I worked for an arcade company in the midwest 1977-1980 while in computer maintenance school. I have lots of experience, but since im 70, I didnt think anyone ever needed it anymore. Your channel brings back memories. No, I havent lost my memory or mind quite yet. Bravo to you!!
Ted, you would be very surprised to find out that there are a TON of people who collect these, and even bars and things that still operate them. If you get time and want to look into it, go to www.KLOV.com and sign up for the forums there. All the arcade repair people hang out there, and hobbyists... you might find a use for your skills if you want to tune them up a little bit :) Thanks for watching, see you on the next video!
@@LyonsArcade by the way just give your video chat thumbs up here asking about and at the end of the video not the beginning? Also note to self show more more appreciation by giving a thumbs-up to more of the videos I watch that I enjoyed I don't know why I don't think to do that I guess I just watch him and forget to do it who knows I'll try to do better for those naysayers and also for the videos I really do appreciate I'm sure I'm not the only one that does that not intentionally though
Back in the 80's i worked at the local camera shop/newsstand, we installed a small game room (7 games) in a spare room and we had the Black Knight pinball. I was never any good at it but a fellow who worked at the florist next door was a pro. Good times.
Great video! I'm gradually getting it, thank you so much. My machines have been sitting dormant for years but they are coming back to life thanks to your great explanations.
The wiring diagram supports your theory. Since there is such a limited amount of input for the processing, it will use a matrix to know what was hit and where to activate. If you take a node or two of the matrix and make it malfunction, everything in the H/V grid lines can malfunction too. Also, thumbs up to anyone that restores these beauties!
@@LyonsArcade I've owned a Stern machine does that count? You seem to be unfamiliar with switch bounce, which is also a thing. www.allaboutcircuits.com/technical-articles/switch-bounce-how-to-deal-with-it/ Not sure why you are getting snippy, I never suggested that you were wrong, I just said this is also something that the cap does.
@@LyonsArcade That's kind of a crappy response to give to one of your viewers, even if you are correct. To be fair, you've been incorrect about technical things before in your videos and this guy has a fair, and valid, point. Just sayin', you could have went with, "That's an interesting point, but in my experience, the Ballys only use the diode to ensure quick response even with brief contact." "I know because I've actually touched one..." is very seventh-grade, yeah? Disappointing.
Feeling and esthetic are very nostalgic. But if you really check the quality inside,hardware,finition,solidity and conception. They are not 'golden age' is more by title,modele and label. Me,that was more the late 80 early 90..and custom version of old pin are great too (like T2,Tales from the crypt,Elvira..).
"Look for a toothpaste cap" I'm like: What kind of silly hack is this going to be? (Microfarad ;) ) Another great machine Christine-ing itself! I'm leaving my comment below only after being reminded for the fifth time. "What a lovely sight!" Well said.
Sometimes you find the craziest stuff in games, there was a famous 'situation' back in the day on the newsgroups I believe (pinball boards) where a guy bought an old game, and when he opened it up, there was a huge snake tangled in the wiring harness under the playfield that was still alive. He left it outside and went back a couple hours later and the snake had slithered his way out and left, lol
@@LyonsArcade yikes! My last game, I found a pair of readers glasses. I contacted the estate sale people, they said they weren't there owners. So bonus I guess.
you missed showing the secret under playfield fuse. it amazing how much that fuse has saved me when buying project pinball games when the solenoids don't work and its only a very minor problem because no one knows about it.
The clipped off caps and the upside-down plumb bob, tells me a real hack tried to repair this game. I'm glad it's in your hands now this game is a classic
I bought a DFR8 Uniden Radar detector on Amazon. It should show up on your sheet. I have read good things about the DFR8 and DFR9. The 9 has GPS lockout, which is really nice, but it adds almost 100 dollars to the price. I will let you know how it works. Supposed to eliminate a lot of false alerts from X and from collision avoidance systems in other vehicles.
Very cool thank you OCSRC! Are you in the US? I dont' see it on there yet but I think it will go through. I haven't been able to get the links to work in the ap yet I think it only works on a desktop or on a web browser on your phone but i'm still figuring it all out.
