For Christmas, I'm buying Link a computer. For real though sir thank you for having me! It was a blast as always and these videos turned out so well! Until next time!
Snowpeak ruins could be the home of the hero's shade, aka the link from OOT. Given its owner was so widely travelled and features a garrison for soldiers. If link from OOT became a knight then its possible the king bestowed him a title and land. We know the shade had fought in battle and wore a knights armor so it seems to fit in my mind.
That does make some amount of sense; In medieval Europe, knights were not only soldiers, but property owners. In return for their service, they were usually given a parcel of land and property items by the lord they served.
@@NintendoBlackCrisis Quite possibly the most quickly assessed and well reasoned initial reaction I’ve read in a while from Symbolik. This makes so much sense if (as you assess) you include the fact that the Twilight Princess HD update allowed us to better see who was depicted on two of the wall portraits; specifically, Rutela and Rauru. Why would a random nobleman have portraits of these two, unless that nobleman was The Hero of Time? While the later of the two is kinda obvious, the former takes some digging, mainly because we know Rutela to be the wife of former King Zora and therefore deeply connected and indeed indebted to the Hero of Time. Also, pretty sure nobody knew what Rauru even looked like given he existed in the Chamber of the Sages for who knows how long. Haha! As stated: The shards of the Mirror of Twilight come to rest at pretty significant locations with the lore we now have at hand, that is, the Sacred Grove and its connections to OoT and The City in the Sky and it’s possible connections to both early Hyrule and possibly the Zonai. It would stand to reason that the former dwelling of the Hero of Time would be another. As stated in the video: Ashei’s story is expanded upon more in the manga and she states that it was her noble family’s former home, the estate of a great knight of Hyrule before they abandoned it. We know she “grew up in the mountains with [her] father, who was a knight in his own right. He taught [her] the arts of war as though [she] was his son." We can likely assume that the Hero of Time expected his lineage to include those worthy of the Master Sword but that many didn’t measure up. Also, explains why Ashei and her team are examine the Sacred Grove at the credits. She probably always felt like she didn’t measure up to her legacy -just as the Hero’s Shade regretted that he was not remembered as a hero. It’s all rather tragic actually. Well reasoned by Symbolik and this should def get dug into more and I do believe what we learn about the Zonai may reveal more.
@@NintendoBlackCrisis i wish more of the games did that. Subtle hints are nice but sometimes its much more interesting when a past PC in the franchise is directly involved in the story of the next like in Twilight princess. Like if the Hero's Shade was not Link from Ocarina of time he would be far less interesting as a character and feel like just any other game mechanic.
@@rwilliamisen For Rutela to have a portrait isn't surprising given the mountain stronghold was located within proximity to Zora's domain, also the Zora had strong ties to the kingdom of Hyrule, but you are right about Rauru who was an absolute mystery to anyone but the hero of time so far as we know. Also about that last part, i do like the idea of Ashei being a decendant, but i thought i also heard that the people of Faron have some bloodline relation to the Hero of time as well. Id have to read up on that part more but it's not completely impossible that both are true.
The hand prints are inspired from a real tradition. Ozekis and yokozunas (sumo champions and grand champions) often make commemorative stamps with their giant handprint accompanied by their name and rank. This is pretty cool
the water chambers are most likely for cooling down hot metals and rocks, because smelting often uses water a lot as a way to quickly cool off things they're smelting and crafting.
i think you forgot that zant didnt use ONLY twili magic. ganondorf gave him some of his own power. Midna said herself the curse Zant used on link to turn him into a wolf again, and overpower the light spirits, was ganondorfs own (more speficifically, ganondorfs power given to him by his triforce piece) even Zant says it himself at one point, he's not using Twili magic, his power comes from his ''god''
A good indication usually is the use of orange vs red. The Evil Crystal used to tarnish Link is orange and black, while the Twili's, presumably Zant's powers, like the Shadow Beasts' portals are red and black. Ganondorf himself appears to Zant as an orange flamey boi
Twilight Princess is full of so many cool dungeons and locations. And this video really hammered away at that. They weren't all perfect, but they were pretty cool. Snowpeak definitely sits as the coolest mystery. It has so many different elements that you have to wonder if it started as one thing (a training facility, guarison to protect from invasion, or a rich mansion) and slowly had the other elements worked into it over time to make what we see in the game. Whether it's something like a monster solider experimentation facility or (like other comments said) a home for the Hero of Time as a reward for service, there's a lot to appreciate. But the Twilight realm itself might be my favourite thing. It's interesting how things worked out. They were banished there due to a failed grab for power. But they really built a society there and were pretty capable. But it also got twisted further by being used as a dumping ground for dangerous criminals. The Royal Family pushing their problems onto a group that had already had to work to overcome their own failings.
Personally I don’t think that the Fused Shadow are inherently EVIL, Dark yes but not evil. Midna was able to use them without getting corrupted. I think only the Twili can use them without getting corrupted by design. Most likely the Fused Shadow were created in a manor that made it corruptive to those who dwell in the Light but not to the Twili.
Bold of you to assume Minda isn't corrupt in the first place. For all we know, she could have been evil, touched the shadow, and then got buffer underflowed into being good.
The Dungeon Item from the Goron Mine all but confirms that the Events of Majora's Mask actually happened seeing as the Hero's Bow that was in possession of the Goron's here is implied to be the exact same Hero's Bow that the Hero of Time acquired in the Woodfall Temple in Termina. He left it in their possession prior to his death.
It doesn't take all that long for nature to reclaim stuff. And Hyrule Castle in TP doesn't sit where the one in OOT did. (Also continually pressing X to Doubt on the oocca building ANYTHING and more just...using what someone else made and subsequently abandoned. Hyrule in general is FULL of ancient ruins and abandoned settlements.)
Have you ever seen how fast some of the plants in LOZ can grow? Check out the Korok tree side quest in WindWaker, and then try saying a forest overgrowing a temple in 100 years isn't likely. Heck, they're lucky every last square inch of Hyrule isn't completely overgrown. (And that includes the Gerudo Desert.)
The Snowpeak Ruins as well as the Goron Mines actually are my two favorite dungeons from Twilight Princess, and possibly even from any Zelda at all! I found their design and mechanics so unique, as well as their lore implications, that I doubt we'll ever get any dungeons as unique as these, but I still pray for something close in TotK!
22:01 Speaking of, do you think the blueish skinned redeads of Wind Waker are Sheikah Monks? I mean, from where they’re found to their appearances, it just makes me think it is them, be it warped or otherwise, still protecting where the ground where they’re found.
Zeltik actually has an extensive video on this, titled "The horrifying truth of the redeads... (Zelda theory)", where he analyzes Redeads across every Zelda game and speculates on what they are as a whole and how they fit into each game's lore (including the similarities between WW's Redeads and BotW's Sheikah Monks)
@6:20 its mentioned that the hand prints look like theyre pressed into the metal. More likely its some sort of metal cast. A hylian could have easily molded their hand to wet plaster, left that to set, imprinted casting sand with the plaster mold, then cast molten metal into it, creating more perminate plauques. Could have been plaster to sand, could have been loat wax casting, but there are many ways to turn safe materials into metal without having to work extensively with dangerous hot metal!
I just felt that the Goron mines were where most Hylians got their metals to make their armor and weapons. It's also where the Gorons get their food source. I also like how Death Mountain feels much larger in TP than in BotW and how the tech is much more advanced in TP. Also, I always felt that maybe Ashei was from the same region as the mansion but not the mansion itself. She said she was raised in the mountains in a place much like that. And the mini boss I always assumed was just a heavily armored variant of Dinolfos.
