yeah and it was the popular phone for rich people back then here in Indonesia (Before LG Prada the popular rich people phone was the nokia 8800 series)
I remember watching a video few days back about the history of Nokia and how it started off as a wood pulp mill and later strengthened its presence in other industrial domains by manufacturing rubber, tyres, cables, wires, TVs etc. It’s interesting to see that how companies like Nokia and Blackberry have built such a great reputation for themselves that despite having minimum to no presence in the production of mobile phones at present, one can always put their trust in the operations of its other subsidiaries as well… (at least I do!)
The Motorola Rugged phones story is even weirder: they are build by Bullit (as you said), but they seem to be based on Motorola Mobility designs. The 2021 Defy had a XT2083-9 model number, similar to the Moto G9 Play it's clearly based (XT1083-1).
so in that case it's more like one of those car conversion companies, lenovo gives them the parts, they make the changes, and then both of them license out via Motorola.
Such a brilliant and extremely informative video Michael. I completely agree with you. As someone who worked in retail for a long time, I made it my mission to help customers by trying to provide this kind of information. Customers need to be aware of what they are buying. Myself personally, I spend days if not weeks and months researching before I buy anything. Where a product is made, who it’s made by etc…
It is worth pointing out that, just like the Nokia brand story, the same happened with Motorola: the one renamed Solutions after the split IS the original parent company (and a big one at that). Mobility was just one of various branches, which was sold to Google then landed at Lenovo. Another similarity: Nokia made home network stuff (like home routers and modems), at least until the dawn of the ADSL era. Motorola did too under its Home division and lasted longer, until 2012 when Arris bought it all. So if you have one of those very popular cable modems, chances are its just a rebranded/evolved Big M device.
Also like Sony and Ericsson. After the "merger" on mobile phones and we got SE devices way back, Erickson is a network hardware company that builds our mobile networks.
As someone who is part of the newer generation, this is a well informative video, astounding and confusing that these stuff exists, What if the device we are currently using now is another one of these licensing stuff. Damn, so much to learn. If only these were the questions in an exam or test. Haha.
My 5130 XpressMusic still rocks. Nice loud speaker, MP3 player buttons, good old J2ME java games and a decent 2MP camera were and still are quite good.
They started off really awesome. Android one software, fast , guaranteed, and consistent updates of android firmware and reasonable pricing and compromises on mid range smartphones. I had the Nokia 7.1 and prior to google creating the Pixel A series it was basically the cheap pixel experience. Currently however, they make junk and have pretty much squandered all that good will. I wouldn’t touch one of their android phones with a 10 foot pole.
@@bernielomax4702 Ugh, sorry to hear that. The 6.1 is/was a great phone (currently in a drawer 10 inches under my left hand) but I jumped ship for the Pixel 4a. It's dying battery is hard to live with but I can't use a >6 inch screen phone. I will probably sell my soul to an Apple mini or SE. Pray for me.
During era where they released 6.1, 7.1 etc phones they were really good and they did a lot of things right. Current Nokia phones are just low quality underpowered and overpriced garbage. Funny thing is that they can't get right even clear Android. For example Nokia 5.3 is impossible to reset to factory setting after android 12 update that came more than a year late. For some reason the update deletes recovery partition meaning that the phone deletes it's OS but it can't restore it so the phone is bricked and with bootloader being locked there is not way to fix it. Rest of the phones have so many bugs they are barely usable and the promise of monthly security updates? Yeah if you are lucky you'll get one in 3-4 months.
The brand Vertu went into bankruptcy, and then a Chinese coompany bought the branding and makes phones, however they misleadingly say the same "Made in England" branding, but the Vertu factory was demoished and has since been replaced with a shopping centre and Vertu now has no footing even in Europe, meaning they are lying. You can only find Vertu being sold in China, Russia and the middle East.
Really fascinated by the collection of your vintage phones that make special appearances in between these videos… that means all these will also be featured in the upcoming episodes of ‘When Phones Were Fun’, right? 😃
@@TheMrMobile Thanks for always delighting us with such amazing information about some of the most awesome gadgets ever made! 🙏 You are the best at what you do! 😃👍
Miss my Nokia 5185i from yesteryear! I had that activated on PagePlus Cellular as recently as 5 years ago too (they would still activate them as they picked up the Verizon 1x service) 💯
In Brazil, initially Nokia phones were manufactured and branded by Gradiente, the largest electronics company in the country at the time. Yeah, the same Gradiente that tried to sue Apple for the iPhone trademark a few years back. But that's another story. Nowadays, you can find VAIO and Compaq notebooks and Infinix Phones in many stores, all built under license by Positivo Tecnologia.
