@@friendlyneighborhoodartist know who you're talking to. I'm a digital artist. No not the ones that use AI in their work. A real artist that puts effort over ease. I'm just saying you should know what you're talking about if you're gonna talk about it... like for anything lol. Even big tech ai has its legitimate use cases. But artistically it's just a lame cop out. Nuance. Learn. it.
Yeah, deepseek is also way more environmental friendly and its open source so if anyone wants to, they can train their own deepseek model using their own data without having to scrape other's stuff
I was saying months ago that all these generative algorithms were horribly inefficient and needed a team of optimization developers to fix them. Of course, the tech billionaires wanted to keep the black box of the program a "super magical secret that we have no idea how it works™" to remove all accountability and feed a fantasy to the shareholders. Deepseek had me laughing with all the tech losers throwing temper tantrums. It was significantly cheaper to make, stole data from OpenAI, and was optimized to the point where it could run in my basement on an old computer! All these companies lied about needing to burn more coal, turning back on nuclear power plants, and wasting absurd amounts of drinking water. DeepSeek is the GlaDos of generative machine learning. It's still evil, but we can work together, and it runs on a potato.
I see this as a HUGE win against those damn hypercapitalist American corpos. I still have my other issues with AI content creation, but I at least hope Deepseek wins this case and plummets OpenAI and its giant predatory Western allies to the ground! And after we deal with them, this only leaves us to deal with the "Shadiversity Syndrome" types of users. One less immediate headache to deal with so we can put all our focus on the *other* symptom of this drama. Because sadly people like this would still exist even beyond just the motive of profit.
DeepSeek's logo reminds me of a whale, OpenAI's logo on the other hand idk what it is and I took a whole collage class where we did mostly abstract art
So diminishing returns from training more advanced models like ChatGPT from scratch still apply while at the same time you can distill any model into cheaper one. That really sounds like race to the bottom when it comes to profitability. I thought training on synthetic data would be problematic but maybe if it's just 1to1 copy then there is less issues.
Yeah. It basically is a catch 22. If they make stealing the data illegal, they open themselves up to lawsuits because then.... they stole the data. On the other hand it means if you do train a model, that it's worthless. Because someone can steal your models data and sell it cheaper. So either stealing data isn't illegal, so they can't profit off of it. Or it is illegal, and they did crime.
@@Saliferous Ooooooooh, now I would LOVE to see OpenAI winning the case if it turns out to be this way. They'd be only be shooting themselves in the foot even further!
im watching your latest vids and watched one of the old ones (the arcane one you mentioned on the previous vid) and wow great microphone upgrade! they keep saying a good microphone is all you need for content creators and they really arent lying lmao. idk if its the settings or new equipment but its so smooth and proffesional.
I must say I am really concerned about human rights in China, but darn, the Chinese government just keeps doing things that seem to be over all good for the world. They're making a very good case for them being, if not good, then at least far less evil than the US.
I'm at a point where I feel like the united states doesn't have a right to criticize china because we don't recognize people's rights either. Look at how we are fumbling LGBT rights and abortion. How people are dying because of our awful healthcare system, how we became a plutocracy all while our insane president makes crazy remarks about taking greenland and slapping tariffs on canada and making them become a fifty first state. The U.S. sucks too, but this just means we just live in crazy times where all of the most powerful nations in the world have too much dirty laundry to be credible.
@friendlyneighborhoodartist This is something we both definitely agree on I.Also hate him. He is a professional at keeping people divided to distract away from his dumb decisions, which makes sense. His voter base is the biggest culprits that want to push that culture war. Nonsense and the more he does that, the more he can trick them into, not paying attention to his bad policies. Look at the current crash and how he blamed dei hires. It was a good way to get people to talk about the stupid thing he said, instead of the stupid thing he did, which was FAA funding cuts. These four years won't end fast enough.
Tbh while it's good that AI companies will be less of a thing (because there can be free models at any time now) I still feel as if this is a bad thing. It will be much easier to use in companies unrelated to AI who need it for a creative use. It makes it that much more accessible to outside companies because they don't even have to pay for it anymore.
