What is the Church of God (Seventh Day)? [CoG7]
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- The church of God (Seventh Day), or CoG7, is a lesser-known Adventist denomination that also worships on the Sabbath. This video will discuss their history and beliefs today.
Chapters:
00:00 What is the Church of God (Seventh Day?)
00:40 Short History of the Adventist Movement
02:25 This We Believe: Teachings of the Church of God (Seventh Day)
02:51 Major Doctrinal Shifts in the Church of God (Seventh Day)
04:12 COG7 view of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Godhead, Unipluralism & Trinity
09:39 COG7 Ordinances, Baptism and Lord's Supper, Foot washing
10:49 COG7 position on the Bible and Inerrancy
11:08 COG7 view of the Ten Commandments and Sabbath
12:32 COG7 position on Creationism and Evolution
14:10 COG7 view on sin nature and conditional immortality, annihilation
14:45 What does COG7 teach about Salvation?
16:12 COG7 view on Calvinism & Arminianism, Eternal Security
17:24 COG7 view on Sanctification & Charismatic practice
18:20 COG7 view on Bible prophecy and end times
20:22 COG7 view of 1844 and Ellen G White
20:59 COG7 views of divorce, sexuality, and marriage
21:21 What does COG7 believe about abortion?
21:36 COG7 statement on Worship Style
22:12 COG7 teaching on drinking alcohol
22:51 What does COG7 teach about tithing and unclean meats?
23:20 COG7 position on War and peace, holidays
24:07 GOG7 teaches Jesus died on a Wednesday
24:19 COG7 church polity and government
25:44 COG7 church officers and role of women
26:02 COG7 statistics
Your videos are information-dense and I appreciate your efforts.Thankyou.
I once belonged to this denomination. I must say you done an even better job than the leaders in explaining the church's origin and beliefs
Yup same here i was raised in this denomination. may i ask where are you now?
I'm now an orthodox Christian ☦️
@@triplea6174 I do not belong to any particular Christian denomination as such but I consider myself a member of the BODY OF CHRIST which I recognize as ALL WHO have accepted Jesus Christ as their savior and have received the gift of the Holy Spirit and who strive daily to live a life of PURPOSE in the building of God's kingdom here on earth.
Thank you for this informative post and for the in depth research you engage in while preparing your presentations.
Today is Sunday, February 4, 2024. I've got to do more research, but based on your video, by God I think I have finally found my church!
I really appreciate the well thought out and researched presentation. As a Pastor in COG7 I like seeing an outside source fairly represent us to others. So many assume we are Adventist, but as you clearly pointed out we are similar but distinct in our formation.
God Bless you and your work
What’s up dude! Lol small world huh😂
@@Dsbabbitt1776 hey man, yeah it is!
Loving the frequency of these posts in December
This is amazingly beautiful. The insights into the history of the church is Commendable.
This is the church I grew up going to and still do. Calvin is a distant cousin of mine. He also moved to Oregon and now goes to my church. Israel Steinmetz has since left the church as I recall. This video is very accurate. Some of the changes over the years have definitely been controversial within COG7.
Thank you so much for going over this so thoroughly, it really helped me and my family
Great video! Very gracious representation of this ministry.
I'm SDA but back in my undergrad (attended a multi-denominational school) was the first time I met someone who was COG7. Mutual friends and classmates introduced us to each other because to their evangelical eyes, we were both Seventh-day Adventist. Then we met and kind of laughed at it because, well ... not exactly haha. We played on a worship team together at the school though. He was a dope drummer.
Thank you. That was a fair and accurate description of our denomination
Thanks for this video glad you got around to this/these groups & Churches.
Looking forward to a study on Seventh Day Baptist. Great history!
That is coming soon!
Always useful info. Thank you.
Thank you! Insightful, unbiased and informative.
I appreciate that, glad to hear it!
Great overview of the COG7. Will you be looking at churches that follow the Preterist view of Eschatology in the near future?
Bro I love u. I typed looking for quakers and now I'm hooked on your videos. How on earth have I never found u on TH-cam. Subscribing and liking now. Shalom
Thanks!
Perfect timing I was researching this group yesterday
I am a member of COG7
@@alex21mu weird flex, but ok
This was educational. I see some limited similarities to Seventh-day Adventist.
Thank you so much, i have read some of the different churches that you have done the videos on and is good to know their doctrine. This is the church i grew up in so was very interesting as i dont think i ever really knew what their doctrine was. ThAnk you for putting the time an effort in all of these videos.
You are welcome Sherry, glad you like them!
Never saw a Seventh Day Church of God in the US .
Thanx, Joshua🌹🌹🌹
Please let this video be a must watched by all our ministers and Sabbath school teachers , to save the church from so many borrowed teachings not inshrined in this we Beleive
Read John 1:1-4. The Holy Spirit is the power and essence of God. The Holy Spirit is not mentioned in these verses. These verses is Jesus telling John who God is. If the Holy Spirit is a divine being, wouldn't Jesus mention Him in these verses. Like 'In the beginning was the Word and the Holy Spirit, and they were with God....
