Selvala vs Akroma/Tana vs Kalamax vs Winota | CEDH Gameplay
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During the first game, it would have been possible for Pyro to cast Phyrexian Dreadnought while the Tocatli Honor Guard was on the field (with its ETB ability not triggering). :P
Yeah, what the hell! I was so excited waiting for it! I audibly gasped when the Tocatli Honor Guard hit the field
I kept waiting for that 😂 I guess pyro wanted to sandbag it in case he ran into removal or counter magic?
@@johnbaird6752 Or he just really wanted the card draw trigger from Selvala
Me watching game three: Ryan is really playing with fire not aiming his aggression at Pyro especially after winning games one and two.
Flash forward 5 min, yeahhhhhh they done gooofed.
I was honestly shocked when he cascaded Finale of Devastation but didn't have a Dryad Arbor to search for.
if you check his decklist, he did! maybe just forgot :p
@@graaaghghg i would forget too when you are stuck with a finale for zero
@@TheCulturedMan34i’d remember myself, it being the only thing you could get if you X for 0
Apex Devastator Thumbnail, on a Monday, on a cEDH Channel. Hyped
The Folger hate is real... I guess it's karma for his latest decisions in previous episodes. :P
There's a reason they call Selvala the Green Lamborghini - she's FAST!!! Although, the threat assessment in this game was WAY off, it bordered on not making sense at times. Regardless, huge fan, and I love all your videos.
"Folger takes it"
"Folger takes it"
"Folger takes it"
Spoilers, kind of:
What a crappy pod to play Kalamax into :(
Yeah the pyro was open for so long but they were so intent on folger...
I know, right. Igot really triggered about this.
Yeah, it made no sense. They just lost twice to the Selvala deck because they played 0 interaction. Instead of focus firing down Selvala, they spent their time trying to neuter Kalamax who might have been one of the only decks to play interaction to remove Selvala or counter a spell like Genesis Wave.
Really strange and kinda bad plays. In a pod with bad decks and 0 interaction the game simply goes to who can slam the most value in creatures. If anyone of them had run ANY kind of removal Selvala would have fumbled. But I guess when between 3 decks none of them are even running so much as a lightning bolt in terms of removal that's the way it goes.
@@LC-wv7tz Indeed, they call themselves control decks yet they don't have a means of spot controlling the board like idk a certain tiny green creature? Even I ALL of my decks high or casual take the time to put the minimum of at least 5 pieces of spot removal and at least 5 counterspells and especially if I run blue you will NOT run away with the game if I have anything to say about it.
What I understood from this:
- Don't kill the Spirit of the Labyrinth unless YOU can draw all the cards first, and especially when another deck on the table hinges on drawing gallons of cards to win.
- Don't keep no land hands.
- Drannith is a strong card and whoever lands them first in a table where Commanders are used to win the game usually tilted the game heavily towards them.
"- Don't keep no land hands."
50% of times a player did it this game won the game.
@@LuisBarrim Hence, 50% of times a player did it this they lost the game.
All good points! Although, Pyro kept a no-land-hand and trounced. He did draw lands, though.
@@koanos2448 And 83% of times a player did not do it they lost the game.
@@PhazonOmega The difference I would argue would be that in mono-Green, and more importantly mono-Green Selvala, meant that no-land hands would be more forgiving if Pyro got Selvala to resolve, which they did. In Boros, and especially a non-Artifact heavy Boros with Winota as the Commander, no-land hands will be punished hard as most of her stax is Creature not Artifact-based, meaning that there is pressure to have colored mana.
Its always funny to see cedh games end through lethal combat damage after being so used to seeing them end via infinite combo's/fish consult
It feels like a yuriko ending
As a Selvala player, I absolutely LOVED this take on her.
That's not a sylvala cedh deck, that's the timmy-EST sylvala deck ever, I love it
CEDH decks aren't built to handle that style of deck
@@Greg501- if you want to be fancy that's what you all a meta read.