Then the best we do is to advocate for workers' rights and protection so that companies don't go out of their way to suck every single penny possible from them.
I’m normally anti communism and don’t like how often Chinese try to copy instead of coming up with new ideas (I’m Chinese. I think this is a bad habit that hurts our creativity). But this time it is just pure karma. 0 sympathy for these AI bro.
To be frank, I'm not a fan of communism either, but American capitalism has gone so off the rails and might potentially get so much worse with the advent of AI that I feel like China is starting to become a necessary evil in this regard. Besides, it's not like China is still communist anyway.
I am confused. Why would that screw AI bros in any way? The AI generating resources being free instead of paid really doesn't change a thing. If anything it just gives even more AI lovers the disgusting opportunity to go in on the generating bullcrap. Am I missing something here? 🙁
@friendlyneighborhoodartist Why though? First of all, the way those AI bros can make money now in the first place is through generating ai "art" as commissions for people, I guess, but with stuff being free, everybody would be able to do it, not to mention that art commissions by real artists would be just impossible. Yall, am i actually missing something here? Like whats goin on? 😓
@@sadicomanbg1078 It's not like AI Art users would be able to make any relevant money with their images anyway given that digital artists already struggle a lot and with the AI the market will be even more saturated. But yeah, this hasn't gotten much to do with the Deepseek situation.
@sadicomanbg1078 i think people mean big AI companies rather than individual AI users. there is no large scale capitalist way to profit off AI if theres just... one for free. you're right about easier access and stuff but that's kind of like a separate problem from what people actually mean when talking about this being a loss for the current AI companies
We are hurting the environment by simply existing. There is not much difference between watching online videos, playing games and using ai (there is ai on youtube too go figure) But it doesn't matter, because what me and you use as resources is so small,compared to what the corporations use. Working in set design helped me get over all the greenwashing bullshit, noone is advocating for movies without sets... also if you're a good artist i don't think that ai generated slop will crush you, only bring the standards higher, and im saying that as a person that does a lot of different kinds of art. But that is just my op.
Yes, we do hurt by existing. My problem is saying that these things aren't hurting the environment while using them, making them appear "less" by cherrypicking data compared to other data. It's not greenwashing, it's about literally being honest. Im against AI, sure, but be honest that AI is a huge environmental waste while using it. I can't take anyone's opinion serious, if they can't be honest. And idk, people in this comment section calling my art shit, lol
@@nycsim-r8t it is a capitalist oligarchy. it's not like capitalism is its own form of government. it's the system that overarchs all modern governments
@firelordoregano5632 I'm honestly at a point where I feel like the united states doesn't have a right to criticize china anymore. Literally, everything they have issues with we do too. Cheap infrastructure, trampling people's rights, issues with how we treat the LGBTQ, issues with the healthcare system ( although ours is quite worse), mass surveillance, issues with how they handle peoples, personal information, i could literally go on and on with hundreds of other things, and i'm not even joking. Don't get me wrong. China has done a lot of things very much worthy of criticism, but when that criticism comes from a country that is essentially making all of the same mistakes, it carries less weight. Plus, like you said, they are more like us than people realize. Both of us are capitalist economies, the issue is that both our governments far too often put their own interest first ( let's not kid ourselves living in a plutocracy isn't all that better than living under communism). Our only advantage is our ability. To speak out against the government end. Even then, it becomes difficult when you have a cult of personality around a person who can say anything and his followers will believe it.
DeepSeek throwing a wrench into OpenAI's and NVIDIA's market is wonderful, the free market always wins. I too am against AI content being copyrightable. Imagine wanting to use the hammer of the state to prevent people from using an AI image, couldn't be me.
If anything Deepseek accelerates AI. Anyone and their mom will be able to run AI. Does it hurt NVIDIA? Not really, if anything it helps them. Means more and more ppl will want their hardware. Does it hurt big, closed AI companies? Temporarily. Because here's the thing, unless you agree AI is perfect and indistinguishable from humans, then you agree that AI has a LONG way to go. If it has a LONG way to go, then these closed AI companies will use that to justify pouring even more resources at the problem. And if you think Deepseek trained their model without copyrighted material, well then i dont know what to tell you. If anything while the west is worried having all these conversations about the morality of it and whether the AI uses gender-appropiate language, the Chinese are marching forward without giving a crap about any of that. Using the exact same practices if not worse.