The Holy Spirit isn't mention ;it not mentioned until verse 32 - where the Holy Spirit is call it
Excellent … needed this … thx so much!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video as always, I was wondering if you're ever going to cover Catholic branches and how they are different from protestants?
Sedevacantists?
It'd be cool to have a RtH-style video/series on the various Catholic monastic orders (Franciscans, Dominicans, Jesuits, etc.).
@@thursoberwick1948 Did you mean: schismatics?
@@therealAZLN They would consider themselves as practising a more authentic form of Catholicism than anything since Vatican II maybe earlier. In some respects they wouldn't be wrong. The current Pope is more interested in Davos than traditional doctrine.
Happy non- denominationalist here !!
Very nice video, could you do a video on the General Association of Davidian Seventh Day Adventists founded by Victor Tasho Houteff?
Are they related to the Branch Davidians and David Koresh?
@@watcherwlc53 The Branch Davidians are an offshoot organization founded by Benjamin Roden several months after Victor Houteff died in 1955. David Koresh(Vernon Wayne Howell) gained control of this offshoot organization many years later. Doctrinally the Branch Davidians are very very different from the General Association of Davidian Seventh Day Adventists.
thanks for quite answer my request. because i request for COG movement by Amstrong that claimed as Philadelpia brethen. like Continuing Church of God (CCOG) that famous in internet as COGWriter that founded by Bob Thiel and United Church of God that also famous in internet.
can i request to you to made video about them!
That’s the Word Wide Church of God
I wonder if the Church of God Seventh Day in Fargo is part of this group. I went to that church a lot as a kid but didn't know anything about their particular theological perspectives aside from the very obvious things like going to church on Saturday.
They are.
I appreciate your sharing,,do you have a branch of cog7 close by for a visit and learning more,,🙏💟
Thank you for teaching us about the Adventist church.
God bless you ❤😊
Glad a video uploaded on my birthday
Happy Birthday !
@@Fern_Thaddeus Thanks!!
I have utilized these videos to make a growing list of the ways Christianity finds diversity in its beliefs and practices. As others have brought up, it would be of interest to have a questionnaire database to find out what denomination people actually align with most. So far I’m at 120, but of course there are many caveats: particularly on the subject of where rejection of one belief confers acceptance the opposite.
For instance in this video, This-We-Believe states baptism doesn’t wash away sins nor is it through human ritualism that people are saved. Yet those baptized by pouring and sprinkling must be rebaptized by immersion. Leaving my understanding of how to qualify a yes/no response to the essentialness of baptism for this denomination muddled.
It would be great if you share that databa se online!, maybe someone could make an API from it and then made a web application to visualiza all this denominations easily, like a big comparative visual element
yes it would be great if you could share
Great content, yes very similar to Seventh Day Adventist.
Actually, they are VERY different from The Seventh-Day Adventist Church. I have attended both, and I can tell you from experience they are not the same!
I really appreciate this video from India Mizoram
What can you find out about the Worldwide Church of God (Armstrongism) and a remnant church, the Restored Church of God
How about doing a video on the first four centuries of the church and the major milestones, beliefs, polity, and practices. From the Apostles to when the books of the Bible were finally canonized, quoting the early church fathers who were closest to Christ. I’m curious what current church the early church would most resemble???
Agree. But can it be done justly with an open mind and humble heart, i.e. no baggage from their current beliefs?
@@essafats5728 Of course it can.
The Catholic Church is perfect the people within her are not. The Church is inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit.
The Catholic position on Scripture has always been that it is without error on faith and morals and also on everything else. It is the word of God, word for word. The imperfect people who received inspiration to write it did not mess up when they put the pen to paper, even though they were fallible humans.
@@TXM33 The Catholic Church, you are correct. The Roman Catholic Church, nah.
This is a nice summary for anyone who doesn't want to or can't read "This We Believe" 😂
Until 1958, I was satisfied to learn what our parents conveyed to my siblings and me about the history of the church and I was satisfied to read the literature they read. From 1958 to the present, I have examined the history of the church on my own and, because I consider a person to be truly Chrisian who is learning to trust the Lord, I hesitate to refer to any denomination as “the church”. I even prefer to avoid using the full name of those organizations that include the word “Church” in their formal name.
The flip side of my personal preference is that I consider the split between eastern and western branches of the church (1054) to be just that, i.e. that neither branch IS the church. Likewise, that the distinction between Christians and non-Christians is not strictly along the line between protestants and non-protestants. I believe there are true Christians in most of the several protestant denominations, although I have yet to find any denomination the creed of which explains all Bible doctrines in precisely the ways I do.
