@@OkurkaBinLadin Yes, it might have been. He didn't say the era of christianity. He's saying Jesus was born in the era of Augustus/Octavian (6-4BC) and lived/died in the reign of Tiberius. Since season 2 jumped so far in so during its episodes (44-31 BC), it's reasonable to guess season 3 would've taken place during that time especially with Herod being a big side character in season 2. He might even be taking the topic of season 3 from interviews with the creators because i have of vauge memory of that being the timeframe of the cancelled season as well. People on TH-cam are so ravenously intent on "correcting" others so much for whatever reason they don't even read and attempt to understand what they're criticizing smh. O tempora, o mores!
Stephen You’re talking real high and mighty for someone who’s outright wrong, the only reason season 2 skipped so much history was because the producer got told season 2 was the final season during recording
Uhm, I'm pretty sure he's ecstatic of happiness, he could be swinging a pick in the mines or get his balls cut off and be an eunuch in some bordello. Holding a torch seems just fine.
Roman republic had degenerated into a corrupt oligarchy, there was no way to democratically save it. Had Caesar not laid the groundwork as a Dictator for Augustus to become the Princeps with all the power, Rome would've fallen right then and there and history would only remember it as a footnote. Perhaps the same will happen to the US, the democracy has failed already, and either a strong leader will take power through force of arms and purge the country of troublemakers and establish an Empire that will last for a thousand years, or the US will fall and become just another footnote in history about a power that briefly dominated the globe before falling into obscurity.
khatack Too many blindly believe in democracy - an opium for the people. They would rather watch the world burn than to go back to the golden days of monarchies (which compromise most of our history, democracies are only a small fragment)
Rome was not "falling" or "collapsing" due to its democatic or oligarchic traditions. The problem was the Roman military reforms of Marius that escalated drastically with Sulla which placed legions into close relationships with their commanders and no longer fully answered to the will of the Senate. There were ways to fix the problem but the Optimates and Populares were too busy fighting over land reforms and allowed the issue to boil over. Thus resulting in ambitious generals seizing power for themselves. Had that been resolved through law then the other issues could not be exploited as a catalyst for civil war.
That's like saying a flower sprouted because there was a bud and not because there was a plant. The Marian reforms were just a stepping stone on the republics path to corruption, a step they were always going to take. It was just the natural evolution of the Roman Republic.
@@RestitutorEuropa And he still nails it. Which makes him doubly good. It's like David Suchet as Poirot. You just can't imagine anyone else in the role afterward.
Yea but that's dumb the amount of roman leaders that got shanked is quite shocking you get knifed no matter what you do it seemed nearly as others thirst for power is simply greater.
Eh, not really. By that logic, only fascists should fear antifascists. But it is not so. Everyone should condemn antifascists, because antifascists think everyone is a fascist.
DDid not make sense to me, a tyrant killer need not kill a tyrant, and need not be correct in who a tyrant is. a leader should worry about all killers.
I was in a workshop with Tobias Menzies back in the mid-90's. He has just finished his first year of the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art and he was rivetting!! I'm so glad to see he got this amazing gig and doing such a wonderful job!! So proud of him!!!...and you're kicking ass too Ciaran!!! I expect nothing short of brilliance from you!!
@@Kingedwardiii2003 not even close lol. Thrones is my favorite show ever but it didn't do anything to show off his acting chops. He really shines in outlander.
Brutus was one of the richest man in Rome, he didn't care about enriching himself on the money of a province. At this point in his life, becoming consul was his primary ambition and Caesar as dictator for life was diminishing the power and prestige of this function.
Manipulation? When? He was obvious about his intent. And the feeble little "No, I'm not worried about your loyalty" was about what you'd expect when you ask a toddler if he got into the cookie jar and he tries to lie. Where was the manipulation. Where was all the masterful dialogue you're talking about? Did we even watch the same video?
Nice little bit of cinematography at the end there, with Caesar giving the guy the signal to extinguish the torch and seeing the darkness falling on Caesar's face. Especially when you consider that this conversation was what made Brutus join the conspiracy against Caesar and Caesar's words to Brutus basically sealed his fate.
That's not cinematography per se ... It's the cherry. Visual storytelling, either by the writer or the director, or whoever came up with it. Magnificent.
Brutus sealed his own as well. He and the fellow conspirators foolishly, and naïvely believed that murdering Caesar would see the republic spared from a dangerous tyrant and all would be well. But the republic had long since degenerated into a corrupt oligarchy, wherein the senatorial aristocracy stifled long-needed reforms and even crushing reformers by violence (e.g. the Graachi). Someone like Caesar was inevitable by the first century BC, and all killing him accomplished was to create a power vacuum that other autocrats would move in to fill -- and the one who won out in the end was far less lenient toward his enemies than Caesar had been.
@@OkurkaBinLadin Nah, it has less to do with Brutus being a momma boy, which he, in the show, is, but rather the implication of Caesar not trusting him and using his power to remove him from Rome and having his honor attacked by basically being banished, something a honorable Roman wouldn't stand for.
Yeah little buddy nobody gives a flying fuck about your obvious references to that stupid Game of Thrones show, a show plagiarized from Lord of the Rigns by George R. R. Martin, an unoriginal unimaginative fat fuck with Tolkien delusions (he even stylized his name like Tolkien's); you can't even start to compare Rome to Game of Thrones so don't. Rome > Game of Thrones
Oh yes, the masterful writing and though provoking story lines like... Octavians sister being a lesbian for a little bit with her mom's rival of all people! Wow. Such good. The show was packed full of these stupid little sub plots which added NOTHING whatsoever to the main story, you know... About ROME??? Yay another episode where we watch the woman pretend her baby belongs to her child... So entertaining. I don't want to be immersed in the setting of ancient Rome, I want to watch the same garbage I get to see in modern TV shows. Can't wait until next week when we get to watch the character mope around over a random slave girl he seemingly fell in love with for no reason and obsesses over.... Then finds out she wants to be free to marry another man..... Then actually.... Eh I guess I'll marry you. Woah. The plot twists are just... You're right. I must go watch all the brain melting nonsense again. The show had gems, but was weighed down by stupidity.
Minato D Roger when we look back into ancient roman power struggles, then it was pretty common that such an exile ended with person death. Same fate probably did await Brutus. Caesar was clever bastard in real life, he would have been eliminated his opponents slowly, one by one
urmo345 Caesar was one of the most merciful people in history. He either left people in exile or brought them into the fold. He was a remarkable man. Not only that Caesar loved Brutus like a son (which he might have been). Caesar probably would have consolidated his power and then it wouldn't have mattered.
Tell me about it...Rome needed at least 2 more seasons...I rewatch the boxset once every few months...such great acting...superb production values and an overall brilliant show
HBO needed to make punic war too that would be incredible to watch hannibal and scipio africanus and their struggles would be something awesome plus battle of cannae would be so incridible
@@subhamsen5200 So true would pay so much money for that. Cannae would be like Battle of the Bastards on steroids. And Hannibal is such an interesting historical figure if he got the Rome quality would be amazing.
Perfectly captures the demeanor of Caesar, the insecurities, megalomania, talent, strong will, ruthlessness and clemency. Ciaran Hinds just happens to look nothing like him.
The second season was not as good because of the hurry-hurry. It is a shame they can't go back with the same cast and start a season before the first one showing how Rome got to the point where season 1 began. Then take the time to do the rest in a few seasons instead of two. Imagine the battles done if they had the time to film them properly, even with CGI Centuries, Cohorts and Legions.