@FlyingsearatNah completely misread but whatever you think. My main point being Deepseek is AI more efficiently and for more ppl, while still having all the same shitty practices. I think the one getting offended here is you quite honestly.
Tbf I've been learning to code a game by generating tutorials for myself. As i cannot afford to go to school for it. All knowledge must be free. But ai image generation just is plain lame. AI is not entirely bad. Like all things theres a grey area
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist how? Elaborate. Please. Besides people losing jobs and data being stolen and environmental cost (guess what digital art has an environmental cost as well but you dont care right?) How is it bad? Theres being educated and then there is just sticking your head in the sand
@@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchiveso your response was urm 🤓☝️ please explain why this is bad besides from point number one point number two and point number three 😂😂😂
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist no I'm asking legitimate questions and posing real arguments and you dodge every which way. Dont label me, be honest with your discourse. You dont know a thing about me lol
Also digital art isnt enviromentally friendly either... just saying. Your digital tablet and pc relies on silicone as well. Im not trying to be a jerk. But this is a grey topic. Also you dont make money off other people? Dude be real
@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive I am aware what products are in my tablet and the products I purchase. There is no need for generative AI. Everything that is not natural comes at a cost, im not changing my stance. Argue how much u love AI with someone else lol
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist I'm not saying I love it. Now you're just crafting a narrative because you know you cannot refute my comment. Be honest when having discourse okay?
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist vaccines arent natural, medicine isnt natural, a lot of things arent natural. Your argument is based entirely off rhetoric with no real basis in anything lol
@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive nah, it's just ive seen these types of comments 100x on my channel. They are boring, attempts to discredit me and not worth engaging with.
i am enjoying the downfall of ''for profit' ai, are you?
They have definitely suffered losses, but they are still far from downfall.
@@pbmwjbenz-bg3rb nah, they can go kick cans
Not all AI is for profit. Most of it is open source.
@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive i don't care, all the big ones are for profit. This isn't a simp ai channel, lol.
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist know who you're talking to. I'm a digital artist. No not the ones that use AI in their work. A real artist that puts effort over ease. I'm just saying you should know what you're talking about if you're gonna talk about it... like for anything lol. Even big tech ai has its legitimate use cases. But artistically it's just a lame cop out. Nuance. Learn. it.
I hate all derivative (AKA generative) AI, but it's so nice to see these multibillion dollar tech companies lose massively just because of Deepseek.
Yeah, deepseek is also way more environmental friendly and its open source so if anyone wants to, they can train their own deepseek model using their own data without having to scrape other's stuff
PSA that OpenAI legit murdered one of their employees because he was going to blow the whistle on ALL the copyrights the company has been infringing.
ELABORATE??
I did a video on it, go check, it's very suspicious
Yeah, i covered it on my channel
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist I love conspiracy theories
@ i love aibro schizo posting on my youtube videos for engagement lol
I am happy for this development, whatever makes monopolies suffer makes me happy 😂
I was saying months ago that all these generative algorithms were horribly inefficient and needed a team of optimization developers to fix them. Of course, the tech billionaires wanted to keep the black box of the program a "super magical secret that we have no idea how it works™" to remove all accountability and feed a fantasy to the shareholders.
Deepseek had me laughing with all the tech losers throwing temper tantrums. It was significantly cheaper to make, stole data from OpenAI, and was optimized to the point where it could run in my basement on an old computer!
All these companies lied about needing to burn more coal, turning back on nuclear power plants, and wasting absurd amounts of drinking water.
DeepSeek is the GlaDos of generative machine learning. It's still evil, but we can work together, and it runs on a potato.
@stephaniet1389 ahahah this comment has me laughing. GLADOS XD and magic.
I see this as a HUGE win against those damn hypercapitalist American corpos. I still have my other issues with AI content creation, but I at least hope Deepseek wins this case and plummets OpenAI and its giant predatory Western allies to the ground!