Personally I believe that snow peak ruins would have been a noble family or branch of the royal family's private Domus. A well-off double family or especially a somewhat removed branch of the Royal family would definitely have a sizable military force to defend their home. A decent theory for it's remote nature is that they may have been exiled from the main family if they are a branch from the Royal family or they may have had to remove themselves due to some politics regarding inheritance of the Kingdom
I think I read somewhere that Aonuma may have been mistranslated as having said TP takes place "a hundred years" after OoT when he actually meant "hundreds of years" or "at least a hundred years". Another explanation for the decay and overgrowth of the Temple of Time could be it's own mysterious time powers. Like, maybe it shifted itself and the surrounding area into a future state where its decay was much more advanced and a forest had grown around it in order to keep it hidden from intruders. The Temple of Time might also have been destroyed at the end of OoT, rather than fallen into ruin after years and years of neglect. The collapse of Hyrule castle may have caused an earthquake which made the nearby temple and castle town village crumble. Hyrule castle was later rebuilt in a different location while a forest grew around the temple's ruins.
That’s makes sense for the adult timeline but TP is in the child, where Ganondorf didn’t throw a coup. He did start a war so maybe he devastated Castle Town then though
After all these years and having played all 3d Zelda's TP is still so dear in my heart. I just love everything about this game, especially the scene when Midna is destroying the barrier will always give me chills
I would like to suggest that the twilight "fog" is the basis for Ganondorfs Malice, perhaps corrupted and concentrated into a liquid by the G-dorf. It's visually somewhat similar to Malice, just more orangey and gasious and it clearly demonstrates powerful dark corrupting effects already. For what it's worth, fire head twilight realm Ganondorf also happens to be named Malice Ganondorf, and it's only other time we see Ganondorf incarnated into a giant pure energy head outside of BotW. Not the strongest evidence but I think it has legs.
Regarding "moving" the Temple of Time. At first it sounds unlikely, because how are you going to move a whole stone temple? But they don't have to move the whole Temple, only the most holy, consecrated part, which could be anything from the sacred stone dais, the master sword pedestal, the goddess statue, or whatever the most holy thing is. Kind of like the Tabernacle in Judaism. The "holy of holies." They could take it anywhere, and build a new temple around it.
TP is the best zelda game yet. Yes I will die on this hill lol. Glad to see more appreciation for it, generally it seems to be ignored a lot overall by most fans.
Honestly I feel you, I was one of those, but I just released a video on my channel reviewing the Arbiters Grounds as a new dungeon ranking series I'm doing, and it really surprised me at how much I ended up loving it. TP might be my new favorite Zelda game after going back to it.
Its not as bad as I used to think, when I came to appreciate the themes, I can't agree that it's "the best game" the world is too big with too little to do, a problem it shares with BOTW, although in tp case due to engine limitations there's even less to do. There's also a huge issue with limitations in item usage, and not being able to use many items outside of dungeons. Lttp, Oot, and mm may be overhyped now, but they're all objectively better in terms of being flushed out (taking into mind engine limitations) and better mechanics.
A possible explanation for different coat of arms is that the former king was from a different house/family, and thus when he was made king, the experiments were eventually forgotten about and left to rot inside the abandoned building.
Regarding the Temple of Time, maybe it was destroyed recently? Possibly by Zant? I also like the theory someone proposed that SnowPeak might be the former Link’s residence.
Another possible bit of evidence for the inner Temple of Time being a bit extradimensional in nature: it's nowhere to be found in Breath of the Wild. You can have as good a poke around that back window as you like, you won't be finding many dominion rods. Alternatively, it's evidence that the TP Temple of Time is a distinct building, which is probably the simpler explanation.
Given how the interlopers are, in the vision, depicted as three dark/shadowy versions of Link, what if, rather than a group of exclusively Hylians, Gerudo, or Sheika, it instead was a group that consisted of all three races, hence why we see three "dark Link"s standing in for them in Link's vision of the interlopers?
19:50 i think its the same one because if you look at the map in ocarina of time the place where the church is situated can actually be linked back to kokiri forest
Snowpeak ruins could have been an estate. In England, you can find many grand estates that royalty would visit. Therefore, the estate would house the royal guards and equipment in a event it comes under attack.
A forest could 100% grow that fast and that dense in 100+ years! Ever seen an abandoned property get overgrown by weeds and vines? If grass and weeds can consume an entire house in a matter of months, then an entire forest can easily consume an abandoned stone temple left to rot and be forgotten.
I think gorons mine with their hands on a more adhoc basis since setting up a machine would take time, or maybe in preparation of setting up more machinery.
Usually not a fan of collab videos especially zelda theory ones but you guys did awesome on these. Gonna be so tough to not watxh your vids when Tears of the kingdom comes out until i play it🎃
Fun fact. In the Japanese version of the game, Midna states that the dark fog in the Palace of Twilight is what Zant used to cover Hyrule in Twilight. Here's the translated quote: Midna: "This black fog is the light-absorbing shadow crystals that Zant magically produced… It's responsible for stealing the light from the spirits and turning Hyrule into Twilight."
Snow peak could be for guarding the mirror of twilight. The coat of arms could belong to a general that was in charge of keeping the mirror safe. It also looks like the soldiers that stay there were special forces of some sort. Elite soldiers of an unknown race. My guess is that the mirror caused something to happen that forced the garrison to abandon the fortified mansion.
There are a few interesting materials that appear in the LOZ games that are cannon to hyrule. All of the following are cannon to hyrule Goron iron/ steel, various different gems that aren't magical in nature, sky metal, never melt ice that is red/ blue, black steel, adamantium, various elemental metals and gems, various ultra light and ultra strong metals, eternal flames of various types, various high durability wooden or plant materials, and I can keep going but I think that you might get the idea. The reason many of these materials are available to anyone is because of the Goron's in general. The Goron both mine materials that they eat and process into absolutely incredible materials through a mix of processing methods including eating them. One of these many materials is that of goron iron and steel. The list of unique materials that are possibly available for use by the various races means that they would possibly have had multiple times that their civilization became prosperous and prolific then fell and that resulted in various things that were lost like abilities with magic or interdementional travel and other things that were amazing. The next thing is that there are a minimum of six realms related directly to hyrule.
So like, the thing with the mirror being Hyrule’s ruin… how tf does the royal family possess the triforce of wisdom?? Seems like the plot is always “royal fam did something dumb and now pig guy is winning”
@@consumermp In Twilight Princess, she capitulated when keeping the war going would have meant only death to her subjects. She then played the long game and waited. Then, when Midna was gravely injured, she saw that she was important to save Hyrule so she gave her own life (or something) to save her. In OoT she was also the only one to saw through Ganondorf. Its not her fault her father was so stupid.
@@TheSorrel TP is a much better example cuz OOT is one of her huge mistakes by sending Link back… which lead to the flooding and eventual end to Hyrule. The TP stuff was 100% the fault of the royal family. Does seem odd that the royal family would act independently of divine wisdom tho…
Goron mines are not usually built strictly for commerce, they are also usually the Gorons primary food sources. add to that that these also appear the gorons main training areas, and the goron mines could definitely be considered sacred by a race who love to eat and train.
