@@mingling8559I’ve never even seen one but from what I hear it’s a pretty good round, but I will say it’s possible for a bullet to be going to fast and a 220 swift is definitely on the line (not saying it is to fast because I’m in no position to say that as I’ve never seen one in action)
220 swift is nice but hard to find. My local gun shop has hard to find ammo like 8mm Mauser, 7.62x54R and other uncommon ammo but no 220 swift@@mingling8559
I have a Remington 700 ADL in .22-250 Rem. That shoots a group just like yours does. Couldn't be happier. I have several other varminters as well (.220 Swift, .204 Ruger, .223 Rem. and another varminter .22-250 Rem in a heavy barreled Savage) They all shoot bug-hole groups. Accuracy is the name of the game and it is most enjoyable. Thank you for posting this video!
I love 223 it's dear to my heart. Buy to be honest 22-250 rem is so fast. It's a better round with the same projectile. But more powder more energy in this case
I really enjoyed your video! I searched "22-250 vs 223" and yours was first in line. Both rifles are awesome, your 700 is absolutely beautiful, wish you'd mentioned it's barrel length. In addition to your excellent grouping, I also admire your integrity for not shooting a 2nd take where you put them in the black. A well-competent practitioner needn't show off. You don't really answer your first question, 'Which is better for Varmint Hunting?' other than pointing our the enormous reach of the 22-250. I'd love to see a follow-up video comparing the wallop delivered at 100, 200, 300 yds., whether it be gel, water jugs, etc. My buddy loves his 22-250 not only for coyotes but even whitetail! I questioned his judgement but he swears he'd rather take his 22-250 Winchester than his granpappy's 30-30 Marlin which is in immaculate condition. He's in the open Prairies of Saskatchewan, I'm sure it'd be different if there was heavy undergrowth. Regarding your 2nd question: even a top-shelf hammer can't make up for a shitty nail, but I've used a mediocre hammer to frame many a wall easily cuz there were no shitty nails. Thanks again for the great video, Dave, I look forward to watching more.
Both rifles have a barrel length of 24 inches. Can't say which cartridge is better both are adequate at ethical shooting distances, under 400 yards for varmints. Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
I've had both. I love the 22-250 more than the 223 but right now I can't get any Brass for the 22-250 so I'm shooting my 223 more than anything. Both great cartridges. Those Targets you've got there are fantastic.
I've tested them both side by side for years. The best way to show the difference between the two is what we call semi liquid targets. Try 2 liter plastic bottles ( empty soda pop bottles) filled with water. It will make a spectacular demo.
I love both ,have killed just as many critters with each. I give the accuracy edge to 223 but that's just my experience. In Arizona when I visit my brother nothing better for either of us there then a 70 grain nosler ballistic tip out of our 243s. Thanks Dave I really enjoy your videos.
I love this channel, simple, straightforward and honest ;) As to the 2 cartridges, I've never owned a 22-250 although I've looked at them a few times. IMO too small of a bullet for deer, too fast/ powerful for prairie dogs, but I know a lot of guys who hunt coyotes (I don't) who swear by it, and I can see why :)
Iwas a 22-250 shooter for years out of a Ruger #1. Well, a few years ago i was bitten by the AR bug. I'm gittin up there in years ,my hiking & hunting days are over,but i still setup for varmints , from prarie dogs to coyotes. Other than ARs in various calibers, i surely missed my '250. Then i came across the 22nosler-- so i orderd a 24" cmmg upper and an assortment of ammo. I am impressed and quite happy..
I have shot thousands of rounds of both--both cartridges will do their job if you do yours--the difference is strictly less hold over the with the 22-250 which is just a screaming eagle round--in the 80's I had a Rem 700 with a bull barrel and it was utterly amazing just how flat shooting it was--just point and click out to 400-500 yards. We went crow hunting in the Missouri Rivers bottoms east of KC one time--we didn't think anything of shooting 500+ yards in the flat bottom land. Out came 3 Coyotes at 700+ yards--they were trotting--I told my friend give a whistle in about 10 seconds.. He whistled and they stopped--I just did a mild hold over on the lead dog and clicked--POOF! I don't think I would have made that same shot with a 223, but I have to tell you, that the 223 has so many custom rounds now, that it's a close shave with the 22-250. GREAT video! I am subscribed now!