And after we deal with them, this only leaves us to deal with the "Shadiversity Syndrome" types of users. One less immediate headache to deal with so we can put all our focus on the *other* symptom of this drama. Because sadly people like this would still exist even beyond just the motive of profit.
It's the movie in the head guys we gotta worry about xD
so many AI bros in these comments, sheesh.
I KNOW
*surprised pikachu face* AI bros are happy a better and freer AI has come out? who woulda thunk :0
Gross
DeepSeek's logo reminds me of a whale, OpenAI's logo on the other hand idk what it is and I took a whole collage class where we did mostly abstract art
OpenAI’s logo just looks like a butthole. I literally refuse to see it as anything else 😂
I reminds me of a shitty logo lmaooo
It was bound to happen!
HahHa
Yasssssssss for openai will be defeated while deepseek wins✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊
Lol
So diminishing returns from training more advanced models like ChatGPT from scratch still apply while at the same time you can distill any model into cheaper one. That really sounds like race to the bottom when it comes to profitability.
I thought training on synthetic data would be problematic but maybe if it's just 1to1 copy then there is less issues.
no one makes any money >:)
Yeah. It basically is a catch 22. If they make stealing the data illegal, they open themselves up to lawsuits because then.... they stole the data.
On the other hand it means if you do train a model, that it's worthless. Because someone can steal your models data and sell it cheaper.
So either stealing data isn't illegal, so they can't profit off of it.
Or it is illegal, and they did crime.
@@Saliferous Ooooooooh, now I would LOVE to see OpenAI winning the case if it turns out to be this way. They'd be only be shooting themselves in the foot even further!
im watching your latest vids and watched one of the old ones (the arcane one you mentioned on the previous vid) and wow great microphone upgrade! they keep saying a good microphone is all you need for content creators and they really arent lying lmao. idk if its the settings or new equipment but its so smooth and proffesional.
AI will save us from AI
@@farissoliman7282
"I used AI to destroy the AI"
hiss
modern problems require modern solutions lmao
I must say I am really concerned about human rights in China, but darn, the Chinese government just keeps doing things that seem to be over all good for the world. They're making a very good case for them being, if not good, then at least far less evil than the US.
I'm at a point where I feel like the united states doesn't have a right to criticize china because we don't recognize people's rights either. Look at how we are fumbling LGBT rights and abortion. How people are dying because of our awful healthcare system, how we became a plutocracy all while our insane president makes crazy remarks about taking greenland and slapping tariffs on canada and making them become a fifty first state.
The U.S. sucks too, but this just means we just live in crazy times where all of the most powerful nations in the world have too much dirty laundry to be credible.
I just wanna watch the ai shit burn for a while
I totally hate our president rn lol. He jokes about that Greenland shit it's so dumb.
@friendlyneighborhoodartist This is something we both definitely agree on I.Also hate him. He is a professional at keeping people divided to distract away from his dumb decisions, which makes sense. His voter base is the biggest culprits that want to push that culture war. Nonsense and the more he does that, the more he can trick them into, not paying attention to his bad policies. Look at the current crash and how he blamed dei hires. It was a good way to get people to talk about the stupid thing he said, instead of the stupid thing he did, which was FAA funding cuts. These four years won't end fast enough.
What animation software do you use for your avatar??
I didn't rig it, someone else did but I use vtuber studio?
@ oh okay cool!
Tbh while it's good that AI companies will be less of a thing (because there can be free models at any time now) I still feel as if this is a bad thing. It will be much easier to use in companies unrelated to AI who need it for a creative use.
It makes it that much more accessible to outside companies because they don't even have to pay for it anymore.
Then the best we do is to advocate for workers' rights and protection so that companies don't go out of their way to suck every single penny possible from them.
@@mekingtiger9095 Yes, but unfortunately that's easier said than done.
@@TwiDashFTW At least we have the support of much more left leaning people in general instead of being isolated to just artists on this one.