Interesting -- especially with regards to VAIO, who as a company still sells designs and sells notebooks themselves in other regions (though outside of Japan in Asia, is licensed to the Hong Kong based _Nexstgo_ ).
I know for sure AT&T and zte have a similar licensing relationship. If you look at the product catalog, the AT&T /cingular branded devices are actually mostly made by ZTE
Weirdest one for me recently-ish was LG, they announced their last phone (the LG wing I think?) using LG UK, funny thing was, its been impossible to get an LG phone on a network over here for quite a few years before that, if you knew, it was a strange choice, if you didn't you'd just think "LG still release phones?"
There were a few variations after the Wing, according to GSMArena. But I still want to believe it was the last one, since it is probably the most perfectly unnecessary screen design ever, which fits very well with LG.
Nokia is better but has a minimal chipset choice, Motorola (Lenovo) lags at updates and TCL still makes mediocre forgettable devices without the "Blackberry" brand name
I'm surprised you didn't mention Phillips! Phillips doesn't make lights, airfryers, and TVs anymore. Even though in many sectors it's the most famous brand, all of the products are actually created by different companies.
@@monkeydluffy9011 My point was that those products (apart from the medical devices you mentioned) are NOT made by phillips. They're made by other companies licensing the brand name, similar to what was mentioned in the video. I do not really have an opinion about the quality of those products, though my hue lights, airfryer, computer monitors, and shaving device work fine.
I was thoroughly impressed with how informative and well-researched your video was. Your deep knowledge of the mobile industry was evident throughout the video.id like to see more of this type of content. Greetings from Ireland. 🇮🇪
I'm actually interested in the quircky nature of the JDM phones especially when phones branded by their respecticve carriers and wondering who made them
The whole thing about providers branding products from Sony, HTC and all the others was also very confusing. Especially if they put different software on it to make it "Tele-Com" or "Sprint" or "Swisscom" here in Switzerland. They even rolled out software updates by themselfs rather than by the manufacturer (or not at all).
Same thing happened when IBM stopped making PCs... They still make computers just for commercial use like a cash register for Golden Coral I saw a few years ago in the 2010's. Also Radio shack and toy's R' us are still in buissnus just more limited then they were beofore.
Right. One of my first PCs was a "Packard Bell," a brand known for televisions and radios before it was acquired by a totally different company to make discount PCs.
While I already know most of the stuff in the video, you presented it in such an easily digestible way that I now don't have to explain the stuff myself and just refer people to this video. Nice.
Funny thing, back in 2014, at the beginning of the LTE Voice tests, mostly know nowadays by VoLTE, I was working in the biggest Telecom Company in Portugal. I had in my hand for some months, while testing, a brand new, never released phone from Microsoft/Nokia, based in the Lumia 1520, with the Initial VoLTE hardware and software for testing and a ton of laser engravings on the back for identification of who leaked the images of the never released phone (it is normal even for Apple, who I also had models to test before releasing). That company had all the Core Network and 3G antenna controllers branded NSN, that was the Nokia Siemens Networks, the Nokia that nowadays have the new Logo (who also made another rebranding before, changing their main logo from Nokia Siemens Networks to NSN and now this rebranding).
I love your vids! I really just love tech and cell phones in general and your videos are just INTERESTING. I don't watch them for a class or for some business venture, I watch them to be informed on what I like and you deliver every time. Great channel sir.
Blackberry 10 was the best software that ever came out. Full functionality and without the clutter and bloatware of Android nor the restrictions of iOS. The gesture based buttonless UI paved the way for iphone 10 and whatever followed in Android after that. If Apple had bought them would awesome. Lets not forget QNX may be the most efficient and stable multitasking software on the planet that is why it is on all VW group cars. Maybe im hopelessly romantic but i still believe a full BB10 overlay over stock Android would make an awesome phone. Android versions of the hub were a failure so far. One can dream 😆
I had a Blackberry Classic when I was in high school. I'll never forget it. BB10 was fluid, logical, elegant and bespoke. There were so many little details in the UX that made it a more comfortable experience than iOS and Android, even now. Like the swipe-based functionality, or bedside mode and its warm red clock face, or the hub, which piled the notifications in from all your apps into one place. Even the font choices and the aesthetic of the icons, which were this clever fusion of iOS flat design and Android material. It had so much potential to make an iconic smartphone, but it was let down by lack of support and a stuffy brand image.