"point and click out to 4/500yds"....dream on fella...I've shot and owned a 22-250 and I can assure you you're talking bullshit along with a huge dose of exaggeration!
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Thank you for your video of the compairson between the 22-250 and your 223, I had them both, mine was both savage models. I used to reload my own ammo and for both I used Hornady 50 and 55 gr with different type of tips like balastik tip palmar tips and a few others. And I got all my groupings with in one half inch of each other. I changed the synthitic stocks on both the 223 and the 22-250 to custom stocks I bought from the us and with the 22-250 I also put a timneys trig and I adjusted it to 2lbs. And my scope was a Vortex 10-40x50 . And on the 223 I had a vortex 6-24x 40 and I can tell you that what you said about weather it was the hammer or nail well I believe in what you said that it is both. I live in Canada so here we have two dollar coins called tunies with brass in the center and I use to tape a coin to each target and put them out at 300 yarda and I was able to knock the brass center out of the coins. And at 2 handreds yards I would take golf balls paint them orange the drill a hole in them, put a string through them and hang them at the 2 handreds yard Mark let them swing from side to side and with both the 223 and the 22-250 I could hit them off of the string. I spent many hours at the range prefecting my shooting. And I only had the pleasure of taking one coyote with my 22-250 and it was a one shot one kill deal. Lover both of my varmint guns.
Those are pretty good drawings. I like the "angry" one on the left. That BDL was a tack driving sledgehammer for sure. No varmint would be safe from either of those rifles with you on the trigger at whatever distance you were comfortable shooting from.
William, Thanks for the kind words. Truth be told, I miss more often than I should. Maybe that is why I have gravitated to the MSR rifles in the last 3 years, HaHa.
Both are great choices. I think it just depends on what kind of varmint shootings are going to do. For high-volume squirrel / Prairie Dog Days four to five hundred animals 223 all day less recoil last report scaring off Critters and most importantly less Barrel Heat.
In you analogy, folks need to take in location in the country/terrain. I'm in NC, with alot of pine, hardwood and scrub, getting a shot on a coyote in excess of 300 yards is very rare unless you have access to farm fields with short, or no crop. Out west, I think a fella would be a fool to not predator hunt with a 22-250, but for me a .223 bolt or gas gun is a perfect tool for the job, with a shotgun lying close by!
Shooting a s&w m&p Hornady v max dead on out to 200 yards inch high at 100 105 groundhogs so far this year was shooting 22-250 when I find shells about double 223
I enjoy both but it just depends on the situation. My .22-250 is a heavy barrel varmint rig (Remington 700 VS), so if I’m stationary and shooting any real distance it’s probably best. My .223 is a Ruger M77 that has better accuracy than I can understand and it’s much lighter and way cheaper to shoot.
You don’t go wrong with either. The advantage of the 223 is the AR platform and quick follow up for multiple critters. The 223 is easier to find as well as available in more factory offerings. The 22-250 offers range beyond what most are capable of utilizing. Both offer great accuracy and neither is a bad choice for varmints or predators.
223 is better because I don’t have a 22-50 rifle . 223 ammo is easier to find on the store shelves as well. That 22-50 rifle is better made rifle , and way more accurate
Agreed, but slow barrel twist can be a limiting factor for anything heavier than 60 grain bullets. Maybe manufacturers will make faster twist barrels for heavier 22 cal bullets.
Own both, love both but in the real world the only thing the 22-250 has got over the 223 is power, speed and less wind drift over a set distance 223 is much cheaper to shoot or reload, more barrel twist options available for different bullet weights, ammo availability, longer barrel life, less recoil (not that a 22-250 has much recoil). Get the one you want, most varmints won't know the difference
I purchased a Tikka T3X Varmint in 223. I had purchased it as l enjoy shoting and was looking for something not too expensive. Now l wish l had purchased a 22-250 orr a 243. Well l guess l can use it for small game and for the coyotes l can use my 308 or 3006.
