Was great to see Ao pop off. But what I REALLY want to know is if Higher recorded the 'Charles sacrifices Ao to Ashnod's Altar and looks at the top Seven cards of his deck' individually or did it once and looped it.
Ah, dangit, I screwed up Game 2 and didn’t sacrifice Sanctifier En-Vec first before I sacked Ao at around 17:50. Higher, we’re gonna have to redo this and you’re going to have to read everything again lol.
didn't you have the win already once you had bomberman out and LED in yard? make infinite mana, sac a creature pay for deathmantle vial damage triggers and rinse repeat?
@@gorzakMtG Yes. However, in the audio of that game, Cal wanted to know if I could loop through my entire deck and win with RoL in play, so I showed him I could do just that. This way, you can see as many of the win cons in this deck in one showing since I flip through a large portion of it.
I saw it coming when Nim Deathmantle was ignored. In fact, it should be the most valuable card alongside Ashnod's Altar for game 2, as they can loop with anything that puts an extra creature on the battlefield: persist/undying creatures, creatures that make tokens when they enter or die, creatures that reanimate when they enter or die, and so on.
First game was nuts. Nobody paid attention to Charles due to mana screw, and ended screwing everyone else XD. Game 2 no one expected the combo (me neither) and...... kaput, everyone else's dead.
8:39 Fun rules fact: If a creature changes controllers during the combat step, it is removed from combat. It might have been the correct choice to activate the Path now, of course. This is just something to think about in the future!
Ok but seriously, where are people finding these nice full proxies for their decks! I want to do something similar and I’m curious if there’s some sort of mass entry I can do
What's that "chains of mephistopheles" Adam's deck runs in the second game coming into play at 13:09. That card only exists in two old versions, it's a proxy I assume?
Ao is stronger than it seems. Phyrexian Altar plus Helm of the Host is a free Ao trigger each table rotation. Nim Deathmantle is very strong too with the Altar. And there are two or three draw engines in white which give you cards for putting onto the field low mana value creatures.
As someone interested in starting their own MtG gameplay channel, playing with others long distance, is there any equipment you could suggest starting out?? Card pool is no issue, it’s just the camera and such.
First game : Any reason Adam attacked Cal with his double striked 14/14 ishai rather than Charles who clearly was a bigger threat at that point ? :/ I can't see clearly the board of charles but afaik he didn't have a blocker. Second game : why didn't Cal cast his brainstorm during the endstep of Charles turn 1 ? He would have had his two mana free during his turn, meaning solring into malcolm T1 was a real option. Is it to draw an additional card before fetching ? (I'm not asking to attack the play validity but to try and understand the strategy behind)
Spoilers! Couldn’t Charles have made infinite mana through Auriok salvagers and LED that second game, and looped LED with extort triggers through blind obedience to win? Am I missing something?
I could have killed them with the Salvager combo, but they wanted to see the other combo kill, which involved not needing cast anymore spells after the first spell was cast.
Cool games guys. I might be missing something, but Nim Deathmantle's trigger costs 4 and Charles is only sac'ing 1 creature most of the time? That's 2 mana short each time.
When Ao was being looped by Deathmantle why did he only need to sacrifice one creature to ashnod's alter and not two? Doesn't ashnods give 2 mana, but you need 4 mana to activate nim deathmantle? What am I missing?
The list I ran didn't have enough of an artifact density to really make KCI work. On top of that, KCI is 4 mana which eats up one whole Ao trigger, whereas you ideally want a permutation of 2 2 drops or a 3 drop plus 1 drop so you're netting positive on each flip. In Higher's version of Ao, he's running way more artifacts which makes KCI more viable there. His version also forgoes more of the stax to B-line in a faster combo win.
@@Ilvaldi Right. Enough artifacts, though, and KCI seems like a worthy inclusion. I feel like it wouldn't be too hard to hit a critical mass of artifacts. All those mana rocks basically pay for another activation and then some. Definitely more for an all-combo deck. I'm probably going to have to work on a list now.
