The thing about giving solutions when a person is complaining might be more comparable to the Aesop fable of the bathing boy. To put it briefly; a boy was bathing in a lake but went out too far and began to drown. As he cried out for help a traveling scholar came by. Instead of helping the boy though the scholar simply began to lecture him. The boy cried out; "Rescue me now, sir, and save the lecture for later." Now the moral in the version I have (Aesop. "The Fables of Aesop." Book-of-the-Month Club, New York. 1995. p132. Print.) says that "Counsel without aide is useless." In other words; it's all fine and good to say 'Well you should do this that and the other thing' when you're not the one who has to do those things and don't have to take any of the steps to complete the solution. Something tells me even those who said to Brady 'oh just download another app' would have been less likely to have given that 'advice' if they actually had to help him search and down load it and set it up and make sure that it worked with all of his other apps etc...
l haven't checked out one of these vids in a Long time, but now that l did it made me realise just how nice it is to listen to their voices. It could really help me soothe to sleep in the evenings :)
I'm definitely with Brady. Listen to random episodes as TH-cam recommends them, but watch every new release when I can. Hence why I'm here, 4 years later :D
As I've now made it to episode #67. I thought I would comment on the discussion at roughly 00:18:00. I am listening to your podcast in reverse order! I found out that you existed after episode #77 and I'm working my way to episode #1 (but will listen to episode #78 when it comes out). Time traveller.
I have symptoms consistent with moderate to severe damage to the corpus callosum meaning I'm basically a split brain patient without the surgery. One thing that's interesting is that I know a version of sign language and so I'm actually able to sign with both hands. Sometimes I find myself giving an answer verbally while simultaneously signing it. I find it super annoying and at least once or twice I've kinda snapped at myself and been like "I DON'T NEED THE HELP, I KNOW THE ANSWER." But sometimes I actually don't know the answer. It's kinda weird, it took a long time to get the hang of multiple choice tests because my instinct is to read with one side and answer with the other which doesn't work. Eventually I was able to start delegating the entire task to the silent side and it makes me super quick at the tests. I put a star by any I need both sides to think about then just circle the rest of the answers. I don't have any conscious memory of even reading the questions and if you ask me five minutes after the test whether or not a certain question was on it, I won't actually know even though I can give you the same answer I put on the quiz. Sometimes when I'm doing writing projects I'll just delegate it and be like "I need a paper this size on this topic by that date". Then the day I put the timer on comes and I sit down and just start typing. I will sometimes include jokes and since I didn't know the joke before I typed it, I'll start laughing. Silent letters habitually confuse me and I'll usually just have to add them while editing. Sometimes I only type or write part of a word and then I have to use context clues to fill in the rest of it. In general it can be annoying but you make do with what you've got.
The other issue with "Give solutions, not just sympathy" is that a lot of the time, people already know the solutions. Or, they know the solutions don't work but keep being told them anyways. Like people suffering from chronic pain who are constantly told "Just do yoga" and the like, as though they've never thought to try that, and nobody else has thought to suggest that, in the 10 years it's been an issue. If people want to give advice, maybe start off with "Do you need help?" or something, to indicate that you have ideas without just barging in with them.
Ahh you've got it fully backwards Brady. Once i've got a really good problem to whine about, it really cheeses me when someone comes up with a solution and takes away all my reasons for whining.
About free will- Free will and a deterministic universe are not contradictory. You have to do what your brain decides to do, but you are your brain. Having to do what you decide to do isn't a lack of free will. You might not always be aware of the thoughts leading to your actions or the thoughts leading to other thoughts, but it's still you, just with a limited degree of self-awareness. About the split brain- It's probably a real phenomenon. There are lots of other weird effects like this. Here's an example. Each hemisphere as a pair of pathways for vision (side note: and probably pairs for some other senses, as well). One is the "what" pathway, which identifies objects, and the other is the "where" pathway, which identifies where things are. When the "what" pathway is damaged, the person cannot recognize objects but still knows where they are (source: brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/126/11/2463). Point to an object, and he or she won't know what you're pointing at, but can still walk around it. There are other weird results of lesions elsewhere, like blindness but still pointing to an object when asked to guess where it is. Consciousness is probably distributed because the brain uses distributed processing, so it makes sense for consciousness to split when the brain splits. If underlying brain functions give rise to consciousness, consciousness might be sort of distributed and sort of divided between regions, simultaneously, depending on the situation, or both. There are not clear borders between functional regions (unlike for some anatomical regions) because each region is functionally linked to a bunch of other regions.
its called venting. i do it a lot about computer issues or game issues. yeah, in theory i could write a patch that fixes that issue, but in that moment of time i need to fix my emotions and venting does that.
