A lot of us think the Clans Eugenics program is pretty abhorrent. But, we need to look at why it was created. Kerensky's original plan wasn't to create bigger and better warriors, it was to increase the Clan population. After the Exodus Civil war, the Civilian population was decimated, and the military wasn't in much better shape. Natural reproduction wasn't going to give them the numbers to survive in the harsh conditions of the Cluster. After Kerensky died, that's when the Eugenics program really took a turn. The Khans wanted better Blood lines for the Blood houses, and the Scientists Caste wanted (and got) more power.
For Warhammer fans learning about Battletech from GDN or the reverse: Clan Elemental = Assault marine [genetically altered soldier in jump-enhanced powered armor] Protomech = Knight Armiger [single-pilot mecha large enough for the pilot to fit in the torso] Mech = Titan -Light Mech = Knight-Class Titan -Medium Mech = Scout Titan -Heavy/Assault Mech = Battle Titan -Super-Heavy Mech = Emperor Titan If you divide the 40k titan weights by 10 [and round to nearest 5] to account for the inferior armor weight and heavier reactors and shield generators, they even fit Warhound: 410 WH Tonne > 40 Ton Medium Mech with a speed of 4 Reaver: 738 WH Tonne = 75 Ton Assault Mech With a speed of 2 [same as an Urbanmech, one of the few mechs that slow] To those who know both lores, yes the Clan Elementals are closer to Thunder Warriors than full Astartes as far as augmentation goes. And, I'm sure most Titans would whollop most mechs in the size comparisons I mentioned. The Warhound's armament of Plasma Blastgun and Vulcan Mega-Bolter are roughly an ER PPC and Ultra-Autocannon 10. For further comparison of siege weapons found on titans and some mechs: -Apocalypse Missiles / Hydra Missile Launcher = Arrow IV Missiles -Quake Cammon = Thumper Artillery -Basilisk Cannon = Long-Tom Artillery. Another quick note, from the description of titan cradles and how the kits work [with the same weapons usable on multiple frames] Omnimech Technology = a form of STC since how GW does every vehicle kit ever [especially imperial ones] where 1 model kit can be magnetized to make 2-6 different vehicles [Rhino and Chimera, I'm glowering at you!]... That, in-universe is how an Onmimech works: pull a few connectors, break some bolts and swap the weapon. Yes, desktop computers use Omnimech technology...
@@GrimDarkNarrator I used to run a D20 based crossover campaign that included Star Wars, Star Trek, Babylon 5, 40k, Battletech, Dr Who, Galactica, Stargate and a few others. The campaign, over several parties under the same group featured: -An Ewok Pirate, Chiss starfighter ace and 1/2 Bronze Dragon 1/2 Elf Spymaster onboard the Victory-Class Destroyer: Excalibur [from B-5] -A Jensaarai [grey Jedi] who got trapped by a similar device to the one in Stargate that was turning O'Neill into an Ancient [and completed its task] -A Dwarven Barbarian who defeated Kharn the Betrayer and claimed both Gorechild and the title of Herald of Khorne -An Ancient Red Dragon who was an Emperor in his own right [Mezzenbone from Dragonstar if anyone is familiar] who found a Sith Holocron and became possessed by a fragment of Darth Sidious -The Sheen: ever wonder what would happen if elements of the Daleks & Cybermen [Dr Who], Borg [Star Trek], Replicators [Stargate], Cylons [Galactica] and Necrons [40k] ever met and did their thing? Nothing good... for the rest of the galaxy! Not much if anything storywise came from Battletech, but as alot of the campaign was space combat, I converted the Star Wars D20/Saga, Babylon-5 D20, Star Trek Fasa and Stargate D20 to a usable system using Battlespace as a baseline. My Rosetta Stone used as a baseline for conversion: the humble Lascannon. Every sci-fi Has a Medium Laser Cannon [except Startrek, but it had a short-lived A Call to Arms game, using the same system as Babylon-5 3rd edition and similar enough to Battlefleet Gothic to start working that in]. Find how much damage a Medium Laser cannon deals in each setting to convert. Weapons at this scale include: Lascannon [yes the one a Space Marine can carry], Medium Laser Cannon [Star Wars/B-5], Gauss Rifle/Railgun [from Battletech and Stargate]. Since the "Medium Laser" in battletech comes in so many forms and flavors, I aligned the Naval Laser 45 to a Medium Turbolaser. this is 3x the power of a normal Medium Laser and roughly equivalent to: Goa'uld plasma cannons [Stargate], Neutron Lasers [the primary weapon of Minbari Cruisers in B-5], Asgard Beams [as installed on the Odyssey without ZPMs in Stargate] and Medium Lance Batteries in 40k. Note: for mechanics nerds like me, these power levels are per hit, true beams like 40k lances and B-5/Stargate beams can score multiple hits in one attack by raking the beam, similar to how in 40k sometimes a lascannon can melt a Captain in Gravis or Terminator armor one turn, but a Commissar in flack armor face-tanks a hit and laughs the next. [rolling 6d vs 1d].
