Ao vs Malcolm/Tana vs Magda vs Tymna/Jeska | CEDH Gameplay
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"He ends his tur.. just kidding! He sacrifices Ao [...]" Best line! Makes sure that you're still awake :)
Those mountains are looking pretty sweet....
"Charles moves to combat, and attacks Ryan with UwU" that shit killed me
I had to replay that twice to make sure I heard that right.
UwU
Ryan telling the table exactly what's going to happen and then everyone ignoring him had to have ended with a big, old glass of "I told you so."
Except the likely outcome of doing what Ryan says is Ryan winning--the Karn wasn't a key part of the combo, it just slowed everybody else down & prevented others (such as the turbo naus player) from going off.
@@drewhoffmaster2969 The Karn actually did help me get to enough mana with Ashnod's Altar by turning my Arcane Signet into a creature to sac for 2 extra mana, which I ultimately needed to help cast Ao/Deathmantle and pay for the Deathmantle trigger. I don't think anyone would have suspected that, but I agree, the board was in a tough spot in deciding how to deal with Karn without tipping the scale to either me or Ryan. It's situations like these where not only good piloting is needed, but also having cards flexible enough to enable surgical piloting to happen.
@@drewhoffmaster2969 Incorrect. Even the player who won said it was key.
@@BlackBullNDN you misconstrue what I’m saying. I’m saying that, yes, the Karn did assist me in winning, but it wasn’t obvious on the given board state that I needed it to win. Karn was stopping other players from winning, but it’s not always the case that Karn would be part of a winning line.
Case in point, if I had drawn a Memnite for my turn, I would have won without needing to use Karn at all. So while in this case, when we look at the game in retrospect knowing what would happen the next turn, of course we *ought* to kill the Karn. But this type of retrospective thinking is pointless: you can’t apply information to matters where you wouldn’t have been privy to that knowledge. That’s like choosing to mulligan and then looking at the top card of your deck and saying, “I should have kept my hand.”
I didn't comment on it being obvious or not. Simply quoting you saying it was key in helping you, not just being a board-staller, contrary to the comment you were replying to.
I'll be short with my report on this one:
Ryan was not wrong in highlighting Karn at the table. Karn did help me get to enough mana with Ashnod's Altar by turning my Arcane Signet into a creature to sac for 2 extra mana, which I ultimately needed to help cast Ao/Deathmantle and pay for the Deathmantle trigger. I don't think anyone would have suspected that, but I saw the board was in a tough spot in deciding how to deal with Karn without tipping the scale to either me or Ryan. Ryan's board state looked as if he had the most advantage to gain immediately from Karn leaving, and it appeared that the other players could not capitalize immediately on getting rid of Karn without passing the turn over to someone else who could profit from his absence before they do. Having a 5/4 vigilance flying blocker/attacker didn't help much either. It's situations like these where not only good piloting is needed, but also having cards flexible enough to enable surgical piloting to happen.
I want to also highlight and commend that at Punt City, PwP's Mike Saad did an excellent job at navigating the table in getting me eliminated and table-talking his way out of a bad board wipe to cinching the game against Ao, Urza, and Blue Farm. Knowing how to play through these complex situations, understanding the fallout/consequences you have to deal with if you commit to removing a stax piece, and figuring how to get out from under and evaluating if the risk is appropriate/best for you is key to games like these. It lends to both your abilities in sizing up the board but also sizing up the players you play against.
Heyo. really like the deck and interested in building it. Sadly, I don't have access to Grim Monolith or Lion's Eye Diamond. Do you think the deck is still worth building without them and/or anything to possibly replace them with?
@@lethaljorag LED is part of one of the combo lines in the deck. You can probably skate by with running Lotus Petal instead, but you can also just run another ramp piece like Loyal Warhound (which also becomes another combo piece) or Knight of the White Orchid for both Grim Monolith and LED respectively. You can also sub in another removal piece like Darksteel Mutation as well. Either of these options are good imo.
