Brady, around 20:00, you mention how if everyone in a picture-chain of picture-pointing people pointing at the picture of picture pointing people were to try to be different it would become a sloppy mess, go to www.galaxyzoo.org and classify galaxies for 20 minutes. You see a bunch of elliptical galaxies (the round ones) and every now and then, a spiral. After a while, the spirals start being special and looked forward to. Then, sometimes you'll see a spiral and another galaxy merging and be like "sweet that's really cool". And if you do it for an hour or two, you might find something really, really cool and special. That's what will happen with these picture-pointing people chains. It won't become a slop of people trying to be special.
Well, the galaxies don't get to chose whether or not they are special to a human, but, people on the pictures do get to decide whether or not they can be special. This analogy doesn't work that well.
On the "pointing to the picture" chain, just point to the chain, Photoshop yourself on the start of the chain (The map the guy in painting was pointing to) and wait to see how many people see the change.
(Around 1:32:00) the supply is *not* the hours you have available, it's what you churn out. The hours you have available are only a limiting factor of your supply. Saying the time you have is your supply would mean the supply would remain consistent if in three hours you churned out ten times as much work, which doesn't make sense. The work is the supply.
I don't know if anybody's mentioned it yet, but the dash on the Model 3 shown in the promo video is not the official dash. Unfortunately for Grey, the dash will have more stuff
I will have to disagree with Grey on the dashboard thing. To me it looks ugly, It looks like they stuck a tablet to the dash. If the a screen was above the steering wheel like a lambo I would love it. To each his own though.
+Pajama Senpai Weirdly agree. I'd have preferred to see something flush mounted on the center console. Or like maybe a way to dock an iPad or Android tablet.
+Pajama Senpai Very ugly, and boring. But being a lifelong gearhead, I'm bound to 100% disagree with the "I don't care about cars or internal combustion engines" mentality.
My mom has a 2013 Ford with mostly touchscreen controls for the climate and entertainment systems and I *hate* it. It isn't so bad as a passenger, but when In borrowed it for a week one time I practically had to pull over to change the radio station. You can use knobs and buttons without actually looking at them. Touchscreens not so much.
I'm a hobbyist animator. Do you happen to have any pictures of that ladder you're talking about in 8:10? I want to make this scene a reality but I'd like some reference
gotta really disagree with Grey on the big touchscreen on Teslas being a good thing. There's a reason we still use physical, kinetic knobs and dials. There's easy feedback, you can change things without looking away from the road, and it's pretty much idiotproof. Now with Teslas it's like changing the AC is the equivalent of texting and driving. Not a good thing
im absolutely terrified of heights i used to get vertigo going up more than the 2nd floor of a building i know its all in my head but its a genuine flaw i dont know how to overcome because ive always had this
Why did they upload the podcast first on youtube? I really want to hear it in my way to work, but my podcast aplication says they hadn't upload this podcast yet. Now I'll be late.
+The Power It's some kind of "prayer wheel," which has prayers/mantras on the inside and outside. Spinning a prayer wheel is seen as being similar to speaking the words of the prayer.
I wonder if some of those students listened to this podcast and vaguely remembered that moment when Mr Grey convinced them to get a degree in engineering. Now they're wealthy AND engineers.
+MaybeFactor Brady is from Adelaide, but he now lives in Bristol, England, UK. Plus, I THINK he chose The Mighty Black Stump because it has an ironic name being a skyscraper and all
Do you think covering your costs would be an equivalent to free. If you have costs for doing a service for someone then it should be covered by that person unless you really need to get into a market.
there are tonnes of people that want to be in a creative field and have no training or anything. When you go through a school for a creative field they tell you not to do spec work but when you don't do anything speculative you don't get any work. Its a double edged sword. Advertising agencies will try hard to get people to work on spec
I wanted to say that. It's quite arrogant to think spec work is unique to creative vocations. It may not share the same name. Interns, high end restaurants have a "stáge" period where a person is trying out. Many banquet facilities will prepare a full course dinner for a perspective client. What do they think it is when food samples are being handed out? In a supermarket or a food court it free product in the hopes you buy more.
+Izak Crafford They had a joke about the audience. They referred to a certain guy called Tim who listens to the podcast right now. Of course they have a quater million listeners and there is probably a Tim who would be suprised in that moment. Later they called all listeners Tim.
Attempts to help those "exploited" by spec work would only end up hurting instead. Imagine laws preventing spec work, you have no right to distribute your works how you see fit.
Going to tumblr and realizing how many cartoonists/web comic artist have the exact same art style might be more heartening if your art style is different from yours (or crushing if it IS the same because holy crap it's insane how everyone on tumblr seems to have the same style).