As to snowpeak, I believe it is connected to the forest mansion. Both of these structures are far too large to be anything but a main home for anyone, and both feature weapons and armor set aside in rooms, large fortified walls, and exist in hard to reach easily fortified locations, I think these structures date back to the hyrulian civil war. During that time of unrest, it would make sense to have fortifications at every major point of ingress. while death mountain and it's goron inhabitants are certainly a good defense from the north east, snowpeak is off in the north east, where the hebra mountains are located in BOTW. Both dungeons were garrisons set aside for noble families and their soldiers to patrol the mountainsides and prevent foreign troops from crossing into Hyrule. Of course, no noble is going to want to life in a frozen stone block, so they added plush carpets, nice furniture, Large, roaring fires, etc. The pictures gracing the walls in Snowpeak meanwhile, are either members of the owners family, or their relatives. The forest temple was much the same, a noble family including Meg and her three daughters were tasked with guarding the southern border. Of course, both perished, their soldiers returning as Stalfos and Chillfos. A little interesting fact as well, both of these dugneons are the only dungeons to have (white) wolfos in them.
@@Sabcy2 Mostly on point with your reasoning and an interesting analysis, to be sure. The only parts that aren't quite correct is that Meg is the mother of the others; not quite she is just one of the Poe Sisters, (as Navi says). and that there are White Wolfos in the Forest Temple. There are Wolfos, yes, but the White Wolfos only show up in the Ice Cavern.
7:55 Between this and the 40 theories on tears of the kingdom drawing of a zonai swirl, NintendoBC really is making us big gifts today ! (edit : hadn't seen the one at 10:39, this one really ended me)
So... has anyone ever considered that the Twilight Realm is just Hyrule in the distant future? Like, can we all agree that the effect that appears when the Mirror of Twilight is used looks suspiciously like one of Hylia's Time Gates? Plus, calling someone an Interloper, by definition, implies that they had no reason being there. Could the interlopers have just been future Hylians, traveling back in time to steal the Triforce, like what we see in a Link between Worlds with Lorule? They no longer have a Triforce, and everything seems to be going wrong there. Rifts separate the different locations, the sun has effectively died, nothing seems to be going right for the Twili. Plus, they are even turning into monsters, like what happens in a Link between Worlds.
@ғᴇʟɪᴘᴇ ᴘᴏᴇᴛsᴄʜ True, but the Twili need to come from somewhere. The literal definition of interloper is someone who enters or invades something that they had no right or business involving themselves with. As such, they need to either come from somewhere outside of Hyrule, which we never confirmed to exist, or they came from the Twilight Realm itself.
@ғᴇʟɪᴘᴇ ᴘᴏᴇᴛsᴄʜ A fair point. I personally don’t believe that they could come from Termina, as the Hyrule Historia states that Termina was created by the Skull Kid with the power of Majora’s mask, although that explanation is slightly iffy due to the Historia’s questionable lore implications. Also, it is entirely possible that the Twili did originally create the Twilight Mirror, then the Goddesses sent down the light spirits to aid in sealing the Twilight Mirror. It does look like it uses Twilight Magic, while also still looking like a Time Gate. Edits for autocorrect ruining some lore words
just finished TP for the first time ever. got about half a day into it a few years ago, but started a new save a few weeks ago and finished it. Holds up very well and even on Gamecube it’s a blast
Im so so sorry but 18:11 that door is lookin a lil Sus Jokes aside im conivinced that Twilight Princess and Windwaker both take place at the same time and many things we see in both games are the same thing just a alternate form due to being in a different timeline. Look at Colin in TP, looks a lot like Windwaker link if you ask me. But the comparisons dont stop there. Also makes me think that Majoras Mask Theory video bout Termina being Skull kids memories being warped and made into a parallel reality shows things from different time periods.
Really hoping that Twilight Princess HD releases on Switch. Additionally, while I do enjoy lore videos like this, where the video maker twists themselves in knots trying to connect events/locations/items from one game to another via the supposed history.... I will always prefer the take that the game are _mostly_ set in alternate realities from one another (the exceptions being the obvious sequels like Majora's Mask or Breath of the Wild 2). For all the rest, you have to handwave away massive changes in geography and location and architecture and supposedly historic items that are wildly different or none existent in other games. Sometimes magic itself functions differently. Plus, we already have examples of alternate worlds/realities such as the Dark World from Link to the Past, the Twili Realm from Twilight Princess, a similar but different shadow/twili realm in Skyward Sword, Lorule in Link Between Worlds (which is different from the Dark World in that same setting), and maybe more that I've forgotten about. How many more such variants of existence might there be? And what if each has their own history -- often seeming quite similar to one another... and sometimes not. There are even realms of dream as shown in Link's Awakening (which also had a second dream realm within it). Assuming the games are set in some chronological order rather than parallel/concurrent realms of existence is actually kind of weird. Also... what if one Link could cross over into the realm where another Link exists/will exist/once existed? Given how the games are made, and that a "history" didn't really exist until sometime after fan-fiction based on it became such a big thing Nintendo decided to just agree to it... and yet still had to retcon the "official" history a couple times and it still doesn't make any real sense even with games made _after_ Nintendo tried to stick to an official history. And I think it's because Miyamoto and Aonuma and others don't really care about a supposed history and are happy to just reinvent the setting and ignore established details of the world aside from the main themes. For that reason, a lot of the lore that's uncovered is probably just wrong -- though Nintendo may adopt it as a retcon if a theory is popular enough -- and a lot more will never slot into place because it was never intended to come together, at least not _between_ games. But within a given game? Yeah, you can probably piece stuff together to figure out _that_ variant's history in part.
You’re absolutely right. As interesting as figuring out the intricacies and mysteries of an overall timeline is, the games were never designed to be that way. Each game is intended to be brand new and self contained. It’s intentional to give the developers the freedom of creativity to do whatever they want in a given game without being restricted by past games. But philosophically, there’s also the whole theme of it all being “legends.” My understanding is that there’s a core story of the legend, including the most important parts like a hero, a princess, a villain, holy relics, and a land that needs to be saved, and each game in the series is just a re-telling or re-imagining or an alternate version of that one same story. Just like a legend or a myth, it’s the same basic story just modified over time by different people.
the handprints in my opinion are when the group of Hylians went to help with the mine the 4 best contributors got to put their hand in mud stamp it into some rocks and then were cut out to use as imprints (EX: the thing that puts the 3 in the toy story 3 intro) then the Gorons shoved those rocks carved around the outline the mud left into the pieces of metal explaining why it looks like the hands had a mark on the metal plates along with the dents on the hands and no they didn't slam their hands into the rocks that would do around a bit less than doing that in the metal, they just placed their hands down on the rocks carved around the muddy outline of the hands and shoved it into the metal.
The relations between the Gorons and the humans advancing from OoT was one of my favourite things about the lore of this game I’m glad you mentioned it
Completely unrelated but something I only noticed just now watching this video, the propellers on the city in the sky would be pulling the buildings downward spinning in the direction they're spinning in
Snowpeak Ruins is very similar to the Forest Temple from Ocarina of Time, they are both abandoned mansion fortresses with ties to the Royal Family. Perhaps the Royal family had many similar fortresses scattered around Hyrule at various times throughout its history that eventually fell to ruin like these two.