The point is that your mindset does more than your deck. And his deck keeps the cedh core.
Game 2: all against folger while pyro was just killing everyone XD
All three games they bullied Folger
They just let Pyro go off every game
selvala is so goddamn crazy when nobody bothers to kill it before she can tap.
True, she can go off in no time if not answered!
I have a Marwyn brew and I always tell people to get rid of her asap when she hits the board. Sometimes they won't listen and boom. From 0% threat to infinite everything in one main phase.
And this is where cEDH meta-focused answers lose out
@@Jaakington I did the same with my Arcum Dagsson deck. Turn four Dagson, nobody bats an eye, suddenly there's a mycosynth lattice followed by a kill switch on the board.
@@Cybershroom damn bro that's a nasty one-two punch!
That Apex devastator has got to be one of the best moments all year. 11 mana for a 10/10.....and an elf
Can really see why having next to no blue in a pod really makes it to where certain strategies suddenly become dominant.
No black also, and no players playing any interaction or removal whatsoever. 3 matches of solitaire, essentially. Turns out Selvala is pretty good if you just completely ignore her.
@@LC-wv7tz Anything is good when you ignore it.
That triumph into hoof was absolutely brutal. Love seeing a stompy deck played at a cedh level.
To be fair, I tihnk a big reason why it worked was that there were two stacks decks at the table. The stacks decks are not prepared to fight big mana, their hate creatures aren't going to do much versus big green spells and creatures hitting the board. They also can't attack the Sevala player easily just because their creatures don't match well versus big monsters. This gives the Sevala a lot of time to draw into an out or big haymakers. The stacks decks also screwed over Kalamax from keeping pace with Sevala so no one could stop the horde of creatures hitting the field.
I mean not to be harsh, but none of those seem like competitive decks. It's crazy that over 3 games, 3 opposing decks never once played any kind of interaction or removal on Selvala who generally is public enemy number 1 when she hits the table. It turns out when you completely ignore Selvala and she doesn't have to actually play magic that she just runs away with the game with insane mana.
@@LC-wv7tz I play Selvala (a lot) and this shocked me. She always become enemy #1. They fact you have to make it all the way around the table before you can get get things started generally means: you either play her when you've got protection, have one or two threats on the board for force an "either-or" choice, or immediately if everyone's mana is wonky.
4:19 - pyro plays scale up instead of phyrexian dreadnought while dreadnought doesn’t have an etb? He won none the less, but that would have been 6 more mana and a permanent 12/12 trampler in play.
Really great to see a big creatures deck winning in CEDH. The straight forward gameplay, granted it was tweaked for CEDH already, and the feeling of trampling your opponents feels really good.
Yep. I liked the third game the most because of no infinite
Why did they all target Folger? Because he was the only blue player? I mean, he was not a big deal on those games, or am I missing something?
Black for adnaus maybe? put that life total down
@@nionnix kalamax is blue, red, green
@@ryans.3852 Yeah well thats awkward
He was open?
He was open and Kalamax is a storm list, giving storm any breething room can end real bad, real quick
The amount of single target removal missing from these games is too dam high
Lurking Predators is my all time favorite enchantment. hands down.
Same, it feels so good watching someone pop off only for the cavalry to arrive.
Same, i'm playing a Samut, Voice of Dissent deck; I'm running Lurking Predators in it, it's BONKERS; to me, that's the best green enchantment.
