The only thing holding me back from switching to Garmin from my AW is lack of cellular connectivity because I don't take my phone on runs. I use the RadarScope and weather apps on my AW during the summer to monitor weather because we get a lot of severe storms. I've looked at different belts, vests, etc. to carry my phone but I just can't get used to it. I can't justify juggling both.
Very happy with my Garmin Venu 3, I do the odd hike, have started running, and play a few sports a week. Not to mention the battery would last a week if I stretched it out. Zero complaints so far!
I will say this once and for all: both are capable watches, and both will meet 95% of the needs of any user. Short of a 100 mile race, both will handle anything you throw at them. That said, I own both an Ultra 1 and an Epix Pro 47. Happy with both and love both.
This exactly what I’ve done I had the ultra since it came out and just jumped ship to Garmin but got the fenix sapphire solar and I love it, it’s crazy to say I don’t miss the ultra
Had a Fenix 5 pro for ever, went to the AWU for two years and love it, it did everything my Fenix did after downloading Athlytic and WorkOutDoors. Got an Epix Sapphire 2 and love it. I do miss my AWU every now and then, specially when I want to leave my phone at home but have emergency contact if I need it, I also liked the looks and convenience of doing a lot from my wrist.
I currently have an Apple Watch. Battery life is the single most annoying feature of Apple Watch. I have had it for only a couple of years and like the recording of activity and the challenges between other Apple Watch users. I was recently on a cruise and wading into the ocean in the Bahamas killed the watch for a few days. I wasn’t too concerned since I was already looking at Garmin. I am an iPhone user and Garmin watches generally don’t integrate well with those phones. I have come across a Venu 3 which will allow me to make calls or texts based on the voice assistant. In my research I have found the compare option on the Garmin website to be useful. Thanks for your video.
Never had an issue with my Garmin watches integrating with an iPhone, and never heard of anyone having issues the connect App works perfectly an gives seamless connectivity
Garmin all day except I wish you Garmin with maybe the new watch this August if it actually comes out then I just wish they would adopt cellular so you can make phone calls on your watch even if it's paid by Garmin for $10 a month
I was really loving the Forerunner 955 or even 965, their formfactor is IMO perfect. Clean and sleek, not too much of a bezel. But it was your video or another reviewer maybe that compared it to the Fenix line and boy the maps interaction was like night and day. This is one of my main buying points so I had to admit defeat with the Forerunners and that put me into the Fenix Pro line. Which are out of my budget... So after many videos and articles I think the Suunto Race is actually the best bang for your buck between Multi band GPS and maps/offline maps and navigation. Yes its lacking in areas, yes I still think Garmin is the best option overall but for a limited budget, they arent really cutting it. You go from reasonable to expensive really fast just to get a few extras
I’m back with an AWU 2 from an Epix Pro for the second time now. And wouldn’t you know it, it’s easy to get drawn back both ways depending what you’re optimizing for. There’s currently not a front runner that covers best in class as a smartwatch, activity tracker, and wellness device for most people. Apple will likely get there in a few years.
as long as garmin keeps innovating apple will always be playing the catch up game. Garmin is about to release their Fenix 8 line in a month or so, I am looking forward to see what is new. As of right now Apple watches are useful every day watches with sport features and garmin are specialized professional tools.
@@ROrneliyeah the F8 is out and all they did was make it oled. Other than that it has been underwhelming. No cellular, still the charge connector that I have to re-bend regularly to even stay in the port. First time in years that I consider switching to an AWU.
@@binarysun_ they do have an MIP version , the solar one . but at a whoping 1100 dollars just for a speaker and a microphone and a dive feature (which i may never use past a bit of free diving) there really is not there a lot to look forward to
Just don’t get the massive amount of hate from different camps. I run a lot and love doing it with the Apple Watch Ultra but can fully understand some people love Garmins. Just buy and use what you like
A very important thing is apple watch only works with iphone. For example in spain android is almost 80% of smartphones. For android users is an easy decision. Garmin watches dont force you to be with androir or ios.
@@kroz7682 No, them having almost 60% of the smart phone U.S *MARKET SHARE* is not equal to 60% of the U.S population. That would be assuming 100% of the population has smart phones, which is not true.
@@kroz7682 as of 2024 95% of Americans have some form of cell phone, the percentage of the population with smart phones is about 80%. So yeah I checked the stats, and saying 60% of the U.S population have an iPhone is absurd.
Thank you for the comparison! Have been going back and forth on what my next move would be. After needing to get my Apple Watch repaired, it’s more cost efficient to evaluate other options!
After using the Apple Watch Ultra for 2 years, I have come to the conclusion that the answer is : BOTH! I love the smarts, integration and breadth of functionality of the Apple Watch (and I could not live without them), but I have concluded that the running specific functionality of the AW is unreliable for serious runners. Lots of small issues which add up to a big one. The wheel is sometimes hard to rotate, the action button sometimes does not work, random screen touches (eg when wearing a jacket), using different gestures to start, pause and stop a workout, Lack of maps / directions, not being able to use GymKit with workouts. The number of times that I have inadvertently terminated a workout, progressed through a workout or lost data in a race has been frustrating. So I now use the Ultra for most things and have a Coros Pace 3 for running specific features and a reliable backup.
@@Thomlabe both at the same time. I still record workout on the Apple Watch so that my Apple health data is complete, but use the running specific features of the Coros - workouts, directions, heart rate alerts etc
@@applerunner1184 I do this too. I have an Apple Watch Ultra that I use everyday and a Coros pace 3 that I use for running specifically. I wear both at the same time during runs because as a heavier runner I want to be able to call someone if I do hurt myself while running. 😅 Haven’t had to call out due to an injury yet. Fingers crossed that doesn’t happen. I use the Coros to help me train for marathons and half marathons.
