giving a take on the discourse of comparing Boothill and Firefly and crying about powercreep...they are both good so just shut up about it #honkaistarrail #firefly #boothill #idk man why are hashtags a thing
Yeah, that ornament specific for Firefly hurt me. I don´t understant why they make it so specific. But well, i am happy with my current Boothill. Great vid my man. Just a little bit to long heheh
I got into HSR literally because of Boothill. I saw a lot of fanart, people joking about him appearing similar to a certain other father character from Genshin, and even some bits about his tragic backstory. All in all, I was sold, got into the game, was lucky enough to get him early when I won my first 50/50, and it’s been pretty fun playing around with him. I must say, my main criticism for him in terms of trying to build him up as a new player is that a lot of the resources needed to level him and his traces up are resources exclusive to Penacony, which will take a while to get to. Thankfully, some of the stuff he needs can be obtained via synthesis and embers exchange, but not everything. And of course, being a new player means resources are pretty scarce in general early on. Otherwise, he’s very user friendly, especially given how easy it is to get good teammates for him like Pela, Gallagher, and the recent free distribution of Harmony MC. It’s definitely gonna be slow going to get myself a more fleshed out roster, but for the time being, Boothill is working well as an early investment.
I have tried Firefly e2 and to be honest she only feels really good when farming materials or relics. Her team (Gallagher, Ruan Mei, HTB) can pretty much clear the same content even without her on the team. You can't even not use ANY of her teammates without her value going down to the floor. If u take away Gallagher, the team has way less Break Efficiency and her Fire Weakness Implant becomes less useful, and her damage downgrades You can't really take away Ruan Mei without her e6, and taking away HTB is like removing 60% of her overall damage if not even more.
i think boothill is more fun but firefly is just way stronger. She has permanent uptime on her weakness implant, aoe and superbreak in her kit and is faster. Boothills neiche is to MELT bosses but in general firefly is better
Firefly weakness is not permanent boothill does more single target dmg then firefly does on aoe he also has his own dmg with all buffs he gets on break he also dosent rely on any specific Unit to perform
@@hungerquest7862 i didnt say its permanent but that it has permanent uptime, because she implants everytime she uses her enhanced skill. Yes boothill is without supports stronger but the game is built around having supports in your team so that argument is somewhat iffy. And yes boothill does more damage, however i call this the eula effect. Firefly does less damage than someone like acheron or boothill but moves like 3 times when those move once. This is not a screenshot character and you shouldnt be looking at damage per move but damage per turn, in which firefly is competing with acheron.
@@bad_noob1221 boothill Ult is low cost I have both E0s1 I never had issue with boothill having implant issue also boothill takes less turns but weakness break way faster then firefly if u have bronya he is doing both insane dmg and Quick rotations.
@@hungerquest7862 s1 says alot. There is not really a f2p option so that makes a huge difference. I think my opinion is gonna change a bit when they FINALLY release more be lightcones. Firefly isnt the best in either aoe or single target. But she does both so incredibly well, that it doesnt matter. She is effortlessly 1 cycling anyways AND you can play her in wave content too. And as i said boothill evaporates bosses, whereas firefly melts. But melting is still more than enough for any single target content. You will never need boothill if you have firefly however if you have boothill you will NEED an aoe dd
I'm gonna say Boothill's self-reliant is a massive plus. The reason he's self-reliant is because he has every multipliers relevant to Break damage except Res Pen. And none of them is too high that support's buff effectiveness is diminished. And contrary to the name, Super Break, is not better than Break. Boothill talent retrigger up to 480 toughness, then multiply that by 1.7. While Super Break is 225 toughness and multiply by 1.6 (only if HMC and 1 enemy). It's 816 vs 360. This is the Break equivalent to normal damage's Skill/Basic/Ult multiplier. Right now, his best team is a team where over half of the buffs is wasted and he's still doing 300K-500K damage. Imagine in the future, a team that can buff Boothill more effectively.
And FF doses 350K+ per attack and she attacks faster, on top of that HMC and Gallagher/ soon to be Lingsha can output well over 100K+ Damage themselves and RM getting like 20/30K per basic. So maybe people Blindly look at FF meanwhile ignoring the rest of the team output Sub DPS lvl Damage numbers…
@@The_CodFish69 FF has higher speed on her own but Boothill + Bronya is effectively doubling his speed might be even more if Bronya E2, so BH will have more action. Which is only fair, since FF without HMC only do 100k at best Boothill has more room to grow since none of his stat is overinflated like FF's BE and speed, so buffs from support will be of more value. And it's not like Boothill cannot run Super Break team. Bronya > HMC is because there's no Physical Gallagher, Bronya not only help BH do more damage but also Break faster too.
@@silvalgalewalker503yet it still does less damage then the FF team and isn’t AOE and once Lingsha is out it’s even worse for him. And he doesn’t break faster at the start he needs 3 stacks to do so. As for Speed it’s still in FF favor because at best BH moves 3 times in the same time FF moves 4. And what do you mean buff effect him more? They both scale off BE and SB/BE buff off the same things there’s no difference… Unless you’re talking about the Crit side of things but you do know the Crit Damage isn’t even 10% of his total damage so buffing that is literally useless.