There is a version made for Europe which is more focused on the history with less sex. So great, that's the version we got here because average American bores easily . I love those moments when the writers were running with the history. Those parts are awesome.
I agree completely. Up until this point Brutus saw himself as being on Ceasar's side. He saw Ceasar as having a trust in him that he just wouldn't betray. He thought Ceasar saw him as a son. This conversation made him change his mind on all of that. This conversation to Brutus says "I don't trust you like a son and I don't believe you're on my side." In changing his mind on this and his anger for Ceasar's betrayal (still distrusting him and trying to decieve him into going away after Brutus had remained loyal and rejected the idea of participating in any plot despite Ceasar's obvious tyranny) he was flipped to the other side.
He said it himself: if caesar had simply asked for his allegiance BEFORE occupying Rome he WOULD have sworn loyalty just like marc antony. And they would done amazing things. But he didn't. He demanded it at sword point.
When he said 'it's in my power to INSIST that you go', that's about the time I'd start packing my bags, calling a taxi and beginning my double life as Hector Sanchez in Mexico. Caesar was not a man to be crossed.
Exactly! “Macedonia! What a lovely place! Steeped in history and surely a land of bountiful riches and opportunity. You honor me Caesar! I leave tonight.”
*Be Reasonable! You’re on every wall with a Knife at my throat!* Love that line, he sounds scared which is understandable and he want Brutus to know that he still loves him but he fears for his life. Also just that Cieran can play someone as mannered as caesar only to instantly shout at people like that. Perfect Caesar!
@@richbattaglia5350 See I thought that too, but actually "wall" makes more sense, since the Roman's utilized graffiti incessantly. It's likely that those wanting to persuade Brutus to join the conspiracy had such graffiti inscribed on the walls of Rome in order to put pressure of Brutus to join, on account of his families history of Republicanism. It both paints Brutus as a liberator and sows distrust between him and Caesar, thereby pushing a divide between the two.
Yeah little buddy nobody gives a flying fuck about your obvious references to that stupid Game of Thrones show, a show plagiarized from Lord of the Rigns by George R. R. Martin, an unoriginal unimaginative fat fuck with Tolkien delusions (he even stylized his name like Tolkien's); you can't even start to compare Rome to Game of Thrones so don't. Rome > Game of Thrones
Then they moved on to the show "The Terror" that came out a while back. Best Duo of Actors in my opinion. They make any show better if they are in it together.
He's really good, but he's not perfect. He's a little too aloof, a little too reserved. Julius Caesar needs a touch of what Hitler had with his speechmaking, he needs the ability to motivate tens of thousands of men with his sheer force of personality. Ciaran Hinds was wonderful as Caesar, but he never had that "knock your socks off" power that Caesar ought to have.
@@alexanderwinn9407That power, I think, cannot be acted by one who does not posses at least some degree of that force and charisma. I think it's something you either have or you don't. It can't be acted by someone who doesn't have it themselves, personally. In my opinion at least
The province of Macedonia was basically all of Greece Dumbass turned down the governance of a wealthy highly urbanised province, even if it was just to get him out of the way
Lucius Junius Brutus overthrew the last king of Rome and became one of the first consuls of the Republic. Thus, the Junius family was a very popular and respected patrician family throughout the life of the Republic.
That's just subjective. Fiction triumphs over Non-fiction in some aspects and vice versa. One such short coming of Non-fiction for me is that I know what is going to happen.
But the political maneuvering in GoT is limited by the capacity of the writers. Even if they stayed true to George's original material, he's just one man, the source material in Rome is history itself, written by dozens of contemporaries(including Caesar himself) as well as thousands of historians from every age that followed. One man cannot take into account every single aspect of a certain setting, it takes many more to do so, Rome was the closest to achieving this, and the directors really brought the setting to life. The characters in Rome were slavers, rapists and murderers, bent on gathering money and power, yet they are not one dimensional, they face they moral dilemmas of their time. Meanwhile in GoT the modern perspective is forced on what is supposed to be a medieval world, making a lot of stuff in the show seem out of place and wrong, the more seasons pass the more this is apparent. The first few seasons were completely believable, the motives the characters had, the wars and the prerequisites, the portrayal of the elusive power struggle between the nobility, clergy and the lowborn burghers(a power struggle relevant in our own world 's era of feudalism), everything was there. For whatever reason(I reckon they're trying to get more cash by appealing to fan desires), all of that shit changed, let's have mastermind politicians make dumb moves for no reason(Compare Littlefinger to say Cicero, always one step ahead of his enemies until the end), let's have seasoned commanders fuck basic shit up(Compare Stannis to Mark Antony, defeated due to betrayal and enemy exploitation and not because he forgot how to lead armies), let's have a 15 year old girl be seen as an unquestionable ruler through minimal effort(compare Danny to Caesar, who spent his whole life against multiple enemies to get to where he was, or Octavian who capitalized on his father's success and still spent 10 years to heavily prepare for his domination of the republic) . Everything is simplified and it makes no sense, Rome is a masterpiece because it tried to tell a story the right way, GoT fails because instead of doing that it just tries to remain a masterpiece by whatever means necessary.
Brutus' argument is full of contradictions. The fact that Caesar spared his life, and pardoned him, is more than enough not to question the sincerity about their friendship.
Given how much of a user Caeser is though, you cannot blame Brutus for being paranoid. The man used people closest to him as if they were chess pieces. Would you trust someone like that?
No, it's difficult to trust anyone in politics, specially politics in ancient Rome. But Brutus should be trusted least. He is one of the senators who accused Caesar of treason, he fought against Caesar during the civil war and lost. In spite of that, Caesar forgave him. Instead of showing gratitude, Brutus connived with other senators in stabbing Caesar at the senate hall.
You're looking at the problem wrong. Think about it: Why would he show gratitude? he's a Roman--and a Patrician at that; when defeated, a Roman either falls on his sword, dies in battle, or is killed afterwards. A man who pardons the defeated makes a thrall of them in their eyes. Which was what Caesar basically did. Naturally, they felt humiliated. It's a mindset that is alien to you and me, but we know from what the Romans themselves said that this was what they thought on the matter. It's why the father of the guy who beat the Romans at the Caudine Forks initially advised his son to kill them all, and why the Consul who pulled his army out of an Iberian encirclement by negotiation of a parole was humiliated and his career ruined (this was in the 130's BC); this latter incident made Tiberius Gracchus popular among the people (not the Senate), as he was the one who actually handled the negotiations.
Falling in line and doing what you're told sounds good on paper, but it loses value when the person telling you to do so did the exact opposite to get where they are. It's hypocritical and having you say that with a name like "Association of Free People" shows you're hypocritical yourself.
@@EmptyMan000 True.Caesar asking Brutus to govern Macedonia was disingenuous. However Julius got where he was by bold decisive action and military genius all things he knew Marcus lacked. If anything Marcus was in Julius debt having been spared the noose by Caesars goodwill.Instead of endearing himself to his "father" and taking up the offer he chose to get offended at the idea of Julius not trusting him despite having ample reason to do so
why why why couldn't they make more seasons of this wonderful show...... I know I know too expensive. so sad. When you consider all the money spent on terrible tv shows..
It was high quality but extremely expensive. I read that at that time, it was the most expensive tv show ever produced; costumes, sets, and excellent actors come at a steep price, and the show was not profitable enough to continue, despite being fantastic.