Someone suggested that, because my understanding of the Bible is uniquely my own, maybe I “should start my own church.”
Well, no. I’m as sure as I can be that isn’t what the Lord wants me to do. At the same time, I think many people would benefit from the creation of a LAY evangelistic organization that is different from any of which I am aware.
Different?
Most evangelistic associations measure success in terms of numbers of people who make a profession of faith in Jesus. Not that there is anything wrong with encouraging people to make a profession of faith in Jesus but remember what James said about devils who believe (James 2:19).
Some denominations proselytize and call that “evangelism”.
Instead of requiring laity who are provided with expense accounts (or/and salaries) to do evangelistic work to affirm a list of doctrines, my idea is to require them, while they are receiving financial support from the lay evangelistic association I envision, to agree to NOT teach certain doctrines.
I consider the God of the Bible to be triune. (More about which if anyone is interested.) So I’d prefer to provide moral support for evangelists who avoid using the word “Trinity” because that word emphasises the threeness of God without a corresponding emphasis on his oneness. At the same time, I’d prefer to provide moral support for evangelists who avoid teaching that someone is less than Christian who denies that the life of Jesus is original, unborrowed, underived. (Were there too many negatives in that sentence?) I’m 77 and my Social Security checks are a little over $600 so I won’t be providing financial support for any evangelistic association until or unless there is a significant change in my own situation.
Evangelists supported by the evangelistic assoication I envision would agree to not teach that there is any sense in which we can earn or deserve any aspect of salvation - justification, sanctification or glorification.
Evangelists supported by the evangelistic association I envision would agree to not teach that the Bible should be interpreted by modern revelation - not even that the Hebrew Bible should be interpreted by the Gospels or/and the Epistles.
Evangelists supported by the evangelistic association I envision would agree to not teach that clergy have any more spiritual authority than the laity do or that spiritual authority is received from or through the hierarchy of a religious organization.
Evangelists supported by the evangelistic association I envision would agree to not teach that Sunday, Christmas or Easter are holy days.
Evangelists supported by the evangelistic assoication I envision would agree to not teach that humans are immortal or have an immortal soul.
What do you think? Are there other doctrines that, even if you believe them, are not essential to the proclamation of the gospel as you understand it?
P.S. to anyone who conveys information about people who are “adventists” in the lowercase sense of that word. The present-day advent movement is about the second advent of Jesus. I’ve never heard anyone emphasize the second syllable of the word “advent” whether speaking about the first advent of Jesus or his second advent. An emphasis on the second syllable of the word “adventist” gives the impression that a person doesn’t understand the origin and meaning of the term “adventist” - in much the way that emphasizing the second syllable of the word “methodist” would give the impression that someone doesn’t understand the origin and meaning of the term “methodist”.
I’m a member of the General Conference of the Church of God (Seventh Day) and serve in this ministry as a pastor.
I do not believe this specific denomination to be “the Church” but only one branch of the vine. I believe and agree with your comments about sincere believers being in every denominational and nondenominational, eastern or western churches.
I have chosen to join the CoG7 (what we call our denomination) because as I read the scriptures, when I was a child and teenager, it is the denomination that I found to be most in line with what I found the scriptures to teach. I visited and talked with pastors of other churches, denominational and nondenominational. Unfortunately, I was most often pointed to anything but scripture; I was pointed to other books. I had pastors tell me they weren’t willing to address certain doctrines because they weren’t interested in splitting the church, even after they said to me that they agreed with my understanding.
Mm Interesting takes and views. I'm in the middle of studying the different denomination/branches of Christianity, and so far I'm hesitant as well to call any denomination/branch " The Church". But I do see evidence of the holy spirit/fruit in almost each one. It's intimidating and time consuming but i find it intriguing and useful.
@@316350 hey fellow member here too. cool that they did our denomination huh?! It's a bit ironic as i grew up in this church but my family left when I was a child and once i got older i came back. Which state are you at? I'm in Vegas.
@@triplea6174 yes, I found the video to be very fair too. I was wondering if we’d be accused of being a cult, as some have suggested over the years.
I’m in Michigan. I visited the Las Vegas church in 2006; were you and/or your family attending around that time?
@@triplea6174 Studying the different denominations/branches of Christianity can be helpful. I’ve done that quite a bit myself and I find Ready to Harvest videos both useful and among the most accurate / unbiased sources of which I am aware.
Please consider, however, focusing your study on the history of the church. I think of the church as having existed ever since the proclamation of the protoevangelium (Genesis 3:15). In my view, the Christian faith includes people who were learning to trust the Lord long before Jesus was born. The word, “Christ”, is derived from the Greek word “Christos” which is the equivalent to the Hebrew word, “Messiah”. When this is taken into consideration, the Hebrews (and some others) who anticipated the first advent of the Messiah were as surely “Christians”, even if they didn’t know a word of Greek.
