Great youtube, 2 very fine bikes I ride a z900rs and was going to buy a speed twin as a second bike for the wife, as I like riding different bikes this was going to be the perfect combination, the problem is the tank size/range, as this tank seems to be fitted to a few models in the triumph range, an option of let's say a 20 ltr tank would give owners, and potential owners a better fuel range that a lot of riders are looking for
So here’s my take. I owned a Speedmaster 1200 with the HT version of the same engine in the Speed Twin. I loved the engine, it’s fast and punchy, sounds amazing and had plenty of power. I absolutely hated the small fuel tank, when I go out for a ride I want to ride, not stop every hour for fuel. So I bought a Z900rs in Candytone Green. The engine in the Kawasaki is flexible and smooth enough that in the twisty stuff I leave it in 3rd gear. 3rd is enough to drop down to just below 30mph, wind on out the corner and the power builds and builds as you rush to the next corner and your easily doing over 60mph in 3rd. The engines fabulous. The air box howl, the suspension, the comfort is all amazing. The bike feels super light weight, it’s surprisingly tall so you can see over traffic almost like an adventure bike and you have shed loads of ground clearance. As for Brembo vs Kawasaki branded brakes, they are Tokico callipers and again great. For the £500 less you would spend on the Kawasaki you could stick a can on it or braided lines. I have no regrets. I got rid of a Ducati Supersport S for my Kawasaki and I have zero regrets. The Z900rs reminds me so much of my old 1996 ZX6R engine, I have all the sports bike fun and thrills and none of the aches and pains. One review I saw said the RS is 90% sports bike and 10% retro, I would agree with that. In town the bikes manors are also fabulous. I thought I would miss the punchy twin cylinder bikes (I’ve owned solely twins for 7 years or so) but the engine has enough torque everywhere that I don’t miss them one bit. Also you say the bikes a 900cc, which is a bit miss leading from Kawasaki because it’s a 948cc. As you can tell, I love it. No fussy riding modes, nothing to look at and play with, just the thrill of riding and what an engaging ride it is.
@@ykevin0607 I thought I would but I really really don’t. Kawasaki did a great job making the engine feel feel powerful throughout the rev range it never feels underpowered.
For those of us who don't do a lot of riding on the motorway, a comparison of the Triumph Street Twin and the new Kawasaki Z650RS would be quite interesting. Great video btw.
These two were on my list. In the end I went with the speed twin. Looks& finishing details and character of the twin swayed me to the Triumph in the end. Honestly can’t go wrong with either.
Good review! I really enjoy your clips, keep it up. I originally chose the Z900rs because of the extra power and sharper handling. The ergonomics for a taller rider was also a big bonus. After 2000 km I swapped it for a Bonneville T120. The Z900rs never felt particularly good riding at real world speeds, it only ever felt at home when being thrashed, which makes sense for a four cylinder bike. I also had a lot of issues with the suspension, it always felt harsh despite having it professionally set up. I think this really comes down to personal taste though. My taste is to putt around town on a beefy two cylinder retro, it just makes me feel great. I knew I made the right choice as soon as I rode out of the dealership, it just feels awesome doing anything, and I much prefer the styling. Obviously you're not getting a knee down on it, but it's still plenty of fun on the twisty roads. The Speed Twin would be better for sporty riding, but the T120 feels less cramped for a taller (6.1f) rider, so it's a trade off. Ironically, I lost my license for three months for speeding on the T120, oops.
Thanks for this comparison! I bought a z900rs from a local dealer. No Triumph dealer nearby. Delighted by my z900rs: love that deliciously howling 4 cylinder engine: so soothing at low power; so thrilling wide open!
I literally just went through this comparo yesterday and today. Yesterday, the dealer didn't have the Kawasaki in stock (it was at their other store), so I looked at all the Triumphs. I fully expected more of a visual impact with them. In fact my favorite was both the blue/white and red/white TS120s. The Speed Twin, in black (saw a used red one in the parking lot) disappointed me - and the Speed Twin 1200 was what I fully expected buying, but it just looked bland to me in the showroom. Easier foot reach yes, but I felt too canted forward. I also didn't like the footpeg/shifter/brake positioning. The way it made me twigs and berries vibrate - and I never even rode or heard them! Sat on the Kawa 650rs. Night and day difference in seating comfort. Much better. Today, I was able to locate the exact Kawasaki I wanted, the 1200 cafè in black and gold. Oh man, IT got my heart pumping in a way the Triumph didn't come close to doing. I know I would have loved the Triumph, but it was the Kawasaki that spoke to me. What's funny, is that both dealerships are under the same umbrella (just different locations) and EVERY SINGLE guy who knew I was getting the Kawa said they liked it much better. To be fair, they said that BEFORE I said I was getting the Kawa. I'm also a short rider, and no doubt about it, the Speed Twin is lower and has a lower center of gravity. However, when I sat on the Kawa, I could plant the balls of my feet down. Plus it feels so light compared to the Harleys I rode for 30-35 years (Softails, Road King, Electra Glide, and Sportster). My stats for anyone interested. 5'5" very fit and strong, but in that 60 yrs old area. I wear size large gloves and in Shoei helmets, 29" inseam, 177 lbs. Size 8 boots/shoes. 46" leather jacket (had to have the waist pulled in). I'm just throwing that out there in case it helps similar sized guys.
Wonderful motorcycle on all fronts and extremely beautiful, for me the most beautiful motorcycle on the market together with the Bmw r ninet in the 100 years version. Congratulations and enjoy it. Best regards ✌️
Great comparison. Just picked up a 2020 Z900RS on Friday. As a kid if the 70’s it feels more authentically retro for me and my image of an old school bike. I didn’t manage to try a Speed Twin, but there aren’t any on the market in my price range anyway, so I willingly went for the Kawasaki. Also, there is a factory low seat option on the Kawasaki which makes it more confidence inspiring for shorter riders like me. It’s a great bike and I am looking forward to clocking up some miles. Maybe the Speed Twin next time…… 👍
Also remembered the wicked fast and loud KZ 1000s of the late 70s early 80s with low bars, 4 into 1 black kerkers, mag wheels. Picked up a 2018 Z900RS this last summer with under 2000 miles, came with low seat option, previous owner also gave me the OEM stock seat, thought I loved the low seat but the taller seat puts me in a more forward ready riding position, better for taking off from traffic lights as well as diving into the turns, unlike my sake rockets of years past I think sitting on this bike instead of in this bike is a better set up for me, I’m 5’ 9” and have put low clip on bars on it as well. Also the beach cruiser high bars and low rise Rizoma bars I tried with low seat accentuated the sitting in the bike not as ready to maneuver feeling
@@denisg4288 Not sure height of low seat option but sitting on it, it's not just lower it is more narrow at the front which helps 'lengthen' your legs as well
I bought the 2020 Triumph Speed Twin. I love it, it’s such a great bike and I can’t imagine anyone would ride one/buy one and not like it. I haven’t ridden the Kawasaki RS - but I imagine it would be the same experience. I want the Kawasaki too!
The wonderful burbling exhaust note and much higher torque output way lower in the rev range makes the Triumph my favorite for sure…I prefer blasting around town rather than on super fast roads…Triumph’s wonderful engine is the choice for that, no doubt
Very difficult choice! But there's an elephant in the room. Have owned a Speed Triple for a few years, and have a old VStrom 1K (one of many very reliable Japanese bikes I've owned). I have more problems - and more cost and head-scratching from the dealer - with the Triumph. If this is your only bike, and if you REALLY ride, the Z is really the only choice. There's more romance with the Speed, but like most emotional affairs, ultimately being able to count on your partner is more important.
Z900rs is my only vehicle! I ride it everywhere: freeways, dirt roads, around town, twisty roads. Always puts me in a good mood, never wears me out. 500+ miles in one day. No problem.
