When an NHL Team Drafts Off The Board | Where are they now?
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Has your team ever gone off the board at the draft? If so, did it work out?
Sens with Tyler Boucher in 2021. Projected to go approximately where Shane Pinto went and now Boucher is likely not gonna play a single game in the NHL. Thanks PD. Nobody misses you.
Yes my team are the Red Wings
habs fan here, no never, even most safe picks were busts!
@@RobTalksHockey Detroit. Seider. Nuff said
@@Kieva_Storm I'll never forget the youtuber podcasters reaction to that one. Bunch of fools throwing themselves around in front of their cams like baby monkeys saying Yzerman had just shot the farm. You can probably still find those videos on youtube, they are cringe deluxe.
Of course, now those same podcasters are like...."Mo's my man....yhea called it, Team Yzerman, woo, woooo".
Yoo, having KK in the nhl at 18 had nothing to do with selling tickets. It's Montreal here, It's always sold out no matter what. Cmon.
Yeah this is such a dumb take, like they are selling out the Bell Center while being a bottom 5 team for 3 years in a row lol.
Yeah, it was all about Bergevin feeling the need to get that 1C as soon as possible while the Price window was still open. 2018 was meant to be a reset year, and they did almost make the playoffs in 2019.
My hot take is that, with Montreal's current development staff, Kotkaniemi would have turned into at least a very good 2C, while with the Bergevin-era dev staff, Slafkovský would have been a bust. I think the environment a player is drafted into is a huge factor.
@@Blue-bv1ur Yes they do. Google it. Montreal Canadiens home games have been consistently sold out since January 2004.
@@Blue-bv1ur Yes they do. Google it. Montreal Canadiens home games have been consistently sold out since January 2004.
It was absolutely a factor. Montreal selling tickets is never an issue, but GMs do it to appease the fanbase, and it also has an indirect effect on tickets and their pricing. Read Brian Burke’s book. He gives a great perspective on the behind the scenes world on why GMs make certain decisions
The scouts and rankings have been wrong many times. Seider was a complete surprise to most but he’s a top pairing stud.
Well it’s not like people were saying that there is no way Seider becomes a stud
The Sens taking Tyler Boucher 10th overall when most scouts had him pegged as a 2nd rounder
No one really knows how any prospect will do untill they play in the show. Maybe he'll turn out who knows
@@brandonhall9959 You are right, but signs are not good at the moment. He had a very good draft year, but since then he has not produced at a point per game pace in the OHL (which is a standard reference for NHL prospects) and has had a very underwhelming first year in the A. I know this is not what his game is mainly about, he's more of a gritty, power forward, but there should be a certain offensive skill base to be picked in the first round, especially in the top-10.
Somehow reminds me of Colton Gillies / Zack Kassian / Austin Watson (and a late 1st round pick like Michael McCarron)... Top 15-20 picks where the offensive upside is quite limited but teams sacrifice first round picks for gritty guys like them that have little to no chance of being cornerstone offensive players. Sure, Watson and McCarron are still rolling around in the NHL and had respectable, quiet careers... and Kassian had a nice run in Edmonton for a few years after he got his personal problems settled, but these are players you can more easily pick up via Free Agency or trades rather than sacrifice a first round pick on... My 2 cents.
But, there is still a chance Boucher becomes a decent middle 6 forward. I don't think the expectations ever were that he'd be a first line guy and it seems extremely unlikely he ever will be, but there's still room to improve his game with the right coaching and development.
Literally no one in Detroit wanted Yzerman fired after the Seider pick lol. Most people were unsure but most also saw a good pick in an area of need. It was the national/international pundits that were all dramatic about it
Plus, most fans have a lot of trust in Stevie and the organization’s ability as a whole to find talent
@@DavidVandemarkthe ones that don't are used to seeing the Lions change their entire coaching staff after 3 years and expecting different results.
@@RedWingsninetyone there’s an alarming amount of fans who haven’t accepted that the old Red Wings culture is long gone. They’re no longer the 25 years of consecutive playoffs Wings. A new culture is being built from the ground up. It takes time. And a lot of luck.
when i first learned about mo i thought he was an interesting pick not bad we've had good luck with big European D man. and i dont think anyone doubted the size of steves balls after going a bit off the board with his first pick back.
The pundits wanted a cheap buck made out of exploiting a situation.
Germany has hockey as their fourth/fifth most played sport. It's changing, but there's no coincidence that both Seider and Draisaitl come from the same region in Germany with a very strong hockey program.