Great to see Ao loops. But couldn't he have stopped when he had bomberman online and flipped into the ranger captain? He get's ballista with captain to win....though not nearly as interesting lol.
"This is a budget-list version of Yuriko" ...opening draw contains Chains of Mephistopheles... Different definitions of budget, I guess. TCG mid of $1,583.93?
Couldn’t Charles have won the moment get he got Auriok Salvagers? Make infinite mana for Nim Death Mantle and then proceed to keep looping without having to do the very time consuming resolving of Ao triggers. Although I do get playing it safe and having as much on the board as possible.
I was thinking the exact same thing. If somebody was going to interact, they would’ve definitely done it sooner and not waited that late in the combo to do it.
Yes, but the players wanted to know if I could win without ever casting another spell again, so I did the non-deterministic loop in the deck to give them a demonstration. This way, to the viewers, they can see what other win cons exist in the list as I flip over through most of them. There’s quite a few combo lines in this deck.
@@Ilvaldi That’s cool nice demonstration of “challenge accepted” especially when you get to show off your deck instead of winning with a known loop. That’s why I love cEDH in a more casual pod your non deterministic loop would have been the stuff of legend in so far as people people feeling salty because you took up a lot of gameplay time. And I don’t say that derisively to either community or you. I’m glad you got to do that and had a group of players happy to watch the show. I enjoyed it, “like where was this gonna go lol”
If You’ve ever complained about krark but thought the second game was cool and fun, you’re just jealous you’re not the one taking all the game actions. The Ao loop is definitely cool but if I were in the game I might have gotten up to get a snack
Once charles found auriok salvagers, led, and grand abolisher, why didnt he just loop led for the mana before continuing to combo out? Wouldve taken the thought out of it and would stop him from running the risk of failing to find and fizzling his combo
The failure rate of finding something at that point was 0%. In the raw footage of this game, I explained to Adam and Cal that I can kill the table now without ever casting another spell once I've assembled the non-deterministic loop and they wanted to see how. Hence, why I continued looping through the deck to flip everything over and killing them. The deck runs a similar average cmc as an Ad Naus list, except it's more creature/hatebear heavy (and can combo through its own hate). Hence why people have been calling it, "Mono-W Ad Naus."
Decklists
Ao - bit.ly/S15E10-Ao
Hinata - bit.ly/S15E10-Hinata
Tevesh/Ishai - bit.ly/S15E10-Tevez-Ishai
Malcolm/Tana - bit.ly/S15E10-Malcolm-Tana
Yuriko - bit.ly/S15E10-Yuriko-Budget
Yuriko - bit.ly/S15E10-Yuriko-Budgetless
5 solid minutes of describing a nim deathmantle
combo
youz a hero
Was great to see Ao pop off. But what I REALLY want to know is if Higher recorded the 'Charles sacrifices Ao to Ashnod's Altar and looks at the top Seven cards of his deck' individually or did it once and looped it.
Ah, dangit, I screwed up Game 2 and didn’t sacrifice Sanctifier En-Vec first before I sacked Ao at around 17:50. Higher, we’re gonna have to redo this and you’re going to have to read everything again lol.
That was absolutely glorious Charles :D Felt incredibly janky and I loved every second of it
didn't you have the win already once you had bomberman out and LED in yard? make infinite mana, sac a creature pay for deathmantle vial damage triggers and rinse repeat?
@@gorzakMtG Yes. However, in the audio of that game, Cal wanted to know if I could loop through my entire deck and win with RoL in play, so I showed him I could do just that. This way, you can see as many of the win cons in this deck in one showing since I flip through a large portion of it.
Sanctifier only exiles red or black..?
@@hang03 Nim Deathmantle turns the equipped creature into a Black Zombie.
Some say Ao is still looping to this day.
Man higher had their work cut out for them narrating that game 😂
You should’ve seen the DM Higher sent me after narrating my game lmao.
