The signal that looks "worse" actually is the transmit signal. It becomes pre-emphasized to compensate for the frequency response of the cable so that it looks nice to the receiver. And yes, I know, this comment may be a bit late. ;)
We had one of these in our lab for some measurements of 10 gigabit ethernet transceivers. For some reason, it never shut itself down properly, so every time we turned it on it said "Windows did not shut down successfully." You have to do start->shut down on the darn thing, you can't just turn it off like a normal scope. Rather annoying. And then one day the power went out in the lab right as I was about to take a measurement. Go figure.
Dave -- I love your videos, been watching for ages, but you have a serious affliction I like to call "can't leave it alone" syndrome... Stop changing the damn horizontal timebase!!!
Sure, if you want to spent your life editing videos. When you are a video blogger putting out regular content you learn very quickly to do as little as you have to in the video editing department.
Dave, given the unit runs a form of Windows, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't just connect a USB mouse to it for navigation - especially as the mouse cursor is visible on the screen. Might be easier than using the touch screen :).
This is true. However, it takes a while to get a measurement set up so you can turn the scope on and let it warm up while doing so. We were using it to take measurements of 10G transceiver lock time through a wavelength selective switch, so we would pick two different transceivers, put one in a test board and one in a computer, clean and connect the fibers, turn on a bunch of optical amps, and configure the WSS before we could even get a trace on the scope.
The pair you're calling 'receive' with overshoot issues is most likely not the receive side but the transmit side. Many high speed transceivers will add pre-cursor and post-cursor pre-emphasis to decrease the effects of dispersion and intersymbol interference. Basically, the idea is to offset the effects of the transmission line beforehand. The other signal is very nicely rounded with no overshoot, showing that the pre-emphasis is doing what it is supposed to.
The USB 3.0 plug end you showed and explained is a USB 3.0-B plug. The standard A plug fits all regular USB 1 and 2 ports. The 3.0-B plug, though, is larger than the 2.0-B plug.
Actually, USB 1.1 certification for the 1.5Mbit "low speed" data rate has eye diagram test requirements. But that obviously can be done on a cheaper scope.
from datapro . net's USB_Backwards_Compatibility page: "THE EXCEPTION: The one catch to backwards compatibility is that the SuperSpeed USB B male connector is not able to interface with a USB 2.0 B female jack." Yes, but you cannot use a USB 3.0B end into a USB 2.0B port.
I'm a bit blown away by the fact it's not running on linux. Such an expensive piece of equipment running on the equivalent of a mcdonalds big mac to run the show.
Not really, there are plenty of applications where, surprisingly, windows is actually perfect for. Personally, I would think that Linux would be a bit shit for a scope but I haven't messed around with many scopes so I don't have enough knowledge about them. In saying that, it would be a massive pain in the ass to make a custom "OS" for it. I guess that's the reason why a lot of the "embedded devices" I see are so slow and shit, they probably outsource it to India where good programming is but a myth told only in small circles and knowledge about the hardware it is being run on is laughable absent. Bloody slow ass terminals with no feedback or any facade of quality programming, McDonalds, Woolworths, and Coles should be ashamed of themselves.
This instrument costs like $100k. I inquired about reinstalling Windows on another Agilent instrument costing $10k-20k, and was told it would be $700 minimum to reinstall the OS if the recovery partition was inoperable. Hopefully the cost of repair does not scale linearly with the cost of the instrument, otherwise expect to pay $7000 to get the OS reinstalled hahahah
Dave, signal integrity is mostly a characteristic of the PHY right ? I mean, considering we're using standard cables with correct length and so on, if eye diagram doesn't look good, who would you blame first ? The digital USB3 IP or the USB3 PHY or the PIPE3 interface on the PCB ? cheers
And the DSO app you would probably write yourself in a few days and release it as open source? Or you would only use it as 140K always-up-to-date-OS PC?
You mentioned you haven't read the USB 3.0 specification... I haven't met a person yet who understands the entire USB 1.0/2.0 specification let alone USB 3.0 (of course, doesn't mean they don't exist)... shame it's nearly impossible to use it for hobbyist electronics :/...
Any laptop with running Linux with jack rack and some ladspa filters installed can do that in real time. It doesn't cost anything and you only need a pentium 4.