Kerenskys can be used to buy Clan equipment up to and including battlemechs It is safe to assume the inner sphere side of black-markets are dominated by the Successor States and their intelligence services
The Clan economic system sounds like a futuristic version of the old Soviet system, complete with futuristic Khrushchyovkas (Soviet tenements) and Kolkhozs (Collective farms). Combine that with aspects of the Spartans of old, and you have the Clans. The system is quite fair in more level headed clans like the Ghost Bears and Diamond Sharks, but is probably very miserable in more brutal clans like the Smoke Jaguars. As long as you contribute, you probably can make a living, but it would to harsh to those who fail to pull their weight. I would not want to be a vagrant in a clan city, as they probably have laws against "social parasitism" like the USSR did.
The fun part is when the Merchant caste has successfully set up a network of material production (mine gathers raw materials, smelting produces refined materials, orbital facility takes the refined materials and turns them into Endo-Steel skeletal members for Mech production, Mech factory uses those Endo-Steel members to produce Timber Wolf Battlemechs). All nicely set up to optimize Mech production, Just-in-time production so warehouse supplies are kept minimal, etc. Then another Clan comes in and Trials for the Endo-Steel factory. The attacking Clan wins, and claims the Endo-Steel factory. Now you have the smelting plant stockpiling material because there is no factory to receive its material, and the Battlemech factory has to stop production due to lack of materials. That nice production process is ruined, aand the Merchants have to start all over again. Now imagine this sort of disruption occurring every few weeks all over Clan space. I wonder if the Dark Caste is the actual sensible economy, and the Clans are just high-tech pirates that feed on the Dark Caste in order to keep their own economy going.
Remember a common saying in the clan is that the bankers of the falcons are as sharps as their talons. Another is that wolf silver tongues are infamous in negotiation military or other ways. most clans have far more developed commerce than the feudal planets of the inner sphere.
I guess I was the odd man out, I hated the Clans and everything to do with them. I loved the older books, when it was the houses verses each other. The political power plays between Davion and Kurita. The Steiner family killing each other off left and right. That early era just seemed to have more heart. Ragged machines, half held together, fighting a last desperate battle before the coming darkness consumed the galaxy. It had a dark reality to it. Then the Clans arrived. My table top game went to hell. Monty Hall, overpowered machines that we needed a bigger dinning room table to play with due to their ridiculous range. Then the books seemed to all became about selling the next miniature or source book. There were a few cool characters, true, but it was all Word of Blake manipulation and this Clan doing this or that Clan destroying that. Even Jamie Wolf wasn't safe. Natasha became a ... well, much weaker character. She seemed like she was just there to carry story, not be the story. Some of the stand alone books were okay. D.R.T was good. All in all, I only liked one Clan Mech. The Rifleman IIC. I thought it was really cool looking. Had a gunslinger pilot named Wade Lamour I enjoyed playing, who had a Clan Rifleman. Beyond that, meh.
07:30. And yet that is the goal of the Merchant Caste. And you contradict yourself when you mention the Kerensky...exists. And the existence of pay grades.
I do understand the necessity to establish such an social system to survive. but i dont think it is worth living in one. Also i dont think it is very realistic regarding the human nature. How often did humans achive a society that solely was focused in achieving one united goal? ;)
A lot of us think the Clans Eugenics program is pretty abhorrent. But, we need to look at why it was created. Kerensky's original plan wasn't to create bigger and better warriors, it was to increase the Clan population. After the Exodus Civil war, the Civilian population was decimated, and the military wasn't in much better shape. Natural reproduction wasn't going to give them the numbers to survive in the harsh conditions of the Cluster. After Kerensky died, that's when the Eugenics program really took a turn. The Khans wanted better Blood lines for the Blood houses, and the Scientists Caste wanted (and got) more power.
Sounds like they had to make due with what they had initially.