@@sathishrao7926 that won't cost that much TBH. Because z900 is priced 8.7 lakh and it's same bike nothing different. Yet rs cost 7 lakh more which is nonsense imo. So speed twin make much more sense that rs.
Triumph, no hesitation ... that big thumping parallel twin is way more appealing to me than just another down tuned in line 4. Plus I find the Speedy to be far more aesthetically pleasing, it's the one I'd much rather see waiting or me when I open the garage door 😉
@@at9670 The non retro Z900 ... the RS uses the same engine but detuned / retuned. Z900 makes around 124bhp and the RS makes around 110bhp. It does mean the engine is less stressed in the RS though.
saw a 3 year old (new) street triple for full price at dealer. triumph wont let them lower price., whos gonna buy that full price 3 years old, an eat all that depreciation?. not me.
The Kawasaki dealer in my town is across the street from the Triumph shop and they had a Z900RS on the floor when I was looking at the Speed Twin. The Kawasaki was also massively reduced in price and had a great aftermarket exhaust system fitted. Visually, it looks good except for the cheap-looking radiator cap sticking out the side, and it was about $2500 less than the Triumph. So, I bought the Triumph. I bought the Triumph because Japanese dealerships in California do not allow test rides.
I've ridden enough bikes that I can make a decision based on a few TH-cam videos of the bikes being ridden. I hope you're happy with your choice, but what a lousy excuse.
I may have commented on this video in the past, but I keep watching it and enjoying your comparison. I tested both machines (the older ST) and ended up choosing the Z900RS. For a number of reasons, an interesting choice. In 40 years I've ridden but never owned more than 2 cylinders, so was biased to the ST. It also had more immediate character, but the Z grows slowly and does have a soul. Both are wonderful to ride - again, the ST instantly gives confidence and a grin, and the Z is instantly capable garnering respect, but the grin takes a few more miles. Both handle well and have superlative engines. The Z is, in my opinion, far better finished and engineered, certainly close up. And the dealer network plays a part - much closer, for me anyway. So the choice was not difficult and I am in love with the Z. Can't see myself getting rid of it whilst I can ride. That said, you're analysis is spot on - the two are so close it's down to your budget and preference. Probably down to some daft thing like colour or stripes. One things for sure, if my budget extended to two bikes, they would be parked alongside each other in my garage.
Looks. Engine Configuration. Reliability. Manufacturer / Dealer support. Value. Maintenance schedule/cost/time. Those are some of the questions I ask myself when trying to decide between a couple bikes. Personally I prefer twins. V-twins, P-Twins with 270 degree cranks.
I’ve ridden both many times. The Speed Twin is definitely the better looking and more refined bike overall, but for pure performance and speed, the Kawasaki wins hands down.
@@ykevin0607 I’d still get the Kawasaki. Much better engine and performance oriented frame/suspension. I had a Bonneville about 12 years ago and it was a cool looking bike, but slow and rather boring otherwise.
@@madrat5176 If I were him I would still pick Z900RS, but CB1000R is definitely a better bike than both with exceptional reliability... also more expensive.
@@kawasakizrx1164 Yea some guys ride like there are cash a prizes waiting for them if they outrun a faster bike. Got a buddy like that. Unfortunately he is usually to injured to ride.
I love the z900RS compared to Speed twin, yet I will choose the Speed twin considering the stupendous price of Z900RS in India. In international market the situation could be very different!
I think Thailand and India have free trade agreements. Triumph making all their bikes there (except TFC) is helping their case. Though Made In Japan Z900RS is undoubtedly the more bulletproof.
I`ve put over 50,000 km on my Zrs and I have loved every single one of them, I`m sure the Triumph is a good bike too but I wouldn`t get rid of my Kawi.
I had the very same dilemma last year. What did I do? I purchased a 2021 Thruxton RS Gloss Black and a 2003 used Kawasaki ZRX 1200R Candy Lime Green. All boxes checked!
Good review, reliability and warranty are important factor ! If I had to choose one, it would be Kawasaki. I think retro style is not just the round headlight, the ergonomics of bikes is a key factor, the height, rise and sweep of the handlebar information is as important information as engine or break information. Not mention in reviews!!!
@@Zimmermann310 100,000 km is certainly a good starting point. Here is a 2018 Bonneville with 100,000 miles / 160,000 km…. th-cam.com/video/J9Re-i7tUK0/w-d-xo.html
I enjoyed the test ride on both machines. I think that within the first 2 miles you will know which one is "talking" to you. If you are truthful to yourself about the the sort of riding you will be doing and the people you will be doing it with, the decision will be easy. I went with a (used) Triumph T120.
@@tigerick7291 I thought it was limited availability due to supply chain issues and this would continue in 2023. But my Triumph dealer doesn't appear to have an issue getting bike and two 660's showed up last week and the RE shop has a good selection too.
I’ve tested and enjoyed both and the Speed Twin just feels more fun and a lot lighter to flick side to side. I didn’t buy either but went with a BMW R1250R, which smokes both across all measures as it should given the price difference. I went to the BMW dealer to try an R9T by the way but the versatility of the R1250R won me over.
@@warrenventer I have the OEM flyscreen, which works well for me on the highway. It gives a narrow strip of protection if you stay directly behind it, which is fine for the highway.
I also have a ‘20 R1250R but am thinking of getting a sporty retro-style bike to join it in the garage (also have a sportbike). Considering the Z900RS and the Speed Twin. The Kawasaki Z900RS seems to me perhaps just too similar in basic look (big naked roadster) and stance to the R1250R, though. At 6’1” I’m concerned that the Speed Twin could be a bit too small. The T120 is probably underpowered for my taste. Been mulling this over for months and still no closer to a decision.😕
The low end grunt and massive midrange on the Kawasaki are often understated, it makes more torque than most open class liter/superbikes at a much lower RPM and there are no flat spots anywhere, it pulls like a freight train to redline. I came off of a 2009 R1 and honestly am astonished by this Kawasaki, suspension is also fully adjustable which is huge. I have tweaked mine to perfection and it doesn’t need any aftermarket bits to be superb.
You always on point with the things you share. I own a 2020 speed twin and I absolutely love riding it, I also was thinking of getting the Z900RS 2022 Candy Tone Blue color.
I’ve owned my Z900RS Jaffa (best colour) for over three years now but I’ve had a test ride on the Triumph Speed Twin. Personally I was happy to get back on my Kwacka. One thing though, why couldn’t they have had the 360° degree crank like on the old Meriden twins with their snarling sound? With a balancer it would work I’m sure. I think the fake V-twin sound has been done to death to be honest. By the way, the original Meriden Speed Twin was a 500cc, I once owned the sportier version, a T100A back in the 1960s.
I rode a 2018 Speed Twin and it was a very nice bike (especially the sound😍) but the ride by wire throttle was a too twitchy for me like the Yamaha Mt10, but overall the speed twin for me because of that crazy torque
I've owned 3 Triumphs including a Speed Triple, a thunderbird sport, and a thruxton. My first bike ever was a Kawi zx636r, but hadn't owned an inline 4 since 2009. I test rode both of these reviewed bikes. For whatever reason, I felt less connected with the Speed Twin than on the z900rs (cafe). The Kawi is so easily managed that I find I'm able to focus on my lines more than I ever have before. That said, the Triumphs 1200 engine is fantastic. Personally I preferred the thruxton 1200 to the speed twin, but if you're avoiding clip-ons then that rules that out.
Every time is a happy trip. I have both, Speedy and Kawa. Kawa is for longer trips, Triumph is a bull. Speed Twin is a direct motor between legs Z900 rs 4 cylinders...smooth...but aggressive too So, i have both sides 😉😉
@@waynejames1178 Long story... bought a Triumph Bobber but didn't like it (hard suspension), then got myself a Harley Low Rider S... great bike, but very uncomfortabel riding position so finally decided to look for something that combines comfort and sportiness, and got a BMW R1250R. Beast of a bike, but I still miss the look and the smoothness of the RS.