Well- the 250 has 500fps over the 223 when handloaded properly. So if you are looking for spectacular terminal performance on target, the 250 is superior. If you are looking for less pelt damage on a furbearer, the 223 is “better”. Accuracy can be the same, all things being equal.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 OOH MAN. If it was just me, Id of had a new pup within a month!!! Momma said she cant handle loosing another. So, no we dont have a dog. It bothers me, but marriages are give and take. 🙏🙏☘️💪🏼☘️
I chose the 223 over the 250, here's why...when I bought it i couldn't find a 250 in a faster twist that 12. I have a 223 with a twist of 8, slower yes...but I also have the capability to shoot and stabilize heavy bullets for longer range and less wind deflection. I think front a target shooter/handloading perspective the 223 is superior. That being said...there are now 250s with 8 twist, I'd like to try a 77/80gr bullet to how she does at 700 yards or more. It would be interesting to say the least.
I’ve had a couple rifles chambered in 22-250 and they shot clover leaves like that. My son bought the cheapest win model 70 from Walmart and his shot like that also…. I’m seeing a pattern here.
The cartridge is very efficient. Also speed minimizes external ballistic deviations, especially at ranges up to 100 yards. Thanks for your comment and for watching.
Hey Dave, great targets . . . a work of art for sure. Bullet weights for the 22-250. Have you found a grain weight that works better than others as far as the 22-250 goes? Your bolt action is a tack driver.
Here in oz the 22/250 has always been a favourite but the .223 has edged way in from just the sheer cost Of ammo especially among professional shooters
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 no prob u might like my channel if u want to check it out. I was hunting for a bolt action 223 when I saw ut video, and decide to watch it glad I did.
@@McDanielRanch Lever or bolt action rifles are a better choice for a saddle scabbard. Stay off those "Froggy young colts" that can be painful and expensive.🤠
B.C.- .2350. for a 55 grain. Use to be called Nosler Combined technology. (Winchester Silvertip line). They don't make them in a 22 cal anymore. But Nosler still makes them in other calibers.
The 22-250 is the nail gun. That little bastard is a legend. No other round can stabilize the same range of bullet weight. Imagine a 270. Seated with a 350gr bullet 🤯
Agree, but sometimes flatter shooting due to higher velocity can make a difference, at distance on whether or not the varmint is hit. Thanks for watching
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I fire 52 grain bullets at 3300 FPS. The bullet looses velocity rather fast compared to a 6.5 mm . BC for my 223 is .229 whereas the 6.5 BC is .580. Essentially the 223 bullet looses velocity twice as fast as the 6.5. Though the 223 is able to be effective to 600 yards, I find firing to a maximum of 300 is practical. Anything beyond 300 the wind and drop becomes more random. Besides seeing a small target beyond 300 yards is not easy.
@@christopherbasham2179 Agree, on .223 to 350 yards. 22-250 to 500 yards. Both get to the target faster @ speeds of 3,200 and 3,700 respectively. BC's are a bit of a mystery to me ( you have to trust ballisticians test data) I do not target shoot beyond ethical hunting distances and my own personal skill limits to make the hit.
If you load for foot pounds then I can see that . But feet per second is not comparsable. Including twist and barrel length. I know it hard to do an actual test. but energery is more comparasiable.
My savage 22-250 shoots about .5 moa, another one i had shot .75 moa, not bad, but my ruger m77 in .223 shoots 1/3 moa... just my guns, this is not typical. It really don't make that much difference imo..
I owned a -250 once in a Browning Medallion or maybe it was a Micro Medallion, I forget which, but I loved it and killed several deer with it. I've also had a pair of .223s...one a Remington Model 700 Classic and an AR. I don't think much of that round except as a defensive round in the AR platform. Oddly enough though I hunt deer with handholds in my .22 Hornet. With that round I shoot them in the white patch under their throats, at ranges around 100 yards or so, and that little 45 grainer breaks their necks and drops them in their tracks. I would not take that shot with a .223 or -250 though because of the grizzly result of a high speed 55 grainer that, at range would do immense damage to the tissue.
223 is everywhere, and less than half the price of the 22-250 ammo. So, you can shoot 23- x the amount of practice ammo with 223 than you can with 22-250. Does 2-3 x the practice time make up for 400 fps ??? AND, you can lots of LPVO glass with 223 BDC reticles negating the need for mental adjustments for holds ???
All good questions indeed. From a hunters viewpoint only, more velocity means flatter shooting and more energy for "Terminal" performance on an animal. For the hand loader the only price difference between the 223 vs 22-250 is 11 grains more powder in the 22-250.