There are two times when I love Zelda. One is your Skyward Sword or Ocarina of Time type game. The type of game whose lore matters to the whole of the zelda series and understanding that game is integral to understanding every other game. But the other is your Twilight princess, or your breath of the wild. The kind of game that feels so disconnected from everything else Zelda, but still feels absolutely amazing. The kind of game that spends so much time on every intimate detail of every single temple, every tiny little room, item, everything, that you believe it's really alive. It feels like a contradiction to love both of these kinds of games with all of my heart, but here I am. I will never not love zelda theories, whether they're timeline theories or whether they're just the storied past of a single mansion, temple, ruin, or anything else that somehow has as much lore as any immersive sim could pack into an area
So, after saving Hyrule, the Hero of Twilight went on to become an artist with a really cool website, courtesy of Squarespace That's my new Head Canon, and no one can change my mind now
As far as the Snow Peek Ruins go, there are at least two large portraits of note in the HD version that many seem to overlook. One is of the Zora Queen, and the other is of a man that is not fully in focus holding a child. My logical guess based on what I can make out in the picture, is That the child is a young Link, and the man is his father, possibly a man of high military status and nobility in service to the royal family, one day disaster befell them and Link was sent away, possibly in the care of Russel, who was either there as a distinguished warrior himself, or Link being sent to Russel without him knowing what befell Link's father, being rushed away before whatever disaster arrived. Link could very well be connected to a lost family of nobile warriors, who may or may not be connected with the Zoras, as they live adjacent to one another, meaning, the Zora king may not have been a Zora, but rather a Hylean. But that is just speculation at this point. If you wonder why I suggest this but not that Link himself is part Zora, his father could have had more than one wife. One Zora, one Hylean. I could be 100% wrong, but hey, it could be possible.
I will look forward tomorrow if you Twilight Princess content! It's one of my favorite games and it would be fun to experience it again. They can fix some of the weird graphical stuff they did in the Wii u version
Maybe TP Link went to the Temple of Light before the events of OoT, and by beating it, freed Rauru, which would explain why he's already waiting for OoT Link after 7 years
I think that faron woods is the old central Hyrule bc the whole thing with the temple of time. It would just make way more sense if Hyrule wasn't really in the same spot just in the same world. It could be that everything has been pushed north, and there was already remnants of other clans of the same species that exists in oot. In totk it's mentioned that there are other clans so although it's retroactive it would make sense that these are different clans of the same species and the center of hyrule was moved after the destruction of Hyrule. Also the master sword could have an area of effect to hide itself and the sacred realm since that was the entrance and so caused the forests of the kokiri to grow way faster. We do know faron woods is absolutely massive and we barely see any of it in game.
Was it REALLY a "poor decision" to banish Gannodorf to the Twilight realm though? I mean, what exactly were their other options since they couldn't kill him? I mean, I guess they could've had the Link of their time, AKA the Hero of Time, AKA the Heroes' Shade take up the Mater Sword and cut him down, but, well, it seemed time was of the upmost essence then. I don't think they could've foreseen him suddenly gaining Triforce power (hey, I made an unintentional pun) and becoming unstoppable. Sure he did that in another timeline, but that was when he had access to the sacred realm, which he doesn't here. They even say it was "Some prank of the gods" that this all happened, what would you have done in their situation? Keep in mind that he already killed off one of the sages so it was likely a fight or flight response to use the mirror.
I'd say it was, Sages: 'let's send a cunning, powerful, manipulative, vindictive warmage carrying a third of our most holy and powerful relic to the very same place we sent those who crafted the Fused Shadow (another highly powered item) that should work out and certainly can't come back to bite us later.'
@@lunarlegacy2744 well what else were they supposed to do, just let Ganon escape and run rampant to destroy Hyrule with the triforce of power!? Their choice wasn’t good, but it was necessary as the lesser of two evils.
While the sword remains in the pedestal, it's powers to repell evil rest within it. So, it's not unreasonable for the forest, evil growing within it and in part feeding off that evil to grow faster as time goes on, and evil continues to grow during the swords slumber.
That movie would of been epic! Love listening to the script, like an awesome audio book. I loved that Jamie talked, I might be in the minority but I would of loved to hear Michael talk, even if it was just once.
Very interesting intriguing and awesome video, I really loved and enjoyed it . I also got a ton of sparks of inspiration for the novella collection series Mysteriarch Mythos anthology I’m working on writing.
on the topic of the snowpeak crest, im pretty sure there's a cave maybe near the lake or maybe hyrule field? idk it's been a while. anyway in the cave, if memory serves, there's intrusions of ice that give of a white hue like the mansion and (i think) a weapons rack like the ones in snowpeak. in HD the crest is visible there too maybe on the rack or a wall or something, at least it was in someone's video, sadly it's another one that doesn't show up on wii which is the system i had and checked it out on. also (though this part i'm really unsure on) it maybe have had an actual name that came up when you entered it like a dungeon
For Christmas, I'm buying Link a computer.
For real though sir thank you for having me! It was a blast as always and these videos turned out so well! Until next time!
Link would be the kind of person that would search for „free rupees fast“
Crossover comment moment.
Thanks bro! I really need one!
I just want TP and WW on switch 😭
I support this motion! All in favor?
WW is the only game I haven't played since I don't own a GC or Wii U
@@jstar3382 WW was so good. I have it for game cube and I LOVE the graphics.
I figure that they may show up on the next system, but I have no idea.
Stop port begging. So annoying. Just emulate or get another console
Those handprints could be Hylian, they would just need to make a mold by pressing a hand into some clay or sand and then the metal cast over the mold.
We in the real world do that so its a high probability thats what the gorons did for the hylians
yeah that was such a stupid take in the video, like have you never heard of a mold before?? wtf lol
My thoughts exactly. We did plaster casts all the time. Making a mold of young kids' hands and feet is like... A fairly common craft.
19:19 Having seen a massive dense forest spring up in a bunch of empty lots near me in a decade, yes.
This. Depending on where you live and its ecological history, lots of regions are just ITCHING to turn into a forest in 10-50 years.
Snowpeak ruins could be the home of the hero's shade, aka the link from OOT. Given its owner was so widely travelled and features a garrison for soldiers. If link from OOT became a knight then its possible the king bestowed him a title and land. We know the shade had fought in battle and wore a knights armor so it seems to fit in my mind.
That does make some amount of sense; In medieval Europe, knights were not only soldiers, but property owners. In return for their service, they were usually given a parcel of land and property items by the lord they served.
Love the idea! Something that fascinated me when replaying this game was just how connected the Hero of Time is to the Hero of Twilight.
@@NintendoBlackCrisis Quite possibly the most quickly assessed and well reasoned initial reaction I’ve read in a while from Symbolik. This makes so much sense if (as you assess) you include the fact that the Twilight Princess HD update allowed us to better see who was depicted on two of the wall portraits; specifically, Rutela and Rauru. Why would a random nobleman have portraits of these two, unless that nobleman was The Hero of Time? While the later of the two is kinda obvious, the former takes some digging, mainly because we know Rutela to be the wife of former King Zora and therefore deeply connected and indeed indebted to the Hero of Time. Also, pretty sure nobody knew what Rauru even looked like given he existed in the Chamber of the Sages for who knows how long. Haha!
As stated: The shards of the Mirror of Twilight come to rest at pretty significant locations with the lore we now have at hand, that is, the Sacred Grove and its connections to OoT and The City in the Sky and it’s possible connections to both early Hyrule and possibly the Zonai. It would stand to reason that the former dwelling of the Hero of Time would be another.
As stated in the video: Ashei’s story is expanded upon more in the manga and she states that it was her noble family’s former home, the estate of a great knight of Hyrule before they abandoned it. We know she “grew up in the mountains with [her] father, who was a knight in his own right. He taught [her] the arts of war as though [she] was his son." We can likely assume that the Hero of Time expected his lineage to include those worthy of the Master Sword but that many didn’t measure up. Also, explains why Ashei and her team are examine the Sacred Grove at the credits. She probably always felt like she didn’t measure up to her legacy -just as the Hero’s Shade regretted that he was not remembered as a hero. It’s all rather tragic actually.
