My brother, I am Seventh-day Adventist and I can say that I fully appreciate your treatment of these topics. No emotion, no bias, no mudslinging, just the facts. No one can argue with the facts (even though some may try). You are very thorough in your research and I praise God for the clear presentation of beliefs. It has given me a moment for pause to ask more questions about the SDARM and do a deeper study since on the surface, it seems to align more with what I believe. God bless your ministry.
If u love Jesus.. you should leave SDA church bcuz Ellen White is a FALSE PROPHET.. she is in Hell according to visions and most members of SDA will be endangered
@@marlindagomez5766 Hi Marlinda, if I could find a church that has more of what I believe to be truth based on my own Bible study, I'd gladly go there. Some of my search criteria are based on the following truths: Salvation: Acts 4:12, Ephesians 2:8-9, 1 John 1:9 The Sabbath: Exodus 20:8-11, Matthew 12:8, Acts 13:42-44, Matthew 24:3-20 The State of the Dead: Genesis 2:7, Psalm 146:3-4, Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, John 11:11-14, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 The Second Coming: Daniel 12, Acts 1:11, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18 The Sanctuary: Psalm 77:13, Daniel 8:14, Hebrews 8:1-5 Do you have any suggestions?
@@deutscheman84 All man-made religion is doomed in lake of fire. 1. Roman Catholic - Papacy 2. SDA - Ellen White 3. Jehovah witness - Charles Russell 4. Mormonism - Joseph Smith 5. Islam - Muhammad 6. Christian Science - Mary Baker Eddy 7. Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) - Felix Manalo 8. Kingdom of Jesus Christ (KJS) - Apollo Quiboloy
@@deutscheman84 It is good that you look for a church based on your understanding. Remember to look at the original languages (Hebrew/Chaldee/Greek)... also remember that we all have much to learn. A Strong's Concordance will do you well. God bless.
5 - 8 - 23 Yesterday SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT ! "" I AM the RESURRECTION ! "" John 11 : 25 ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
Thank you Brother! As an SDA, you have given an excellent overview of the differences between the two, even better than the denominations themselves. You definitely take time to do your research, for which I commend you. Well said, and God bless your platform.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
To all the members of the SDA CHURCH in the entire globe, let's engage in Prayer very critical and diligently, Persecutions are imminent, but we have to hold on till JESUS COMES 🙏watching from SAFRICA Gauteng Province in Pretoria.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
You have an incredible mind to figure all this out! This is so precise and clear -- but for a person not of Seventh-day Adventist heritage to figure all of that out -- pure genius!
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
My family happened to be driving around when I spotted a Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement church in Greenwood, Indiana. Our family is Seventh-Day Adventist. We ended up attending the church service one Sabbath, expecting potentially German speaking people there, because of their history in Germany. We found out that the whole church was Hispanic. Thankfully they had a translator. But, nevertheless we had a good time, and told them we were Adventists afterward. They seemed like really nice people.
5 - 8 - 23 Yesterday SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT ! "" I AM the RESURRECTION ! "" John 11 : 25 ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please.
I honestly think it's quite funny that the Reform movement is essentially trinitarian but refuse to identify as such because that word was used by Catholicism. It's such an arbitrary reason to dismiss the concept.
Paganism taught that the supreme being is a Triune. Three beings stemming from one physical central body. Catholicism adopted this in its teaching of Father Son and Holy ghost. By removing the son and replacing the son with himself (the pope), the emphasis is placed on female worship bc Mary takes the place of Jesus in the God head in heaven. And The pope take the place of Jesus on earth. While Catholicism proports that the Trinity has three separate beings, searching the records reflects an adoption of the pagan beliefs. So Trinity does mean something different from Godhead.
No the Sdarm is not trinitarian bec . As far as I know we believe about the Father Son Holy Spirit but we call it when we give Bible Study The God Head not trinity. We do believe that the God head comprise of the Father ,the son and the Holy Spirit.
No man or church understands the trinity. The concept in name does not exist in the Bible, as I'm sure you're aware. To come to a trinitarian conclusion is fair, given Scripture, but by no means is any formulation of it set in stone. I find it very strange that people are willing to a) State with 100% surety the nature of the trinity, and b) Kick others out of their church for not agreeing. This is the cause of the East/West schism, as I'm sure you're aware. And churches/Christians continue to squabble over this. Does ANYONE seriously believe that at Judgement, after having believed in Christ, repented of their sins, and done their best to live a good life... they will be denied an eternity with God because their formula for the trinity was wrong on some technical point? People are so funny. :-)
Trinity, Trinitarian.... after researching on how it originated even before God calling Abraham out to serve Him, it should make a real Christian abhor such word. I'm so sad that so many SDA pastors and leaders have been brainwashed to believe it. And more sad when I see that many of them are so talented and look so spiritually dedicated to God, but when it comes to question such belief they get itchy and label you as enemy of God. I am 65 years old and grew up in the SDA church and seen the intentions of people trying to introduce this heresy in my church of that time but saw how our good fellowmen fought against it. Then 1980 came, I was going to church, but disconnected from any happenings at the upper level of the GC, and didn't notice the change. It's only after 2015 that I started to wake up and question. And coming 2020 I made an in-depth research and realized how far we got away from our original biblical roots.
How I chose to become a 7th Day Adventist was because of Pastor Doug Batchlor Amazing Facts Ministries, love his demeanor and teaching, teaches straight from the Bible and has also became a friend , thank you pastor Doug for saving me from my disrupted life I had been dealing with all my life, and thank you all the things you do for your church flock
It is good that you found a pastor who teaches straight from the Bible. It is always important however to not be "married" to a denomination. I myself have a pastor who I owe a lot to and deeply respect... but I don't take his Word as gospel. :-) A lot of pastors teach "straight from the Bible" but come up with very different interpretations. I'm not familiar with your pastor so I mean no offense, I only mean: learn to study on your own, with tools, and don't be afraid to disagree. Only God knows your heart, you owe reverence or allegiance to no man, only God. A Strong's Concordance is a wonderful tool for Bible study. Also The Companion Bible is a very good study Bible.
Very good... i learned things i didn't know. Im a Seventh-day Adventist and i have only met one RSDA in my life. They are much smaller than SDA. Essentially they are old school adventist who make certain classic/traditional Adventist teachings and suggestions mandatory. SDA tends to be more of a big tent. When i was a child i was told we shouldn't join the military. But it's not enforced. I have seversl cousins who served, members of my local church who served and one of the most prominent Adventists is Admiral Barry Black who is the US Senate Chaplin...my current pastor served in the navy! Ive heard some RSDA don't belive in watching TV or will hide it etc...
@@Keonny77 No. Should I have used Pastor? No disrespect intended. I've viewed many sermons from Dr. Barry Black when He was the US Senate Chaplain. Most of the Biblically Based Programs on TV/Cable and Telecoms at 7th Day Churches have been Excellent. I got away from attending local Sunday Worship Services. Haven't been to a 7th Day Sabbath Service for some time. Just before COVID, I attended a few 7th Day Sabbath Services of Worship and thought of attending on a Saturday. Thank you. Bless.
@@benjaminrush4443 no disrespect received. Just sharing knowledge. Most pastors in our denomination don't make a big deal of it. It's just one of those little distinctions. Glad you like the services. I would recommend you check out Doug Bachelor with Amazing Facts along with Breath of Life and services from Oakwood University. You should be able to find them all on TH-cam.
@@Keonny77 Listened to Pastor Doug Bachelor and know his story of being a 'Mad Man Wilderness Freak'. I've listened and learned much from his teachings. Spent the entire day, yesterday reviewing "UsefulCharts" - Converted into Judaism (might be messianic - ?) on the Bible. I am a Historically centered Bible believing and reading Christian. In fact I still have my copy of the small book "Faith Against the Odds" by Mark Finley & Steven Mosley. I use to listen to Pastor Finley's Sunday Morning TV Show in the early mornings before the Net. When I was in the US Army - 1971 to 1973 - I was a KJV Bible Believing Roman Catholic and attended Christian Bible Studies. Use to "Freak-Out" the Baptist. Catholic! Why the KJV? "Most Authoritative". It started with a love for William Shakespear's Old English in 1960's High School. It seems that I failed in my "Calling", but the LORD is forgiving for He never called by in my future Apostacy when I abandoned Him. He never stopped loving me for the Carnally Minded Sinner I would become. But for His Amazing Grace (John Newton) "I once was lost, but now I'm Found". Thanks. Ephesians 4: 3-7. Amen.
It’s ironic because even when Moses received the 10 Commandments on Sinai the Israelites were still expected to wage war to take the land of Canaan so it’s “thou shalt not murder” is a better translation.
Thou shall not kill. Why must so called Greek scholars change every single word just because they think there change is better. Spoiler alert. Leave God's word alone. God's word is not supposed to be subject to man's opinion.
@@jandellko There is a dark side to SDA . Their hospitals will perform abortions for any reason . What about the commandment thou shall not kill' ? They do abortions on the Sabbath too. Proverbs 6 :16-17 God hates hands that shed innocent blood . SDA is the only religious group that practice this wickedness . God created those babies and SDA doctors and nurses murder them for money . Jeremiah 1:5 God said I knew you when I formed you in the womb and sanctified thee . SDA has been in the abortion business for 50 years . Very strange for a people that claim to obey the 10 commandments !
The 6th commandments says, Thou shalt not kill. It does not say, Thou shalt not slay. What if God decided to put sinners in hell fire for how long they rejected him before they died? So 120 years in hell for 120 years of unrepentant sins and 30 years in hell for 30 years of unrepentant sins. Charity never faileth but love can wax cold. The last time I checked only women can give birth and produce milk for each baby. A man can never exactly be a woman. It is sad that American culture and the world's culture at large have changed husbands working hard outside the house and women working hard inside the house until the children are raised. Please reach at least one soul each week with the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Let us get ready for the new earth. Stars are not that big and cannot be trillions of miles away because of Revelation 6:13. Stars are sources of light and help with seasons. If Judge Jesus is considered a foreign prince, would you defend the constitution or obey the word of God? Sodomy (homosexuality) is a deathstyle. Biology is when two men and two women will never have their own literal children. Tragedy is when a husband and a wife cannot literally make one flesh. People should go preaching at abortion clinics. You abhor idols but you commit sacrilege by going to church every sunday. Remember that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by the Lord in Genesis. Sodomites (homosexuals, furries, necromancers) are disobeying the first commandment which God gave, which is, Be fruitful and multiply. Women should wear dresses and a head covering. Men should wear trousers with no head covering. The mark of the beast is spiritual and physical. Only God can create in the Bible sense which is to bring something out of nothing. Peace unto you. Let us follow the pure Christian religion. Dragon is the old word for dinosaur. Elohim is a devil. The saints are going through tribulation but that will end when the Lord Jesus shall return. The world shall go through the wrath of God, not tribulation. The saints shall possess the kingdom and we shall reign here for a 1,000 years. The feet of our Lord Jesus will touch the Olivet mount. The gospel of John shows that the Lord Jesus rose before the first day of the week. He died in the midst of the week and rose on the sabbath. Daniel 9:27, John 19:31, John 20. We would say that he died on Wednesday and rose on Saturday. The first passover of the holy old king James Bible always comes before the heathen Easter. Read Acts 12:1-4. If the first passover falls around Easter like in 2022, then something is wrong. The calendar problem must be solved. I am not relying on man and that is why the belief I have is different from most people. We ought to pray for the repentance and success of kings and all those in authority. I pray for president Joe Biden and his cabinet to do well and repent of their sins. I have been praying for all those in authority since I read 1 Timothy 2:1-4 some years ago. I am a sabbath keeping, new moon celebrating, holy day feast observing Christian that would never knowingly eat pork, shrimps, or anything sacrificed to idols. It is an abomination for a Christian to eat shrimps, pork, chicken, etc. Adam and Eve were children of God but they sinned by eating from an unclean tree. The mark of the beast will be IN the right hand or IN the forehead. It is spiritual and physical. Most of the world worships the beast by keeping sunday, friday, Christmas, Easter, Eid, Diwali, etc. The carnal mark is linked to a digital economy. Our Lord Jesus never ate shrimps or pork. Prayerfully read Leviticus 11:43 and Revelation 21:8. If you make yourself abominable, that is a sin! Repent. The new covenant will not save you if you continue being rebellious and stubborn against the word of the Lord. It is a sin to steal and a sin to forget the sabbath (saturday). *1 Samuel **15:23** KJV - For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.* Witchcraft, sorcery idolatry, witches, sorcerers, idolaters will be cast into hellfire. Only they that are washed in the blood of the Lord Jesus and keep his commandments shall be kings and priests. There is no such thing as a sunday rest or sunday sabbath in the Bible. Only the seventh day is blessed, sanctified and hallowed. Isaiah 66:22,23 says that from one new moon to another and from one sabbath to another shall all flesh worship before the Lord in the new earth. Matthew 7:21-23 proves that not everyone that says Jesus is Lord will enter the kingdom. We need to do the will of the Father which is to obey and honor our Lord Jesus Christ. He kept the new moons and we ought to keep them.
5 - 30 - 23 Two days ago SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT ! "" I AM the RESURRECTION ! "" John 11 : 25 #1 Yes you are a Seventh day Adventist #2 What about being a Christian FIRST who happens to be an SDA ? #3 Yes you are a 70 year old man who lives in Pasadena,.TX who has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING better to do than to WORK your technology ALL day on Saturday's posting more on Saturday's than ANY other day of the WEEK on as many SDA channels as possible dealing with Adventism while simultaneously mentioning ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about SPREADING/ PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ #4 NOW REPEAT THESE EXACT SAME WORDS ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! #5 Are your sins blotted out? SIMPLE Yes......or.....no #6 Did Jesus FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL NOTHING ADDED NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY ? SIMPLE Yes.....or.....no #7 Does one NEED TO be OBEDIENT to the LAW in order to receive GRACE ? SIMPLE Yes.....or.....no #8 The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable 1st Thessalonians 5 : 16- 18 #9 Are you going to suggest that ALL Seventh day Adventists should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK ? SIMPLE Yes......or......no #10 Did Jesus REST on the Sabbath during his ministry on earth? SIMPLE Yes......or......no Chapter and verse please #11 LDS : NEW 19th century FALSE religion ( 1830 ) SAME AS....... SDA : NEW 19th century FALSE religion ( 1863 ) NOW REPEAT THESE EXACT SAME WORDS ANSWER 2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER Jesus Christ set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! Luke 24 : 39 - 42 PLEASE DON'T PLAGIARIZE ME WHEN I SAY GRACE G - Gods R - Riches A - At C - Christs E - Expense Try it, Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I ! AGAPE !
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
As a SDARM (not IMS) member, hats off to you for your research brother 😊👏 As for birthday celebrations, some of us tend to observe them but place much emphasis on how God has blessed us with the chance to live another year instead of the typical "it's all about you" approach that the average birthday normally encompasses 😊
5 - 9 - 23 Two days ago SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT ! "" I AM the RESURRECTION ! "" John 11 : 25 As an Evangelical Christian who is a BORN AGAIN Christian GRAFTED into the Body of Christ upon Conversion BY FAITH ALONE in Christ for what he did on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL NOTHING ADDED NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY by his GRACE I think it is perfectly fine to celebrate birthdays Most importantly to celebrate the BIRTH of Jesus Christ and to celebrate his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY..... ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER 2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER Jesus Christ set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! Luke 24 : 39 - 42 ANSWER GRACE G - Gods R - Riches A - At C - Christs E - Expenae Try it, Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I ! AGAPE !
Yeah, I went to 8 different religions that I was seeking the truth.. I found SDA the truth and I became SDA for 34 years. I love them and I love you alll. smile
I’ve been SDA most of my life I would never ever even consider going to a different church and one of the reasons is because if the commandment remember the sabbath is good for Jesus and he keeps the sabbath and he said we remember and why is it not good enough for me
Sobia, you are on the right track don't shaken or be hesitant no matter what, spread the word with love, and let's Pray for one another JESUS IS COMING VERY SOON, watching from SAFRICA Gauteng Province in Pretoria, let's meet at the sea of glass 🙏.