Unless there is some reason that I must go forward (Say, a on going plot), I always do almost anything from back to front. If I am to get hooked on whatever I am reading/watching/listening to, it always makes more sense to me to watch the newer, more polished episodes first to see if I may be interested in the older, likely less polished parts. I am actually doing this right now.
It's hilarious how they talk about listening to a podcast in reverse order because this is the first "up to date" episode I've seen, while i'm also on episode 37 going in the other direction.
Wow it's hilarious to me that Brady would say that his award was humbling. Like, all these other people getting awards, they're just posturing and trying to look good when they say they're humbled, but me i'm _actually_ humbled
holy crap! there's a lot of things I really like about grey, but that attitude about not ever lending a sympathetic ear... that's called "judge and jury listening," and it's really, REALLY bad for your interpersonal relationships... How has he not heard about this?!
+monkeymacman It doesn't matter for the barista at starbucks, who (hopefully) doesn't rely on Grey for emotional support. But with friends and loved ones, your listening skills are really critical to having a good relationship.
You haven't heard the bits in other podcasts where they talk about his wife? From what I've gathered she likely agrees with his stance on this. They're cut from the same cloth.
***** The way you're blowing off steam right now about being the minority in your community is really a waste of time. Why don't you just ignore those people and stop complaining, wouldn't that solve the problem?
I love how Brady vents about just wanting to vent and not receive solutions, and Grey gives solutions. makes me think Brady's a bit of a masochist :) lol
Isn't this a new episode? I thought the last one was #66? Or are you referring to the fact that it was - again - released on youtube much later than on any of the other channels?
Re:Split brains. I look forward to being able to cleanly, temporarily and harmlessly anesthetize half of a brain, to investigate what the other half can do.
agree with brady on the advice part at around the 30min mark, it feels invalidating when people try to tell you what you should do etc. instead of just being there to listen. there are times where you don't even need to find a solution, just letting it out makes you feel better
i completely agree with grey on the split brain conversation that it's the only logical conclusion. and its both fortunate for people but unfortunate for science that we cant do test on this anymore
I don't feel like any of CGP Grey's comments about reddit comments, youtube comments, etc, to be true muchless I find it's just his preference. I've seen different content creators instruct their audiences to leave comments that are polar opposites of what Doctor Brady and Grey instruct in this video.
In regards to Brexit, we should consider that the House of Lords can basically veto it and say, "nope, this is not happening". This is a good solution because it stops Brexit however it's undemocratic because the House of Lords are not elected but are basically appointed "nobles". They don't do this often but the House of Lords can in theory overpower the House of Commons on this matter.
when I first started listening to the podcast I started going in reverse order from the newest episode and it didn't really matter, it worked quite fine, then I gave up because I only have time to watch Hello Internet episodes about whenever they come out. Although I also still sort of watch this the way Brady said he listens to new podcasts
Great episode! - Congrats Brady for your honorary doctorate ! - I enjoyed also your comments on vacations and adventures (this was maybe in the previous episode) - Regarding the topic about complaining you sounded more like my wife ;-) But that was interesting discussion. Keep on the good show.
Around 1hour 23minutes what Grey was saying about binding two halves of different brains together made me think of fusions in Dragon Ball and how it makes the mind of a fusion make sense... Neeeeeeerrrrrrrd!
I believe that the argument of free will is a little pointless. The resin is because the end result is the same, if we have free will, we feel, learn and grow. If we don't have free will, then we feel learn and grow. In both worlds the same actions and reactions take place there is no difference. idk that's just my assumptions.