Well reasoned by Symbolik and this should def get dug into more and I do believe what we learn about the Zonai may reveal more.
@@NintendoBlackCrisis i wish more of the games did that. Subtle hints are nice but sometimes its much more interesting when a past PC in the franchise is directly involved in the story of the next like in Twilight princess. Like if the Hero's Shade was not Link from Ocarina of time he would be far less interesting as a character and feel like just any other game mechanic.
@@rwilliamisen For Rutela to have a portrait isn't surprising given the mountain stronghold was located within proximity to Zora's domain, also the Zora had strong ties to the kingdom of Hyrule, but you are right about Rauru who was an absolute mystery to anyone but the hero of time so far as we know. Also about that last part, i do like the idea of Ashei being a decendant, but i thought i also heard that the people of Faron have some bloodline relation to the Hero of time as well. Id have to read up on that part more but it's not completely impossible that both are true.
The hand prints are inspired from a real tradition. Ozekis and yokozunas (sumo champions and grand champions) often make commemorative stamps with their giant handprint accompanied by their name and rank. This is pretty cool
the water chambers are most likely for cooling down hot metals and rocks, because smelting often uses water a lot as a way to quickly cool off things they're smelting and crafting.
I thought they used Oil to cool it, because the heated steel doesn't react to oil very much.
i think you forgot that zant didnt use ONLY twili magic. ganondorf gave him some of his own power. Midna said herself the curse Zant used on link to turn him into a wolf again, and overpower the light spirits, was ganondorfs own (more speficifically, ganondorfs power given to him by his triforce piece) even Zant says it himself at one point, he's not using Twili magic, his power comes from his ''god''
i like to imagine the only power the twili have is their hair
A good indication usually is the use of orange vs red. The Evil Crystal used to tarnish Link is orange and black, while the Twili's, presumably Zant's powers, like the Shadow Beasts' portals are red and black.
Ganondorf himself appears to Zant as an orange flamey boi
Twilight Princess is full of so many cool dungeons and locations. And this video really hammered away at that. They weren't all perfect, but they were pretty cool. Snowpeak definitely sits as the coolest mystery. It has so many different elements that you have to wonder if it started as one thing (a training facility, guarison to protect from invasion, or a rich mansion) and slowly had the other elements worked into it over time to make what we see in the game. Whether it's something like a monster solider experimentation facility or (like other comments said) a home for the Hero of Time as a reward for service, there's a lot to appreciate.
But the Twilight realm itself might be my favourite thing. It's interesting how things worked out. They were banished there due to a failed grab for power. But they really built a society there and were pretty capable. But it also got twisted further by being used as a dumping ground for dangerous criminals. The Royal Family pushing their problems onto a group that had already had to work to overcome their own failings.
'When will NBC grace us with his "Oh my gosh, is that a Zonai Swirl"?'
Why is that so funny?
Personally I don’t think that the Fused Shadow are inherently EVIL, Dark yes but not evil. Midna was able to use them without getting corrupted. I think only the Twili can use them without getting corrupted by design. Most likely the Fused Shadow were created in a manor that made it corruptive to those who dwell in the Light but not to the Twili.
The twili weren't always monsters, so it makes sense that whatever it is that changed them over time is condensed into the fused shadow.
Bold of you to assume Minda isn't corrupt in the first place. For all we know, she could have been evil, touched the shadow, and then got buffer underflowed into being good.
I love everything about TP’s Temple of Time, from the layout to it’s portal entrance and the forest path leading to it.
The Dungeon Item from the Goron Mine all but confirms that the Events of Majora's Mask actually happened seeing as the Hero's Bow that was in possession of the Goron's here is implied to be the exact same Hero's Bow that the Hero of Time acquired in the Woodfall Temple in Termina. He left it in their possession prior to his death.
TP is in the childhood timeline, after all, and the Hero's Shade is the Hero of Time after he was sent back to his childhood at the end of OoT...
It doesn't take all that long for nature to reclaim stuff. And Hyrule Castle in TP doesn't sit where the one in OOT did.
(Also continually pressing X to Doubt on the oocca building ANYTHING and more just...using what someone else made and subsequently abandoned. Hyrule in general is FULL of ancient ruins and abandoned settlements.)
Have you ever seen how fast some of the plants in LOZ can grow? Check out the Korok tree side quest in WindWaker, and then try saying a forest overgrowing a temple in 100 years isn't likely. Heck, they're lucky every last square inch of Hyrule isn't completely overgrown. (And that includes the Gerudo Desert.)
Excellent point. A LOT can change in 100 years.
The Kokiri/Korok/Deku-related trees could easily grow faster due to their magic powers.
The Snowpeak Ruins as well as the Goron Mines actually are my two favorite dungeons from Twilight Princess, and possibly even from any Zelda at all! I found their design and mechanics so unique, as well as their lore implications, that I doubt we'll ever get any dungeons as unique as these, but I still pray for something close in TotK!
22:01 Speaking of, do you think the blueish skinned redeads of Wind Waker are Sheikah Monks? I mean, from where they’re found to their appearances, it just makes me think it is them, be it warped or otherwise, still protecting where the ground where they’re found.
Zeltik actually has an extensive video on this, titled "The horrifying truth of the redeads... (Zelda theory)", where he analyzes Redeads across every Zelda game and speculates on what they are as a whole and how they fit into each game's lore (including the similarities between WW's Redeads and BotW's Sheikah Monks)
Good point
The intro.
Link is sick of the goats getting out so he BUILDS ANOTHER FENCE!
right?
great vid :)
@6:20 its mentioned that the hand prints look like theyre pressed into the metal. More likely its some sort of metal cast. A hylian could have easily molded their hand to wet plaster, left that to set, imprinted casting sand with the plaster mold, then cast molten metal into it, creating more perminate plauques. Could have been plaster to sand, could have been loat wax casting, but there are many ways to turn safe materials into metal without having to work extensively with dangerous hot metal!
I just felt that the Goron mines were where most Hylians got their metals to make their armor and weapons. It's also where the Gorons get their food source. I also like how Death Mountain feels much larger in TP than in BotW and how the tech is much more advanced in TP.
Also, I always felt that maybe Ashei was from the same region as the mansion but not the mansion itself. She said she was raised in the mountains in a place much like that. And the mini boss I always assumed was just a heavily armored variant of Dinolfos.
Personally I believe that snow peak ruins would have been a noble family or branch of the royal family's private Domus. A well-off double family or especially a somewhat removed branch of the Royal family would definitely have a sizable military force to defend their home. A decent theory for it's remote nature is that they may have been exiled from the main family if they are a branch from the Royal family or they may have had to remove themselves due to some politics regarding inheritance of the Kingdom
I think I read somewhere that Aonuma may have been mistranslated as having said TP takes place "a hundred years" after OoT when he actually meant "hundreds of years" or "at least a hundred years". Another explanation for the decay and overgrowth of the Temple of Time could be it's own mysterious time powers. Like, maybe it shifted itself and the surrounding area into a future state where its decay was much more advanced and a forest had grown around it in order to keep it hidden from intruders. The Temple of Time might also have been destroyed at the end of OoT, rather than fallen into ruin after years and years of neglect. The collapse of Hyrule castle may have caused an earthquake which made the nearby temple and castle town village crumble. Hyrule castle was later rebuilt in a different location while a forest grew around the temple's ruins.