For Warhammer fans learning about Battletech from GDN or the reverse:
Clan Elemental = Assault marine [genetically altered soldier in jump-enhanced powered armor]
Protomech = Knight Armiger [single-pilot mecha large enough for the pilot to fit in the torso]
Mech = Titan
-Light Mech = Knight-Class Titan
-Medium Mech = Scout Titan
-Heavy/Assault Mech = Battle Titan
-Super-Heavy Mech = Emperor Titan
If you divide the 40k titan weights by 10 [and round to nearest 5] to account for the inferior armor weight and heavier reactors and shield generators, they even fit
Warhound: 410 WH Tonne > 40 Ton Medium Mech with a speed of 4
Reaver: 738 WH Tonne = 75 Ton Assault Mech With a speed of 2 [same as an Urbanmech, one of the few mechs that slow]
To those who know both lores, yes the Clan Elementals are closer to Thunder Warriors than full Astartes as far as augmentation goes.
And, I'm sure most Titans would whollop most mechs in the size comparisons I mentioned. The Warhound's armament of Plasma Blastgun and Vulcan Mega-Bolter are roughly an ER PPC and Ultra-Autocannon 10.
For further comparison of siege weapons found on titans and some mechs:
-Apocalypse Missiles / Hydra Missile Launcher = Arrow IV Missiles
-Quake Cammon = Thumper Artillery
-Basilisk Cannon = Long-Tom Artillery.
Another quick note, from the description of titan cradles and how the kits work [with the same weapons usable on multiple frames] Omnimech Technology = a form of STC since how GW does every vehicle kit ever [especially imperial ones] where 1 model kit can be magnetized to make 2-6 different vehicles [Rhino and Chimera, I'm glowering at you!]... That, in-universe is how an Onmimech works: pull a few connectors, break some bolts and swap the weapon. Yes, desktop computers use Omnimech technology...
That's very useful. Thanks.
@@GrimDarkNarrator I used to run a D20 based crossover campaign that included Star Wars, Star Trek, Babylon 5, 40k, Battletech, Dr Who, Galactica, Stargate and a few others.
The campaign, over several parties under the same group featured:
-An Ewok Pirate, Chiss starfighter ace and 1/2 Bronze Dragon 1/2 Elf Spymaster onboard the Victory-Class Destroyer: Excalibur [from B-5]
-A Jensaarai [grey Jedi] who got trapped by a similar device to the one in Stargate that was turning O'Neill into an Ancient [and completed its task]
-A Dwarven Barbarian who defeated Kharn the Betrayer and claimed both Gorechild and the title of Herald of Khorne
-An Ancient Red Dragon who was an Emperor in his own right [Mezzenbone from Dragonstar if anyone is familiar] who found a Sith Holocron and became possessed by a fragment of Darth Sidious
-The Sheen: ever wonder what would happen if elements of the Daleks & Cybermen [Dr Who], Borg [Star Trek], Replicators [Stargate], Cylons [Galactica] and Necrons [40k] ever met and did their thing? Nothing good... for the rest of the galaxy!
Not much if anything storywise came from Battletech, but as alot of the campaign was space combat, I converted the Star Wars D20/Saga, Babylon-5 D20, Star Trek Fasa and Stargate D20 to a usable system using Battlespace as a baseline. My Rosetta Stone used as a baseline for conversion: the humble Lascannon. Every sci-fi Has a Medium Laser Cannon [except Startrek, but it had a short-lived A Call to Arms game, using the same system as Babylon-5 3rd edition and similar enough to Battlefleet Gothic to start working that in]. Find how much damage a Medium Laser cannon deals in each setting to convert.
Weapons at this scale include: Lascannon [yes the one a Space Marine can carry], Medium Laser Cannon [Star Wars/B-5], Gauss Rifle/Railgun [from Battletech and Stargate].
Since the "Medium Laser" in battletech comes in so many forms and flavors, I aligned the Naval Laser 45 to a Medium Turbolaser. this is 3x the power of a normal Medium Laser and roughly equivalent to: Goa'uld plasma cannons [Stargate], Neutron Lasers [the primary weapon of Minbari Cruisers in B-5], Asgard Beams [as installed on the Odyssey without ZPMs in Stargate] and Medium Lance Batteries in 40k.
Note: for mechanics nerds like me, these power levels are per hit, true beams like 40k lances and B-5/Stargate beams can score multiple hits in one attack by raking the beam, similar to how in 40k sometimes a lascannon can melt a Captain in Gravis or Terminator armor one turn, but a Commissar in flack armor face-tanks a hit and laughs the next. [rolling 6d vs 1d].