I own a 2018 Z900rs. I absolutely love this bike. It’s the perfect road bike. Perfect blend of nostalgia/ heritage & modern goodness. This one is a keeper.
Nothing like the old GPZs I started on over 35 years ago, these new Kawasaki Z900RS/KZ948s 😉are smooth as a sewing machine in the lower RPMs and growl like old school KZ 1000 in the higher RPMs, they handle and brake way better as well and have ABS and traction control that work seamlessly
Discovering this channel comes at a very opportune time for me. I grew up on Japanese bikes - Z-1's mainly (two of which still reside in the garage in desperate need of restoration). But in the 1990's I made the Big Shift over to the Harley Davidson Sportster. I'm on my fourth (although there was a brief, unsatisfactory flirtation with a Dyna Street Bob). But I've come to a point where I'm finally going to ditch the Sportster. That decisive day came the first time I saw a Triumph Street Twin. God, I love that bike! I just wish it came with spoke wheels. If one did, it would already be in the garage. So the Speed Twin was going to be the weapon of choice... And then Kawasaki came out with the Z900RS. Dammit! Now I can't decide which one I want. I've got a certain level of brand-loyalty to Kawasaki...but I do love the new Triumphs. Decisions, decisions... This video, as much as I appreciate it, isn't making the choice any easier.
I have a Z900RS Cafe and I absolutely love it. I never have cared much for parallel twins. They just seem to vibrate too much. But maybe that's not the case with the Speed Twin as I've never ridden one. I really like my HD Softail but it has a counterbalanced motor so it doesn't vibrate much. Tons of low-end torque with a 1750cc motor. I love having both bikes cuz they are complete opposites. I really love the smoothness of the inline 4 on the Kawi. It brings back memories of my youth since I haven't ridden and inline-four since the 80s. And I love the way Kawasaki went with a 4 into 1 exhaust. Back in the day everyone took their four into four exhaust off their Kawis and replaced them with Kerker 4 into 1's. Much cleaner look and better sound. I have no troubles with mine around town. Especially on a hot day since it's liquid-cooled.
I would genuinely have either one in a heartbeat. The only thing I'd want added is an up and down quick shifter. One of those modern features I absolutely adore
The Speed twin might be meaty but believe me the Kwak doesn`t lack anything in town. I`ve ridden it (in Bristol) and it is very willing from low down, has a very nippy feel to it, reminiscent of the old 675 triples aka a Very Good Thing :) A slightly less than perfect on/off throttle was what turned me away from the otherwise gorgeous and useful Zed.
Not much can compare soundwise to a Bonneville T120 with the Motone X pipe and either Predator Pro or Remus slip ons- absolutely perfect grunt and boy does it turn heads!!
I demoed both and far preferred the Triumph for it's lighter steering and instant low rev pull. I ended up buying a Tenere 700 for it's greater versatility.
@@wickedleeloopy2115 I fully intended to try a Tiger 900 but when I went back to my local Triumph dealer the staff seemed far more interested in being all pally with their existing customers than attending to a potential new one. I felt very much like they saw me as a bit of a timewaster and was largely ignored.
@@jamesclarkson3009 i really like the boxer engine now. People moan it sticks out at the sides, but after boots and legs it's probably less than an inch. You can get some nice covers and if it falls over it doesn't go right down.
@@chrisredfield3240 I actually like the look of the boxer engine but yeah does split opinions. It also still has a really good lean angle. I wouldn't want to put engine covers on but totally get why people do.
These two bikes need to be compared again! I vote. another, more detailed longer video on these to head to head. I’ve ridden both and am still seriously struggling with what to buy.
A twin cylinder engine must only be compared to a twin itself. Z900RS can't be compared to it. But, I am shocked to see comments in the favor of Triumph. It really makes excellent bikes. Even Z900 owners praise the refinement of Street 765 RS and it can cope-up well with 1000cc bikes 🔥💯
765 Triple (non T plane) inside of the current gen Speed Twin, with previous gen 9 spokers and swap silly side/carb covers for simple T100 style ones and that’s the winner for me.
I’d take the z900rs. I’m taller and own a 74 CB550 which still runs like a peach. Kawasaki quality is just higher than Triumph. And in-line 4’s are nicer to ride longer distance
the quality is absolutely not higher on the Kawi than the Triumph my friend. Don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. I've been on both, and own one of them. Ask me how I know
The Triumph looks well built and the Z900RS has some cheap plastic parts on it, but reliability the Kawasaki is among the best and not forget how good it looks
The only factor on the Triumph’s side is that it’s a Triumph - and besides, parallel twins are just oversized vibrators 😂 All the numbers are for nought although the Kawi wins anyway. The Kawi is a world apart in terms of build quality, ride quality, the brilliant torque curve, a delicious motor, motorcycle character, performance, reliability, heritage, loveability, the ferocious growl of its happily under-tuned inline four and plain ol’fun-to-ride. Z900 wins hands down!
The z900rs looks better imo, but the Speed Twin feels physically small for such a big engine bike and thus fits me better. So for me, the nod goes to the Triumph, notwithstanding the smaller gas tank.
I have a tricked out Z900RS Cafe and also a tricked out XSR900. Both are awesome bikes, but in the end I prefer the Yamaha ever so slightly compared to the Kawi. That Yamaha triple is just such a great engine. My Z900 has a Brocks exhaust, and the XSR has a Graves. They both sound phenomenal, but I give the edge again to the Yamaha. I'd love to add one of these Speed Twins to the garage because I just love the look, of the bike and I'd really like that low down torque the motor produces. I will own one of these eventually!
The one thing that puts me off the Triumph is it’s so small; being over 6ft tall l feel I’d look silly on it. The Kawasaki’s better performance on motorways makes it even more compelling.
I still love my 2019 Speed Twin. I really need to get a ride on a Z900RS. When I've been on a four cylinder Honda CB1000R, yes lots of top end, but the engine had to be wound up to get it going. I'm guessing the Z900RS will be similar. In which case I'd prefer the twin, or really a triple :-D Triumph , please please PLEASE make a Speed Twin look-a-like , with a 1000 cc or more triple engine (and QS option). Doesn't need the 180 BHP of the 1160cc triple. 130BHP would be more than enough, for me at least ! (I have told them this in the surveys they send me !)
Love the look of both these bikes, would be a tough choice to choose my favourite. Just buying an older Monster 1000ie to get my retro kicks, Cheers Motobob
The RS lacks the rear twin shocks as the Speed has which gives it that retro look style to it, I think that the Speed Twin turns heads when parked or passes by rather than the RS. Both are great bikes but I would get the Speed due to better retro looks and design. Kawasaki should of brought back a modernized ZR1000 Zephyr or a ZRX1200R.
I am lucky enough to own a Z900rs and a bmw R1250R , I did look at the speed twin but the bmw beats it on power and torque, even though it costs a bit more it still gives more grins per mile
When you say looked,did you ride it?the fact that it makes all that torque low down is drawing me towards it, I find my r 9 t quite buzzy at motorway speeds so I guess I need a test drive on the triumph.
@@waynejames1178 I test rode t100, then t120 and did the speed twin last and I must admit was a bit disappointed . The t120 was more punchy but I preferred the riding position of the speed twin . The bmw was better all round . The Z900rs is a cracking bike and surprised me when I test rode it. With the bmw I have owned a gs, gsa and the s1000xr in the past and the r is best boxer I have ridden
@@markdolman9056 Interesting. I Have a 1200GS, but got the R1250R as a loan bike and loved it. Wasn't sure if it was the new engine or the smaller 'dinkier' feeling after the GS. I have a V7 as a 2nd bike but thinking about trading it for the R - but maybe 2 boxers in the garage is overkill.
I agree. My two bikes so far have been a 1969 Triumph T100 and a 1982 Suzuki GS650G. The first was a twin and I loved the feel of it, but when I switched to the inline four I fell for that sewing machine smoothness.