I’m sure I’m not the only person who tends to “put myself into the story” when I read about Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Daniel and his friends as well as when I read about Jesus and his apostles. On the other hand, some people seem to have never tried to understand how various people in history were motivated to make the choices they did. Maybe that’s why some people don’t find the history of the protestant reformation as interesting as I do.
There are some denominations in the United States that exist because people who came here from Europe preferred to maintain the traditions that had been developed in the countries where they previously lived. Some even - for a while after coming to North America - continued to hold services in the languages of the countries of their birth (Dutch Reformed, for example).
Other denominations, however, exist because the Lord called individuals or groups of people to emphasize specific aspects of the many truths about himself and how he relates to his human children.
I have found it helpful to try to understand the circumstances that led to the reforms proposed by John Wycliffe (1328-1384, Jon Hus (1369-1415), Martin Luther (1483-1546), the English puritans of the sixteenth century, especially the Mayflower Pilgrims of the early seventeenth century, John Wesly and others.
I don’t agree with all of the doctrines and practices of those various reformers but, if you can “put yourself into their shoes”, I think you will find their history to be both informative and inspiring. I don’t entirely agree with the doctrines of John Calvin (1509-1564) but he lived at a time when most people in western Europe thought their salvation depended on the decisions of the priests. Try to imagine the relief of the people who heard Calvin teach that such decisions had been made by God before they were born.
Yyyaaayyy finally, I am
A member. Born and raised in my beloved COG7
There are also Seventh Day Baptists
My dad was a pastor in this church around 1957. I was baptized at Springvale Academy in Owosso, Michigan in 1973. Calvin Burrell was one of my teachers there and was also the director of the school. I recall that he had gone on to become conference president for about 10 years. Concerning the deity of Yeshua the Messiah, he and the Father are one, or echad in Hebrew which means plural oneness. God in Hebrew is Elohim. It is a title given to the father and son collectively. The father alone is El. They are of the same spirit. Faith alone will not save us, even the demons believe and trouble. Faith without works is dead. I have also discovered that the Moedim, which is Hebrew for appointed times, often referred to as holy days were not abolished. In the book of Matthew Messiah told us not to think that he has come to destroy the Torah or the prophets, he has not come to destroy but to complete. The stance of the Cog7 concerning the Holy days is that it has to be kept in Jerusalem where Elohim puts his name. However scripture reveals that if we can't go there to keep it where we are. Shalom.
Are you related to Nelson Caswell? We in the United Church of God rented the building on Sabbath afternoon for church services. He performed my mother's funeral service and was a true gentleman and and an excellent example of Christian Behavior.
The most influential church in my life was the Non Denominational Church of God in Philadelphia. God was in that church. The presence of God filled that place at all times
You could not help but to realize that you were in the presence of God.
I was raised in the Church of God (7thday). I was baptized when I was 12 in Hason Dam Lake View Terrace CA.by Paster Trinidad Padilla. When I became a adult I went to Hope chapel in Hermosa Beach in 1983 -1990. Then in 2009 I moved to Oceanside CA I got involved with the Church of God in Christ with my third and present husband who is black and I am white. Now we belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter. Day Saints. There are some saved people in all the churches. Jesus will start his Church when he comes. Your relationship with God is what I oirtabt you confess with your mouth you eliee e in Jesus Christ and ask him in your heart and be baptized by ummergiined. I had my second baptism last year as Latter day Saints. Believe and trust in the Eternal God and his beloved son Jesus and be baptized by water and filled with the Holy Ghost. I say this in the name of Christ Happy Ester. Give thanks be blessed Karen Murdock Watkins
As far as Doctrinal shift from faith plus works
It should be understood, faith and the works are the result of that faith.
The Church of God Seventh-Day in Salem West Virginia is actually the 7th Day Baptist Church which was founded [1792] long before William Miller [1820's-1840's] and the Seventh-Day Adventists [1863.]
Actually the Seventh Day Baptists were very active back in the 1700’s and may have played a part in the formation of the Church of God Seventh Day.
SDB were influential in getting the Adventist into accepting the 7day sabbath. So in a round about way you are right.
How many denomiations have "church of god" in them?
Too many🙃
Only Jehovah's Witnesses use the name Jehovah!
@@Perririri Not even true. Apart from their offshoots, it's found in the KJV.
Thank you. You were fast talking.
Have a blessed Sabbath!
Have a blessed week..
Acts 2:46-47
Acts 5:42......
@@hectorhernandez215 Worship daily, and set the Sabbath apart from all other days. Rest in Christ daily, keep the Sabbath day holy.
Is everyday easter for you? Can you live everyday in the reality of resurrection life, but still set aside a day each year to celebrate? Yes. That's the point.