6 - 5 - 23 #1 Isn't the Bible supposed to come FIRST according to Adventism? #2 Why aren't you a PROUD CHRISTIAN FIRST who is then an SDA ? #3 Why are YOU not PROUD enough to SPREAD/ PREACH the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ? Too busy bestowing accolades to the Investigative Judgment ? Too busy WORKING your technology ALL day on Saturday's ? ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
It's time to humble yourself. There will be NO PRIDE in heaven. We are living in the true day of Atonement. Don't end up being like one of the 5 foolish virgins.
It would be very nice if you are doing videos' on Separate denominations that came from the SDA Church if you could do one on the The General Association of Davidian Seventh Day Adventists. They are a small denomination(as is the one you just covered), that is and has been very much hated by the SDA church. It was silenced in every way possible by the General Conference at the time. Knowledge of what they believe and their history is not known by the vast majority of people(even Adventists today). If you are doing a video on SDA reform movements or branches then the GADSDA movement should also be listed as it has a history that the SDA church wants to be forgotten and silenced.
The main SDA Church definitely practices open communion. In every SDA communion service at which ai have been present (my home denomination), they always announce "the Seventh-Day Adventist Church practices open communion."
I agree, sadly, this is one abomination that I am sighing and crying over, personally I will not practice open communion with a person who is not a member, but I do present this subject tactfully, when I have opportunity, as a member of the SDA church.
This is continuation of the above comment of Carrie, that was January 1988, so when we went home we went to join the Sdarm church,bec. it is there where we found the truth.We were not only ones who have the same experience , there are others too that when they found out the truth about r these reform practices that we should reform ,and asked the pastors or elders in the sda they reason out and even get irritated. But I still love my former sda church so as of now I attend the sda and enjoy the company of them, I share with them the truths that I recieved from the Lord through the Sdarm , the sdarm church is very far from here thats why I attend the sda but I took the opportunity to share and they are happy with me.At least they are not prejudice. What is in my mine is that whether we are in the sda or sdarm we must read and study continually and the Lord will bless us all
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
I agree whole heartedly with the reform movement. I am a Seventh day Adventist and agree with their conservative stand on all the subjects discussed in this video. Amen.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
@@Enockbeckbrown-hf6xx thanks. I have those copies. Actually it is at the point of war and arm bearing that, another movement, the International Missionary Society was born.
There are quite a few small groups within SDA who believe the SDA church erred in rejecting the 1888 message, but righteousness by faith wasn't what was rejected. SDAs today all teach Righteousness by Faith as far as I know.
They do, but a lot of issue around the Reform Movement's stance on this was the... delay, in this acceptance. When the 1888 teaching emphasising salvation by grace was taught, the denomination swept it under the rug somewhat. Many accepted it, but many didn't. This came to a head somewhat in the 1920's and beyond, around the same time the reform movement was founded, though after this point the teaching became more and more readily accepted. In short SDAs and SDARMs would now agree on this topic, but many adventists did not agree with the stance when the Reform movement was founded.
@@popebretticus The real controversy of 1888 that no one talks about is the "law that was added" in Galatians. The SDA leadership rejected that message and maintains a legal-penal substitution type system to this day. If you want to hear an alternative view more in line with Jones and Wagoner you could read "The God-shaped Heart" by Adventist psychologist Timothy Jennings. There are small groups within Adventism that understand 1888 many of whom stumble on the truth by reading EGW.
Yes, the lack of revival by understanding the 1888 message largely remains: only a few scholars pick up its uniqueness, like Jon Pauline. Jesus is Saviour "of all men" not just those who believe: salvation is real in Jesus because "all died" in his death (2.Cor 5:15), for sinners only to come to know who they are in Christ for faith to begin. Such powerful motivation can harness God's grace to victory, amen.
@@americanswan Yes, the heart motivation is the nub of the rebirth, but this truth goes with the penal substitution Christ had to suffer for us: death to sin & self in Christ's death for us is the pivotal truth of the Bible, Ellen White, Waggoner & Jones. Tim Jennings may not skip this or he will lose the rest of his message & the whole gospel as well: it's never just accepting a heartfelt appreciation that God is love - a mental agreement, such is not the miraculous conversion of dying to self and coming alive to Christ.
The "funny" thing is: SDA-REF and IMS claim that the SDA church has rejected the message of 1888 while adopting the mother church's view on the Godhead. The message of 1888 was as non-trinitarian as it can get: „While both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christ’s personality had a beginning“ (E. J. Waggoner, The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889). Waggoner's book "Christ and his Righteousness" (Jan 1889) was based on his preaching at the GC 1888. The first 4 chapters are about Christ's relationship to God and how his birth was a literal event in eternity past.
AMEN brother. The Father is first in point of time. and Christ has a literal begetting from eternity out of the Father. praide God for the 1888 message.
I was a part of the IMSSDARM for a while, but eventually left and joined the SDA church. The only difference between the two reforms that I could see was the nature of Christ. The Reform takes the position that "Christ was tempted in all points as we are yet without sin" strictly applies to the 3 temptations. Whereas the IMSSDARM took the view that Christ had the same internal temptations as you or I, yet didn't yield to them. I take the latter view now in the SDA church, but there are many different views. Either way, I'm impressed that you even found IMSDARM, as while they have the same number of members, people rarely hear about them.
I’m sorry to hear that you left! But I hope that you found a local SDA church aligns with your principles. In my experience the name popularity of either of the two Reform Movements differs from country to country. For example, in my country the Netherlands, the IMS Reform Movement is colloquially called the Reform Movement, since the other Reform Movement has hardly any members here (and they are colloquially called the ‘51-movement’).
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
Thanks for sharing your research! One important end time teaching for the SDA church is something termed the "shaking". I don't know if this is in any of your lectures.
I wouldn't say abstaining from unclean foods is a requirement as an SDA. It's highly encouraged, but I don't know of anyone losing membership over dietary habits.
5 - 16 - 23 Three days ago SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT ! "" I AM the RESURRECTION ! "" John 11 : 25 ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER Jesus Christ set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! Luke 24 : 39 - 42
@ Trekfan04 how would the members know what is cooking in my pot ? Jus saying, if I ate something contrary to the dietary law/s, how could another member know ? ... would I go and tell anyone in the congregation, Hey, I ate "xyz" ?
Franz Hasel and Desmond Doss were two of Adventistism’s two best known conscientious objectors. Franz Hasel was in the German army, he was able to keep the sabbath through out and carried a wooden gun! His story was told in the great book “A Thousand Will Fall.” Desmond Doss’ story was told in the much touted Mel Gibson movie The Hero of Hacksaw Ridge where Desmond went on to win the congressional Medal of Honor for saving over seventy five men during the Battle of Okinawa.
No, the Shepered Rod groups (sometimes called the Davidians) have additional teachings. I said groups because there are at least 8 different teachings that I am aware of. No clear leadership. They have added another prophet, Victor Houteff. Many other teachings that differ from SDAs. But they remain within the membership of the SDA church. Some are violent, encouraging to prepare and use weapons to kill "unfaithful SDAs" before Christ coming. See the Waco massacre for more infos.
More in line maybe but not totally in line. The church of our Pioneers didn’t worship a God who is one in three persons. They all worshiped the one true God, the Father, and His only begotten Son!
@@user-cg6vw5px7enone sense, one in 3 persons, that’s catholic my friend. Each one in the God head have their particular responsibility in the plan of redemption. One in mind.
I am a bit confused after watching this video. In the early part of the video, you mentioned the Germany SDA that allowed non-combat military service. Then why after they form the SDA Reformed Movement, they impose strict opposition to even non-combat military service?
German SDA permitted military service which is why those who held the traditional SDA position of noncombatance broke away from them to form the SDA Reform Movement.
@@violetcrumble57I think they were worried about being persecuted by the Nazis (conflated with Jews because of Sabbath & no pork). It is to their shame that they cowered before an earthly power rather than stood strong with God, but I can't judge, having never gone through something like that.
@@marktatum7075 Let's be honest, we venerate and recognise those who died for their faith as martyrs b/c not many people truly have the courage to do it. The vast majority of people have a very strong preference for being alive and wrong vs right and dead. If amending a teaching on military service with some weasel words about non-combantancy is sufficient to get a tyrannical govt to bugger off and leave them alone they will do it. That don't make it right but it makes it understandable I suppose.
I just bumped on this ministry which I've never known was existed. I'd like to know more about you. But one thing already is troubling me! If you separate yourself from the denomination known from almost everyone(especially Adventist people), why are you functioning under the same logo with flames and an upside down esoteric devilish cross, considered rather closer to other world organizations, that's for a lot of us unfit for our three angels message? Isn't that confusing?
The main similarity is the belief that the dead are asleep and that the wicked are annihilated. Jehovah's Witnesses are actually an offshoot from Sunday keeping Adventists, with whom Charles Russell was briefly affiliated.
Can you talk about Jeovah Witness because I feel like half of the information your talking about have similarities with Jeovah Witness I'm one of JW and I want to learn and see similarities with Seventh Day Adventist?☺️❤️
The main similarity I am aware of is that SDAs and JWs both believe the dead are asleep and that the unrepentant are annihilated instead of being tormented forever. SDAs are trinitarians who believe that salvation is by grace alone. They believe in a visible return of Christ and that Christ is fully God and fully man.
The SDARM believe as JW on no celebrating Christmas, birthdays etc and also they don't vote as JW don't vote in an election. Also SDARM do not agree on shunning an ex member and they are not afraid of reading books or articles written by other denominations.
Well said! I have been a member of the Reform Movement for most of my life. Have agitated the subject of possible unity between Reform groups and Concerned Brethren of the Seventh-day Adventist church over the past 20 or so years with no real solid answers or interest in my concerns. I have researched the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy on the subject of Separation and Unity and my research has convicted me that God's people are to stay with the main SDA church where certain apostasies are to be expected but that there will always be a faithful core who would sigh and cry for the problems and yet work for the salvation of souls both in and out of the church, uplifting God's standards within and waiting patiently for God to finish His work within HIs church will be purified (separation between Sunday keeping SDA's who give up the Sabbath and faithful Sabbath keepers) and form the Small Triumphant Remnant Church.
Of all the 7th Day Adventist Churches that I visited - one I attended quite regularly for about a year to two years. I was convinced about Sabbath Day - Saturday Worship - at that time. As far as the Dietary Laws of the Old Testament they interpret that as complete vegetarianism. Sorry, I like a good lean beef burger. I can understand that there must have been a "Plant Based Diet" in the Garden of Eden, but the Jews ate meat, chicken and fish, no pork or certain other mammals & birds and restricted fish. There are indications that on average the 7th Day Adventist in America are one of the healthiest citizens in the country. I found the veneration of Ellen White was an overkill that prompted me to return to a Sunday Based Worship Day. As for their strict adherence to Biblical Study & Truth it is really "Spot On" and I do believe that Saturday is the Biblically True Day for Worship, I find it very hard to become a Vegetarian. Maybe that is something to consider or at least limiting animal in one's diet. Too much Ellen White. Covid certainly put a damper on attending any services. I visited many different churches for I believe in "The Body of Christ". There was one 7th Day Congregation that I considered going back just to attend Worship. Very Welcoming. Should return and attend. Better than no church. Quite a drive. Don't attend anything locally as for a Sunday Worship Church. I think the "End Times are near. At least for me. Sabbath is Saturday. As for Ready to Harvest, these are some of the best analyses of Christianity and its divisions. Extremely In-depth. Thanks. God Bless in Jesus' Name. Amen.
You just have to take EGW with a grain of salt because some adventists are very IN TO HER and some are not in it just depends on what church you go to. I was raised to SDA and I didn't even know who EGW was till I was in my teens that's how little she was emphasized in the church I grew up in. The official teaching of the church and most of it is I know is when in doubt go with The Bible. If EGW causes you confusion then just go with The Bible she is only there to help and guide but she does not supercede The Bible. Vegetarism is encouraged but not required with SDAs. Its a practice in discipline...but not required for membership. My aunts who were amongst the first Adventists in my family ate meat for over 20 or 30yrs after joining the church. It's only now in their 70s they have become vegetarians and my grandmother never made that switch and they were all leaders and highly respected in our local church! Now on the other hand we did have some vegetarians at our church and one of our members live to be a 107 years old actually she died 1 week before she turned a 107 and she was a vegetarian. I have another aunt who is not an adventist but has an adventist like diet... and she's 96yrs old and still healthy and in her right mind.
@@Keonny77 Thanks for your reply. Although the SDA Church that I attended is not close, I have to get going on Saturday Worship Focus. One becomes so programmed by Sunday Worship. The entire Protestant Society - few exceptions - and Western Society - America are conditioned into Roman Sunday. In fact I still have my last copy of "Rome's Challenge", but I lost/recycled my notes on the book "Sabbath to Sunday". I almost bought a few some years ago to give to my Catholic Family and Christian Community, but I've been disowned/distant for quite some time. Anyways, sometimes I do not "Fret" with Saturday verses Sunday, but God did command His chosen people to have their day of "Rest" to Worship the Creator on the 7th Day. Jesus, His Disciples and the early Believers of "The Way" would attend - including Gentile converts - Saturday Worship which begins on Friday Night. Afterwards, the followers of Jesus would gather Saturday Night for the "Feed Bag" and have their 'Guest Speakers' and/or read Letters and Scriptures in many situations well into Sunday. Well, thank you for generating some "Fellowship" on the Net. God Bless. Amen.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
Thanks for this interesting deep dive into SDA splitter groups. I think the SDARM is only one of more than 25...30 groups that have split over time from the SDA. In most cases they are more strict to some aspects of the bible and neglect others on the other hand. I grew up in an SDA family in Germany. The positions might vary slightly from Country to Country and even region. All together the tolerance level is higher in north Germany than in the south but its higher alltogether than in african countries i guess. The actual head of the SDA general conference (Ted Wilson) is quite conservative and wants to reunite as many believers as possible to more strict views. For my part i am much more liberal in many positions including the so called special teachings of the SDA...
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
The Reformed SDA in California STILL RUN w/the 7th day Sabbath established in Gen'.1 & 2....NOW in Gen'.2: there is NO (evening & morning); Terminology to mark the 7th Day Creation (24 hr', period); like in Gen'.1:...Also in Genesis 2,: there is NO (evening to evening) 4th Commandment Terminology to define when the the Sabbath Day time begins & ends; like in Lev'.23:32.
Is there any church that does not think that it is the only correct one and does not impose its own rules but only interprets the Bible? So, only the community that talks about God without any conditions and emphasizing that they are special? I would really like to be a member of such a church because it will be difficult to survive alone, and joining a church with which you do not completely agree makes no sense to me.🤷🏻♀️
Hey Joshua. I wanted to get your opinion. This is a little off topic of this particular video but has to do with the overarching premise of your channel. One of the common complaints from those skeptical of Christianity is the argument from religious/biblical confusion. In a nutshell, the argument would be that the Bible cannot be a revelation from an all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving God because there is so much disagreement among Christians. This would not be expected if Christianity was true but is not surprising if something like naturalistic atheism is true. If the Christian God exists, surely he would not allow so much confusion about his message. I figured that very few people would know more about the differences between Christian denominations than you, but one of the things I notice from watching your videos is that Christians share more commonalities than differences especially on issues that most Christians would regard necessary for having a saving faith. That is to say there's one God, this God is triune, this God is the Creator of us all, that our relationship with God has been damaged due to the entrance of sin in this world, that God sent His Son to die for our sins, and that he physically raised him from the dead. And if we trust in Christ we will be saved from sin and have eternal life, and that Jesus will eventually return to raise the dead in Christ to himself. While I'm not Reformed, I personally think the Westminster Confession of Faith (1.7) hits the nail on the head when it says "The meanings of all the passages in the Bible are not equally obvious, nor is any individual passage equally clear to everyone. However, everything which we have to know, believe, and observe in order to be saved is so clearly presented and revealed somewhere in the Bible that the uneducated as well as the educated can sufficiently understand it by the proper use of the ordinary means of grace." My question is this: In studying the different denominations and all of their many differences, has your confidence decreased in God's ability to communicate with mankind his saving message or has it increased?