Good comparaison. Both bikes are good options for someone looking for a nice looking retro bike with performance. However, the twin with that down low torque just makes more sense for any riding outside of a track day.
I had both. And after 1 year, sold the triumph. The reasons? a lot. 1-excessive heat from the triumph, right side is stupid hot during the summer, couldn' t even ride it comfortably in city. The radiator is WAY too small for a 1200cc and it shows. 2-Slow ABS system. From time to time, a bit of damaged tarmac was more than enough to upset the ABS system during very heavy braking: it simply was uncapable to cope and braking distance had to be measured in parsec. After a compilation of brown underwear i got fed up. 3-the engine is TOO GRUNTY for a relaxed ride, but the frame AND suspension are clearly not designed for an aggressive ride. The bike ended up in a sort of nowhere land and fell short to be enough sporty or enough laid back. 4-font end IS and WILL ALWAYS BE too vague compared to the rock solid Z900RS one you set up the suspension properly. Something that you CANNOT DO with the triumph: moroever, triumph forks are stupid stiff, obvious reason is to mask the lack of hydraulic control of the cartridges. UPs for the speed twin? beautiful, nice fit and finish, good engine with great fuel economy.
I've ridden bikes (and cars) from brands of almost every country(except Russia and China). And since I've never been a journalist, I had to buy each one of them. And when it comes to engineering quality and reliability, Made in Japan (,or made by Japanese) wins hands down.
My Z900rs SE yellowball cost a bit more new than than the standard rs. Punchy and fast enough for me though, and I do like the Triumph look; but the inline 4 is amazing.
Love these pipe-dream comparisons. In the end though, I'll probably just keep my 1972 Triumph 650 5-speed that I bought for $200 USD in 2020. Does everything I want of a bike and is so simple. Doesn't need a battery, starts up on 1-4 kicks (usually), no stinking computers to fail and a total blast to flick around in traffic (387 Lbs.-175KG). I've sat on the new Triumphs at the dealer and it feels like riding a large farm animal. No thanks to either of the above bikes.
All good on the comparisons. However, having owned the Z900rs for three years, I can tell you that 19.5klm per litre is very optomistic. Maybe on highway riding at 90-100klm ph but more realistically, 15-17 kpltre is the norm. Even so, nothing twin is going to beat the pull of the Kawi. I know, I have Ducatis also.
In 1977 I went from suzuki T250hustler to Triumph T140 bonneville what a shit decision. Jap bikes were in a different league . Immediately within 3 weeks p/ex triumph for Cb750. Now looking at these retros they not dissimilar to 70s bikes. But the memories would make me buy the kwacker. Been on a speed twin and its nice but for the sound/engineering etc etc it would be the kwacker for me. People i know ride triumphs all seem to have electrical issues. Soz but the imprint from the 70’s is still there. Tried Bmw’s too but. Jap bikes are the best for me as a privateer self maintaining bike. Had 20 plus bikes over the years. If I was a designer, I would build twin, air cooled, shaft drive do it all bike. No coolant, no chain, big torque = riding pleasure. Only my opinion. Love this channel,, quality
Do you want the more expensive fake British bike made in Thailand, or the real Japanese retro made in Japan? Do you want a small bike with non-adjustable old school suspension or a tall bike with fully adjustable modern suspension? Do you want a city and short-distance cruising bike that you can impress your mates with, or do you prefer a long distance bike with a sporty character? Also, you can add about 15-20 hp to the Z900RS with relatively inexpensive mods (fuel map, down pipes, maybe air box mod) making it the fastest retro classic I know of. They're both great bikes but those are the main differences to me.
A massive thanks to Fowlers of Bristol for lending me their two demo bikes to make this video. If you'd like to try either, email philh@fowlers.co.uk
Great youtube, 2 very fine bikes I ride a z900rs and was going to buy a speed twin as a second bike for the wife, as I like riding different bikes this was going to be the perfect combination, the problem is the tank size/range, as this tank seems to be fitted to a few models in the triumph range, an option of let's say a 20 ltr tank would give owners, and potential owners a better fuel range that a lot of riders are looking for
*I hope no disabled persons were looking for a parking spot that day.* LOL
So here’s my take. I owned a Speedmaster 1200 with the HT version of the same engine in the Speed Twin. I loved the engine, it’s fast and punchy, sounds amazing and had plenty of power. I absolutely hated the small fuel tank, when I go out for a ride I want to ride, not stop every hour for fuel. So I bought a Z900rs in Candytone Green. The engine in the Kawasaki is flexible and smooth enough that in the twisty stuff I leave it in 3rd gear. 3rd is enough to drop down to just below 30mph, wind on out the corner and the power builds and builds as you rush to the next corner and your easily doing over 60mph in 3rd. The engines fabulous. The air box howl, the suspension, the comfort is all amazing. The bike feels super light weight, it’s surprisingly tall so you can see over traffic almost like an adventure bike and you have shed loads of ground clearance. As for Brembo vs Kawasaki branded brakes, they are Tokico callipers and again great. For the £500 less you would spend on the Kawasaki you could stick a can on it or braided lines. I have no regrets. I got rid of a Ducati Supersport S for my Kawasaki and I have zero regrets. The Z900rs reminds me so much of my old 1996 ZX6R engine, I have all the sports bike fun and thrills and none of the aches and pains. One review I saw said the RS is 90% sports bike and 10% retro, I would agree with that. In town the bikes manors are also fabulous. I thought I would miss the punchy twin cylinder bikes (I’ve owned solely twins for 7 years or so) but the engine has enough torque everywhere that I don’t miss them one bit. Also you say the bikes a 900cc, which is a bit miss leading from Kawasaki because it’s a 948cc. As you can tell, I love it. No fussy riding modes, nothing to look at and play with, just the thrill of riding and what an engaging ride it is.
Agreed mate!
Really you don't miss the twins one bit? 😉
@@ykevin0607 I thought I would but I really really don’t. Kawasaki did a great job making the engine feel feel powerful throughout the rev range it never feels underpowered.
now THIS is a proper review
@@predibhoy2242 if I had a face and voice for TH-cam maybe I could’ve made my own.
Been on both. And it was the triumph that made my face ache from smiling so much! Its just a blast to ride! My money is on the Triumph!
I was just about to say the same thing!
Speed Twin has a lot more personality. I rode them both at a dealer just minutes a part.
@@styrr3 what’s the top speed?
Top speed? Where are you going to top it out, a track day?
@@Hsp44 I have no idea! I don't need to go top speed to have a blast!
@@admiralbeez8143 just wanted to know it 🤷♂️
For those of us who don't do a lot of riding on the motorway, a comparison of the Triumph Street Twin and the new Kawasaki Z650RS would be quite interesting. Great video btw.
These two were on my list. In the end I went with the speed twin. Looks& finishing details and character of the twin swayed me to the Triumph in the end. Honestly can’t go wrong with either.
Amen to that
My answer is to buy a Thruxton R, BMW R9T and R900RS SE. It's taken 7 years to do that.
Good review! I really enjoy your clips, keep it up. I originally chose the Z900rs because of the extra power and sharper handling. The ergonomics for a taller rider was also a big bonus. After 2000 km I swapped it for a Bonneville T120. The Z900rs never felt particularly good riding at real world speeds, it only ever felt at home when being thrashed, which makes sense for a four cylinder bike. I also had a lot of issues with the suspension, it always felt harsh despite having it professionally set up. I think this really comes down to personal taste though. My taste is to putt around town on a beefy two cylinder retro, it just makes me feel great. I knew I made the right choice as soon as I rode out of the dealership, it just feels awesome doing anything, and I much prefer the styling. Obviously you're not getting a knee down on it, but it's still plenty of fun on the twisty roads. The Speed Twin would be better for sporty riding, but the T120 feels less cramped for a taller (6.1f) rider, so it's a trade off. Ironically, I lost my license for three months for speeding on the T120, oops.