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-19
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
Mark 2:27-28
Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”
Matthew 12:12
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Colossians 2:16-17
Thus says the Lord : “Keep justice, and do righteousness, for soon my salvation will come, and my righteousness be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil.” Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely separate me from his people”; and let not the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” For thus says the Lord : “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. “And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord , to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord , and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant- these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.” The Lord God , who gathers the outcasts of Israel, declares, “I will gather yet others to him besides those already gathered.”
Isaiah 56:1-8
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Exodus 20:8-11
So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.
Genesis 2:3
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
Revelation 14:12
Be blessed
@@marriage4life893The Peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
Jesus Fullfilled the Law for us.
As it says:
📜Romans 10:4📜
4. For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes.
📜Galatians 5:4📜
4. You who are trying to be justified by the law have been severed from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
God is our Sabbath Rest.
📜 Hebrews 4:1-11📜
@@Become_Born-Again
Hello!
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-19
For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
Matthew 12:8
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot.
Romans 8:7
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
Romans 3:31
If you're implying that Yeshua fulfilled the law so we don't have to remember the Sabbath, let me ask you this:
He also fulfilled being born of a virgin. Do you take the time to celebrate that?
He fulfilled being our Passover Lamb, 1st Corinthians 5:7-8, do you celebrate that?
He also fulfilled the festival of First Fruits at his resurrection during the week of Unleavened Bread. Do you celebrate his resurrection?
If he fulfilled those things so you don't have to do them, then please apply the same standard to yourself as you are to me.
Jesus never committed theft, but I bet you still keep that. Jesus rose from the dead, and I bet you still celebrate that.
If you're accusing me of being under the law for observing Sabbath, then I would be right in accusing you of the same for observing the command to respect your parents.
If I'm trying to justify myself by observing Sabbath, which I'm not, then aren't you trying to justify yourself by keeping the other nine out of ten?
God said to remember the Sabbath just like Yeshua said to keep Passover in remembrance of him. And Christ is still the Lord of the Sabbath, which has future implications for God's creation. In fact, in Exodus 31, do you know what the sign is that God created the heavens and earth in six days? Not a theory of creationism. God Himself said the sign of a six day creation is the seventh day Sabbath 🙌🏾
Do you think my Father is lying?
Meanwhile, to accuse me of trying to work for my salvation by observing Sabbath doesn't make sense because work is not allowed on Sabbath😉.
Be blessed
@@marriage4life893 amén
Sounds good to me
I am going to sit brown now, because I got dizzy listening to that??? 👍❤️👍❤️
Desmond Doss' Church?
Desmond was part of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Video about them coming later this month. They used to be more opposed to war than they are today.
@@ReadyToHarvest Thank you, sir. I thought they were similar.
Nom JWs came out the Sunday keeping branch of Adventists.
As a Adventist I think a sign is that our denomination was able to grow the way it did. Many disagree with the status of EGW in the church. I don't agree with everything she says or even everything St. Paul said. But I do find it interesting that we grew into a worldwide movement with schools and hospitals only 2nd in number to the Roman Catholic Church but this cousin of our's has less than 1million members. I wonder if they had less emphasis on evangelism than we do or something.
BTW there are numbers Sabbath keeping Christians. Seventh-day Adventists are just the largest and most well-known...but there are many other smaller groups.
You want to make the point that SDA growth may be of some significance verses these other groups. Logically growth or speed of growth does not necessarily indicate anything but it's possible the church was blessed in some way but more evidence would need to be examined. As a counter example, a local church who, over a short period of time, sees an increase in membership doesn't indicate anything.
I am confused though. SDA claim Scripture as true, yet you don't always agree with Paul?
@@americanswan Growth of membership and church seems to be more or less marketing marketing market ability and accessibility from what I've seen that is basically why you have a rise of Mega churches.
The doctrines of the Sunday of in his church may be a little difficult for many people to accept and absorb so many people are not necessarily willing to go that route even if they agree mentally with the things that we teach until they get it as a spiritual necessity in their heart they're not willing to make a conversion.
@americanswan My opinions on Saint Paul are my own personal views and not necessarily that of the 7th day Adventist church that is based off of my own personal study as a self taught theologian and you will probably find there are many other theologians in Christianity that have similar views in regards to Pauline theology versus theology versus what Jesus said.
Keonny, observations of Sda hospitals: big difference from rcc hospitals - Sda hospitals performs abortions on a for-profit basis.
@@essafats5728 I am glad you brought that up. Most Adventist aren't aware of that. It was only exposed online a few years ago I think. The church reaffirmed the sanctity of life and I think they only are supposed to do abortions in rare cases after the controversy became an issue. Those hospitals and hospital administrators do NOT speak for me. I know my mother hit herself or something to induce an abortion when she was young and married because she already had four children and she was concerned with the direction the marriage was going. She later sought a divorce. I don't know all the details. My mother also doesn't speak for me.
Abortion is not talked about in church and I am against them.