The 22-250 with 3 shots in one hole says it all. Great shooting!
Thanks for your kind comment and for watching.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 That BDL was a very wise purchase and you are up to the caliber of that rifle so to speak.
22-250 all day, over the 223. Especially, with coyotes !
Thanks for watching
I agree I have both,,& the 22-250 wins,
(sad 220 swift noises)
@@mingling8559I’ve never even seen one but from what I hear it’s a pretty good round, but I will say it’s possible for a bullet to be going to fast and a 220 swift is definitely on the line (not saying it is to fast because I’m in no position to say that as I’ve never seen one in action)
220 swift is nice but hard to find. My local gun shop has hard to find ammo like 8mm Mauser, 7.62x54R and other uncommon ammo but no 220 swift@@mingling8559
Nice video! The .223 is a lot cheaper to shoot! Save the 22-250 for the longer range shots!
Agreed. Thanks for watching.
I have a Remington 700 ADL in .22-250 Rem. That shoots a group just like yours does. Couldn't be happier. I have several other varminters as well (.220 Swift, .204 Ruger, .223 Rem. and another varminter .22-250 Rem in a heavy barreled Savage) They all shoot bug-hole groups. Accuracy is the name of the game and it is most enjoyable. Thank you for posting this video!
Thanks for watching and for your comment here.
Came across your videos by mistake and I haven't been disappointed. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching and your kind comment.
As you said match the hammer and nail to it's job, but I think there was a master carpenter holding those tools!!
You are too kind John. No I am just a hack that likes to share what little I know about , Hunting Horses and Football. LOL.
Much tighter group with the bolt gun In 22-250. Thanks for the video.
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I love 223 it's dear to my heart. Buy to be honest 22-250 rem is so fast. It's a better round with the same projectile. But more powder more energy in this case
Thanks for your comment and for watching
22/250 trop onéreux pour les varmints, le 223 fait le même boulot à moindre coût surtout en Europe depuis la guerre en ukraine
Love that classic 700. And it's a real shooter.
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💥22-250 and who's behind it.!!! Fantastic Round.!!!💥
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22/250. Can never go wrong. !!!!
I really enjoyed your video! I searched "22-250 vs 223" and yours was first in line. Both rifles are awesome, your 700 is absolutely beautiful, wish you'd mentioned it's barrel length. In addition to your excellent grouping, I also admire your integrity for not shooting a 2nd take where you put them in the black. A well-competent practitioner needn't show off. You don't really answer your first question, 'Which is better for Varmint Hunting?' other than pointing our the enormous reach of the 22-250. I'd love to see a follow-up video comparing the wallop delivered at 100, 200, 300 yds., whether it be gel, water jugs, etc.
My buddy loves his 22-250 not only for coyotes but even whitetail! I questioned his judgement but he swears he'd rather take his 22-250 Winchester than his granpappy's 30-30 Marlin which is in immaculate condition. He's in the open Prairies of Saskatchewan, I'm sure it'd be different if there was heavy undergrowth.
Regarding your 2nd question: even a top-shelf hammer can't make up for a shitty nail, but I've used a mediocre hammer to frame many a wall easily cuz there were no shitty nails.
Thanks again for the great video, Dave, I look forward to watching more.
Both rifles have a barrel length of 24 inches. Can't say which cartridge is better both are adequate at ethical shooting distances, under 400 yards for varmints. Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
I have christensen arms ridgeline scout in .223 wylde. Absolutely love it for coyote hunting, i use the hornady vmax 55gr. round.
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22-250 all day any day! Best 22 cal of all time 💯👍🏼👌🏼🇦🇺
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Them targets are a work of art! Great video, as always Dave.
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Love your targets Dave😀
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You draw well indeed, wouldn't surprise me if you enjoyed painting wildlife. Love that remington accuracy was terrific
Yes, but Pen and Ink only. Thanks for your kind words.
Youre an amazing shot. Never vote Left.
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My 700 heavy barrel 22-250 will group like yours at 200 yds easily. I really like the 22-250!
Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
I've had both. I love the 22-250 more than the 223 but right now I can't get any Brass for the 22-250 so I'm shooting my 223 more than anything. Both great cartridges. Those Targets you've got there are fantastic.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I've tested them both side by side for years. The best way to show the difference between the two is what we call semi liquid targets. Try 2 liter plastic bottles ( empty soda pop bottles) filled with water. It will make a spectacular demo.