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Thanks for this comparison! I bought a z900rs from a local dealer. No Triumph dealer nearby. Delighted by my z900rs: love that deliciously howling 4 cylinder engine: so soothing at low power; so thrilling wide open!
I love my speed twin... For me it was the seat height (short rider) and I prefer the styling of the triumph. But both great bikes as you say 🙂😎
Im short rider too so I prefer triumph. Al aslo prefer it for the design. it looks perfect.
I literally just went through this comparo yesterday and today. Yesterday, the dealer didn't have the Kawasaki in stock (it was at their other store), so I looked at all the Triumphs. I fully expected more of a visual impact with them. In fact my favorite was both the blue/white and red/white TS120s. The Speed Twin, in black (saw a used red one in the parking lot) disappointed me - and the Speed Twin 1200 was what I fully expected buying, but it just looked bland to me in the showroom. Easier foot reach yes, but I felt too canted forward. I also didn't like the footpeg/shifter/brake positioning. The way it made me twigs and berries vibrate - and I never even rode or heard them!
Sat on the Kawa 650rs. Night and day difference in seating comfort. Much better.
Today, I was able to locate the exact Kawasaki I wanted, the 1200 cafè in black and gold. Oh man, IT got my heart pumping in a way the Triumph didn't come close to doing. I know I would have loved the Triumph, but it was the Kawasaki that spoke to me. What's funny, is that both dealerships are under the same umbrella (just different locations) and EVERY SINGLE guy who knew I was getting the Kawa said they liked it much better. To be fair, they said that BEFORE I said I was getting the Kawa.
I'm also a short rider, and no doubt about it, the Speed Twin is lower and has a lower center of gravity. However, when I sat on the Kawa, I could plant the balls of my feet down. Plus it feels so light compared to the Harleys I rode for 30-35 years (Softails, Road King, Electra Glide, and Sportster).
My stats for anyone interested. 5'5" very fit and strong, but in that 60 yrs old area. I wear size large gloves and in Shoei helmets, 29" inseam, 177 lbs. Size 8 boots/shoes. 46" leather jacket (had to have the waist pulled in). I'm just throwing that out there in case it helps similar sized guys.
Wonderful motorcycle on all fronts and extremely beautiful, for me the most beautiful motorcycle on the market together with the Bmw r ninet in the 100 years version. Congratulations and enjoy it.
Best regards ✌️
Great comparison. Just picked up a 2020 Z900RS on Friday. As a kid if the 70’s it feels more authentically retro for me and my image of an old school bike. I didn’t manage to try a Speed Twin, but there aren’t any on the market in my price range anyway, so I willingly went for the Kawasaki. Also, there is a factory low seat option on the Kawasaki which makes it more confidence inspiring for shorter riders like me. It’s a great bike and I am looking forward to clocking up some miles. Maybe the Speed Twin next time…… 👍
Also remembered the wicked fast and loud KZ 1000s of the late 70s early 80s with low bars, 4 into 1 black kerkers, mag wheels.
Picked up a 2018 Z900RS this last summer with under 2000 miles, came with low seat option, previous owner also gave me the OEM stock seat, thought I loved the low seat but the taller seat puts me in a more forward ready riding position, better for taking off from traffic lights as well as diving into the turns, unlike my sake rockets of years past I think sitting on this bike instead of in this bike is a better set up for me, I’m 5’ 9” and have put low clip on bars on it as well.
Also the beach cruiser high bars and low rise Rizoma bars I tried with low seat accentuated the sitting in the bike not as ready to maneuver feeling
Hi
Do you know what height the low seat option is? Looked on the website which shows the option but no details.
Thanks
@@denisg4288 Not sure height of low seat option but sitting on it, it's not just lower it is more narrow at the front which helps 'lengthen' your legs as well
@@coastalhillbilly3419 thanks
@@denisg4288 the published figures are 835mm standard and the lower seat makes it 800mm. Quite a difference really.
I bought the 2020 Triumph Speed Twin. I love it, it’s such a great bike and I can’t imagine anyone would ride one/buy one and not like it. I haven’t ridden the Kawasaki RS - but I imagine it would be the same experience. I want the Kawasaki too!
The wonderful burbling exhaust note and much higher torque output way lower in the rev range makes the Triumph my favorite for sure…I prefer blasting around town rather than on super fast roads…Triumph’s wonderful engine is the choice for that, no doubt
Very difficult choice! But there's an elephant in the room. Have owned a Speed Triple for a few years, and have a old VStrom 1K (one of many very reliable Japanese bikes I've owned). I have more problems - and more cost and head-scratching from the dealer - with the Triumph. If this is your only bike, and if you REALLY ride, the Z is really the only choice. There's more romance with the Speed, but like most emotional affairs, ultimately being able to count on your partner is more important.
Z900rs is my only vehicle! I ride it everywhere: freeways, dirt roads, around town, twisty roads. Always puts me in a good mood, never wears me out. 500+ miles in one day. No problem.
I’ll go with the Z purely for that sweeeeeeet in-line 4 exhaust note !
1/4 mile times a bit faster too
It cost 15lakh meanwhile speed twin around 11. So I don't think it's any compitition. Speed twin is all the way.
@@hiteshgujarathi4636 Note that you’re getting 2 more Cylinders for those additional $$ !
@@sathishrao7926 that won't cost that much TBH. Because z900 is priced 8.7 lakh and it's same bike nothing different. Yet rs cost 7 lakh more which is nonsense imo. So speed twin make much more sense that rs.
In the US the kawasaki is $900 cheaper
Triumph, no hesitation ... that big thumping parallel twin is way more appealing to me than just another down tuned in line 4. Plus I find the Speedy to be far more aesthetically pleasing, it's the one I'd much rather see waiting or me when I open the garage door 😉
The inline 4 is down tuned from what?
@@at9670 The non retro Z900 ... the RS uses the same engine but detuned / retuned. Z900 makes around 124bhp and the RS makes around 110bhp. It does mean the engine is less stressed in the RS though.
Both are great bikes. I went with a leftover 2014 Honda CB1100 for $6900 new. Best choice I ever made. Incredible machine. 😊
congrats on your purchase! Those cb1100s are hard to find.
saw a 3 year old (new) street triple for full price at dealer. triumph wont let them lower price., whos gonna buy that full price 3 years old, an eat all that depreciation?. not me.
The Kawasaki dealer in my town is across the street from the Triumph shop and they had a Z900RS on the floor when I was looking at the Speed Twin. The Kawasaki was also massively reduced in price and had a great aftermarket exhaust system fitted. Visually, it looks good except for the cheap-looking radiator cap sticking out the side, and it was about $2500 less than the Triumph. So, I bought the Triumph. I bought the Triumph because Japanese dealerships in California do not allow test rides.
Could have hired one for that $2.5k
I've ridden enough bikes that I can make a decision based on a few TH-cam videos of the bikes being ridden. I hope you're happy with your choice, but what a lousy excuse.
Big L
The Triumph looks ugly in my opinion
Id never buy a car or bike without being able to drive/ride it first. That's insane.
I may have commented on this video in the past, but I keep watching it and enjoying your comparison. I tested both machines (the older ST) and ended up choosing the Z900RS. For a number of reasons, an interesting choice. In 40 years I've ridden but never owned more than 2 cylinders, so was biased to the ST. It also had more immediate character, but the Z grows slowly and does have a soul. Both are wonderful to ride - again, the ST instantly gives confidence and a grin, and the Z is instantly capable garnering respect, but the grin takes a few more miles. Both handle well and have superlative engines. The Z is, in my opinion, far better finished and engineered, certainly close up. And the dealer network plays a part - much closer, for me anyway. So the choice was not difficult and I am in love with the Z. Can't see myself getting rid of it whilst I can ride.
That said, you're analysis is spot on - the two are so close it's down to your budget and preference. Probably down to some daft thing like colour or stripes. One things for sure, if my budget extended to two bikes, they would be parked alongside each other in my garage.