Mono colored FTW! fun seeing Magda and Ao show that more colors aren't always better
UwU, the Dawn Sky is my new favorite mono-white commander
Love the alters! Where did you get the Media Offline?
the alternating between ayo and ow, then the occasional uwu😂
Absolutely slayed me
UwU what's this? A combo?
2:03 POV Ryan is resolving Godo and everyone passes priority
3:02 something went wrong...
That convoluted Magda line in gq was so cool I loved every step. When he got the clock and changeling I was hyped
just love the error on the land card. brings be back to film school days
Great games! Loved the display from the mono colored decks.
I will never tire of Charles winning with mono white truly great to see
Nah it's gotten old a long time ago. He only wins because nobody interacts with his early plays
@@kingofrunescapepking I don't see how it's gotten old it's really nice seeing mono colored decks win these days. That's their own fault for not interacting with him idk if people see still see mono colored as weaker and think they can just let them do whatever but especially for white decks it's always nice seeing them win for me
Great video! Excellent writing and narration as always, but I laughed harder at this video than I have any others. Really well done team.
My favorite part of this video is a RESOLVED Ancient Copper Dragon damages a player trigger.
Holy cow never thought I'd see that in cEDH. Only in Magda, I guess, but still!
Big bang 13 treasures don’t know why Magda was not cast again? Was there something stopping it from entering the battlefield?
Karn
those mountain alters are great!
Love the mountain pictures in this game!
This is more of how many different ways ryan can pronounce Ao than a cedh game
Ryan, that pic is God tier 😂😂😂
I 100% need to see someone making Mountain proxies using the media offline thing from premiere now
New business idea
Blue screen of death for island
Ahhh, the old but gold phrase to machine-gun the whole table with something like the Ballista.
Very nice games!
Honestly, laughed so much in this video.
I love how you alternate between A-O and OWE for promouncing Ao, the Daws Sky, peak narration.
Don't forget UwU, I definitely heard UwU a few times there
@@Outlawbyname Confirmed that UwU is the correct pronunciation on this channel from now on.
Noice! I enjoyed the first 2 Decks. Thx :D
"Returning uwu to the battlefield" lmfaaooo. Cracked tf up
Going from Ay-oh to ah-oh had me so confused 🤣
Charles is a literal God
Ao caused au xd
He’s the voice of the divinity on Rebell’s channel so you’re not wrong 😂
Chadles
Charles, I freakin Love your deck! And as always, your content is really good. Keep it up!
That new mountain art though!!!
"Ow, the Dawn Sky". Tho I do appreciate mixing every single pronunciation in to make EVERY pedant upset. ;p
Both of those winning loops are so long I love it
Nobody:
Ryan: UwU
To clarify, the proper pronunciation of the good dragon is [AH-OH]. It's a little bit like saying "OW" with less force. I did like how you were switching how you said the name constantly.
Sorry for being pedantic but it seems like it's closer to AH-OU. For some reason Wizards decided to not translate long O's as OU maybe because locations like Tokyo or Kyoto also has long O's without the use of OU.
Nice to see mono white win. Now I want to see gameplay with the Blue spirit commander.
Ryan when the game ends : -_- .
😂😂😂
16:32 nice
At 12:05, when Cal deals his combat damage, he should have gotten 3 treasures.
Charlesssss… boy, gotta love his mono W builds mate.
#RyanWasRight
Ok i really like this Ao deck
4:54 Nice mountain
monocolors stay winning 💪
Brother may I have some LOOPS!
Japanese speaker here, its pronounced Ah-Ou , by the way, 3 the english name lack a U word somehow as its a 3 character word in Japanese.
Love seeing Charles go off with mono white! So awesome. Also that first game combo was very nice!
Also t.y. for keeping the perfect number of 69,420 ;)
11:11 We all heard that you can't fool us
I want to see that pageant
14:05 don't think I didn't see that!