@@LyonsArcade I am in Quakertown, PA, just south of Allentown, hour north of Philly. Amazon is supposed to put a cookie on the computer when you click the link, and I don't know how long that cookie lasts, so I try to remember to click the link before I order. I am not sure if I need to clear the browser history and close the browser before doing the ordering. I use Firefox. Each browser is different in the way it handles cookies and some block them without ever telling you they block them. I get popups every time I try to access my bank or paypal, and I have to click to allow the page to do whatever it is doing and it usually reopens the browser. In the old days of Windows XP, you could look in the cookie folder and open the txt file for each site, and see when the cookie was placed and when it expires. Now, with Windows 10, I have no clue where they keep the data, or if you can get to it at all. They have encrypted a lot of the OS. My TH-cam name is actually an acronym for where I used to work. Orbital Communication Satellite Relay Center A lot of people wonder if it is a name and they don't know how to pronounce it. We used to refer to it as "OSCAR" I am no longer able to work. Had an aortic aneurysm in 2013, had to have emergency heart surgery. New aorta, valves, arteries. It worked for a while, but now I have CHF, congestive heart failure. It hurts, very painful. No one ever mentions that fact. And trying to get pain medicine, with this BS prescription opioid crisis, is impossible. So most days I am stuck in bed, in pain so bad I can't get up, and TH-cam is a great thing to have when I am not in too much pain to watch. When I can get pain medicine, I can actually do work around the house, the yard, on my truck, but without it, I am bed ridden. I tell everyone, don't put anything off. Do what you want to do, take a trip, do it while you still can, because you never know when you will be struck down with something like this. I was lucky, in that the pain was so bad. Most people with a AAA, ascending aortic aneurysm, never feel any pain, and it just ruptures and you die, almost on the spot. My low pain threshold really helped me, because i went to the ER and they did a scan, and they did the surgery a few hours later. I had started to split the aorta and it was leaking blood into my chest. Very bad, but I am still here. God must have a reason, that's all I can figure.
If the diodes are in a switch matrix, you need the diodes to stop ghost events. Tricky to explain in words only, but if you have have two switches activated, then it can look as though four are active. Unlikely to happen in a single ball machine but more likely with multi-ball playfield.
the player 1 score display might have been blocked by the tilt-switch. (it was tilting during the turn of player 1, so that might be meant as an indication that he's being punished for the tilting)
Something funky with the KISS lights on the back box. The first “S” doesn’t sequence like it looks like it should? Didn’t you say that was a special board? Should be an interesting repair! (I remembered to hit the thumbs-up button today!)
I think i hear a relay or solenoid locked on :D btw... how many times the tilt switch was an issue in the last rebuilds... many times the tilt was an issue.... i'm not surprised that it was this time :D..... and it figures why too..... storage of the pinball machine.... :)
Try pressing the left flipper button, games that old didn't have on/off switches, but if you plugged it in and it's dark, pressing the left flipper button would turn on the lights. To turn it off you were supposed to slap the bottom of the game which opens a bounce switch to turn it off.
On the diodes ...are they pretty much all the same value as far the early bally machines go? In other words can i order like a 50 piece pack and use them on the early solid state ballys/sterns?
I must have said diodes at some point but there are two things on each switch, a diode (one was broken as I remember) and a capacitor (12 were missing)... but yes, they are the exact same on all the early ballys and Sterns, and yes you can just order like 50 or 100 of them and be set for a long time. You can get them on Amazon or Ebay, I think I mentioned the part number to both in the video here somewhere.
If you want to get rid of that nasty "background" sound you have to isolate the soundboard ground against the backbox. Two stripes of tape should do that job. With that workaround you should have clean sound.
@@LyonsArcade I Would say check 1. The flipper plungers and sleeves 2. The coin door mech wires the outer two should be the same number switch 3. The 3rd player and player number displays 4. The kiss board 5. Then replace blown bulbs 6. Then pop bumper caps 7. Check to see if kiss and arrow matrix works 8. Triple thick the back glass if necessary 9. Install back glass and soak it all in 10. Make video of playing game I noticed that one version of the coin door has a kiss logo between the coin mechs. www.pinballmania.com/images/machinesLg/282_10.JPG
Looking at the schematic for the replacement board it seems to still have a real 6800 processor. There are some obvious component count savings, most notably consolidating all the roms into one big rom chip and consolidating the address decoding logic into a programable logic chip.
I dunno man I was thinking that but I have it on good authority from Mr. In My Head that it's doing what it's supposed to do and he knows more about KISS than anybody within 100 miles of here :)
They are all there at the end of the video when he did the final test so the sound board was working as it should, but yeah there were definitely a few missing notes earlier though.
Yet again - The Tilt Switch.... Almost like..... groundhog day............ starting again........................................................................................................................ Oh no!
Thank you for letting me know Kevin, it seems to be working because i'm getting people ordering things today, maybe it's just a Firefox thing though....