+Phabel Greene I don't normally comment on TH-cam videos, but here's something reassuring: If you follow-through, finish and market your work, work your ass off to get better and learn new techniques, meet new people and make connections, you'll be in the upper echelon of people trying to break in the creative field. There are plenty of people trying to make it, but very few are putting in the time and energy needed to succeed.
I disagree with the programming analogy, there is a severe demand for programmers on the world that is not being fulfilled at the moment. Maybe the app market is like that but not programming as a whole.
+Sakerdot I agree, and also unlike other creative fields, the final product performs a function that isn't subjective. There are some parts of programming that are creative, but the vast majority of it is not. Everyone wants to be the popular app developer, but not the guy upgrading an old program to work with a new platform.
The reason that Egypt is so unconcerned about the destruction of their national heritage is almost certainly religious. For most of the history of the pyramids it was probably heresy to say that the Pharaohs weren't gods, these days it's heresy to say that they were. Mohammad didn't order the destruction of the pyramids and other historical treasures of Egypt but neither did he order their preservation. That makes both preservation and destruction religiously/politically neutral. The reasons he didn't order their destruction are probably that he didn't know Muslims would own Egypt within a hundred years of his death; if he had known that, he wouldn't necessarily have known that the pyramids etc. existed; if he had known both, he would not necessarily have known who built them or why. He wasn't very well educated even by the standards of the day. Many of his companions and even wives were better educated than he was. This wasn't really his fault, he'd grown up an impoverished orphan and had basically been handed off to various relatives. I don't think that Islam is uniquely bad about caring for or protecting cultural heritage. Christianity and Judaism have mostly gotten their purges out of their system already. Polytheistic religions are better at co-existing with other pantheons: either they just fold the new gods in or they syncretize and say it's exactly the same as their existing pantheon.
On the Spec Work video: I agree that it wasn't done very well, but the point is exactly to point out how silly making an analogy with these professions is. But Spec Work is abominable. Artists and creative people already have a portfolio of their past work, and a resume of their past work. You can already see their past work and style, and oftentimes the range of their capabilities. Asking for them to do the project you want is in fact a *commission*, and artists should always charge for commissions unless they choose not to (for charity, for a friend... who knows). You don't get to have a custom-made piece of creative work for free. Also, the problem with "exposure" as a concept in creative worlds is stupid. Just tell me the last pieces of graphic design work you've seen. There's some on these website right here. Now tell me who did that design work. No clue? *Me neither*.
Where do all of these programmers come from, by the way? Like if I wanna be an artist I can just open paint or any number of other free programs and just start doodling, but if I wanna program I gotta learn all kinds of jargon first. I have been trying with no success to learn that shit so where are these hundreds of programmers learning their skills?
if its england vs some random tean everyone whos not english loves to support that random team because seeing england lose is weirdly satisfying probably because the english always get all hyped up and seeing them lose and all the tv hype just suddenly disappear and they just pretend theres no event happening the day after their out is so funny because its so awkward
it seems like the whole world is united is loving to see england lose other than america because they if its not next to murica then murica doesnt care
"There are no physical manufacturing costs..." No. Wrong. Digital work? Gotta pay for that computer, electricity, internet... Prefer traditional media? Pencils, paper, inks, oils, chalks, charcoal - professional grade materials are NOT CHEAP. Need a physical comp? Paper and ink, at the very least. Portfolio? Gotta pay for the binder Any sort of working example? Well, what do you need to build that? What about all the drafts? Let's not mention the time it takes to create these things, and to hone their skills. Just. Really, Grey?
Actually especially with digital works, if I have your file and I want an other copy of that file. I can make a copy of it. You as the creator didn't need to do anything. And the cost to me is minimal. As long as I'm not trying to mass-produce copies it's really low, the marginal cost is basically zero. Especially if you compare it to how much time/effort you have spend to create the original. Unlike physical items. Where with mass production things get noticeably cheaper a lot faster.
+Amanda Lee Dube Generic sad pickup line written with a 7 year old's knowledge of the female anatomy ending with a childish use of whatever this thing is ~.
Oh, I _do_ listen to the podcast Grey. **licks thumb**
"A Chain a thousand Tim's strong shall never be broken so saith CGP Grey" I would love to see this on a t-shirt.
"What would CGP Grey do?" -Brady Haran
Dante David Méndez Chávez Not bother with it xD
you know you're aussie when you say "you're a bloody legend"
SHOW NOTES!! Where are the show notes?!?!?!?