@@The_CodFish69 He gain stacks very fast with trash mobs, 2 stack he already has toughness damage equal to FF. Lingsha may not help him break but she might still bring more buff for him. And if not. Lingsha LC is good for him. Also this is barely a point against Boothill since this can be fix by a Physical Break sustain. There's no on the horizon but it's like saying Kafka is bad because Black Swan wasn't released yet. Especially when my original comment is about the future. As for AoE, Boothill is boss fight specialist and he's amazing at it. And he still good at general content. Not every character need to be a Swiss army knife.
@@The_CodFish69 And again, not like Boothill can't run Super Break team. Bronya > HMC because Bronya bring more than just damage. Plus Boothill is already overkilling bosses, with HMC, sometime Super Break didn't even get a chance to proc.
I wish i would've pulled boothill, too. Was limted on pulls so waited for ruan mei and FF but then ended up dropping $200 and got e2s1 Firefly and e0s1 Ruan mei in 300 pulls. With 76 pulls remaining QQ. I should have tried but wasn't initially gonna spend until i played the dam ff gundam. It hits the dopamine
Everyone in comments complaning about boothills pocket trickshot and single target nature like he is only one in his team while acting like firefly has her entire team 24/7 remove 1 Unit from firefly team, boothill automatically becomes best in that team racking up pocket trickshot is not hard even against only elites if u have best in slot team for boothill All this without having a dedicated relic set or planar set only thing i can agree on is when enemies dont have physical weakness and there multiple of them its becomes really annoying and also his generic single target nature maybe annyoing for alot of people. But from personal experience against single target he has close to 100% uptime on his weakness implants he almost does same number of single target dmg as firefly does aoe in same break stats in same team.
In a game where pulls are so limited, I can't honestly recommend Boothill when Firefly does the job much better. It's just plain simple. She LIBERALLY implants fire weakness, she damages, breaks and kills multiple enemies rather quickly, she has full access to Gallagher's insane weakness breaking speed, and she's the best DPS suited to deal super break damage. And with limited break supports at the moment, only 1 Break DPS can really take full advantage of THE "Break Team" at a time. Sure, Boothill can work with Bronya, Pela and a sustain/another support, but really, "can work" isn't the most optimal. Whether or not Boothill was powercrept before his banner even came out doesn't matter - even if it was true. It doesn't even matter that legions of videos of CCs showcasing Boothill's ability to 0 cycle through aggressive turn manipulation exists - because Seele can do the same. What matters for most people is who does the "Break DPS" job the best and easiest - and its Firefly. Not trying to hate on Boothill. I pulled his E0S1 - same with Firefly. I really like his character and he's fun to play. But just because I like him doesn't mean I'm oblivious of the reality between these two DPS characters.
@Shay_D_Mann hey thanks for stopping by. Not everyone is gonna agree and that's cool. Firefly is absolutely an amazing unit, and while it's still definitely true that her damage suffers alot more than Boothill's does if you arent running her optimal lineup, (I.e. she loses alot more damage from Ruan Mei's absence than Boothill does, for example.), she does absolutely have some advantages over the cowboy. Some of the ones you mention are some of the same ones I bring up as well. I would definitely say the limited selection of break supports is a short term issue tho, as it's almost a guarantee that more are going to come out. In the end, if you pulled Boothill, and are building him with a good team, and solid investment, you're going to probably get pretty good clears. If you pulled Firefly, and are investing in her and her team, you will probably get more clears. If you favor one, or both, or neither, that's cool. Appreciate you giving your thoughts, and thanks for watching.
@@sockgolem3413 For sure. Your vid's pretty cool, but I just really wanted to share my thoughts on this because, despite HSR's generosity with our pulls, we can really only get a DPS every now and then as F2P - every pull decision has to count. I see a lot of people saying Boothill = FF or even Boothill > FF and it makes me uncomfortable that a lot of guide makers are pandering to the community's opinions over cold hard facts. Although I get it - say something negative in the Hoyo game community and people will torch you for it. So when Firefly's V3 came out before Boothill's banner was even released, I couldn't recommend to anyone who is F2P, in good faith, that Boothill is the better character or to pull him at all. It doesn't help that Hoyo screwed over Boothill through the changes in the cavalry relics, and that they didn't give him an Action Advance mechanic like his pre-beta iterations once had. It's a shame really, because outside of Yunli's parry playstyle and Seele's Resurgence procs, I think Boothill is probably the most fun character to play in HSR, especially in the JP dub with the JP VA going all wild with his battle lines.