@@AskTheo_ probably not. Nobody talks about BB10, let alone BlackBerry at all. There's no cache or appeal in the name, and it's more of a shorthand for dated, out-of-touch tech used by old businessmen now. But hopefully some functionality and ideas will have carry on into bigger OSes in the future.
Think Imma look into that Delete Me, I've deleted my accounts with Facebook Twitter and Discord over the last couple years because of their overreach. I got one friend that keeps ragging on me for it (calls it a lost cause) but I just don't like the idea of everybody in my business.
This video was fantastic. And I shouldn't be surprised because you make such great videos all the time. But this video's topic was extra interesting because it legitimately cover a topic I've never seen explored. Thank you! Bravo!
Mr Mobile, I'm going on an intercontinental vacation in summer and thinking about buying a new phone over there. I'm a corporate business user, happy with my Flip 3 but wondering what else is out there in Europe and east Asia. Maybe a recommendation video topic? I miss my BB KeyOne and Passport, would be open to a Nokia.
Same thing happened to Sony's VAIO computer brand and camera manufacturer Olympus, they branch off their well known lines into a new company but still retains ownership and licenses out of their name to aforementioned new company.
You still have my vote about getting the darn manufacturers back to making phones fun and unique again Like with the Pixel fold. You know damn well they could have given us a less chunky bezel folding device. But you know they are just going to use that as an excuse to incrementally improve the phone I'm so sick and tired of these brands doing "just enough" to maybe consider it an upgrade I seriously miss those days when new ideas were just around every corner. Especially when it came with design (not so much software) However I swear, software would be a easy way to incorporate new a fresh experiences. Like new *full* themes on everything on your phone Oh well...
You've done it again friend! You've managed to transport me back to a time when cellphones were becoming smartphones, when I was becoming the tech nerd I still am today. How did you do it? Well like other episodes, one simple sound. The sound in this one was that oh so satisfying CLAP from that ESPN flip phone. That has to be one of the best I've ever heard and if i close my eyes and listen again I'm transported to being outside the convenience store around the corner from my childhood house, with my buddies around me. As always, I'm the first one out of my friend group to have the next big tech gadget. I my Moto V557 as if everyone's watching and envious of me and how cool I look. Thanks again for another fantastic video Michael! You're truly the one youtuber that i enjoy every single second lf every single video, and I'm always excited to watch. Keep at it Sir, keep Mobile history alive! People like me love and appreciate it.
The weirdest branding ever was probably the Escobar Fold, which was just a pirate rebranded Royole FlexPai. The first foldable phone ever. And FlexPai at the same time was probably just a re-engineer phone from other company, since Royole wasn't a phone company at all, just an startup to develop flexible screens (and hinges). Crazy story. I still love the FlexPai, it has a much better aspect ratio than any other foldable. Unfortunately it is as fragile as it gets.
Some budget Sony Ericsson phones (the W395, for example), were actually produced by Siemens. Those were often, if not always, further crippled in software, e.g. lacking support for custom themes. As such, SE has licensed their own hardware platforms to other manufacturers at some point too.
Almost 3 years ago, I bought a low-end android phone branded sa Hyundai, in the box the label obviously marked as licensed from Hyundai Korea and I think it was licensed to unknown Chinese electronic company.
we definitely should be aware of the real company that we're dealing with and putting our trust in when buying their products. Such an intriguing video, thanks for sharing with us Michael.
Great video, I always had a soft spot for the OG erricsson phones before Sony got hold of them , quick question though, whet is that circular screen you’re wearing on your lapel ?
@@TheMrMobile looks cool, perhaps you do a video on it, do you find in recent years it seems the problems seem to lye more with software glitches rather than the hardware itself
"Hey get it right! We're Nokia, not Nokia, we're the self owned cellphone brand not the original company called Nokia who makes other network devices that connect to your cellphone, thats not confusing at all"
All of this reminds me of Volvo, they are the perfect example in the automotive world. The consumer part (Volvo Cars) is own by Geely, a huge Chinese automaker since 2010 (They also own Lotus) and Ford since 1999, but the trucks, buses and heavy equipment are still owned by the original Swedish Volvo, the official name is AB Volvo. Everyone thinks they are the same, but they are not.
speaking of it , BBK is a chinese company that owns oneplus, oppo,nothing,vivo,realme,iqoo trc so when u buy any of those brands u really buying a bbk phone and not a phone from a swedish or british startap as ur led to beleve looking at u oneplus and nothing
Mr Fisher, didn't more than a few of Nokia's management start HMD (instead of just one)? If memory serves (often a double fault now at my age) HMD started with most of the Nokia mobile management people. They may no longer be there, of course. I just mean at the beginning of the split.