I saw it coming when Nim Deathmantle was ignored. In fact, it should be the most valuable card alongside Ashnod's Altar for game 2, as they can loop with anything that puts an extra creature on the battlefield: persist/undying creatures, creatures that make tokens when they enter or die, creatures that reanimate when they enter or die, and so on.
We can hear Higher's fatigue narrating Ao's loop! hahaha! we feel you bro!
Great line though! Awesome deck that Ao! Never seen it in action! :D
First game was nuts. Nobody paid attention to Charles due to mana screw, and ended screwing everyone else XD. Game 2 no one expected the combo (me neither) and...... kaput, everyone else's dead.
8:39
Fun rules fact:
If a creature changes controllers during the combat step, it is removed from combat. It might have been the correct choice to activate the Path now, of course. This is just something to think about in the future!
It wasn't swinging at him, so there was no upside to removing it from combat.
I almost feel like Charles is on a one-man crusade to show mono-white is valid in cEDH :P
I love Highers' energy while narrating
Birdslapped is not a word I knew I needed in my vocabulary
I legitimately laughed out loud
@@TRS-Aphelion I have tears in my eyes from the fierce delivery he put on it.
That Homeward Path was godly 😂😂😂😂
I love seeing mono-white piloted so well! Such an underrated color.
Just wondering if there is an updated deck list for Ao? The one that's in the link is not the one that was played on the video.
There is an updated list and it's on my Moxfield. Just search for the user, "Ilvaldi," and the list is called, "F.U.Y.A."
@@Ilvaldi Thanks! This deck looks fun to play!
Love seeing Charles showcase his mono-white decks.
6:13
Take me to the land where candy is thrown in such a manner.
This is my favorite episode of the new voice. Really dig it
When was the last time we saw a cEDH game where every player was eliminated with combat
damage?
Literally the last PWP episode (the Mox Pearl one) Game 1 :D
Godo Bandit Warlord and Finale of Detestation decks technically do win through combat, even if they combo to get there.
Had to like for the Ao Narration loop
Ok but seriously, where are people finding these nice full proxies for their decks! I want to do something similar and I’m curious if there’s some sort of mass entry I can do
What happened to the vintage gameplay? I was really enjoying those videos. CEDH is good too tho
I think most valuable card in game 2 should be oswald, he can assemble all the combo by himself.
Holy Cow! This is why i absolutely love mono colored decks!
What's that "chains of mephistopheles" Adam's deck runs in the second game coming into play at 13:09. That card only exists in two old versions, it's a proxy I assume?
With Auriok Salvagers + Grand Abolisher + Relic Vial isn't Charles just flexing instead of finishing them off?
Yes a bit. It's explained in another comment, but someone in the game wanted to know whether it could win through a Rule of Law
Ao is stronger than it seems. Phyrexian Altar plus Helm of the Host is a free Ao trigger each table rotation. Nim Deathmantle is very strong too with the Altar. And there are two or three draw engines in white which give you cards for putting onto the field low mana value creatures.
As someone interested in starting their own MtG gameplay channel, playing with others long distance, is there any equipment you could suggest starting out?? Card pool is no issue, it’s just the camera and such.
geez, mono white had no mercy! awesome deck
Ao in action is so fun to watch
Charles is a God when it comes to deck building
He Sacrifices Ao
Each opponent loses 2 life
OW. OW. OW . OW
Game 1 comments: Really cool, liked the interactions and strategies.
Game 2 comments: bruh
Charles: I'm gonna win but first lemme show you all the cards in my deck...
Ha, Charles and his mono-white builds, he always does it!
Is this some kind of tuned down low power episode?
Barely saw tutors and the usual combos combos.
before I even watch this game - I love Cal's aggressive mulligan
Sometimes you gotta get bird slapped! Lol
First game : Any reason Adam attacked Cal with his double striked 14/14 ishai rather than Charles who clearly was a bigger threat at that point ? :/ I can't see clearly the board of charles but afaik he didn't have a blocker.
Second game : why didn't Cal cast his brainstorm during the endstep of Charles turn 1 ? He would have had his two mana free during his turn, meaning solring into malcolm T1 was a real option. Is it to draw an additional card before fetching ?