Samsung user here, I've been looking and the Epix Gen 2 and the Fenix pro line since last year. The Watch 5 pro is pretty capable, but GPS is very..... optimistic, and battery life is inly 2.5 days. I also own a coros pace 3, but the build quality doesnt inspire confidence for me compared to the Gw's sapphire screen
I had a Fenix 7 and went to an Apple Watch ultra 2. Need the smart watch capabilities of the smart watch for 3 months. My impressions were good with the running aspect of it but I missed how easy it was to use garmin for fitness and running, it’s a fitness watch first and Apple is smartwatch. Needless to say I went back a Fenix 7 and I’ll never use anything else. Also idk how much this matters I love the style of the garmin, not so much the style of the Apple Watch
Awaiting your thoughts on the updates from WWDC. Battery life on the AWU will still be an issue, however it looks like we'll be seeing wellness features reminiscent of Garmin, Whoop, et al without needing to use third-party apps. Plus proper offline maps in activity mode? Quoted from the keynote -- “…turn by turn directions for walking and hiking routes you’ve created." Give us tooling to build routes, or at minimum, GPX import and I'd be happy. WorkOutDoors is awesome in this regard already, but if it was built into watchOS even better.
Great video Dave,but I still like my Garmin 965,just a very dependable sport watch, prefer the round watch for exercise,not much for me to have a pretty boy square watch 😂
Apple just announced some new features for the apple watch. Training load and something that resembles whoop recovery and garmins body battery. And it actually looks amazing.
I’m about to download the developerbeta watch os 11. I picked up the Garmin Epix gen 2 over the weekend for $11 and I’m completely torn by both. I also have the ultra 🤣
I used an Apple Watch Ultra 2 for a few months thinking I would love it. I just switched back to my Garmin Insinct 2X and sold the Apple Watch. For fitness and health I far prefer the Garmin
I have a fenix 6x pro. To be honest I find the maps very hard to use. Lag is really bad. Navigation within the maps seems tricky. Overall it’s feeling dated and I’m looking to upgrade. Hoping garmin bring out something new and compelling this year but they’re giving no visibility on it, which is unhelpful.
I’ve been wearing the Ultra 2 and the Fenix 7x for the last few weeks and I’ve ended up sticking with the Ultra 2. I’m not a runner so don’t need that functionality, with weightlifting and walking/hiking the Ultra ticks all the boxes for me, and with the new updates for watchOS 11 it adds in a lot of the missing functionality. I’m also getting about 2.5 days out of the Ultra which is perfect for me. The only thing I really miss is how glances are laid out on the Garmin, it was nice to just scroll through and see data right there It’s a lot of the app integrations that also got me to stick with the Ultra, if Garmin could convince develops of bigger apps to also develop for them it could become a game changer, maybe add in cellular as well
I’ve been running for several months now and have an apple watch SE 2 and thinking of getting the forerunner 165. Battery life is annoying, not really runner friendly considering i have to swipe and tap to start/end my run, and the pace updates very slowly if at all, so i have to wait until i get a split update to know my actual pace.
Apple Watch for the casual fitness person and overall functionality... Garmin for fitness enthusiasts. My only gripe with Garmin is the distance tracking is a tad off, and Apple's overall functionality is a bit more seamless. I don't see messages on my Garmin (not a huge issue for me as i dont want to talk to people while I'm working out anyway).
Could somebody point out exactly what features except battery and torch garmin has over Apple Watch because I hear a lot that garmin is more serious about data but Apple Watch has unlimited access to apps to gather data.
Same here. I used to have Apple Watch S8, then switched to Garmin Venu 2 because of the battery life. Venu 2 "only" lasts 7-8 days on full charge, so as soon as Apple matches or beats that I'll switch back to their watches just because I love sleek UIs and also I'm too invested in Apple's ecosystem (e.g. having Apple watch would allow me to automatically unlock my Macbook as soon as I open it).
@@dkarbaev Since I swim almost daily (pool). I'm not going back to my Apple watch S6 any time soon. The "swimming pool" activity in Garmin (I have the Forerunner 255) is much feature rich as standalone than the one in the AW. I too am invested in Apple's ecosystem, but always use cross-platform apps whenever I can. I work with Windows and Mac!!
I wore an Apple Watch for five years, and the battery life went from bad (1 day-ish when new) to horrible (~5 hours). When the Enduro 2 was 45% off on Amazon Prime Day, it was a no brainer. Color maps, flashlight, solar charging, 28 day battery life are game changers. I knew I was going to replace the Apple Watch with a Garmin, just wasn’t sure which one until the Enduro 2 went from $1099 to $599 on Prime Day.
How does Garmin do on Heart Monitoring and AFIB detection? Apple Watch woke me up in the middle of the night with AFIB and I wear mine 24/7 for monitoring my AFIB
Garmin watches has "Abnormal activity heart rate alert" and you can configure for high heart rate or/and low heart rate for rest time and for activity times separately.
Don't agree I'm both but still have a Garmin. Most of the smartwatch features on an apple watch are gimmicky and I would rarely use them. I just need basic notifications on a watch.
Got a aw and want to buy a Garmin since Fenix 5… Fenix 8 ist expected for Late August so I Try to hold on and be Patient a few more months Till September After Apple Release their features and Than I decide. I think you cant Go wrong with Both :)
What I like about my Apple Watch 8 is that I can go for a road run and not have to lug my phone with me I wish garmin would release a cellular version of a watch
This is why I love the simple sport watches more than smart watches. I want 1 hour per day for me and I don’t want anything to distract me and get me let’s say back to my work.
I currently use a Suunto Core, and my favorite feature is the barometer-it alerts me to pressure drops, so I know a storm is coming without needing internet access. Can the Apple Watch Ultra do the same? If so, I’m ready to buy it now. If anyone knows please comment
Apple Watch doesn't have this feature out of the box but there appears to be third party apps that enable it. The Garmin does support storm alerts. Here's one example of an app: apps.apple.com/us/app/storm-alert-for-watch/id1284571282
Thanks for informative videos. A friendly suggestion - a bit less waving around with the hands will make your videos more enjoyable to watch. Apart from that, great content.