As a Ducks fan we are getting used to Verbeek going of the board. It wouldn't be a draft if he didn't.
Sennecke was not a second round pick on anyone’s lists. He was a year ago, but by draft day he was a consensus top 10 pick.
i thought he was consensus top 15
He was not a consensus top 10 pick. He was rated between 13-17 by most scouts. And some scouts had him as an early second. With that being said, I thought he was a top 10 pick. Top 3 was a surprise though
Consensus top 15-20 with rumors of top 10. Never a 2nd rounder except maybe at the beginning of the season
if anything he was consensus top twenty
He was definitely not a consensus top 10 as other have stated lol That pick at 3rd absolutely stunned me
As a Wings Fan from Germany a dream come true for me. I was on holidays in Denmark at this time and I couldn't believe it when I saw they drafted Mo Seider. It was a crazy ride since then.
Steve Yzerman is better than any other player shown in this video
Seiders numbers in his only year of the DEL make perfect sense since the then Coach saw that his offensive game (he scored alot in his junior years in the youth league) was perfectly good, and thus he wanted him to develop his defensive game more in that year in the DEL, which he did.
If that's the case that's some smart coaching that actually cares about the development of their players. Rather than boosting his numbers so he looks better and gets drafted higher they decided to actually round out his game so he has a higher chance of actually becoming something when he's drafted.
It's so weird hearing all these names I grew up with in hockey again because now their CHILDREN are playing. It made me feel so old
If Kotkaniemi was no.5 on McKenzie's list before the draft, that means that he was around that range. Bob doesn't rate prospects himself, he surveys scouts; that means that Kotkaniemi went slightly earlier than expected, not considerably earlier. He was also really impressive his first season as a Hab... the problem is that he never got better lmao. Hindsight is 20/20.
Yeah for sure. The thing is, I followed this draft very closely, and after it came out Montreal was probably going to take him at #3. I saw his ratings go from ~15 to top 5 overnight. It was bizarre.
Yzerman sometimes doesn’t make sense with his signings and picks. But it works out more than it doesn’t
How’s Detroit done since yzerman came??i think yzermans washed sadly. Btw as a lightning fan i wanted to see him do amazing in Detroit. He brought us to prominence
@@Tampafan33yeah and it took 10 years for tampa to win, it takes time, yzerman is not washed, he’s actually just getting started.
@@Sonicthehedgefundmanager tampa was consistently in conference finals, wings can't even make the playoffs
@@flackjacket3dits whats your point?
@@Sonicthehedgefundmanager that the yzerplan isn't working
The thing about off the board picks. They do make for an exiting draft. The reactions, the stakes at hand, it really can to into a soap opera. Now, I generally do not want my team to try to out think themselves. But, at the same time, if a team makes that of the board pick and it pans out. It's the best drafts you team could have.
KK wasn't a good pick but Zadina was the consensus there so we actually some how would have gotten a worse player...Obviously we would take Quinn Hughes in a redraft but there was nothing about him going to Montreal.
In a redraft, Quinn most likely goes 3rd or 4th.
@@cammackinnon Nope, he goes no. 1. The reigning Norris trophy winner goes no. 3 or 4 in a re-draft.... in what universe exactly? Definitely not this one. Who would go ahead of him in a re-draft? You might have an argument for Dahlin due to Dahlin's size and talent, but that's it.
I'm glad they picked Sennecke, because the Habs perhaps picked the best offensive player of this draft in Ivan Demidov.
One thing I learn being a ducks fan is to not question their scouting staff bc they’ve hit it big on their last several drafts when pick high…. Zegras, Mctavish, mintyukov, Carlsson and I expect Sennecka will be a stud also. The kid has the wow factor and big!
Agreed. Even McTavish was a surprise. They have a lot of big body, high skilled players on the rise. They are going to be good for a long time.
Jesperi Kotkaniemi is 2 games away from 400 regular season games played in the NHL. That's pretty solid.
Puljujarvi is over 350 and even that Swedish scrub Paajarvi made it to 467. It just means they get more chances since they were drafted high and in KK's case, obviously the contract. Even late first rounders get more chances, eg. (as a Habs fan) McCarron and Tinordi are somehow still playing.
Heck, Rene Bourque played 725 games. If he can make it to that number, while being extremely unproductive and frequently injured for the back half of his career - btw his production nosedived before the injuries - then shit, 1000 games played isn't all that impressive anymore. Like, if Bourque can make it to 700+ then ANYONE can.
@@davedavid427 1,000 played is a lot better than 0.