***** 10 million is an absolutely tiny number if you put it into the perspective of the year 2015 and an amount of computers which is even bigger than the entire population. Nothing runs on XP anymore - except for obsolete, soon-to-be-replaced systems which nobody cared about up until now (because they're unimportant). Get over it : XP is dead and if you want to have our computer running you need to uninstall OR disconnect it from the internet entirely; its not only danger to itself but also every other vulnerable computer out there. There will always be people who refuse to adapt - and these are always the same people who get left behind. If you want to be "different" simply buy a macintosh - if you want to have something "reliable" use linux - its no problem to keep the same version of linux for DECADES, most of the time. The only OS which "degrades" over time is windows - scriptkiddies keep creating attacks for obsolete software hence users NEED to stay updated, otherwise they soon will suffer the fate of ignorancy.
***** so what you're saying is you made numbers up and now you're insulting everyone. Additionally, you start making up words, also - what the shit is "putting words in my GUI" supposed to mean? Nevermind, i think its time for you to do your homework, young internet forum troll.
Is that a big problem for a professional EE? :D Maybe you can make a video of it. Or just use a software compressor in your video editor. Most have one built in but if not there are hundreds of (free) VST and DX plugins out there.
If they wanted to use MacOS, Apple would probably make Agilent have only one button and if you touched the wrong side it would stop working :P (you asked for it ^^)
I'd try to put Linux on it. Apart from always having an up-to-date OS for that thing, you could even use Irssi to IRC while pretending to work! Awesomeness
$12,000 for a differential probe! (he's talking Aussie Dollars I guess?) Even so, Jeeeze...... AND a $120,000 for digital signal analyser.... The sad thing is, I want this type of shit in my workshop. No chance of retiring in the next 30 years then lol!
The signal that looks "worse" actually is the transmit signal. It becomes pre-emphasized to compensate for the frequency response of the cable so that it looks nice to the receiver.
And yes, I know, this comment may be a bit late. ;)
+Jonathan Strobl (joni-st) so it works similar to dsl vectoring?
@@Leonelf0 Wait DSL is supposed to work?
I have this scope at work. We're also loaning it (13GHz version), but we're getting a 6GHz version after it goes back. What an amazing piece of kit!
We had one of these in our lab for some measurements of 10 gigabit ethernet transceivers. For some reason, it never shut itself down properly, so every time we turned it on it said "Windows did not shut down successfully." You have to do start->shut down on the darn thing, you can't just turn it off like a normal scope. Rather annoying. And then one day the power went out in the lab right as I was about to take a measurement. Go figure.
Dave -- I love your videos, been watching for ages, but you have a serious affliction I like to call "can't leave it alone" syndrome...
Stop changing the damn horizontal timebase!!!
Sure, if you want to spent your life editing videos. When you are a video blogger putting out regular content you learn very quickly to do as little as you have to in the video editing department.
No, software post processing audio is not trivial, it would seriously increase my editing time.
this is one of the best vids on scops i have ever seen
Dave, given the unit runs a form of Windows, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't just connect a USB mouse to it for navigation - especially as the mouse cursor is visible on the screen.
Might be easier than using the touch screen :).
This is true. However, it takes a while to get a measurement set up so you can turn the scope on and let it warm up while doing so. We were using it to take measurements of 10G transceiver lock time through a wavelength selective switch, so we would pick two different transceivers, put one in a test board and one in a computer, clean and connect the fibers, turn on a bunch of optical amps, and configure the WSS before we could even get a trace on the scope.
The pair you're calling 'receive' with overshoot issues is most likely not the receive side but the transmit side. Many high speed transceivers will add pre-cursor and post-cursor pre-emphasis to decrease the effects of dispersion and intersymbol interference. Basically, the idea is to offset the effects of the transmission line beforehand. The other signal is very nicely rounded with no overshoot, showing that the pre-emphasis is doing what it is supposed to.
The USB 3.0 plug end you showed and explained is a USB 3.0-B plug. The standard A plug fits all regular USB 1 and 2 ports. The 3.0-B plug, though, is larger than the 2.0-B plug.
you shouldn't shut the scope down if you are gonig to use it the next day. those scopes needs a minimum 20mins to warm up before it stabilizes itself.
Dave, today i got my hands on an Agilent E4980A LCR meter at work, thanks to you, i gave it a nice sniff before powering it on, beautiful smell
Can you connect a mouse to that 'Scope so that you don't need to try to touch those tiny hotspots on the screen for each button?
These probes are like 5k-10k Dollar range depending on the bandwidth, and addition to that 9000 series Scope is 50k....
How can that scope use BNC jacks for the probes at 13GHz? I thought BNC is only rated for 3-4 GHz max.
Oh, I was thinking it could be done in the editing. I'm sure there are some portable hardware types out there - but I don't have a recommendation.
Actually, USB 1.1 certification for the 1.5Mbit "low speed" data rate has eye diagram test requirements. But that obviously can be done on a cheaper scope.
