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- How much has oscilloscope technology developed in the last 5 years?
Dave compares the baseline $800 entry level scope from 5 years ago, the Rigol DS1052E / DS1102E, to the current $800 benchmark, the DS2072.
Demos of intensity graduated display, waveform update speed, LXI Ethernet interface control and waterfall plots, segmented memory waveform replay mode, and more.
Includes bonus gratuitous analog oscilloscope comparison.
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I really find Dave's equipment reviews interesting and helpful. Matter of fact Dave's reviews indirectly saved me about $489 U.S. I was considering buying a Agilent DSO1052B for $789.99 at Fry's electronics. But I did some research on the web, and when I Googled the Agilent model number the Rigol DS1052E came up. Having seen Dave's equipment review on the Rigol and checking a little further. I went with the Rigol. I don't need to pay $500 for an Agilent badge on my equipment. Thanks Dave!
No need to fret, this is not mis-titled. If you look at the specs of DS2XXX (www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds2000a/#tabs-1) you will see the only major difference is what bandwidth you want; which the low end $800 model is 70MHz (still better than the DS1052E) + the features Dave covers in the vid (which apply to all DS2XXX models).
Yes, sure I mentioned that in the video.
Your call. You can buy a heck of a logic analyser with CAN for half the price difference.
I WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE THIS VIDEO AND GIVE MY PERSONAL FEEDBACK AND OPINION
1. Ok....the date today is 11th December 2018
2. I literally bought my scope OFF THIS VIDEO's Recommendation, thanks again Dave, i have a fucking awesome scope, Don't regret it at all
so.. MY OPINION to the question in the video..
Do you buy the DS1000E Series vs the DS2000 Series ? *DS2000, HANDS DOWN*
that's the short answer
3. so now, 5.5 years approx. has gone by, My scope has not had a single fucking problem and it still looks brand new, for the most part
4. now let's discuss this question in the forum
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" JustMe9
You're not using the right scope. That's a 2202, and it ain't $800 "
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WARNING, I'M GOING TO GO INTO SOME DEPTH, so those of you who don't want to read JUST DON'T READ IT .. simple as that
ok, here's the deal
- the person asked dave,
should he save for 2 MONTHS and by the DS1052E
or save for 4 MONTHS and buy the DS2000 SERIES
FACT - Note that Dave said "DS200 Series" and he is showing a DS2202, However the description (Which i think is the root of this problem here) says "DS2072"
FACT - I Bought (What was badged as ( A DS2072A)
FACT - DS2202, DS2072, DS2072A are all part of the DS2000 Series (the only difference are some specs, AND THEY ARE UPGRADEABLE FOR FREE ANYWAY)
FACT - as we found out later on , THE BADGE IS BULLSHIT ANYWAY
FACT - My Scope (As i stated) is badged as DS2072A and yet, when i go into SYSTEM INFO it says DS2302A
Now let's compare those prices (According to rigol's website) which is also bullshit , because you can get the scopes cheaper, but let's do it anyway
DS2072A = $839
DS2302A = $1,849
HEHE.. big fucking difference huh
FACT, - When i got my scope , THAT I PAID (i think) $1,100 for (with no upgrades) i went to the EEV Blog Forum and learned how to upgrade my scope, and i'll get into that later
FACT - at 2:05 Dave states that THIS VIDEO WILL BE ABOUT COMPARING .........THE ADDITIONAL FEATURES..... OF THE DS2000 SERIES (note he said "SERIES") over the DS1000E Series
so Dave is correct
and from this point of view, it doesn't really fucking matter which one it was, you see the point was , WHICH ONE SHOULD THE GUY GET.
The answer is THE DS2000 Series
FACT - Just like i bought the DS2072A with the following basic specs
70 MHz Analog Bandwidth
2 Channels
1 Trigger Channel
2 G Sa/s
WITH NO OPTIONS UNLOCKED and i think the Mem depth was 14M Points
AFTER THE UPGRADE here is what my scope is now
300 MHz Analog Bandwidth
2 Channels
1 Trigger Channel
2 G Sa/s
56 M Points Memory Depth
all of the following OPTIONS were disabled (Actually at time of purchase they were UNLOCKED ON TRIAL and after a certain time it is disabled)
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OPTION TYPE OPTION NAME
ADVANCED TRIGGER Windows
Nth Edge
HDTV
Delay
Timeout
Dur
USB
DECODE RS-232
SPI
I2C
PROTOCOL ANALYSIS CAN
MEM DEPTH 56M/28M
BANDWIDTH 300M BANDWIDTH
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AND after the upgrade they were all unlocked (see Daves EEV Blog Forum for details)
hence
IF THE GUY BUYS THE DS2000 SERIES (regardless of which one) he could upgrade from 70MHz to 300MHz he could upgrade from standard Memory Depth to 56Mpts Memory depth
vs
the DS1000E series (which was approx. 5 years old at the time ) and was around $800 to purchase (i know , i checked) some places did them for $500 but most were $800
now in fairness the DS1000E was upgradeable, but still it wasn't a comparison
so DAVE WAS DISPLAYING WHAT WAS POSSIBLE (Even after upgrade) and let's be honest, why wouldn't you fucking upgrade it.