They spent their budget and nobody believed it could last. But all of my friends with HBO watched last week's episode and this week's episode every Sunday night.
Brutus is livid at the idea of Cæsar forcing him from Rome. Brutus participates in Cæsar's murder, only to ultimately be forced to flee from Rome afterward anyway. He could have left Rome as a provincial governor, and returned to Rome a rich man after only a year. Instead he left Rome as a traitor, a fugitive, and later being declared an enemy of the state, taking his own life after being defeated by the one who would take his place as Cæsar's son, Octavian.
This scene really strikes home the ultimate irony of the situation the way its portrayed here, that its such an insanely good deal for Brutus the only way he could see it negatively is through his paternal love for Caesar and the betrayal of that bond leading to his eventual involvement in the assassination coming full circle
Such a brilliant scene. There are two conversations happening at once. "Can I trust you?" in his question about Macedonia , but really he's trying to ask about the rumors of Brutus going against him...HBO cut off Rome because of costs, these were the days before GOT and while I liked GOT, Rome is just on another level.
Game of Thrones was a decent show, but I always thought that Westeros was filled with _way_ too many overtly sadistic psychopaths to be a stable society. Rome is based on actual history, and the final decline of the by-then corrupt Roman republic and its transformation into the Empire: a real life game of thrones.
How horrific would it be if Brutus was really his son but did not know it! Caesar certainly treated Brutus as a son and it would explain the look of sadness and betrayal when he was stabbed by him.
Yeah it would have been but Julius wasn't Brutus' mothers lover until years after Brutus was born. So its unlikely Julius fathered Brutus while he was a teenager
@@SuperKing604 he married at between 15-19 and had julia because of that, so the idea of being brutus real father it is not completely insane besides who can confirm that cesar met brutus mother 10 years later? Besides ive never understood why cesar was too lenient on brutus, I mean it is true when people say that brutus was a complicated man because he said he was a defender of the republic while he was greedy and lend lots of money in exchange for huge interests, he joined pompey over cesar considering pompey killed his "father", cesar helped his political career, forgave his life even going so far as to order his men before farsalias or before the decisive battle against pompey if you find brutus dont kill him just capture him safe and alive, and who knows what else? Therefore, i dont think brutus was so honorable as history portrays him
Rare conversation between Mance Ryder and Edmure Tully. :P Rome was a great TV show, that's a pity they cancel the series after 2nd season. But it certainly made way for next epic historical dramas, including GoT.
To be honest GoT is just bullshit that wants to sate peoples thirst for blood and violence. There was historical inspication but especially since the Feast for the Crows or Season 5 it went downhill. Being totally wrong and going against itself and now its waste of time really.
I didn't think Rome was "cancelled". The purpose of the series was to tell the story of Rome's transformation from a Republic into an Empire, and that story ends with Octavian's ascension to absolute power.
A very fine scene in season 1, superb acting for a seasoned veteran like Ciaran Hinds and Tobias Menzies, that's class acting right there, one of the most underrated actors in the UK, and this year they'll both be on Game of Thrones, can't wait.
Caesar always tried to play the "I'm not telling you, you're helping me" card, but this time it didn't work - and the veneer of pleasant statesman is stripped away. Before Brutus sits the tyrant, and Brutus knows his duty.
Brutus' name, alone, garnered popularity in that his family was responsible for the founding of the Republic. A Brutus couldn't really avoid popularity.
Caesar ruled over Rome for 5 years before being assassinated. There's so much this series could have expanded on. There should be a series by HBO just titled "CAESAR". Where they cover everything about him from birth to his end.
This is the only time we ever see caesar overplay his hand in the show or lose his cool..he always presents himself affably and its impossible to read his thoughts..except his short outburst. Cirian hinds knocked it out the park
imagine taking a governship where you can become rich from all the gold mines in macedonia and greek proviences almost like rome and italia as a insult. i wouldve took it and thanked him.
True, but keep in mind Brutus is already rich. Caesar too came from nobility, but it was his war in Gaul that made him rich through slave sales. Also, Brutus is a snob, like those New Yorkers that have never left New York because they think there's nothing worth seeing outside New York.
Funny thing is brutus ended up in Macedonia anyway after fleeing rome. He also ended up taking marc Antony's brother (who was governor of Macedonia) prisoner and executing him after awhile
Brutus was a tragic figure in history. He loved Caesar like a father, but chose his belief in the Republic over his love for the man. He was a true believer, and I find it highly likely that killing Caesar tortured him until the last. Out of all the plotters in the conspiracy, he was not in it for himself.
At this point in his life Brutus just doesn't do much thinking. He can't really look past his nose. His development as a character in the series is remarkable.
Michal Poláček In the series they have this great feud between women, but that arises out of a need for modern entertainment to depict strong female leads. Its almost always exagerated or simply fictional.
Means he is played well, we do not actually know how he was. IMO the series does a good job of portraying his doubts. Where it fails was his motivation, which was not his mother, more likely the fact that Caesar's dictatorship blocked Cursus Honorum to ambitious young men. With Caesar removed it was open again. Octavian learned from that and kept one, later both Consulships open, so that Cursus Honorum was still attainable.
This is my favorite scene in the series. Incredible subtleties until the end when he tells him to be reasonable. I didn’t think anyone else appreciated this scene but me lol. Was great to see your video title.
I really think, at least in the show that what mostly drove Brutus to go along with the assassination was that ultimately he realized that Caesar did not love and trust him as a son as much as Brutus loved and trusted him as a father. Sure Caesar says he does, but that acknowledgement comes at a price and this scene really captures that.
In real life brutus was 40 and he relized he'd never rule rome for year as consul because consulship became meaningless, caesar loved brutus much more than brutus loved caesar
Hinds and Menzies play this so coolly and with such understatement and then let rip with the bitterness so suddenly, like a verbal mugging... of course we, the audience, know that Brutus's words are as hard and sharp as the daggers which are soon to be drawn.
If they made a while series of Roman History even start from the fall of the last king to Punic and Macedonian wars until the end of the republic, HBO can make a series that would last for at least 10 years.😁
I believe that while caesar took the title of Dictatorship, (making him the key player) Octavian had the advantage of of split support between him and Antony. This was something he used to denounce Antony and make himself appear as the true pacifier of Rome. Also while Caeasar and Antony spent significant amount of time outside of Rome, with Cleopatra in Egypt, Ocatavian was close to home establishing solid friendships and taking care of his enemies, something that cost Antony his life...
@l00zekk EVERYONE was cast perfectly (except for Livia, I never understood her teeth!)Menzies was the perfect combination of anger, noble presence, intellegence, and cowardess. My BIGGEST thumbs up. Ray Stevenson was a close 2nd because of his physical appearance with his brutal and sometimes aloof presence but eventually compassionate and beautifully loyal presence.
Would have loved to see Caesar conquering Gaul with Vorenus as a centurion and Pullo as the rowdy legionary. Would have been great to see why Pullo was considered a hero of the XIIIth even before he and Vorenus retrieved the Eagle and saved Octavian.
@@WWCephas I did, but the book was much better. There's very little action on I Claudius, they didn't have the budget. You hear gladiators but don't see them.