It sounded like you were implying more than once that Kotkaniemi wasn’t on the team during their run to the cup final. Not only was he on the team, but he was a clutch player for us that playoffs with many clutch goals & plays. Yes he’s a complete bust of a player NOW but that year he was actually great for us.
He should have stayed with MTL for the development. There's no such thing for him in Carolina.
@@thailakhampo it would’ve been what’s best for him, they gave him an opportunity he wasn’t ready for in Carolina & it completely killed his career
Yeah fair, he was solid. But what I am saying, is that he wasn't a big enough factor to get resigned, or his offer sheet matched.
@@RobTalksHockey The offer sheet was moronic. Everyone knew it was an overpay out of spite. Not matching was probably the second best Bergevin move (non-move) after stealing Danault from Chicago... almost as moronic as the long term deal the Canes gave him after.
Romanov was an off the board pick. Wasn't even on most public lists and they picked him in the 2nd round
Should have also mentioned Ottawa going off the board and getting Tyler Boucher early.
Ducks are going to be an absolute wheel in a few years. BTW I was ZERO % surprised Verbeek passed on Demidov, he wants size and snaral down the middle and already has Zegras for flash.
Plus he doesn't defend, Verbeek likes guys with a good 2 way game and Sennecke is a puck thief, he generates tons of takeaways.
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I dont remember many people calling for Yzermans job after the Seider pick. I do think its weird that he put all that faith in Seider and has given him 0 help on that Wings dcore so much so that his best season was still his rookie season
I remember one video someone said you sound like you’re yelling and whispering at the same time😂 shout out of who ever said that
Good one 😂
This is what I LOVE about my Lightning: They let their prospects play in the Minors. They don't rush guys to the NHL. These kids get RUINED by making them play in the League immediately.
William Nylander kind of came out of nowhere. Can't complain.
As an NHL franchise-long fan of the Vancouver Canucks, and a lifelong fan of Les Canadians I can answer with a resounding, Mais Oui!
Sometimes every GM gets it wrong. Luc Robitaille a 9th round pick ? The same year Roy went in the 3rd; Hull in the 6th;j Gary Suter 9th; Cliff Ronning in the 7th (1137 career games) Don Sweeney in the 8th (1115career games). Not an exact science. Sometimes a hunch pays off. Sometime a sur thing is a bust. It can take 15-20 years to know for sure.
That 2019 draft, Yzerman had access to both the Tampa and Detroit draft boards to help him prepare for that pick.
I feel it is simple. The scouts do not brag about their prospects and this means many young talents are scouted and their presence is sat upon; possibly observed by NHL talent itself to quantify whether there is something to work with outside the skill level or whether a player is just a machine designed to work at certain levels a certain way and no further.
We will see many many 'surprise' selections in drafts from now on because it is simply good for team business to not brag about who you have before you have them as they can EASILY be cherry picked away.
As a man from Oshawa I watched him all the time and him and calum Ritchie are going to be top 6 players if not franchise and I mean that
I think the Yzerman hate after Seider is being exaggerated. There’s plenty of people who were pretty staunch believers in the Yzerplan due to his success in Tampa. A mindset of “just trust Stevie” was in full effect. Now however, people are really down on the Yzerplan and that veil of trust in his actions is fading.
I agree but think fans will be happy by (post)seasons end.
timmins and bergevins being let go of were the biggest move from the habs in years tbh, they collectively sank the franchise while having the best of opportunities to do the exact opposite
Love that clip of Seider going after Crosby. Sid is such an underrated pest. Get him Mo!
The Preds taking Surin in this year's draft (and they even tried to trade up in the draft for him) could be seen as an off the board pick. He was ranked 22nd internationally, around 31st overall, taken at 22nd overall. Late first round picks kind of become a mess anyway though so it's not too surprising, but wanting to trade up for him sort of leans into the off the board feeling. Preds felt he was worth a mid-round 1st
Do you always use the golden eye menu song for your background music?
It's a staple
@@RobTalksHockey No lie it's what drew me to the channel because it stuck out in my head.
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U will be making this exact video in about 2 or 3 years, when Matvei Michkov is scoring 50-60 goals, and David reinbacher is playing on the 2nd D pairing for the Laval Rocket.
JAGR wasn't underrated, He told teams he was only gonna sign with the Penguins.
Maybe not underrated, but underscouted for sure. There wasn't as many scouts going to the Czech Republic back then. His world juniors is what really put him on the radar
Bro I love your content but.. ever heard of leon draisaitl?