For training Garmin is way ahead of Ultra, but on Tech things Ultra is better than Garmin. :) Have Ultra and find myself using my Epic gen2 Pro 99% this days, only time i use my Ultra is on the Mx bike to have my Phone on the wrist but still use my Epic on other hand to get training done. :)
I would love a Garmin for the extra metrics and battery life, but I feel like I can't do without the features on my AW. First, there is the ease of listening to podcasts and music on long runs, which works much better than a Garmin. Plus, I have a cellular enabled version. While it's an extra $10/month, it allows me to use Siri on the goal, as well as answer texts and make phone calls. This has been a huge lifesaver in a couple of situations when I had bike issues on a long ride and when I bonked on a huge training run on an extremely hot day. In both cases I was able to call for support, something I could not have done with any Garmin watch. I use it for running, cycling, and swimming, and it does all with ease. I just have to make sure it is 100% charged for those really long (3-4 hour) rides.
With Spotify, it's easy to download playlists onto a Forerunner 265 for runs, at no extra cost. The Triathlon support is also better on the Garmin. The swimming support, track runs, etc... ...are about equivalent between the two brands. On the bike, I just use a an iPhone mount for mapping, but of course, it's also useful for emergencies. I originally switched from an Apple Watch due to the battery giving out on 2-3 hour long runs, but the Forerunner is just so much better for sports and health/recovery/workouts that my AW just sits on the charger now.
@@Nakameguro97 I had a Garmin at one time and downloading music or podcasts was really clunky compared to how easy it is between my Apple iPhone and watch. I definitely agree a Garmin would be better for triathlons. The absence of buttons on the AW does not make it as great swimming. But I've never had my AW give out during 2-3 hour runs or even 3-4 hour bike rides. And I use GPS on both. Now it dies soon after (unless I charge it) and I have had it die on really long hikes so I can see how a Garmin would be better beyond 5 hours.
@@Nakameguro97 weird that your battery gives out at 2-3 hours. I had 20% remaining after finishing a 4 hour bike ride this morning. I’m sure I could have went another hour and got their stated 5 hours of life using GPS. Of course , Garmins last much longer but not too many people going for longer than that.
One clarification: The video makes it seem like the Apple Ultra action button will only launch the workout app, but then you still need to choose the specific workout using the touchscreen to start a given workout. That's not the case. You can also set to action button to select a specific workout to start immediately. I'm a cyclist and I have mine set so that as soon as I hit the action button it begins the "Outdoor Cycling" workout. I just hit the button and start pedaling. No second step needed.
I have a Garmin 945 and I switched to an iPhone from an Android, sadly am considering a Apple Watch just because Apple won't let Garmin do everything it did on my Android. I got the 945 at a great price too and it has been a few years, so I'll see what happens in a week or so with the new announcements and maybe the Ultra 2 will make some sense, having more than a couple of days battery life I think I can live with, charging it every morning after waking up to top up might be ok...
Apple Watch Ultra is perfect for me! Awesome blend of sports / running features with all the smart functionality like music, Apple Pay, maps etc….. Battery life is not an issue at all, it lasts 17 hours in GPS mode….not sure I would last longer than that 😅
I'm waiting the rumored Garmin new releases to get an Epix 2 Pro - see if it gets a good discount. Looking at the battery size, I'd like to get the 51mm, but even having a large wrist I'm afraid it'd be too bulk making it not a good look when slapping a leather strap for a dressier look.
Hello! Did you also notice a difference as regards the altimeter complication between the AWU1 and the AWU2? On the AWU2 it is kind of all over the place, not so on the AWU2. Or is it only me? Cheers!
Hey Dave, another great video from you! 💪 I think this will help a lot of people. Can you tell me what running vest you're wearing at 16:30? A video on running vests/packs would be nice! 😊
I think there is often an assumption that Apple and Garmin are equally capable health trackers (i.e., heart rate and sleep). This is far from the case, Apple is FAR ahead of Garmin in accuracy. Now if they could only master battery performance..
I used to be an AWU user I recently change for Garmin Epix Pro and wow just wow. I think Im never moving back to the Apple Watch, is not that is a bad watch, it just I feel so much comfortable using Garmin
Charging frequently vs not. Spending over $1k (in my country) vs not. Simple, dedicated, straightforward interface vs not. Can't wait for my CTS cap in white!
If you’re not so much into athletics data, the Apple watches have a small loudspeaker and read out loud your key training metrics every kilometer/mile/lap. My Garmin Fenix can’t do that.
I want to be able to train for a marathon while listening to music on long runs. Based one what I’m seeing I don’t think the Watch 9 is even capable of making it through a 4 hour run + music, right? After 2 hours with music and GPS my first gen SE is mostly dead. I also want to hike and cycle. I use work outdoors on my AW SE for hiking maps, but I feel like it kills the battery. So automatically looking at Ultra on the Apple side. I’m thinking for my use case the FR 965 is the way to go?
If you haven't already decided, I think most of the modern Garmin watches can have offline music & connect headphones. Definitely better battery life on them
@@ryanstiffler5632 I’m going to hold off for now and see what the Apple Watch X is like. If the battery life on it is better I’ll get that and if not will likely get the Ultra. I use more of the smartwatch functionality than I thought and I like having it. I have apps that are working for me for current half marathon training: HealthFit, Athlytic, WorkOutDoors and FITIV.
Between Garmin and Apple I choose Huawei. Just bought the Fit 3 and GT3. Both do all I need as a hobby runner and the music player is awesome. I can transfer MP3s through BT to the watch from my smartphone. And I have a vast collection of downloaded MP3s. Heart rate is as precise as my Garmin Fénix 7 Pro (I checked it by wearing one on the left and one on the right wrist - they matched 1:1), GPS too. You can get a Huawei GT3 for slightly over 100 bucks.
Neither of these. Prefer Polar although Apply is a decent smart watch. Garmin has good battery life but that’s where the good ends. The battery life on the Apple watch is poor but I’m currently using it along with my Garmin FR 965 which is just for workouts.