@@essafats5728 We are protestants and protestants traditionally do not necessarily have an isthere we have a issue with abortion I've learned that by the viewing this channel for whatever reason in yeah that's the reason in America it became an issue with the growing prevalence of Catholicism for some reason but in Europe in protestant countries is not an issue. The Adventist church has already declared that we do not believe in euthanasia or abortion for the sake of abortion and as far as the hospitals many times these hospitals even though they are sponsored by the church act independently of the church because of the laws....
what about The Church Of God Jerusalem Acres? they r 7 th day
2:01 I remember him!!
5:08 It appears that they're migrating back(?) to standard Protestant evangelical orthodoxy.
6:15 Ok, not that much back to standard Protestant evangelical orthodoxy...
No one but Christ understands everything. Somethings are more important than other things. We must seek the truth (not errors) with a good conscience and in love towards all. If you look for errors you will find them but with such discoveries help you?
Wrong! The church of God 7th day did not come out of the 7th Day Adventist 🙄. The only similarities they have is the day they worship on
COG7 came from the Adventist movement just like the SDA church did. This is an indisputable fact.
Do they consider themselves to be protestant?
@@ReadyToHarvestYou are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts 🤦🏽♀️
@@Carebearintl Everyone including COG7 themselves claims they came from the Adventist movement, which also produced the SDA church. There's plenty of documentation.
Also, we do not see denominations in the scriptures and further to, the writings of scripture reject any denomination.
Church of God GC - Unitarian
Church of God (7th day) - Binitarian
First Day Adventist - Trinitarian
Seventh Day Adventist - Trinitarian
This makes me wonder if our belief of who God is really more important than the day we worship him.
Let me say right out the gate, that I am not a member of the Church of God 7th Day or have I ever been. However, that being said I believe cog7 is a remnant of the True Church of God and is described in Revelation chapter 3 and verse 1 as the Sardis Church. God's true people are also described in Revelation 14:12..."Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."
Commandment Keepers is a coded message for Seventh-Day Sabbath Observers. They keep both the faith of Jesus and the Commandments.
@Меѳодїи judaizers implies that they practice Judaism. That is not correct. Judaism is not the true religion of the Old Testament. It is an interpretation of the Old Testament by way of the Pharisees and other so-called sages. If they are judaizers, then all the church members of the New Testament churches would have been also.
@Меѳодїи how could the Septuagint possibly be more accurate then the masoretic text? Being copies of the original Hebrew. A considerable number of Scholars believe the Septuagint to be highly flawed. IMHO the new King James Version, based on the majority text for the New Testament and mainly the masoretic text for the old to be a reasonably reliable translation. I didn't say perfect, but a pretty decent translation. For the record, I am not into the cultish belief of KJV only. And for the record, I do not consider myself a Protestant.
@Меѳодїи the Septuagint is unbiased? You have got to be kidding me! Virtually every modern translation today has biases in it. I don't care how many are on a committee and what their claims are. Just because the apostles used the Septuagint doesn't prove anything. They had to use what was available. In addition, there is no perfect copies. We obviously don't have any of the original autograph, but as dr. Daniel Wallace has stated, we can make a reasonable assessment of what is accurate.
( that is a paraphrase).
@Меѳодїи I will make one final comment. Have you ever attended a Church of God 7th Day service? Well, I have and I got to know intimately the senior pastor in Kansas City by the name of Nelson Caswell. I never saw anything there even remotely that could be referred to as being a
Judaizer. In fact, they have a very strong emphasis on promoting Jesus Christ as Savior and coming King. Even though, I was not a member of the church, my mother was dying in the hospital and Pastor Nelson came to visit her on the last day of her life and spent six hours with her. He also performed the funeral. I have never in my life seen a more kind, decent and converted Christian man in my life.
I thought they really believe Jesus was born on wednesday, like u use in time stamp!
Oops, haha, that would be funny. Fixed from "born" to "died"
@@ReadyToHarvest glad brother if it could be fixed.
but maybe they could counted as church that officially not celebrated Christmas nor believing Jesus was born in winter season.
I also hope for video about COG version of Amstromism. (Philadelpian Church, they claimed to be the Philadelpia church!).
i like to read article from CCOG and UCG.
Good work Joshua. No surprise here as Adventists choose 'greasy grace', the slippery slope grace that is alone from any good works, where grace is actually only given for good works.
H.W. Armstrong, from what I understand came out of this group of Adventist churches
I had a colleague in the Air Force who was a 7th Day Adventist. When I was home, I asked my pastor (WELS) about this demonization. He considered them Christians who practice differently.
Calvin Burrell died yesterday June 29 2022.
I'm a Calvinistic member of COG7..not a bad representation of the church.
Calvinistic member of COG7? Interesting.
The Spirit from God the Father to the Son To Us-ward as Believers..