Well said, so true.
Looks. Engine Configuration. Reliability. Manufacturer / Dealer support. Value. Maintenance schedule/cost/time. Those are some of the questions I ask myself when trying to decide between a couple bikes. Personally I prefer twins. V-twins, P-Twins with 270 degree cranks.
I’ve ridden both many times. The Speed Twin is definitely the better looking and more refined bike overall, but for pure performance and speed, the Kawasaki wins hands down.
For pure performance and speed I'd get a supersports or a liter bike 😁 not a classic so you'd get the triumph too right??😂
@@ykevin0607 Correct (I have a Honda cb1000r). But between the two in the video, they're apples and oranges from a performance standpoint
@@madrat5176 so now you have a cb1000r with your own money you'd get that triumph right??? 😂
@@ykevin0607 I’d still get the Kawasaki. Much better engine and performance oriented frame/suspension. I had a Bonneville about 12 years ago and it was a cool looking bike, but slow and rather boring otherwise.
@@madrat5176 If I were him I would still pick Z900RS, but CB1000R is definitely a better bike than both with exceptional reliability... also more expensive.
I was posed the same question in 1976. I opted for the T140v, my neighbour bought the Z900. I belted him on the twisties.
@@kawasakizrx1164 Yea some guys ride like there are cash a prizes waiting for them if they outrun a faster bike. Got a buddy like that. Unfortunately he is usually to injured to ride.
I love the z900RS compared to Speed twin, yet I will choose the Speed twin considering the stupendous price of Z900RS in India. In international market the situation could be very different!
I think Thailand and India have free trade agreements. Triumph making all their bikes there (except TFC) is helping their case. Though Made In Japan Z900RS is undoubtedly the more bulletproof.
here in the Philippines, the RS is almost half the price of the Speed Twin and a few cheaper than the Street Twin. Crazy!
Both beautiful machines, but as I get older I prefer the easy-going nature of a torquey engine, so it's the Triumph for me.
Same here, had both and ditched the triumph. The Z engine is butter smooth, can' t say the same thing about the speed twin one
Triumphs are a lovely engine… sold my last iL4 after I turned it into a very angry bike! 😆
@@PaoloD2R2 i have heard that they are really smooth
I`ve put over 50,000 km on my Zrs and I have loved every single one of them, I`m sure the Triumph is a good bike too but I wouldn`t get rid of my Kawi.
I had the very same dilemma last year. What did I do? I purchased a 2021 Thruxton RS Gloss Black and a 2003 used Kawasaki ZRX 1200R Candy Lime Green. All boxes checked!
Good review, reliability and warranty are important factor ! If I had to choose one, it would be Kawasaki. I think retro style is not just the round headlight, the ergonomics of bikes is a key factor, the height, rise and sweep of the handlebar information is as important information as engine or break information. Not mention in reviews!!!
Why do you think that “reliability and warranty” favour the Kawasaki”?
@@Jon-zj2nj I think also like H S, the Kawa is mor reliable. This japanese engine runs 100 000 kilometers with no problem at all.
@@Zimmermann310
100,000 km is certainly a good starting point.
Here is a 2018 Bonneville with 100,000 miles / 160,000 km….
th-cam.com/video/J9Re-i7tUK0/w-d-xo.html
2019 model speed Twin, the updated one just hasn't got that retro look
I enjoyed the test ride on both machines. I think that within the first 2 miles you will know which one is "talking" to you. If you are truthful to yourself about the the sort of riding you will be doing and the people you will be doing it with, the decision will be easy. I went with a (used) Triumph T120.
I would wait for the Z900RS ES with the upgrades. Yes, a bit more money but if you're going this far might as well go all the way.
My Kawasaki dealer told me they were all sold as it was only a special edition.
Oh yeah too bad gold forks but yeah mo better brakes and suspension, give me the gauche forks
Exactly and that’s why I put my order in and it’s finally the retro colours that I’ve been waiting for, winner winner 👍
@@tigerick7291 I thought it was limited availability due to supply chain issues and this would continue in 2023. But my Triumph dealer doesn't appear to have an issue getting bike and two 660's showed up last week and the RE shop has a good selection too.
Only problem is on the se Öhlins shocker they won’t give the spring rate so a waste of money if you’re not in the range per chance
I’ve tested and enjoyed both and the Speed Twin just feels more fun and a lot lighter to flick side to side. I didn’t buy either but went with a BMW R1250R, which smokes both across all measures as it should given the price difference. I went to the BMW dealer to try an R9T by the way but the versatility of the R1250R won me over.
I get the same feeling with the r1250r, never ridden it but ,I think next summer i will get the bm , what screenmust i add for wind protection please
@@warrenventer I have the OEM flyscreen, which works well for me on the highway. It gives a narrow strip of protection if you stay directly behind it, which is fine for the highway.
The z900rs is a more attractive bike than the r1250r imo any one over 90hp will give you enough thrill unless it ways 700 lbs like a Harley
I also have a ‘20 R1250R but am thinking of getting a sporty retro-style bike to join it in the garage (also have a sportbike). Considering the Z900RS and the Speed Twin. The Kawasaki Z900RS seems to me perhaps just too similar in basic look (big naked roadster) and stance to the R1250R, though. At 6’1” I’m concerned that the Speed Twin could be a bit too small. The T120 is probably underpowered for my taste. Been mulling this over for months and still no closer to a decision.😕
Hi BOB. As a short rider it would have be the Speed Twin for me. Triumph has done a great job on
this bike.
Wonderful an amazing bike ✌️
The low end grunt and massive midrange on the Kawasaki are often understated, it makes more torque than most open class liter/superbikes at a much lower RPM and there are no flat spots anywhere, it pulls like a freight train to redline. I came off of a 2009 R1 and honestly am astonished by this Kawasaki, suspension is also fully adjustable which is huge. I have tweaked mine to perfection and it doesn’t need any aftermarket bits to be superb.
Love your videos man. One of the best produced in the all of the moto industry
You always on point with the things you share.
I own a 2020 speed twin and I absolutely love riding it, I also was thinking of getting the Z900RS 2022 Candy Tone Blue color.
Just brought the 22 candy blue one today in Brisbane Australia 👍👍
I’ve owned my Z900RS Jaffa (best colour) for over three years now but I’ve had a test ride on the Triumph Speed Twin. Personally I was happy to get back on my Kwacka. One thing though, why couldn’t they have had the 360° degree crank like on the old Meriden twins with their snarling sound? With a balancer it would work I’m sure. I think the fake V-twin sound has been done to death to be honest. By the way, the original Meriden Speed Twin was a 500cc, I once owned the sportier version, a T100A back in the 1960s.
I rode a 2018 Speed Twin and it was a very nice bike (especially the sound😍) but the ride by wire throttle was a too twitchy for me like the Yamaha Mt10, but overall the speed twin for me because of that crazy torque
I've owned 3 Triumphs including a Speed Triple, a thunderbird sport, and a thruxton. My first bike ever was a Kawi zx636r, but hadn't owned an inline 4 since 2009. I test rode both of these reviewed bikes. For whatever reason, I felt less connected with the Speed Twin than on the z900rs (cafe). The Kawi is so easily managed that I find I'm able to focus on my lines more than I ever have before. That said, the Triumphs 1200 engine is fantastic. Personally I preferred the thruxton 1200 to the speed twin, but if you're avoiding clip-ons then that rules that out.
Every time is a happy trip.
I have both, Speedy and Kawa.
Kawa is for longer trips, Triumph is a bull.
Speed Twin is a direct motor between legs
Z900 rs 4 cylinders...smooth...but aggressive too
So, i have both sides 😉😉
Hi. Can you tell me a bit about heat coming from the engines and long-trip's vibrations on both?
Had a Z900RS, sold it and still regret it. Was an amazing bike.
What bike did you have to replace it?