Daily Suggested Workout is Garmin's Killer App. I enter my marathon date and it'll generate daily structured workouts based on how well rested I am and how well I am recovering. Combined with the long battery life, I'm currently wearing my ForeRunner 265 24/7 (overnight Heart Rate Variability measurements will impact DSW), while my Apple Watch stays on the charger.
Barely 1 to 1.5 days of battery life and needing an iPhone is an easy decision to ignore Apple. And if I needed smart functions galore... I already have that in a smartphone, which is far more convenient to operate. The Garmin Epix Pro is awesome.
Since been back on the iPhone from the pixel I’m thinking about getting a Apple Watch series 9 or the ultra I like the smartwatch functionality plus my epix 2 is getting a bit laggy less than a year old , I can plan workouts in for the Apple Watch like the garmin just wish Apple Watches have better battery life and a dedicated start/stop and pause button also I do believe Apple are holding back on battery life cause garmin can make there watches last a week or more
Came here after Apple WWDC and now the choice of Apple Watch Ultra is much much easier because of training load and vitals app on Apple Watch. Currently using an ultra 2 and a forerunner 255. Will put the Garmin in the drawer after the release of the new features.
One thing though will be important. The AWU measure your heart rate once every few minutes (or so). For Garmin you can use to measure heart rate every second. This is important for statistics and data in my opinion.
@@ciprigeorgiu Yes, you are correct in that. Besides of training however it is as I said. Also in sleep tracking for AW it is only measuring HR few times during your sleep. I think it does metter. Personally I use AW and 24/7 heart rate measures is what I am missing.
It’s pretty simple. Battery life: garmin. Fitness/activity: garmin. Basically garmin watches are a better version of the Fitbit. But for actual smartwatches, then apple.
Can an Apple Watch Ultra last thru a marathon if you are a 4-hour runner with music turned on throughout the run? I’m currently on Series 8. Might upgrade to an Ultra or a 965 once I’m fit for a marathon. Thanks
Some are saying there will be a new Apple Watch this year. I’m eyeing to get a used AWU first gen at a very discounted price but maybe I’ll wait for that announcement, we’ll see. Garmin are nice too though. I work evenings, so I don’t go on hikes like I use to, so I just do weight lifting at home lately as form of exercise. I’ve been wearing an Amazfit Bip Smartwatch for over 5 years as beater watch and only “smart” features I glance at are the steps from time to time, and the GPS map tracking when I use to hike. I feel like I’ll have more uses for Apple Watch Ultra for my needs. I do wish Casio would release smarter smartwatches too, I’m liking gshocks style. Recently got a Casioak with Bluetooth and Solar, so I’ll wear that for almost every day and at nicer events.
I have a Fenix 7x Solar Sapphire which I'm feeling a bit silly about now with something like the epix 2 out. I bought it just as the big battery indestructible titanium watch concept. But I've already claimed warranty on the start/stop button on it. Garmin replaced it with a recertified no problem but I would have just bought a less "durable" watch if I was just going to claim warranty. I still think it's a great product but when I do make an upgrade I'll be getting one with a nicer screen. Even though I'm an android user I can't help but really wish Garmin had google pay or apple pay and the option for esim to call. I just don't want to have to bring my phone. I like the convenience of being able to buy stuff with my watch. As a work around sometimes I just pray no one has to call me on a long run and load my Starbucks card on the Starbucks app on Garmin. There are Garmin pay options in my region but I'm not going to get a whole ass 3rd party credit card that's partnered with Garmin just to buy nutrition while on a long run.
I'd like to add a niche crowd who still like to wear mechanical watches. I chose a Garmin so that I wouldn't have to charge it as frequently as an Apple watch if I'm wearing my other watches.
I don't know why no one mention the endless bugs you can have with garmins. I had an epix pro gen 2, HR issues, sleep tracking problems and other, very annoying issues. Bought a Forerunner 965. A bit better, but still. For this price, it's not acceptable. Check their forums, the new HR tracking issues appear on almost every watch, since March.
The only thing holding me back from switching to Garmin from my AW is lack of cellular connectivity because I don't take my phone on runs. I use the RadarScope and weather apps on my AW during the summer to monitor weather because we get a lot of severe storms. I've looked at different belts, vests, etc. to carry my phone but I just can't get used to it. I can't justify juggling both.
Very happy with my Garmin Venu 3, I do the odd hike, have started running, and play a few sports a week. Not to mention the battery would last a week if I stretched it out. Zero complaints so far!
Only thing I’ve noticed with mine is it not being accurate on a treadmill
Bought my first Apple Watch in 2018, and used more than four, changed to Garmin Fenix 7 Pro this year, Sooooooo nice for me.
I will say this once and for all: both are capable watches, and both will meet 95% of the needs of any user. Short of a 100 mile race, both will handle anything you throw at them.
That said, I own both an Ultra 1 and an Epix Pro 47. Happy with both and love both.
I would say that the Apple Ultra meets the needs of 95% of peoples needs while Garmin is probably a better choice for a much smaller subset.
@@davidcampos5878 can't meet 95% of peoples needs when less than 50% own an iPhone!
Apple Watch Ultra for 2 years, i just got a garmin epix pro yesterday for my bday. It’s been great. I love it so much.
This exactly what I’ve done I had the ultra since it came out and just jumped ship to Garmin but got the fenix sapphire solar and I love it, it’s crazy to say I don’t miss the ultra
Had a Fenix 5 pro for ever, went to the AWU for two years and love it, it did everything my Fenix did after downloading Athlytic and WorkOutDoors. Got an Epix Sapphire 2 and love it. I do miss my AWU every now and then, specially when I want to leave my phone at home but have emergency contact if I need it, I also liked the looks and convenience of doing a lot from my wrist.
I went to an open box store, and picked up the Garmin Epix gen 2, 47mm for $11. I have the ultra and I’m so torn between both.
Yeah right@@jaronc3094
Same here
Epix pro gen2 is absolutely amazing.