and that's what dave showed
it literally makes no fucking difference that he showed a DS2202 as opposed to a DS2072,
My scope started as a supposed $800 and is now upgraded to a supposed $1849 scope hehe
FACT - i played with my scope prior to upgrade, it was still FAR FAR BETTER Than the DS1052E.........Miles ahead of it
as dave said
- The probes
- The Display (i cannot stress how useful the wider display is ... to have a14 Division Time Base... hehe PRETTY FUCKING COOL and very useful
- Memory Depth 1Mpt (on the DS1000E) vs 14Mpts (without upgrade) and after , it's 56Mpts, it's not contest
- the Sample rate on the DS1000E is 1GSa/s the DS2000 Series is 2 GSa/s READ THIS... WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DS2202 and DS2102E so dave is actually using a scope with lower sample rate
- The Record feature is really cool and useful and the DS1000E doesn't have it
- The MASK PASS/FAIL feature is something i use a lot
- as for INTENSITY this is a useful feature that dave pointed out
- I DO ALSO WANT TO SAY THIS, i can set my scope to
a) 56 Mpts Memory Depth
b) 1V Per Div
c) Right down to 1.000 nano second per division (ok)
d) and just to push my luck, i can go to ACQUIRE / ACQUISITION and select HIGH RES
and after all that, THE PICTURE IS FUCKING BRILLIANT and the scope doesn't freeze and performs very well
truth be told there is really not much need MOST OF THE TIME TO USE HIGH RES , but it's there
Now look, this is getting kinda long, so let me try to sum this up a bit (let's just say it has a lot of fucking features)
*THE DS2000A IS A FUCKING ANIMAL*
i agree with daves conclusion (Even now, 5 years later), that being..
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD the DS2000 Series.... yes go with the lower model
PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY.
I BOUGHT MY SCOPE ON THE PREMISE (AND SORT OF A GAMBLE) THAT THE LOWER SCOPE WAS A WASTE OF MONEY............and i was right
SO TODAY'S DAY, WHAT IS NEW?...
WELL, THE BUZZ SEEMS TO BE
- forget the DS1052E
- Get the RIGOL DS1054Z (Which is the DS1000Z Series) I DISAGREE
let's compare
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DS2072A DS1054Z
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2 CHANNEL 4 CHANNEL (THIS IS THE SELLING POINT)
70MHz Bandwidth 50MHz (i'm not considering upgrades here, THIS IS JUST STOCK STANDARD)
Upgradeable to 300MHz Upgradeable to 200MHz
Ext Trigger. No Trigger hehe
2 GSa/s Sampling Rate 1 GSa/s
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CONCLUSION
*5 YEARS LATER THE DS2000 SERIES IS STILL BETTER* than the DS1054Z
these days the DS1054Z is like $400 and the DS2072A is like $800
i've seen people on gumtree selling their DS2000's for $400 so they could buy a DS1054Z LOL.... fucking stupid
i'VE ALSO SEEN PEOPLE SELLING THEIR DS1052E for $800 SO THEY CAN FUCK YOU OVER AND GET A DS2000 upgrade for free, while they leave you with the 10 year old model.
you can buy a brand new DS2000 for $800
WHY WOULD YOU TAKE A DS1000E INSTEAD.......THAT'S JUST FUCKING DUMB, i would pay no more than $150 for the DS1052E today
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY,
IT DIDN'T REALLY MATTER IF DAVE USED THE OTHER SCOPE
ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, it made no difference to the answer if Dave used a DS2072 or DS2202, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.
feel free to ask questions if you need to.
BE COOL GUYS, Hope this was informative
Updated question. Rigol DS1054Z vs DS2072 ? Is it still worth to buy a DS2000 series ?
I reach this video searching info about Rigel oscilloscopes.
But now, what I want is a tee short like yours...
I would get a OWON SDS7102V.
100mhz bandwidth, 1Gs/s, large 8" VGA screen, 3.5ns rise time, 10M points,
Plus battery, LAN, VGA-out options!
You can get it for about 450-500$!