Jesus is the only way humbly ask he will answer you
Don't know if any have it 100% but fully believe that the closer we get to the return the more forgotten/rejected history is leading believers back into Torah concepts and corruption of Pauline teachings. Constantine and Marcion definitely messed up doctrine. Seek and test...with humility. Be blessed!
amen
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Normie
Miller studied the bible again, the meaning of Cleansing the Sanctuary was not christ returning to earth, but Christ walking from the holy part of the temple in heaven to the holiest part to begin judging mankind, the temple is where he went after leaving the earth 2000 years ago.
it's like the Life of Brian in real life…
Are you the Judean People's Front?
We're the People's Front of Judea!
Cult or not cult is what im trying to research?
Not cult but fairly strict because they still try to adhere to mosaic law. All tithing and offerings are completely voluntary. Non of our pastors are paid. Furthermore all married men are able to preach
I believe that God the Son is not younger than the Father. The Father didn't create the Son, who is eternal. The Father declared Him to be His son. (I believe this on the basis of Psalm 2:7). I also believe (on the authority of Matthew 28:19) that The Holy Spirit is God Almighty.
I agree, Jesus is the "one and only" similarly a first born son is the "one and only." God did not "birth/create" Jesus.
Matthew 28:19 has been disputed as not an original translation.
None of the apostles followed this order. They only baptized in the name of Jesus.
Having a hard time differentiating their view of “unipluralism” from literally every other trinitarian belief. It seems like a difference in semantics, not substance.
The difference is in semantics and only some believe this way. Most believe in an anti-trinitarian approach. Leadership just fails to write such words in “this we believe” books, but it is noted in core doctrine if you look at it!
They don't believe the holy spirit is a "person", but the power of God which emanates from both the God the Father and God the son.
@@rexjamerson9316 we* I am a member, I agree !
they don't have 3 persons of God, just 2 persons. so they reject the number 3
We believe the Holy Spirit is not a deity but the presence of God in the believer. Many members decide to keep the old creed even though This We Believe states otherwise 🤷🏻♀️
I'm amazed that the God of the Universe, Creator of EVERYTHING, would feel the shifts within this church as any kind of worship, if worship that God seeks.
Interesting. I'm SDA. They are a divergent from our movement. They rejected EGW and went in an opposite direction along with the 1st dat Adventist. Spposedly there were some anti trinitarians in the early leadership. We abandoned that early on...but JWs and this group kept it... but like all denominations... they grow and change...
We do not follow or believe in the trinity!
Also there are several groups that use the name COG and some are sabbatarians.
The seventh day Baptists we're here and keeping the Sabbath more than 180 years before there was anything such as a Seventh-Day Adventist. It appears that Stephen Mumford and his wife started a Sabbath keeping group around 1671 in Rhode Island, and there is some evidence there were a handful of people keeping the Sabbath before this couple arrived. Bottom line? There were several others keeping The Seventh-Day Sabbath before the invention of The Seventh-Day Adventist Church. The True Church of God has always had the correct name also. It is referred to 12 times in the New Testament as the Church of God. In addition, looking to a female leader in the church is a violation of 1st Timothy 2:11 - 12.
The True Church of God has never practiced this violation of scripture.
Although I am not a member, I believe that the Church of God 7th Day is a remnant of the True Church of God founded in 30 A.D.
It is my belief that they are the Sardis era of the Church of God spoken of in Revelation chapter 3.
@@rexjamerson9316 The 7th day sabbath was taught to us by the 7th day baptists the 7th day adventists learned of this from the 7th day Baptist Rachel oaks was a 7th day Baptist who taught a sea captain(Bates) that exposed this teaching to sister white early in the beginning of the movement.
The only reason people refer to we 7 day adventists is because we are the largest single group of sabbatarians in existence today unless you count the Ethiopian orthodox church which has lessened the importance of sabbath.
@@elidavila2258 do you not celebrate birthdays or christmas? similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses?
I triple dog dare you to do one about the Seventh Day Remnant. They are anti-Adventists, not just non-Adventists. That should be a fun one. One group in particular is the Presents of God Ministry founded by a guy named Nicholas Patula in Indiana. Ellen White is still their prophetess.
Why do so many of the SDA churches turn into cults.
Jehovahs Witnesses came out of the Millerite movement and are also Adventist in some of their theology.
There is so much misinterpretation and in some instances dishonesty in respect of the statements of doctrine, there are something in scripture which are plain. It is either that some disregard altogether or have never read them. For instance there is example of the Saints meeting on the Lord
s Day (First Day of the Week) for Breaking of Bread and worship, Acts 20:7.
Sabbath church of God seventh day Uk 🇬🇧
Dude, it’s ADD-ventist, not adVENtist.
Thanks!
not so; although this is the common usage in the US, worldwide the pronunciation is much more varied. The largest SDA channel I am aware of (Bible Flock Box) pronpunces it as I do here, and many official videos of the SDA church do as well.