Cal Ritchie really single handedly carried Beckette from a 20-30 range pick to 3rd overall
How do you not mention the Bruins off the board picks in 2015?
I'm shocked you didn't mention the Coyotes weird picks last year in the first round. They passed on several top tier players for a couple of Russians that were expected to go in the second round.
What ? Lol Simashev was not expected to go 2nd after the begining of the draft year plus Daniil But was expected between the 15th to 20th range at the end of his draft year.. both were big raisers when you look at expected rankings you can't just stop looking after the start of a draft year.. things evolve dude ! Final expected rankings showed that Simashev was hoped to go top 10 on many lists and finally was called at 6 so basically top 10 and But was drafted at 12 while expected in the top 20 so not a serious reach though
While Moritz Seider was _way out of left field,_ nobody in Detroit wanted Steve Yzerman fired in his 1st draft as Red Wings GM. We were ecstatic to have our Captain come home, and had zero reason to mistrust him after seeing the job he did with Tampa. It seems like he was right to have "reached" for Mo!
Why make us wait for 12 mins to get to the topic of your video, only to be completely wrong?
Antropov at 10 when Simon Gagne and Alex Tanguay were there.
Antropov's 39 point game helped haha
At the start of the season he was a potential first round pick Sennecke but at the draft he was consensus 8-15
Flyers did that with Peter Forsberg he went 6th overall and he was the 26th best player in the draft
Can you do this video again but with more draft picks, appreciate the length you went to with each one but was kind disappointed to only see three examples here, esp very well known ones that people likely already know. Great vid tho!
I'll keep that in mind!
I remember hearing at the 2019 draft. Oilers wanted cozens or Sider at #8.
idk if i really agree with this being the reason, i just don’t think germany had enough young kids playing hockey until recently, look at their national team if they were as good as teenagers they’d probably not lose by 15
The Hockey News had Peter Forsberg as the 25th best player and the Flyers picked him at 6.
I don't think the scouting, especially non North-American ones, was nearly as good then vs now. Pretty sure the 4 teams that missed out on Jagr would likely draft him ahead of the players they drafted in a re-draft.
People are delusional to want him fired ,we wouldn’t even been getting better every year and barely miss the playoffs if it wasn’t for Stevie,people are too stupid to not wake up and realize that and won’t be patient either and too delusional to think rebuilds take less than 5 years in sports NOT!,if you do it the proper way like yzerman is doing you’ll be contending for a long time and that’s what I want,not to be a team to win one cup and back to rebuilding in the basement with no playoff fun again like the Aholes fans do.
The 100 game analysis feels like there may be some sunk cost fallacy by the teams trying to get value out of those highly drafted players
Agreed. In fact, GM's trying not to get fired will pressure the coaches into playing their high picks.
Zegras should have won the Calder that year.
10min. in and no word of Yzerman. Weird titel...
Man I dont think Ive ever been so uninterested in one of your vids...
That's July for ya. Whatcha gunna do.
Havent even finished the video but I expect a seider story
my buddy LOST his mind when stevie took MBN this year. like it was so predictable, yet so predictable it couldnt possibly happen. its the same type of player steves been drafting in the first two rounds almost every year since he took over in detroit.
words words words FIRED
The probabilities are skewed because the higher the pick the more opportunity’s they’re gonna get in the nhl. A team is gonna give a top 3 pick more leeway
Where's the receipts of wings fans wanting stevie fired???
BTW Chicago traded Kirby Dach, the No. 3 overall pick in the 2022 NHL Draft, to the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for a first-round pick (13th overall) and third-round pick (66th overall. Dach as nothing to do with the patciorety trade
Who thought this? Kind of well known it was Patches for Suzuki
Beckett grew 5 inches in one year. And his GF said he grew that much in 2 seconds.
Podcast in Quebec (french) they all said pick number 2-12 put them in the bag and guess who. So i was not surprise when they pick him but. Lindstrom with is back injurie, i'm not surprise duck skip him. Senecke have a great potetial last year with a high peak, and 6,3 you can guest on him. Yup 2 and 3 pick have change the course for jacket, but MTL have great hope to Demidov and it's happen.
I really wish the Canes had not offer sheeted Kotkaneimi. He has never produced like a player being paid 5M /year, and that mo ey has been tied up rather than being available to the Canes to aquire an established player to win the cup.
Joey Hishon , Stratfords own. Bob McKenzie fumbling his words live on TSN was the best . Not top 10 but still " off the board "
Off the board, Chase Stillman wasn't projected in the first round I don't think.