@@rainer_ Haha thanks. After 4 years I can finally see what they were talking about
Listening to the podcast but came here just to see what the hypnotic video item of the week is :)
I've locked myself out of my minecraft fort several times.
Brady, around 20:00, you mention how if everyone in a picture-chain of picture-pointing people pointing at the picture of picture pointing people were to try to be different it would become a sloppy mess, go to www.galaxyzoo.org and classify galaxies for 20 minutes. You see a bunch of elliptical galaxies (the round ones) and every now and then, a spiral. After a while, the spirals start being special and looked forward to. Then, sometimes you'll see a spiral and another galaxy merging and be like "sweet that's really cool". And if you do it for an hour or two, you might find something really, really cool and special. That's what will happen with these picture-pointing people chains. It won't become a slop of people trying to be special.
Well, the galaxies don't get to chose whether or not they are special to a human, but, people on the pictures do get to decide whether or not they can be special. This analogy doesn't work that well.
Someone needs to let Brady know that this has been the standard way to order a car for like... forever. Unless your just selecting off a lot.
those lot picking plebs
Found the podcast a week or so ago and this is the first time it's been in my sub box. Excited to finally get to this episode and see my own comment
"or maybe fanfictions about dinosaurs riding time-traveling teslas through ancient egypt..." 0,0 Yes, yes, yes: a million times yes!
"I changed lives that day." -CGPGrey
That ending
I know right?! That ending was so good and heartwarming
On the "pointing to the picture" chain, just point to the chain, Photoshop yourself on the start of the chain (The map the guy in painting was pointing to) and wait to see how many people see the change.
Tesla's not doing a crazy Kickstarter thing. Just preorders, which car companies have been doing pretty much from the start.
First episode while all caught up. feels goooooood
It's all down hill from here bud, now you actually have to wait for an episode.
im still on this one. i havent caught up :)
I've just reached it two years later
(Around 1:32:00) the supply is *not* the hours you have available, it's what you churn out. The hours you have available are only a limiting factor of your supply. Saying the time you have is your supply would mean the supply would remain consistent if in three hours you churned out ten times as much work, which doesn't make sense. The work is the supply.
I don't know if anybody's mentioned it yet, but the dash on the Model 3 shown in the promo video is not the official dash. Unfortunately for Grey, the dash will have more stuff
'I changed lives that day'
What a great ending to a podcast. I think i shall try and watch these every week (if that's the schedule). cheers :D
I will have to disagree with Grey on the dashboard thing. To me it looks ugly, It looks like they stuck a tablet to the dash. If the a screen was above the steering wheel like a lambo I would love it. To each his own though.
+Pajama Senpai Weirdly agree. I'd have preferred to see something flush mounted on the center console. Or like maybe a way to dock an iPad or Android tablet.
+Pajama Senpai Very ugly, and boring. But being a lifelong gearhead, I'm bound to 100% disagree with the "I don't care about cars or internal combustion engines" mentality.
My mom has a 2013 Ford with mostly touchscreen controls for the climate and entertainment systems and I *hate* it. It isn't so bad as a passenger, but when In borrowed it for a week one time I practically had to pull over to change the radio station. You can use knobs and buttons without actually looking at them. Touchscreens not so much.
grey it’s been two years you still haven’t moved
I'm a hobbyist animator. Do you happen to have any pictures of that ladder you're talking about in 8:10?
I want to make this scene a reality but I'd like some reference
Om Mani Padme Hum.
Great choice for a video loop Grey!
Between Lulu and Audrey, I wonder which would be the better driver
+Gregory Dalberg (gdalberg)
Lulu! Audrey couldn't reach the pedals and see over the dash board at the same time.
So, anybody had a slow enough day to count the number of rotations of the spindle-thingy?
A chain a thousand Tims strong can never be broken- C.G.P Grey 2016.
( this should be on a T-shirt)
gotta really disagree with Grey on the big touchscreen on Teslas being a good thing. There's a reason we still use physical, kinetic knobs and dials. There's easy feedback, you can change things without looking away from the road, and it's pretty much idiotproof. Now with Teslas it's like changing the AC is the equivalent of texting and driving. Not a good thing
are we using the American or English version of "house" ?
im absolutely terrified of heights i used to get vertigo going up more than the 2nd floor of a building i know its all in my head but its a genuine flaw i dont know how to overcome because ive always had this
Why did they upload the podcast first on youtube? I really want to hear it in my way to work, but my podcast aplication says they hadn't upload this podcast yet. Now I'll be late.
If you want to jump to the Tesla stuff, it's at 28:14 :)
Where do I get a "Black Stump" t-shirt?