@@LyonsArcade I used another browser and copied and pasted the link from it on Firefox and then it showed your referral when I purchased a flywheel kit for my mower. Looking forward to more. :)
I worked for an arcade company in the midwest 1977-1980 while in computer maintenance school. I have lots of experience, but since im 70, I didnt think anyone ever needed it anymore. Your channel brings back memories. No, I havent lost my memory or mind quite yet. Bravo to you!!
Ted, you would be very surprised to find out that there are a TON of people who collect these, and even bars and things that still operate them. If you get time and want to look into it, go to www.KLOV.com and sign up for the forums there. All the arcade repair people hang out there, and hobbyists... you might find a use for your skills if you want to tune them up a little bit :) Thanks for watching, see you on the next video!
@@LyonsArcade Thank you very much!
At 4:08 it's playing "Shout It Out Loud"
Thank you sir!
Ok I do hear it now.
@@LyonsArcade by the way just give your video chat thumbs up here asking about and at the end of the video not the beginning?
Also note to self show more more appreciation by giving a thumbs-up to more of the videos I watch that I enjoyed I don't know why I don't think to do that I guess I just watch him and forget to do it who knows I'll try to do better for those naysayers and also for the videos I really do appreciate I'm sure I'm not the only one that does that not intentionally though
The song it plays at the end of the game is the chorus to "shout it out loud" it's the melody to the words "shout it, shout it, shout it out loud"
Thanks man, I knew you would know :)
@@LyonsArcade it's all in his head :D
I remember playing this when I was a kid. But my favorite, my absolute favorite was Wiliiams' Black Knight. That was the best pinball game ever.
I think you meant to say Firepower
Black Knight is a great game too!
Back in the 80's i worked at the local camera shop/newsstand, we installed a small game room (7 games) in a spare room and we had the Black Knight pinball. I was never any good at it but a fellow who worked at the florist next door was a pro. Good times.
Great video! I'm gradually getting it, thank you so much. My machines have been sitting dormant for years but they are coming back to life thanks to your great explanations.
The wiring diagram supports your theory. Since there is such a limited amount of input for the processing, it will use a matrix to know what was hit and where to activate. If you take a node or two of the matrix and make it malfunction, everything in the H/V grid lines can malfunction too. Also, thumbs up to anyone that restores these beauties!
Thank you leathernluv we appreciate you watching!
The back of the playfield is tidy! Lovin’ the repair vids! 😎😎
Yes this one was still in decent shape!
If you're having KISS problems, I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems, but a switch ain't one! Nice work! 👍
ha I see what you did there :) Thanks for watching Jefe!
Excellent work on the game. I really am impressed. Gives me the faith to try and replace my brake lines.
You can definitely do it!
I believe the caps also serve as protection against 'switch bounce'; scoring more than once when hitting a switch.
Have you ever owned a Bally pinball machine? I have, and what I said they do in the video is what they do because I've actually touched one
@@LyonsArcade I've owned a Stern machine does that count? You seem to be unfamiliar with switch bounce, which is also a thing.
www.allaboutcircuits.com/technical-articles/switch-bounce-how-to-deal-with-it/
Not sure why you are getting snippy, I never suggested that you were wrong, I just said this is also something that the cap does.
@@LyonsArcade That's kind of a crappy response to give to one of your viewers, even if you are correct. To be fair, you've been incorrect about technical things before in your videos and this guy has a fair, and valid, point. Just sayin', you could have went with, "That's an interesting point, but in my experience, the Ballys only use the diode to ensure quick response even with brief contact." "I know because I've actually touched one..." is very seventh-grade, yeah? Disappointing.
@@mrmustard-mp6ij I think maybe Ron was having a few beers and having a little fun with me 😉
Thumbs up at the beginning. But I always watch to the end 👍👍
Nearly there !...cheers.
Late 70s and early 80s put out the best pins, in my opinion.
Feeling and esthetic are very nostalgic.
But if you really check the quality inside,hardware,finition,solidity and conception.
They are not 'golden age' is more by title,modele and label.
Me,that was more the late 80 early 90..and custom version of old pin are great too (like T2,Tales from the crypt,Elvira..).
"Look for a toothpaste cap" I'm like: What kind of silly hack is this going to be? (Microfarad ;) ) Another great machine Christine-ing itself! I'm leaving my comment below only after being reminded for the fifth time. "What a lovely sight!" Well said.
Sometimes you find the craziest stuff in games, there was a famous 'situation' back in the day on the newsgroups I believe (pinball boards) where a guy bought an old game, and when he opened it up, there was a huge snake tangled in the wiring harness under the playfield that was still alive. He left it outside and went back a couple hours later and the snake had slithered his way out and left, lol
@@LyonsArcade yikes! My last game, I found a pair of readers glasses. I contacted the estate sale people, they said they weren't there owners. So bonus I guess.