@@Shay_D_Mann respectfully yes FF is easier to use but to say she is objectively better than Boothill's is disingenuous at best. This is for a plethora of reasons but the biggest being that FF only has one team (I have NEVER seen this be a pro) and her dmg (it's HMC dmg actually) hinges off the investment of said team and not so much herself. even when you exodia FF her exodia is much easier to use than Boot's but it doesn't mean it's better. I can easily recommend both (favoring boot) since they both Clear all the content in 0 cycles (FF needs her team to do so), however i do worry for FF longevity because all it would take is another dps to show up and out preform her in her premier team, whereas boothill is probably the most plug and play dps i've ever seen. (FF's best team has Boothill in it lmao) "it makes me uncomfortable that a lot of guide makers are pandering to the community's opinions over cold hard facts." Im curious where you got this from because the community really seems to glaze the shit out of FF despite her obvious issues (only IWTL & Moon points this out). If anything I feel guide makers are pandering too FF because any other character being as restrictive as her would not fly so easily (look at jade lol). There is only two points that holds boothill back, he needs time to ramp (every MOC gives him this luxury) and 2nd he will make it abundantly clear you have a skill issue (unlike FF where you virtually can't mess up). Now I feel that I have shat on FF a bit too much, FF has the easiest kit to play, the Highest dmg Floor of any character (because of HMC), fastest unit in the game, will never be off element, and has a Fairly cheap team only needing one other limited 5 cost (ruan mei) and the other two are free (HMC and Gallagher). Boothill is the Most Versatile unit in the game (try boot + Acheron), the Highest single target in the game, best team isn't Super Break Core (Ruan mei, HMC, and Gallagher), has a track record of 0-cycling EVERY moc (cant post links), FF's best team includes him, despite not having a signature relic or planar still keeps up or beats his competition easily. enough of the glazing but there's a reason why boothill has a meme saying he can 0 cycle with nothing (no ruan mei, no bronya, no LC, no moc buff, No 5 stars,) because he is HIM. Icing on the cake is that i have a friend that has an e4s1 FF and still get pissed off my e0s1 boothill does more dmg lmao. (he might e6 his FF) luckily there is no pvp, so at the end of day who cares pull for either and you will win the game! tbh FF is easy mode and the Boot is normal mode lol.
@@pieman2025 well "hinges off the investment of said team and not so much herself. " you barely need any investment for the optimal FF team to work, i managed to get pretty useable (2-cycle MoC) relics for FF and RM as well as enough mats to unlock all big traces of RM and 8-8-8 her. I got all of those within 35 stam potions, not alot considering i poured more than double that into acheron alone to get her to a semi-optimal state
@jtslade4709 no shit nate a hunt character is meant to do more than a destruction I don't like how long bro takes to set up he most verstile u say that is a lie bro he have to get those trick shots up until u do major weakness break efficency whereas as ff u can skill ult on first turn and break weakness faster especially with gallagher and ff has way better implants firstly implanted fire weakness to main target then doing breaking weaknesses even if they don't have a fire one and how about pure fiction ff is clear of him her team is too good having ff and himeko in pure fiction turns game to ez mode whereas boothill I tried bur I didn't go well. Next his implants are way worse than ff like its soo slow what if someone not physical weak and don't have ult I find it super annoying with the implant of boothill and finally bro can't even gap ff in aployotic shadow that meant to be a game mode where hunt Cook yet in his preferred game mode he still can't cook and disagree what u said I think ff is more verstile
ive only been playing for a couple months so boothill was the first 5 star dps i pulled for and hes easily been the best investment ive made. hes super fun to play and his skill is literally the win button. i wanted firefly too but my new player f2p ass needed ruan mei more so i’ll have to catch her on her rerun 💔
He's very satisfying to play, glad you like him, and with how popular firefly is, I wouldn't be surprised if she reran before boothill anyway. Thanks for stopping by, and glad you liked the video.
Wow so many people have stopped by to comment, and the video is nearing 2k views? I really appreciate it! This is by far my most watched video, so really thanks for stopping by, if there are any topics you want me to talk about let me know. Cant guarantee anything, in part because there are some topics i dont know that i can really make a solid point on, but ill look into it.
They should've made the ornament set be: When the character attacks and enemy with the corrasponding element as the character gain 40% break effect. Becuase then it could've been used on any break focused characters.
In the premium superbreak team (HMC, Gallagher, Ruan Mei), Firefly is way, WAY better than Boothill, but if you dont have Ruan Mei in that team, then Boothill is better. Why? Well, without Ruan Mei's break efficiency and delays, Firefly can't break enemies fast enough, nor can she kill them before they recover from weakness break, but Boothill can. He doesn't need Ruan Mei for break efficiency or delaying enemies, and if Boothill's nuclear single target dmg doesn't kill then once broken, then the 90k+ bleed procs will. Before you ask: yes I have both of them AND Ruan Mei. I tested them in MOC 12 with different teams and that was the conclusion I reached.
You've brought up some good points, but I have to disagree on some of them. Specifically, about Boothill's ease of build being only a positive. Sure, it can be nice to have 2 slots for relics where mainstats don't matter in the slightest, but that also means your potential ceiling is much-much lower, if you decide to invest into his relic build. So, the difference between a mediocre build you scrapped toghether in 5 runs and a literal perfect build with 0 wasted rolls will be much smaller, than in FF's case. And you'd usually want your main DPS to have as much room for improvement as possible, so you could focus your investment. Also, the fact that FF's entire team can use the new planar set is so unfair it hurts, they basically get a headstart of 4 substats over Talia users without any extra requirements for activation. Now that sounds like "ease of build" to me. Also, Boothill's requirement for ramping up Pocket Trickshot stacks is a much bigger downside than people realize. The moment you're up against multiple elites/bosses with high toughness bars and no trash mobs - you're screwed. And spoiler alert - the next Apoc. Shadow rotation is exactly that. A 900 toughness boss with two elite summons and no trash. Anyone who doesn't have Boothill's E1 or Ruan Mei - good luck trying to get your stacks before the timer runs out.