That’s makes sense for the adult timeline but TP is in the child, where Ganondorf didn’t throw a coup. He did start a war so maybe he devastated Castle Town then though
I read a few years ago that Japanese doesn't have singular or plural as we do in English...
@@BaronSengir1008 There are ways to express plurals in Japanese, it's just usually different than how English does it.
After all these years and having played all 3d Zelda's TP is still so dear in my heart. I just love everything about this game, especially the scene when Midna is destroying the barrier will always give me chills
Thanks for your videos ! I totally fell in love with Snowpeak Ruins and Hyrule Castle when I first played it. They're among the best in the series !
I would like to suggest that the twilight "fog" is the basis for Ganondorfs Malice, perhaps corrupted and concentrated into a liquid by the G-dorf. It's visually somewhat similar to Malice, just more orangey and gasious and it clearly demonstrates powerful dark corrupting effects already. For what it's worth, fire head twilight realm Ganondorf also happens to be named Malice Ganondorf, and it's only other time we see Ganondorf incarnated into a giant pure energy head outside of BotW. Not the strongest evidence but I think it has legs.
I'm bout to watch a double batch of twilight princess videos 🤣 both you guys are fantastic, glad to see collabs between zelda content creators 🙏
Regarding "moving" the Temple of Time. At first it sounds unlikely, because how are you going to move a whole stone temple?
But they don't have to move the whole Temple, only the most holy, consecrated part, which could be anything from the sacred stone dais, the master sword pedestal, the goddess statue, or whatever the most holy thing is. Kind of like the Tabernacle in Judaism. The "holy of holies." They could take it anywhere, and build a new temple around it.
TP is the best zelda game yet. Yes I will die on this hill lol. Glad to see more appreciation for it, generally it seems to be ignored a lot overall by most fans.
Honestly I feel you, I was one of those, but I just released a video on my channel reviewing the Arbiters Grounds as a new dungeon ranking series I'm doing, and it really surprised me at how much I ended up loving it. TP might be my new favorite Zelda game after going back to it.
Its not as bad as I used to think, when I came to appreciate the themes, I can't agree that it's "the best game" the world is too big with too little to do, a problem it shares with BOTW, although in tp case due to engine limitations there's even less to do.
There's also a huge issue with limitations in item usage, and not being able to use many items outside of dungeons.
Lttp, Oot, and mm may be overhyped now, but they're all objectively better in terms of being flushed out (taking into mind engine limitations) and better mechanics.
@@Mr.DoubleDG shameless self plug.
@@brogamin179 you're not wrong 😅
A possible explanation for different coat of arms is that the former king was from a different house/family, and thus when he was made king, the experiments were eventually forgotten about and left to rot inside the abandoned building.
7:55 For some reason, I forgot that I was watching an NBC video and just thought "Wow, this dude really slammed NBC like that" lmao
Regarding the Temple of Time, maybe it was destroyed recently? Possibly by Zant?
I also like the theory someone proposed that SnowPeak might be the former Link’s residence.
Doubt it. Looks like the culprit was simply time.
Another possible bit of evidence for the inner Temple of Time being a bit extradimensional in nature: it's nowhere to be found in Breath of the Wild. You can have as good a poke around that back window as you like, you won't be finding many dominion rods. Alternatively, it's evidence that the TP Temple of Time is a distinct building, which is probably the simpler explanation.
Well, the pedestal of the Master Sword in the Lost Woods does look a lot like the one in OoT, so ...
OH MY GOSH, IS THAT A ZONAI SWIRL?!
Thank you Bandit and NBC for that amazing soundbyte at 10:39. Very cool. 😎
Given how the interlopers are, in the vision, depicted as three dark/shadowy versions of Link, what if, rather than a group of exclusively Hylians, Gerudo, or Sheika, it instead was a group that consisted of all three races, hence why we see three "dark Link"s standing in for them in Link's vision of the interlopers?
6:15 has this man never heard of metal casting before?
19:50 i think its the same one because if you look at the map in ocarina of time the place where the church is situated can actually be linked back to kokiri forest
I didn't realize how much of OoT was in TP. I need to replay it ASAP!
Snowpeak ruins could have been an estate. In England, you can find many grand estates that royalty would visit. Therefore, the estate would house the royal guards and equipment in a event it comes under attack.
A forest could 100% grow that fast and that dense in 100+ years! Ever seen an abandoned property get overgrown by weeds and vines? If grass and weeds can consume an entire house in a matter of months, then an entire forest can easily consume an abandoned stone temple left to rot and be forgotten.
The Goron Mines honestly rivalled the water temples in EVERY game bc i just died to lava SO many times!!
I think gorons mine with their hands on a more adhoc basis since setting up a machine would take time, or maybe in preparation of setting up more machinery.
The Goron Mines are the only dungeon, to my knowledge, that you can softlock yourself without any glitches
Usually not a fan of collab videos especially zelda theory ones but you guys did awesome on these. Gonna be so tough to not watxh your vids when Tears of the kingdom comes out until i play it🎃
Fun fact. In the Japanese version of the game, Midna states that the dark fog in the Palace of Twilight is what Zant used to cover Hyrule in Twilight. Here's the translated quote:
Midna: "This black fog is the light-absorbing shadow crystals that Zant magically produced… It's responsible for stealing the light from the spirits and turning Hyrule into Twilight."
Very neat, I need to check that out!
Snow peak could be for guarding the mirror of twilight. The coat of arms could belong to a general that was in charge of keeping the mirror safe. It also looks like the soldiers that stay there were special forces of some sort. Elite soldiers of an unknown race. My guess is that the mirror caused something to happen that forced the garrison to abandon the fortified mansion.
But the mirror getting broken and the pieces separated was a recent thing.
There are a few interesting materials that appear in the LOZ games that are cannon to hyrule. All of the following are cannon to hyrule Goron iron/ steel, various different gems that aren't magical in nature, sky metal, never melt ice that is red/ blue, black steel, adamantium, various elemental metals and gems, various ultra light and ultra strong metals, eternal flames of various types, various high durability wooden or plant materials, and I can keep going but I think that you might get the idea. The reason many of these materials are available to anyone is because of the Goron's in general. The Goron both mine materials that they eat and process into absolutely incredible materials through a mix of processing methods including eating them. One of these many materials is that of goron iron and steel. The list of unique materials that are possibly available for use by the various races means that they would possibly have had multiple times that their civilization became prosperous and prolific then fell and that resulted in various things that were lost like abilities with magic or interdementional travel and other things that were amazing. The next thing is that there are a minimum of six realms related directly to hyrule.
Forest and Desert Temples: mystery, intrigue, history, haunting, dark lore
Goron Temples: mIninG, RoCKs, fiiRRee
Havent been around for a bit but Loving the new intro!
looking forward to more twilight princess content
So like, the thing with the mirror being Hyrule’s ruin… how tf does the royal family possess the triforce of wisdom?? Seems like the plot is always “royal fam did something dumb and now pig guy is winning”
The Royal Family doesn't, Zelda does. And Zelda is mostly right.
@@TheSorrel like when?
@@consumermp In Twilight Princess, she capitulated when keeping the war going would have meant only death to her subjects. She then played the long game and waited. Then, when Midna was gravely injured, she saw that she was important to save Hyrule so she gave her own life (or something) to save her.
In OoT she was also the only one to saw through Ganondorf. Its not her fault her father was so stupid.