Can you do a video of the insanity Pierre Dorion put sens fans through
It seems like NHL scouts just do like a hit or miss style.
I agree with Rob, KK wasn't a good pick. I wanted Brady.. not Zadina. Marc Barginbin was terrible. He just rode Price's excellent play until the wheels fell off. Senneke gives me KK vibes too, but who knows right now, he could turn out better. I'm a Habs fan btw
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Yzerman’s fine, it’s just the goalie situation between Lyon, Reimer and Husso. Reimer is optimistic,, Husso’s ok, but Lyon can’t be starter unless Optimus Reim retired
There is no Yzerplan. The management team of N Kromwall, Nick Lindstrom, Draper, Maltby. Horcuff. Cleary are doing great with no top draft picks, signing free agents that want to come to Detroit. No superstars coming. The Wings are competitive and with no injuries and improved goaltending they will be better. If DL and MR were not hurt, and Alex L played the whole season they would have had over 100 pts. There is no rebuild Detroit is not a bottom team trying to reach 70-80 pts.
Im still confused as to why exactly mo seider hasnt been as impactful since his rookie year
video starts at 11:24
Wooo there, nobody had him past the first round and many had him in the top 5, idk where you get ur prospect info but sennecke is a stud.
I love Sennecke, and I actually like the pick. I think trading down made the most sense though
Sennecke could easily end up as the best player from this draft, Ducks didn't trade down because Lumbus was also interested in him.
Also which scouts had him gong in the 2nd round? If that's true they should lose their jobs immediately, I suspect it isn't tho.. perhaps some did at the start of the season but that obviously doesn't count.
comparing sennecke and hayton/kk's situation is nuts
The only comparison I made is that they were all of the board. I am not saying Beckett is the next Hayton haha
Quinn Hughes is the 2024 Norris winner, not the 2023. Erik Karlsson won the 2023 Norris.
Roman Josi should of won it both years you mentioned , travesty the norris has become a point race between dmen...good thing for nick lidstrom it wssnt back in his day
Remember, they said same thing about Datsyuk and Zetterberg too, off the board picks. Ha
Can’t believe Habs passed on Quinn Hughes
@@randombutrelevant Habs or red wings would’ve been better if they had Hughes
Jim Benning legend moment
@@randombutrelevant Nobody wants Zadina now even for the minimum.
Marc Bergevin was straight up just bad at his job. I’m so glad that era of bro GM’s is coming to an end.
Nobody wanted yzerman fired and even the most extreme tweets u used nobody said it 😭 a lot of ppl where optimistic with the fact the guy was so special steve would make that crazy move for him
seider was a mistake though, yzerman always trying to be the smartest guy in the room lol
I hear that you still owe Kyle Epp some money for funding your Minecraft channel
Look im a habs fan love we got the demigod, but the draft was fixed 500% demi was first or second not 5th lol
I only clicked to find out who “they” are. No one in Detroit wants him fired.
Awesome vid
Habs picking Louis Leblanc in 1sr round was dumb as it goes.
The draft was in Mtl and people chanted his name before they took ik...
@@judahnanas9772 I know, I was there... facepalming...
@@patdro1662 maybe a dumb move for Montreal, but there have been far worse choices everywhere. Then we see undrafted Hall of Famers.
Then again, as far as 2018 is concerned, if Kotkaniemi was not going to be in Montreal, the Yotes would have had him over Hayton...
I don't think for a second that Sennecke is a bust
Stastny Bros never had anything to do with legitimizing Czech players.
Stevie said thats our next lindstrom
I sure hope not. Lindstrom wasn't anything special for us. Now Lidstrom on the other hand...
@@Nichaelas fr
@@Nichaelas my bad i spelt it wrong lol
I trust the Yzerplan more than I trust the Shanaplan.
Beckett carried in the playoffs until he got hurt, once he went down his team went down.
Hockey players are drafted too young. They need to up the draft age a year or two. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already given more popular sports have higher draft ages.
It used to be that way until the NHL lowered their age limit to compete with the WHA. If they raised it now, it would basically remove an entire draft or 2, so it's not possible
Only thing about seider is that he really hasn't improved much since his rookie year, Obviously he's still a top pairing guy but he's not really getting better so far
Chinakov and Boucher are two other off the board examples that blew up in the face of their respective GMs
Considering Chinakhov was on pace for a 25 goal season before he got hurt, you should probably actually watch him play before posting your ignorance
Chinakov is a bonafide goal scorer. He'll be a consistent 30+ goal scorer for the next 5+ years, just you watch.