I really, really enjoy your videos. I've known a few COG7 and they were very strident, not very welcoming, and didn't like any questions.
they're not all like this, sorry for your bad experience. I feel most denominations unfortunately have some bad fellowships
I encourage you to watch some of there live streams on TH-cam. Most our Churches have open conversations throughout.
You are too fast slow down please
you can use the youtube controls to play it at a slower speed
How i wish you spoke slowly for most of us to understand what youre saying! Youre too fast.
Wrong,they worship on the seventh day they are not Adventist.
very informative, thank you; Problem is that most people do not TEST author to author in the Bible, Paul is a false prophet and James, John and Jude all warn of this. Rev 2:2 is clear and Luke records this in his letter to the pagan judge. Acts was never intended for Christians to read. Jesus warned us in Matt 24:24 not to believe any light in the wilderness, Paul never heard this warning and got his power from a false Christ.
Jesus makes it clear in John 17:3 that there is only one God and His spirit came to the only begotten Son on his baptism.
Sorry but the church of God I go to is definitely NOT Adventist !! Not anything close . Beliefs are totally different
Why there are innumerable number of churches? Ordinary Christians consider Jesus as God and want to follow his teachings because his is the best teachings.we don’t want to debate about the various theories,rituals,dogmas and heresies. Because of these there are unnecessary fights between various churches.for us Christians and no Christian’s are our brothers and sisters. We want to show and spread Christ‘S teachings through our dealings and behaviour.
The churches are doing Satan work; division, Christianity is divided in many ways.
British Israelism? 🤔
I'm a Biblical Unitarian, but I'm not a member of either Church of God denominations. I grew up SDA, but they have a number of false beliefs, including the Trinity and a close of probation, neither of which are supported by Scripture, along with a false prophetess, so I gave up the false doctrines and I'm no longer denominational. SDA is mostly accurate about the Sabbath and the state of the dead, but wrong about the 2nd Coming and the post-Advent. Yeshua ("Jesus" is pagan, meaning man-horse), the fully-human son of God who lived a sinless life and won salvation through death for mankind's sins, will return to earth and set up his kingdom and rule for a millennium.
This church sounds extremely similar to SDA church.
7th
Normie
7th Day
They are not connected to the Seventh Day Adventist, accept in the broader Christian fellowship of believers, nor are they connected to the now defunct WWCG. Just a side note of truth. EGW did not start the SDA, but came into it.
Seem like a decent church
Is the Holy Spirit a distinct person within the one true God? The answer is yes if Scripture is our guide. The Holy Spirit is not just an afflatus. This is why we read in Scripture that like Jesus, who was sent into the world, Gal. 4:4, the Spirit was also sent into the world, John 16:7. Being sent indicates personality. The Spirit in Scripture is a person and as such “speaks”, 1 Tim. 4:1. The Spirit as a person is referred to with pronouns, John 16:13. The Spirit as a person can also be “grieved”, Ephesians 4:30. The Spirit as a person also strives, Galatians 5:17.
In addition, the Spirit has in Scripture along with personality, all the attributes of God, omniscience [Psalm 139:4] omnipotence, [Romans 15:19] omnipresence, [Psalm 139:7-10]; and of course, the Holy Spirit is eternal, [Hebrews 9:14]. The natural or plain meaning of Scripture leads one to conclude that God is three persons in the One Being, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. There is no other God. And so, we read the parting words of our Lord and Savior, ‘’Go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. [Matthew 28:19]
Yeshua (Jesus) did not believe the Holy Spirit was a distinct person. In John 10:30 he stated, "I and My Father are one." He never once said that I and my Father, and the Holy Spirit are one.
@@steveabraham8847 You need to do some research. Maybe you need to humble yourself as well. Do you really think that the primitive Church needs your instruction? It preached the Holy Trinity from the very beginning. It labored to show that the Holy Spirit was a distinct person, and it proved as much. People like you CHERRY PICK Bible verses that fit your scheme, but you somehow pass over what flatly contradicts that scheme.
You must have a redacted Bible.
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@@rev.stephena.cakouros948 Hi Rev, your tone is not going to lead this brother to communion with you, you are pushing him away. Perhaps respond to his conviction with love, and the word of God, and patience.
@@GabrielJimenez-pc3qv You are just accusative. There is the didactic in my comment and no bitterness. You just don't like authority. Schmoozing people accomplishes nothing. Jesus was a teacher and that is what I am doing in my comment, teaching.
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Interesting. Guess they don't read the KJV bible but a modern watered down bible. TFS
COG& precedes Ellen g Whitei believe.
R ONE TRUE RELIGION
It is only logical that there would be one true religion. This is in harmony with the fact that the true God is a God, "not of disorder, but of peace." (1 Corinthians 14:33) The Bible says that actually there is only "one faith." (Ephesians 4:5) Who, then, are the ones who form the body of true worshippers today?
We do not hesitate to say that they are Jehovah's Witnesses.