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Everybody forgot about LG and Prada. A beautiful partnership lasted for 3 iterations
Damn. I have one of these in the archive too; I shoulda shot it for this!
There was the famous case that the first iphone copied it since it came out at the same time. Was an interesting one.
yeah and it was the popular phone for rich people back then here in Indonesia (Before LG Prada the popular rich people phone was the nokia 8800 series)
What’s the folding phone you’re reading Twitter on???
Hahaha and I loved it Lg G 7 thing. We only got rid of it because 5g was starting and sprint was bought.
I remember watching a video few days back about the history of Nokia and how it started off as a wood pulp mill and later strengthened its presence in other industrial domains by manufacturing rubber, tyres, cables, wires, TVs etc. It’s interesting to see that how companies like Nokia and Blackberry have built such a great reputation for themselves that despite having minimum to no presence in the production of mobile phones at present, one can always put their trust in the operations of its other subsidiaries as well… (at least I do!)
@@HiKshitijpretty much
The Motorola Rugged phones story is even weirder: they are build by Bullit (as you said), but they seem to be based on Motorola Mobility designs. The 2021 Defy had a XT2083-9 model number, similar to the Moto G9 Play it's clearly based (XT1083-1).
so in that case it's more like one of those car conversion companies, lenovo gives them the parts, they make the changes, and then both of them license out via Motorola.
That feels like the point when you give up trying to understand.
There's a new Defy? I remember wanting one so bad so I could play angry birds in the swimming pool
Such a brilliant and extremely informative video Michael. I completely agree with you. As someone who worked in retail for a long time, I made it my mission to help customers by trying to provide this kind of information. Customers need to be aware of what they are buying. Myself personally, I spend days if not weeks and months researching before I buy anything. Where a product is made, who it’s made by etc…
DeleteMe is a crazy brand name 💀💀
When you're so early that the video is only available in 360p
Nah it's been 30 mins and its still 360p, did he mess up something?
yep. i like this topic so i will come back later to view it in 4k =))
@@powerman821 He didn't TH-cam takes a while to process the video.
Its in 4K come back now 😅
Mine is in 720 . Check your connection to Wi-Fi or cellular signal
It is worth pointing out that, just like the Nokia brand story, the same happened with Motorola: the one renamed Solutions after the split IS the original parent company (and a big one at that). Mobility was just one of various branches, which was sold to Google then landed at Lenovo.
Another similarity: Nokia made home network stuff (like home routers and modems), at least until the dawn of the ADSL era. Motorola did too under its Home division and lasted longer, until 2012 when Arris bought it all. So if you have one of those very popular cable modems, chances are its just a rebranded/evolved Big M device.
Also like Sony and Ericsson. After the "merger" on mobile phones and we got SE devices way back, Erickson is a network hardware company that builds our mobile networks.
As someone who is part of the newer generation, this is a well informative video, astounding and confusing that these stuff exists, What if the device we are currently using now is another one of these licensing stuff. Damn, so much to learn. If only these were the questions in an exam or test. Haha.
How are there no comments yet on how epic Michael’s hair is?
Still have a Nokia E71 (not being used). When you remove the battery there is a label that says "Made in Finland". It's built like a tank.
I miss Nokia and their mobile phones. I had the 5120, and a few others. I'd love to see what they could do today.
My 5130 XpressMusic still rocks. Nice loud speaker, MP3 player buttons, good old J2ME java games and a decent 2MP camera were and still are quite good.
@@LastofAvari I'd just ordered a n95 so I can play those old j2me gaves once again lmao.
@@aitoluxd How much did it cost? I wanna buy one too
The HMD Global Nokia phones where actually solid AF, I had the 6.1, 7.1, 6.2 & 7 Plus, recommended them alot, my favourite had to be the 6.1 TBH
They started off really awesome. Android one software, fast , guaranteed, and consistent updates of android firmware and reasonable pricing and compromises on mid range smartphones. I had the Nokia 7.1 and prior to google creating the Pixel A series it was basically the cheap pixel experience. Currently however, they make junk and have pretty much squandered all that good will. I wouldn’t touch one of their android phones with a 10 foot pole.