@@heliotropezzz333 True, but the actors in HBO's Rome are much better looking, maybe too sexy. Augustus on season 2 has abs, pecs, he doesn't look like the sickly man historians have talked about. On I Claudius, Agustus is fat, which is surprising since he ate a very sensitive diet since almost anything would make him sick. Germanicus was also very ugly. All of them were ugly, even Claudius. I think I like HBO Rome better because I need to see more than aristocrats having dinner.
@@blucolife Augustus on season 2 of Rome is very slender and doesn't look that healthy whether or not he has abs (and I never noticed those). I didn't think Germanicus on I, Claudius was ugly. Claudius in real life probably was ugly but Derek Jacobi who played him is not. He just acted the part of someone with a speech and mobility impediment. That's good acting for you, if you were convinced.
@@tuele4302 That literally doesn't cancel out all the mass killing, but whatever floats the boat of the modern psychopath who look up to mass exterminators of the past.
@@tuele4302 The sack of Rome took place like 500 years or 1,000 years before Caesar showed up. I like Caesar, but the man was a crook. He was appointed governor of Cisalpine Gaul, he waged an illegal war, he stayed in power long after his term was up, and he crossed the Rubicon and started a civil war. I can understand why he did it, without imperium, he's vulnerable to lawsuits, exile, or death.
In any case, Caesar was very generous and merciful when it came to most of those in the senate who opposed him. Brutus could have very well seen high power under Caesar but chose to betray him. So IMO, he was an idiot who was suckered into doing stupid things, and deserves an honorary spot in the hall of douche-bags.
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its a shame HBO didn't give this series more. in my opinion history (or historical drama) is far more entertaining than fantasy.
@Gollum No, it wouldnt. Christianity was not accepted by Romes upper class until late 4th century. And season 2 was rushed as hell.
it was very expensive to make
@@OkurkaBinLadin Yes, it might have been. He didn't say the era of christianity. He's saying Jesus was born in the era of Augustus/Octavian (6-4BC) and lived/died in the reign of Tiberius. Since season 2 jumped so far in so during its episodes (44-31 BC), it's reasonable to guess season 3 would've taken place during that time especially with Herod being a big side character in season 2. He might even be taking the topic of season 3 from interviews with the creators because i have of vauge memory of that being the timeframe of the cancelled season as well. People on TH-cam are so ravenously intent on "correcting" others so much for whatever reason they don't even read and attempt to understand what they're criticizing smh. O tempora, o mores!
Poor money management and a fire burnt the studio down
Stephen You’re talking real high and mighty for someone who’s outright wrong, the only reason season 2 skipped so much history was because
the producer got told season 2 was the final season during recording
I feel sorry for the dude standing there having to hold that torch for all those minutes...
sucks to be a slave. or an extra playing a slave. both, i guess.
+Craig Noneman At least the extra gets paid for a few minutes work ;)
Or however many hours it took to shoot this scene. Probably kept switching hands.
Uhm, I'm pretty sure he's ecstatic of happiness, he could be swinging a pick in the mines or get his balls cut off and be an eunuch in some bordello. Holding a torch seems just fine.
Nah, all you gotta do is stand there, get paid, and watch the most the interesting conversations in history. Best job in the world
Well Octavian learned the lesson of his uncle's failings. He proscribed all his possible enemies.
Shane L And befriended many.
Roman republic had degenerated into a corrupt oligarchy, there was no way to democratically save it. Had Caesar not laid the groundwork as a Dictator for Augustus to become the Princeps with all the power, Rome would've fallen right then and there and history would only remember it as a footnote. Perhaps the same will happen to the US, the democracy has failed already, and either a strong leader will take power through force of arms and purge the country of troublemakers and establish an Empire that will last for a thousand years, or the US will fall and become just another footnote in history about a power that briefly dominated the globe before falling into obscurity.
khatack Too many blindly believe in democracy - an opium for the people. They would rather watch the world burn than to go back to the golden days of monarchies (which compromise most of our history, democracies are only a small fragment)
Rome was not "falling" or "collapsing" due to its democatic or oligarchic traditions. The problem was the Roman military reforms of Marius that escalated drastically with Sulla which placed legions into close relationships with their commanders and no longer fully answered to the will of the Senate. There were ways to fix the problem but the Optimates and Populares were too busy fighting over land reforms and allowed the issue to boil over. Thus resulting in ambitious generals seizing power for themselves. Had that been resolved through law then the other issues could not be exploited as a catalyst for civil war.
That's like saying a flower sprouted because there was a bud and not because there was a plant. The Marian reforms were just a stepping stone on the republics path to corruption, a step they were always going to take. It was just the natural evolution of the Roman Republic.
Everytime I see this actor playing caesar I can't picture any one better
The only problem is that he doesn’t really look like Caesar, at least to me.
@@RestitutorEuropa And he still nails it. Which makes him doubly good. It's like David Suchet as Poirot. You just can't imagine anyone else in the role afterward.
@@DansenOpWagner What about that red square plays Caeser in Historia Civilis, pretty iconic if you ask me.
Edward Sallow made a good Caesar.
@@vulkanofnocturne Amen to that
"Only tyrants need worry about tyrantkillers!" What a great line
Yea but that's dumb the amount of roman leaders that got shanked is quite shocking you get knifed no matter what you do it seemed nearly as others thirst for power is simply greater.
Eh, not really. By that logic, only fascists should fear antifascists. But it is not so. Everyone should condemn antifascists, because antifascists think everyone is a fascist.
Yep, and Caesar was right to worry about him at that time - because Brutus was actually aware of a plot to kill him and said nothing.
DDid not make sense to me, a tyrant killer need not kill a tyrant, and need not be correct in who a tyrant is. a leader should worry about all killers.
@@vacri54 or the fact that Pompey had his father killed and he still sided with him over Caesar
"I have never betrayed you"
*Stabs him
Caesar was way too forgiving towards his enemies.
@@paulfrantizek102 Was he ? What about the galls ? The germans ?
@@majormononoke8958 you spelled barbarians incorrectly.
What you egg?
@@majormononoke8958 He was, had attempted to integrate many of them into Roman culture, was it a ploy or just to secure the hold on his victories.
I was in a workshop with Tobias Menzies back in the mid-90's. He has just finished his first year of the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art and he was rivetting!! I'm so glad to see he got this amazing gig and doing such a wonderful job!! So proud of him!!!...and you're kicking ass too Ciaran!!! I expect nothing short of brilliance from you!!
wow. he's a great actor. i like him on outlander too. one of the best villains ever
He's great in outlander
@@matvangogh Have you seen these two in The Terror from AMC? They are brilliant alongside Jared Harris.
@@brandonhernandez371 better in Game of Thrones
@@Kingedwardiii2003 not even close lol. Thrones is my favorite show ever but it didn't do anything to show off his acting chops. He really shines in outlander.
Macedonia was one of the richest and most prosperous provinces of the Late Roman Republic. I’d take that posting in a fucking heartbeat.
Yeah, it was the most valuable province and vied for by ex-consuls lol. Brutus is turning down a ton of money here.
Yeah it was a generous offer
ha, now that the late Phillip set it up pretty well.
Brutus was one of the richest man in Rome, he didn't care about enriching himself on the money of a province. At this point in his life, becoming consul was his primary ambition and Caesar as dictator for life was diminishing the power and prestige of this function.
@@vinceslapchopper damn Brutus was so... angry and betrayed Caesar
This scene is so well written, the dialogue is so good, Caesar’s manipulation being put forward and then rejected so fun to watch
being italian myself I could feel Caesars temper building. He wasnt use to refusals.
