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Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is undermining Western unity at the NATO Summit | GZERO World
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- Is Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán undermining Europe and Western unity following this year’s critical NATO summit? Just days after Hungary’s nationalist leader met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow and Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing, Orbán left the NATO 75th anniversary summit in Washington, DC to visit former president Donald Trump, a well-known critic of the alliance, at his Mar-A-Lago estate.
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Is Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán undermining Europe and Western unity following this year’s critical NATO summit? Just days after Hungary’s nationalist leader met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow and Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing, Orbán left the NATO 75th anniversary summit in Washington, DC, to visit former president Donald Trump, a well-known critic of the alliance, at his Mar-A-Lago estate.
On GZERO World, Ian Bremmer sat down with Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski on the sidelines of the summit to ask how NATO members deal with a renegade ally like Hungary and the challenges posed by Orbán’s coziness with authoritarian rulers. Orbán’s rogue trips are a sharp contrast with NATO’s unified stance, on full display at the summit, but Sikorski insists Orbán doesn’t represent the EU or NATO.
“Orbán is freelancing on behalf of Hungary, and that’s not a new thing,” Sikorski says, “He’s been denying Ukraine transit of defense goods, he’s also been vetoing the release of European money for Ukraine.”
Hungary also has a complicated history when it comes to its international borders, and Sikorski worries about any leader who is willing to redraw a border using force, rather than diplomacy. He says any negotiated settlement in Ukraine should be negotiated by the Ukrainians, and warns that thinking a partitioned Ukraine is inevitable is similar to the UK Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain’s strategy of appeasing Adolf Hitler in the lead-up to WWII.
“We can win this one,” Sikorski insists, “The Russians have advantage in tanks, but the Ukrainians have advantage in drones.”
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Just make damn sure you're not sharing intelligence with Hungary.
There's not much to share.
I am from Hungary. _Don't_ share intelligence with our current government (that is, as long as Orbán is alive). We would switch side at the earliest opportunity.
Just get Biden to give all intelligence briefings in person.
Good to see him standing up for Ukraine.
Hi Ian !! Would it be possible for you to make on Hungary and NATO vide on : Why Hungary is a NATO member, and why it is still a NATO member !! It sure seems Orban is more aligned with Russia than the west... Thanks
You can't kick out NATO members, plus if Hungary is kicked out, they would probably move toward Russia. Turkey's a NATO member too, with the second biggest military. They are also aligned with Russia in many ways. Should we kick them out so they may move further toward Russia too. So we just have to deal with them cause the alternative is to make things worse for us.
Thank you Ian for sharing!
Thank you, Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski, for your courageous response. And thank you, Ian Bremmer, for speaking with Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski.
"There is never a shortage of pocket chamberlains willing to give up other people's land or freedom for their own peace of mind." - this interview was worth it for that quote alone. But if Kyiv needs us in order to safeguard its own freedom, is it really sovereign at all?
As soon as Ukraine is free to join the Alliance it chooses to join, Ukraine is free.
It's good Ian has finally been called out for being a useful idiot for Russian propaganda. In his position, with his platform it makes little difference that he is probably not a grifter but a genuine softspine.
What do you mean? UKRAINE literally become dictatorship. And approves Neo Nazi groups. Do you think they have free speech to express their concern? They are suppressing jailing political opponents. Kidnapping people on the street for a draft. So much contradiction here. And we are risking nuclear escalation. Don't be naive
@@z.t.500 Bremmer's thesis was in the Russian diaspora in Ukraine so he probably has a grasp of what most Donbass or Crimean residents feel about Russia "extending its sovereignty", to use the Israeli expression
Oof! Called him a "Pocket Chamberlain" was that below the belt?
strong but necessary
Especially given the Poland participation in the partition of Czechoslovakia in 1939 that Chamberlain greenlighted "
Ian can take it.
Yay Poland!
“Yay” what? One second they support Ukraine, the next they don’t.
Orban is a a honest and brave man. VIVA Orban!
Ian must have heard and taken to heart that his analysis should not substitute for policies of the Ukrainian state, which sovereignty the US is obliged to protect. Being called a pocket Chamberlain 😂😂😂 brought me schadenfreude. Thanks for sharing, even if unflattering.
Agreed, Bremmer seems to be either out of touch, should take a closer look at his analysts or is financed by sources we'd like to know off. He's appearances on multiple shows advocating Biden should step aside appears directly playing into Putin's hands as well.
So, what Sikorski might imply is that should Russia win the war with Ukraine, then the Hungarian government expects to get a chunk of Western Ukraine. And, it wouldn't be far stretched to think that Hungary might request Moscow's help to discuss moving the western border of Romania or something of that nature. Hungary has never accepted full-heartedly the consequences of the Treaty of Trianon.