Hey thanks for checking out the video, and leaving some thoughts, I appreciate it. I can definitely see your point about how you can look at the ease of building argument in a different way. I still view Boothill's building simplicity as an overall positive, especially for newer, or more casual players since they can get a decently set up powerful dps with an overall pretty minor time and fuel investment (though of course relic domains can always screw you, so time spent will always vary), and you're definitely right about Firefly's planar set being a big advantage, but like I said, I feel like the two do both have pros and cons that, in the end, prevent one from just totally outshining the other. Thanks for stopping by and feel free to stick around!
@@sockgolem3413 I have to agree with the OP here. "Ease of building" is not really much of a positive when it sacrifices a much higher performance ceiling. Building characters can be done relatively quickly, even for a F2P. "Ease of Building" means nothing once a character is fully built, if anything, it feels like lost opportunity to have invested in another stat.
I would say so, it's much easier to find a relic with 1 or 2 substats that you want instead of looking for one with 3 or 4 substats that you want. Of course Relic RNG is always gonna find a way to be awful either way i suppose.
With the 2.3 Penacony quest ending with her and us oh so romantically holding hands, falling below the fireworks in the sky... Yes, Hoyo forced this idea on the players and that's it: you're her hero, she's your hero, and not as terrifying nor dangerous as she was supposed to be. At least not as dangerous as the time we were fighting her @@The_CodFish69
@@enri3080 we had a mini date with her in 2.0 so stop the cap we knew this was alrdy a thing they were pushing. And even with all of that nothing changes with her character and what I said still holds up.
I liked boothill cuz i think his designs were awesome and he is practically a designated boss killer, ff i git lucky and got her in 2 pulls so honestly boothill is more fun ff is good, but not as fun
This might be a hot take but I think firefly is severely held back by the severe lack of utility Hmc has a support. If you look in terms of utility, Hmc basically provides nothing, he just buffs damage and not really anything else, he helps break but only on imaginary weak, other then that he just sits there and gives your team superbreak, no action advance no spd buff or anything. It can be argued that since he can spam his ult he can hold ddd and spam ddd very well, but that often comes at the loss of not just his damage but team damage as opposed to using a BE lightcone like memories or psim. So, the fact that ff is this reliant on Hmc actually holds her back like quite a bit. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Hmc got powercrept by a better version. A lot of ppl will probably disagree and that’s fine, this is just my opinion as a firefly main that’s been playing her a decent amount in a variety of content
Really? Hoyo did say HMC was made for firefly and I understand why they almost solve each other's problems I disagree with firefly having no utility she does in fact speed boost great ult uptime AA once her ult is activated the problem is her damage is laughable and that's when HMC comes in with the damage boost yes HMC has nothing else to offer except damage boost and breaking(if the enemy is imaginary weak )but firefly can make the most outta of it tho I do agree that I don't like the idea that firefly is so dependent on HMC it's fine cuz he is free but I hope they don't do this for limited character in the future
@@max_mojo4917 I’m mainly talking about what Hmc provides. Yes firefly herself has utility and that’s the only reason Hmc and firefly synergy is even good. If Firefly was like, Boothill for example that has no self speed buffd, and let’s say hypothetically he’s extremely reliant on the exact same supports, then he’d be mid beyond belief because wtf is 2-1 actions every cycle on Boothill gonna do? Boothill got saved because since he isn’t reliant on Hmc he can opt for other support with significantly more utility like Bronya Robin or even Tingyun. If Firefly hypothetically has access to a support that gave her 1+ action every cycle, then it’d skyrocket her viability in high level play like 0 cycles which she is kinda lacking in rn.
They traded the adicional support for 100k+ sb damage on their own. If you compare that to RM, rm does way less SB but provides more party benefits, its almost like... The characters are balanced????
Q. Boothill or Firefly?
A. *Ruan Mei*
Yeah, that ornament specific for Firefly hurt me. I don´t understant why they make it so specific. But well, i am happy with my current Boothill.
Great vid my man. Just a little bit to long heheh
I got into HSR literally because of Boothill. I saw a lot of fanart, people joking about him appearing similar to a certain other father character from Genshin, and even some bits about his tragic backstory. All in all, I was sold, got into the game, was lucky enough to get him early when I won my first 50/50, and it’s been pretty fun playing around with him. I must say, my main criticism for him in terms of trying to build him up as a new player is that a lot of the resources needed to level him and his traces up are resources exclusive to Penacony, which will take a while to get to. Thankfully, some of the stuff he needs can be obtained via synthesis and embers exchange, but not everything. And of course, being a new player means resources are pretty scarce in general early on. Otherwise, he’s very user friendly, especially given how easy it is to get good teammates for him like Pela, Gallagher, and the recent free distribution of Harmony MC. It’s definitely gonna be slow going to get myself a more fleshed out roster, but for the time being, Boothill is working well as an early investment.
damn this was a great video keep it up!
thanks, I'd like to think I'm starting to figure some stuff out as far as this stuff goes
I have tried Firefly e2 and to be honest she only feels really good when farming materials or relics. Her team (Gallagher, Ruan Mei, HTB) can pretty much clear the same content even without her on the team. You can't even not use ANY of her teammates without her value going down to the floor.