Kerenskys can be used to buy Clan equipment up to and including battlemechs
It is safe to assume the inner sphere side of black-markets are dominated by the Successor States and their intelligence services
The Clan economic system sounds like a futuristic version of the old Soviet system, complete with futuristic Khrushchyovkas (Soviet tenements) and Kolkhozs (Collective farms). Combine that with aspects of the Spartans of old, and you have the Clans. The system is quite fair in more level headed clans like the Ghost Bears and Diamond Sharks, but is probably very miserable in more brutal clans like the Smoke Jaguars.
As long as you contribute, you probably can make a living, but it would to harsh to those who fail to pull their weight. I would not want to be a vagrant in a clan city, as they probably have laws against "social parasitism" like the USSR did.
Still better than a 40k hive city :D
@@GrimDarkNarrator Granted, but that is a pretty low bar
The fun part is when the Merchant caste has successfully set up a network of material production (mine gathers raw materials, smelting produces refined materials, orbital facility takes the refined materials and turns them into Endo-Steel skeletal members for Mech production, Mech factory uses those Endo-Steel members to produce Timber Wolf Battlemechs). All nicely set up to optimize Mech production, Just-in-time production so warehouse supplies are kept minimal, etc.
Then another Clan comes in and Trials for the Endo-Steel factory. The attacking Clan wins, and claims the Endo-Steel factory. Now you have the smelting plant stockpiling material because there is no factory to receive its material, and the Battlemech factory has to stop production due to lack of materials. That nice production process is ruined, aand the Merchants have to start all over again.
Now imagine this sort of disruption occurring every few weeks all over Clan space.
I wonder if the Dark Caste is the actual sensible economy, and the Clans are just high-tech pirates that feed on the Dark Caste in order to keep their own economy going.
@@GrimDarkNarrator or most of the nations in our world
4:51, Brutal Nightmare Fuel.
Remember a common saying in the clan is that the bankers of the falcons are as sharps as their talons. Another is that wolf silver tongues are infamous in negotiation military or other ways. most clans have far more developed commerce than the feudal planets of the inner sphere.
02:48. That's not Battle armor. That's a Protomech.
Evolutionary advancements...especially in the form of Eugenics technology.
Very interesting.
Clan Jade Falcon Black Market is for English uncensored Hentai from the Inner Sphere. This is cannon and nobody can change my mind otherwise.
If that is cannon it would mean the Jade Falcons are looking at conquering the Magistrate of Canopus
Great video!
Thank you.
Nice vid, you got anything about the taurians?
I do have one.
Hello TH-cam algorithm. Well, well, well as someone who barely noticed BattleTech existed I had no idea.
I have to ask what is the name of the music you are using in these Battletech videos?
If you mean the ambient one, its this one: th-cam.com/video/AsqqkbMl3lU/w-d-xo.html he intro and outro you can find the description :)
if u ever get around to it a video on the penetrator might be interesting
I'll add it to future possible topics.
I guess I was the odd man out, I hated the Clans and everything to do with them. I loved the older books, when it was the houses verses each other. The political power plays between Davion and Kurita. The Steiner family killing each other off left and right.
That early era just seemed to have more heart. Ragged machines, half held together, fighting a last desperate battle before the coming darkness consumed the galaxy. It had a dark reality to it.
Then the Clans arrived.
My table top game went to hell. Monty Hall, overpowered machines that we needed a bigger dinning room table to play with due to their ridiculous range.
Then the books seemed to all became about selling the next miniature or source book. There were a few cool characters, true, but it was all Word of Blake manipulation and this Clan doing this or that Clan destroying that.
Even Jamie Wolf wasn't safe. Natasha became a ... well, much weaker character. She seemed like she was just there to carry story, not be the story.
Some of the stand alone books were okay. D.R.T was good.
All in all, I only liked one Clan Mech. The Rifleman IIC. I thought it was really cool looking. Had a gunslinger pilot named Wade Lamour I enjoyed playing, who had a Clan Rifleman. Beyond that, meh.
Well, sorry to hear it ruined your tabletop :(
I've never heard much of this, what book did this come out of? Is probably a book I have but have not read.
According to the references in Sarna, the bulk of it is from this work: The Clans: Warriors of Kerensky, but other things too.
live on the clans and warriors of kerensky
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07:30. And yet that is the goal of the Merchant Caste. And you contradict yourself when you mention the Kerensky...exists. And the existence of pay grades.
Welcome to the fact (and the battletech writers recognized it) that you cannot run a modern industrial society with some form of currency.
I do understand the necessity to establish such an social system to survive. but i dont think it is worth living in one. Also i dont think it is very realistic regarding the human nature. How often did humans achive a society that solely was focused in achieving one united goal? ;)
Maybe the futuristic tribesmen are more evolved than us :D
Eww, a protomech.
*fires NARC with malicious intent*