I currently have an Apple Watch. Battery life is the single most annoying feature of Apple Watch. I have had it for only a couple of years and like the recording of activity and the challenges between other Apple Watch users. I was recently on a cruise and wading into the ocean in the Bahamas killed the watch for a few days. I wasn’t too concerned since I was already looking at Garmin. I am an iPhone user and Garmin watches generally don’t integrate well with those phones. I have come across a Venu 3 which will allow me to make calls or texts based on the voice assistant. In my research I have found the compare option on the Garmin website to be useful. Thanks for your video.
Вену 3 это хорошие часы ,но они не работают в паре с айфоном, именно те функции что вам нужны
Never had an issue with my Garmin watches integrating with an iPhone, and never heard of anyone having issues the connect App works perfectly an gives seamless connectivity
Garmin all day.
Ultra 2 all day
@@jorobia1425 I'll never use Garmin again with its clunky menu or make calls without a phone
Garmin all day except I wish you Garmin with maybe the new watch this August if it actually comes out then I just wish they would adopt cellular so you can make phone calls on your watch even if it's paid by Garmin for $10 a month
@@jorobia1425 me too
Never garmin Watch again
I have both and I use my Apple Watch for nights out and social things. Garmin is always on for work and tracking phys sessions
You can start and end workout on an Apple watch using Siri as well. No button press or swipe necessary.
I was really loving the Forerunner 955 or even 965, their formfactor is IMO perfect. Clean and sleek, not too much of a bezel. But it was your video or another reviewer maybe that compared it to the Fenix line and boy the maps interaction was like night and day. This is one of my main buying points so I had to admit defeat with the Forerunners and that put me into the Fenix Pro line. Which are out of my budget... So after many videos and articles I think the Suunto Race is actually the best bang for your buck between Multi band GPS and maps/offline maps and navigation. Yes its lacking in areas, yes I still think Garmin is the best option overall but for a limited budget, they arent really cutting it. You go from reasonable to expensive really fast just to get a few extras
I’m back with an AWU 2 from an Epix Pro for the second time now. And wouldn’t you know it, it’s easy to get drawn back both ways depending what you’re optimizing for.
There’s currently not a front runner that covers best in class as a smartwatch, activity tracker, and wellness device for most people.
Apple will likely get there in a few years.
as long as garmin keeps innovating apple will always be playing the catch up game.
Garmin is about to release their Fenix 8 line in a month or so, I am looking forward to see what is new.
As of right now Apple watches are useful every day watches with sport features and garmin are specialized professional tools.
@@ROrneliyeah the F8 is out and all they did was make it oled. Other than that it has been underwhelming. No cellular, still the charge connector that I have to re-bend regularly to even stay in the port. First time in years that I consider switching to an AWU.
@@binarysun_ they do have an MIP version , the solar one . but at a whoping 1100 dollars just for a speaker and a microphone and a dive feature (which i may never use past a bit of free diving) there really is not there a lot to look forward to
Probably boils down to what phone you use. As an android user, there's no point getting an apple watch
Great overview on a crazy topic. Grabbing popcorn 🍿 so I can watch the 🔥 in the comments here.
Just don’t get the massive amount of hate from different camps. I run a lot and love doing it with the Apple Watch Ultra but can fully understand some people love Garmins. Just buy and use what you like
A very important thing is apple watch only works with iphone. For example in spain android is almost 80% of smartphones. For android users is an easy decision. Garmin watches dont force you to be with androir or ios.
But about 60% of Americans have an iPhone so...thanks
@@_sparrowhawk that is an absurd assumption.
It’s a fact…. Check the stats 👍
@@kroz7682 No, them having almost 60% of the smart phone U.S *MARKET SHARE* is not equal to 60% of the U.S population. That would be assuming 100% of the population has smart phones, which is not true.
@@kroz7682 as of 2024 95% of Americans have some form of cell phone, the percentage of the population with smart phones is about 80%. So yeah I checked the stats, and saying 60% of the U.S population have an iPhone is absurd.
Thank you for the comparison! Have been going back and forth on what my next move would be. After needing to get my Apple Watch repaired, it’s more cost efficient to evaluate other options!
After using the Apple Watch Ultra for 2 years, I have come to the conclusion that the answer is : BOTH! I love the smarts, integration and breadth of functionality of the Apple Watch (and I could not live without them), but I have concluded that the running specific functionality of the AW is unreliable for serious runners. Lots of small issues which add up to a big one. The wheel is sometimes hard to rotate, the action button sometimes does not work, random screen touches (eg when wearing a jacket), using different gestures to start, pause and stop a workout, Lack of maps / directions, not being able to use GymKit with workouts. The number of times that I have inadvertently terminated a workout, progressed through a workout or lost data in a race has been frustrating. So I now use the Ultra for most things and have a Coros Pace 3 for running specific features and a reliable backup.
Wow! So do you use them both at the same time or just switch when you’re going for a run?
@@Thomlabe both at the same time. I still record workout on the Apple Watch so that my Apple health data is complete, but use the running specific features of the Coros - workouts, directions, heart rate alerts etc
@@applerunner1184 I do this too. I have an Apple Watch Ultra that I use everyday and a Coros pace 3 that I use for running specifically. I wear both at the same time during runs because as a heavier runner I want to be able to call someone if I do hurt myself while running. 😅 Haven’t had to call out due to an injury yet. Fingers crossed that doesn’t happen. I use the Coros to help me train for marathons and half marathons.
Both? Both? Sounds like Garmin and Apple had an agreement to pay reviewers and utube commenters like you to defeat the real competetion from Huawei.
@@gentatanaka4069 really? Really?
Samsung user here, I've been looking and the Epix Gen 2 and the Fenix pro line since last year. The Watch 5 pro is pretty capable, but GPS is very..... optimistic, and battery life is inly 2.5 days. I also own a coros pace 3, but the build quality doesnt inspire confidence for me compared to the Gw's sapphire screen
I had a Fenix 7 and went to an Apple Watch ultra 2. Need the smart watch capabilities of the smart watch for 3 months. My impressions were good with the running aspect of it but I missed how easy it was to use garmin for fitness and running, it’s a fitness watch first and Apple is smartwatch. Needless to say I went back a Fenix 7 and I’ll never use anything else. Also idk how much this matters I love the style of the garmin, not so much the style of the Apple Watch
Awaiting your thoughts on the updates from WWDC.