Beauty!
the ds2202 is a $1600 dollar scope so that is something to consider when comparing it to a $325 1052
Did you even read the description or watch the video?
yes, but was still referring to the wrong model, the one he was using was not the model he was talking about, and it was much more expensive. good video tho, and i would love to have one. just a little out of my price range
Thanks for the comparison. I recently purchased at DS1052E because of budget constraints, but that soon will not be a problem. The DS2072 was a wishlist item that may become a reality soon. Now I just have to figure out what to do with the DS1052E! Worst problems could be had...
Rigol has it listed on their website for $839 USD
You would make a good oscilloscope salesman. The DS2202 looks amazing. If only I could afford one :(
You're not using the right scope. That's a 2202, and it ain't $800
good point. 2202 is around $1800-
I'm really surprised no one really seems to have noticed this. Kind of disappointing, the DS2202 is hella expensive compared to DS1052E. Heck, I'd expect it to make me pancakes in the morning for that pricetag lol
Official price for DS7072 does not include the serial Data decoding, the 56mpts memory expansion, and the advanced triggering mode. You gave these options as already included in the price. You have to pay more Dave and don't delete my comments. :)
wow, shout out on first blog post. awesome. =D
compare to what? where is the DS2072?? i see DS2202
Hi Dave ,
Thank's a lot for this video .
I will by DS1102D oscilloscope , is it good or bad for studying Rf , Switch mode power supply , Repairing TV's .... and Micro controller because it costs $910.65 in Egypt ???
My greetings from Egypt .
I've not considered a logic analyser because i wanted to check and see real bus signals. plus the other serial decode options are really useful. if these advanced decode options were on the 2000 series then that's what i would go for ai could do with a scope upgrade right now. Now that Agilent have brought them to what is i think there 2000 series
I've made a typo. I paid $850 for my DS1052D.
В общем-то это всего-лишь долларов на 30 дороже, чем на Aliexpress, зато я купил на очень выгодных для себя условиях: сначала получаю осциллограф, а деньги высылаю только убедившись в 100%-ной работоспособности устройства.
А тут сначала заплати, а потом неизвестно что придёт.
The DS1052E also has the waveform recording feature although it's not accessible from the front panel like the 2000 series you have to dig into the the utility menu. i'm running firmware 3.01
the one feature that might sway me is the intensity modulation. Having a DSO that can feel like an old analogue CRT jobbie, very nice.
Could be an interesting video to revisit next year?
I just bought the 1052E as my first scope because it had a really good reputation. It's super handy and I really don't need any greater performance or more features, but I wish I checked out some of the newer scopes around the same price because of the screen's low res and small size. By the way, the 1052E comes with the fancier 150MHz probes now.
jaycar have the one you got as the basic but named duratech
, round 499 i wish they had the ds2000 model
Electronics is more a hobby than a profession, so the DS1052 (im my case the the Siglent SDS1102CN) is more than enough. As a professional tool I would stat with the DS2072. If you buy cheap you buy twice.
Davie is this mistitled? Your high end scope nameplate says DS2202 instead of DS1102E.
I am curious what you think now dave, as I am now in the market for an Oscilloscope and some of the Rigol gear has been superseded within Rigol's Oscilloscope range. Visiting their website confirms this. Cheers for the video bud :-)
Dave can you design an all-in-one unit like, Oscilloscope, Signal generator and Spectrum Analyzer ? all together but for the price of one :)' I think is a great idea.
Will this scope (DS2072) interpret I2C and serial signals and output the data in addition to the waveforms? If yes, do you have to buy anything extra to unlock this functionality, or will it do this out of the box? Thanks!
Exactly the same, except 70MHz.
That analog one is by far my favorite. :) HEHEHEHEHEHEHEH really though. Love analog.
That's some of the best scope porn that I've ever seen Dave!!! :P
They really have come along way in 5 years..
Great video Dave
Only USB scopes have greater true >8bit ADC's, except for a couple of very expensive high end scopes.
I said that, and also put overlay text in the video saying that.
Best part of your video is your T-Shirt :-)
Joking, Thx for all the videos
Still talking over twice the cost for the base model, and that's without any of the optional extras >.
Are you serious? The 80286 isn't available today, nor a serious option for anyone considering buying. The DS1052 *is* still for sale, and it's a serious comparison question many people ask. So it's very valid to compare the DS2072 and see if it's worth twice the price of the DS1052E.
And b) the video remains an interesting look at the advanced in scope technology in five years in its own right.
No. I had no idea he did or said that. It comes from The Fonz. AFAIK, The Fonz two thumbs up predates Ebert.