@@waynejames1178 Long story... bought a Triumph Bobber but didn't like it (hard suspension), then got myself a Harley Low Rider S... great bike, but very uncomfortabel riding position so finally decided to look for something that combines comfort and sportiness, and got a BMW R1250R. Beast of a bike, but I still miss the look and the smoothness of the RS.
@@lapinobel That's interesting, I bought the r9t but the sound of the speed twin is drawing me in .
I own a 2018 Z900rs. I absolutely love this bike.
It’s the perfect road bike. Perfect blend of nostalgia/ heritage & modern goodness.
This one is a keeper.
Nothing like the old GPZs I started on over 35 years ago, these new Kawasaki Z900RS/KZ948s 😉are smooth as a sewing machine in the lower RPMs and growl like old school KZ 1000 in the higher RPMs, they handle and brake way better as well and have ABS and traction control that work seamlessly
Discovering this channel comes at a very opportune time for me. I grew up on Japanese bikes - Z-1's mainly (two of which still reside in the garage in desperate need of restoration). But in the 1990's I made the Big Shift over to the Harley Davidson Sportster. I'm on my fourth (although there was a brief, unsatisfactory flirtation with a Dyna Street Bob). But I've come to a point where I'm finally going to ditch the Sportster. That decisive day came the first time I saw a Triumph Street Twin. God, I love that bike! I just wish it came with spoke wheels. If one did, it would already be in the garage. So the Speed Twin was going to be the weapon of choice... And then Kawasaki came out with the Z900RS. Dammit! Now I can't decide which one I want. I've got a certain level of brand-loyalty to Kawasaki...but I do love the new Triumphs. Decisions, decisions... This video, as much as I appreciate it, isn't making the choice any easier.
I have a Z900RS Cafe and I absolutely love it. I never have cared much for parallel twins. They just seem to vibrate too much. But maybe that's not the case with the Speed Twin as I've never ridden one. I really like my HD Softail but it has a counterbalanced motor so it doesn't vibrate much. Tons of low-end torque with a 1750cc motor. I love having both bikes cuz they are complete opposites. I really love the smoothness of the inline 4 on the Kawi. It brings back memories of my youth since I haven't ridden and inline-four since the 80s. And I love the way Kawasaki went with a 4 into 1 exhaust. Back in the day everyone took their four into four exhaust off their Kawis and replaced them with Kerker 4 into 1's. Much cleaner look and better sound. I have no troubles with mine around town. Especially on a hot day since it's liquid-cooled.
Based on looks alone these two are on the top of my shortlist for my next bike. Looking forward to testing them both next year
The cooling fins aren't fake. They do provide some cooling.
I would genuinely have either one in a heartbeat.
The only thing I'd want added is an up and down quick shifter.
One of those modern features I absolutely adore
Same thoughts here. Will wait for the version of Speed Twin with quickshifter and blipper.
Love the speed twin, but got to say it would be the Kwaka for me, that thing is one awesome bike, just need to hide that radiator somewhere.
Love the look of the Speed Twin. Have to ride them to see which one of I was buying.
The Speed twin might be meaty but believe me the Kwak doesn`t lack anything in town. I`ve ridden it (in Bristol) and it is very willing from low down, has a very nippy feel to it, reminiscent of the old 675 triples aka a Very Good Thing :) A slightly less than perfect on/off throttle was what turned me away from the otherwise gorgeous and useful Zed.
Not much can compare soundwise to a Bonneville T120 with the Motone X pipe and either Predator Pro or Remus slip ons- absolutely perfect grunt and boy does it turn heads!!
Finally…
I was waiting for that for so long, thanks for doing that
It’s about time someone compared these obvious competitor. Thanks for the great video, mate!
Just out of interest,what replaced it?
@@waynejames1178 I’m not sure I understand the question.
@@jasonbarton7189 I'm not surprised , my comment was meant for someone else. Apologies for the confusion.
@@waynejames1178 no worries!
I demoed both and far preferred the Triumph for it's lighter steering and instant low rev pull. I ended up buying a Tenere 700 for it's greater versatility.
I'm surprised you didn't pick the tiger 😳 having riden a triumph
@@wickedleeloopy2115 I fully intended to try a Tiger 900 but when I went back to my local Triumph dealer the staff seemed far more interested in being all pally with their existing customers than attending to a potential new one. I felt very much like they saw me as a bit of a timewaster and was largely ignored.
Also, I'd like to see the RNineT entered into this discussion.
We're truly spoiled for choice.
Agreed. The r nine t is the one I'm considering.
The r9-t has the punchy power of a twin and the horsepower of the z900rs
@@chrisredfield3240 yes it's a very torquey engine and also the shaft drive appeals to me.
@@jamesclarkson3009 i really like the boxer engine now. People moan it sticks out at the sides, but after boots and legs it's probably less than an inch. You can get some nice covers and if it falls over it doesn't go right down.
@@chrisredfield3240 I actually like the look of the boxer engine but yeah does split opinions. It also still has a really good lean angle. I wouldn't want to put engine covers on but totally get why people do.
These two bikes need to be compared again!
I vote. another, more detailed longer video on these to head to head.
I’ve ridden both and am still seriously struggling with what to buy.
A twin cylinder engine must only be compared to a twin itself. Z900RS can't be compared to it.
But, I am shocked to see comments in the favor of Triumph. It really makes excellent bikes. Even Z900 owners praise the refinement of Street 765 RS and it can cope-up well with 1000cc bikes 🔥💯
Not really directly comparable. One is a twin, the other a four. I'd go with the Speed Twin. All that torque so low down.
Z900rs if you haven’t ridden one you owe it to yourself it’s a rocket with plenty of torque unlike any inline 4 I’ve ridden
@@xclent1975 Thanks.
I say it is because price is very close.
Z900rs. Best bike i've ever had !
765 Triple (non T plane) inside of the current gen Speed Twin, with previous gen 9 spokers and swap silly side/carb covers for simple T100 style ones and that’s the winner for me.
I’d take the z900rs. I’m taller and own a 74 CB550 which still runs like a peach. Kawasaki quality is just higher than Triumph. And in-line 4’s are nicer to ride longer distance
Is it? The fit and finish on the Triumph looks top.
the quality is absolutely not higher on the Kawi than the Triumph my friend. Don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. I've been on both, and own one of them. Ask me how I know
The Triumph looks well built and the Z900RS has some cheap plastic parts on it, but reliability the Kawasaki is among the best and not forget how good it looks
I've got a 2018 Z900RS in candytone brown and I love it to bits!
Picked up my z900RS in May, and love it. I have a TLS1000 and a ZX9R C2, all different characters but the Z900RS is perfect all rounder
The only factor on the Triumph’s side is that it’s a Triumph - and besides, parallel twins are just oversized vibrators 😂 All the numbers are for nought although the Kawi wins anyway. The Kawi is a world apart in terms of build quality, ride quality, the brilliant torque curve, a delicious motor, motorcycle character, performance, reliability, heritage, loveability, the ferocious growl of its happily under-tuned inline four and plain ol’fun-to-ride. Z900 wins hands down!
I think the finish on the Triumph is much nicer. Though I love the look of the Z900RS
The z900rs looks better imo, but the Speed Twin feels physically small for such a big engine bike and thus fits me better. So for me, the nod goes to the Triumph, notwithstanding the smaller gas tank.
I have a tricked out Z900RS Cafe and also a tricked out XSR900. Both are awesome bikes, but in the end I prefer the Yamaha ever so slightly compared to the Kawi. That Yamaha triple is just such a great engine. My Z900 has a Brocks exhaust, and the XSR has a Graves. They both sound phenomenal, but I give the edge again to the Yamaha. I'd love to add one of these Speed Twins to the garage because I just love the look, of the bike and I'd really like that low down torque the motor produces. I will own one of these eventually!
The one thing that puts me off the Triumph is it’s so small; being over 6ft tall l feel I’d look silly on it. The Kawasaki’s better performance on motorways makes it even more compelling.