Battery life on the AWU will still be an issue, however it looks like we'll be seeing wellness features reminiscent of Garmin, Whoop, et al without needing to use third-party apps.
Plus proper offline maps in activity mode? Quoted from the keynote -- “…turn by turn directions for walking and hiking routes you’ve created."
Give us tooling to build routes, or at minimum, GPX import and I'd be happy. WorkOutDoors is awesome in this regard already, but if it was built into watchOS even better.
Stay tuned!
@@Jay151it looks like this will be changing if you saw Apple's WWDC on their upcoming watch update
Gamin just needs the cellular connection and game over
@@Jay151right, meh still pretty much everyone also has WhatsApp or telegram
I don't want cell connection on my sports watch. It drains battery and is simply annoying. Nobody needs to be able to reach me on my daily 10k run.
@@MrSeedi76 Nothing would force you to use it though.
Nah pass
@@MrSeedi76agree for 10km, for me running 100k+ ultras Cellular connection is essential so I turn my phone off between rest stops
Great video Dave,but I still like my Garmin 965,just a very dependable sport watch, prefer the round watch for exercise,not much for me to have a pretty boy square watch 😂
Apple just announced some new features for the apple watch. Training load and something that resembles whoop recovery and garmins body battery. And it actually looks amazing.
I’m about to download the developerbeta watch os 11. I picked up the Garmin Epix gen 2 over the weekend for $11 and I’m completely torn by both. I also have the ultra 🤣
If they dont get a battery for at least more than 3 days it will never be worth it
@@g1984AF Almost nobody needs that, even in the ultra running community.
@@g1984AFI charge my ultra when I shower and it never gets below 30%. I wear it 24/7
@@jaronc3094 $11?? wut
I used an Apple Watch Ultra 2 for a few months thinking I would love it. I just switched back to my Garmin Insinct 2X and sold the Apple Watch. For fitness and health I far prefer the Garmin
I have a fenix 6x pro. To be honest I find the maps very hard to use. Lag is really bad. Navigation within the maps seems tricky. Overall it’s feeling dated and I’m looking to upgrade. Hoping garmin bring out something new and compelling this year but they’re giving no visibility on it, which is unhelpful.
I had an 6x pro and i felt the same. In garmins series 7 you have touch screen and the difference is enormous
I’ve been wearing the Ultra 2 and the Fenix 7x for the last few weeks and I’ve ended up sticking with the Ultra 2.
I’m not a runner so don’t need that functionality, with weightlifting and walking/hiking the Ultra ticks all the boxes for me, and with the new updates for watchOS 11 it adds in a lot of the missing functionality. I’m also getting about 2.5 days out of the Ultra which is perfect for me.
The only thing I really miss is how glances are laid out on the Garmin, it was nice to just scroll through and see data right there
It’s a lot of the app integrations that also got me to stick with the Ultra, if Garmin could convince develops of bigger apps to also develop for them it could become a game changer, maybe add in cellular as well
Garmin is king outdoors, running and exercising etc. Apple and Samsung etc are better business watches that's how I categorize them IMO
I’ve been running for several months now and have an apple watch SE 2 and thinking of getting the forerunner 165. Battery life is annoying, not really runner friendly considering i have to swipe and tap to start/end my run, and the pace updates very slowly if at all, so i have to wait until i get a split update to know my actual pace.
Apple Watch for the casual fitness person and overall functionality... Garmin for fitness enthusiasts. My only gripe with Garmin is the distance tracking is a tad off, and Apple's overall functionality is a bit more seamless. I don't see messages on my Garmin (not a huge issue for me as i dont want to talk to people while I'm working out anyway).
I will switch once I can get cellular on a garmin, only bring my Ultra and headphones when running.
Don't need a phone on my wrist and you can load plenty of music or podcasts on Garmin.
Could somebody point out exactly what features except battery and torch garmin has over Apple Watch because I hear a lot that garmin is more serious about data but Apple Watch has unlimited access to apps to gather data.
i don´t see myself switching from Garmin to Apple Watch until Apple puts at least 7-10 Days Battery Life in their watches.
This exactly.
Same here. I used to have Apple Watch S8, then switched to Garmin Venu 2 because of the battery life. Venu 2 "only" lasts 7-8 days on full charge, so as soon as Apple matches or beats that I'll switch back to their watches just because I love sleek UIs and also I'm too invested in Apple's ecosystem (e.g. having Apple watch would allow me to automatically unlock my Macbook as soon as I open it).
@@dkarbaev
Since I swim almost daily (pool). I'm not going back to my Apple watch S6 any time soon.
The "swimming pool" activity in Garmin (I have the Forerunner 255) is much feature rich as standalone than the one in the AW.
I too am invested in Apple's ecosystem, but always use cross-platform apps whenever I can. I work with Windows and Mac!!
I wore an Apple Watch for five years, and the battery life went from bad (1 day-ish when new) to horrible (~5 hours). When the Enduro 2 was 45% off on Amazon Prime Day, it was a no brainer. Color maps, flashlight, solar charging, 28 day battery life are game changers. I knew I was going to replace the Apple Watch with a Garmin, just wasn’t sure which one until the Enduro 2 went from $1099 to $599 on Prime Day.
How does Garmin do on Heart Monitoring and AFIB detection?
Apple Watch woke me up in the middle of the night with AFIB and I wear mine 24/7 for monitoring my AFIB
Garmin watches has "Abnormal activity heart rate alert" and you can configure for high heart rate or/and low heart rate for rest time and for activity times separately.
If you're an athlete first and a tech person second, get a Garmin. If you're a tech person first and a athlete second, get an Apple Watch
Perfect answer, makes sense if people actually think about it
Don't agree I'm both but still have a Garmin. Most of the smartwatch features on an apple watch are gimmicky and I would rarely use them. I just need basic notifications on a watch.