Thanks for your comment and for watching. See my Rock Chuck videos for what I use these rifles on. The 22-250 has the edge for longer shots.
Impressive shooting 22 250 group is definitely much tighter
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I love both ,have killed just as many critters with each. I give the accuracy edge to 223 but that's just my experience. In Arizona when I visit my brother nothing better for either of us there then a 70 grain nosler ballistic tip out of our 243s. Thanks Dave I really enjoy your videos.
.243 win is a great choice also. Thanks for your kind comment.
Dave. Good video. Great shooting. That .22-250 group is one of the best I have ever seen! Thanks for sharing and take care.
Thanks Bobcat.
223 = 222mag.
I like both calibers and have both but I like 22 250. I'd love to have a 22 250 in that Remington 700. Beautiful and shoots great.
Thanks for your comment and for watching. Both are great for predator/varmints.
Great group 22/250 just like I used to shoot with my brand new 788 Remington 22/250 ❤
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Nice presentation! I was surprised with the accuracy of both.The .223 is way cheaper to shoot and I was impressed with the AR-15's dead on accuracy!!
Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
I love this channel, simple, straightforward and honest ;) As to the 2 cartridges, I've never owned a 22-250 although I've looked at them a few times. IMO too small of a bullet for deer, too fast/ powerful for prairie dogs, but I know a lot of guys who hunt coyotes (I don't) who swear by it, and I can see why :)
Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
a.amantine or @T Killer is dropping hogs with one shot. Hogs are a lot tougher than deer.
Iwas a 22-250 shooter for years out of a Ruger #1. Well, a few years ago i was bitten by the AR bug. I'm gittin up there in years ,my hiking & hunting days are over,but i still setup for varmints , from prarie dogs to coyotes. Other than ARs in various calibers, i surely missed my '250. Then i came across the 22nosler-- so i orderd a 24" cmmg upper and an assortment of ammo. I am impressed and quite happy..
22 Nosler in a MSR configuation sounds like a great combo. Thanks for watching.
I have shot thousands of rounds of both--both cartridges will do their job if you do yours--the difference is strictly less hold over the with the 22-250 which is just a screaming eagle round--in the 80's I had a Rem 700 with a bull barrel and it was utterly amazing just how flat shooting it was--just point and click out to 400-500 yards. We went crow hunting in the Missouri Rivers bottoms east of KC one time--we didn't think anything of shooting 500+ yards in the flat bottom land. Out came 3 Coyotes at 700+ yards--they were trotting--I told my friend give a whistle in about 10 seconds.. He whistled and they stopped--I just did a mild hold over on the lead dog and clicked--POOF! I don't think I would have made that same shot with a 223, but I have to tell you, that the 223 has so many custom rounds now, that it's a close shave with the 22-250.
GREAT video! I am subscribed now!
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"point and click out to 4/500yds"....dream on fella...I've shot and owned a 22-250 and I can assure you you're talking bullshit along with a huge dose of exaggeration!
I have the same BDL rifle but the bolt is on the other side. Shoots great, like yours.
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Awesome video thanks love the hat and the guns you shoot!
Thanks for watching.
Great video and shooting sir👍🏻💪🏻
I'm a 22-250 guy as well👌🏻
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Wow you explain exceptionally well sir.
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I had that exact same 700 in1980 dosent get any better wish I had it back
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Move 'em on, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em on,
Move 'em on, head 'em up, rawhide!
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in,
Ride 'em in, let 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in, rawhide!
RAWHIDE!!!
Your intro always makes me want to sing this!
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reminds me of barracuda by heart.
Thank you for your video of the compairson between the 22-250 and your 223, I had them both, mine was both savage models. I used to reload my own ammo and for both I used Hornady 50 and 55 gr with different type of tips like balastik tip palmar tips and a few others. And I got all my groupings with in one half inch of each other. I changed the synthitic stocks on both the 223 and the 22-250 to custom stocks I bought from the us and with the 22-250 I also put a timneys trig and I adjusted it to 2lbs. And my scope was a Vortex 10-40x50 . And on the 223 I had a vortex 6-24x 40 and I can tell you that what you said about weather it was the hammer or nail well I believe in what you said that it is both. I live in Canada so here we have two dollar coins called tunies with brass in the center and I use to tape a coin to each target and put them out at 300 yarda and I was able to knock the brass center out of the coins. And at 2 handreds yards I would take golf balls paint them orange the drill a hole in them, put a string through them and hang them at the 2 handreds yard Mark let them swing from side to side and with both the 223 and the 22-250 I could hit them off of the string. I spent many hours at the range prefecting my shooting. And I only had the pleasure of taking one coyote with my 22-250 and it was a one shot one kill deal. Lover both of my varmint guns.