Thanks for the videos. Hope you're well.
We have been, thank you for watching!
Long bonus tallying? I loved that on some of the machines also.
I suspect the operators didn't think much of that idea. Make the game quicker!
Yeah I'll bet the ops hated that, lol
Want one of those! Kiss pinball is Awsome!
It is a very cool machine!
you missed showing the secret under playfield fuse. it amazing how much that fuse has saved me when buying project pinball games when the solenoids don't work and its only a very minor problem because no one knows about it.
@23:32 .. pay closer attention :)
The clipped off caps and the upside-down plumb bob, tells me a real hack tried to repair this game. I'm glad it's in your hands now this game is a classic
An operator probably cut the switch caps to keep the game running and earning money
@@Mrpinbologist Yeah... it's a quick cheat
I bought a DFR8 Uniden Radar detector on Amazon. It should show up on your sheet. I have read good things about the DFR8 and DFR9. The 9 has GPS lockout, which is really nice, but it adds almost 100 dollars to the price. I will let you know how it works. Supposed to eliminate a lot of false alerts from X and from collision avoidance systems in other vehicles.
Very cool thank you OCSRC! Are you in the US? I dont' see it on there yet but I think it will go through. I haven't been able to get the links to work in the ap yet I think it only works on a desktop or on a web browser on your phone but i'm still figuring it all out.
@@LyonsArcade I am in Quakertown, PA, just south of Allentown, hour north of Philly. Amazon is supposed to put a cookie on the computer when you click the link, and I don't know how long that cookie lasts, so I try to remember to click the link before I order.
I am not sure if I need to clear the browser history and close the browser before doing the ordering.
I use Firefox. Each browser is different in the way it handles cookies and some block them without ever telling you they block them.
I get popups every time I try to access my bank or paypal, and I have to click to allow the page to do whatever it is doing and it usually reopens the browser.
In the old days of Windows XP, you could look in the cookie folder and open the txt file for each site, and see when the cookie was placed and when it expires.
Now, with Windows 10, I have no clue where they keep the data, or if you can get to it at all.
They have encrypted a lot of the OS.
My TH-cam name is actually an acronym for where I used to work.
Orbital Communication Satellite Relay Center
A lot of people wonder if it is a name and they don't know how to pronounce it.
We used to refer to it as "OSCAR"
I am no longer able to work. Had an aortic aneurysm in 2013, had to have emergency heart surgery. New aorta, valves, arteries. It worked for a while, but now I have CHF, congestive heart failure.
It hurts, very painful. No one ever mentions that fact. And trying to get pain medicine, with this BS prescription opioid crisis, is impossible.
So most days I am stuck in bed, in pain so bad I can't get up, and TH-cam is a great thing to have when I am not in too much pain to watch.
When I can get pain medicine, I can actually do work around the house, the yard, on my truck, but without it, I am bed ridden.
I tell everyone, don't put anything off. Do what you want to do, take a trip, do it while you still can, because you never know when you will be struck down with something like this.
I was lucky, in that the pain was so bad. Most people with a AAA, ascending aortic aneurysm, never feel any pain, and it just ruptures and you die, almost on the spot.
My low pain threshold really helped me, because i went to the ER and they did a scan, and they did the surgery a few hours later.
I had started to split the aorta and it was leaking blood into my chest. Very bad, but I am still here.
God must have a reason, that's all I can figure.
Muahaha. I should look for a toothpastecap. Thanks for that advice! ;D
It's probably breaking countless machines!
nice to see you put the diodes back on even though it works with out them
It kind of needs them or it won't score very well, you'll hit stuff a lot and it not score. They were caps though but I might have said Diodes...
If the diodes are in a switch matrix, you need the diodes to stop ghost events. Tricky to explain in words only, but if you have have two switches activated, then it can look as though four are active. Unlikely to happen in a single ball machine but more likely with multi-ball playfield.
the player 1 score display might have been blocked by the tilt-switch. (it was tilting during the turn of player 1, so that might be meant as an indication that he's being punished for the tilting)
Yeah I think you may be correct with that....
Thank u for another great video guys !! :) x
You have my thumb as always! :)
Aw thanks
Something funky with the KISS lights on the back box. The first “S” doesn’t sequence like it looks like it should? Didn’t you say that was a special board? Should be an interesting repair! (I remembered to hit the thumbs-up button today!)
We'll get to that soon!
I think i hear a relay or solenoid locked on :D btw... how many times the tilt switch was an issue in the last rebuilds... many times the tilt was an issue.... i'm not surprised that it was this time :D..... and it figures why too..... storage of the pinball machine.... :)
The solenoid test that you done sounded like the intro to Pink Floyd Money
A little bit, yup!