The confusion is because of protestant sola scriptura. The reformation which really was fuelled by innovations in printing of bibles put interpretation of scripture away from the magisterium of the western church into the hands of local authority. this has really devolved into individual believers in the modern world having the authority to interpret as they wish. thankfully the ancient church councils established a consensus regarding the trinity and divinity of jesus in the West. if an athiest presses you on the state of modern christianity tell them Christ gave us one church not a canon of sacred scripture. and that one church still exists to this day guided by the holy spirit with a supreme teaching authority in succession to Peter the apostle
Good question. Researching denominations has not led me to view Christianity as less credible. I don't see how it follows like some claim. Just because God is able to by his omnipotence suppress the "free speech" of humanity to promote corrupted versions of the truth does not mean he will. So even if God just wants people to be free to believe what they want and say what they want is an answer to why his omnipotence is compatible with the mixed messages found in denominations. The Bible itself claims that there will be false prophets and opposing opinions prevalent, so it seems compatible with what we see. Also, divine hiddenness can provide additional arguments for why God may have an interest in allowing people to promote many versions of Christianity.
Great Comment. The more "Modern" Christianity becomes it seems too diverse from Ephesians 4: 3-7: "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (vv. 5-7). Still have amongst other reference books: The Westminster Standards". Thanks. God Bless. In Jesus' Name. Amen.
It’s all wrapped up in, A new commandment I give you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, you must also love one another. Jesus knew exactly all the denominations that would arise and gave us the key to unity. This command is different than love your enemies and those outside the faith.
Here is a in-depth study on the subject and please check out the other biblical based series @ Secrets Unsealed. th-cam.com/play/PLIWJyuxBfZ7jK9uF6U4hXZfpEaiW_t8WA.html
Nothing dangerous about the Shepherd's Rod. Of course that is assuming your talking about the original/true Davidians that follow Victor T Houteff's teachings. If you are referring to the Branch Davidians, then continue on as you were.
@@fnjesusfreak For a bit more context, Vernon Howell(David Koresh) usurped authority over the already existent branch Davidian group founded by Benjamin Roden in 1955. The Branch Davidians themselves are a radical splinter group broken off of the General Association of Davidian Seventh Day Adventists after Victor T Houteff's death. Roden taught contrary to the teachings of Houteff and made many new and erroneous doctrines. Then Roden died and his wife Lois Roden took charge even more erroneous doctrine. After her was supposed to be George Roden but Koresh challenged the claim and usurped Authority of the Branch Davidians and taught even more crazy doctrine. Just explaining for those who didn't know the history.
here's a good idea from an episode.... Sabbatarian movements in early US history, you could focus on the seventh day baptist movement. it's amazing how many of the early protestant movements began as Sabbath keepers.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
I've attended several 7th Day Churches for I keep returning to Sabbath Saturday Worship. Struggle with the over teaching of Vegetarianism, although I could be healthier. I stopped attending because of Covid and usually leave over too much Ellen White Veneration. Thanks.
Christ Jesus our Lord rose before the end of the sabbath because he died in the midst of the week as written in Daniel 9:27 and was in the sepulchre before 7pm wednesday. In John 19 and John 20, we see that the disciples went there in the end of the sabbath. Christ also met them in the first night of the week as read in the book of Matthew, which is from saturday at sundown to before sunrise on sunday. Ezekiel 8:16 clearly shows the sinners having their Easter sunrise service by worshipping the sun towards the east.
I'm now a member of the Main SDA church. The message is Simple. Keep God's commandments through the power of Jesus in the Heart, ready for His second coming! The Church giving this message in its broadest and simplest terms is still the SDA church!
@@Mario-ve7lr Depend on God, not man, and witness by example. His faithful few amongst unfaithful majority will live up to every ray of light, which includes highest standards of healthy living, not just giving up meat. There are many unhealthy vegetarians.
@@garysouthwell5762 well, i have the same thought like you bro, i think God never wanted us to come out from Sda, the point is as long as we keep the commandment of God and trust the testimony of Jesus, we will unite together among the faithfull one.
Be aware that keeping the commandments will not save you. Only Jesus' imputed righteousness will save you, and commandment keeping is the loving fruit of faith in Jesus' grace.
@@walterhelm8186 Brother beware of the False New theology stressing Imputed righteousness over imparted righteousness. Faith without works of obedience is worthless, but true obedience come from a converted heart that relies on Jesus power and conviction working from within to bring about joyful commandment keeping and this is called imparted righteousness or sanctification leading to perfection in Jesus.
@YAJUN YUAN en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1888_Minneapolis_General_Conference I think this shows the 1888 sermons are not well known and not just Righteousness by Faith.
The 3rd angels message is righteousness by faith in verity. Christ righteousness inputted and impacted into those that believe in Jesus. It is putting on the robes of Christ righteousness by faith. It is in essence victory over sin in this world through faith in Christ Jesus.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please.
After visiting both denominations in the past SDARM and IMSSDARM I found that the reason they are so small compare to the SDA church is their lack of organizational skills. A lot of things are pushy and chaotic. As the SDA church is very well organized. On words the reform movements are big, super big. On practice ... Not so big... After losing my time I found that they offer no alternative...
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
@@Enockbeckbrown-hf6xx I totally agree. Even though in this times it was very hard. So the true Adventist didn't fought. Those people were heroes and they mostly died in prisons. The once that survived the second world war joined the church again. And very small minority after that registered another organization the reform movement that claimed they are the heroes ... Only in time of war it will be possible to observe if this is true or not... Because the real heroes actually died, and from the rest not even third join the reform movement church, when it was created as a separate denomination... And I support the idea that this denomination shouldn't exist.
The NKJV seems to be the most popular translation among regular SDAs. The NLT and NIV are also used. Haven’t seen much NASB or ESV, and I was in the church for about 16 years.
I know some, probably the more conservative, like to stick to the KJV. I personally use a NKJV, but I like the KJV and know that there are reasons for why they stick to the KJV.
6 - 4 - 23 #1 Fine WHERE in the KJV Bible 1611 or in the Hebrew, Aramaic or GREEK of the text do Angels have GOLDEN PLATES GOLDEN CARDS just because Ellen G White and her contemporary Joseph Smith said so ( Chapter and verse please ) If you all don't mind Thank you in advance #2 LDS : Joseph Smith said Angels have GOLDEN PLATES SAME AS......... SDA : Ellen G White said Angels have GOLDEN CARDS ( Early writings 39 : 2 ) #3 AGAIN............ Ask a Seventh day Adventist Using the Bible ONLY Using the Bible FIRST As Adventists claim to do WHERE in the KJV Bible 1611, or in the Hebrew, Aramaic or GREEK of the text do Angels have GOLDEN PLATES GOLDEN CARDS just because Ellen G White and her contemporary Joseph Smith said so ( Chapter and verse please ) If you all don't mind Thank you in advance ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
I think that's why the "main" Seventh Day Adventist church advocates for pursuit of good health, but does not mandate vegetarianism as the only path to that. A much more reasonable stance, in my opinion. Our bodies are a temple, and we should keep them healthy... but the pursuit of that health is not always black and white. Vegetarianism can be immensely beneficial to some, but terrible for others. Furthermore, vegetarianism doesn't automatically equate to health. Chocolate is vegetarian!! At the end of the day, the core of the "health message" is the pursuit of good health. The reform movement misses the point entirely, in my opinion, by mandating only one path to good health, sometimes to the detriment of their members.
And since Christ ate meat, offered fish to the apostles after his resurrection, and Peter was commanded to kill and eat animals, and Paul only discouraged meat sacrified to idols because of "the weaker brethren," there are also no New Testament grounds for it.
St. Paul wrote "One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him." in Romans 14. We don't have to make assumptions about a vegetarian doctrine; St. Paul, by God, told us what to think about it.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
I also have a lot of frustration with the "Godhead" in Mormonism. The funny thing is that in Spanish, the church just calls it "La Trinidad", so as the person said, it's not that Mormonism is opposed to the Trinity, it just doesn't like the term. I am of the opinion that Mormonism, like Adventism, is in fact trinitarian, but the churches disliked the Catholic tradition so much that they started using the term "Godhead" as a protest...but when you get down to the nuts and bolts, there's nothing canonical in Adventism or Mormonism that is incongruent with the Orthodox-Catholic description of the "mystery" of the Trinity.
6 - 5 - 23 #1 The Trinty is explained in the EXACT SAME WAY as the GODHEAD 1st Corinthians 12 : 4 - 6 The Holy Spirit is the SAME GOD Jesus is the SAME GOD The father is the SAME GOD #2 There is ONE GOD #3 There are three distinct persons in the Holy Trinity ( GODHEAD ) but the SAME ONE GOD #4 Trinty/ GODHEAD are BOTH still explain that there is ONE GOD and they are the SAME
"Although there are evils existing in the church , and will be until the end of the world, the church in these last days is to be the light of the world that is polluted and demoralized by sin. The church enfeebled and defective , needing to be reproved , warned , and counseled , is the only object upon earth upon which Christ bestows His supreme regard . Testimonies to Minister # 49
As a member of a reform group in the West Indies (not called reform in our name though) our stance on the Godhead is this. God is triune and though each part is fully God, there would be no God without the 3. We can never truly begin to understand a truly eternal being but I think he left clues in his creation. Mankind is body(form), spirit(breath/life force), and soul(consciousness). God is infinite power(father), infinite wisdom(son), and infinite love(spirit). If you have power but no wisdom how would you use it? If you have love but no power or wisdom can you work in righteousness? Just like how humans need body, soul, and spirit to be fully effective then God has to have all three to be fully effective. One human, one God. But we are finite and we cannot grasp the realms of the infinite like what happened in the incarnation. However I believe this to be a stable explanation of who and what God is. Blessings to you all.
I can’t get over the SDA Church using an upside down cross on their official emblem. It only takes a few seconds of looking at it before you notice it too 🤦🏻♂️
@@americanswan Those who were gifted eyes that see and ears that hear by The Father in heaven see it immediately. It’s clear as day, the top of the cross is touching the spine of the book, the long section is up high. You see those three wavy lines too? That’s the Druid pagan symbol for the number 6, you’ve got an upside down cross and a 666 all on the same logo. You can literally test Ellen White against the Bible and show she’s a false prophetess on numerous occasions too. It should be extremely obvious by just what they teach alone with prophecy and how 90% of it is just plain wrong. The SDA Church belongs to Rome, it’s their favorite controlled opposition for anyone that realizes the Pope is the Antichrist. If they can’t fool a person away from that truth they’ll try and sort their lot into the SDA Church and damn them to hell with a false spirit that’s not of GOD. Paul said if you take another spirit you might well bear with it and also made it clear that a different gospel can’t save you. You don’t believe in eternal security in the SDA Church and you’re working your way to heaven with the false laws of Ellen White. I’m not trolling you, I’m trying to help you avoid the fires of hell because 99% of the people I’ve met in the SDA Church are not saved according to the Bible. I very rarely meet one who trusts on Jesus and denounces Ellen’s teachings and those people always say the same thing, they just want to go to Church on Sabbath and don’t have another Church in their area who offers that. Those people are my brothers and sisters. The rest of the SDA Church is unfortunately working their way straight to a Matthew 7:21-23 conclusion and it’s extremely sad. I want you to be saved if you’re not already trusting on Christ alone and denying the false teachings of the plagiarist witch Ellen White. You should really study her past more, you’d know she had a lot of false prophecies in her lifetime if you did. You’d know her Spirit of Prophecy book got edited 6 different times by the SDA Church too. The original was still a demonic book but they’ve now removed all the things she said that were obviously wrong and left many things that are still wrong but less obvious if you’re already under her spell. I’ll pray for you! GOD Bless! ❤️
@YAJUN YUAN ^ Read this. I know everything that the SDA Church believes, your Church however doesn’t trust the Bible, that’s a common lie that I hear often. You do however trust a false interpretation of it made by a witch named Ellen White. Miller himself said he was completely wrong too, and I agree. Miller even got the year of Jesus’s death and the year of the decree going out off by a year too. It was in fall 458 BCE that the decree went out and Jesus died in 30 AD. The Jewish Calendar even confirms that this is the only possible year for his death besides 27 AD or 37AD where Jesus would have died on a Wednesday like the story clearly shows us he did. Those other two years are notably wrong and we know Paul was already an apostle by early 34 AD too. Jesus got interred in the grave at sundown when Nisan 15th was beginning without his burial procedures finished which would be a Thursday in Jewish terms. He spent Thursday, Friday, and Saturday in the tomb and Jesus rose to life after evening fell on Sabbath which Jews consider the start of Sunday. By Jewish law of that era the entire time period from Nisan 15 to the next true Sabbath is a rest period and a Sabbath in itself. Jesus rested all three nights and days of that Sabbath and then rose to life immediately after the Sabbath period ended. Mary Magdalene and the other women were on their way back Sunday morning before the sun rose because it was the first day where they could legally go finish Jesus’s burial procedure. Before you say it, I am aware that Jesus spoke of his death and resurrection in two different terms. Sometimes he said three days and nights in the tomb of the Earth(completed) and other times he said on the third day he’d raise his body to life(incomplete). Jesus was telling us when he was coming back for us(his body on Earth). The Bible is full of two day and third day parables and they’re all related to the Messiah’s return. At some point after two days(2000 years) it’s his solemn promise to come retrieve us and start a paradise. Learn that Ellen White only told lies please, put your faith in Christ alone! I’ll pray for you now! GOD Bless! ❤️
That logo is fairly recent. The original logo was Three Angels. Many conservative Adventists reject the new logo. This is actually a minor area of contention within the Adventist Church at this time. Realize of course that the Jesuits are active in all denominations. And especially seem to attack outliers like the seventh Day Adventist Church. We've actually found high ranking Adventists where Jesuits after their death. Given that adventism is one of the few churches that still calls the papal system Antichrist. This is problematic.
Good stuff, but I'm sure you've heard by now that all card-carrying Adventists pronounce the name with emphasis on the first syllable. You jump between the first and second and it sounds rather jarring.
The biggest sda channel on youtube, Bible Flock Box, and the SDA church's channel itself both use the pronunciation I do in this video. it is mostly Americans who don't realize that a large number of adventists pronounce it the other way.
Went to an SDA boarding school in the 1980s and they only served vegetarian dishes with eggs and dairy allowed, I used to love the gluten steaks when they were cooked just right, most SDAs reframed from eating any meat as a rule, but some will eat clean meat dishes if invited to someone else's home.
5 - 16 - 23 Three days ago SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT ! "" I AM the RESURRECTION ! "" John 11 : 25 ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER Jesus Christ set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! Luke 24 : 39 - 42
Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is a so-called god/not deity. Jehovah's Witnesses believe the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, Jehovah, is the only true God/deity.