If u take away Gallagher, the team has way less Break Efficiency and her Fire Weakness Implant becomes less useful, and her damage downgrades
You can't really take away Ruan Mei without her e6, and taking away HTB is like removing 60% of her overall damage if not even more.
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i think boothill is more fun but firefly is just way stronger. She has permanent uptime on her weakness implant, aoe and superbreak in her kit and is faster. Boothills neiche is to MELT bosses but in general firefly is better
Firefly weakness is not permanent boothill does more single target dmg then firefly does on aoe he also has his own dmg with all buffs he gets on break he also dosent rely on any specific Unit to perform
@@hungerquest7862 i didnt say its permanent but that it has permanent uptime, because she implants everytime she uses her enhanced skill. Yes boothill is without supports stronger but the game is built around having supports in your team so that argument is somewhat iffy. And yes boothill does more damage, however i call this the eula effect. Firefly does less damage than someone like acheron or boothill but moves like 3 times when those move once. This is not a screenshot character and you shouldnt be looking at damage per move but damage per turn, in which firefly is competing with acheron.
I think they are equal
@@bad_noob1221 boothill Ult is low cost I have both E0s1 I never had issue with boothill having implant issue also boothill takes less turns but weakness break way faster then firefly if u have bronya he is doing both insane dmg and Quick rotations.
@@hungerquest7862 s1 says alot. There is not really a f2p option so that makes a huge difference. I think my opinion is gonna change a bit when they FINALLY release more be lightcones. Firefly isnt the best in either aoe or single target. But she does both so incredibly well, that it doesnt matter. She is effortlessly 1 cycling anyways AND you can play her in wave content too. And as i said boothill evaporates bosses, whereas firefly melts. But melting is still more than enough for any single target content. You will never need boothill if you have firefly however if you have boothill you will NEED an aoe dd
youre very funny mister sock golem
thanks, glad you enjoyed the video
God bless you Sock Golem. This video did make me chuckle
Boothill vs Firefly
Me: *glances at BH, FF, HTB, Gall comp*
both.. both is good.
I'm gonna say Boothill's self-reliant is a massive plus.
The reason he's self-reliant is because he has every multipliers relevant to Break damage except Res Pen. And none of them is too high that support's buff effectiveness is diminished.
And contrary to the name, Super Break, is not better than Break. Boothill talent retrigger up to 480 toughness, then multiply that by 1.7. While Super Break is 225 toughness and multiply by 1.6 (only if HMC and 1 enemy). It's 816 vs 360. This is the Break equivalent to normal damage's Skill/Basic/Ult multiplier.
Right now, his best team is a team where over half of the buffs is wasted and he's still doing 300K-500K damage. Imagine in the future, a team that can buff Boothill more effectively.
And FF doses 350K+ per attack and she attacks faster, on top of that HMC and Gallagher/ soon to be Lingsha can output well over 100K+ Damage themselves and RM getting like 20/30K per basic.
So maybe people Blindly look at FF meanwhile ignoring the rest of the team output Sub DPS lvl Damage numbers…
@@The_CodFish69 FF has higher speed on her own but Boothill + Bronya is effectively doubling his speed might be even more if Bronya E2, so BH will have more action. Which is only fair, since FF without HMC only do 100k at best
Boothill has more room to grow since none of his stat is overinflated like FF's BE and speed, so buffs from support will be of more value.
And it's not like Boothill cannot run Super Break team. Bronya > HMC is because there's no Physical Gallagher, Bronya not only help BH do more damage but also Break faster too.
@@silvalgalewalker503yet it still does less damage then the FF team and isn’t AOE and once Lingsha is out it’s even worse for him.
And he doesn’t break faster at the start he needs 3 stacks to do so.
As for Speed it’s still in FF favor because at best BH moves 3 times in the same time FF moves 4.
And what do you mean buff effect him more? They both scale off BE and SB/BE buff off the same things there’s no difference…
Unless you’re talking about the Crit side of things but you do know the Crit Damage isn’t even 10% of his total damage so buffing that is literally useless.
@@The_CodFish69 He gain stacks very fast with trash mobs, 2 stack he already has toughness damage equal to FF.
Lingsha may not help him break but she might still bring more buff for him. And if not. Lingsha LC is good for him. Also this is barely a point against Boothill since this can be fix by a Physical Break sustain. There's no on the horizon but it's like saying Kafka is bad because Black Swan wasn't released yet. Especially when my original comment is about the future.
As for AoE, Boothill is boss fight specialist and he's amazing at it. And he still good at general content. Not every character need to be a Swiss army knife.