@@bernielomax4702 Ugh, sorry to hear that. The 6.1 is/was a great phone (currently in a drawer 10 inches under my left hand) but I jumped ship for the Pixel 4a. It's dying battery is hard to live with but I can't use a >6 inch screen phone. I will probably sell my soul to an Apple mini or SE. Pray for me.
During era where they released 6.1, 7.1 etc phones they were really good and they did a lot of things right. Current Nokia phones are just low quality underpowered and overpriced garbage.
Funny thing is that they can't get right even clear Android. For example Nokia 5.3 is impossible to reset to factory setting after android 12 update that came more than a year late. For some reason the update deletes recovery partition meaning that the phone deletes it's OS but it can't restore it so the phone is bricked and with bootloader being locked there is not way to fix it.
Rest of the phones have so many bugs they are barely usable and the promise of monthly security updates? Yeah if you are lucky you'll get one in 3-4 months.
I have X20 and i'm happy with this smartphone despite the fact it's so big and it take a long time to charge full
Ahhhh that 6.1 with those gold details. Such a beautiful device. I really miss it.
Speaking of Nokia, I'd love to see a video about the Nokia N9 and its failed (but brilliant) Meego OS.
The brand Vertu went into bankruptcy, and then a Chinese coompany bought the branding and makes phones, however they misleadingly say the same "Made in England" branding, but the Vertu factory was demoished and has since been replaced with a shopping centre and Vertu now has no footing even in Europe, meaning they are lying. You can only find Vertu being sold in China, Russia and the middle East.
Honestly a super helpful video explaining licensing and how these current and former phone companies keep popping up in our modern day.
Wow! That Motorola segment required it's own video altogether. Such an eye opening video. Thanks MrMobile!
Really fascinated by the collection of your vintage phones that make special appearances in between these videos… that means all these will also be featured in the upcoming episodes of ‘When Phones Were Fun’, right? 😃
Ha - theoretically, given enough time! 😄
@@TheMrMobile Thanks for always delighting us with such amazing information about some of the most awesome gadgets ever made! 🙏
You are the best at what you do! 😃👍
@@TheMrMobileYou replied in Hindi (Ha = Yes) ? That was a nice touch 😜
Thank you for making this video. It needed to be made, and you did an excellent job, as usual.
Still hoping Microsoft will make a weird version of Windows and Android combined to have a 4th Major mobile smartphone OS
is huaweis os the 3th?
Fourth? What’s the third?
@@CMxPunk huawei mobile is like a disowned child that end up pretty well for themselves all things considered.
Miss my Nokia 5185i from yesteryear! I had that activated on PagePlus Cellular as recently as 5 years ago too (they would still activate them as they picked up the Verizon 1x service) 💯
This is kind of a confusing topic, so I appreciate this video, it definitely does a good job explaining how it all works. Thanks Mr. Mobile!
In Brazil, initially Nokia phones were manufactured and branded by Gradiente, the largest electronics company in the country at the time. Yeah, the same Gradiente that tried to sue Apple for the iPhone trademark a few years back. But that's another story.
Nowadays, you can find VAIO and Compaq notebooks and Infinix Phones in many stores, all built under license by Positivo Tecnologia.
Interesting -- especially with regards to VAIO, who as a company still sells designs and sells notebooks themselves in other regions (though outside of Japan in Asia, is licensed to the Hong Kong based _Nexstgo_ ).
Ah...I miss Blackberry!
This video is a SLAM DUNK. Loved it, so great to have you telling these stories. Can't wait to see what you decide to cover the tales of next!
I never get tired of watching Michael Fisher's vidz... I always learn a lot of things...and history, and tech of course.
I know for sure AT&T and zte have a similar licensing relationship. If you look at the product catalog, the AT&T
/cingular branded devices are actually mostly made by ZTE
Oh I totally forgot about carrier-branded phones! That would have thickened up this video some. Dang.
@@TheMrMobileZTE also rebranded some phones for Orange, a network with a very interesting history.
6:38 there should be an app that changes all spam calls to parasitic blight on society 😂
Weirdest one for me recently-ish was LG, they announced their last phone (the LG wing I think?) using LG UK, funny thing was, its been impossible to get an LG phone on a network over here for quite a few years before that, if you knew, it was a strange choice, if you didn't you'd just think "LG still release phones?"
There were a few variations after the Wing, according to GSMArena. But I still want to believe it was the last one, since it is probably the most perfectly unnecessary screen design ever, which fits very well with LG.