I was watching this to get a comparison of the DS1052 to the DS2072 as the title says. How come the device in the video is actually a DS2202? How much difference does that make? Will the video still apply to the DS2072?
A 2202 costs twice as much; I know that much.
JustMe9 Yep. I'd like to buy a 2202, but it is way out of my price range. I did order a 2072 today and I'm hoping it will be pretty much like his 2202 other than 70mhz instead of 200.
Here in Russia you need to pay $1400 for DS2072. Almost two times greater than $800. Shipping is not included in this price. Bloody hucksters!
A week ago I bought DS1052D (equipped with LA). I paid 950$, including shipping.
AWW MAAAAN Just as my employer is having problems paying my wages every month, you go and show me this and i´m no longer happy with my 1052!!
(sarcastic mode)
"Thanks dave!"
(/sarcastic mode)
Rigol's website US$839 official retail price, and all US dealers have it for that price. It's also AU$839 in Australia. I can't speak for every country on the planet, and I said so in the video.
You missed the entire point of the video. I am comparing an $800 scope from 5 years with the same price $800 today. I did in order to show how the technology has progressed for the same price point.
Great comparison Dave. I think the decision would be a no-brainer to get the newer model if you could afford it. Even for a beginner, the added features will no doubt become invaluable in the future.
The reasons can be several. Price, firmware stability, hackability, and it's a known proven good and reliable machine. But yes, there are better feature set scopes for the same price.
Yes, I have the 200MHz version. The 70MHz version is identical apart from the bandwidth.
Hi, Dave. May you compare Rigol DS20xx with Tek DPO2002 and Agilent DSOX2002
Yes, the rigol (for example DS2072) is the cheapest from these 3 on the market, but you has Agilent. What's your opinion between these 2 scopes?
Also how fast powers rigol and agilent scopes?
Thanks, Niki.
Superb comparison.
good
The DS1052E was released at just under $800. It took at least a year before the prices fell, and then only in the last few years has it been $400 or so.
But doesn't the label say DS2202 (not DS2072) on the machine itself?
Id like to see how the 2000 series compares to the 4000 series. The high end decoding options are correctly only available on the 4000. That was similar with the Agilent series but recently they have added it to their lower series. I wonder if rigol will follow. Id like the can decoding but it's a big jump to the rigol 4000 series, so is it worth it?
That is the price now for the old rigol >.>
It used to be 800 bucks really ...
I was inspired to get the DS2072 by this video but It wont be easy to get one where I live. Instead, I could get a Ds1104b. Could someone please give me some advice about that? (I am a total noob I must say). Thank you in advance.
Unfortunately, the DS2072 is no longer $800, it's more like $1100,
And what about the Owon SDS7102? It is in roughly the same price range as the Rigol DS1052E but it has significantly more features and a larger screen. How would that compare?
Dave, this is unfair. If you expect double the bang for buck from a scope that costs twice as much, you are expecting it to have 4x the bang. You should compare them to see if they have equivalent or better bang per buck.
The DS2072 looks great, but when will they start using a high resolution OLED display like in mobile phones? It would be perfect for oscilloscopes.
Too bad he's actually using a DS220, which costs twice as much. lol He's got the wrong scope
Above it all i think ds1052 or even 1022 is good enough for audio (plus harmonics) signal analysis. If you never go above 200kHz, is it worth paying extra money for 2000 series?
In case people don't know, this scope is Made in China. Great product.
Can you/do you have a video on why an absolute beginner in electronics might need an oscilloscope? A "Oscilloscopes for Dummies" if you will.
The only difference between DS2072, 2102 and 2202 is the bandwidth (70, 100 and 200MHz). The rest of the features are exactly the same.
I can give one normal thumbs up and one Australian thumbs up, but one seems to be counterracting the other. I'll stick with the green one.
The 70mhz version Dave is showing here is about 970USD on a quick Google, the over 1000USD versions are higher bandwidth eg 200mhz.
Ill take the 2202 please . . .
Oscilloscopes are sooooooooooooooooooooo expensive....I always wanted one for spontaneous research, but not that price
can you please post a tutorial about satellite components electronics needed for amateurs ?
Feeling a little uneasy seeing you throw around those scopes around in the air at the beginning of the video...
the scope you are testing in the video says DS2202, which is ~$1600. How does the actual DS2072 compare?
When did he say that the rigol ds1052E come out?
Thank you
Was the two thumbs up a subtle reference to a particular movie critic that recently passed away?
Dave I am learning electronics from a guitar amp stand point. I am just getting to the point of taking interest in an oscilloscope. These scopes are way out of my price range. Is there a class or specific model(s) that would be a good beginning for a newbie? Thanks for the great videos man!