Manipulation? When? He was obvious about his intent. And the feeble little "No, I'm not worried about your loyalty" was about what you'd expect when you ask a toddler if he got into the cookie jar and he tries to lie. Where was the manipulation. Where was all the masterful dialogue you're talking about? Did we even watch the same video?
Nice little bit of cinematography at the end there, with Caesar giving the guy the signal to extinguish the torch and seeing the darkness falling on Caesar's face. Especially when you consider that this conversation was what made Brutus join the conspiracy against Caesar and Caesar's words to Brutus basically sealed his fate.
@Association of Free People 😂🤣 The nerve!! A cushy job..great pay..clout, soliders, and all the slaves you could need...but nooo.
That's not cinematography per se ... It's the cherry. Visual storytelling, either by the writer or the director, or whoever came up with it. Magnificent.
@@jamaaldaynitelong8367 Brutus was a greedy/naive/vein man
Brutus sealed his own as well. He and the fellow conspirators foolishly, and naïvely believed that murdering Caesar would see the republic spared from a dangerous tyrant and all would be well. But the republic had long since degenerated into a corrupt oligarchy, wherein the senatorial aristocracy stifled long-needed reforms and even crushing reformers by violence (e.g. the Graachi). Someone like Caesar was inevitable by the first century BC, and all killing him accomplished was to create a power vacuum that other autocrats would move in to fill -- and the one who won out in the end was far less lenient toward his enemies than Caesar had been.
I thought Caesar's proposition was really quite reasonable.
As do I.
Caesar was under impression he is dealing with reasonable man, not a momma boy.
@@OkurkaBinLadin Nah, it has less to do with Brutus being a momma boy, which he, in the show, is, but rather the implication of Caesar not trusting him and using his power to remove him from Rome and having his honor attacked by basically being banished, something a honorable Roman wouldn't stand for.
@National Socialism the nazi speaks. Thankfully, your ilk were silenced long ago.
@National Socialism ah a nazi coping. Lovely to see.
Mance was already King Beyond The Wall. I don't understand why he feared Edmure.
Joseph Joestar lmao
Game of Romes.
Rome >>>>>>> Game of Thrones
oh sht, I didn't catch that
Yeah little buddy nobody gives a flying fuck about your obvious references to that stupid Game of Thrones show, a show plagiarized from Lord of the Rigns by George R. R. Martin, an unoriginal unimaginative fat fuck with Tolkien delusions (he even stylized his name like Tolkien's); you can't even start to compare Rome to Game of Thrones so don't.
Rome > Game of Thrones
Wish I could erase the part of my brain that remembers this entire show... and I could rewatch it again with fresh eyes.
Oh yes, the masterful writing and though provoking story lines like... Octavians sister being a lesbian for a little bit with her mom's rival of all people! Wow. Such good. The show was packed full of these stupid little sub plots which added NOTHING whatsoever to the main story, you know... About ROME??? Yay another episode where we watch the woman pretend her baby belongs to her child... So entertaining. I don't want to be immersed in the setting of ancient Rome, I want to watch the same garbage I get to see in modern TV shows.
Can't wait until next week when we get to watch the character mope around over a random slave girl he seemingly fell in love with for no reason and obsesses over....
Then finds out she wants to be free to marry another man..... Then actually.... Eh I guess I'll marry you.
Woah. The plot twists are just... You're right. I must go watch all the brain melting nonsense again.
The show had gems, but was weighed down by stupidity.
Jesus it was just a year damn brutus
Minato D Roger
A year and a ton of cash. Governors (pro-consuls) got a fucking ton of money in their provinces.
Him and his damn honour I swear
Minato D Roger It would not be a for a year. Once he was there, Caesar would then inform him of his great need that Brutus stay there indefinitely.
Minato D Roger when we look back into ancient roman power struggles, then it was pretty common that such an exile ended with person death. Same fate probably did await Brutus. Caesar was clever bastard in real life, he would have been eliminated his opponents slowly, one by one
urmo345
Caesar was one of the most merciful people in history. He either left people in exile or brought them into the fold. He was a remarkable man. Not only that Caesar loved Brutus like a son (which he might have been). Caesar probably would have consolidated his power and then it wouldn't have mattered.
So much win here. But the heavy silence and then the " it is in my legal power to insist..." shivers
Tell me about it...Rome needed at least 2 more seasons...I rewatch the boxset once every few months...such great acting...superb production values and an overall brilliant show
HBO needed to make punic war too that would be incredible to watch hannibal and scipio africanus and their struggles would be something awesome plus battle of cannae would be so incridible
@@subhamsen5200 So true would pay so much money for that. Cannae would be like Battle of the Bastards on steroids. And Hannibal is such an interesting historical figure if he got the Rome quality would be amazing.
Rome needed to be made a staple of modern cinema production
Best Ceasar ever= Ciaran Hinds
Perfectly captures the demeanor of Caesar, the insecurities, megalomania, talent, strong will, ruthlessness and clemency. Ciaran Hinds just happens to look nothing like him.
And Tony Hopkins as Nixon, another example of that.
The acting in this show is just great
@Doge di Amalfi english was not a language then
@Doge di Amalfi Unfortunately not many people speak Latin now.
"Marry a daughter of Walder Frey? I think not"
"Just for a year or so"
"Be reasonable"
@@waqarsaleem8611 THIS THREAD LMAOOOOO
It pains me how rushed this show feels at times. I just want so much more from this show. I love it so much.
The second season was not as good because of the hurry-hurry. It is a shame they can't go back with the same cast and start a season before the first one showing how Rome got to the point where season 1 began. Then take the time to do the rest in a few seasons instead of two. Imagine the battles done if they had the time to film them properly, even with CGI Centuries, Cohorts and Legions.
@@eddarby469 my dude, could you imagine how they'd handle Marius and Sula? It would be a God tier level show.
@@thx1138thecrane I'd keep HBO just to see it all, my brother.
There is a version made for Europe which is more focused on the history with less sex. So great, that's the version we got here because average American bores easily . I love those moments when the writers were running with the history. Those parts are awesome.
i feel like it was THIS conversation that truly turned brutus against him, he may have been wavering before but this was the catalyst.
I agree completely. Up until this point Brutus saw himself as being on Ceasar's side. He saw Ceasar as having a trust in him that he just wouldn't betray. He thought Ceasar saw him as a son. This conversation made him change his mind on all of that. This conversation to Brutus says "I don't trust you like a son and I don't believe you're on my side." In changing his mind on this and his anger for Ceasar's betrayal (still distrusting him and trying to decieve him into going away after Brutus had remained loyal and rejected the idea of participating in any plot despite Ceasar's obvious tyranny) he was flipped to the other side.
no shit sherlock
He said it himself: if caesar had simply asked for his allegiance BEFORE occupying Rome he WOULD have sworn loyalty just like marc antony. And they would done amazing things. But he didn't. He demanded it at sword point.
Nah. Brutus was always a whiny entitled piece of shit. He would have always gone with a self serving action.
@@tobsw3802 indeed, he was a fool to say the least. Defending the "republic" when it was so irreperably corrupt.
When he said 'it's in my power to INSIST that you go', that's about the time I'd start packing my bags, calling a taxi and beginning my double life as Hector Sanchez in Mexico. Caesar was not a man to be crossed.
Haha yo're fucking hilarious man.
no
Well done.
Exactly! “Macedonia! What a lovely place! Steeped in history and surely a land of bountiful riches and opportunity. You honor me Caesar! I leave tonight.”