@@TheSorrel TP is a much better example cuz OOT is one of her huge mistakes by sending Link back… which lead to the flooding and eventual end to Hyrule.
The TP stuff was 100% the fault of the royal family. Does seem odd that the royal family would act independently of divine wisdom tho…
Goron mines are not usually built strictly for commerce, they are also usually the Gorons primary food sources. add to that that these also appear the gorons main training areas, and the goron mines could definitely be considered sacred by a race who love to eat and train.
As to snowpeak, I believe it is connected to the forest mansion. Both of these structures are far too large to be anything but a main home for anyone, and both feature weapons and armor set aside in rooms, large fortified walls, and exist in hard to reach easily fortified locations, I think these structures date back to the hyrulian civil war. During that time of unrest, it would make sense to have fortifications at every major point of ingress. while death mountain and it's goron inhabitants are certainly a good defense from the north east, snowpeak is off in the north east, where the hebra mountains are located in BOTW. Both dungeons were garrisons set aside for noble families and their soldiers to patrol the mountainsides and prevent foreign troops from crossing into Hyrule.
Of course, no noble is going to want to life in a frozen stone block, so they added plush carpets, nice furniture, Large, roaring fires, etc. The pictures gracing the walls in Snowpeak meanwhile, are either members of the owners family, or their relatives. The forest temple was much the same, a noble family including Meg and her three daughters were tasked with guarding the southern border. Of course, both perished, their soldiers returning as Stalfos and Chillfos.
A little interesting fact as well, both of these dugneons are the only dungeons to have (white) wolfos in them.
Snow peak is in the north west, dummy.
@@Sabcy2 Mostly on point with your reasoning and an interesting analysis, to be sure. The only parts that aren't quite correct is that Meg is the mother of the others; not quite she is just one of the Poe Sisters, (as Navi says). and that there are White Wolfos in the Forest Temple. There are Wolfos, yes, but the White Wolfos only show up in the Ice Cavern.
@@HighPriestFuneral hence why white was in parentheses
A theory at 17:27 if you look at its attack pattern and armor it looks like the first enemy from legend of Zelda a link to the past👀
7:55 Between this and the 40 theories on tears of the kingdom drawing of a zonai swirl, NintendoBC really is making us big gifts today !
(edit : hadn't seen the one at 10:39, this one really ended me)
So... has anyone ever considered that the Twilight Realm is just Hyrule in the distant future? Like, can we all agree that the effect that appears when the Mirror of Twilight is used looks suspiciously like one of Hylia's Time Gates? Plus, calling someone an Interloper, by definition, implies that they had no reason being there. Could the interlopers have just been future Hylians, traveling back in time to steal the Triforce, like what we see in a Link between Worlds with Lorule? They no longer have a Triforce, and everything seems to be going wrong there. Rifts separate the different locations, the sun has effectively died, nothing seems to be going right for the Twili. Plus, they are even turning into monsters, like what happens in a Link between Worlds.
@ғᴇʟɪᴘᴇ ᴘᴏᴇᴛsᴄʜ True, but the Twili need to come from somewhere. The literal definition of interloper is someone who enters or invades something that they had no right or business involving themselves with. As such, they need to either come from somewhere outside of Hyrule, which we never confirmed to exist, or they came from the Twilight Realm itself.
@ғᴇʟɪᴘᴇ ᴘᴏᴇᴛsᴄʜ A fair point. I personally don’t believe that they could come from Termina, as the Hyrule Historia states that Termina was created by the Skull Kid with the power of Majora’s mask, although that explanation is slightly iffy due to the Historia’s questionable lore implications. Also, it is entirely possible that the Twili did originally create the Twilight Mirror, then the Goddesses sent down the light spirits to aid in sealing the Twilight Mirror. It does look like it uses Twilight Magic, while also still looking like a Time Gate.
Edits for autocorrect ruining some lore words
just finished TP for the first time ever. got about half a day into it a few years ago, but started a new save a few weeks ago and finished it. Holds up very well and even on Gamecube it’s a blast
I think that the Snowpeak Ruins are actually the Hyruke version of Balmoral Castle
I really like the ice in snowpeak mansion. And the music.
At this point I live for the
Oh my God is that a zonai swirl in all these videos and I know im not alone it brings me joy
25:20 Were we ever told if the Royal Family was even AWARE of the Sages using the Mirror of Twilight that way?
Im so so sorry but 18:11 that door is lookin a lil Sus
Jokes aside im conivinced that Twilight Princess and Windwaker both take place at the same time and many things we see in both games are the same thing just a alternate form due to being in a different timeline. Look at Colin in TP, looks a lot like Windwaker link if you ask me. But the comparisons dont stop there.
Also makes me think that Majoras Mask Theory video bout Termina being Skull kids memories being warped and made into a parallel reality shows things from different time periods.
Really hoping that Twilight Princess HD releases on Switch.
Additionally, while I do enjoy lore videos like this, where the video maker twists themselves in knots trying to connect events/locations/items from one game to another via the supposed history.... I will always prefer the take that the game are _mostly_ set in alternate realities from one another (the exceptions being the obvious sequels like Majora's Mask or Breath of the Wild 2). For all the rest, you have to handwave away massive changes in geography and location and architecture and supposedly historic items that are wildly different or none existent in other games. Sometimes magic itself functions differently.
Plus, we already have examples of alternate worlds/realities such as the Dark World from Link to the Past, the Twili Realm from Twilight Princess, a similar but different shadow/twili realm in Skyward Sword, Lorule in Link Between Worlds (which is different from the Dark World in that same setting), and maybe more that I've forgotten about. How many more such variants of existence might there be? And what if each has their own history -- often seeming quite similar to one another... and sometimes not. There are even realms of dream as shown in Link's Awakening (which also had a second dream realm within it). Assuming the games are set in some chronological order rather than parallel/concurrent realms of existence is actually kind of weird.
Also... what if one Link could cross over into the realm where another Link exists/will exist/once existed?
Given how the games are made, and that a "history" didn't really exist until sometime after fan-fiction based on it became such a big thing Nintendo decided to just agree to it... and yet still had to retcon the "official" history a couple times and it still doesn't make any real sense even with games made _after_ Nintendo tried to stick to an official history. And I think it's because Miyamoto and Aonuma and others don't really care about a supposed history and are happy to just reinvent the setting and ignore established details of the world aside from the main themes. For that reason, a lot of the lore that's uncovered is probably just wrong -- though Nintendo may adopt it as a retcon if a theory is popular enough -- and a lot more will never slot into place because it was never intended to come together, at least not _between_ games. But within a given game? Yeah, you can probably piece stuff together to figure out _that_ variant's history in part.
You’re absolutely right. As interesting as figuring out the intricacies and mysteries of an overall timeline is, the games were never designed to be that way. Each game is intended to be brand new and self contained. It’s intentional to give the developers the freedom of creativity to do whatever they want in a given game without being restricted by past games. But philosophically, there’s also the whole theme of it all being “legends.” My understanding is that there’s a core story of the legend, including the most important parts like a hero, a princess, a villain, holy relics, and a land that needs to be saved, and each game in the series is just a re-telling or re-imagining or an alternate version of that one same story. Just like a legend or a myth, it’s the same basic story just modified over time by different people.
This was my first Zelda game! I always have fond memories of it
Two videos back to back!