Now it is 3 times more expensive to get the DS2072 than 1052E
I might be a total tard for asking this, but. Im quite of a tech geek, and fell over this video among others.
What purpose does a oscilloscope serve, what would you get one of these for ? :)
it allows one to view oscillations of electronic signals, thus the name oscilloscope. So if you want to understand how electronic components interact or what happens when you change or add a component, use a scope, or o-scope for short. This is like a tape measure to a carpenter...measure twice...cut/change...measure...
I REALLY want to go with the 2000 series over a 1000 series. The DS1052E is most definitely not even in my consideration, but I HAVE been considering the MSO1074Z or MSO1074Z-S (with the built in 2 channel waveform generator). I'd be doing a lot of work that involves watching the timing of digital output sequences that trigger off of analog circuits... Basically, I REALLY would benefit from an MSO version over the DS version of these scopes. I also find 2 channels limiting, and miss the old 4 channel from my old job. Between doing three phase motors and 3 hall commutation (job related), and most of my aforementioned digital/analog circuits functioning in groups of fours... 4 channels is something I am REALLY set on... I see that there are NO 4 channel variants of the DS2000 or MSO2000 series, and that is a REAL bummer... It would seem that to get 4 channels, and an MSO, AND the more advanced features, it looks like I'd have to jump to an MSO4000 series, which is WAY too expensive for my budget.
I'd be willing to forgo the waveform gen, as I could get a stand alone unit for not THAT much more than the add on option, but yeah... It looks to me like I'm really bound to the MSO1074Z-S or MSO1104Z-S. The only difference being, do I pony up for the additional 30 MHz worth of bandwidth and make it a 100 MHz. I rarely work in anything too high in frequency... for now. I DO want to future proof myself, and it's one reason I'm HUGELY bummed there appears to be no 4 channel DS or MSO2000 series.
" Huh, It was a bit longer than I expected" I guess thats normal :D
Hey! I am looking to buy my first scope. I am torn between Rigol DS1054Z and Tek TBS1052B. Please help me decide. I do audio circuits and want to analyse small analogue processing and maybe tube amp circuits.
To think now we are in 2020 and they still sell the 1052E
I think the ds2072 is a real killer scope ...if your doing audio power supply etc..its also a storage scope! holly molly
(Thumb up) (Thumb up)
Any other wish, Dave? :-)
Just when I thought I was set for life with my new DS 1054Z (upgraded to DS 1104Z of course) I get knocked out of the water by this new 2202 model. Dave, you're such a miracle worker. Can't you make technology stand still long enough for me to catch up?
Look like my first Oscilloscope will be the Rigol DS2072. How does it feel when you hold it, the hardware is solid?
Hi, does the DS1074Z uses the same software and screen updates as the 2XXX ones? Is it sort of the 'next-gen' compared to 1052E?
Why did I buy the ds1052e? Or yeh dave recommend it. DDHHHHHHHOOOoooooo
The question becomes " Do you need the capability of the higher priced scope?" Why buy capability that you will never use?
features are incredible, but will you actually use then in anger? depends what you are doing, really.
Nice review. Looks like it has a real freq counter as opposed to the Agilent. Looks like my choice. Thanx mate- Bob
I think it's just a video label error.
Great video. Would be nice to see a side-by-side comparison of the Rigol DS2000 series and the Agilent 2000 X-Series.
This video (possibly) solved a looong lasting yet very frustrating question: which entry level oscilloscope to buy?! Is there any drawbacks or weaknesses of this scope found? Thanks a lot, excellent work!
Darn it, that makes me want to buy the 2072. I'm on the fence between these two Rigols. The 1052 is more than I need now, but the 2072 will be more than I'll need in 10 years so is probably the better investment.
4:27 looks like Broadcom's logo, Dave that waveform is trademarked lol
Nice one this DS2072, a great step forward I assume.
And honestly, I can understand that they sell licenses for these software upgrades like the decoding or the advanced(!) triggering (esp. because they wouldn't possibly exist at all without the licenses, they are a self paying product in a product). But I feel cheated about the additional memory upgrade to 56 Mpts you have to buy. I mean the additional memory is only software upgraded, wtf? 385$, seriously?
Hello Dave. I am in the market for an Oscilloscope. I am wanting a four channel. It didnt take me long to figure out I would be paying 3 to 4 times the price of a two channel. Would it be feasible just to buy two 2 channel scopes instead of one four channel? My main focus is for working on and designing guitar effects and amps. Love your videos.
Is there a built in hardware counter in the 1052?
The 2072 makes the 1052 look like a toy, really.
will this oscope work well for audio amplifier repair? I like the price for the digital oscope.
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