I'm a little late to this because I just got some time to listen to the podcast. It's a little interesting hearing what Grey and Brady think about the, "You Are Two," idea. When I first say Grey's video I thought that it was just another way to talk about the conscious and unconscious minds: you have the conscious mind that makes physical decisions for the body in question, but you also have the unconscious mind that takes care of all the bodily functions. I may be completely off on the way I understood the talk of the studies, but I find that to be a more interesting way to think about the idea than your brain being two separate entities after being bisected.
There is a corrective nature to the internet - a joke in wow is that its better to state wrong information out and be corrected with the right info than to ask for the info. But this sounds like him saying 'dont help me just help me'. Not every social interaction is perfect and complaining (what felt like) endlessly about it is obnoxious.
The way Grey and Brady had to be the spokespeople for Brexit at every social engagement last year... that's how it is for Americans now when they're Abroad. :-( Everybody wants me to explain Trump and I keep saying, "I donno, it wasn't my idea!" Hahahaha...
1:32:26 This is a completely unfair representation of the complaint, Grey. And I have a hard time believing that someone who explains things for a living is so baffled by the idea that how you say something affects how other people interpret it. If you're uncertain about something, you need to express that uncertainty. If it doesn't come across in your voice, it needs to come across in your words. It's all fine and well to say _now_ that you're uncertain about a lot of things, but if you want people to understand that when you _actually talk about the things,_ you can't talk like you're so cocksure about everything all the time.
Hello dr. Brady, congratulations with your (sort of) doctorate. But on Ted.com there is a video about a brain scientist going through a brain hemmorage. I believe it is called "the stroke of insight". That video has changed my view concerning the "two different brains in one brain" side of life.
I see it like a two sided coin. They are obviously very different (they always face opposite ways) but you need both to make a coin. It's another sign of the duality of nature.
@36 minutes: Brady suffers from a classic case of being insufferable, or in the more common parlance, English. You don't have to actually be a Brit to show symptoms, though. The constant clouds and rain will make anyone wallow in misery.
"you definitely deserve it, doctor brady haran" that's a super touching moment
I love how Grey immediately tried to give Brady advice on not liking advice as soon as he mentioned it.
So it's...Sherlock Grey and Dr John Haran now?
When Brady complains about complaints being met with solutions... Grey offered a possible solution.
The thing about giving solutions when a person is complaining might be more comparable to the Aesop fable of the bathing boy. To put it briefly; a boy was bathing in a lake but went out too far and began to drown. As he cried out for help a traveling scholar came by. Instead of helping the boy though the scholar simply began to lecture him. The boy cried out; "Rescue me now, sir, and save the lecture for later."
Now the moral in the version I have (Aesop. "The Fables of Aesop." Book-of-the-Month Club, New York. 1995. p132. Print.) says that "Counsel without aide is useless." In other words; it's all fine and good to say 'Well you should do this that and the other thing' when you're not the one who has to do those things and don't have to take any of the steps to complete the solution. Something tells me even those who said to Brady 'oh just download another app' would have been less likely to have given that 'advice' if they actually had to help him search and down load it and set it up and make sure that it worked with all of his other apps etc...
l haven't checked out one of these vids in a Long time, but now that l did it made me realise just how nice it is to listen to their voices. It could really help me soothe to sleep in the evenings :)
29:04 - 40:13
This is the greatest Hello Internet segment in history.
Sloppy Buns gets second place.
I don't know why, but I find that I do more homework when listening to these podcasts.
40:04 for one of the funniest moments in HI history
hi story
I'm definitely with Brady. Listen to random episodes as TH-cam recommends them, but watch every new release when I can. Hence why I'm here, 4 years later :D
As I've now made it to episode #67. I thought I would comment on the discussion at roughly 00:18:00.
I am listening to your podcast in reverse order! I found out that you existed after episode #77 and I'm working my way to episode #1 (but will listen to episode #78 when it comes out). Time traveller.
It's called a lance! A jousting stick is called a lance. *smh*
O-ooh! I just now realized what "smh" stands for...