The part about Spec Work in the art industry starts at 1:14:00
what exactly is the background spining tunnel thing
+The Power It's some kind of "prayer wheel," which has prayers/mantras on the inside and outside. Spinning a prayer wheel is seen as being similar to speaking the words of the prayer.
+Nathan McDaniel Automated prayers, what a time to be alive
I wonder if some of those students listened to this podcast and vaguely remembered that moment when Mr Grey convinced them to get a degree in engineering. Now they're wealthy AND engineers.
It'd be great fun watching a cricket match with Brady and Grey.
Wait, you're in Adelaide? Why choose the Grenfell Centre? I feel so out of the loop.
+MaybeFactor Brady is from Adelaide, but he now lives in Bristol, England, UK. Plus, I THINK he chose The Mighty Black Stump because it has an ironic name being a skyscraper and all
Due to your hover add, I am now included to make the "Black Stump" podcast
Where you don't see this in your podcast subscription before seeing it on YT
it was russell, the west indian cricketer..... made me so proud as a jamaican
Can anyone else hear something in the background at around 1:09:25?
"breach that door" haha. btw first podcast and man do I love it. Keep it up Grey
Hi Grey!
where do you find all these infinite loop videos? I'd like to find them to leave them on while studying
love your stuff!
Do you think covering your costs would be an equivalent to free. If you have costs for doing a service for someone then it should be covered by that person unless you really need to get into a market.
20 secs in and I feel for the Prep staff. I imagine them thinking 'It's so difficult to make Grey happy =('.
I have never heard Brady like he spoke at 57:58. He sounds so sad.
there are tonnes of people that want to be in a creative field and have no training or anything.
When you go through a school for a creative field they tell you not to do spec work but when you don't do anything speculative you don't get any work. Its a double edged sword.
Advertising agencies will try hard to get people to work on spec
show notes missing on youtube ;_;
First time I'm actually trying TH-cam for listening to the podcast! =D
At the moment HI does have a Wikipedia page, but it's just a redirect to the subsection on Grey's article.
In other words, there is no page
Why is Grey looking at his own wikipedia page?
because people are changing it and he has to be on the lookout
Towards 1:45:00, I think what Grey is trying to say is that most visual art possesses no non-social practical utility.
No show notes?
'The death cricketeers' should have been the title.
they could dig from above to get to the tomb or get a earth cavity detection theory
spec work = intern then?
I wanted to say that. It's quite arrogant to think spec work is unique to creative vocations. It may not share the same name.
Interns, high end restaurants have a "stáge" period where a person is trying out. Many banquet facilities will prepare a full course dinner for a perspective client. What do they think it is when food samples are being handed out? In a supermarket or a food court it free product in the hopes you buy more.
+Lucid Moses Also, pitch jobs.
1:28:25 Don't go to uni to become an Engineer guys!
SpaceX is doing fine - a few days ago they landed successfully on the "raft"
Can someone please enlighten me? What's a TIM?
+Izak Crafford You're a Tim now, I guess.
+Dagmara K I wouldn't know.... :-)
+Izak Crafford They had a joke about the audience. They referred to a certain guy called Tim who listens to the podcast right now. Of course they have a quater million listeners and there is probably a Tim who would be suprised in that moment. Later they called all listeners Tim.
We need to give it to you CPG Grey, you were right, Elon Musk showed/announced fully autonomous system with Tesla 3 this year
Alright, My first time listening to this podcast.... and my home town (home of the Black Stump) is mentioned
Attempts to help those "exploited" by spec work would only end up hurting instead. Imagine laws preventing spec work, you have no right to distribute your works how you see fit.
wont go to base camp but will climb across roofs!!!!????
Damn rebels and their treachery!
I believe spec work is technically illegal in the US.
As a Generic High School Kid who's looking to go into a creative field, this is not a very reassuring episode
Going to tumblr and realizing how many cartoonists/web comic artist have the exact same art style might be more heartening if your art style is different from yours (or crushing if it IS the same because holy crap it's insane how everyone on tumblr seems to have the same style).
+Phabel Greene don't worry all fields are the same as in getting a good job is nearly impossible
marlonyo i know that's kind of depressing, but it's also kind of reassuring, in a way. thanks.
+Phabel Greene I don't normally comment on TH-cam videos, but here's something reassuring:
If you follow-through, finish and market your work, work your ass off to get better and learn new techniques, meet new people and make connections, you'll be in the upper echelon of people trying to break in the creative field. There are plenty of people trying to make it, but very few are putting in the time and energy needed to succeed.
Then don't. You'll probably fail horribly
Did these guys even discuss Tesla and king Tut in this Podcast?
Were you asleep?