How is this man ? When he sats talking geo-political politics of the 1940s he's lost me "HISTORY NEVER REPEATS ITSELF" only politicians do that.
Good interview with foreign policy professionals. Well done.
Stop with the bs. Hungary is an independent country. He can do what he wants.
I love this guy for calling out the “Chamberlain’s” of the world.
Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski > Ian Bremmer pundit.
If let a cancer griw for a long time eventually ut becimes difficult and painful to remove as ut griws affecting an organism. Orband and Hungary have undermined both EU and NATO.
He saving EU-NATO from getting involved in US proxy wars .
Tks.
Cda
Kick him out. NATO partnership is a privilege, not an obligation. As it stands, I doubt North American countries or European ones would wish to participate in an article 5 involving Hungary. That in itself cannot happen. Therefore, either Hungary changes its position or it needs to be removed from NATO.
Yes! Show this two-bit dictator who has fun putting his finger in our eye the door. Expel Hungary now and conclude the speech announcing the decision with "oh, and one more thing: Mr Putin? Have at it. Take Hungary." And watch the Hungarian people effect change overnight.
Hungary is as likely to be invaded as Austria, Ireland or Switzerland. NATO is most valuable to countries on the Russian revanchist 'menu' - the Baltics, Finland and Poland.
Kick Hungary out so they can move further toward Russia and cause us problems. Yeah that sounds like a good idea.
Europe in general is just a miserable place.
Hungry out of nato because nato is a criminal organization
I think Dr B touched a nerve there... A very good talk.
What people do not understand the most, especially in the USA (which has little knowledge of the world), is the psychological aspect of this war and the great impact this war will have on the perception of the West and on the perception of the West by all enemies of the West.
If Poland feels so strongly about it, why don't they send their forces to kick Russia out ? Bremmer was being extremely polite and got called 'pocket chamberlain' for it. Let me ask a more pointed direct question : Is the Minister okay with the blood of thousands of dead Ukrainians on his hands, only for them to end up with a deal they could have got already in late 2022 ?
Exactly
Even if Ukraine were to recover its territory, the lives are lost and it would take decades to recover physically. Maybe all this was avoidable by simply choosing to be non- aligned.
I think it’s up to Ukrainians to decide if they want to fight or not. Based on what I see right now it doesn’t look like they have given up or being forced to continue fighting. But if you have proof of the opposite - please do share.
@@kostya_stankevych How can they decide if they have no elections their media is all being controlled and they have a f Kill List with some US names on its. Remember Gozalo Lira RIP
Don't be a pocket Chamberlain too. Like the Nazis, Putin would not stop at his newly gained borders. He'll find another lie to continue in short order. This same playbook he has already played with Merkel and the French since the Minsk peace negotiations. Bremmer is totally neglecting the 1994 Budapest Memorandum drafted by the US unless he's in agreement with Putin that that paper is null and void because he didn't sign it. Either we believe in rule of law, internationally signed and recognized treaties and borders or not. If we let Putin reestablish the old Soviet Union borders, Orban demanding Hungarian land back, Serbia claiming that Yugoslavia has always belonged to Serbia and China, North Korea and India going after old borders we're really in deep trouble. Therefore, he deserved being called a pocket Chamberlain.
As the Polish minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr. Sikorski is not only a Polish citizen. A citizenship oath, as far as I know is a pledge to uphold the interests of the given country. So he has more than one set of interests to serve. Isn't that interesting?
Ian! You came off as a chamberlain clown!!! Get with it brother!!!
I hope someone is taking notes.
Every book on the art of war talks about the psychological effect of defeating a dominator first time and how dangerous it is and that after that everyone starts questioning it and it's like a snowball
Yes, but there not tell you whole truth about Orban. You see What Viktor Orban wants is for Vladimir Putin to destroy Ukraine, Romania, and Poland. After Vladimir Putin enslaves 300 million people he Viktor Orban will get the Hungarian portions of the Romania that all.
I share much of Mr Sikorski's views, except that this view places too heavy a burden upon Ukrainian shoulders. Even within the electorate the questions are asked how many Ukrainians need die to liberate, say, Mariupol. NATO has to come to terms that making a citizen-army fight out the entirety of this war could fail. Look how many Ukrainian men are hiding from recruitment or illegally crossing to Moldova... then making their way to the EU where Europe gives them money and housing to flee Ukraine and make others carry all the load. The division of labour where Ukrainians do all the fighting and NATO provides most of the weapons might last three years, but it won't last six.