Where did charles get his playmat? That is SWEET!
Ao is really cool
DOJA CAT COSPLAY PAGEANT LMFAOOOO
turn 2 baby woooooooooo
awesome games. Ao wins again!!!
69420 is the standard infinite now
Ah so that's the elixir win. Interesting
profesional face breaker and malcom deal damage to different opponent create 3 treasure
Does Professional Face-Breaker really trigger when dealing combat damage to a planeswalker like it happened around 10:46?
all hail UwU the Dawn Sky
Since Ryan's probably a good sport I'll say what he couldn't. He told you so. If I were him I would've tried to convince cal to attack the karn so that no one benefits from it being gone and it would basically allow them to reset the game from there.
So, Magda is the red version of spellseeker inalla combo? (Except easier to disrupt)
Magda actually isn’t that easy to disrupt. If you have backup artifacts to tap to clock’s ability, you can keep responding to interaction at instant speed and win without having to cast any spells using academy/spellbomb/elixir. Not sure why they keep using the bolt line as it falls prey to counter spells and could possibly be exiled from the stack.
Almost like the table should have listened to Ryan...
Since it's from Kamigawa, it's safe to assume you should use Japanese pronunciation for Ao. Thus it's pronounced "Ah-Oh", or basically just "Ow".
When Cal is attacking with Face Breaker and Malcolm, shouldn't he be making a total of 3 treasures? 2 from face breaker, and 1 from Malcolm? Or am I missing something?
I think he was attacking Karn with Face Breaker.
That second game must have been very frustrating for Ryan I know I would be furious lol
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Hope to see mono white destroy everyone 😌
Is the "media offline"-error-message a joke that I'm not understanding? I've seen it a couple places and I'm not halfway through the video 🙃
I think it might be either alters or another way to represent Garner's mountains
There are a lot of comments so just scanning I did not notice if This question gets answered… After attacking with copper dragging and producing 13 treasures why did Magda not get cast again? Was there anything stopping Magda from coming onto the battlefield? There could’ve been tutored into play disruption with the treasure still on the table? Maybe I’m missing something any help is appreciated thank you
They couldn’t activate those treasures because there was a Karn in play.
They couldn’t activate those treasures because there was a Karn in play.
People pls start playing Reckless Fireweaver in Magda
Karn for the win!
Magda can win much easier with either altar of the brood or hellkite tyrant but I guess if it just doesn’t fit how he likes his deck, it doesn’t fit
I dont like altar of the brood cause its a dead card outside the combo. Bogharden, elixir, and lightning bolt are actually useful outside of the combo imo
Ao: My name means 'blue' in japanese!
Wizards: So this dragon that we named Ao, however you pronounce it. That's the white one.
3:00 Premier Pro missing file texture sleeves when?
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I still think the table was correct to not remove the Karn even though it likely resulted in Charles' win in game 2. The problem with removing Karn was that Garner was really the only one in a position to do so, but wouldn't be able to convert that into a win without giving the game to the Mad Farm player who was ramping to the moon with rocks. Garner removing Karn means Ryan can go for the win on the spot. The only question was if Cal could reasonably remove Karn & win, and I don't think that was the case since it would use the combat step removing the ability to Glinthorn win without excess cards in hand, and the presence of UwU on the battlefield made removing Karn even harder.
Really, what we see here is the stax deck winning due to landing the right lock piece early & people not holding up removal to deal with the main combo line of the deck. Everybody was ramping & developing, and nobody was policing the table except Charles.
I like your take on it and I pretty much agree. The only thing different I think should've happened was Gardner killing the Karn in response to the Grasp of Fate by tutoring for the Borgarn Hellkite. That way, he could've at least had his treasures and artifacts open to recast his commander and would've been the first one of his opponents to be free of the stax with no dauthi or Malcom to worry about.
With enough treasures Garner could remove Karn and win at instant speed, in response to any other player attempts. Another option would be just tutoring a stax piece to stop everyone else from winning.