I always suspected it meant either "so much hate" or "suck my hole"... :-/
What? Doesn't it stand for so much hate?
Doctor Bonkus shaking my head
Doctor Bonkus Only haters think lances are jousting sticks! :-P lol (at least you didn't think it was "suck my hole," like I did)
I love how it ends with Grey groaning
I have symptoms consistent with moderate to severe damage to the corpus callosum meaning I'm basically a split brain patient without the surgery. One thing that's interesting is that I know a version of sign language and so I'm actually able to sign with both hands. Sometimes I find myself giving an answer verbally while simultaneously signing it. I find it super annoying and at least once or twice I've kinda snapped at myself and been like "I DON'T NEED THE HELP, I KNOW THE ANSWER." But sometimes I actually don't know the answer. It's kinda weird, it took a long time to get the hang of multiple choice tests because my instinct is to read with one side and answer with the other which doesn't work. Eventually I was able to start delegating the entire task to the silent side and it makes me super quick at the tests. I put a star by any I need both sides to think about then just circle the rest of the answers. I don't have any conscious memory of even reading the questions and if you ask me five minutes after the test whether or not a certain question was on it, I won't actually know even though I can give you the same answer I put on the quiz. Sometimes when I'm doing writing projects I'll just delegate it and be like "I need a paper this size on this topic by that date". Then the day I put the timer on comes and I sit down and just start typing. I will sometimes include jokes and since I didn't know the joke before I typed it, I'll start laughing. Silent letters habitually confuse me and I'll usually just have to add them while editing. Sometimes I only type or write part of a word and then I have to use context clues to fill in the rest of it. In general it can be annoying but you make do with what you've got.
The other issue with "Give solutions, not just sympathy" is that a lot of the time, people already know the solutions. Or, they know the solutions don't work but keep being told them anyways. Like people suffering from chronic pain who are constantly told "Just do yoga" and the like, as though they've never thought to try that, and nobody else has thought to suggest that, in the 10 years it's been an issue. If people want to give advice, maybe start off with "Do you need help?" or something, to indicate that you have ideas without just barging in with them.
I have to admit, Brady complaining about people giving advice drove me nuts.
you could have skipped ahead
i mean * pats back * we all had to listen to him complaining...we got through it lol
+chillitz best answers ever
Still, you must be able to relate. Sometimes you complain just to complain and get things of your chest, not to get advice on how to change it.
I know, it sounded like he was saying. if someone tells you a problem they have just respond with "yah... I don't care"
Meanwhile, me watching in totally random order
Ahh you've got it fully backwards Brady. Once i've got a really good problem to whine about, it really cheeses me when someone comes up with a solution and takes away all my reasons for whining.
About free will-
Free will and a deterministic universe are not contradictory. You have to do what your brain decides to do, but you are your brain. Having to do what you decide to do isn't a lack of free will. You might not always be aware of the thoughts leading to your actions or the thoughts leading to other thoughts, but it's still you, just with a limited degree of self-awareness.
About the split brain-
It's probably a real phenomenon.
There are lots of other weird effects like this. Here's an example. Each hemisphere as a pair of pathways for vision (side note: and probably pairs for some other senses, as well). One is the "what" pathway, which identifies objects, and the other is the "where" pathway, which identifies where things are. When the "what" pathway is damaged, the person cannot recognize objects but still knows where they are (source: brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/126/11/2463). Point to an object, and he or she won't know what you're pointing at, but can still walk around it. There are other weird results of lesions elsewhere, like blindness but still pointing to an object when asked to guess where it is.
Consciousness is probably distributed because the brain uses distributed processing, so it makes sense for consciousness to split when the brain splits.
If underlying brain functions give rise to consciousness, consciousness might be sort of distributed and sort of divided between regions, simultaneously, depending on the situation, or both. There are not clear borders between functional regions (unlike for some anatomical regions) because each region is functionally linked to a bunch of other regions.
**says don't upload 40 minute youtube video** **people listening to the podcast here are watching an almost 2 hour long video**
whats the extension you use to save articles on your browser grey ?
its called venting. i do it a lot about computer issues or game issues. yeah, in theory i could write a patch that fixes that issue, but in that moment of time i need to fix my emotions and venting does that.