+uberethair Yeah.
uberethair But did they discuss them, and if they did, at which point of the video?
They did discuss them, yes, in quite some detail. I'm afraid I don't have the time stamps.
uberethair Ok, thank you anyway.
10k to a silver play that will inevitably end up in Brady's house
I disagree with the programming analogy, there is a severe demand for programmers on the world that is not being fulfilled at the moment. Maybe the app market is like that but not programming as a whole.
+Sakerdot I agree, and also unlike other creative fields, the final product performs a function that isn't subjective. There are some parts of programming that are creative, but the vast majority of it is not. Everyone wants to be the popular app developer, but not the guy upgrading an old program to work with a new platform.
The reason that Egypt is so unconcerned about the destruction of their national heritage is almost certainly religious. For most of the history of the pyramids it was probably heresy to say that the Pharaohs weren't gods, these days it's heresy to say that they were. Mohammad didn't order the destruction of the pyramids and other historical treasures of Egypt but neither did he order their preservation. That makes both preservation and destruction religiously/politically neutral. The reasons he didn't order their destruction are probably that he didn't know Muslims would own Egypt within a hundred years of his death; if he had known that, he wouldn't necessarily have known that the pyramids etc. existed; if he had known both, he would not necessarily have known who built them or why. He wasn't very well educated even by the standards of the day. Many of his companions and even wives were better educated than he was. This wasn't really his fault, he'd grown up an impoverished orphan and had basically been handed off to various relatives. I don't think that Islam is uniquely bad about caring for or protecting cultural heritage. Christianity and Judaism have mostly gotten their purges out of their system already. Polytheistic religions are better at co-existing with other pantheons: either they just fold the new gods in or they syncretize and say it's exactly the same as their existing pantheon.
1:19:40
On the Spec Work video: I agree that it wasn't done very well, but the point is exactly to point out how silly making an analogy with these professions is. But Spec Work is abominable. Artists and creative people already have a portfolio of their past work, and a resume of their past work. You can already see their past work and style, and oftentimes the range of their capabilities. Asking for them to do the project you want is in fact a *commission*, and artists should always charge for commissions unless they choose not to (for charity, for a friend... who knows). You don't get to have a custom-made piece of creative work for free.
Also, the problem with "exposure" as a concept in creative worlds is stupid. Just tell me the last pieces of graphic design work you've seen. There's some on these website right here. Now tell me who did that design work. No clue? *Me neither*.
Where do all of these programmers come from, by the way? Like if I wanna be an artist I can just open paint or any number of other free programs and just start doodling, but if I wanna program I gotta learn all kinds of jargon first. I have been trying with no success to learn that shit so where are these hundreds of programmers learning their skills?
Nice Shirt Man! #niceshirt
wrong place for this m8
Spec work sounds like high school...
chain pictures.... pink Floyd Umaguma
if its england vs some random tean everyone whos not english loves to support that random team because seeing england lose is weirdly satisfying probably because the english always get all hyped up and seeing them lose and all the tv hype just suddenly disappear and they just pretend theres no event happening the day after their out is so funny because its so awkward
it seems like the whole world is united is loving to see england lose other than america because they if its not next to murica then murica doesnt care
Under 301
hi
+Liz-Sofia Belén Ramírez Sohn hello
UnitedJupiter You two are now married in my mind.
I feel like a new photographer should do work for much less obviously because they don't have the experience.
First listened to this episode after getting a Tesla
"There are no physical manufacturing costs..."
No. Wrong.
Digital work? Gotta pay for that computer, electricity, internet...
Prefer traditional media? Pencils, paper, inks, oils, chalks, charcoal - professional grade materials are NOT CHEAP.
Need a physical comp? Paper and ink, at the very least.
Portfolio? Gotta pay for the binder
Any sort of working example? Well, what do you need to build that? What about all the drafts?
Let's not mention the time it takes to create these things, and to hone their skills.
Just. Really, Grey?
Actually especially with digital works, if I have your file and I want an other copy of that file. I can make a copy of it. You as the creator didn't need to do anything. And the cost to me is minimal. As long as I'm not trying to mass-produce copies it's really low, the marginal cost is basically zero. Especially if you compare it to how much time/effort you have spend to create the original. Unlike physical items. Where with mass production things get noticeably cheaper a lot faster.
But you're only considering the finished product, and one that is not a unique work, which is convenient.
GTaichou I do like convenience, don't you ? ;-)
Comment from a Generic Person
Generic response from a time-traveling porn star. Or chronic liar. Whatever.
+Amanda Lee Dube Generic sad pickup line written with a 7 year old's knowledge of the female anatomy ending with a childish use of whatever this thing is ~.