USB 1.0 certification for 1.5Mbit
USB 1.1 certification for the 12 Mbit
USB 2.0 certification for the 480 Mbit
That eye demo automatically enables the Beautify option for use when demonstrating products to technically-savvy potential investors.
Have you considered a compressor/leveler? The proximity effect on the mic is somewhat distracting...
from datapro . net's USB_Backwards_Compatibility page:
"THE EXCEPTION: The one catch to backwards compatibility is that the SuperSpeed USB B male connector is not able to interface with a USB 2.0 B female jack."
Yes, but you cannot use a USB 3.0B end into a USB 2.0B port.
Can you plug in a mouse for that scope? I wouldn't bother mashing the screen with my paws.
Sure, know of one that's 3.5mm inline and convenient?
9:56 Does this thing have full windows 7 on it?
+StarTrek123456 i think so
i hope it's not vista
Scarry Polpetta The old theme of vista looks different.
Windows 3.11
i hope not 150,000 dollar for a machines that runs windows PFFF
It uses Vista and i am not kidding :)
How did you end up with a 140K DA under your desk? I looked under my desk and found a Tektronix 2440 and 2465B :)
Maybe you should press S1 in the serial decode menu Dave.
best,,, as u say,,, to play...... the best way to learn and discover ,,,,, thanx
USB differential Tx/Rx are Analog signals how to do simulation for that ?
Next video!
Is the OS on that probe windows? :p
I'm a bit blown away by the fact it's not running on linux. Such an expensive piece of equipment running on the equivalent of a mcdonalds big mac to run the show.
Not really, there are plenty of applications where, surprisingly, windows is actually perfect for.
Personally, I would think that Linux would be a bit shit for a scope but I haven't messed around with many scopes so I don't have enough knowledge about them.
In saying that, it would be a massive pain in the ass to make a custom "OS" for it. I guess that's the reason why a lot of the "embedded devices" I see are so slow and shit, they probably outsource it to India where good programming is but a myth told only in small circles and knowledge about the hardware it is being run on is laughable absent.
Bloody slow ass terminals with no feedback or any facade of quality programming, McDonalds, Woolworths, and Coles should be ashamed of themselves.
Windows is perfect for nothing except torture. Professional people use Unix.
This instrument costs like $100k. I inquired about reinstalling Windows on another Agilent instrument costing $10k-20k, and was told it would be $700 minimum to reinstall the OS if the recovery partition was inoperable. Hopefully the cost of repair does not scale linearly with the cost of the instrument, otherwise expect to pay $7000 to get the OS reinstalled hahahah
Don't call it a 'Big Mac' if it ran on a Mac it would be far superior :p
Normally you can do it in your video editing software.
Agilent introduce a new user interface in 2014 ;-). Agilent's Next-Generation Infiniium User Interface
Dave said it's backwards compatible so that means you can use USB 2.0 B plug into USB 3.0 B socket.
Dave, signal integrity is mostly a characteristic of the PHY right ? I mean, considering we're using standard cables with correct length and so on, if eye diagram doesn't look good, who would you blame first ? The digital USB3 IP or the USB3 PHY or the PIPE3 interface on the PCB ?
cheers
That's why pro video editing software has workflow setups- that way you don't have to do all this stuff every time.
Now I just need the money to get one of this 40GS oscilloscope.
This video blows my mind. I had a really nice picture in my head of what all the ones and zeros where doing in my computer. I was utterly wrong.
And the DSO app you would probably write yourself in a few days and release it as open source? Or you would only use it as 140K always-up-to-date-OS PC?
Hey PixelFeatures... Where's the high res version so I can actually make out what's being shown here? :-/
Cool scope! I think I will go and buy one tomorrow with my pocket money. :D
USB 3.1 specs are finalized. It will offer 10Gbit/s transmission speed. :)
It must have incredible irony sensitivity.
wow! looking forward to it
A highlight of my day would be a BSOD on the scope. Sigh...no joy.
The supercomputer of the rwth aachen @ germany can run with Windows? :)
But i dont know how expensiv it was :D
You forgot the high-end Agilent branding
Maybe it won't let you read USB3 data due to some license issues or something?
Does that scope use windows operating system? Menus look similiar to windows ._.
Is that thing running Win7?!
9 years later the most fascinating thing about this video is that ancient, clunky USB-B-3.0 connector 😳 and yet SATA hasn’t changed a bit
That connector is still used, some usb hubs have it, for example.
Did dave say in the unboxing that it ran xp?
You mentioned you haven't read the USB 3.0 specification... I haven't met a person yet who understands the entire USB 1.0/2.0 specification let alone USB 3.0 (of course, doesn't mean they don't exist)... shame it's nearly impossible to use it for hobbyist electronics :/...