Unless there is some reason that I must go forward (Say, a on going plot), I always do almost anything from back to front. If I am to get hooked on whatever I am reading/watching/listening to, it always makes more sense to me to watch the newer, more polished episodes first to see if I may be interested in the older, likely less polished parts. I am actually doing this right now.
It's hilarious how they talk about listening to a podcast in reverse order because this is the first "up to date" episode I've seen, while i'm also on episode 37 going in the other direction.
Wow it's hilarious to me that Brady would say that his award was humbling. Like, all these other people getting awards, they're just posturing and trying to look good when they say they're humbled, but me i'm _actually_ humbled
At least he didn't say that in the actual speech
It was so funny when Grey didn't know where the olympics were being held. How does one even escape that news!?
I did not know either, and easy: don't watch TV and don't read the news.
It seemed more like he didn't know it was happening at all
The Grey Bubble works in wondrous ways.
holy crap! there's a lot of things I really like about grey, but that attitude about not ever lending a sympathetic ear... that's called "judge and jury listening," and it's really, REALLY bad for your interpersonal relationships... How has he not heard about this?!
As he always says he tries to avoid human interaction when at all possible, I doubt he cares
+monkeymacman It doesn't matter for the barista at starbucks, who (hopefully) doesn't rely on Grey for emotional support. But with friends and loved ones, your listening skills are really critical to having a good relationship.
You haven't heard the bits in other podcasts where they talk about his wife? From what I've gathered she likely agrees with his stance on this. They're cut from the same cloth.
***** so I should jump off of my bandwagon and onto yours, essentially?
***** The way you're blowing off steam right now about being the minority in your community is really a waste of time. Why don't you just ignore those people and stop complaining, wouldn't that solve the problem?
Grey has an authoritative voice? He really is Saruman then, with a mind of metal and wheels!
I love how Brady vents about just wanting to vent and not receive solutions, and Grey gives solutions. makes me think Brady's a bit of a masochist :) lol
Thank you Grey, and... I'm right behind you! Made yah look.
This made me think there was a new episode :/
Isn't this a new episode? I thought the last one was #66?
Or are you referring to the fact that it was - again - released on youtube much later than on any of the other channels?
+Seegal Galguntijak It was taken down and reuploaded because the audio was terrible. Because it was previously uploaded, it's not new.
Margaret Madole Oh, I didn't notice that. Thanks for the info!
Re:Split brains.
I look forward to being able to cleanly, temporarily and harmlessly anesthetize half of a brain, to investigate what the other half can do.
agree with brady on the advice part at around the 30min mark, it feels invalidating when people try to tell you what you should do etc. instead of just being there to listen. there are times where you don't even need to find a solution, just letting it out makes you feel better
After episode 108, this episode has gotten more amusing in hindsight
i completely agree with grey on the split brain conversation that it's the only logical conclusion. and its both fortunate for people but unfortunate for science that we cant do test on this anymore
I don't feel like any of CGP Grey's comments about reddit comments, youtube comments, etc, to be true muchless I find it's just his preference. I've seen different content creators instruct their audiences to leave comments that are polar opposites of what Doctor Brady and Grey instruct in this video.
it is strange hearing Grey being perplexed about conciousness
In regards to Brexit, we should consider that the House of Lords can basically veto it and say, "nope, this is not happening". This is a good solution because it stops Brexit however it's undemocratic because the House of Lords are not elected but are basically appointed "nobles". They don't do this often but the House of Lords can in theory overpower the House of Commons on this matter.
1:02:40 That was adorable.
Great episode, but the footage is just a 15 second gif! Come on, at least make it 16 seconds!
Grey made an uh-oh, lol
when I first started listening to the podcast I started going in reverse order from the newest episode and it didn't really matter, it worked quite fine, then I gave up because I only have time to watch Hello Internet episodes about whenever they come out. Although I also still sort of watch this the way Brady said he listens to new podcasts
Great episode!
- Congrats Brady for your honorary doctorate !