@@The_CodFish69 And again, not like Boothill can't run Super Break team. Bronya > HMC because Bronya bring more than just damage. Plus Boothill is already overkilling bosses, with HMC, sometime Super Break didn't even get a chance to proc.
I wish i would've pulled boothill, too. Was limted on pulls so waited for ruan mei and FF but then ended up dropping $200 and got e2s1 Firefly and e0s1 Ruan mei in 300 pulls. With 76 pulls remaining QQ. I should have tried but wasn't initially gonna spend until i played the dam ff gundam. It hits the dopamine
dropping 200 dollars is crazy bro 😭
Everyone in comments complaning about boothills pocket trickshot and single target nature like he is only one in his team while acting like firefly has her entire team 24/7 remove 1 Unit from firefly team, boothill automatically becomes best in that team racking up pocket trickshot is not hard even against only elites if u have best in slot team for boothill
All this without having a dedicated relic set or planar set only thing i can agree on is when enemies dont have physical weakness and there multiple of them its becomes really annoying and also his generic single target nature maybe annyoing for alot of people. But from personal experience against single target he has close to 100% uptime on his weakness implants he almost does same number of single target dmg as firefly does aoe in same break stats in same team.
Because you're in a fudging mood 👍. Thanks for the video, son of a nice lady.
I have Boothill (taste reasons), Firefly (meta reasons) and Ruan Mei.
In a game where pulls are so limited, I can't honestly recommend Boothill when Firefly does the job much better. It's just plain simple. She LIBERALLY implants fire weakness, she damages, breaks and kills multiple enemies rather quickly, she has full access to Gallagher's insane weakness breaking speed, and she's the best DPS suited to deal super break damage.
And with limited break supports at the moment, only 1 Break DPS can really take full advantage of THE "Break Team" at a time. Sure, Boothill can work with Bronya, Pela and a sustain/another support, but really, "can work" isn't the most optimal.
Whether or not Boothill was powercrept before his banner even came out doesn't matter - even if it was true. It doesn't even matter that legions of videos of CCs showcasing Boothill's ability to 0 cycle through aggressive turn manipulation exists - because Seele can do the same. What matters for most people is who does the "Break DPS" job the best and easiest - and its Firefly.
Not trying to hate on Boothill. I pulled his E0S1 - same with Firefly. I really like his character and he's fun to play. But just because I like him doesn't mean I'm oblivious of the reality between these two DPS characters.
@Shay_D_Mann hey thanks for stopping by. Not everyone is gonna agree and that's cool. Firefly is absolutely an amazing unit, and while it's still definitely true that her damage suffers alot more than Boothill's does if you arent running her optimal lineup, (I.e. she loses alot more damage from Ruan Mei's absence than Boothill does, for example.), she does absolutely have some advantages over the cowboy. Some of the ones you mention are some of the same ones I bring up as well. I would definitely say the limited selection of break supports is a short term issue tho, as it's almost a guarantee that more are going to come out. In the end, if you pulled Boothill, and are building him with a good team, and solid investment, you're going to probably get pretty good clears. If you pulled Firefly, and are investing in her and her team, you will probably get more clears. If you favor one, or both, or neither, that's cool. Appreciate you giving your thoughts, and thanks for watching.
@@sockgolem3413 For sure. Your vid's pretty cool, but I just really wanted to share my thoughts on this because, despite HSR's generosity with our pulls, we can really only get a DPS every now and then as F2P - every pull decision has to count. I see a lot of people saying Boothill = FF or even Boothill > FF and it makes me uncomfortable that a lot of guide makers are pandering to the community's opinions over cold hard facts. Although I get it - say something negative in the Hoyo game community and people will torch you for it.
So when Firefly's V3 came out before Boothill's banner was even released, I couldn't recommend to anyone who is F2P, in good faith, that Boothill is the better character or to pull him at all. It doesn't help that Hoyo screwed over Boothill through the changes in the cavalry relics, and that they didn't give him an Action Advance mechanic like his pre-beta iterations once had.
It's a shame really, because outside of Yunli's parry playstyle and Seele's Resurgence procs, I think Boothill is probably the most fun character to play in HSR, especially in the JP dub with the JP VA going all wild with his battle lines.
@@Shay_D_Mann respectfully yes FF is easier to use but to say she is objectively better than Boothill's is disingenuous at best. This is for a plethora of reasons but the biggest being that FF only has one team (I have NEVER seen this be a pro) and her dmg (it's HMC dmg actually) hinges off the investment of said team and not so much herself. even when you exodia FF her exodia is much easier to use than Boot's but it doesn't mean it's better.
I can easily recommend both (favoring boot) since they both Clear all the content in 0 cycles (FF needs her team to do so), however i do worry for FF longevity because all it would take is another dps to show up and out preform her in her premier team, whereas boothill is probably the most plug and play dps i've ever seen. (FF's best team has Boothill in it lmao)
"it makes me uncomfortable that a lot of guide makers are pandering to the community's opinions over cold hard facts." Im curious where you got this from because the community really seems to glaze the shit out of FF despite her obvious issues (only IWTL & Moon points this out). If anything I feel guide makers are pandering too FF because any other character being as restrictive as her would not fly so easily (look at jade lol).