Sikorsky has his feet on the ground and he is Polish. Polish people do have weak knees. They know that the russians can be beaten. What it needs is will power and stamina. Ruassia is becoming a non entity just like china and NK.
Get Hungary out of the EU/NATO.
NATO:Ukraine is fighting for its sovereignty.
Also NATO: The Prime Minister of Hungary must get our permision to visit other heads of government and world leaders.
😂 3:30 well said!
👍👍👍
of course poland is very happy with the current borders, they have been given land that are not historically theirs, eg silesia, east prussia, Pomerania
What unity? Nato made a mess of it, has already lost this war it started in 2014, caused 600.000 death and made Russia strong, both military as economic. Let’s be glad there is one leader that does what he has to do. Working towards a future that has peace!
So negotiating peace is going rogue now issit
We must continue until Putin has lost.
NATO took a part of Serbia and recognise it as independent state, what is the problem here!?😂
"You do not change borders by force..."
Serbia: "What?"
I understand the complaints about Orban/Hungary, however, does that not prove the point that NATfO may have over-expanded. I am not pro Putin/Russia, but can we not see the other’s perspective, so we can somehow unravel this conflict. All the outside interests have opinions, but the attrition to both armies is awful, even worse is the attrition to Ukraine. That being said, IF and WHEN the conflict does cease, markers must be clear that other countries not invaded. Finally, outside of the Ukraine struggle is the fact that world geopolitics is moving quickly too: China held ‘joint military exercise’ with Belarus close to Poland’s border; India’s leader visits Putin and thanks him for bargain oil supplies, while also expressing concern for civilian deaths in Ukraine. There is a lot going on now.
Nem,nem,soha!Vesszen Trianon!
How dare Orban engage in diplomacy?
Western leaders are clowns😂
what have you expected from an uralian guy?!😂
It is shocking how Viktor Orbán initially positioned himself as a moderate within the EU and NATO, only to adopt increasingly nationalist tendencies throughout his political career. He realized that his nationalist rhetoric secured him lasting support from right-wing voters. Since the end of WWI, one third of Hungarian speakers live within Hungary, while two thirds reside in surrounding countries. This fuels strong revanchist tendencies in Hungary, resembling Putin's Russian imperialism.
As the newly appointed EU Council President, Orbán surprisingly traveled to Moscow to meet Putin, likely staking a claim to Carpathian Ukraine, a region inhabited by ethnic Hungarians. While he appears to advocate for a neutral peace plan that includes a ceasefire, he actually pursues his own expansionist interests. If Ukraine lost its statehood due to the Russian invasion, Hungary would surely claim its western region.
I found it interesting how Radek Sikorski referred to Viktor Orbán as a "mini-Chamberlain." Just as Neville Chamberlain threw Czechoslovakia to the aggressive Hitler as a piece of meat at the beginning of World War II, Orbán acts similarly concerning his interests in the Ukrainian Carpathians. However, the comparison is somewhat flawed. While Chamberlain gave away foreign territory over which he had no sovereignty to Hitler for appeasement, Orbán wants foreign territory for himself and thus seeks appeasement.
The EU faces a tremendous challenge. Orbán's political maneuvers threaten Europe's stability and unity. The Union must act decisively to protect its integrity.
Kick him out
What? By trying to avoid nuclear war by attempting to deescalate the situation in Ukraine? Wake up.
Sikorski strikes me as being particularly dangerous. He is an exponent of full military defeat and breakup of Russia, which can only reinforce the Russians belief that this war is existential to them. They will stay in the fight for years, with the Ukranians losing more of its people and territory, with all the dangers of catastrophic escallation. He has the nerve to suggest Orban is motivated by revisionist ambitions, when much of the Polish polity would see the return large parts of Western Ukraine (Galicia) returned to Poland. Both Hungary and Poland renounced claim to former territores as a condition of NATO and EU membership, so Sikorski is just being cynical and a trouble-maker.
This war is an existential threat to Europe as well
Putin will always use blackmail against Europe if Europe simply does not defeat him. Putin will always consider Europe weak.
You don't understand the mentality of the Russians, if you give Ukraine to Putin, they will always see Europe as weak and that it can be blackmailed. In the long run, Russia will be a constant threat
You also do not understand at all the mental aspect of this war and what the psychological aspect of losing this war will be in the perception of the West in the world and the perception of Putin, who will become the hero of all dictators in the world.
If this war is an existential threat to Europe and NATO then why don't they put up a fight? All they do is make sure Ukranians keep on fighting and dying. A disgraceful and cowardly act! I personally don't feel threatened by Russia, but if a government thinks a country poses an existantial threat, it is criminally negligent, if it fails to mobilize the nation, convert to war economy and send its army into war.