@@Hyxtrem I use it in my manadork tribal-Chulane deck. builds board FAST but it is also less scary for my playgroup. I had one in my Mayael deck and that was NEVER allowed on board XD
@@basicgiraffology3709 Yeah, it's a card you can't allow to stay alive; It's taking games by itself. I'm also playing Mind's Dilation in a Yennet deck; same story. I love theses enchantments xD
26:03 Awsome! Happy to support you guys! And your second attempt on my last name was actually pretty close to the Danish version 😄
Just built my first cEDH deck myself, went with Yisan. He's fun, little difficult to pilot though.
but he is awesome. I wish you good luck and no turbonaus
Good luck hopefully u don't run into opposition agent too often :)
So cool meeting you guys at Tier1Con, nice getting to talk to you a couple of times, especially over the fast dinner. Hope to meet you all again :-)
Also awesome that one of you also joined the chaos precon tournament that I TO'ed
It was great meeting you too! Thanks for helping put on such an awesome event!
I’m so confused. Why did they ignore Pyro and focus on Folger, especially after winning games 1 and 2? What did Folger do to Ryan and Mike ? Lol
I mean, you see one player doing nothing, and a second player building up his board turn after turn... why are they not swinging at the second player?
because cEDH players sometimes forget you can actually kill someone with combat damage. I think they were just attacking Folger because he's the only one that's using life as a resource (in his lands).
"fight through the stax and control"
I'm not sure we have the same definition of fight or control, he played creatures, nobody interacted with them, he swung them. If anything the other players actively hindered the "control" deck and just let it happen. Not sure what stax there was for large creatures that he had to "fight" through besides Drannith in game 3.
Those were some crazy games! Loved seeing all the different decks!
Good lord, Pyro went in there and clapped them cheeks until his hands got tired!
If no ones seen Dragonball Zee! Specifically the 2nd episode, Pyro is Frieza. "I'mma whoop ALL yo asses. Mhm." That Selvala deck was too much. Stax deck? Control deck? Are ya'll running board wipes?! Then you ain't ready!
@@one_bad_mofo8658 why is it always the anime pick talking like out of the hood? :D
I think these games demonstrates what happens when cEDH decks run into optimised decks that go creatures. My pod is all too familiar, where the cEDH decks have to hold answers to each other in the case of an instant win, whereas the remaining players gets to run away with building value onboard. It's difficult to film a variety of games with different commanders, but I think this video clearly demonstrates the power imbalance that can occur when running into fast creature based decks
I'm just going to take a stab at this before I actually watch the video. One of 2 things happens because there's only 1 blue deck at the table.
1. Mike Winota beats the table to death and offs the table with magus-esque effects
2. Selvala combos off a bunch.
Edit: well I was half right lol.
I'm really happy to see him on green deck win some games in a different way than normal on cedh. What I really miss is the budget cedh decks.
Wow, what a fantastic episode! Angry great set of games. Loved the crazy plays and board states. Awesome interaction guys.
If Pyro is able to influence the meta we might see more cEDH decks running Spore Frog soon.
23:30 doesn't Ryan get 4 Saprolings through Tana? Akroma gives Tana +2/+2 each combat because of Trample and Partner
An Infect win in a cedh pod? I am thrilled! Hail Phyrexia! I cannot say how happy this makes me xD
By the way you were saying triumph of the hordes gives +1/+0 but it gives +1/+1 ;-)
Man there were several threat assessments in those games that I disagreed with. I feel like so many were focused on knocking out Folger instead of dealing with the clear threat that Pyro was bringing with Selvala.
SPOILERS:
So, not only did an Apex Devestator stick in cEDH, but the win was... INFECT?
I NEED this version of Selvala.
Big reason why is people aren’t really playing creature counter spells and it means your opponents need to use their best counters for what aren’t necessarily the best spells and that gives the green creature heavy deck such an advantage for sure
It is highly meta dependent. I don't see this deck doing well in a turbo-naus meta, it's just not fast enough compared to combo selvala brostorm and doesn't pack enough interaction. However, it is very good at playing in high powered non-cedh metas & in the right pod (staxy) it cleans up since most stax pieces do nothing against it.
My boy Vorinclex finally makes an appearance on the channel! Wooo. First time I've seen him, my b if he appeared earlier.
best episode i think i’ve seen so far on this channel!