> I don't think that was the case since it would use the combat step removing the ability to Glinthorn win without excess cards in hand
You can still activate Glint-horn after damage and before the end of combat.
It is pronounced like Ow. Also fun fact, it means blue in japanese
Not sure why Garner didnt use his 13 treasures and go for a win. Casting magda, sacing 5 treasures for bogardan to get rid of karn and then going off from there...
How would Garner cast Magda when he only has 2 lands in play? The rest of his mana came from artifacts that he couldn't activate because of Karn.
@@Ilvaldi you right. My brain didn't process sol ring. Thought it was ancient Tomb for some reason :)
I feel like Charles was told white is the worst edh color and took it as a challenge
I feel like cedh is vintage lite
69,420. Man of culture
What on earth is that picture of ryan.
An amazing one
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG fair
"attacks garner with uwu" hmmm... something isnt right here
"Charles moves to combat, and attacks Ryan with UwU" 11:11
14:05 UwU
Fools allowed the Karn to remain in play….hopefully they learned from their mistake.
Not killing Karn is basically always wrong.
Killing Karn without a win in the same turn is probably more wrong. Do that and you're just giving the next person in turn order a win. The Mad Farm player in particular was looking threatening with the rocks they were deploying, as was Malcolm/Tana. If Magda kills Karn, they don't have the resources to go off so either Mad Farm wins or Malcolm/Tana wins. Malcolm/Tana won't be able to win with Glinthorn same turn either since they have to use combat step to remove Karn and can't do the cleanup step win, and would give Magda time to win.
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Ao winning was due to resolving a combo piece that the table got caught without interaction for. Karn just gave Ao the time to find it, instead of letting one of the others win turn 2.
@@drewhoffmaster2969 This pretty much here ^. There's also the fact that Karn literally gave me the extra creature to sac to Altar to play all my pieces and my Commander + tax on the same turn by making my own Arcane Signet a creature. It was, relatively, a "sudden" but inevitable play. And yes, you're absolutely right. If either player 3 players had the right interaction (like an Abrade, Counterspell, or March of Otherworldly Light for specifically the Altar), I would not have gone off there and the game would have continued under rising tensions (likely Magda might have been able to cinch it with the Copper Dragon).
I personally think it's pronounced "Ow"
Couldn't garner have just tutored for a helkite tyrant and immediately win the game since he had all those treasure tokens on his field and including all the other tokens on the field?
He no longer had Magda out when he had all those treasures. He couldn't cast Magda because he had mostly artifact mana, which was locked out by Karn. He also couldn't attack into Karn completely because Ao was up as a blocker and then later Serra Ascendant. If he tried to go for the Clock Of Omens combo after somehow killing Karn, he would then have to go through Cal's Spellskite which can re-target Clock Of Omens to Spellskite, thus stopping that combo. Then Ryan or Cal would potentially just win on their turns afterward. There was a lot going on each players' board, not just Karn.
KO more like AO!!!!
Swag
I love how nobody knows how to pronounce Ao’s name
I think it’s pronounced uwu
You called him Uwu just so you could add that graphic and hope people wouldn't notice, didn't you? XD
Maybe…
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG No judgment or shame.. it was just too perfect to not xD
UwU
Charles again goes untouched in game 2 and easily gets the win. I don't know why is gets consistently ignored. He has shown on numerous occasions that mono-white shouldn't be slept on. When Ryan kept telling the other 2 players what was going to happen, and then it did, really shows the board awareness.
I don't think it was lack of board awareness but more of them trying to find an opening without giving the game to someone else. Anyone could try to kill Karn, sure, but each of those decks used artifacts as their wincon a certain way and they needed to figure out how to win the same turn they killed Karn without the other player (especially Magda) potentially winning on top or over them or right after they pass the turn.
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Does Professional Face-Breaker really trigger when dealing combat damage to a planeswalker like it happened around 10:46?