I wish Moto, Blackberry and Nokia would bring back great phones that are updated on a regular and long basis.
I miss BlackBerry on a daily basis! 😢😢😢
Nokia is better but has a minimal chipset choice, Motorola (Lenovo) lags at updates and TCL still makes mediocre forgettable devices without the "Blackberry" brand name
The Priv and Key2 are still my favorite phones. I hate typing on touchscreens and an actual keypad is so much nicer.
Id like to see a whole episode about the CAT phones some them are bloody tough and feature rich
Agreed. They look like a very unique style of phone - perfect for MrMobile imo.
Not any more, but HMD used to be a building literally across road from Nokia proper, they moved a few years ago.
I loved that little factoid 😄
8:07 rip windows phone 📱. I'll always miss you
Still my top favourite mobile OS to date. Microsoft can easily resurrect the Lumia lineup with Windows on ARM.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Phillips! Phillips doesn't make lights, airfryers, and TVs anymore. Even though in many sectors it's the most famous brand, all of the products are actually created by different companies.
@@monkeydluffy9011 My point was that those products (apart from the medical devices you mentioned) are NOT made by phillips. They're made by other companies licensing the brand name, similar to what was mentioned in the video. I do not really have an opinion about the quality of those products, though my hue lights, airfryer, computer monitors, and shaving device work fine.
I had no idea!
Thank you, Michael, for another brilliant video, what are you teasing us with on your lapel?
That Saramonic mic really looks like a 1st gen Moto 360!
Had the key 2. Used it till my carrier said I couldn’t anymore. The day blackberry comes out with a new one I’ll get it
Thanks for that info. I didn't know about licensing like that 😅
I was thoroughly impressed with how informative and well-researched your video was. Your deep knowledge of the mobile industry was evident throughout the video.id like to see more of this type of content. Greetings from Ireland. 🇮🇪
I'm actually interested in the quircky nature of the JDM phones especially when phones branded by their respecticve carriers and wondering who made them
Ya normally I would skip and hate the length of sponsor spots or ads similar to yours, but I watch every bit of them because your videos are damn good
The resolution's at 360p for some reason
Edit:ok now its fixed a few hrs ago
Same. Not sure if the youtube compression is stuck on this video for some reason or not. I'll wait a bit and give it another go.
I believe this is the video where Michael Fisher channels his inner Miranda Priestly as he explains the convoluted web of brand licensing.
I’m surprised there wasn’t any mentioning of the new thinkpad phone. It would be great to see a review by mrmobile
The whole thing about providers branding products from Sony, HTC and all the others was also very confusing. Especially if they put different software on it to make it "Tele-Com" or "Sprint" or "Swisscom" here in Switzerland. They even rolled out software updates by themselfs rather than by the manufacturer (or not at all).
I use blackberry cumo suite on my military iPad. Its how we keep the CUI documents we have to carry around secure.
Unrelated, but I swooned at 8:03 when I saw the Moto X. What an amazing phone.
Same thing happened when IBM stopped making PCs... They still make computers just for commercial use like a cash register for Golden Coral I saw a few years ago in the 2010's. Also Radio shack and toy's R' us are still in buissnus just more limited then they were beofore.
Right. One of my first PCs was a "Packard Bell," a brand known for televisions and radios before it was acquired by a totally different company to make discount PCs.
Thanks for the video! Ah, I have to dig out some of my old Blackberries for the Blackberry movie next week.
Very well explained, please make a video covering Smartwatches & TWS too.
Fantastic video. Misconceptions regarding the operations of Nokia today really made the logo change a much bigger thing than it should have been 😆
Do a video like on Chinese Smartphone companies
While I already know most of the stuff in the video, you presented it in such an easily digestible way that I now don't have to explain the stuff myself and just refer people to this video. Nice.
That does not work. People just don't watch the content referred by others even if they gain a lot from that.
The way he said several years ago referring to 2020, made me feel really old.
Love your vids so Just keep 'em coming😊🎉
10:20 The reason why I've been sub'd to your channel for years now. Thanks MrMobile.
The way mobile world is now going, it is hard to trust brands like Nokia, Windows, BlackBerry, Sony.
0:21 seeing that BlackBerry priv made my heart ache because it had so much potential to be a truly awesome phone
Funny thing, back in 2014, at the beginning of the LTE Voice tests, mostly know nowadays by VoLTE, I was working in the biggest Telecom Company in Portugal.