@ True
Oh no, it's still a shitty thing. I just am happy it'll be hard to profit off of it now lol
I’m normally anti communism and don’t like how often Chinese try to copy instead of coming up with new ideas (I’m Chinese. I think this is a bad habit that hurts our creativity).
But this time it is just pure karma. 0 sympathy for these AI bro.
@@DL-idk it's just chaotic karma lol
To be frank, I'm not a fan of communism either, but American capitalism has gone so off the rails and might potentially get so much worse with the advent of AI that I feel like China is starting to become a necessary evil in this regard.
Besides, it's not like China is still communist anyway.
it is pure karma lol
200 per month*
Man the article I sent you never rang more true.
Fr lol
Still no moral guardrails in sight
I mean the EU stepped in a little. Only smart mfs in sight regarding the issue.
True :(
I love your art so much!!!!
@Salem_And_Misha thanks so much 😭
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist No paw-blem :DDDD
I am confused.
Why would that screw AI bros in any way? The AI generating resources being free instead of paid really doesn't change a thing. If anything it just gives even more AI lovers the disgusting opportunity to go in on the generating bullcrap. Am I missing something here? 🙁
@@sadicomanbg1078 can't make money with it anymore lol
@friendlyneighborhoodartist Why though? First of all, the way those AI bros can make money now in the first place is through generating ai "art" as commissions for people, I guess, but with stuff being free, everybody would be able to do it, not to mention that art commissions by real artists would be just impossible. Yall, am i actually missing something here? Like whats goin on? 😓
@@sadicomanbg1078 It's not like AI Art users would be able to make any relevant money with their images anyway given that digital artists already struggle a lot and with the AI the market will be even more saturated.
But yeah, this hasn't gotten much to do with the Deepseek situation.
@@sadicomanbg1078 it's more about the stock market than ai images
@sadicomanbg1078 i think people mean big AI companies rather than individual AI users. there is no large scale capitalist way to profit off AI if theres just... one for free.
you're right about easier access and stuff but that's kind of like a separate problem from what people actually mean when talking about this being a loss for the current AI companies
We are hurting the environment by simply existing. There is not much difference between watching online videos, playing games and using ai (there is ai on youtube too go figure) But it doesn't matter, because what me and you use as resources is so small,compared to what the corporations use. Working in set design helped me get over all the greenwashing bullshit, noone is advocating for movies without sets... also if you're a good artist i don't think that ai generated slop will crush you, only bring the standards higher, and im saying that as a person that does a lot of different kinds of art. But that is just my op.
Yes, we do hurt by existing. My problem is saying that these things aren't hurting the environment while using them, making them appear "less" by cherrypicking data compared to other data. It's not greenwashing, it's about literally being honest.
Im against AI, sure, but be honest that AI is a huge environmental waste while using it. I can't take anyone's opinion serious, if they can't be honest.
And idk, people in this comment section calling my art shit, lol
I honestly don't like Communism and I'm not saying Capitalism is any better BUT this is so funny nonetheless, you love to see it. 👏😆
Honestly calling either one of these countries Communist or Capitalist isn't correct. The US is an Oligarchy cosplaying as a Democracy.
@@nycsim-r8t yeah, the u s is definitely more of a democracy on paper and a plutocracy in practice. Big money talks in politics here.
china is very much capitalist too
@@nycsim-r8t it is a capitalist oligarchy. it's not like capitalism is its own form of government. it's the system that overarchs all modern governments
@firelordoregano5632 I'm honestly at a point where I feel like the united states doesn't have a right to criticize china anymore. Literally, everything they have issues with we do too. Cheap infrastructure, trampling people's rights, issues with how we treat the LGBTQ, issues with the healthcare system ( although ours is quite worse), mass surveillance, issues with how they handle peoples, personal information, i could literally go on and on with hundreds of other things, and i'm not even joking.
Don't get me wrong. China has done a lot of things very much worthy of criticism, but when that criticism comes from a country that is essentially making all of the same mistakes, it carries less weight.
