cylinder bike gets ridiculous heat to your legs in traffic at 40-45 Celsius . As most things in life you need the proper thing in the proper place at the proper time
I've never ridden a Transverse motorcycle but wouldn't the engine be at higher risk of damage from tip over or crash ? I've always looked at them and scratched my head thinking about it
I've had a couple BMW boxers over the years and they're tougher in a tip over or minor get off than you would think, still there are always crash bars.
Sir, i have a question!!! Did THAR release in USA? do you guys have SCROPIO in USA? make a video on it.. this is famous in rest of the world and people want to know..
@@johnmartin7158 Hey John, If you go to his subscriber page and click on community. There is a 2 week old message from Alex saying that he his having a complicated and busy couple of weeks and November will continue to be that way. He doesn't want to make crappy videos so he is going to start unless he can make quality ones.
@@erich.4305 Good morning Eric ! Just by chance I saw your reply. Have been riding my scooter and bike 🏍 quite a bit lately. Whether a group or on my own. Summer time here now, while it may be getting colder in parts of your country. And the expense of servicing and new high quality tyres etc etc is financially draining. Registration and insurances too. How is your search going ?
For me, the ugliness due to Cylinders jetting out and discomfort due to cylinders right in front of knees outweigh any awesomeness in the character of Transversal V Twins !
@@sathishrao7926 Good afternoon Sathish ! Have you ever thought about having your own motorcycle 🏍 channel, as you are extremely knowledgeable. I am unsure how to respond to good man Alf Revelator channel subject matter sometimes. But when I read your comments, they are always thought out and well constructed. Eg if you toured India on your bike like itchy boots, that would be so awesome if you videoed it. And you would have heaps of content as in all the different type of bikes and scooters in your country. Please think about it. Auckland. NZ
A lot of people get that wrong; Guzzis, Hondas CX's HAVE LONGITUDINAL engines since their crankshaft is mounted "longitudinally" to the bike frame and HD's, Ducatis, Viragos and many more HAVE TRANSVERSALS engines since their Crankshafts are mounted transversely to the frame, make your research but don't worry, many people has the same confusion because the cylinders orientation 🧐
Great job explaining the two configurations. The orientation makes a big difference on the amount of torque delivered to the rear wheel. Every time you change orientation of the path of power 90 degrees, you lose significant torque. So a SHAFT DRIVE bike would benefit from a transverse mounted motor significantly because the crankshaft is oriented in the same direction as the drive shaft, eliminating turning the force 90 degrees until the final ring and pinion gear. On A longitudinal V configuration the crankshaft is perpendicular to the frame, then it must be turned longways to a drive shaft in order to reach the rear wheel, where it will have to be turned back at the ring and pinion set in order to deliver power to the wheel which the axle is oriented perpendicular to the long axis of he bike again. With a chain drive coupled to a longitudinal V, a 90 degree turn is eliminated due to the lack of a drive shaft. Chain drive/Longitudinal V the power comes off the crankshaft at 90 degrees to the long axis of the bike, and remains that way as its delivered to the wheel. So all the shafts are oriented the same. Perpendicular crankshaft delivers power to a perpendicular output at the transmission and then through the chain to the wheel, also perpendicular to the long axis of the bike. So a transverse mounted engine definitely has advantage over long mounted IF power is delivered to the wheel using a SHAFT. And a longitudinal engine has the advantage if the power is delivered to the rear wheel by a chain.
Nice explanation on why moto Guzzi’s have driveshafts!
That was a superb description of engine configuration vs mounting position! Kudos Alex! Thanks for that!
I've owned maybe 20 different types of motorcycles. The two that I have "loved" are the Guzzi and the Harley. In both cases, it was the strong character of the machine that won me over. The Guzzi actually makes you feel a little like your riding some kind of living creature.
You got the longitudinal vs. transverse thing backwards.
Beating a two year old video here, but it is indeed the crankshaft that determines if an engine is transverse or longitudinal. Guzzi engines are longitudinal, Harley's are transverse. Interestingly enough, I was looking up tire pressures today for my Moto Guzzi V9, and I noticed the list the motor as traverse, traversale in Italian. Transverse means set crosswise, traverse means something that crosses. So, transverse-set sideways in the frame, traverse-mounted longitudinally with the V crossing the frame. The only inline longitudinally mounted engine I can think of is in the BMW K 75 and K 100 with a three/four cylinder inline laying on it's side and it's crankshaft pointing towards the rear tire.