This is exactly why I don't like the SDA. It sounds like a gateway for leaving Christ's New Testament by embracing the Old laws as superior. Sounds exactly like the judiasers, the same anti-Christ mentors who were a plague to Peter, Paul and other aspostles. Christians should focus on Christ. Shifting that focus to anything else - whether it's traditions of men for Catholics and Orthodox, or the worldly pleasures for progressive Christians and liberal protestants. It always leads people astray.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
The following is Scriptural proof who Jesus really is and that He is much more than just the Son of God. Paul said in Galatians 1:12 that he was not taught by any man but was taught by Jesus himself which means whatever Paul said was what Jesus told him to say. Paul said in 1 Timothy 3:16,"AND WITHOUT CONTROVERSY GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS, GOD was manifest in the FLESH (Jesus), justified in the SPIRIT, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory." Paul said in 2 Corinthians 3:17,"Now the LORD IS THAT SPIRIT, and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty." Jesus is speaking in Revelation 2:7,"He that has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says to the churches...." And Paul said in Ephesians 4:4, "For there is one body, ONE SPIRIT....verse 5 ONE LORD, ONE Faith and ONE BAPTISM." Paul said in Colossians 2:8-10,"Beware lest any man fool you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 FOR IN HIM DWELLS ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY." Jesus is not just part of the Godhead - Jesus IS the Godhead. Paul said in Hebrews 1:8, "But unto the SON he said, Thy throne O GOD is forever and ever...." Jesus said in Revelation 21:6-7,"And he said unto me (John) it is done, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I (Jesus) will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of life freely. 7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his GOD, and he shall be my SON." Paul said in Titus 2:13, "Looking for that blessed hope, and glorious appearance of the great GOD and our SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST." Acts 7:59, "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying LORD JESUS, receive my spirit." 1 John 5:20,"And we know that the SON of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his SON Jesus Christ, THIS IS THE TRUE GOD, AND ETERNAL LIFE." Isaiah 9:6,"For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son (Jesus) is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, ..." Jesus said in Revelation 1:8, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, which was, and is to come, THE ALMIGHTY." Jesus said in Revelation 2:7, "He that has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says unto the Churches....." Jesus said in Mark 16:16, "He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be Saved, but he that believes not shall be damned." Jesus addressed what damned means in Luke 16:19-31, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 25:41, Mark 9:45-46, Revelation 20:15, and Revelation 21:8. Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, "Go therefore and teach all nations BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name and not names) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost." Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water they invoked Jesus Name at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. Peter said in Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men whereby we must be SAVED." Some say the thief on the cross next to Jesus was not Baptized yet Jesus told him he would be with him that day in Paradise. Jesus had not yet given the COMMANDMENT to be Baptized in His Name until after he rose from the dead and just before he ascended into heaven. The thief or anyone else could not have been Baptized in His Name because they did not know about it. There is no t one scripture that says a person receives the Holy Ghost just because they are a believer. Acts 19:1-5 is a good example. If you are convinced you need to get Baptized in water in Jesus Name and get Baptized with the Holy Ghost - which is addressed in Mark 16:17 (Jesus speaking): Acts 2:4 (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:3-5. Do a search, type in "United Pentecostal Church International", slightly scroll down to just below the red box, and type in your zip code. Then a screen will show a Church nearest you that will do that. If you do the above you will be making SURE your name is written in the Lamb's Book Of Life. Jesus said in John 10:27,"My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."
Why did they have to disfelliwship the 2% who didn't want to partake in the war? Surely if it was against their conscience you could let it go. Afterall it doesnt say in the bible that you "have to go to war"so not violating any God given command.
Yet another example of how a religion proof texts and contorts the bible to its way of thinking. It happens in nearly all christian denominations. They can't all be correct. Which one is?
They can be correct on the primary elements of Christianity, the rest is secondary.. if a denomination claims to be Christian but rejects primary elements of Christianity like salvation being in christ alone,Bible being the word of God, trinity then its considered a cult
protestant but i've come to the conclusion the catholics and orthodox are right. after all it was they who decided what is the canon of sacred scripture.
@@josephdoctor6423 what has been considered canon was really fixed quite recently. Catholic church has definitely through councils helped determine what should be included. For traditional christians the sacred scriptures dont take the centrepiece in what they consider worship. Even though traditions and rites must stick by it
Do you think it is possible that the Lord has permitted the multiplicity of denominations for the purpose of convincing some people that true Christianity is personal - not institutional? Both of my parents were Seventh-day Adventists when I was born in 1944. When I was a child, I got the impression that my parents’ religion was quite a different thing than their denominational affiliation, i.e. that their religion was faith in the Lord and his written word - not faith in a modern prophet and not faith in a religious organization or its officers. That was my impression about my parents when they died in the 1980s and it is still my impression about them today. Much of the argument/conflict about religious beliefs and practices could be minimized if people would consider the groups of people who created the various denominations as having been called by the Lord to emphasize various aspects of the truth about who he is and how he deals with the terrible emergency of sin. John Wycliffe in the fifteenth century and Martin Luther in the sixteenth century doubted that laity needed clergy to interpret the Bible for them. Both Wycliffe and Luther doubted that the ceremonies of the mass turned the bread and wine of the Lord’s supper into the body and blood of Jesus. Both Wycliffe and Luther doubted that people go directly to heaven, purgatory or hell when they die. Wycliffe described the condition of the dead as “an unconscious sleep between death and resurrection”. Luther taught that death in Jesus “is a fine, sweet, and brief sleep”. Luther doubted that the mediation of priests on Earth is necessary for sinners to obtain the forgiveness of God. John Calvin doubted that someone’s salvation depended on the decisions of priests or bishops on Earth. Anabaptists in England doubted that the baptism of infants was valid. Baptists doubted that sprinkling or pouring should be considered baptism. In the seventeenth century, English puritans doubted that the ceremonies of the Church of England were entirely biblical and urged that anything not biblical be discarded in favor of “biblical” worship services. English separatists were similar to the puritans but with more radical doubts. I doubt that the seventeenth century puritans’ doctrines and practices were entirely biblical - especially the practice of consigning “heretics” to whippings, pillories, stocks or banishment - but I think the puritans did take some steps in the direction of biblicism. In the seventeenth century, it seemed to John Wesley that most of his fellow Anglicans and even most of his fellow seminarians were satisfied with a religion that seemed to him to consist almost entirely of rituals. Wesley doubted that a mere change in STATUS before God (even if it were genuine) should be considered the only important aspect of salvation so he encouraged his friends to seek a “second blessing” - sanctification / transformation. That doctrine combined with his interest in taking the gospel to the poor in England generated enough opposition that he found himself without an assignment to a specific congregation. Whereupon he declared, “The world is my parish” and he began preaching in open fields or wherever else people were willing to listen to his appeals to seek holiness. This view allows us to admire the various reformers without idolizing them. We can decide for ourselves not only about which doctrines were “right” or biblical without the need to adopt all of the beliefs and practices of any one of the reformers or all of the beliefs and practices of any one group. If the Lord hasn’t called someone (yet?) to emphasize one or more specific doctrines or practices, I suggest praying that he will do so. If or when such a person is under conviction to emphasize something helpful - some specific way or ways to encourage friends, neighbors and family members to trust the Lord - that person can then look for an organization with a similar emphasis. While I heartily recommend such a plan, I recognize the problem of most groups sooner or later becoming dogmatic about lists of doctrines - which then makes it difficult for people whose religion is personal. When I requested full voting membership in the SdA organization in 1959, I didn’t consider it to be hierarchical, creedal or dogmatic. For a while, I could consider dogmatic adventists to be simply uninformed about the origins and nature of the advent movement and the exception rather than the rule. I would be able to “live with” a variety of beliefs and practices IF they weren’t promoted as adventist dogma but it seems to me that it is getting harder and harder to find SdA who aren’t dogmatic. Including me, perhaps, because of my dogmatic opposition to dogmatism.
No she wasn't. She said that both North and South were guilty in the promotion of Slavery and that both would suffer heavy losses, and they did, about half million on each side.
@Mark S what are you talking about. She was opposed of Lincoln and the North and have stated that Slavery will exist until the end of time. And that these (referring to Negro-slaves who worked in plantation baling cotton) were too inferior intellectually that none of them could ever be saved and that they'd all be anhilated at the judgement day.
@@treefellonya 4 - 30 - 23 Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day! "" I AM the RESURRECTION ! "" John 11 : 25 #1. INCREDIBLE NOT ONCE have YOU or ANY other Seventh day Adventist on ANY of these Threads / Comments hasn't even bothered ONCE to mention ANYTHING about SPREADING or PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( NOT ONE ) ( NOT ONCE ) Why not ? Too busy bestowing accolades to the Investigative Judgment ? #2 Isn't Adventistm SUPPOSED to be the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which is SUPPOSED to SPREAD/PREACH the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ? What are you waiting for ? #3 LDS : Mormonism teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT SAME AS........ SDA : Are your sins blotted out? SIMPLE Yes.....or......no #4 LDS : Mormonism teaches that Jesus did NOT FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery SAME AS....... SDA : Did Jesus FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL , NOTHING ADDED NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY ? SIMPLE Yes......or......no #5 Does one NEED TO be OBEDIENT to the LAW in order to receive GRACE ? SIMPLE Yes.....or......no ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER 2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER Jesus Christ set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! Luke 24 : 39 - 42 ANSWER GRACE G - Gods R - Riches A - At C - Christs E - Expenae Try it, Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I ! AGAPE !
@@porfiriojohn5276 Ok, well We assume that those condemning adventists for keeping the commandments, preaching grace, grace, grace already know the Gospel. We preach the gospel to sinners - as Jesus said, "I am come to call sinners, not the righteous to repentance" - The rest, such as you, are attacking adventist Christians, in spite of the fact that the Bible explicitly warns that this is what Satan does. We therefore, respond accordingly - according to the Word of God, not to the dictates of man made traditions. There is no such thing as "resurrection day" taught anywhere in the Bible. That is a Catholic thing. Sunday keeping is no different than Monday keeping. Sabbath keeping is a creation ordinance. It can never be done away with. As Jesus said - "I am come to make make full the Law" Then he finished by saying "...NOT to abolish it".
@@marks9935 Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day! "" I AM the RESURRECTION ! "" John 11 : 25 #6 Thank you again for being a TYPICAL SDA by NEVER mentioning ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about SPREADING / PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( NOT ONCE ) #7 Thank you for being a TYPICAL SDA by NOT ANSWERING SOME VERY SIMPLE questions in order to defend WHAT Adventism believes and WHY Adventism believes it in order to give an ANSWER to EVERYONE who asks 1 Peter 3 : 15 #8 YOU SAID that NO WHERE in scripture are we told that Jesus AROSE on the FIRST day of the WEEK being SUNDAY under Jewish CALENDAR... #9 The Bible disagrees with you Jesus Christ AROSE on the FIRST day of the WEEK being SUNDAY under Jewish CALENDAR Mathew 28 : 1 Mark 16 : 19 Luke 24 : 1 John 20 : 1 - 12 Acts 20 : 7 1st Corinthians 16 : 1 - 2 Oops 😬 sorry...... #10 Could you PLEASE show our audience WHERE ANY Seventh day Adventist on ANY of these Threads / Comments has even bothered ONCE to mention ANYTHING about SPREADING or PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ..... #11 The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable 1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18 #12 AGAIN..... Are you going to suggest that ALL Seventh day Adventists should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK ? SIMPLE Yes......or....no #13 LDS : Mormonism teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT SAME AS........ SDA : Are your sins blotted out? SIMPLE Yes......or......no #14 LDS : Mormonism teaches that Jesus did NOT FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery SAME AS........ SDA : Did Jesus FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL , NOTHING ADDED NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY ? SIMPLE Yes.....or......no #15 Does one NEED TO be OBEDIENT to the LAW in order to receive GRACE ? SIMPLE Yes.....or.....no ANSWER Romans 1 : 1 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Speaking as an SDA I think it is dangerous to presuppose the SDARM is or is a significant part of the 144000, when hundreds of generations have past since Adam. What special tribulation have American SDARM members gone through to claim the 144000 for themselves? Neither do I like the idea of strict vegetarianism as a test of faith when that is not a teaching found in the New Testament. You also talk of the King James Version as if it is sacrosanct. Yet like other versions of the Bible Isaiah 8 : 14 is a mistranslation of the original text. The idea of a Virgin birth is based on a Greek mistranslation of the original text. The original text says young woman not virgin. Then the writers of Matthew pretend that the mistranslation was fulfilled !
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My brother, I am Seventh-day Adventist and I can say that I fully appreciate your treatment of these topics. No emotion, no bias, no mudslinging, just the facts. No one can argue with the facts (even though some may try). You are very thorough in your research and I praise God for the clear presentation of beliefs. It has given me a moment for pause to ask more questions about the SDARM and do a deeper study since on the surface, it seems to align more with what I believe. God bless your ministry.
If u love Jesus.. you should leave SDA church bcuz Ellen White is a FALSE PROPHET.. she is in Hell according to visions and most members of SDA will be endangered
@@marlindagomez5766 Hi Marlinda, if I could find a church that has more of what I believe to be truth based on my own Bible study, I'd gladly go there. Some of my search criteria are based on the following truths:
Salvation: Acts 4:12, Ephesians 2:8-9, 1 John 1:9
The Sabbath: Exodus 20:8-11, Matthew 12:8, Acts 13:42-44, Matthew 24:3-20
The State of the Dead: Genesis 2:7, Psalm 146:3-4, Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, John 11:11-14, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
The Second Coming: Daniel 12, Acts 1:11, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18
The Sanctuary: Psalm 77:13, Daniel 8:14, Hebrews 8:1-5
Do you have any suggestions?
@@deutscheman84 All man-made religion is doomed in lake of fire.
1. Roman Catholic - Papacy
2. SDA - Ellen White
3. Jehovah witness - Charles Russell
4. Mormonism - Joseph Smith
5. Islam - Muhammad
6. Christian Science - Mary Baker Eddy
7. Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) - Felix Manalo
8. Kingdom of Jesus Christ (KJS) - Apollo Quiboloy
@@marlindagomez5766 Even though I see things a bit differently, I understand what you mean. Do you go to church?
@@deutscheman84 It is good that you look for a church based on your understanding. Remember to look at the original languages (Hebrew/Chaldee/Greek)... also remember that we all have much to learn. A Strong's Concordance will do you well. God bless.
Amazing presentation! The most precise "outsider" presenting the churches that I've ever seen
Thank you!
5 - 8 - 23
Yesterday SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT !
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
Is he an outsider?
Thank you Brother! As an SDA, you have given an excellent overview of the differences between the two, even better than the denominations themselves. You definitely take time to do your research, for which I commend you. Well said, and God bless your platform.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
To all the members of the SDA CHURCH in the entire globe, let's engage in Prayer very critical and diligently, Persecutions are imminent, but we have to hold on till JESUS COMES 🙏watching from SAFRICA Gauteng Province in Pretoria.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
You have an incredible mind to figure all this out! This is so precise and clear -- but for a person not of Seventh-day Adventist heritage to figure all of that out -- pure genius!
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
@@Enockbeckbrown-hf6xx Ellen White was a false prophet!
My family happened to be driving around when I spotted a Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement church in Greenwood, Indiana. Our family is Seventh-Day Adventist. We ended up attending the church service one Sabbath, expecting potentially German speaking people there, because of their history in Germany. We found out that the whole church was Hispanic. Thankfully they had a translator. But, nevertheless we had a good time, and told them we were Adventists afterward. They seemed like really nice people.
There is also Free S D A started in 1914
5 - 8 - 23
Yesterday SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT !
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please.
It seems you landed at the SDARM IMS as the SDARM is in East St in Indianapolis.
There are a few Hispanic offshoots and some may even intertwine, such as Evangelio Eterno doing business under the Free SDA church
I honestly think it's quite funny that the Reform movement is essentially trinitarian but refuse to identify as such because that word was used by Catholicism. It's such an arbitrary reason to dismiss the concept.
Paganism taught that the supreme being is a Triune. Three beings stemming from one physical central body.
Catholicism adopted this in its teaching of Father Son and Holy ghost.
By removing the son and replacing the son with himself (the pope), the emphasis is placed on female worship bc Mary takes the place of Jesus in the God head in heaven. And The pope take the place of Jesus on earth.
While Catholicism proports that the Trinity has three separate beings, searching the records reflects an adoption of the pagan beliefs.
So Trinity does mean something different from Godhead.
No the Sdarm is not trinitarian bec . As far as I know we believe about the Father Son Holy Spirit but we call it when we give Bible Study The God Head not trinity. We do believe that the God head comprise of the Father ,the son and the Holy Spirit.
SDARM believe that there are 3 persons which is the Father the son and the Holy Spirit but they term it as GodHead not trinity .
No man or church understands the trinity. The concept in name does not exist in the Bible, as I'm sure you're aware. To come to a trinitarian conclusion is fair, given Scripture, but by no means is any formulation of it set in stone.
I find it very strange that people are willing to a) State with 100% surety the nature of the trinity, and b) Kick others out of their church for not agreeing. This is the cause of the East/West schism, as I'm sure you're aware. And churches/Christians continue to squabble over this.