I still love my 2019 Speed Twin. I really need to get a ride on a Z900RS. When I've been on a four cylinder Honda CB1000R, yes lots of top end, but the engine had to be wound up to get it going. I'm guessing the Z900RS will be similar. In which case I'd prefer the twin, or really a triple :-D
Triumph , please please PLEASE make a Speed Twin look-a-like , with a 1000 cc or more triple engine (and QS option). Doesn't need the 180 BHP of the 1160cc triple. 130BHP would be more than enough, for me at least ! (I have told them this in the surveys they send me !)
Speed Twin all day long 😍
I ride a 2015 Bonnie and I love it, but if some sort of z900 had been available at that time I’d have chosen it definitely
Love the look of both these bikes, would be a tough choice to choose my favourite. Just buying an older Monster 1000ie to get my retro kicks, Cheers Motobob
I have a Z900 RS Cafe, and I love it!
The RS lacks the rear twin shocks as the Speed has which gives it that retro look style to it, I think that the Speed Twin turns heads when parked or passes by rather than the RS. Both are great bikes but I would get the Speed due to better retro looks and design. Kawasaki should of brought back a modernized ZR1000 Zephyr or a ZRX1200R.
Agree,the Z needs twin shocks,plus the old style tank badge.....That modern version looks wrong on a retro.
I am lucky enough to own a Z900rs and a bmw R1250R , I did look at the speed twin but the bmw beats it on power and torque, even though it costs a bit more it still gives more grins per mile
When you say looked,did you ride it?the fact that it makes all that torque low down is drawing me towards it, I find my r 9 t quite buzzy at motorway speeds so I guess I need a test drive on the triumph.
@@waynejames1178 I test rode t100, then t120 and did the speed twin last and I must admit was a bit disappointed . The t120 was more punchy but I preferred the riding position of the speed twin . The bmw was better all round . The Z900rs is a cracking bike and surprised me when I test rode it.
With the bmw I have owned a gs, gsa and the s1000xr in the past and the r is best boxer I have ridden
@@markdolman9056 thanks , I guess I'm going to have to test some over the winter .all these reviews just hurt my head 🐒
@@markdolman9056 Interesting. I Have a 1200GS, but got the R1250R as a loan bike and loved it. Wasn't sure if it was the new engine or the smaller 'dinkier' feeling after the GS. I have a V7 as a 2nd bike but thinking about trading it for the R - but maybe 2 boxers in the garage is overkill.
In my experience, riding 2 and 4 cylinder bikes, my choice will be 4, I just prefer how they feel and run.
I agree. My two bikes so far have been a 1969 Triumph T100 and a 1982 Suzuki GS650G. The first was a twin and I loved the feel of it, but when I switched to the inline four I fell for that sewing machine smoothness.
Big Zed every time. I've had mine three years and still grin every time I get on it.
The actual comparison I was looking at. Well done. Thanks
Guzzi v7 my friend . Worth every penny
I would say most riders would probably choose the bike from the dealership closest to them. They are so similar and both are great looking, fun bikes.
Both bikes looks perfect, but I like the P2 sound of the Speed Twin more.
I was about to buy the Speed Twin! Super motor, great workmanship, great optics. and then I bought a Tenere 700👌 ! Greats
Add the Ducati Monster into the mix and there is my dilema. I know it's a different bike but I would use it for the same type of riding.
Both awesome bikes but... I bought a Z900RS. Got a deal I couldn't say 'no' to. Very happy w/the bike.
The cooling fins on that Kawi aren't fake.
Granted the cooling is small but NOT zero.
Therefore not fake.
Good comparaison. Both bikes are good options for someone looking for a nice looking retro bike with performance. However, the twin with that down low torque just makes more sense for any riding outside of a track day.
I had both. And after 1 year, sold the triumph. The reasons? a lot. 1-excessive heat from the triumph, right side is stupid hot during the summer, couldn' t even ride it comfortably in city. The radiator is WAY too small for a 1200cc and it shows. 2-Slow ABS system. From time to time, a bit of damaged tarmac was more than enough to upset the ABS system during very heavy braking: it simply was uncapable to cope and braking distance had to be measured in parsec. After a compilation of brown underwear i got fed up. 3-the engine is TOO GRUNTY for a relaxed ride, but the frame AND suspension are clearly not designed for an aggressive ride. The bike ended up in a sort of nowhere land and fell short to be enough sporty or enough laid back. 4-font end IS and WILL ALWAYS BE too vague compared to the rock solid Z900RS one you set up the suspension properly. Something that you CANNOT DO with the triumph: moroever, triumph forks are stupid stiff, obvious reason is to mask the lack of hydraulic control of the cartridges. UPs for the speed twin? beautiful, nice fit and finish, good engine with great fuel economy.
So why do triumph put silly short front mudguard on their bikes? Do they know it rains in England?
I've ridden bikes (and cars) from brands of almost every country(except Russia and China). And since I've never been a journalist, I had to buy each one of them. And when it comes to engineering quality and reliability, Made in Japan (,or made by Japanese) wins hands down.
My Z900rs SE yellowball cost a bit more new than than the standard rs. Punchy and fast enough for me though, and I do like the Triumph look; but the inline 4 is amazing.
Funny. You have to pick between a British cafe or a Japanese cafe. Both have a specific sound and feel. Not much difference between the 70's and now.
The question is, do you prefer old school British or Japanese? Both are fantastic retros.
Both of em are my dream bikes, i really like the design of both
Both nice bikes,but give me the looks,low down torque and sound of the twin any day.
Exactly about these motorbikes I'm thinking about for next year +XSR 900 ofc.
Love these pipe-dream comparisons. In the end though, I'll probably just keep my 1972 Triumph 650 5-speed that I bought for $200 USD in 2020. Does everything I want of a bike and is so simple. Doesn't need a battery, starts up on 1-4 kicks (usually), no stinking computers to fail and a total blast to flick around in traffic (387 Lbs.-175KG). I've sat on the new Triumphs at the dealer and it feels like riding a large farm animal. No thanks to either of the above bikes.
About as far apart and different as you can get ! Next comparison Honda postmans bike and a Hyabusa !😎👍
All good on the comparisons. However, having owned the Z900rs for three years, I can tell you that 19.5klm per litre is very optomistic. Maybe on highway riding at 90-100klm ph but more realistically, 15-17 kpltre is the norm. Even so, nothing twin is going to beat the pull of the Kawi. I know, I have Ducatis also.
That high consumption suprises me. I own the Yamaha XSR900 and I am consistently making 25/30 km per liter. It is a theee cylinder engine though...
In 1977 I went from suzuki T250hustler to Triumph T140 bonneville what a shit decision. Jap bikes were in a different league . Immediately within 3 weeks p/ex triumph for Cb750. Now looking at these retros they not dissimilar to 70s bikes. But the memories would make me buy the kwacker. Been on a speed twin and its nice but for the sound/engineering etc etc it would be the kwacker for me. People i know ride triumphs all seem to have electrical issues. Soz but the imprint from the 70’s is still there. Tried Bmw’s too but. Jap bikes are the best for me as a privateer self maintaining bike. Had 20 plus bikes over the years. If I was a designer, I would build twin, air cooled, shaft drive do it all bike. No coolant, no chain, big torque = riding pleasure. Only my opinion. Love this channel,, quality
Do you want the more expensive fake British bike made in Thailand, or the real Japanese retro made in Japan?
Do you want a small bike with non-adjustable old school suspension or a tall bike with fully adjustable modern suspension?
Do you want a city and short-distance cruising bike that you can impress your mates with, or do you prefer a long distance bike with a sporty character?
Also, you can add about 15-20 hp to the Z900RS with relatively inexpensive mods (fuel map, down pipes, maybe air box mod) making it the fastest retro classic I know of.
They're both great bikes but those are the main differences to me.
A hard choice love both bikes
Great comparison 👍🏻
No contest for me: Speed Twin all day. WAY more character. And way more unique.