Replay 16:28 - 16:51 with no sound. Dave is trying to hypnotize and strangle his oscilloscope!
140 thousands dollars? did i hear correctly? 0_0
The real bitrate is 4.8Gbps not 5. Sorry, I have a little bit of compsci and ee training. Therefore, I tend to be picky about interfaces.
That new scope smell?
Dave, please don make me stay up at 4:00 am in the morning. German timezone, etc.
Not within the one clip easily.
It's already got a touchscreen, chuck Win8 on it!
I guess windows was particularly attractive because of the built in features like wizards and the help browser.
Any laptop with running Linux with jack rack and some ladspa filters installed can do that in real time. It doesn't cost anything and you only need a pentium 4.
Very helpful.
but what can you do with it?
The decode didn't work because you didn't have all the pairs connected. You'd need all three pairs to be able to decode it.
27:28 windows 7!
wtf this thing has a win7 or it looks like it and a cursor also a touch screen
It runs windows xp
Ed Crutchley nothing runs windows XP anymore.
***** 10 million is an absolutely tiny number if you put it into the perspective of the year 2015 and an amount of computers which is even bigger than the entire population. Nothing runs on XP anymore - except for obsolete, soon-to-be-replaced systems which nobody cared about up until now (because they're unimportant). Get over it : XP is dead and if you want to have our computer running you need to uninstall OR disconnect it from the internet entirely; its not only danger to itself but also every other vulnerable computer out there. There will always be people who refuse to adapt - and these are always the same people who get left behind. If you want to be "different" simply buy a macintosh - if you want to have something "reliable" use linux - its no problem to keep the same version of linux for DECADES, most of the time. The only OS which "degrades" over time is windows - scriptkiddies keep creating attacks for obsolete software hence users NEED to stay updated, otherwise they soon will suffer the fate of ignorancy.
***** so what you're saying is you made numbers up and now you're insulting everyone. Additionally, you start making up words, also - what the shit is "putting words in my GUI" supposed to mean? Nevermind, i think its time for you to do your homework, young internet forum troll.
***** yes, yes - but : your homework. It needs to be done.
No USB 3.0 decode?, you should have splashed out on the usb module option @40k :).
that thing is running windows. I would've guessed it was running a custom software set.
Awsome!
140 thousand dollar scope - UI looks like Windows 3.11, brilliant!
And it's on Windows 7.
good for learning
Is that a big problem for a professional EE? :D Maybe you can make a video of it. Or just use a software compressor in your video editor. Most have one built in but if not there are hundreds of (free) VST and DX plugins out there.
If they wanted to use MacOS, Apple would probably make Agilent have only one button and if you touched the wrong side it would stop working :P
(you asked for it ^^)
Windows on an oscilloscope ... will it be a blue screen ... or a red ring death on this one, LOL
just after 20:55 - "I'm just fucking around with the clock recovery here, and really [...]"
140 grand? Who the heck makes it, Apple?! xD
HP. The real HP, not one of the two spun off computer divisions that own the name. And HP started in a Silicon Valley garage, way before Apple did.
I use the service from auphonic.com for speech normalisation
Oh, and it will probably be called "Superspeed+"
Meh, bet you can't double its bandwidth with a serial command though.. junk.. I'll take it away and get rid of it for you... :p
Vegas is capable of normalizing your sound
For that much money it should automatically tell you everything you ever want to know about what is plugged into it. And cook your dinner.
Never mind then...unless you roll your own which wouldn't be too hard if you found the time...
actually 140K
I want that scope so I can play Chuck-Rock on it!
You know what you do on the eevblog....
wtf 140.000$ really?? How is that possible?
*falls over from sheer awesomeness*
thats just the adapter, the scope is like 50k
yep
I'd try to put Linux on it. Apart from always having an up-to-date OS for that thing, you could even use Irssi to IRC while pretending to work! Awesomeness
its a windows PC,. you could probably run Doom on it
Thats some expensive shit 11K * 3 = 33K USD just for the probes.
Don't turn it on, take it apart!
140k for bare scope without any test apps.
Can you take that scope apart for teardown tuesday lol jokes.
$12,000 for a differential probe! (he's talking Aussie Dollars I guess?) Even so, Jeeeze...... AND a $120,000 for digital signal analyser.... The sad thing is, I want this type of shit in my workshop. No chance of retiring in the next 30 years then lol!
and when is that :D:D:D:D:D
You're doing it all wrong. You've missed this and you've missed that!
140 K with options he said :O
$140K bloody hell!