Thanks for watching and for your experiences.
Well If you say so but that's quite the embellished story there bud
I use both. Great calibers. Great vid Dave
Thanks David and thanks for your service.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 yvw Dave
Great to see the traditional bolt action. I'm a swing the hammer over pneumatic guy. One step faster is my 45 year old 220 swift.
Great cartridge! Thanks for watching.
Very good job
Thanks for watching.
Those are pretty good drawings. I like the "angry" one on the left. That BDL was a tack driving sledgehammer for sure. No varmint would be safe from either of those rifles with you on the trigger at whatever distance you were comfortable shooting from.
William, Thanks for the kind words. Truth be told, I miss more often than I should. Maybe that is why I have gravitated to the MSR rifles in the last 3 years, HaHa.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Live vs xerox is always completely different. That paper doesn't hop around like a critter.
@@williamgaines9784 We shall see somewhere around May.
Both are great choices. I think it just depends on what kind of varmint shootings are going to do. For high-volume squirrel / Prairie Dog Days four to five hundred animals 223 all day less recoil last report scaring off Critters and most importantly less Barrel Heat.
Agree! Thanks for watching
Good video man.
Thanks for watching.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 really like your portable rifle rack...
In you analogy, folks need to take in location in the country/terrain. I'm in NC, with alot of pine, hardwood and scrub, getting a shot on a coyote in excess of 300 yards is very rare unless you have access to farm fields with short, or no crop. Out west, I think a fella would be a fool to not predator hunt with a 22-250, but for me a .223 bolt or gas gun is a perfect tool for the job, with a shotgun lying close by!
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Same where I'm at in Michigan. A shot over 200 yards is a rarity unless you're on a farmers field.
Shooting a s&w m&p Hornady v max dead on out to 200 yards inch high at 100 105 groundhogs so far this year was shooting 22-250 when I find shells about double 223
Glad you worked out the "Hammer and Nails" for your needs. Thanks for watching.
22-250 all day for shooting coyotes.
223 will do it too. It's all in what your good with. Good video.
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Never mind the video! This man
Can shoot.
Ayooo lmaooo exactly what i was thinking
I enjoy both but it just depends on the situation. My .22-250 is a heavy barrel varmint rig (Remington 700 VS), so if I’m stationary and shooting any real distance it’s probably best. My .223 is a Ruger M77 that has better accuracy than I can understand and it’s much lighter and way cheaper to shoot.
Yes, Agree. Rifle weight in the field can make a difference. Glad you have both. Thanks for watching.
My first deer was taken by a 22-250
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You don’t go wrong with either. The advantage of the 223 is the AR platform and quick follow up for multiple critters. The 223 is easier to find as well as available in more factory offerings.
The 22-250 offers range beyond what most are capable of utilizing.
Both offer great accuracy and neither is a bad choice for varmints or predators.
Agreed. Thanks for watching.
great shooting both rifles very accurate, The Remington a bit better
Thanks for watching.
Trick question
The shooter is more important
Choose whatever you’re more confident with and can shoot more
223 is better because I don’t have a 22-50 rifle . 223 ammo is easier to find on the store shelves as well.
That 22-50 rifle is better made rifle , and way more accurate
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I have always said that a 22 250 can do anything a 223 can do and do it better
Agreed, but slow barrel twist can be a limiting factor for anything heavier than 60 grain bullets. Maybe manufacturers will make faster twist barrels for heavier 22 cal bullets.
Thanks for taking the time to do this video. I'm trying to decide which would be best for fox for me here in the UK.
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Nice shooting sir
Thanks for watching.
Nice review sir
Glad you liked it!
As a compromise 223 . Less barrel wear , cheap ammo still same damage !
Partially agree, but the 22-250 adds additional range. Thanks for your comment.