Does ANYONE seriously believe that at Judgement, after having believed in Christ, repented of their sins, and done their best to live a good life... they will be denied an eternity with God because their formula for the trinity was wrong on some technical point?
People are so funny. :-)
Trinity, Trinitarian.... after researching on how it originated even before God calling Abraham out to serve Him, it should make a real Christian abhor such word. I'm so sad that so many SDA pastors and leaders have been brainwashed to believe it. And more sad when I see that many of them are so talented and look so spiritually dedicated to God, but when it comes to question such belief they get itchy and label you as enemy of God. I am 65 years old and grew up in the SDA church and seen the intentions of people trying to introduce this heresy in my church of that time but saw how our good fellowmen fought against it. Then 1980 came, I was going to church, but disconnected from any happenings at the upper level of the GC, and didn't notice the change. It's only after 2015 that I started to wake up and question. And coming 2020 I made an in-depth research and realized how far we got away from our original biblical roots.
How I chose to become a 7th Day Adventist was because of Pastor Doug Batchlor Amazing Facts Ministries, love his demeanor and teaching, teaches straight from the Bible and has also became a friend , thank you pastor Doug for saving me from my disrupted life I had been dealing with all my life, and thank you all the things you do for your church flock
It is good that you found a pastor who teaches straight from the Bible. It is always important however to not be "married" to a denomination. I myself have a pastor who I owe a lot to and deeply respect... but I don't take his Word as gospel. :-) A lot of pastors teach "straight from the Bible" but come up with very different interpretations. I'm not familiar with your pastor so I mean no offense, I only mean: learn to study on your own, with tools, and don't be afraid to disagree. Only God knows your heart, you owe reverence or allegiance to no man, only God.
A Strong's Concordance is a wonderful tool for Bible study. Also The Companion Bible is a very good study Bible.
Doug Butcher
Wow I thought salvation was of the lord , not man, stop following denominations they’re not of God they have their own mediator and it’s not Christ
God can even use vipers. As he did with pastor Doug.
@@davidinchcliff4560...were you bitten?
Very good... i learned things i didn't know.
Im a Seventh-day Adventist and i have only met one RSDA in my life. They are much smaller than SDA. Essentially they are old school adventist who make certain classic/traditional Adventist teachings and suggestions mandatory. SDA tends to be more of a big tent. When i was a child i was told we shouldn't join the military. But it's not enforced. I have seversl cousins who served, members of my local church who served and one of the most prominent Adventists is Admiral Barry Black who is the US Senate Chaplin...my current pastor served in the navy!
Ive heard some RSDA don't belive in watching TV or will hide it etc...
Great Learning from Rev. Black. I remember enjoying the teachings of one of his sermons: Leviticus. God Bless. In Jesus' Name. Amen.
@@benjaminrush4443 Dr.Barry Black?
You know Adventists generally refrain from using the term Rev.
@@Keonny77 No. Should I have used Pastor? No disrespect intended. I've viewed many sermons from Dr. Barry Black when He was the US Senate Chaplain. Most of the Biblically Based Programs on TV/Cable and Telecoms at 7th Day Churches have been Excellent. I got away from attending local Sunday Worship Services. Haven't been to a 7th Day Sabbath Service for some time. Just before COVID, I attended a few 7th Day Sabbath Services of Worship and thought of attending on a Saturday. Thank you. Bless.
@@benjaminrush4443 no disrespect received. Just sharing knowledge. Most pastors in our denomination don't make a big deal of it. It's just one of those little distinctions. Glad you like the services. I would recommend you check out Doug Bachelor with Amazing Facts along with Breath of Life and services from Oakwood University. You should be able to find them all on TH-cam.
@@Keonny77 Listened to Pastor Doug Bachelor and know his story of being a 'Mad Man Wilderness Freak'. I've listened and learned much from his teachings. Spent the entire day, yesterday reviewing "UsefulCharts" - Converted into Judaism (might be messianic - ?) on the Bible. I am a Historically centered Bible believing and reading Christian. In fact I still have my copy of the small book "Faith Against the Odds" by Mark Finley & Steven Mosley. I use to listen to Pastor Finley's Sunday Morning TV Show in the early mornings before the Net. When I was in the US Army - 1971 to 1973 - I was a KJV Bible Believing Roman Catholic and attended Christian Bible Studies. Use to "Freak-Out" the Baptist. Catholic! Why the KJV? "Most Authoritative". It started with a love for William Shakespear's Old English in 1960's High School. It seems that I failed in my "Calling", but the LORD is forgiving for He never called by in my future Apostacy when I abandoned Him. He never stopped loving me for the Carnally Minded Sinner I would become. But for His Amazing Grace (John Newton) "I once was lost, but now I'm Found". Thanks. Ephesians 4: 3-7. Amen.
It’s ironic because even when Moses received the 10 Commandments on Sinai the Israelites were still expected to wage war to take the land of Canaan so it’s “thou shalt not murder” is a better translation.
Thou shall not kill.
Why must so called Greek scholars change every single word just because they think there change is better.
Spoiler alert. Leave God's word alone. God's word is not supposed to be subject to man's opinion.
it says thou shalt not kill, period. blessings
Thou shalt not kill -- with the exception of any Midianites, of course.
@@jandellko There is a dark side to SDA . Their hospitals will perform abortions for any reason . What about the commandment thou shall not kill' ? They do abortions on the Sabbath too. Proverbs 6 :16-17 God hates hands that shed innocent blood . SDA is the only religious group that practice this wickedness . God created those babies and SDA doctors and nurses murder them for money . Jeremiah 1:5 God said I knew you when I formed you in the womb and sanctified thee . SDA has been in the abortion business for 50 years . Very strange for a people that claim to obey the 10 commandments !
The 6th commandments says, Thou shalt not kill. It does not say, Thou shalt not slay. What if God decided to put sinners in hell fire for how long they rejected him before they died? So 120 years in hell for 120 years of unrepentant sins and 30 years in hell for 30 years of unrepentant sins. Charity never faileth but love can wax cold. The last time I checked only women can give birth and produce milk for each baby. A man can never exactly be a woman. It is sad that American culture and the world's culture at large have changed husbands working hard outside the house and women working hard inside the house until the children are raised. Please reach at least one soul each week with the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Let us get ready for the new earth. Stars are not that big and cannot be trillions of miles away because of Revelation 6:13. Stars are sources of light and help with seasons. If Judge Jesus is considered a foreign prince, would you defend the constitution or obey the word of God? Sodomy (homosexuality) is a deathstyle. Biology is when two men and two women will never have their own literal children. Tragedy is when a husband and a wife cannot literally make one flesh. People should go preaching at abortion clinics. You abhor idols but you commit sacrilege by going to church every sunday. Remember that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by the Lord in Genesis. Sodomites (homosexuals, furries, necromancers) are disobeying the first commandment which God gave, which is, Be fruitful and multiply. Women should wear dresses and a head covering. Men should wear trousers with no head covering. The mark of the beast is spiritual and physical. Only God can create in the Bible sense which is to bring something out of nothing. Peace unto you. Let us follow the pure Christian religion. Dragon is the old word for dinosaur. Elohim is a devil. The saints are going through tribulation but that will end when the Lord Jesus shall return. The world shall go through the wrath of God, not tribulation. The saints shall possess the kingdom and we shall reign here for a 1,000 years. The feet of our Lord Jesus will touch the Olivet mount. The gospel of John shows that the Lord Jesus rose before the first day of the week. He died in the midst of the week and rose on the sabbath. Daniel 9:27, John 19:31, John 20. We would say that he died on Wednesday and rose on Saturday. The first passover of the holy old king James Bible always comes before the heathen Easter. Read Acts 12:1-4. If the first passover falls around Easter like in 2022, then something is wrong. The calendar problem must be solved. I am not relying on man and that is why the belief I have is different from most people. We ought to pray for the repentance and success of kings and all those in authority. I pray for president Joe Biden and his cabinet to do well and repent of their sins. I have been praying for all those in authority since I read 1 Timothy 2:1-4 some years ago. I am a sabbath keeping, new moon celebrating, holy day feast observing Christian that would never knowingly eat pork, shrimps, or anything sacrificed to idols. It is an abomination for a Christian to eat shrimps, pork, chicken, etc. Adam and Eve were children of God but they sinned by eating from an unclean tree. The mark of the beast will be IN the right hand or IN the forehead. It is spiritual and physical. Most of the world worships the beast by keeping sunday, friday, Christmas, Easter, Eid, Diwali, etc. The carnal mark is linked to a digital economy. Our Lord Jesus never ate shrimps or pork. Prayerfully read Leviticus 11:43 and Revelation 21:8. If you make yourself abominable, that is a sin! Repent.
The new covenant will not save you if you continue being rebellious and stubborn against the word of the Lord. It is a sin to steal and a sin to forget the sabbath (saturday). *1 Samuel **15:23** KJV - For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.* Witchcraft, sorcery idolatry, witches, sorcerers, idolaters will be cast into hellfire. Only they that are washed in the blood of the Lord Jesus and keep his commandments shall be kings and priests. There is no such thing as a sunday rest or sunday sabbath in the Bible. Only the seventh day is blessed, sanctified and hallowed. Isaiah 66:22,23 says that from one new moon to another and from one sabbath to another shall all flesh worship before the Lord in the new earth. Matthew 7:21-23 proves that not everyone that says Jesus is Lord will enter the kingdom. We need to do the will of the Father which is to obey and honor our Lord Jesus Christ. He kept the new moons and we ought to keep them.
Thank you. I found this very interesting. I am a Seventh day Adventist in the United States.
God is love.
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Two days ago SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT !
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
#1
Yes you are a Seventh day Adventist
#2
What about being a Christian FIRST who happens to be an SDA ?
#3
Yes you are a 70 year old man who lives in Pasadena,.TX who has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING better to do than to WORK your technology ALL day on Saturday's posting more on Saturday's than ANY other day of the WEEK on as many SDA channels as possible dealing with Adventism while simultaneously mentioning ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about SPREADING/ PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
#4
NOW REPEAT THESE EXACT SAME WORDS
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
#5
Are your sins blotted out?
SIMPLE Yes......or.....no
#6
Did Jesus FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL
NOTHING ADDED
NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY ?
SIMPLE Yes.....or.....no
#7
Does one NEED TO be OBEDIENT to the LAW in order to receive
GRACE ?
SIMPLE Yes.....or.....no
#8
The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable
1st Thessalonians 5 : 16- 18
#9
Are you going to suggest that ALL Seventh day Adventists should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK ?
SIMPLE Yes......or......no
#10
Did Jesus REST on the Sabbath during his ministry on earth?
SIMPLE Yes......or......no
Chapter and verse please
#11
LDS : NEW 19th century FALSE religion ( 1830 )
SAME AS.......
SDA : NEW 19th century FALSE religion ( 1863 )
NOW REPEAT THESE EXACT SAME WORDS
ANSWER
2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
Jesus Christ set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Luke 24 : 39 - 42
PLEASE DON'T PLAGIARIZE ME WHEN I SAY GRACE
G - Gods
R - Riches
A - At
C - Christs
E - Expense
Try it, Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I !
AGAPE !
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
Can you do a video on the sspx?
Huge bump
And the sedavaticanist.
Big bump 2x yes and the sedes. And Russian Old Believers
@@silversurfer2703 They're not really a church, more a loose group of similar thinkers.
SSPX?
As a SDARM (not IMS) member, hats off to you for your research brother 😊👏 As for birthday celebrations, some of us tend to observe them but place much emphasis on how God has blessed us with the chance to live another year instead of the typical "it's all about you" approach that the average birthday normally encompasses 😊
Thanks for sharing!
Our family feels the same way about birthdays, and I think plenty of other Seventh-Day Adventists share those feelings.
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Two days ago SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT !
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
As an Evangelical Christian who is a
BORN AGAIN Christian GRAFTED into the Body of Christ upon Conversion BY FAITH ALONE in Christ for what he did on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL NOTHING ADDED NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY by his GRACE
I think it is perfectly fine to celebrate birthdays
Most importantly to celebrate the
BIRTH of Jesus Christ and to celebrate his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY.....
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
Jesus Christ set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Luke 24 : 39 - 42
ANSWER
GRACE
G - Gods
R - Riches
A - At
C - Christs
E - Expenae
Try it, Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I !
AGAPE !
As an SDA, I agree with you about B-day and other holidays like christmas and easter.
@@taylordubyna5386 Yes we do and about christmas and easter.
Yeah, I went to 8 different religions that I was seeking the truth.. I found SDA the truth and I became SDA for 34 years. I love them and I love you alll. smile
I’ve been SDA most of my life I would never ever even consider going to a different church and one of the reasons is because if the commandment remember the sabbath is good for Jesus and he keeps the sabbath and he said we remember and why is it not good enough for me
Sobia, you are on the right track don't shaken or be hesitant no matter what, spread the word with love, and let's Pray for one another JESUS IS COMING VERY SOON, watching from SAFRICA Gauteng Province in Pretoria, let's meet at the sea of glass 🙏.
As a part of reform movement, I appreciated this video.
It is my personal understanding that within Protestantism, that if some disagreed with someone, then they split and go their own way.
they arent protestant
@@slamdancer1720 Pretty sure they are.
Yep, that's their man-made tradition. 🙊
Thank you, as always your videos are packed with true facts. I like it.
Thank you, Joshua. Always informative. 🌹🌹🌹🌹
I believe it's pronounced AD-vent-ist rather than ad-VENT-IST. No?
SDA church pronounces it like I do: th-cam.com/users/AdventistOrgChurch
@@ReadyToHarvest Thanks for pointing this out. I think I need to adjust my pronounciation.
It was Conradi, in Europe, who stated, we must fight for the fatherland. 2% were ex communicated for not going to war.
Yep.
Am a proud Adventist 🙏🙏
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#1
Isn't the Bible supposed to come FIRST according to Adventism?
#2
Why aren't you a PROUD CHRISTIAN FIRST who is then an SDA ?
#3
Why are YOU not PROUD enough to SPREAD/ PREACH the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of
Jesus Christ ?
Too busy bestowing accolades to the Investigative Judgment ?
Too busy WORKING your technology ALL day on Saturday's ?
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
It's time to humble yourself. There will be NO PRIDE in heaven. We are living in the true day of Atonement. Don't end up being like one of the 5 foolish virgins.
woww what a big church building that is shown at your video opening,,where would hat be?
Thank you for another well done video :)
It would be very nice if you are doing videos' on Separate denominations that came from the SDA Church if you could do one on the The General Association of Davidian Seventh Day Adventists. They are a small denomination(as is the one you just covered), that is and has been very much hated by the SDA church. It was silenced in every way possible by the General Conference at the time. Knowledge of what they believe and their history is not known by the vast majority of people(even Adventists today). If you are doing a video on SDA reform movements or branches then the GADSDA movement should also be listed as it has a history that the SDA church wants to be forgotten and silenced.
Yes, 💯% agree
The main SDA Church definitely practices open communion. In every SDA communion service at which ai have been present (my home denomination), they always announce "the Seventh-Day Adventist Church practices open communion."
I agree, sadly, this is one abomination that I am sighing and crying over, personally I will not practice open communion with a person who is not a member, but I do present this subject tactfully, when I have opportunity, as a member of the SDA church.
@@garysouthwell5762correct , open communion is wrong
This is continuation of the above comment of Carrie, that was January 1988, so when we went home we went to join the Sdarm church,bec. it is there where we found the truth.We were not only ones who have the same experience , there are others too that when they found out the truth about r these reform practices that we should reform ,and asked the pastors or elders in the sda they reason out and even get irritated. But I still love my former sda church so as of now I attend the sda and enjoy the company of them, I share with them the truths that I recieved from the Lord through the Sdarm , the sdarm church is very far from here thats why I attend the sda but I took the opportunity to share and they are happy with me.At least they are not prejudice. What is in my mine is that whether we are in the sda or sdarm we must read and study continually and the Lord will bless us all
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
I agree whole heartedly with the reform movement. I am a Seventh day Adventist and agree with their conservative stand on all the subjects discussed in this video. Amen.