Selvala being the deck that helped me bridge the gap to cedh many years ago this has to be one of my favorite episodes👍
4:29 The biggest smile playing with power has ever had commentating a commander game
Pyro's value Selvala was dope as hell. I think that the fact more non-combo value based decks are becoming popular is a sign that cEDH is maturing as a format. You never used to see value train kind of decks
Those games were lit. Gg everyone, and props to Pyro for the sweet wins
Wow I'm not sure I've ever seen something as extra as triumph of the hordes AND a cratorhoof at the same time!
Minor mistake, in the 3rd game, on turn 9, Tana should have dealt 4 damage and made 4 saprolings as Akroma also checks for the keyword "Partner" which Tana has in addition to the +1/+1 from her having Trample.
Weird but it's right at the bottom of Akorma and it can be relevant.
Did we just not mention selvala draw triggers or did no one use them as its a may trigger
In game 2, shouldn't Ryan have drawn a card when he cast Serra Ascendant from the Selvala trigger?
Selvala is my first green commander that I fell in love with. One of my favorite cards ever made.
On turn 4, after you exiled the simian spirit guide to activate selvala, you generated infinite mana right? Unless I'm missing something, I don't understand why you didn't or why you weren't the one that was being attacked. Other than that these games were very educational to me as I'm trying to pay more cedh games
Jesus that mono green is rough ! oh my god, i'm speechless.
The Helix Pinnacle purely for style was great
What was in the field causing creatures to not gain toughness through Triumph?
Nice to see something completely different (which is not somethign I thought I'd ever say about Triumph or Craterhoof, lol).
Did someone keep a hand with no lands in it?
What is the full infinite mana combo in game 2? I can't piece together the whole thing...
Does Selvala not run Dryad Arbor in general?
how does gitaxian probe work via webcam, only one person gets to look at the hand but both people will see it?
Showing off the power of Mono Green nicely here! Makes me think twice about keeping Yeva as my general and maybe swapping out to Selvala instead. That 3rd turn Apex Devastator was pretty impressive!
I am sorry, I am so bad at math.. ?
at 4:25 Pyro casts Apex Devastator using - 6mana from selvala, elvist spirit guide, llanowar elves and one land.
That is 9 mana, right? What am I missing?
Does Pyro have a primer for his deck somewhere thats not TCG player?
Bro in the game 2.. how pyro make infinite mana if scryb ranger says return a forest.. he has only 3 forest in play and can play 2 lands for asuza, and the game 3 how he can put a charge counter in blastzone if u need pay 3 and tap it.. with only 3 lands
Ashaya makes all creatures forests.
That servala deck looks awesome! Love some green stompy in CDH!
3 games in 1! Love it, thanks!
Where is the card list for the green deck!!! It’s awesome
"Math is for Blockers" still makes me laugh every time. Nice matches!
Shouldn't Ryan have drawn from selvala when he played serra ascendant at 12.02?
Pyros deck reminds me of when I was only a few months into EDH and accidentally built Selvala too powerful for my local play group before I even knew about cedh lol.
Does anybody know where I could get the mat that Ryan is using in this video?
Man the more I hear about tier 1 con makes me wish I had my passport and could go all the more
These were some sweet games! Love seeing mono green win!
I know it's an old video. But does someone understand why on third game pyro didn't crack the blast zone? He had the mana, and there were good threats that coated 2 (like drannith magistrate).
that infect damage count was hilarious
How come every time Triumph of the Hordes was played the announcer said "plus one plus oh..."? Was there a reason it wasn't "plus one plus one"? Am I just dumb and mishearing things?
How did Pyro draw 4 cards by turn 3? He should have drawn 3 new cards since his opening hand which I'm assuming were a second Forest, Scale Up and Elvish Spirit Guide. Where did Apex Devastator come from? Or one of the other cards?