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Remington stopped making the model 700 BDL in the 22-250 what a big mistake.
I did not know that. Thanks for your info.
I'm a 22-250 Ithaca guy but an honest video. Both have a purpose
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great video, friend
Thanks for watching.
Own both, love both but in the real world the only thing the 22-250 has got over the 223 is power, speed and less wind drift over a set distance
223 is much cheaper to shoot or reload, more barrel twist options available for different bullet weights, ammo availability, longer barrel life, less recoil (not that a 22-250 has much recoil).
Get the one you want, most varmints won't know the difference
Agreed. Thanks for your comment here.
I purchased a Tikka T3X Varmint in 223. I had purchased it as l enjoy shoting and was looking for something not too expensive. Now l wish l had purchased a 22-250 orr a 243.
Well l guess l can use it for small game and for the coyotes l can use my 308 or 3006.
A .223 is more than powerful enough to take coyote's, with a 50-68 grain bullet.
You love ''old fashion walnut stock", it is nicer than plastic one. The only flaw, two different rifles were used: a nice bold action and a semi-auto.
No flaw. Most .223/5.56 are sold in a MSR platform. Thanks for watching.
Love that BDL! Yellow-bellied marmots beware!
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Well- the 250 has 500fps over the 223 when handloaded properly. So if you are looking for spectacular terminal performance on target, the 250 is superior. If you are looking for less pelt damage on a furbearer, the 223 is “better”. Accuracy can be the same, all things being equal.
MY 250 shoots that ALL day with my 50gr V-max handloads . @ 3950 fps out of my Savage model 12 BVSS ...
Sako 22-250 with 1-8” twist barrel 73gr at 3500 fps
Morning Dave!!
Haha. Like tha way ya thinking!!
Glad you detected my attempt at humor, My style of presentation sometimes rub people the wrong way. Did you get a new pup yet?
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 OOH MAN. If it was just me, Id of had a new pup within a month!!! Momma said she cant handle loosing another.
So, no we dont have a dog.
It bothers me, but marriages are give and take. 🙏🙏☘️💪🏼☘️
I chose the 223 over the 250, here's why...when I bought it i couldn't find a 250 in a faster twist that 12. I have a 223 with a twist of 8, slower yes...but I also have the capability to shoot and stabilize heavy bullets for longer range and less wind deflection. I think front a target shooter/handloading perspective the 223 is superior. That being said...there are now 250s with 8 twist, I'd like to try a 77/80gr bullet to how she does at 700 yards or more. It would be interesting to say the least.
Thanks for you input and for watching.
I shoot a fast twist .22br...equal to a 22-250 in power.. superior in accuracy using a LOT LESS powder..
Good information I have and shoot both, but i’m old school the guns are great but the shooter makes them work.
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1:40 I like your shooting table.
I’ve had a couple rifles chambered in 22-250 and they shot clover leaves like that. My son bought the cheapest win model 70 from Walmart and his shot like that also…. I’m seeing a pattern here.
The cartridge is very efficient. Also speed minimizes external ballistic deviations, especially at ranges up to 100 yards. Thanks for your comment and for watching.
I think I shot the 40gn Winchester loads quite good at 100yd and would spin a coyote like a top.
I've used both..both do very well..But I find the 22-250 got a little more range..
Agree.
Hey Dave, great targets . . . a work of art for sure.
Bullet weights for the 22-250. Have you found a grain weight that works better than others
as far as the 22-250 goes? Your bolt action is a tack driver.
Thanks for your question. Yes, mu Remington m700 has a rifle barrel twist of 1/14. Therefore for me 50 gn to 55 grain Vmax work well.
If you can afford the ammo then the 22.250 but if you shoot on a budget and usually hunt within 300 yds then it's the 223 all day long.
Good point.
Here in oz the 22/250 has always been a favourite but the .223 has edged way in from just the sheer cost
Of ammo especially among professional shooters
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22.50 obviously, but a 223 is all I have, it works just fine. Cartridge means less than the bullet, which means less than the shooter.
Well said. I will just add that speed for a flatter trajectory aids the shooter to extend MPBR. Thanks for watching.
Like this guy he cut throw the bs right off the bat
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@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 no prob u might like my channel if u want to check it out. I was hunting for a bolt action 223 when I saw ut video, and decide to watch it glad I did.