Kudos to Orban, at least a politician who didn't forget about Diplomacy!
And Putin remembers diplomacy? Orban is shrewed and knows he can create an outsized impact swimming against the current. He's playing both sides. That doesn't mean he's a good guy, on the contrary he prefers Hungary succeed at the expense of the EU.
@@robbiep742 Come on, you are really that naive to think anything would be at the expense of the EU.
And yes, diplomacy is the only solution to face it; Ukraine will not be able to win on the battlefield, and this war can only end with negotiations.
Minister Sikorski knows what Putin is up to and that he won't stop with Ukraine.
What's up with the posturing of this guy? Pandering to his domestic chest beaters or something else . If he is so content on defending Every "INCH" why not send polish forces and let's see who will take what ?
Yes, Orban just challenged the legitimacy of NATO’s neo-colonialism.
You should vote for a new president that provides indoor plumbing
@@gont183Western election would just be the drug to our citizens because it changed nothing, except keep our dreaming.
No he didn't he wants the Hungarian speaking portions of Romania with Hungary. To get it he's will to sell you and your family into Russian slavery. That right he wants Russia to destroy Romania, Poland, and Ukraine. As well as the Baltic States. 300 million people colonized for a new Russian Empire. But that he doesn't understand is Vladimir Putin isn't going to give him anything if he succeeds.
@@gont183Election is the drug of capitalism to fool around and paralyze the citizens.
Isn't it a dog fight over land.
Clash of civilization?
Clash of ignorances!
Clash of ignorance with civilisation.
@@juliarichter6987
Agree with me on dog fight first. Then we discuss the rest
@@faizrizahi7280 I don't think it is a fight over land.
Minister Radek Sikorski was rather kind to Ian Bremmer who seems to share the Authoritarian view of a piece meal plan. Sikorski didn't mention Poland's three time partition by it's imperial neighbors. If NATO wouldn't have slow walked the military aid and still have restrictions on how to use the aid, the war would be already over. I would have liked Ian asking Radek's opinion why Orban is making political hay out of the rather small Hungarian minority in Ukraine but is silent about a larger minority in Romania, Serbia Slovakia and smaller pockets in Austria, Slovenia and Croatia. If Orban wouldn't oppose Ukraine's accession to the EU and NATO, his beloved minority could be living border free in both lands or just repatriate them back to Hungary as they have done with the German minority after WWII. The Hungarian Nazis already fled before the Red Army came marching in. Merkel and the French had tried to negotiate with Putin since 2014, but also denied Ukraine and Georgia NATO membership in 2008. That's the appeasement legacy of Germany and France in the 21st century.
What an utterly wrong assumption of Orban's trip. First of all, Hungary has the 6 month presidency ofthe EU. Orban does not have to ask Ursula to go to Kiev and Moscow.
Secondly, it shows how completly unwilling the West is, to make peace. This guy's completly biased view shows everyone how fare away of reality he is
Viktor Orban doesn't want peace. Viktor Orban wants Vladimir Putin to destroy Ukraine, Poland, and Romania and enslave 300 million people. Then after that has happen Viktor will get the Hungarian speaking portions of Romania and incorporate them into Hungary. That is what Viktor Orban wants. He already dividing the up Eastern Europe. He wants Empire.
Viktor Orban is willing sell you and your family into slavery to the Russians to get what he wants.
undermining unity if stupidity is not sin...
Kick Hungary out of nato
Nato's obsession with Ukraine will be a very bad thing for world peace .
Russias obsession with Ukraine is very bad for world peace, as countries like China, India, Iran etc. chose to support the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country.
Shame on him for pursuing sovereign interests. Everyone needs to follow American leadership or pay the price.
Get a 🧠because you are ignorant 🤮🤮🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Only Hungary, to its credit, has the open mind to discuss with both sides. NATO only sides for war, with a nuclear end. Pompous Nato leaders think themselves as the good guys, when they are not.
Good point Vlad.
Gi go Orban just the best!
Well done Orban...tired of the war mongering west
Nope victor orban went to see Vice President Donald Trump to discuss Ukrainian peace proposals 😂😂😂
3:43 Here’s where America shows its baby age of 250 years… when does American History turn into European History into World History, DNA and art imitating life?
Climate Change Indicates moving on and being sophisticated mutually respected human beings?
There’s a tv show game of thrones and it has dragons and something about the Medicis? It looks thrilling!
Slava Hungary these people are vultures don't care save your brothers from their wars
Victor Orban 👍👍👍
Delusional interview…go Orban!