Agreed. Turns out he was a man to be stabbed.
The torchman goes downstairs to the other slaves, "Eh up, the master and Brutus just had a right old barney, they'll be trouble"...
melvert33 O aye, won't be long before there's a scrap to be had.
*Be Reasonable! You’re on every wall with a Knife at my throat!* Love that line, he sounds scared which is understandable and he want Brutus to know that he still loves him but he fears for his life.
Also just that Cieran can play someone as mannered as caesar only to instantly shout at people like that. Perfect Caesar!
I say this respectfully.
The guy said, “You’re in every war with a knife at my throat.”
Hinds' multifaceted portrayal of Caesar is nothing short of iconic.
@@richbattaglia5350 lmao no..
He can also light the biggest fire the North has ever seen!
@@richbattaglia5350 See I thought that too, but actually "wall" makes more sense, since the Roman's utilized graffiti incessantly. It's likely that those wanting to persuade Brutus to join the conspiracy had such graffiti inscribed on the walls of Rome in order to put pressure of Brutus to join, on account of his families history of Republicanism. It both paints Brutus as a liberator and sows distrust between him and Caesar, thereby pushing a divide between the two.
Perfectly written. Perfectly acted. Brilliant show.
Unless you're an HBO exec 🤵♂️👎
Brutus: Im leaving Rome, and joining Game of Thrones. Ceasar: im right behind ya!
Yeah little buddy nobody gives a flying fuck about your obvious references to that stupid Game of Thrones show, a show plagiarized from Lord of the Rigns by George R. R. Martin, an unoriginal unimaginative fat fuck with Tolkien delusions (he even stylized his name like Tolkien's); you can't even start to compare Rome to Game of Thrones so don't.
Rome > Game of Thrones
@@charlesferdinand422 So emotional for fiction things.
@@charlesferdinand422 Manchild has a fit of rage over a joke. Back to the basement, little incel yankee.
What is "Game of Thrones" ? Is it like Chess ? :)
Then they moved on to the show "The Terror" that came out a while back. Best Duo of Actors in my opinion. They make any show better if they are in it together.
Best depiction of Julis Ceaser
So sad it didn't last longer than 2 seasons 😢
He's really good, but he's not perfect. He's a little too aloof, a little too reserved. Julius Caesar needs a touch of what Hitler had with his speechmaking, he needs the ability to motivate tens of thousands of men with his sheer force of personality. Ciaran Hinds was wonderful as Caesar, but he never had that "knock your socks off" power that Caesar ought to have.
@@alexanderwinn9407That power, I think, cannot be acted by one who does not posses at least some degree of that force and charisma. I think it's something you either have or you don't. It can't be acted by someone who doesn't have it themselves, personally. In my opinion at least
This is the most pivotal moment in the series. This conversation sets off the rest of all that follows. Very underrated.
The province of Macedonia was basically all of Greece
Dumbass turned down the governance of a wealthy highly urbanised province, even if it was just to get him out of the way
Octavia’s friend informed us that this region is “end of the world” ghastly
@@dvdrtrgn that was pretty weird considering everything greek was all the fashion at that time.
@@dvdrtrgn bitch was a spoiled brat, her dad was maybe a millionaire or a billionaire to today's standards.
Its very foolish to describe Octavian as dumbass (havent watched this show, i dont know how they portrayed him. But you're speaking of a demigod)
@@aliassi5447 Octavian is not in this clip
Lucius Junius Brutus overthrew the last king of Rome and became one of the first consuls of the Republic. Thus, the Junius family was a very popular and respected patrician family throughout the life of the Republic.
Old Tarquinius Superbus
These GoT references are fucking me off. Rome was a far superior series, even with its shortcomings. History is far more interesting than fiction.
Well GoT is based heavily on the war of the roses so yeah, your point has no merit at all.
To quote Joe Pesci, GoT sucks big giant elephant dicks.
That's just subjective. Fiction triumphs over Non-fiction in some aspects and vice versa. One such short coming of Non-fiction for me is that I know what is going to happen.
But the political maneuvering in GoT is limited by the capacity of the writers. Even if they stayed true to George's original material, he's just one man, the source material in Rome is history itself, written by dozens of contemporaries(including Caesar himself) as well as thousands of historians from every age that followed. One man cannot take into account every single aspect of a certain setting, it takes many more to do so, Rome was the closest to achieving this, and the directors really brought the setting to life. The characters in Rome were slavers, rapists and murderers, bent on gathering money and power, yet they are not one dimensional, they face they moral dilemmas of their time. Meanwhile in GoT the modern perspective is forced on what is supposed to be a medieval world, making a lot of stuff in the show seem out of place and wrong, the more seasons pass the more this is apparent. The first few seasons were completely believable, the motives the characters had, the wars and the prerequisites, the portrayal of the elusive power struggle between the nobility, clergy and the lowborn burghers(a power struggle relevant in our own world 's era of feudalism), everything was there. For whatever reason(I reckon they're trying to get more cash by appealing to fan desires), all of that shit changed, let's have mastermind politicians make dumb moves for no reason(Compare Littlefinger to say Cicero, always one step ahead of his enemies until the end), let's have seasoned commanders fuck basic shit up(Compare Stannis to Mark Antony, defeated due to betrayal and enemy exploitation and not because he forgot how to lead armies), let's have a 15 year old girl be seen as an unquestionable ruler through minimal effort(compare Danny to Caesar, who spent his whole life against multiple enemies to get to where he was, or Octavian who capitalized on his father's success and still spent 10 years to heavily prepare for his domination of the republic) . Everything is simplified and it makes no sense, Rome is a masterpiece because it tried to tell a story the right way, GoT fails because instead of doing that it just tries to remain a masterpiece by whatever means necessary.
KS - Remind me, which side had dragons and zombies during that part of England's history?
So refreshing to enjoy something of substance and intellect of pure dialog I guess we should be thankful they produced this series at all
so true as well as Gladiator.
Brutus' argument is full of contradictions. The fact that Caesar spared his life, and pardoned him, is more than enough not to question the sincerity about their friendship.
Given how much of a user Caeser is though, you cannot blame Brutus for being paranoid. The man used people closest to him as if they were chess pieces. Would you trust someone like that?
No, it's difficult to trust anyone in politics, specially politics in ancient Rome. But Brutus should be trusted least. He is one of the senators who accused Caesar of treason, he fought against Caesar during the civil war and lost. In spite of that, Caesar forgave him. Instead of showing gratitude, Brutus connived with other senators in stabbing Caesar at the senate hall.
You're looking at the problem wrong. Think about it: Why would he show gratitude? he's a Roman--and a Patrician at that; when defeated, a Roman either falls on his sword, dies in battle, or is killed afterwards. A man who pardons the defeated makes a thrall of them in their eyes. Which was what Caesar basically did.
Naturally, they felt humiliated. It's a mindset that is alien to you and me, but we know from what the Romans themselves said that this was what they thought on the matter. It's why the father of the guy who beat the Romans at the Caudine Forks initially advised his son to kill them all, and why the Consul who pulled his army out of an Iberian encirclement by negotiation of a parole was humiliated and his career ruined (this was in the 130's BC); this latter incident made Tiberius Gracchus popular among the people (not the Senate), as he was the one who actually handled the negotiations.