There is only two points that holds boothill back, he needs time to ramp (every MOC gives him this luxury) and 2nd he will make it abundantly clear you have a skill issue (unlike FF where you virtually can't mess up).
Now I feel that I have shat on FF a bit too much, FF has the easiest kit to play, the Highest dmg Floor of any character (because of HMC), fastest unit in the game, will never be off element, and has a Fairly cheap team only needing one other limited 5 cost (ruan mei) and the other two are free (HMC and Gallagher).
Boothill is the Most Versatile unit in the game (try boot + Acheron), the Highest single target in the game, best team isn't Super Break Core (Ruan mei, HMC, and Gallagher), has a track record of 0-cycling EVERY moc (cant post links), FF's best team includes him, despite not having a signature relic or planar still keeps up or beats his competition easily. enough of the glazing but there's a reason why boothill has a meme saying he can 0 cycle with nothing (no ruan mei, no bronya, no LC, no moc buff, No 5 stars,) because he is HIM.
Icing on the cake is that i have a friend that has an e4s1 FF and still get pissed off my e0s1 boothill does more dmg lmao. (he might e6 his FF) luckily there is no pvp, so at the end of day who cares pull for either and you will win the game! tbh FF is easy mode and the Boot is normal mode lol.
@@pieman2025 well "hinges off the investment of said team and not so much herself. " you barely need any investment for the optimal FF team to work, i managed to get pretty useable (2-cycle MoC) relics for FF and RM as well as enough mats to unlock all big traces of RM and 8-8-8 her. I got all of those within 35 stam potions, not alot considering i poured more than double that into acheron alone to get her to a semi-optimal state
@jtslade4709 no shit nate a hunt character is meant to do more than a destruction I don't like how long bro takes to set up he most verstile u say that is a lie bro he have to get those trick shots up until u do major weakness break efficency whereas as ff u can skill ult on first turn and break weakness faster especially with gallagher and ff has way better implants firstly implanted fire weakness to main target then doing breaking weaknesses even if they don't have a fire one and how about pure fiction ff is clear of him her team is too good having ff and himeko in pure fiction turns game to ez mode whereas boothill I tried bur I didn't go well. Next his implants are way worse than ff like its soo slow what if someone not physical weak and don't have ult I find it super annoying with the implant of boothill and finally bro can't even gap ff in aployotic shadow that meant to be a game mode where hunt Cook yet in his preferred game mode he still can't cook and disagree what u said I think ff is more verstile
ive only been playing for a couple months so boothill was the first 5 star dps i pulled for and hes easily been the best investment ive made. hes super fun to play and his skill is literally the win button. i wanted firefly too but my new player f2p ass needed ruan mei more so i’ll have to catch her on her rerun 💔
He's very satisfying to play, glad you like him, and with how popular firefly is, I wouldn't be surprised if she reran before boothill anyway. Thanks for stopping by, and glad you liked the video.
Wow so many people have stopped by to comment, and the video is nearing 2k views? I really appreciate it! This is by far my most watched video, so really thanks for stopping by, if there are any topics you want me to talk about let me know. Cant guarantee anything, in part because there are some topics i dont know that i can really make a solid point on, but ill look into it.
They should've made the ornament set be: When the character attacks and enemy with the corrasponding element as the character gain 40% break effect. Becuase then it could've been used on any break focused characters.
Expect I lost the 50/50 for FF😭
In the premium superbreak team (HMC, Gallagher, Ruan Mei), Firefly is way, WAY better than Boothill, but if you dont have Ruan Mei in that team, then Boothill is better.
Why? Well, without Ruan Mei's break efficiency and delays, Firefly can't break enemies fast enough, nor can she kill them before they recover from weakness break, but Boothill can. He doesn't need Ruan Mei for break efficiency or delaying enemies, and if Boothill's nuclear single target dmg doesn't kill then once broken, then the 90k+ bleed procs will.
Before you ask: yes I have both of them AND Ruan Mei. I tested them in MOC 12 with different teams and that was the conclusion I reached.
very tasty video, i am a boothill defender and every time my friends r like "oh boothill got powercrept!!!" im . EYGUIHOUFtgDHIJUIY&TGYDUIYTGUHADHJ .
You've brought up some good points, but I have to disagree on some of them. Specifically, about Boothill's ease of build being only a positive. Sure, it can be nice to have 2 slots for relics where mainstats don't matter in the slightest, but that also means your potential ceiling is much-much lower, if you decide to invest into his relic build. So, the difference between a mediocre build you scrapped toghether in 5 runs and a literal perfect build with 0 wasted rolls will be much smaller, than in FF's case. And you'd usually want your main DPS to have as much room for improvement as possible, so you could focus your investment. Also, the fact that FF's entire team can use the new planar set is so unfair it hurts, they basically get a headstart of 4 substats over Talia users without any extra requirements for activation. Now that sounds like "ease of build" to me.