Don't forget that not everyone has an iPhone.
If you are either person, get a garmin. Its always going to be the better choice.
Hmm. My issue is that I am a tech first person who is also a serious runner. That is why I think in this scenario, you need both!
Only video you need to watch (no pun intended) on the topic.
Got a aw and want to buy a Garmin since Fenix 5… Fenix 8 ist expected for Late August so I Try to hold on and be Patient a few more months Till September After Apple Release their features and Than I decide. I think you cant Go wrong with Both :)
You won’t regret switching g over to garmin. I had an apple and switched and it was the best move.
You can set up and use apple maps for routes with the new os update for ultra 2 so please do a hike using it. Tks.
I work in construction and only lift weights in the gym,
Thinking getting the garmin instinct x2 solar
What I like about my Apple Watch 8 is that I can go for a road run and not have to lug my phone with me I wish garmin would release a cellular version of a watch
Yup, and listen to your tunes, make a call, check messages and emails. Hard to beat an apple watch
This is why I love the simple sport watches more than smart watches. I want 1 hour per day for me and I don’t want anything to distract me and get me let’s say back to my work.
@@jimmason8502Why would I want to check emails and send messages while on a run?
@@johncaza183sure, but what if you roll an ankle and need to call someone to pick you up? Without your phone, you’re kinda screwed.
I currently use a Suunto Core, and my favorite feature is the barometer-it alerts me to pressure drops, so I know a storm is coming without needing internet access. Can the Apple Watch Ultra do the same? If so, I’m ready to buy it now. If anyone knows please comment
Apple Watch doesn't have this feature out of the box but there appears to be third party apps that enable it. The Garmin does support storm alerts.
Here's one example of an app: apps.apple.com/us/app/storm-alert-for-watch/id1284571282
Apple just announced training load for their watches and pause days for recovery.
Thanks for informative videos. A friendly suggestion - a bit less waving around with the hands will make your videos more enjoyable to watch. Apart from that, great content.
Next week I will receive my first ever Garmin (Instinct 2s) ;-)
Happy waiting.
(PS: I don't exercise often, I just tired for charging every day)
Does Garmin have a rucking workout?
Does the Garmin measure SPO2? What about measurements like VO2 max, HRV, etc. Does either platform do it better than the other?
For training Garmin is way ahead of Ultra, but on Tech things Ultra is better than Garmin. :)
Have Ultra and find myself using my Epic gen2 Pro 99% this days, only time i use my Ultra is on the Mx bike to have my Phone on the wrist but still use my Epic on other hand to get training done. :)
how is the garmin way ahead of the ultra in terms of training? i thought this really only came down to battery life
Can I create a custom exercise for the gym as I can do with a Garmin?
Hi guys may i ask as a iphone users does garmin worth it? Can we fully utilized the features even we use garmin rather than apple watch for iphone
Really excellent video, thanks for sharing. It is difficult to choose as there will always be a compromise depending on what you want the watch for.
You need 2 watches IMO unfortunately
I would love a Garmin for the extra metrics and battery life, but I feel like I can't do without the features on my AW. First, there is the ease of listening to podcasts and music on long runs, which works much better than a Garmin. Plus, I have a cellular enabled version. While it's an extra $10/month, it allows me to use Siri on the goal, as well as answer texts and make phone calls. This has been a huge lifesaver in a couple of situations when I had bike issues on a long ride and when I bonked on a huge training run on an extremely hot day. In both cases I was able to call for support, something I could not have done with any Garmin watch. I use it for running, cycling, and swimming, and it does all with ease. I just have to make sure it is 100% charged for those really long (3-4 hour) rides.
With Spotify, it's easy to download playlists onto a Forerunner 265 for runs, at no extra cost. The Triathlon support is also better on the Garmin. The swimming support, track runs, etc... ...are about equivalent between the two brands. On the bike, I just use a an iPhone mount for mapping, but of course, it's also useful for emergencies. I originally switched from an Apple Watch due to the battery giving out on 2-3 hour long runs, but the Forerunner is just so much better for sports and health/recovery/workouts that my AW just sits on the charger now.
@@Nakameguro97 I had a Garmin at one time and downloading music or podcasts was really clunky compared to how easy it is between my Apple iPhone and watch. I definitely agree a Garmin would be better for triathlons. The absence of buttons on the AW does not make it as great swimming. But I've never had my AW give out during 2-3 hour runs or even 3-4 hour bike rides. And I use GPS on both. Now it dies soon after (unless I charge it) and I have had it die on really long hikes so I can see how a Garmin would be better beyond 5 hours.
@@Nakameguro97 weird that your battery gives out at 2-3 hours. I had 20% remaining after finishing a 4 hour bike ride this morning. I’m sure I could have went another hour and got their stated 5 hours of life using GPS. Of course , Garmins last much longer but not too many people going for longer than that.
One clarification: The video makes it seem like the Apple Ultra action button will only launch the workout app, but then you still need to choose the specific workout using the touchscreen to start a given workout. That's not the case. You can also set to action button to select a specific workout to start immediately. I'm a cyclist and I have mine set so that as soon as I hit the action button it begins the "Outdoor Cycling" workout. I just hit the button and start pedaling. No second step needed.
Absolutely
I have a Garmin 945 and I switched to an iPhone from an Android, sadly am considering a Apple Watch just because Apple won't let Garmin do everything it did on my Android. I got the 945 at a great price too and it has been a few years, so I'll see what happens in a week or so with the new announcements and maybe the Ultra 2 will make some sense, having more than a couple of days battery life I think I can live with, charging it every morning after waking up to top up might be ok...
Hi Dave, great video. Question: would making a video about “naked running” be something for you? So without any gear? 😊
What are you trying to do here
@@rjscott1575 you seem not to know what naked running means 🤣 look it up dummy
Apple Watch Ultra is perfect for me! Awesome blend of sports / running features with all the smart functionality like music, Apple Pay, maps etc…..