You forgot the Nimbus. Danish 4cyl longitudal monted engine
this is an old comment, but i think "lateral mounted engine" would be a better descriptor. but it's not like im gonna change the lingo all by myself lol.
your explanation is reversed, engines with longitudinal layout are like bmw boxer, moto guzzi v twin, honda cx. while the transverse layout is like Ducati's L engine, v4 honda rc, vfr, rvf, etc. The easy way to tell the difference is that the transverse layout moves in rhythm with the wheel's movement, while the longitudinal layout doesn't match the wheel's.
If you think about the way everything is rotating inside each engine, a longitudinal engine is more suited to chain or belt drive and the transverse engine to shaft drive. This is to minimize directional changes of the power being transmitted.
Good explanation 👍🏻 Love Ducati's 90° v twins myself, but Guzzi's certainly have their charm. Cheers mate
Very nice to have you discuss this concept: There are more easily described simple differences between transverse and longitudinally mounted v-twins that could be stated in one or two sentences than the torque sensation of revving the motor at a stop. Without being super technically engineering oriented, you could have said: "Transverse V have these features compared to Longitudinal V-twins: 1: run cooler with jugs out in wind. 2. are right alignment for shaft drive 3. rev higher 4. Feel like a push-rod V-8 when pulling hard 5. Shaft drive is typical with most Transverse Vs and is much superior to chain in most Longitudinal Vs, but shaft is major repair if it ever needs replacement."
How can a transverse v twin rev higher than a longitudinal? Just turning the engine by 90 degrees won’t change it’s rev capacity.
Also the evidence says otherwise: guzzis revs lower than same-volume engines from other companies.
But that’s ok because guzzis engine are very low rpm torque and power. Don t need to push them over 6000.
I guess transverse and longitudinal are witj respect to the way your crankshaft rotates with respect to the motion of the vehicle in that case transverse must be the standard vtwin
Please clear my doubt
One year later but you are perfectly right sir!!
Interesting topic. "Character " is the adjective here. Inline 4s have their place but ultra smooth. It's what you prefer. Had couple longitudinal v twins, not ridden the V7 but a Honda cx500 which, is similar in principle. Loved the torque pull at idle on the cx500, that rock from side to side. Will have to try a HD one day. My lack of midriff and lack of leather waistcoat ownership permits that at present lol. BTW...love the way Americans say " Dewkaddi" and you're definitely right. Its "Gutzzeee" ✌👍
Just bought a GL500 this past weekend and loved it. Test road a sportster 883 before hand and both bikes had great feelings!
Just found your channel and its awesome! I didn't see much on Buell. Maybe some time you could do a review of a buell if you haven't already. Keep up the good work 🤙
nice vid, subscribed kee up the good wrk (y)
I’m considering a V7 for my first bike, thanks for the video.
Do it! You will love it, I guarantee it.
i dont know if it's a cali thing, but i saw my first transverse (i didnt know what it was called, i called it a lateral mounted v twin when i searched for it) a couple days ago, and it just looked... wrong LOL. i was like, wtf?? and i didnt understand how the center of gravity would be when banking/leaning. i would imagine it would be heavier on the sides due to that configuration, but idk, its not like i got on it, i just saw it ride by.
Same principle as a car. A V8 engine mounted along the front/rear longitudinal axis of the frame is a longitudinally mounted engine.
A V8 engine with crankshaft mounted 90° to the longitudinal axis of frame is a transversely mounted engine.
Same for all vehicles including motorcycles.
Weirdly Moto Guzzi advertises their engines as transversely mounted, which they aren't despite the many attempts by Guzzi experts/historians to make Guzzi correct this error which they have not and likely never will.
Hey did you stop making videos ? Also, I’m filling out an app this weekend to get into motorcycle sales. Was wondering is there any problems you faced when you started out that you would do differently?
Thanks for this video Alex
Take care .