I had in my hand for some months, while testing, a brand new, never released phone from Microsoft/Nokia, based in the Lumia 1520, with the Initial VoLTE hardware and software for testing and a ton of laser engravings on the back for identification of who leaked the images of the never released phone (it is normal even for Apple, who I also had models to test before releasing).
That company had all the Core Network and 3G antenna controllers branded NSN, that was the Nokia Siemens Networks, the Nokia that nowadays have the new Logo (who also made another rebranding before, changing their main logo from Nokia Siemens Networks to NSN and now this rebranding).
This was a surprisingly informative video, that I actually really enjoyed this is why I subscribed. Good job Mr Mobile!!
I love your vids! I really just love tech and cell phones in general and your videos are just INTERESTING. I don't watch them for a class or for some business venture, I watch them to be informed on what I like and you deliver every time. Great channel sir.
Impressive story you put together on this subject but what was more impressive is your expert use of pomade in the hair! BRAVO! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Blackberry 10 was the best software that ever came out. Full functionality and without the clutter and bloatware of Android nor the restrictions of iOS. The gesture based buttonless UI paved the way for iphone 10 and whatever followed in Android after that. If Apple had bought them would awesome. Lets not forget QNX may be the most efficient and stable multitasking software on the planet that is why it is on all VW group cars. Maybe im hopelessly romantic but i still believe a full BB10 overlay over stock Android would make an awesome phone. Android versions of the hub were a failure so far. One can dream 😆
I had a Blackberry Classic when I was in high school. I'll never forget it. BB10 was fluid, logical, elegant and bespoke. There were so many little details in the UX that made it a more comfortable experience than iOS and Android, even now. Like the swipe-based functionality, or bedside mode and its warm red clock face, or the hub, which piled the notifications in from all your apps into one place. Even the font choices and the aesthetic of the icons, which were this clever fusion of iOS flat design and Android material. It had so much potential to make an iconic smartphone, but it was let down by lack of support and a stuffy brand image.
@@andrewduong2740 totally agree mate
Lets hope someone resurrects this OS
@@AskTheo_ probably not. Nobody talks about BB10, let alone BlackBerry at all. There's no cache or appeal in the name, and it's more of a shorthand for dated, out-of-touch tech used by old businessmen now. But hopefully some functionality and ideas will have carry on into bigger OSes in the future.
That was a great video, very illuminating.
I think RIM and Nokia (the one with the new logo) will eventually become Siemens today.
I miss my physical keyboards Soo much. A family member found my old KeyOne in somewhere it shouldn't been. Sooo many memories.
Same with pretty much everything - you fav headphones or stereo, hell, even your childhood ice cream is probably some conglomerate
Very interesting video! I wish you would do more of these informative videos
The weird thing is Nokia owns 10% of HMD. So, the original Nokia sort of still make phones! 😮
HMD is also located in Finland, and was started by former Nokia execs, as far as I know.
Think Imma look into that Delete Me, I've deleted my accounts with Facebook Twitter and Discord over the last couple years because of their overreach. I got one friend that keeps ragging on me for it (calls it a lost cause) but I just don't like the idea of everybody in my business.
This video was fantastic. And I shouldn't be surprised because you make such great videos all the time. But this video's topic was extra interesting because it legitimately cover a topic I've never seen explored. Thank you! Bravo!
Thank you for keeping the recap of how Microsoft merked Nokia mercifully short. I still get flashbacks.
Love that Nest Thermostat lapel pin.
Does anyone know what it is?
@ReyFord It's a nest thermostat. He uses it to regulate his tenperature
Mr Mobile, I'm going on an intercontinental vacation in summer and thinking about buying a new phone over there. I'm a corporate business user, happy with my Flip 3 but wondering what else is out there in Europe and east Asia. Maybe a recommendation video topic? I miss my BB KeyOne and Passport, would be open to a Nokia.
Same thing happened to Sony's VAIO computer brand and camera manufacturer Olympus, they branch off their well known lines into a new company but still retains ownership and licenses out of their name to aforementioned new company.
You still have my vote about getting the darn manufacturers back to making phones fun and unique again
Like with the Pixel fold. You know damn well they could have given us a less chunky bezel folding device. But you know they are just going to use that as an excuse to incrementally improve the phone
I'm so sick and tired of these brands doing "just enough" to maybe consider it an upgrade
I seriously miss those days when new ideas were just around every corner. Especially when it came with design (not so much software)
However I swear, software would be a easy way to incorporate new a fresh experiences. Like new *full* themes on everything on your phone
Oh well...