@@McDanielRanch Only problem with an AR-15 platform is they don't fit a saddle scabbard.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 saw were Henry makes a 223 lever looks fun
@@McDanielRanch Lever or bolt action rifles are a better choice for a saddle scabbard. Stay off those
"Froggy young colts" that can be painful and expensive.🤠
I load my 223 varmint loads around 3900 rpms
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Hammer or nail? I think the carpenter is the most important.
Agree, but it helps to have the right tools for the job at hand. Thanks for watching.
Wow. what a group with the 22-250. Great video. What's the B.C. for the 22-250?
B.C.- .2350. for a 55 grain. Use to be called Nosler Combined technology. (Winchester Silvertip line). They don't make them in a 22 cal anymore. But Nosler still makes them in other calibers.
I want a 22 250 .
It's a crying shame that someone feels the need to throw out that many disclaimers to post a video.
What happened to this country?
TH-cam editors are very stricted indeed.
22-250 🐺🐺 👍👍👍👍👍 !!🤗🤗
The 22-250 is the nail gun. That little bastard is a legend. No other round can stabilize the same range of bullet weight. Imagine a 270. Seated with a 350gr bullet 🤯
The 17 stinger.
223 for me 👍
Need more detail on the bullets.
55 grain V-Max, handloads. 55gn Nosler Varmageddon Black coated, handloads.
I don't think the varmint care if shot by a 223 or a 22-250. The varmint is equally dead.
Agree, but sometimes flatter shooting due to higher velocity can make a difference, at distance on whether or not the varmint is hit. Thanks for watching
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I fire 52 grain bullets at 3300 FPS. The bullet looses velocity rather fast compared to a 6.5 mm . BC for my 223 is .229 whereas the 6.5 BC is .580. Essentially the 223 bullet looses velocity twice as fast as the 6.5.
Though the 223 is able to be effective to 600 yards, I find firing to a maximum of 300 is practical. Anything beyond 300 the wind and drop becomes more random. Besides seeing a small target beyond 300 yards is not easy.
@@christopherbasham2179 Agree, on .223 to 350 yards. 22-250 to 500 yards. Both get to the target faster @ speeds of 3,200 and 3,700 respectively. BC's are a bit of a mystery to me ( you have to trust ballisticians test data) I do not target shoot beyond ethical hunting distances and my own personal skill limits to make the hit.
It is the one wielding the hammer. The rest is moot.
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GOOD SHOOTIN!
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If you load for foot pounds then I can see that . But feet per second is not comparsable. Including twist and barrel length. I know it hard to do an actual test. but energery is more comparasiable.
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My savage 22-250 shoots about .5 moa, another one i had shot .75 moa, not bad, but my ruger m77 in .223 shoots 1/3 moa... just my guns, this is not typical. It really don't make that much difference imo..
Big difference in velocity and flatter shooting between the two cartridges.
22.250!
I owned a -250 once in a Browning Medallion or maybe it was a Micro Medallion, I forget which, but I loved it and killed several deer with it. I've also had a pair of .223s...one a Remington Model 700 Classic and an AR. I don't think much of that round except as a defensive round in the AR platform.
Oddly enough though I hunt deer with handholds in my .22 Hornet. With that round I shoot them in the white patch under their throats, at ranges around 100 yards or so, and that little 45 grainer breaks their necks and drops them in their tracks. I would not take that shot with a .223 or -250 though because of the grizzly result of a high speed 55 grainer that, at range would do immense damage to the tissue.
Thanks for your comment and for watching. Much appreciated. As with any rifle/cartridge combo, shot placement is paramount.
223 is everywhere, and less than half the price of the 22-250 ammo. So, you can shoot 23- x the amount of practice ammo with 223 than you can with 22-250. Does 2-3 x the practice time make up for 400 fps ??? AND, you can lots of LPVO glass with 223 BDC reticles negating the need for mental adjustments for holds ???
All good questions indeed. From a hunters viewpoint only, more velocity means flatter shooting and more energy for "Terminal" performance on an animal. For the hand loader the only price difference between the 223 vs 22-250 is 11 grains more powder in the 22-250.
223 cheap and lots of options in a bolt gun
Thanks for your comment here. I agree is you buy factory ammo only.
I couldn't draw targets that If I tried
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