Witam. Ja tam lubię Moto-Guzzi. 2 cylindry w układzie V, równomiernie chłodzone. A nie tak, jak w V, gdzie jeden cylinder jest ustawiony za drugim. To zrozumiałe , że Moto-Guzzi ma napęd wałem Kardana, bo jest mniej strat na przeniszeniu napędu, jest trwalszym rozwiązaniem. I ważny aspekt🧐 - włoska marka jest konkurencją dla bokserów BMW też z napędem wałem. Pozdrawiam.
Hello Alex, hope you are ok. I recently watched your video about bolt vs shadow which was nice to see the comparison, although I would like to see bolt vs Indian scout. Thank you!
You have it backwards.
okay so this isn't really related to this video but I have been watching youtube reviews of the Honda Hness 350. Wow a cool looking little bike. I would love to see it in the USA but I don't think it will be.
Okay Alex, so if you are looking for ideas for a new video I have one. "Scrambler vs ADV" So I can see differences looking at that in style, and I understand both are intended for on road and some off light off road but what are the differences? Why should someone choose one over the other?
Good video 👍
dry clutch comes with transverse engines and usually a driveshaft for the rear wheel .
these features do not come in handy when commuting in heavy traffic .
moto guzzi bikes are very nice for long rides and twisty mountain roads
maintenance cost is high and the heat that comes up from an aircooled engine is unbearable.
they are more expensive to make from factory and the transmission from the engine and back is heavy and complicated .
where i live it gets up to 45 celsius
even a 125 1 cylinder bike gets ridiculous heat to your legs in traffic at 40-45 Celsius .
As most things in life you need the proper thing in the proper place at the proper time
Why Triumph's parallel twin engine looks so much smaller than HD's sportster's v twin
I've never ridden a Transverse motorcycle but wouldn't the engine be at higher risk of damage from tip over or crash ? I've always looked at them and scratched my head thinking about it
I've had a couple BMW boxers over the years and they're tougher in a tip over or minor get off than you would think, still there are always crash bars.
@@stuglenn1112 Fair enough ! It was just something I always pondered since I've had a few side covers on dirtbikes get punctured over the years
Griso😁 all the way
some BMWs are transverse mounted aren't they?
Sir, i have a question!!! Did THAR release in USA?
do you guys have SCROPIO in USA?
make a video on it.. this is famous in rest of the world and people want to know..
Hey Alex, It seems like it has been well over a week since you posted. I hope you are well and you post soon. Peace
Hope all is well in the land of USA Eric. Perhaps Alex is busy with his job and other things
@@johnmartin7158 Hey John, If you go to his subscriber page and click on community. There is a 2 week old message from Alex saying that he his having a complicated and busy couple of weeks and November will continue to be that way. He doesn't want to make crappy videos so he is going to start unless he can make quality ones.
@@erich.4305 Good morning Eric ! Just by chance I saw your reply. Have been riding my scooter and bike 🏍 quite a bit lately. Whether a group or on my own. Summer time here now, while it may be getting colder in parts of your country.
And the expense of servicing and new high quality tyres etc etc is financially draining. Registration and insurances too.
How is your search going ?
Have yet to get silly and try a" transverser" . They look cool as H*** , However. I'd hate to take a corner and scrape a head....:LOL
For me, the ugliness due to Cylinders jetting out and discomfort due to cylinders right in front of knees outweigh any awesomeness in the character of Transversal V Twins !
Live somewhere cold, then you'd be grateful for the knee warmers 😉
@@stevefox8605 : Thank god I live in a Tropical country where MotoGuzzi isn’t sold !
@@sathishrao7926 Hope all is well with you Sathish ! Me ! NZ
@@johnmartin7158 Yes sir ! So far so good !
@@sathishrao7926 Good afternoon Sathish ! Have you ever thought about having your own motorcycle 🏍 channel, as you are extremely knowledgeable.
I am unsure how to respond to good man Alf Revelator channel subject matter sometimes. But when I read your comments, they are always thought out and well constructed.
Eg if you toured India on your bike like itchy boots, that would be so awesome if you videoed it. And you would have heaps of content as in all the different type of bikes and scooters in your country.
Please think about it.
Auckland. NZ
totally wrong
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_engine