I have been doing some research on this big topic, Thanks for sharing. It hasnt been an easy topic
Glad it was helpful!
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
@@Enockbeckbrown-hf6xx thanks. I have those copies. Actually it is at the point of war and arm bearing that, another movement, the International Missionary Society was born.
There are quite a few small groups within SDA who believe the SDA church erred in rejecting the 1888 message, but righteousness by faith wasn't what was rejected. SDAs today all teach Righteousness by Faith as far as I know.
They do, but a lot of issue around the Reform Movement's stance on this was the... delay, in this acceptance. When the 1888 teaching emphasising salvation by grace was taught, the denomination swept it under the rug somewhat. Many accepted it, but many didn't. This came to a head somewhat in the 1920's and beyond, around the same time the reform movement was founded, though after this point the teaching became more and more readily accepted.
In short SDAs and SDARMs would now agree on this topic, but many adventists did not agree with the stance when the Reform movement was founded.
@@popebretticus
The real controversy of 1888 that no one talks about is the "law that was added" in Galatians. The SDA leadership rejected that message and maintains a legal-penal substitution type system to this day.
If you want to hear an alternative view more in line with Jones and Wagoner you could read "The God-shaped Heart" by Adventist psychologist Timothy Jennings. There are small groups within Adventism that understand 1888 many of whom stumble on the truth by reading EGW.
Yes, the lack of revival by understanding the 1888 message largely remains: only a few scholars pick up its uniqueness, like Jon Pauline.
Jesus is Saviour "of all men" not just those who believe: salvation is real in Jesus because "all died" in his death (2.Cor 5:15), for sinners only to come to know who they are in Christ for faith to begin. Such powerful motivation can harness God's grace to victory, amen.
@@americanswan Yes, the heart motivation is the nub of the rebirth, but this truth goes with the penal substitution Christ had to suffer for us: death to sin & self in Christ's death for us is the pivotal truth of the Bible, Ellen White, Waggoner & Jones.
Tim Jennings may not skip this or he will lose the rest of his message & the whole gospel as well: it's never just accepting a heartfelt appreciation that God is love - a mental agreement, such is not the miraculous conversion of dying to self and coming alive to Christ.
@@colinheesom what? Do you know what you're talking about? Have you read Prescott? You seem confused.
Proudly SDA, watching from SAFRICA Gauteng Province in the village of Suurman, that's 38k north of Pretoria.
Can you make a video on the Holiness movement in Christianity (Wesleyan -arminianism)?
The "funny" thing is: SDA-REF and IMS claim that the SDA church has rejected the message of 1888 while adopting the mother church's view on the Godhead. The message of 1888 was as non-trinitarian as it can get:
„While both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christ’s personality had a beginning“ (E. J. Waggoner, The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889).
Waggoner's book "Christ and his Righteousness" (Jan 1889) was based on his preaching at the GC 1888. The first 4 chapters are about Christ's relationship to God and how his birth was a literal event in eternity past.
AMEN brother. The Father is first in point of time. and Christ has a literal begetting from eternity out of the Father. praide God for the 1888 message.
Any move away from the early churches non Trinitarian belief to the current SDA and Reform’s teaching on the trinity is apostasy from the truth
I was a part of the IMSSDARM for a while, but eventually left and joined the SDA church. The only difference between the two reforms that I could see was the nature of Christ. The Reform takes the position that "Christ was tempted in all points as we are yet without sin" strictly applies to the 3 temptations. Whereas the IMSSDARM took the view that Christ had the same internal temptations as you or I, yet didn't yield to them. I take the latter view now in the SDA church, but there are many different views. Either way, I'm impressed that you even found IMSDARM, as while they have the same number of members, people rarely hear about them.
I’m sorry to hear that you left! But I hope that you found a local SDA church aligns with your principles. In my experience the name popularity of either of the two Reform Movements differs from country to country. For example, in my country the Netherlands, the IMS Reform Movement is colloquially called the Reform Movement, since the other Reform Movement has hardly any members here (and they are colloquially called the ‘51-movement’).
@@jonathanrekker yea, they are called the 51 here too, but they don't like the name apparently!
Thanks Joshua! As always very interesting.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
You are doing valuable work!
Thanks for sharing your research! One important end time teaching for the SDA church is something termed the "shaking". I don't know if this is in any of your lectures.
I wouldn't say abstaining from unclean foods is a requirement as an SDA. It's highly encouraged, but I don't know of anyone losing membership over dietary habits.
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Three days ago SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT !
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
Jesus Christ set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Luke 24 : 39 - 42
@ Trekfan04 how would the members know what is cooking in my pot ?
Jus saying, if I ate something contrary to the dietary law/s, how could another member know ? ... would I go and tell anyone in the congregation, Hey, I ate "xyz" ?
Hello! Where are you from? Are you a SDA Reform Movement member? If yes, in USA or Australia?
Wait, so sdarm has an average of fewer than fourteen members per church?
Franz Hasel and Desmond Doss were two of Adventistism’s two best known conscientious objectors. Franz Hasel was in the German army, he was able to keep the sabbath through out and carried a wooden gun! His story was told in the great book “A Thousand Will Fall.”
Desmond Doss’ story was told in the much touted Mel Gibson movie The Hero of Hacksaw Ridge where Desmond went on to win the congressional Medal of Honor for saving over seventy five men during the Battle of Okinawa.
Is it just me or does the Reform movement sound exactly like the Shepherd Rod? I think it might be the same, if not, it sounds very similar
No, the Shepered Rod groups (sometimes called the Davidians) have additional teachings. I said groups because there are at least 8 different teachings that I am aware of. No clear leadership. They have added another prophet, Victor Houteff. Many other teachings that differ from SDAs. But they remain within the membership of the SDA church. Some are violent, encouraging to prepare and use weapons to kill "unfaithful SDAs" before Christ coming. See the Waco massacre for more infos.
No, they're not the same. I'm part of the SDARM (not IMS) 😊
It seems to Reform Movement is more in line with what the pioneers taught.
And it seems that the SDA church is more mainstream.
Sad.
More in line maybe but not totally in line. The church of our Pioneers didn’t worship a God who is one in three persons. They all worshiped the one true God, the Father, and His only begotten Son!
@@user-cg6vw5px7enone sense, one in 3 persons, that’s catholic my friend. Each one in the God head have their particular responsibility in the plan of redemption. One in mind.
I am a bit confused after watching this video. In the early part of the video, you mentioned the Germany SDA that allowed non-combat military service. Then why after they form the SDA Reformed Movement, they impose strict opposition to even non-combat military service?
German SDA permitted military service which is why those who held the traditional SDA position of noncombatance broke away from them to form the SDA Reform Movement.
@@ReadyToHarvest thank you. Now it is clear.
@@ReadyToHarvest by didn't the church stick to their original non combatance stand.
@@violetcrumble57I think they were worried about being persecuted by the Nazis (conflated with Jews because of Sabbath & no pork). It is to their shame that they cowered before an earthly power rather than stood strong with God, but I can't judge, having never gone through something like that.
@@marktatum7075 Let's be honest, we venerate and recognise those who died for their faith as martyrs b/c not many people truly have the courage to do it. The vast majority of people have a very strong preference for being alive and wrong vs right and dead. If amending a teaching on military service with some weasel words about non-combantancy is sufficient to get a tyrannical govt to bugger off and leave them alone they will do it. That don't make it right but it makes it understandable I suppose.
I don't know English language please tell me translate to garo please sir help me
Again thanks for the research and video.
I just bumped on this ministry which I've never known was existed. I'd like to know more about you. But one thing already is troubling me! If you separate yourself from the denomination known from almost everyone(especially Adventist people), why are you functioning under the same logo with flames and an upside down esoteric devilish cross, considered rather closer to other world organizations, that's for a lot of us unfit for our three angels message? Isn't that confusing?
I am always amazed of the similarities between SDA (either of the three I suppose) and the JW.
Oh absolutely. Millerites in a nutshell. But at least SDA is pretty chill and harmless, JWs are assholes
I mean both have roots in the Miller movement.
They are very different. I am astonished that you think that.
The main similarity is the belief that the dead are asleep and that the wicked are annihilated. Jehovah's Witnesses are actually an offshoot from Sunday keeping Adventists, with whom Charles Russell was briefly affiliated.
They both believe JESUS is michael the archangel you will not find a verse in the bible that says that
Can you talk about Jeovah Witness because I feel like half of the information your talking about have similarities with Jeovah Witness I'm one of JW and I want to learn and see similarities with Seventh Day Adventist?☺️❤️
The main similarity I am aware of is that SDAs and JWs both believe the dead are asleep and that the unrepentant are annihilated instead of being tormented forever. SDAs are trinitarians who believe that salvation is by grace alone. They believe in a visible return of Christ and that Christ is fully God and fully man.
The SDARM believe as JW on no celebrating Christmas, birthdays etc and also they don't vote as JW don't vote in an election. Also SDARM do not agree on shunning an ex member and they are not afraid of reading books or articles written by other denominations.
Well said! I have been a member of the Reform Movement for most of my life. Have agitated the subject of possible unity between Reform groups and Concerned Brethren of the Seventh-day Adventist church over the past 20 or so years with no real solid answers or interest in my concerns. I have researched the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy on the subject of Separation and Unity and my research has convicted me that God's people are to stay with the main SDA church where certain apostasies are to be expected but that there will always be a faithful core who would sigh and cry for the problems and yet work for the salvation of souls both in and out of the church, uplifting God's standards within and waiting patiently for God to finish His work within HIs church will be purified (separation between Sunday keeping SDA's who give up the Sabbath and faithful Sabbath keepers) and form the Small Triumphant Remnant Church.
Brother, are you from ims sdarm or sdarm?
@@Mario-ve7lr Sda reform movement, not IMS
@@garysouthwell5762 so now you are a member of sda arent you?
@@Mario-ve7lr Yes, As my 2nd reply brings out!
Why did you transfer? It must be something else…
Of all the 7th Day Adventist Churches that I visited - one I attended quite regularly for about a year to two years. I was convinced about Sabbath Day - Saturday Worship - at that time. As far as the Dietary Laws of the Old Testament they interpret that as complete vegetarianism. Sorry, I like a good lean beef burger. I can understand that there must have been a "Plant Based Diet" in the Garden of Eden, but the Jews ate meat, chicken and fish, no pork or certain other mammals & birds and restricted fish. There are indications that on average the 7th Day Adventist in America are one of the healthiest citizens in the country. I found the veneration of Ellen White was an overkill that prompted me to return to a Sunday Based Worship Day.
As for their strict adherence to Biblical Study & Truth it is really "Spot On" and I do believe that Saturday is the Biblically True Day for Worship, I find it very hard to become a Vegetarian. Maybe that is something to consider or at least limiting animal in one's diet. Too much Ellen White.
Covid certainly put a damper on attending any services. I visited many different churches for I believe in "The Body of Christ". There was one 7th Day Congregation that I considered going back just to attend Worship. Very Welcoming. Should return and attend. Better than no church. Quite a drive. Don't attend anything locally as for a Sunday Worship Church. I think the "End Times are near. At least for me. Sabbath is Saturday.
As for Ready to Harvest, these are some of the best analyses of Christianity and its divisions. Extremely In-depth. Thanks. God Bless in Jesus' Name. Amen.
You just have to take EGW with a grain of salt because some adventists are very IN TO HER and some are not in it just depends on what church you go to. I was raised to SDA and I didn't even know who EGW was till I was in my teens that's how little she was emphasized in the church I grew up in. The official teaching of the church and most of it is I know is when in doubt go with The Bible. If EGW causes you confusion then just go with The Bible she is only there to help and guide but she does not supercede The Bible.
Vegetarism is encouraged but not required with SDAs. Its a practice in discipline...but not required for membership. My aunts who were amongst the first Adventists in my family ate meat for over 20 or 30yrs after joining the church. It's only now in their 70s they have become vegetarians and my grandmother never made that switch and they were all leaders and highly respected in our local church!
Now on the other hand we did have some vegetarians at our church and one of our members live to be a 107 years old actually she died 1 week before she turned a 107 and she was a vegetarian. I have another aunt who is not an adventist but has an adventist like diet... and she's 96yrs old and still healthy and in her right mind.
Check this out.
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@@Keonny77 Thanks for your reply. Although the SDA Church that I attended is not close, I have to get going on Saturday Worship Focus. One becomes so programmed by Sunday Worship. The entire Protestant Society - few exceptions - and Western Society - America are conditioned into Roman Sunday. In fact I still have my last copy of "Rome's Challenge", but I lost/recycled my notes on the book "Sabbath to Sunday". I almost bought a few some years ago to give to my Catholic Family and Christian Community, but I've been disowned/distant for quite some time. Anyways, sometimes I do not "Fret" with Saturday verses Sunday, but God did command His chosen people to have their day of "Rest" to Worship the Creator on the 7th Day. Jesus, His Disciples and the early Believers of "The Way" would attend - including Gentile converts - Saturday Worship which begins on Friday Night. Afterwards, the followers of Jesus would gather Saturday Night for the "Feed Bag" and have their 'Guest Speakers' and/or read Letters and Scriptures in many situations well into Sunday. Well, thank you for generating some "Fellowship" on the Net. God Bless. Amen.
Heh! I used to get some flak from some older folk about wanting to attend Saturday nights at my old Roman Catholic Church when I was young.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 Around the time they went from Latin to English & turned the Altar towards the Attendees.
Surely, Brother, you're an Seventh Day Adventist at heart...!!!
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
Lol the opening photo is my home church in Hamburg PA. But it's not a reformed one ( I know you just used it for a photo).
10 months ago??
And how about the Trinity doctrine? Was Ellen G White a trinitarian?
Thanks for this interesting deep dive into SDA splitter groups. I think the SDARM is only one of more than 25...30 groups that have split over time from the SDA. In most cases they are more strict to some aspects of the bible and neglect others on the other hand. I grew up in an SDA family in Germany. The positions might vary slightly from Country to Country and even region. All together the tolerance level is higher in north Germany than in the south but its higher alltogether than in african countries i guess. The actual head of the SDA general conference (Ted Wilson) is quite conservative and wants to reunite as many believers as possible to more strict views. For my part i am much more liberal in many positions including the so called special teachings of the SDA...
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
There’s a book called ‘And A Thousand Shall Fall’ about a German SDA who served in the military during WW2. A very interesting book.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
The Reformed SDA in California STILL RUN w/the 7th day Sabbath established in Gen'.1 & 2....NOW in Gen'.2: there is NO (evening & morning); Terminology to mark the 7th Day Creation (24 hr', period); like in Gen'.1:...Also in Genesis 2,: there is NO (evening to evening) 4th Commandment Terminology to define when the the Sabbath Day time begins & ends; like in Lev'.23:32.
My dad is not/never a SDARM but he never liked birthday celebrations and such
Is there any church that does not think that it is the only correct one and does not impose its own rules but only interprets the Bible?
So, only the community that talks about God without any conditions and emphasizing that they are special?
I would really like to be a member of such a church because it will be difficult to survive alone, and joining a church with which you do not completely agree makes no sense to me.🤷🏻♀️
This!!❤
What is your position on God's Feasts?
Hey Joshua. I wanted to get your opinion. This is a little off topic of this particular video but has to do with the overarching premise of your channel.
One of the common complaints from those skeptical of Christianity is the argument from religious/biblical confusion. In a nutshell, the argument would be that the Bible cannot be a revelation from an all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving God because there is so much disagreement among Christians. This would not be expected if Christianity was true but is not surprising if something like naturalistic atheism is true. If the Christian God exists, surely he would not allow so much confusion about his message.
I figured that very few people would know more about the differences between Christian denominations than you, but one of the things I notice from watching your videos is that Christians share more commonalities than differences especially on issues that most Christians would regard necessary for having a saving faith. That is to say there's one God, this God is triune, this God is the Creator of us all, that our relationship with God has been damaged due to the entrance of sin in this world, that God sent His Son to die for our sins, and that he physically raised him from the dead. And if we trust in Christ we will be saved from sin and have eternal life, and that Jesus will eventually return to raise the dead in Christ to himself.