Reviewing each game, it looks like Pyro is drawing extra cards somehow. Selvala doesn't draw him cards when she ETBs so this is kind of suspicious
That felt so good.
I also own a Selvala deck since she was released and it's stupid, but it's stupid fun.
at 14:35 why not bouncing back quirion ranger itself (as a forest) and make infinite mana with Selvala? then why remove elvish spirit guide to cast fyndhorn elves? i was so confused about it lol but Selvala won anyway
Game 1 shows why making a deal to bolt the bird important.
Did pyro intentionally didn't go for infinite mana or he just missed it at 14:50?
It was halfway into Mike’s next turn I realized I could’ve combo’d XD My b
@@pyro1581 cos u did it the turn after! XD so I was counting like did he need more creature or something.
Yea that line with quirion/scryb is key in Ashaya line.
why did they hate folger off the board so hard?
Picked a bad matchup
Pyro could have won with staff on turn 4 with ashya, by tapping salvala for 7 then pay 3 thru staff to untap salvala to then use 1 to tap for another 7 and then repeat the loop for infinite mana to then dump into staff to draw deck and win
Pyro wins back to back and is going off game 3: nothing
Folger exists: rest of table "absolutely not".
You know it's a good Monday when stax players getting pounded by the agro player, felt bad for Folger though lol
How did pyro make the 10 mana needed for Apex? Looked like 9 to me.
I saw that too
Selvala for 6, Elvish Guide for 7, Llanowar Elves for 8, Blast Zone for 9, Chrome Mox for 10
@@pyro1581 Ohh true, chrome mox was hidden.
man why so much hate towards folger? Pyro just bodied them the last 2 games
After seeing Folger's behavior the past few videos, I don't blame them. I'd probably also be focusing him out of the game whenever possible knowing I can't ever trust him or his decision-making
@@RetroPokemonTCG wait what do you mean
so u could go with 100 proxies?
That was the most painful apex devastator ive ever seen.
That is a nasty stax breaker selvala list. Really good to break parity and drop fat creatures every turn haha
Why didn't pyro go infinite with scryb ranger at 14:36 ?
Pyro has the most awesome playmat of all!
20:09" loved to see Linvala transformed into Gisella the broken blade
I'd like to test Pyro's Selvala against my Marwyn to see which one is consistent and faster.
Same, my marwyn is purely faster, but both selvala and marwyn decks die to removal or denial, mostly removal.
SPOILER WARNING: this question contains spoilers
Is it because Folger is the only blue deck that he is prioritized to be eliminated first every game?(he survived long enough in game1 though, or is it because of the deal in game 1 that he is bullied in the rest of this episode)
A resolved Archmage Emeritus will also put a target on your head. That card is absolute gas.
Yeah, on one hand I get it. Storm is honestly a very powerful archetype, but on the otherhand Selvala only needs one opening to pop off. They really should've paid more attention to Pyro.
@@manuelcamara6400 totally agree. Tbh Selvala is kill on sight for me. But I also understand killing the storm player who’s drawing hella cards lol.
I see, thank you for the insights.
2:26 Why do you call it a winconless stax deck when his win condition is his creatures?
I think it is because there isn't a combo wincon? It would maybe be better to call it "creature win stax"?
Because there isn't a specific wincon or combo that ends the game on the spot, just creature beats.
cause normally win-con doesn't count standard combat. Win-Con = combo that wins. Standard beats is just playing magic.
I love the fact that pyros deck was a value based combo deck!
We need more good combo pilots in the ahow tbh. Selvala won because there were no fast combo
And no interaction whatsoever.
The past few episodes havent even had thoracle combos. I wonder if they got away from the fast combo decks for a bit because people were complaining in the comments.
What is Ryan's playmat?? I want it
I don't understabd why Mike didn't use his phyrexian revoker naming Selvala in the first game
As a Selvala player, this video made me VERY happy
Pyro woke up and chose violence.
Would love to see a vish kal deck if you think y'all can make one