Laughed my ass off, had to show 'em how to fix my brakes only cost me 80 bucks. What a guy.
LOL It was a pretty good story he did a video about it...
12! 12 diodes installed! AH AH AH AHHH IM gonna rock and pinball all night!
Count:One ball drained... two balls drained
Onlooker: Umm, Count, you are supposed to use the flippers.
Count: Where's the fun in that?
When I was a kid, he was my favorite!
Shout it... Shout it... Shout it out Loud.....that's the song at the end
Thank you Michel!
I have a 1959 madenmazelle where is on and off switch located I've looked everywhere
Try pressing the left flipper button, games that old didn't have on/off switches, but if you plugged it in and it's dark, pressing the left flipper button would turn on the lights. To turn it off you were supposed to slap the bottom of the game which opens a bounce switch to turn it off.
Thumbs up👍
Thanks Rusty!
On the diodes ...are they pretty much all the same value as far the early bally machines go? In other words can i order like a 50 piece pack and use them on the early solid state ballys/sterns?
I must have said diodes at some point but there are two things on each switch, a diode (one was broken as I remember) and a capacitor (12 were missing)... but yes, they are the exact same on all the early ballys and Sterns, and yes you can just order like 50 or 100 of them and be set for a long time. You can get them on Amazon or Ebay, I think I mentioned the part number to both in the video here somewhere.
@@LyonsArcade your the man !!! Thank you
Gave a thumbs up at thirty seconds in to the video.
Thanks Hunter's Moon, glad you're here!
Almost done 😁👍
We're getting there, still needs some minor things!
It's funny when I watch this I think of Matthew McConaughey giving me pinball Tech tips
He sounds just like me!
Have u seen the new heavy metal pinball machine from stern?
If you want to get rid of that nasty "background" sound you have to isolate the soundboard ground against the backbox. Two stripes of tape should do that job. With that workaround you should have clean sound.
Song: Shout it shout it shout it out loud!
Thank you Cogitare :)
The last song is "Shout it out loud!"
And according to Donnie's video fixing the brakes on the other side, it was the best spent 80 dollars in his life 😂
He's a trip, wait till you see what he's doing lately, LOL We're filming a bunch of videos that we haven't uploaded yet.
One step at a time.
We're getting there, what's next?
@@LyonsArcade I Would say check
1. The flipper plungers and sleeves
2. The coin door mech wires the outer two should be the same number switch
3. The 3rd player and player number displays
4. The kiss board
5. Then replace blown bulbs
6. Then pop bumper caps
7. Check to see if kiss and arrow matrix works
8. Triple thick the back glass if necessary
9. Install back glass and soak it all in
10. Make video of playing game
I noticed that one version of the coin door has a kiss logo between the coin mechs.
www.pinballmania.com/images/machinesLg/282_10.JPG
@35:39 "and don't call me Shirley"
Bally games of this vintage will only show the lowest stuck switch number. You have to clear stuck switch 7 to see 20.
My mom saying is...
Take out the big shit first then the small shit becomes much more easier to deal with.
so that cpu replacement board... does it use the original firmware? or is it a clone??
It uses the original software but no the hardware is different.
You can find more info here
allteksystems.com/products/ultimate-mpu-universal-bally-stern-replacement-board
Looking at the schematic for the replacement board it seems to still have a real 6800 processor. There are some obvious component count savings, most notably consolidating all the roms into one big rom chip and consolidating the address decoding logic into a programable logic chip.
there are notes missing from the music for sure
I dunno man I was thinking that but I have it on good authority from Mr. In My Head that it's doing what it's supposed to do and he knows more about KISS than anybody within 100 miles of here :)
They are all there at the end of the video when he did the final test so the sound board was working as it should, but yeah there were definitely a few missing notes earlier though.
Yet again - The Tilt Switch....
Almost like..... groundhog day............ starting again........................................................................................................................
Oh no!
As long as they don't Christine Sixteen themselves...
YIKES
I don't recognize that as well.
Love the channel. Check your USA Amazon link. All it does on firefox is link to amazon with no referral tag.
Thank you for letting me know Kevin, it seems to be working because i'm getting people ordering things today, maybe it's just a Firefox thing though....
@@LyonsArcade I used another browser and copied and pasted the link from it on Firefox and then it showed your referral when I purchased a flywheel kit for my mower. Looking forward to more. :)
Rubber baby thumper bumper, rubber baby thumper...
buggay bumpahs!
It should play "Beth" when you lose the ball.
Ok
Gene Simmons probably licked the switches.