Falling in line and doing what you're told sounds good on paper, but it loses value when the person telling you to do so did the exact opposite to get where they are. It's hypocritical and having you say that with a name like "Association of Free People" shows you're hypocritical yourself.
@@EmptyMan000 True.Caesar asking Brutus to govern Macedonia was disingenuous. However Julius got where he was by bold decisive action and military genius all things he knew Marcus lacked. If anything Marcus was in Julius debt having been spared the noose by Caesars goodwill.Instead of endearing himself to his "father" and taking up the offer he chose to get offended at the idea of Julius not trusting him despite having ample reason to do so
Better than nowadays HBO, Netflix, Amazon, Disney+ cr4p combined...
Rome we need at least two MORE seasons.... It's never too late :) But please don't change the actors!!
So much win here. But the slow way he is says "it is in my power to insist that you go" is chilling
why why why couldn't they make more seasons of this wonderful show...... I know I know too expensive. so sad. When you consider all the money spent on terrible tv shows..
It was high quality but extremely expensive. I read that at that time, it was the most expensive tv show ever produced; costumes, sets, and excellent actors come at a steep price, and the show was not profitable enough to continue, despite being fantastic.
They spent their budget and nobody believed it could last. But all of my friends with HBO watched last week's episode and this week's episode every Sunday night.
i like how when Caesar says ''it is within my legal power'' the music just stops.
sometimes the best music is no music.
The guy with the torch, “Please don’t have me killed. Please don’t have me killed.”
Brutus (Tobias Menzies) can talk all day and I'd always be intrigued.
Yeah Tobias Menzies has this raw emotional energy. Very similar to Tom Hiddleston's dramatic flair.
He's a fine actor.
love him as Brutus especially the scene in Senate house with Cicero just before Antony busts in! love it.
Brutus is livid at the idea of Cæsar forcing him from Rome.
Brutus participates in Cæsar's murder, only to ultimately be forced to flee from Rome afterward anyway.
He could have left Rome as a provincial governor, and returned to Rome a rich man after only a year.
Instead he left Rome as a traitor, a fugitive, and later being declared an enemy of the state,
taking his own life after being defeated by the one who would take his place as Cæsar's son, Octavian.
This scene really strikes home the ultimate irony of the situation the way its portrayed here, that its such an insanely good deal for Brutus the only way he could see it negatively is through his paternal love for Caesar and the betrayal of that bond leading to his eventual involvement in the assassination coming full circle
Such a brilliant scene. There are two conversations happening at once. "Can I trust you?" in his question about Macedonia , but really he's trying to ask about the rumors of Brutus going against him...HBO cut off Rome because of costs, these were the days before GOT and while I liked GOT, Rome is just on another level.
yah, I'm a Romaphile so I get you. I'm not into the mythic stuff like GOT.
Game of Thrones was a decent show, but I always thought that Westeros was filled with _way_ too many overtly sadistic psychopaths to be a stable society. Rome is based on actual history, and the final decline of the by-then corrupt Roman republic and its transformation into the Empire: a real life game of thrones.
How horrific would it be if Brutus was really his son but did not know it!
Caesar certainly treated Brutus as a son and it would explain the look of sadness and betrayal when he was stabbed by him.
Yeah it would have been but Julius wasn't Brutus' mothers lover until years after Brutus was born. So its unlikely Julius fathered Brutus while he was a teenager
And pompay killed his real father
Unlikely because caesar was only 15 years old when brutus was born, however he might have been the father of one of his sisters
@@SuperKing604 he married at between 15-19 and had julia because of that, so the idea of being brutus real father it is not completely insane besides who can confirm that cesar met brutus mother 10 years later? Besides ive never understood why cesar was too lenient on brutus, I mean it is true when people say that brutus was a complicated man because he said he was a defender of the republic while he was greedy and lend lots of money in exchange for huge interests, he joined pompey over cesar considering pompey killed his "father", cesar helped his political career, forgave his life even going so far as to order his men before farsalias or before the decisive battle against pompey if you find brutus dont kill him just capture him safe and alive, and who knows what else? Therefore, i dont think brutus was so honorable as history portrays him
That could very well have been true.
Caesar tried to save his life here, but Brutus was to naive to see it.
One of the best scenes in one of the best series ever made! =)
Hello my distant friend from 2010/11.
Torch-Slave: "Ummm....should I go...?"
Years later but I just realised a father wants to protect his son. He wants him far, far, away from what's coming. It wasn't as cynical as it sounds.
There was really no proof Brutus was his son only gossip.
Rare conversation between Mance Ryder and Edmure Tully. :P
Rome was a great TV show, that's a pity they cancel the series after 2nd season. But it certainly made way for next epic historical dramas, including GoT.
GoT isn't historical.
No, it's not. But it may aswell be, if fantasy elements has been cut out.
To be honest GoT is just bullshit that wants to sate peoples thirst for blood and violence. There was historical inspication but especially since the Feast for the Crows or Season 5 it went downhill. Being totally wrong and going against itself and now its waste of time really.
GoT is shit.
I didn't think Rome was "cancelled". The purpose of the series was to tell the story of Rome's transformation from a Republic into an Empire, and that story ends with Octavian's ascension to absolute power.
So shifty how GoT treated his character in Season 8
Yea it was a kick in the dick for giving a renowned actor like him a shitty ending, he should’ve been lord of highgarden over fucking Bronn
The guy holding the torch is like O.O
“You’re in every war with a knife at my throat.”
Helluva line
*wall, not war
Well, Brutus indeed was a smart lad, he understood the Caesar's ulterior motive immediately.
Yes, but didn't understand it from his (Ceasars') point of view.
A very fine scene in season 1, superb acting for a seasoned veteran like Ciaran Hinds and Tobias Menzies, that's class acting right there, one of the most underrated actors in the UK, and this year they'll both be on Game of Thrones, can't wait.
Caesar always tried to play the "I'm not telling you, you're helping me" card, but this time it didn't work - and the veneer of pleasant statesman is stripped away. Before Brutus sits the tyrant, and Brutus knows his duty.
Brutus' name, alone, garnered popularity in that his family was responsible for the founding of the Republic. A Brutus couldn't really avoid popularity.
What a brilliant show
That mofo holding the torch has some Olympics level stamina
He doesnt like whippings.
Caesar ruled over Rome for 5 years before being assassinated. There's so much this series could have expanded on. There should be a series by HBO just titled "CAESAR". Where they cover everything about him from birth to his end.
yes, we know more about Christ than Caesar and Augustus.
What a intense scene! Brilliant writing!
Brutus seals his fate here once and for all, to his eternal detriment.
This is the only time we ever see caesar overplay his hand in the show or lose his cool..he always presents himself affably and its impossible to read his thoughts..except his short outburst. Cirian hinds knocked it out the park
And you can say that in a way this mistake cost him his life
imagine taking a governship where you can become rich from all the gold mines in macedonia and greek proviences almost like rome and italia as a insult. i wouldve took it and thanked him.
True, but keep in mind Brutus is already rich. Caesar too came from nobility, but it was his war in Gaul that made him rich through slave sales. Also, Brutus is a snob, like those New Yorkers that have never left New York because they think there's nothing worth seeing outside New York.
I love Ciaran Hinds as Caesar!! He is the best!!
Caesar intentionally giving up a piece to Brutus, thus buttering him up before asking a favor from him.
Some of the best acting I've ever seen came from this series.
The BBC series on Claudius deserves a big budget make over like Rome
...and about 23 more seasons of Rome as a sweetener.