While I'm not Reformed, I personally think the Westminster Confession of Faith (1.7) hits the nail on the head when it says "The meanings of all the passages in the Bible are not equally obvious, nor is any individual passage equally clear to everyone. However, everything which we have to know, believe, and observe in order to be saved is so clearly presented and revealed somewhere in the Bible that the uneducated as well as the educated can sufficiently understand it by the proper use of the ordinary means of grace."
My question is this: In studying the different denominations and all of their many differences, has your confidence decreased in God's ability to communicate with mankind his saving message or has it increased?
The confusion is because of protestant sola scriptura. The reformation which really was fuelled by innovations in printing of bibles put interpretation of scripture away from the magisterium of the western church into the hands of local authority. this has really devolved into individual believers in the modern world having the authority to interpret as they wish.
thankfully the ancient church councils established a consensus regarding the trinity and divinity of jesus in the West.
if an athiest presses you on the state of modern christianity tell them Christ gave us one church not a canon of sacred scripture. and that one church still exists to this day guided by the holy spirit with a supreme teaching authority in succession to Peter the apostle
Good question. Researching denominations has not led me to view Christianity as less credible. I don't see how it follows like some claim.
Just because God is able to by his omnipotence suppress the "free speech" of humanity to promote corrupted versions of the truth does not mean he will. So even if God just wants people to be free to believe what they want and say what they want is an answer to why his omnipotence is compatible with the mixed messages found in denominations.
The Bible itself claims that there will be false prophets and opposing opinions prevalent, so it seems compatible with what we see. Also, divine hiddenness can provide additional arguments for why God may have an interest in allowing people to promote many versions of Christianity.
@@ReadyToHarvest awesome. Thanks for the answer.
Great Comment. The more "Modern" Christianity becomes it seems too diverse from Ephesians 4: 3-7: "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." (vv. 5-7). Still have amongst other reference books: The Westminster Standards". Thanks. God Bless. In Jesus' Name. Amen.
It’s all wrapped up in, A new commandment I give you, that you love one another, just as I have loved you, you must also love one another. Jesus knew exactly all the denominations that would arise and gave us the key to unity. This command is different than love your enemies and those outside the faith.
Good job. Please do the research and a video on another SDA breakaway called the Shepherds Rod . These peaple are potentially dangerous.
Wouldn't be the only one. David Koresh led a 7DA splinter sect.
Here is a in-depth study on the subject and please check out the other biblical based series @ Secrets Unsealed. th-cam.com/play/PLIWJyuxBfZ7jK9uF6U4hXZfpEaiW_t8WA.html
Nothing dangerous about the Shepherd's Rod. Of course that is assuming your talking about the original/true Davidians that follow Victor T Houteff's teachings. If you are referring to the Branch Davidians, then continue on as you were.
@@fnjesusfreak For a bit more context, Vernon Howell(David Koresh) usurped authority over the already existent branch Davidian group founded by Benjamin Roden in 1955. The Branch Davidians themselves are a radical splinter group broken off of the General Association of Davidian Seventh Day Adventists after Victor T Houteff's death. Roden taught contrary to the teachings of Houteff and made many new and erroneous doctrines. Then Roden died and his wife Lois Roden took charge even more erroneous doctrine. After her was supposed to be George Roden but Koresh challenged the claim and usurped Authority of the Branch Davidians and taught even more crazy doctrine. Just explaining for those who didn't know the history.
@@christianspathministry5541 I've heard the actual name of Koresh's group was the "Davidian Branch Davidian" 7DA.
here's a good idea from an episode.... Sabbatarian movements in early US history, you could focus on the seventh day baptist movement. it's amazing how many of the early protestant movements began as Sabbath keepers.
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
Lord have mercy!!! This makes my head spin. Their first problem comes with adding the teachings of Ellen White. It spirals downhill from there.
I've attended several 7th Day Churches for I keep returning to Sabbath Saturday Worship. Struggle with the over teaching of Vegetarianism, although I could be healthier. I stopped attending because of Covid and usually leave over too much Ellen White Veneration. Thanks.
You can the Catholic church to that headspinning added teachings list too.
@YAJUN YUAN Thank you. I have received some responses like yours. Thank you in Jesus' Name. Amen.
Christ Jesus our Lord rose before the end of the sabbath because he died in the midst of the week as written in Daniel 9:27 and was in the sepulchre before 7pm wednesday. In John 19 and John 20, we see that the disciples went there in the end of the sabbath. Christ also met them in the first night of the week as read in the book of Matthew, which is from saturday at sundown to before sunrise on sunday. Ezekiel 8:16 clearly shows the sinners having their Easter sunrise service by worshipping the sun towards the east.
@@1newearth I don't know about time specifics. Thanks.
I'm now a member of the Main SDA church. The message is Simple. Keep God's commandments through the power of Jesus in the Heart, ready for His second coming! The Church giving this message in its broadest and simplest terms is still the SDA church!
But how can you improve your faith among of those meat eater?
@@Mario-ve7lr Depend on God, not man, and witness by example. His faithful few amongst unfaithful majority will live up to every ray of light, which includes highest standards of healthy living, not just giving up meat. There are many unhealthy vegetarians.
@@garysouthwell5762 well, i have the same thought like you bro, i think God never wanted us to come out from Sda, the point is as long as we keep the commandment of God and trust the testimony of Jesus, we will unite together among the faithfull one.
Be aware that keeping the commandments will not save you. Only Jesus' imputed righteousness will save you, and commandment keeping is the loving fruit of faith in Jesus' grace.
@@walterhelm8186 Brother beware of the False New theology stressing Imputed righteousness over imparted righteousness. Faith without works of obedience is worthless, but true obedience come from a converted heart that relies on Jesus power and conviction working from within to bring about joyful commandment keeping and this is called imparted righteousness or sanctification leading to perfection in Jesus.
Heh, interesting... it seems most "reform" movements in Christian denominations trend towards being more liberal. This certainly isn't the case here!
The split was in 1951, not 1948.
It actually started in 1948
@@samsonmadisha8956 it was in 1951 at the GC
Ok. Who here can tell me exactly what the 1888 message was and was not?
@YAJUN YUAN en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1888_Minneapolis_General_Conference
I think this shows the 1888 sermons are not well known and not just Righteousness by Faith.
The 3rd angels message is righteousness by faith in verity. Christ righteousness inputted and impacted into those that believe in Jesus. It is putting on the robes of Christ righteousness by faith. It is in essence victory over sin in this world through faith in Christ Jesus.
and having the faith OF Jesus Christ
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please.
the reform movement seems to be less crazy than the original "church"
After visiting both denominations in the past SDARM and IMSSDARM I found that the reason they are so small compare to the SDA church is their lack of organizational skills. A lot of things are pushy and chaotic. As the SDA church is very well organized. On words the reform movements are big, super big. On practice ... Not so big... After losing my time I found that they offer no alternative...
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
@@Enockbeckbrown-hf6xx I totally agree. Even though in this times it was very hard. So the true Adventist didn't fought. Those people were heroes and they mostly died in prisons. The once that survived the second world war joined the church again. And very small minority after that registered another organization the reform movement that claimed they are the heroes ... Only in time of war it will be possible to observe if this is true or not... Because the real heroes actually died, and from the rest not even third join the reform movement church, when it was created as a separate denomination... And I support the idea that this denomination shouldn't exist.
The NKJV seems to be the most popular translation among regular SDAs. The NLT and NIV are also used. Haven’t seen much NASB or ESV, and I was in the church for about 16 years.
@@ClayOfTheMaster I personally like the ESV and NASB more because they are more literal.
I know some, probably the more conservative, like to stick to the KJV. I personally use a NKJV, but I like the KJV and know that there are reasons for why they stick to the KJV.
The KJV is actually the most popular form of bible translation used. Ellen G White used it a lot as well.
I prefer the NET, NIV, and NKJV but the SDAs use the KJV and NKJV most .
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#1
Fine WHERE in the KJV Bible 1611 or in the Hebrew, Aramaic or GREEK of the text do Angels have
GOLDEN PLATES GOLDEN CARDS just because Ellen G White and her contemporary Joseph Smith said so
( Chapter and verse please )
If you all don't mind
Thank you in advance
#2
LDS : Joseph Smith said Angels have GOLDEN PLATES
SAME AS.........
SDA : Ellen G White said Angels have GOLDEN CARDS
( Early writings 39 : 2 )
#3
AGAIN............
Ask a Seventh day Adventist
Using the Bible ONLY
Using the Bible FIRST
As Adventists claim to do
WHERE in the KJV Bible 1611, or in the Hebrew, Aramaic or GREEK of the text do Angels have
GOLDEN PLATES GOLDEN CARDS just because Ellen G White and her contemporary Joseph Smith said so
( Chapter and verse please )
If you all don't mind
Thank you in advance
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
0:21 that smirk, hilariously appropriate
It's admirable to encourage vegetarianism, but it's impractical and unhealthy in some cases.
I think that's why the "main" Seventh Day Adventist church advocates for pursuit of good health, but does not mandate vegetarianism as the only path to that. A much more reasonable stance, in my opinion. Our bodies are a temple, and we should keep them healthy... but the pursuit of that health is not always black and white. Vegetarianism can be immensely beneficial to some, but terrible for others. Furthermore, vegetarianism doesn't automatically equate to health. Chocolate is vegetarian!! At the end of the day, the core of the "health message" is the pursuit of good health.
The reform movement misses the point entirely, in my opinion, by mandating only one path to good health, sometimes to the detriment of their members.
@@popebretticus Yes. I would say vegetarianism is always best but missionaries and members often are in places that don't allow it.
And since Christ ate meat, offered fish to the apostles after his resurrection, and Peter was commanded to kill and eat animals, and Paul only discouraged meat sacrified to idols because of "the weaker brethren," there are also no New Testament grounds for it.
@YAJUN YUAN God wants you to take your meds.
St. Paul wrote "One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him." in Romans 14.
We don't have to make assumptions about a vegetarian doctrine; St. Paul, by God, told us what to think about it.
Merci pour le message et que Dieu vous bénisse
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
I also have a lot of frustration with the "Godhead" in Mormonism. The funny thing is that in Spanish, the church just calls it "La Trinidad", so as the person said, it's not that Mormonism is opposed to the Trinity, it just doesn't like the term. I am of the opinion that Mormonism, like Adventism, is in fact trinitarian, but the churches disliked the Catholic tradition so much that they started using the term "Godhead" as a protest...but when you get down to the nuts and bolts, there's nothing canonical in Adventism or Mormonism that is incongruent with the Orthodox-Catholic description of the "mystery" of the Trinity.
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The Trinty is explained in the EXACT SAME WAY as the GODHEAD
1st Corinthians 12 : 4 - 6
The Holy Spirit is the SAME GOD
Jesus is the SAME GOD
The father is the SAME GOD
#2
There is ONE GOD
#3
There are three distinct persons in the Holy Trinity ( GODHEAD ) but the
SAME ONE GOD
#4
Trinty/ GODHEAD are BOTH still explain that there is ONE GOD and they are the SAME
And the problem with seventh day sabbath, and Torah dietary laws? I know the SDA has its problem
EGW saw in vision a great reformatory movement if you are a Seventh Day Adventist you either believe or not the statement is there ch580 pg 1and2
"Although there are evils existing in the church , and will be until the end of the world, the church in these last days is to be the light of the world that is polluted and demoralized by sin. The church enfeebled and defective , needing to be reproved , warned , and counseled , is the only object upon earth upon which Christ bestows His supreme regard . Testimonies to Minister # 49
As a member of a reform group in the West Indies (not called reform in our name though) our stance on the Godhead is this. God is triune and though each part is fully God, there would be no God without the 3. We can never truly begin to understand a truly eternal being but I think he left clues in his creation. Mankind is body(form), spirit(breath/life force), and soul(consciousness). God is infinite power(father), infinite wisdom(son), and infinite love(spirit).
If you have power but no wisdom how would you use it? If you have love but no power or wisdom can you work in righteousness? Just like how humans need body, soul, and spirit to be fully effective then God has to have all three to be fully effective. One human, one God. But we are finite and we cannot grasp the realms of the infinite like what happened in the incarnation. However I believe this to be a stable explanation of who and what God is. Blessings to you all.
I can’t get over the SDA Church using an upside down cross on their official emblem. It only takes a few seconds of looking at it before you notice it too 🤦🏻♂️
Trolling practice?
What are you talking about?
@@americanswan Those who were gifted eyes that see and ears that hear by The Father in heaven see it immediately. It’s clear as day, the top of the cross is touching the spine of the book, the long section is up high. You see those three wavy lines too? That’s the Druid pagan symbol for the number 6, you’ve got an upside down cross and a 666 all on the same logo.
You can literally test Ellen White against the Bible and show she’s a false prophetess on numerous occasions too. It should be extremely obvious by just what they teach alone with prophecy and how 90% of it is just plain wrong. The SDA Church belongs to Rome, it’s their favorite controlled opposition for anyone that realizes the Pope is the Antichrist. If they can’t fool a person away from that truth they’ll try and sort their lot into the SDA Church and damn them to hell with a false spirit that’s not of GOD. Paul said if you take another spirit you might well bear with it and also made it clear that a different gospel can’t save you. You don’t believe in eternal security in the SDA Church and you’re working your way to heaven with the false laws of Ellen White.
I’m not trolling you, I’m trying to help you avoid the fires of hell because 99% of the people I’ve met in the SDA Church are not saved according to the Bible. I very rarely meet one who trusts on Jesus and denounces Ellen’s teachings and those people always say the same thing, they just want to go to Church on Sabbath and don’t have another Church in their area who offers that. Those people are my brothers and sisters. The rest of the SDA Church is unfortunately working their way straight to a Matthew 7:21-23 conclusion and it’s extremely sad.
I want you to be saved if you’re not already trusting on Christ alone and denying the false teachings of the plagiarist witch Ellen White. You should really study her past more, you’d know she had a lot of false prophecies in her lifetime if you did. You’d know her Spirit of Prophecy book got edited 6 different times by the SDA Church too. The original was still a demonic book but they’ve now removed all the things she said that were obviously wrong and left many things that are still wrong but less obvious if you’re already under her spell.
I’ll pray for you! GOD Bless! ❤️
@YAJUN YUAN ^ Read this.
I know everything that the SDA Church believes, your Church however doesn’t trust the Bible, that’s a common lie that I hear often. You do however trust a false interpretation of it made by a witch named Ellen White.
Miller himself said he was completely wrong too, and I agree. Miller even got the year of Jesus’s death and the year of the decree going out off by a year too. It was in fall 458 BCE that the decree went out and Jesus died in 30 AD. The Jewish Calendar even confirms that this is the only possible year for his death besides 27 AD or 37AD where Jesus would have died on a Wednesday like the story clearly shows us he did. Those other two years are notably wrong and we know Paul was already an apostle by early 34 AD too.
Jesus got interred in the grave at sundown when Nisan 15th was beginning without his burial procedures finished which would be a Thursday in Jewish terms. He spent Thursday, Friday, and Saturday in the tomb and Jesus rose to life after evening fell on Sabbath which Jews consider the start of Sunday. By Jewish law of that era the entire time period from Nisan 15 to the next true Sabbath is a rest period and a Sabbath in itself. Jesus rested all three nights and days of that Sabbath and then rose to life immediately after the Sabbath period ended. Mary Magdalene and the other women were on their way back Sunday morning before the sun rose because it was the first day where they could legally go finish Jesus’s burial procedure.
Before you say it, I am aware that Jesus spoke of his death and resurrection in two different terms. Sometimes he said three days and nights in the tomb of the Earth(completed) and other times he said on the third day he’d raise his body to life(incomplete). Jesus was telling us when he was coming back for us(his body on Earth). The Bible is full of two day and third day parables and they’re all related to the Messiah’s return. At some point after two days(2000 years) it’s his solemn promise to come retrieve us and start a paradise. Learn that Ellen White only told lies please, put your faith in Christ alone! I’ll pray for you now!