Plus, like you said, they are more like us than people realize. Both of us are capitalist economies, the issue is that both our governments far too often put their own interest first ( let's not kid ourselves living in a plutocracy isn't all that better than living under communism). Our only advantage is our ability. To speak out against the government end. Even then, it becomes difficult when you have a cult of personality around a person who can say anything and his followers will believe it.
if it uses less power, you build a bigger rig to match your previous cost, that's how growth works
@@Gamingpandacatev cost is still a cost. It's not useful for the cost it has made thus far.
DeepSeek throwing a wrench into OpenAI's and NVIDIA's market is wonderful, the free market always wins. I too am against AI content being copyrightable. Imagine wanting to use the hammer of the state to prevent people from using an AI image, couldn't be me.
Id rather human only works be copyrightable
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist I'd rather neither be copyrightable :D
@@thelemmallamabad take
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@@friendlyneighborhoodartist did you reply to me or the other person?
If anything Deepseek accelerates AI. Anyone and their mom will be able to run AI.
Does it hurt NVIDIA? Not really, if anything it helps them. Means more and more ppl will want their hardware.
Does it hurt big, closed AI companies? Temporarily. Because here's the thing, unless you agree AI is perfect and indistinguishable from humans, then you agree that AI has a LONG way to go. If it has a LONG way to go, then these closed AI companies will use that to justify pouring even more resources at the problem.
And if you think Deepseek trained their model without copyrighted material, well then i dont know what to tell you. If anything while the west is worried having all these conversations about the morality of it and whether the AI uses gender-appropiate language, the Chinese are marching forward without giving a crap about any of that. Using the exact same practices if not worse.
We can tell ur malding thru the comment btw
@mrgatogrande4284 I'm enjoying the chaos, don't come here trying to ruin it lol. Be available doesn't mean anything to me lol
The chaos is *very* enjoyable I'll give you that!
@FlyingsearatNah completely misread but whatever you think. My main point being Deepseek is AI more efficiently and for more ppl, while still having all the same shitty practices.
I think the one getting offended here is you quite honestly.
@@mrgatogrande4284 it seems like yr fawning over how great it is :/
Tbf I've been learning to code a game by generating tutorials for myself. As i cannot afford to go to school for it. All knowledge must be free. But ai image generation just is plain lame. AI is not entirely bad. Like all things theres a grey area
@@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive ai generation is bad for humanity in general, that's how i view it.
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist how? Elaborate. Please. Besides people losing jobs and data being stolen and environmental cost (guess what digital art has an environmental cost as well but you dont care right?) How is it bad? Theres being educated and then there is just sticking your head in the sand
@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive oh, ur one of these guys? Lol. U must be from aiwars xD
@@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchiveso your response was urm 🤓☝️ please explain why this is bad besides from point number one point number two and point number three 😂😂😂
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist no I'm asking legitimate questions and posing real arguments and you dodge every which way. Dont label me, be honest with your discourse. You dont know a thing about me lol
By the way, don't forget the Janus-Pro-7B too. 😉
idc about all these models, ai sucks lol.
Nobody gaf bro 😭
The more open source code, the better. More opportunities for individuals and smaller companies.
This is an Anti-AI space, thanks
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist with no hint of knowledge on the subject to boot!
@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive I have knowledge, why not go suck on your ai tits a little longer, lol
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist nice deflection. No elaboration. Insults. Very mature interaction
@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive you get what u deserve when u act up.
Also digital art isnt enviromentally friendly either... just saying. Your digital tablet and pc relies on silicone as well. Im not trying to be a jerk. But this is a grey topic. Also you dont make money off other people? Dude be real
@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive I am aware what products are in my tablet and the products I purchase. There is no need for generative AI. Everything that is not natural comes at a cost, im not changing my stance. Argue how much u love AI with someone else lol
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist I'm not saying I love it. Now you're just crafting a narrative because you know you cannot refute my comment. Be honest when having discourse okay?
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist vaccines arent natural, medicine isnt natural, a lot of things arent natural. Your argument is based entirely off rhetoric with no real basis in anything lol
@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive nah, it's just ive seen these types of comments 100x on my channel. They are boring, attempts to discredit me and not worth engaging with.
@@friendlyneighborhoodartist because you're scared and have no sense of nuance