(I'm not asking to attack the play validity but to try and understand the strategy behind)
are these games all played over the stream/internet or is this a IRL tournament?
Wow, such a nice win 🤯
Damn that mono white pop off
I'm so confused. How is charles paying the nim death mantle 4 with only sacrificing one creature to ashnods for 2?
He basically sacrifice Ao for 2 and another creature for another 2.
@@farleinfortenia3896 omg I can't believe I didn't notice that. Thanks!
Thank you soo much, i habe the same questionmark over my head!🙈🤣
Finally, the Ao episode!
Spoilers!
Couldn’t Charles have made infinite mana through Auriok salvagers and LED that second game, and looped LED with extort triggers through blind obedience to win? Am I missing something?
he just went for the flashy win
I could have killed them with the Salvager combo, but they wanted to see the other combo kill, which involved not needing cast anymore spells after the first spell was cast.
Did I miss something or was flusterstorm payable in game 1?
Mono white Ad Naus! 🐓
Ah cheaper version than shinto: first hand chains of Mephistopheles jsjss, i laughted
Is this the same charles as from the spike feeders or another? Feel like I've seen a monowhite charles before
This is the same Charles that's on the Mind Sculptors and the Mono-White Guys Podcast.
Cool games guys. I might be missing something, but Nim Deathmantle's trigger costs 4 and Charles is only sac'ing 1 creature most of the time? That's 2 mana short each time.
He’s saccing Ao as well
@@PlayingWithPowerMTGAhhhh, thanks for pointing that out :)
Great game!
Can't wait for the day that TCGPlayer's deck builder comes out of beta aka just separate spells by card types....
I love that Dragon, Ao is awesome
Really amazing showing from Ao
When Ao was being looped by Deathmantle why did he only need to sacrifice one creature to ashnod's alter and not two? Doesn't ashnods give 2 mana, but you need 4 mana to activate nim deathmantle? What am I missing?
Each time he looped Ao he also sacrificed Ao to ashnods for the other two mana
"he loops Ao" is going to haunt my dreams
I'm just surprised that the Ao list doesn't run Krark-Clan Ironworks. Seem stupid good with the Death Mantle loop
The list I ran didn't have enough of an artifact density to really make KCI work. On top of that, KCI is 4 mana which eats up one whole Ao trigger, whereas you ideally want a permutation of 2 2 drops or a 3 drop plus 1 drop so you're netting positive on each flip. In Higher's version of Ao, he's running way more artifacts which makes KCI more viable there. His version also forgoes more of the stax to B-line in a faster combo win.
@@Ilvaldi Right. Enough artifacts, though, and KCI seems like a worthy inclusion. I feel like it wouldn't be too hard to hit a critical mass of artifacts. All those mana rocks basically pay for another activation and then some. Definitely more for an all-combo deck. I'm probably going to have to work on a list now.
What a wild way to win!!
Charles has to be one of the top players of cEDH by now. A master of his craft
He really isn't, he just gets left alone all the time for no reason
@@kingofrunescapepking you don’t make it to top 4 at Marchesa because you get “left alone” lol at some point skill is needed
@@abrahamdrinkin2534 right but as far as these videos go it always seems like nobody interacts with anything Charles does until it's too late
Anyone know where Adam got the retro lands playmat?
Where did Adam get his playmat????
Honestly kinda love watching Ao go off.
Charles really likes his mono-white decks
Is Adam a magician? (I ask 'cause I am and also use cards for tokens)
That Ao win was beautiful
What was the card in game 2 In which the ao player kept draining life by the creature dying?
Relic Vial. The trigger only works if you control a cleric, which Ao flips over. Incidentally, a lot of hatebears tend to be Clerics.
All I can say is...ao poor highers throat
While Charles was doing the thing, he was probably like "I'm so sorry guys, I know I said this would probably take a minute but really, I'm so sorry."
Great to see Ao loops. But couldn't he have stopped when he had bomberman online and flipped into the ranger captain? He get's ballista with captain to win....though not nearly as interesting lol.