Nintendo Black Crisis really working on that grind.
the handprints in my opinion are when the group of Hylians went to help with the mine the 4 best contributors got to put their hand in mud stamp it into some rocks and then were cut out to use as imprints (EX: the thing that puts the 3 in the toy story 3 intro) then the Gorons shoved those rocks carved around the outline the mud left into the pieces of metal explaining why it looks like the hands had a mark on the metal plates along with the dents on the hands and no they didn't slam their hands into the rocks that would do around a bit less than doing that in the metal, they just placed their hands down on the rocks carved around the muddy outline of the hands and shoved it into the metal.
The biggest shame of TP is we never get to fight the two Twili following Zant, the ones in zelda surrender scene, with those metal masks
Wow another video this early? You’ve made my week
Snowpeak could also be a soldier training barracks
The relations between the Gorons and the humans advancing from OoT was one of my favourite things about the lore of this game I’m glad you mentioned it
Awesome Video Bro!
the fact that whole zonai joke got totally validated is hilarious to me still.
Hyrule Castle? I don't recall seeing Hyrule Castle in Bandit's video, nor was it here. Did you mention why you skipped it and I just didn't notice?
Completely unrelated but something I only noticed just now watching this video, the propellers on the city in the sky would be pulling the buildings downward spinning in the direction they're spinning in
Snowpeak Ruins is very similar to the Forest Temple from Ocarina of Time, they are both abandoned mansion fortresses with ties to the Royal Family. Perhaps the Royal family had many similar fortresses scattered around Hyrule at various times throughout its history that eventually fell to ruin like these two.
Lol that jumpscare. Happy Halloween!
The mines would be considered sacred even just because it's the source of food and wealth for the Gorons.
this vid has one of the only sponsers shoutout i sat through
There are two times when I love Zelda. One is your Skyward Sword or Ocarina of Time type game. The type of game whose lore matters to the whole of the zelda series and understanding that game is integral to understanding every other game. But the other is your Twilight princess, or your breath of the wild. The kind of game that feels so disconnected from everything else Zelda, but still feels absolutely amazing. The kind of game that spends so much time on every intimate detail of every single temple, every tiny little room, item, everything, that you believe it's really alive.
It feels like a contradiction to love both of these kinds of games with all of my heart, but here I am. I will never not love zelda theories, whether they're timeline theories or whether they're just the storied past of a single mansion, temple, ruin, or anything else that somehow has as much lore as any immersive sim could pack into an area
So, after saving Hyrule, the Hero of Twilight went on to become an artist with a really cool website, courtesy of Squarespace
That's my new Head Canon, and no one can change my mind now
Snowpeak Ruins, Lakebed Temple, and City in the Sky are the ideal forms of true Zelda dungeons.
I’m 23 and when this man said OOT 3D I lost it 🤣🤣 my first game ever was the N64 OOT
As far as the Snow Peek Ruins go, there are at least two large portraits of note in the HD version that many seem to overlook. One is of the Zora Queen, and the other is of a man that is not fully in focus holding a child. My logical guess based on what I can make out in the picture, is That the child is a young Link, and the man is his father, possibly a man of high military status and nobility in service to the royal family, one day disaster befell them and Link was sent away, possibly in the care of Russel, who was either there as a distinguished warrior himself, or Link being sent to Russel without him knowing what befell Link's father, being rushed away before whatever disaster arrived. Link could very well be connected to a lost family of nobile warriors, who may or may not be connected with the Zoras, as they live adjacent to one another, meaning, the Zora king may not have been a Zora, but rather a Hylean. But that is just speculation at this point. If you wonder why I suggest this but not that Link himself is part Zora, his father could have had more than one wife. One Zora, one Hylean.
I could be 100% wrong, but hey, it could be possible.
The Zoe’s Queen painting _is_ briefly mentioned in this video
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
😂 OMG is that a Zonai Swirl!!!. I died laughing hard on that part..
I will look forward tomorrow if you Twilight Princess content! It's one of my favorite games and it would be fun to experience it again. They can fix some of the weird graphical stuff they did in the Wii u version
You forgot the final dungeon, the castle!
This is where you explain every Zelda game up until that point. 😜
Great video!
Two episodes in one day? Wow man, insane.
Dude take a nap you're getting these out rapid fire
Maybe TP Link went to the Temple of Light before the events of OoT, and by beating it, freed Rauru, which would explain why he's already waiting for OoT Link after 7 years
My theory is that the Royal family is the only noble family left and they've exterminated all the other ones after the hyrulian civil war
I think that faron woods is the old central Hyrule bc the whole thing with the temple of time. It would just make way more sense if Hyrule wasn't really in the same spot just in the same world. It could be that everything has been pushed north, and there was already remnants of other clans of the same species that exists in oot. In totk it's mentioned that there are other clans so although it's retroactive it would make sense that these are different clans of the same species and the center of hyrule was moved after the destruction of Hyrule. Also the master sword could have an area of effect to hide itself and the sacred realm since that was the entrance and so caused the forests of the kokiri to grow way faster. We do know faron woods is absolutely massive and we barely see any of it in game.
TP is the best
If you like TP, you should see the new Zelda dungeon ranking I did on my channel where I cover the Arbiters grounds from Twilight Princess
Was it REALLY a "poor decision" to banish Gannodorf to the Twilight realm though? I mean, what exactly were their other options since they couldn't kill him? I mean, I guess they could've had the Link of their time, AKA the Hero of Time, AKA the Heroes' Shade take up the Mater Sword and cut him down, but, well, it seemed time was of the upmost essence then. I don't think they could've foreseen him suddenly gaining Triforce power (hey, I made an unintentional pun) and becoming unstoppable. Sure he did that in another timeline, but that was when he had access to the sacred realm, which he doesn't here. They even say it was "Some prank of the gods" that this all happened, what would you have done in their situation? Keep in mind that he already killed off one of the sages so it was likely a fight or flight response to use the mirror.
I'd say it was,
Sages: 'let's send a cunning, powerful, manipulative, vindictive warmage carrying a third of our most holy and powerful relic to the very same place we sent those who crafted the Fused Shadow (another highly powered item) that should work out and certainly can't come back to bite us later.'
@@lunarlegacy2744 well what else were they supposed to do, just let Ganon escape and run rampant to destroy Hyrule with the triforce of power!? Their choice wasn’t good, but it was necessary as the lesser of two evils.
While the sword remains in the pedestal, it's powers to repell evil rest within it. So, it's not unreasonable for the forest, evil growing within it and in part feeding off that evil to grow faster as time goes on, and evil continues to grow during the swords slumber.
Great as always!
That movie would of been epic! Love listening to the script, like an awesome audio book. I loved that Jamie talked, I might be in the minority but I would of loved to hear Michael talk, even if it was just once.
That OH MY GOSH IS THAT A ZONAI SWIRL?! Startled me.😅😅🙂
Let's go, time to find out dungeon stuff!
I’m stuck in a loop of watching the two parts of the collab ! Please help me !
Very interesting intriguing and awesome video, I really loved and enjoyed it .
I also got a ton of sparks of inspiration for the novella collection series Mysteriarch Mythos anthology I’m working on writing.
on the topic of the snowpeak crest, im pretty sure there's a cave maybe near the lake or maybe hyrule field? idk it's been a while. anyway in the cave, if memory serves, there's intrusions of ice that give of a white hue like the mansion and (i think) a weapons rack like the ones in snowpeak. in HD the crest is visible there too maybe on the rack or a wall or something, at least it was in someone's video, sadly it's another one that doesn't show up on wii which is the system i had and checked it out on.
also (though this part i'm really unsure on) it maybe have had an actual name that came up when you entered it like a dungeon