Also, Boothill's requirement for ramping up Pocket Trickshot stacks is a much bigger downside than people realize. The moment you're up against multiple elites/bosses with high toughness bars and no trash mobs - you're screwed. And spoiler alert - the next Apoc. Shadow rotation is exactly that. A 900 toughness boss with two elite summons and no trash. Anyone who doesn't have Boothill's E1 or Ruan Mei - good luck trying to get your stacks before the timer runs out.
Hey thanks for checking out the video, and leaving some thoughts, I appreciate it. I can definitely see your point about how you can look at the ease of building argument in a different way. I still view Boothill's building simplicity as an overall positive, especially for newer, or more casual players since they can get a decently set up powerful dps with an overall pretty minor time and fuel investment (though of course relic domains can always screw you, so time spent will always vary), and you're definitely right about Firefly's planar set being a big advantage, but like I said, I feel like the two do both have pros and cons that, in the end, prevent one from just totally outshining the other. Thanks for stopping by and feel free to stick around!
@@sockgolem3413 I have to agree with the OP here. "Ease of building" is not really much of a positive when it sacrifices a much higher performance ceiling. Building characters can be done relatively quickly, even for a F2P. "Ease of Building" means nothing once a character is fully built, if anything, it feels like lost opportunity to have invested in another stat.
E2S1 Firefly is just stupidly obnoxious, it literally outperforms every e6 DPS and e6 DoTs out there
is building 2 stats really easier tho?
Yes
I would say so, it's much easier to find a relic with 1 or 2 substats that you want instead of looking for one with 3 or 4 substats that you want. Of course Relic RNG is always gonna find a way to be awful either way i suppose.
@@villecor8765 no
@@villecor8765 up to a certain point yes but trying to get ur chars actually insane, it is WAY harder and thats not debaitable
it just pisses me off that boothill was immediately discarded by them in favour of top selling generic waifu
A Planet destroying, Magical Transforming Mech Girl That’s a wanted intergalactic Terrorist is a
Generic Waifu nowadays nice to know lol…
With the 2.3 Penacony quest ending with her and us oh so romantically holding hands, falling below the fireworks in the sky... Yes, Hoyo forced this idea on the players and that's it: you're her hero, she's your hero, and not as terrifying nor dangerous as she was supposed to be. At least not as dangerous as the time we were fighting her @@The_CodFish69
@@enri3080 we had a mini date with her in 2.0 so stop the cap we knew this was alrdy a thing they were pushing.
And even with all of that nothing changes with her character and what I said still holds up.
I liked boothill cuz i think his designs were awesome and he is practically a designated boss killer, ff i git lucky and got her in 2 pulls so honestly boothill is more fun ff is good, but not as fun
Imo if you can choose just one , I would choose firefly , just for the fact that she's multi target break .
Boothill is the break scalpel and Firefly is the break cleaver
This might be a hot take but I think firefly is severely held back by the severe lack of utility Hmc has a support. If you look in terms of utility, Hmc basically provides nothing, he just buffs damage and not really anything else, he helps break but only on imaginary weak, other then that he just sits there and gives your team superbreak, no action advance no spd buff or anything. It can be argued that since he can spam his ult he can hold ddd and spam ddd very well, but that often comes at the loss of not just his damage but team damage as opposed to using a BE lightcone like memories or psim. So, the fact that ff is this reliant on Hmc actually holds her back like quite a bit. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Hmc got powercrept by a better version. A lot of ppl will probably disagree and that’s fine, this is just my opinion as a firefly main that’s been playing her a decent amount in a variety of content
Really? Hoyo did say HMC was made for firefly and I understand why they almost solve each other's problems I disagree with firefly having no utility she does in fact speed boost great ult uptime AA once her ult is activated the problem is her damage is laughable and that's when HMC comes in with the damage boost yes HMC has nothing else to offer except damage boost and breaking(if the enemy is imaginary weak )but firefly can make the most outta of it tho I do agree that I don't like the idea that firefly is so dependent on HMC it's fine cuz he is free but I hope they don't do this for limited character in the future
@@max_mojo4917 I’m mainly talking about what Hmc provides. Yes firefly herself has utility and that’s the only reason Hmc and firefly synergy is even good. If Firefly was like, Boothill for example that has no self speed buffd, and let’s say hypothetically he’s extremely reliant on the exact same supports, then he’d be mid beyond belief because wtf is 2-1 actions every cycle on Boothill gonna do? Boothill got saved because since he isn’t reliant on Hmc he can opt for other support with significantly more utility like Bronya Robin or even Tingyun. If Firefly hypothetically has access to a support that gave her 1+ action every cycle, then it’d skyrocket her viability in high level play like 0 cycles which she is kinda lacking in rn.
They traded the adicional support for 100k+ sb damage on their own. If you compare that to RM, rm does way less SB but provides more party benefits, its almost like... The characters are balanced????
For Firefly ATK% or Fire% on the ornament?
@@hackdesigner atk% elemental damage bonus doesn't effect break damage, and her kit converts atk into break effect
@@sockgolem3413 thx!
Welp with Lingsha officially revealed this argument is even more one sided now lol…