That would be great! would love to see that.
Hey, I need someone loyal to run an ENTIRE COUNTRY for me. "No, I think not."
Excellent series because the script and casting were perfect. The quality of British acting was on full display.
these 2 have been together in at least 4 shows I have seen to date
But the weather is dreadful in Macedonia!
Funny thing is brutus ended up in Macedonia anyway after fleeing rome. He also ended up taking marc Antony's brother (who was governor of Macedonia) prisoner and executing him after awhile
Epic scene.
This series was very well done imo
Brutus was a tragic figure in history. He loved Caesar like a father, but chose his belief in the Republic over his love for the man. He was a true believer, and I find it highly likely that killing Caesar tortured him until the last. Out of all the plotters in the conspiracy, he was not in it for himself.
At this point in his life Brutus just doesn't do much thinking. He can't really look past his nose. His development as a character in the series is remarkable.
+lebarosky I think he showed admirable thinking in this little segment.
@@allornothing432 Nah, his mother (scorned lover of Caesar) was doing all the thinking. To the detriment of republic.
Charles Ferdinand Wha?? Who are you talking to?
Michal Poláček In the series they have this great feud between women, but that arises out of a need for modern entertainment to depict strong female leads. Its almost always exagerated or simply fictional.
You have to factor in how he was being courted by the traitors though. Brutus was surely a mess of loyalties and duty.
Its Tobias Menzies. You will see him in the last James Bond movie (Daniel Craigs debut).
Totally agree. I really hope we can see more of his work in the future, especially in the States!
This is the best series that HBO has ever played.
I'm a lover of Greek and Roman history. I was shocked that HBO took this on.
Means he is played well, we do not actually know how he was. IMO the series does a good job of portraying his doubts. Where it fails was his motivation, which was not his mother, more likely the fact that Caesar's dictatorship blocked Cursus Honorum to ambitious young men. With Caesar removed it was open again. Octavian learned from that and kept one, later both Consulships open, so that Cursus Honorum was still attainable.
This is my favorite scene in the series. Incredible subtleties until the end when he tells him to be reasonable. I didn’t think anyone else appreciated this scene but me lol. Was great to see your video title.
The writing on this show was exceptional.
AMAZING ACTING
I really think, at least in the show that what mostly drove Brutus to go along with the assassination was that ultimately he realized that Caesar did not love and trust him as a son as much as Brutus loved and trusted him as a father. Sure Caesar says he does, but that acknowledgement comes at a price and this scene really captures that.
In real life brutus was 40 and he relized he'd never rule rome for year as consul because consulship became meaningless, caesar loved brutus much more than brutus loved caesar
Brutus was right. Caesar was trying to remove him from the equation because he didn't trust him
one of the best scenes in the series
Hinds and Menzies play this so coolly and with such understatement and then let rip with the bitterness so suddenly, like a verbal mugging... of course we, the audience, know that Brutus's words are as hard and sharp as the daggers which are soon to be drawn.
If they made a while series of Roman History even start from the fall of the last king to Punic and Macedonian wars until the end of the republic, HBO can make a series that would last for at least 10 years.😁
I believe that while caesar took the title of Dictatorship, (making him the key player) Octavian had the advantage of of split support between him and Antony. This was something he used to denounce Antony and make himself appear as the true pacifier of Rome. Also while Caeasar and Antony spent significant amount of time outside of Rome, with Cleopatra in Egypt, Ocatavian was close to home establishing solid friendships and taking care of his enemies, something that cost Antony his life...
true, Antony in allying with Cleo rolled the dice. Octavian was brilliant buy holding onto Rome in the Second Triumvirate.
its so weird seeing the king beyond the wall call edmure tully his son
True, but it was so cool to see Caesar came back to life in Wildling lands. They all thought he was some dude called Manse. Weird, right?
@@smacpost3 Must've been that cursed red witch 😂
@@dolanricks7307 ; Yes, she is a likely culprit. Probably the same one that warned of "the ides of March..." . She gets around, she does. 🙂
watching this you can now appreciate good writing which this is far superior than any show or movie now days
True, so true!
Amen to that! and writers want to be paid more.
@l00zekk EVERYONE was cast perfectly (except for Livia, I never understood her teeth!)Menzies was the perfect combination of anger, noble presence, intellegence, and cowardess. My BIGGEST thumbs up. Ray Stevenson was a close 2nd because of his physical appearance with his brutal and sometimes aloof presence but eventually compassionate and beautifully loyal presence.
needs a prequel to give more about vorenus and his family and ceasars rise to consulship ect... and more sxc attia xD
Would have loved to see Caesar conquering Gaul with Vorenus as a centurion and Pullo as the rowdy legionary. Would have been great to see why Pullo was considered a hero of the XIIIth even before he and Vorenus retrieved the Eagle and saved Octavian.
"they'll be no melodramas here! Only live men and dead men."
Dammit Brutus you threw it all away.
I wish Rome had continued on as a series. I loved it and was crushed when it was canceled.
Just switch to watching "I Claudius" when this show ends.
@@WWCephas I did, but the book was much better. There's very little action on I Claudius, they didn't have the budget. You hear gladiators but don't see them.
@@blucolife but the script and acting, the intrigue and plotting is great.
@@heliotropezzz333 True, but the actors in HBO's Rome are much better looking, maybe too sexy. Augustus on season 2 has abs, pecs, he doesn't look like the sickly man historians have talked about. On I Claudius, Agustus is fat, which is surprising since he ate a very sensitive diet since almost anything would make him sick. Germanicus was also very ugly. All of them were ugly, even Claudius. I think I like HBO Rome better because I need to see more than aristocrats having dinner.
@@blucolife Augustus on season 2 of Rome is very slender and doesn't look that healthy whether or not he has abs (and I never noticed those). I didn't think Germanicus on I, Claudius was ugly. Claudius in real life probably was ugly but Derek Jacobi who played him is not. He just acted the part of someone with a speech and mobility impediment. That's good acting for you, if you were convinced.
Caesar was such a good man.
He only killed almost a million gauls but yeah sure...
@@CubensisRecords The Romans fought for the same reason the Gauls did when they invaded and sacked the City of Rome.
@@tuele4302 That literally doesn't cancel out all the mass killing, but whatever floats the boat of the modern psychopath who look up to mass exterminators of the past.
@@EmptyMan000 Actually, it eliminates the threat, which is a plus. The Gauls never challenged Rome again.
@@tuele4302 The sack of Rome took place like 500 years or 1,000 years before Caesar showed up. I like Caesar, but the man was a crook. He was appointed governor of Cisalpine Gaul, he waged an illegal war, he stayed in power long after his term was up, and he crossed the Rubicon and started a civil war. I can understand why he did it, without imperium, he's vulnerable to lawsuits, exile, or death.
Thx for this!
Hinds is so handsome ^^
Apparantly fitzjames and franklin had a rocky history.
WHOLE SERIES IS MASTERFUL Best thing i have ever seen
on TV
i am struggling to find a weak point
The weak points are not in acting or sets but playing hard and fast with the history we do have.
In any case, Caesar was very generous and merciful when it came to most of those in the senate who opposed him. Brutus could have very well seen high power under Caesar but chose to betray him. So IMO, he was an idiot who was suckered into doing stupid things, and deserves an honorary spot in the hall of douche-bags.
History worthy of watching.
Fuck using a lamp. We have a guy who can stand here for hours to hold this torch.