GOD Bless! ❤️
That logo is fairly recent. The original logo was Three Angels. Many conservative Adventists reject the new logo. This is actually a minor area of contention within the Adventist Church at this time. Realize of course that the Jesuits are active in all denominations. And especially seem to attack outliers like the seventh Day Adventist Church. We've actually found high ranking Adventists where Jesuits after their death. Given that adventism is one of the few churches that still calls the papal system Antichrist. This is problematic.
It is not upside down.
I am wondering what is the SDARM doing in Ukraine now? , are they getting a free ride for the freedom of their country?
I have to admire their convictions - even if they Are completely wrong.
Good stuff, but I'm sure you've heard by now that all card-carrying Adventists pronounce the name with emphasis on the first syllable. You jump between the first and second and it sounds rather jarring.
The biggest sda channel on youtube, Bible Flock Box, and the SDA church's channel itself both use the pronunciation I do in this video. it is mostly Americans who don't realize that a large number of adventists pronounce it the other way.
Went to an SDA boarding school in the 1980s and they only served vegetarian dishes with eggs and dairy allowed, I used to love the gluten steaks when they were cooked just right, most SDAs reframed from eating any meat as a rule, but some will eat clean meat dishes if invited to someone else's home.
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Three days ago SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT !
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
Jesus Christ set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Luke 24 : 39 - 42
Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is a so-called god/not deity. Jehovah's Witnesses believe the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, Jehovah, is the only true God/deity.
Proud to be SDARM.
I grew up Seventh day Adventist. His analysis of SDA and SDARAM is on point. I am currently a revert to JUDAISM
That's a huge setback, Judaism is not in prophecy for the last day. We can discuss if you wish.
This is exactly why I don't like the SDA. It sounds like a gateway for leaving Christ's New Testament by embracing the Old laws as superior. Sounds exactly like the judiasers, the same anti-Christ mentors who were a plague to Peter, Paul and other aspostles. Christians should focus on Christ. Shifting that focus to anything else - whether it's traditions of men for Catholics and Orthodox, or the worldly pleasures for progressive Christians and liberal protestants. It always leads people astray.
Would you be meaning Messianic Judaism?
In order for you to know the Seventh day Adventist position of non-combattancy, I would recommend the books SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS IN TIMES OF WAR and ELLEN G. WHITE-A WOMAN OF VISION published by the Seventh-day Adventist Church and both downloadable in pdf form. No Seventh-day Adventist is supposed to bear any arm please. The 1864 positision is still intact!
The following is Scriptural proof who Jesus really is and that He is much more than just the Son of God.
Paul said in Galatians 1:12 that he was not taught by any man but was taught by Jesus himself which means whatever Paul said was what Jesus told him to say. Paul said in 1 Timothy 3:16,"AND WITHOUT CONTROVERSY GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS, GOD was manifest in the FLESH (Jesus), justified in the SPIRIT, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory."
Paul said in 2 Corinthians 3:17,"Now the LORD IS THAT SPIRIT, and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty." Jesus is speaking in Revelation 2:7,"He that has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says to the churches...." And Paul said in Ephesians 4:4, "For there is one body, ONE SPIRIT....verse 5 ONE LORD, ONE Faith and ONE BAPTISM."
Paul said in Colossians 2:8-10,"Beware lest any man fool you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 FOR IN HIM DWELLS ALL THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY." Jesus is not just part of the Godhead - Jesus IS the Godhead.
Paul said in Hebrews 1:8, "But unto the SON he said, Thy throne O GOD is forever and ever...." Jesus said in Revelation 21:6-7,"And he said unto me (John) it is done, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I (Jesus) will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of life freely. 7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his GOD, and he shall be my SON."
Paul said in Titus 2:13, "Looking for that blessed hope, and glorious appearance of the great GOD and our SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST."
Acts 7:59, "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying LORD JESUS, receive my spirit."
1 John 5:20,"And we know that the SON of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his SON Jesus Christ, THIS IS THE TRUE GOD, AND ETERNAL LIFE."
Isaiah 9:6,"For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son (Jesus) is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, ..." Jesus said in Revelation 1:8, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, which was, and is to come, THE ALMIGHTY." Jesus said in Revelation 2:7, "He that has an ear, let him hear what the SPIRIT says unto the Churches....."
Jesus said in Mark 16:16, "He that believes and is BAPTIZED shall be Saved, but he that believes not shall be damned." Jesus addressed what damned means in Luke 16:19-31, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 25:41, Mark 9:45-46, Revelation 20:15, and Revelation 21:8.
Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, "Go therefore and teach all nations BAPTIZING them in the name (SINGULAR name and not names) OF the Father, and OF the Son, and OF the Holy Ghost." Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles and not names. Every time Jesus disciples baptized anyone in water they invoked Jesus Name at baptism which is Acts 2:38, Acts 8:14, Acts 8:38, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33, Acts 18:7, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:3-5, and Acts 22:16. Peter said in Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men whereby we must be SAVED."
Some say the thief on the cross next to Jesus was not Baptized yet Jesus told him he would be with him that day in Paradise. Jesus had not yet given the COMMANDMENT to be Baptized in His Name until after he rose from the dead and just before he ascended into heaven. The thief or anyone else could not have been Baptized in His Name because they did not know about it. There is no t one scripture that says a person receives the Holy Ghost just because they are a believer. Acts 19:1-5 is a good example.
If you are convinced you need to get Baptized in water in Jesus Name and get Baptized with the Holy Ghost - which is addressed in Mark 16:17 (Jesus speaking): Acts 2:4 (Pentecost), Acts 8:17, Acts 9:18, Acts 10:44-48, and Acts 19:3-5. Do a search, type in "United Pentecostal Church International", slightly scroll down to just below the red box, and type in your zip code. Then a screen will show a Church nearest you that will do that.
If you do the above you will be making SURE your name is written in the Lamb's Book Of Life.
Jesus said in John 10:27,"My Sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."
Why did they have to disfelliwship the 2% who didn't want to partake in the war? Surely if it was against their conscience you could let it go. Afterall it doesnt say in the bible that you "have to go to war"so not violating any God given command.
Yet another example of how a religion proof texts and contorts the bible to its way of thinking. It happens in nearly all christian denominations. They can't all be correct. Which one is?
They can be correct on the primary elements of Christianity, the rest is secondary.. if a denomination claims to be Christian but rejects primary elements of Christianity like salvation being in christ alone,Bible being the word of God, trinity then its considered a cult
protestant but i've come to the conclusion the catholics and orthodox are right. after all it was they who decided what is the canon of sacred scripture.
@@joshvarges9230 wrong conclusion you have to revise your research or source of information
@@josephdoctor6423 what has been considered canon was really fixed quite recently. Catholic church has definitely through councils helped determine what should be included.
For traditional christians the sacred scriptures dont take the centrepiece in what they consider worship. Even though traditions and rites must stick by it
Do you think it is possible that the Lord has permitted the multiplicity of denominations for the purpose of convincing some people that true Christianity is personal - not institutional?
Both of my parents were Seventh-day Adventists when I was born in 1944. When I was a child, I got the impression that my parents’ religion was quite a different thing than their denominational affiliation, i.e. that their religion was faith in the Lord and his written word - not faith in a modern prophet and not faith in a religious organization or its officers. That was my impression about my parents when they died in the 1980s and it is still my impression about them today.
Much of the argument/conflict about religious beliefs and practices could be minimized if people would consider the groups of people who created the various denominations as having been called by the Lord to emphasize various aspects of the truth about who he is and how he deals with the terrible emergency of sin.
John Wycliffe in the fifteenth century and Martin Luther in the sixteenth century doubted that laity needed clergy to interpret the Bible for them. Both Wycliffe and Luther doubted that the ceremonies of the mass turned the bread and wine of the Lord’s supper into the body and blood of Jesus. Both Wycliffe and Luther doubted that people go directly to heaven, purgatory or hell when they die. Wycliffe described the condition of the dead as “an unconscious sleep between death and resurrection”. Luther taught that death in Jesus “is a fine, sweet, and brief sleep”.
Luther doubted that the mediation of priests on Earth is necessary for sinners to obtain the forgiveness of God.
John Calvin doubted that someone’s salvation depended on the decisions of priests or bishops on Earth.
Anabaptists in England doubted that the baptism of infants was valid. Baptists doubted that sprinkling or pouring should be considered baptism.
In the seventeenth century, English puritans doubted that the ceremonies of the Church of England were entirely biblical and urged that anything not biblical be discarded in favor of “biblical” worship services. English separatists were similar to the puritans but with more radical doubts. I doubt that the seventeenth century puritans’ doctrines and practices were entirely biblical - especially the practice of consigning “heretics” to whippings, pillories, stocks or banishment - but I think the puritans did take some steps in the direction of biblicism.
In the seventeenth century, it seemed to John Wesley that most of his fellow Anglicans and even most of his fellow seminarians were satisfied with a religion that seemed to him to consist almost entirely of rituals. Wesley doubted that a mere change in STATUS before God (even if it were genuine) should be considered the only important aspect of salvation so he encouraged his friends to seek a “second blessing” - sanctification / transformation. That doctrine combined with his interest in taking the gospel to the poor in England generated enough opposition that he found himself without an assignment to a specific congregation. Whereupon he declared, “The world is my parish” and he began preaching in open fields or wherever else people were willing to listen to his appeals to seek holiness.
This view allows us to admire the various reformers without idolizing them. We can decide for ourselves not only about which doctrines were “right” or biblical without the need to adopt all of the beliefs and practices of any one of the reformers or all of the beliefs and practices of any one group.
If the Lord hasn’t called someone (yet?) to emphasize one or more specific doctrines or practices, I suggest praying that he will do so. If or when such a person is under conviction to emphasize something helpful - some specific way or ways to encourage friends, neighbors and family members to trust the Lord - that person can then look for an organization with a similar emphasis.
While I heartily recommend such a plan, I recognize the problem of most groups sooner or later becoming dogmatic about lists of doctrines - which then makes it difficult for people whose religion is personal. When I requested full voting membership in the SdA organization in 1959, I didn’t consider it to be hierarchical, creedal or dogmatic.
For a while, I could consider dogmatic adventists to be simply uninformed about the origins and nature of the advent movement and the exception rather than the rule. I would be able to “live with” a variety of beliefs and practices IF they weren’t promoted as adventist dogma but it seems to me that it is getting harder and harder to find SdA who aren’t dogmatic. Including me, perhaps, because of my dogmatic opposition to dogmatism.
Ellen White was in favor of the slavery, what are you talking about
No she wasn't. She said that both North and South were guilty in the promotion of Slavery and that both would suffer heavy losses, and they did, about half million on each side.
@Mark S what are you talking about. She was opposed of Lincoln and the North and have stated that Slavery will exist until the end of time. And that these (referring to Negro-slaves who worked in plantation baling cotton) were too inferior intellectually that none of them could ever be saved and that they'd all be anhilated at the judgement day.
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Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day!
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
#1. INCREDIBLE
NOT ONCE have YOU or ANY other Seventh day Adventist on ANY of these Threads / Comments hasn't even bothered ONCE to mention ANYTHING about SPREADING or PREACHING the GRACE of the
Good News of the Gospel of
Jesus Christ
( NOT ONE ) ( NOT ONCE )
Why not ?
Too busy bestowing accolades to the Investigative Judgment ?
#2
Isn't Adventistm SUPPOSED to be the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which is SUPPOSED to SPREAD/PREACH the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ?
What are you waiting for ?
#3
LDS : Mormonism teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT
SAME AS........
SDA : Are your sins blotted out?
SIMPLE Yes.....or......no
#4
LDS : Mormonism teaches that Jesus did NOT FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery
SAME AS.......
SDA : Did Jesus FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL , NOTHING ADDED
NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY ?
SIMPLE Yes......or......no
#5
Does one NEED TO be OBEDIENT to the LAW in order to receive
GRACE ?
SIMPLE Yes.....or......no
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
Jesus Christ set the PERFECT EXAMPLE of NOT being a vegetarian before and after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY and he ate HONEYCOMB and he ate FLESH EATING BROILED FISH MEAT in front of his Holy Apostles after his PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
Luke 24 : 39 - 42
ANSWER
GRACE
G - Gods
R - Riches
A - At
C - Christs
E - Expenae
Try it, Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I !
AGAPE !
@@porfiriojohn5276 Ok, well We assume that those condemning adventists for keeping the commandments, preaching grace, grace, grace already know the Gospel. We preach the gospel to sinners - as Jesus said, "I am come to call sinners, not the righteous to repentance" - The rest, such as you, are attacking adventist Christians, in spite of the fact that the Bible explicitly warns that this is what Satan does. We therefore, respond accordingly - according to the Word of God, not to the dictates of man made traditions.
There is no such thing as "resurrection day" taught anywhere in the Bible. That is a Catholic thing. Sunday keeping is no different than Monday keeping. Sabbath keeping is a creation ordinance. It can never be done away with. As Jesus said - "I am come to make make full the Law" Then he finished by saying "...NOT to abolish it".
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Good SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day!
"" I AM the RESURRECTION ! ""
John 11 : 25
#6
Thank you again for being a
TYPICAL SDA by NEVER mentioning ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about SPREADING / PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( NOT ONCE )
#7
Thank you for being a
TYPICAL SDA by NOT ANSWERING SOME VERY SIMPLE questions in order to defend WHAT Adventism believes and WHY Adventism believes it in order to give an ANSWER to EVERYONE who asks
1 Peter 3 : 15
#8
YOU SAID that NO WHERE in scripture are we told that Jesus AROSE on the FIRST day of the WEEK being SUNDAY under Jewish CALENDAR...
#9
The Bible disagrees with you
Jesus Christ AROSE on the FIRST day of the WEEK being SUNDAY under Jewish CALENDAR
Mathew 28 : 1
Mark 16 : 19
Luke 24 : 1
John 20 : 1 - 12
Acts 20 : 7
1st Corinthians 16 : 1 - 2
Oops 😬 sorry......
#10
Could you PLEASE show our audience WHERE ANY
Seventh day Adventist on ANY of these Threads / Comments has even bothered ONCE to mention ANYTHING about SPREADING or PREACHING the GRACE of the
Good News of the Gospel of
Jesus Christ .....
#11
The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing ADIALEIPTOS in GREEK does NOT exclude SUNDAY'S, praying and worshipping are interchangeable
1st Thessalonians 5 : 16 - 18
#12
AGAIN.....
Are you going to suggest that ALL Seventh day Adventists should NOT WORSHIP on SUNDAY'S or SEVEN days out of the WEEK ?
SIMPLE Yes......or....no
#13
LDS : Mormonism teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT
SAME AS........
SDA : Are your sins blotted out?
SIMPLE Yes......or......no
#14
LDS : Mormonism teaches that Jesus did NOT FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery
SAME AS........
SDA : Did Jesus FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL , NOTHING ADDED
NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY ?
SIMPLE Yes.....or......no
#15
Does one NEED TO be OBEDIENT to the LAW in order to receive
GRACE ?
SIMPLE Yes.....or.....no
ANSWER
Romans 1 : 1
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
I never knew these 2 denominations existed
More than two. But these two are the most important.
Speaking as an SDA I think it is dangerous to presuppose the SDARM is or is a significant part of the 144000, when hundreds of generations have past since Adam. What special tribulation have American SDARM members gone through to claim the 144000 for themselves? Neither do I like the idea of strict vegetarianism as a test of faith when that is not a teaching found in the New Testament. You also talk of the King James Version as if it is sacrosanct. Yet like other versions of the Bible Isaiah 8 : 14 is a mistranslation of the original text. The idea of a Virgin birth is based on a Greek mistranslation of the original text. The original text says young woman not virgin. Then the writers of Matthew pretend that the mistranslation was fulfilled !
Aren't they Messianic Jews ?
Firstly, who are you ?..are you an SDA?...
Many Sabbath Saturday keepers have been infiltrated ...snd keep changing doctrine and not teaching the youth.God have mercy on us
All Reformation must be done within The Seventh-Day Adventist Church she's the servant of the Lord
Well, Catholics also believe they are the only church...
It's not the taking of life, it's murder. War isn't murder