Ao seems pretty sick
Charles and cal with the based playmats
I must have missed it but how is he only sacrificing one creature to Ashnod for Deathmantle? Ashnod provides two mana but DM costs 4.
He sacs Ao to it as well.
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Aaaand now I feel like an idiot. 🤣 thanks for clarifying that for me!
Love mono white.
Would love an update to the budget Yuriko cedh list.
Am I missing something how was charles sacing one creature to pay for nim?
Nvm I was missing the fact that he was also sacing Ao
well done!
"This is a budget-list version of Yuriko" ...opening draw contains Chains of Mephistopheles...
Different definitions of budget, I guess. TCG mid of $1,583.93?
"Budget-less", not budget list.
@@MrSeismitoad oooooooh, gotcha. My ears have failed me
Shouldn’t blind obedience be illegal to play in a mono white deck
I cannot believe how many games Charles won with mono white
I knew Ao would be a great cedh option. Thanks mono white players!
non-deterministic loops are funny
I can’t understand his accent, what is he saying before mulligan?
Lets go Charles!!!!!!
whenever the announcer says Ao it sounds like Al
Couldn’t Charles have won the moment get he got Auriok Salvagers? Make infinite mana for Nim Death Mantle and then proceed to keep looping without having to do the very time consuming resolving of Ao triggers. Although I do get playing it safe and having as much on the board as possible.
I was thinking the exact same thing. If somebody was going to interact, they would’ve definitely done it sooner and not waited that late in the combo to do it.
Yes, but the players wanted to know if I could win without ever casting another spell again, so I did the non-deterministic loop in the deck to give them a demonstration. This way, to the viewers, they can see what other win cons exist in the list as I flip over through most of them. There’s quite a few combo lines in this deck.
@@Ilvaldi very cool list. Reminded me of what a Teshar list would look like if it had secks with an Oswald list, and then married a Heliod brew.
@@Ilvaldi That’s cool nice demonstration of “challenge accepted” especially when you get to show off your deck instead of winning with a known loop.
That’s why I love cEDH in a more casual pod your non deterministic loop would have been the stuff of legend in so far as people people feeling salty because you took up a lot of gameplay time. And I don’t say that derisively to either community or you. I’m glad you got to do that and had a group of players happy to watch the show. I enjoyed it, “like where was this gonna go lol”
@@xtyberius Believe it or not, your description isn't too far off to how Higher described the deck when he saw me demo it to him haha.
Bro was playing solitare in game 2
Homeward Path is my favorite land. Play with your own cards, don't take mine.
Ow Ao!
If You’ve ever complained about krark but thought the second game was cool and fun, you’re just jealous you’re not the one taking all the game actions.
The Ao loop is definitely cool but if I were in the game I might have gotten up to get a snack
Cal has the coolest proxies
Mono-white aristocrats is convoluted but god damn is it cool to see
That Ao deck wow, very impressive.
Wow Ao can get dirty!!!
Mono white really showing up here. Kind of strange to just see a cEDH game where several people die to old fashioned combat. Or is that just me?
Serra Ascendant is just too good
And some people in the discord I'm in talks mad shit about Mono White xD
Once charles found auriok salvagers, led, and grand abolisher, why didnt he just loop led for the mana before continuing to combo out? Wouldve taken the thought out of it and would stop him from running the risk of failing to find and fizzling his combo
The failure rate of finding something at that point was 0%. In the raw footage of this game, I explained to Adam and Cal that I can kill the table now without ever casting another spell once I've assembled the non-deterministic loop and they wanted to see how. Hence, why I continued looping through the deck to flip everything over and killing them. The deck runs a similar average cmc as an Ad Naus list, except it's more creature/hatebear heavy (and can combo through its own hate). Hence why people have been calling it, "Mono-W Ad Naus."
@@Ilvaldi thanks for explaining!
Ooo a video.
So Adam shells out money for all those fetches and OG duals but can't get thrull tokens?? Lolol
He LoOpS aO!