- I enjoyed also your comments on vacations and adventures (this was maybe in the previous episode)
- Regarding the topic about complaining you sounded more like my wife ;-) But that was interesting discussion.
Keep on the good show.
What's with the reupload?
Because the last one had fucked up audio.
you Know you dont have much time when you haven't seen the previous hello internet podcast episode
Around 1hour 23minutes what Grey was saying about binding two halves of different brains together made me think of fusions in Dragon Ball and how it makes the mind of a fusion make sense... Neeeeeeerrrrrrrd!
I believe that the argument of free will is a little pointless. The resin is because the end result is the same, if we have free will, we feel, learn and grow. If we don't have free will, then we feel learn and grow. In both worlds the same actions and reactions take place there is no difference. idk that's just my assumptions.
Brady is just like my wife. No solutions, just an "arm around you". Drives me crazy. But I #lovemywife and #lovebrady
I'm a little late to this because I just got some time to listen to the podcast. It's a little interesting hearing what Grey and Brady think about the, "You Are Two," idea. When I first say Grey's video I thought that it was just another way to talk about the conscious and unconscious minds: you have the conscious mind that makes physical decisions for the body in question, but you also have the unconscious mind that takes care of all the bodily functions. I may be completely off on the way I understood the talk of the studies, but I find that to be a more interesting way to think about the idea than your brain being two separate entities after being bisected.
There is a corrective nature to the internet - a joke in wow is that its better to state wrong information out and be corrected with the right info than to ask for the info. But this sounds like him saying 'dont help me just help me'. Not every social interaction is perfect and complaining (what felt like) endlessly about it is obnoxious.
Grey, you should read On Intelligence if you're interested in AI and high level theories about the brain and thought.
The way Grey and Brady had to be the spokespeople for Brexit at every social engagement last year... that's how it is for Americans now when they're Abroad. :-( Everybody wants me to explain Trump and I keep saying, "I donno, it wasn't my idea!" Hahahaha...
Wait, are those hats CGI?
Those aren't true toys! Betrayal!
grey.... golf should be in the games
CGP Grey disagrees with everything. I bet he even disagrees with this statement.
What's up, Doc?
I'm confused
58:30
31:20
I clicked off the podcast and when I came back...it had disappeared
Please dont listen to Brady about 'We are two' Grey. He is Trumping this issue.
THERE A BBC POLITICS PODCAST WHY NOBODY TELL ME??!!!!
there is a BBC politics podcast
:-P
*OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
academicned6 don't take the Lord's name in vain, jesus! ;-P
great know people are going to stone me
you should be more click baity because clickbait is okay when quality is so amazing....
gratz Brady
Hail Hans.
brady you make me angry in this video about the brain stuff. but congratulations on the honorary doctorate!
snooker is super boring but I literally spend 6h watching it on eurosport non stop.
1:32:26 This is a completely unfair representation of the complaint, Grey. And I have a hard time believing that someone who explains things for a living is so baffled by the idea that how you say something affects how other people interpret it. If you're uncertain about something, you need to express that uncertainty. If it doesn't come across in your voice, it needs to come across in your words. It's all fine and well to say _now_ that you're uncertain about a lot of things, but if you want people to understand that when you _actually talk about the things,_ you can't talk like you're so cocksure about everything all the time.
when I first saw the you are two video, my first though was, "can (he/she/it/) wright"
you should do more lord of the rings videos
Hello dr. Brady, congratulations with your (sort of) doctorate. But on Ted.com there is a video about a brain scientist going through a brain hemmorage. I believe it is called "the stroke of insight". That video has changed my view concerning the "two different brains in one brain" side of life.
I see it like a two sided coin. They are obviously very different (they always face opposite ways) but you need both to make a coin. It's another sign of the duality of nature.
freeaaaakkkyyy . why do these talks of consiousness always freak me out
who is watching in 2017
for nepal do the mapperversion, a nepal flag with teeth
The moving background distracted me too much
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Brady suffers from a classic case of being insufferable, or in the more common parlance, English. You don't have to actually be a Brit to show symptoms, though. The constant clouds and rain will make anyone wallow in misery.
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Just my opinion but I really don't like these philosaphy talks
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