You've done it again friend! You've managed to transport me back to a time when cellphones were becoming smartphones, when I was becoming the tech nerd I still am today. How did you do it? Well like other episodes, one simple sound. The sound in this one was that oh so satisfying CLAP from that ESPN flip phone. That has to be one of the best I've ever heard and if i close my eyes and listen again I'm transported to being outside the convenience store around the corner from my childhood house, with my buddies around me. As always, I'm the first one out of my friend group to have the next big tech gadget. I my Moto V557 as if everyone's watching and envious of me and how cool I look.
Thanks again for another fantastic video Michael! You're truly the one youtuber that i enjoy every single second lf every single video, and I'm always excited to watch. Keep at it Sir, keep Mobile history alive! People like me love and appreciate it.
The weirdest branding ever was probably the Escobar Fold, which was just a pirate rebranded Royole FlexPai. The first foldable phone ever. And FlexPai at the same time was probably just a re-engineer phone from other company, since Royole wasn't a phone company at all, just an startup to develop flexible screens (and hinges). Crazy story. I still love the FlexPai, it has a much better aspect ratio than any other foldable. Unfortunately it is as fragile as it gets.
You are so unique reviewer, I actually wait your uploads!
Some budget Sony Ericsson phones (the W395, for example), were actually produced by Siemens. Those were often, if not always, further crippled in software, e.g. lacking support for custom themes. As such, SE has licensed their own hardware platforms to other manufacturers at some point too.
Basic corporate BS. Sometimes it pays out for customers. Most times it doesn't.
Almost 3 years ago, I bought a low-end android phone branded sa Hyundai, in the box the label obviously marked as licensed from Hyundai Korea and I think it was licensed to unknown Chinese electronic company.
we definitely should be aware of the real company that we're dealing with and putting our trust in when buying their products. Such an intriguing video, thanks for sharing with us Michael.
This is the video I didn't know I needed today. Truly informative.
Great video, I always had a soft spot for the OG erricsson phones before Sony got hold of them , quick question though, whet is that circular screen you’re wearing on your lapel ?
That's a Saramonic microphone. Trying to get the app to cooperate long enough to upload a MrMobile logo to it!
@@TheMrMobile looks cool, perhaps you do a video on it, do you find in recent years it seems the problems seem to lye more with software glitches rather than the hardware itself
@3:42 love that he's wearing the new MKBHD shoes 👍👍😎😎
Fun fact, there are Motorola-branded appliances such as air-cons, refrigerators, washing machines, TVs, and more in India.
"Hey get it right! We're Nokia, not Nokia, we're the self owned cellphone brand not the original company called Nokia who makes other network devices that connect to your cellphone, thats not confusing at all"
The priv was a cool phone, too bad it didn’t stick
I'm not the only one who saw him rocking the Mkbhd Atom 251 right?
All of this reminds me of Volvo, they are the perfect example in the automotive world. The consumer part (Volvo Cars) is own by Geely, a huge Chinese automaker since 2010 (They also own Lotus) and Ford since 1999, but the trucks, buses and heavy equipment are still owned by the original Swedish Volvo, the official name is AB Volvo. Everyone thinks they are the same, but they are not.
Great video, still running a Nokia 2720 flip as main driver. I keep waiting for some real compact phones to make a comeback 🎉
Can't download this video and 144p, 360p is only option
speaking of it , BBK is a chinese company that owns oneplus, oppo,nothing,vivo,realme,iqoo trc so when u buy any of those brands u really buying a bbk phone and not a phone from a swedish or british startap as ur led to beleve looking at u oneplus and nothing
Hope one day Windows Phone makes a comeback.
"Sick of your personal information being out there and sold to the highest bidder? Give it to yet another organisation and even pay them for it!"
It's like watching a movie in theatre. Except it's this premiere is in tablet
Mr Fisher, didn't more than a few of Nokia's management start HMD (instead of just one)? If memory serves (often a double fault now at my age) HMD started with most of the Nokia mobile management people. They may no longer be there, of course. I just mean at the beginning of the split.
Yes! In this video, I was just referring to the investment firm that funded it, which I believe was only headed up by one ex-Nokian.
@@TheMrMobile Dig it. Cheers
I’m one of the few who miss BlackBerry devices. I’ve bought so many in the past, but not the TCL ones. I would purchase again if they came back.