Battery life is not an issue at all, it lasts 17 hours in GPS mode….not sure I would last longer than that 😅
I'm waiting the rumored Garmin new releases to get an Epix 2 Pro - see if it gets a good discount. Looking at the battery size, I'd like to get the 51mm, but even having a large wrist I'm afraid it'd be too bulk making it not a good look when slapping a leather strap for a dressier look.
I'm thinking taking 265 or 965 Garmin watch but I'm not sure which one
Which garmin do you think is best for connectivity like calls, messages.
there's only a couple that have a speaker/mic for phone calls including Venu 3 and Fenix 8.
Hello! Did you also notice a difference as regards the altimeter complication between the AWU1 and the AWU2? On the AWU2 it is kind of all over the place, not so on the AWU2. Or is it only me? Cheers!
How well do they deal with GPS jamming?
Hey Dave, another great video from you! 💪 I think this will help a lot of people.
Can you tell me what running vest you're wearing at 16:30? A video on running vests/packs would be nice! 😊
Thanks! That vest is a Goldwin Star Race Vest... currently one of my favorites but very expensive for what it is.
Bro dropped the perfect video at the best moment possible
I think there is often an assumption that Apple and Garmin are equally capable health trackers (i.e., heart rate and sleep). This is far from the case, Apple is FAR ahead of Garmin in accuracy. Now if they could only master battery performance..
Garmins are good at heart rate but the sleep tracking sucks.
Thank you so much for such an in-depth comparison! This was super helpful! Kudos 🎉
Garmin Fenix 7x sapphire solar is my go to watch
I used to be an AWU user I recently change for Garmin Epix Pro and wow just wow. I think Im never moving back to the Apple Watch, is not that is a bad watch, it just I feel so much comfortable using Garmin
Garmin, always 😊
Garmin 265 or instinct 2x solar? Your choise?
Can’t you go on the garmin website and do a comparison on the two watches?
Charging frequently vs not. Spending over $1k (in my country) vs not. Simple, dedicated, straightforward interface vs not.
Can't wait for my CTS cap in white!
If you’re not so much into athletics data, the Apple watches have a small loudspeaker and read out loud your key training metrics every kilometer/mile/lap. My Garmin Fenix can’t do that.
Are there any GARMIN or POLAR or SUUNTO smart watches that can use Apps for Facebook, Instagram, TH-cam, Strava?
I want to be able to train for a marathon while listening to music on long runs. Based one what I’m seeing I don’t think the Watch 9 is even capable of making it through a 4 hour run + music, right? After 2 hours with music and GPS my first gen SE is mostly dead. I also want to hike and cycle. I use work outdoors on my AW SE for hiking maps, but I feel like it kills the battery. So automatically looking at Ultra on the Apple side. I’m thinking for my use case the FR 965 is the way to go?
If you haven't already decided, I think most of the modern Garmin watches can have offline music & connect headphones. Definitely better battery life on them
@@ryanstiffler5632 I’m going to hold off for now and see what the Apple Watch X is like. If the battery life on it is better I’ll get that and if not will likely get the Ultra. I use more of the smartwatch functionality than I thought and I like having it. I have apps that are working for me for current half marathon training: HealthFit, Athlytic, WorkOutDoors and FITIV.
Between Garmin and Apple I choose Huawei. Just bought the Fit 3 and GT3. Both do all I need as a hobby runner and the music player is awesome. I can transfer MP3s through BT to the watch from my smartphone. And I have a vast collection of downloaded MP3s. Heart rate is as precise as my Garmin Fénix 7 Pro (I checked it by wearing one on the left and one on the right wrist - they matched 1:1), GPS too. You can get a Huawei GT3 for slightly over 100 bucks.
Neither of these. Prefer Polar although Apply is a decent smart watch.
Garmin has good battery life but that’s where the good ends. The battery life on the Apple watch is poor but I’m currently using it along with my Garmin FR 965 which is just for workouts.
I replaced the AWU2 with the Tactix Delta and it blew the AWU2 out of the ballpark in disciplines that I didn’t know even existed.
Daily Suggested Workout is Garmin's Killer App. I enter my marathon date and it'll generate daily structured workouts based on how well rested I am and how well I am recovering. Combined with the long battery life, I'm currently wearing my ForeRunner 265 24/7 (overnight Heart Rate Variability measurements will impact DSW), while my Apple Watch stays on the charger.
Barely 1 to 1.5 days of battery life and needing an iPhone is an easy decision to ignore Apple. And if I needed smart functions galore... I already have that in a smartphone, which is far more convenient to operate. The Garmin Epix Pro is awesome.
An U2 apple watch is a SMART watch with features for athletes. Garmin is a SPORT watch for athletes. Apples and oranges.
Since been back on the iPhone from the pixel I’m thinking about getting a Apple Watch series 9 or the ultra I like the smartwatch functionality plus my epix 2 is getting a bit laggy less than a year old , I can plan workouts in for the Apple Watch like the garmin just wish Apple Watches have better battery life and a dedicated start/stop and pause button also I do believe Apple are holding back on battery life cause garmin can make there watches last a week or more
Instinct 3 when? Or tactix 8?
Came here after Apple WWDC and now the choice of Apple Watch Ultra is much much easier because of training load and vitals app on Apple Watch. Currently using an ultra 2 and a forerunner 255. Will put the Garmin in the drawer after the release of the new features.
Yeah if it’s accurate (which apple usually is), then the only downside is going to be the battery life. But the interface on the watch looked amazing.
@@cristobalbalenciaga7295 ultra’s battery is quite ok. 3 days with AOD and at least one workout per day.
One thing though will be important. The AWU measure your heart rate once every few minutes (or so). For Garmin you can use to measure heart rate every second. This is important for statistics and data in my opinion.
@@Rodol89 this is only true outside workouts. So I don’t think it should be a problem.
@@ciprigeorgiu Yes, you are correct in that.
Besides of training however it is as I said. Also in sleep tracking for AW it is only measuring HR few times during your sleep.
I think it does metter. Personally I use AW and 24/7 heart rate measures is what I am missing.
Very helpful! Thank you very much for the VDO.
So overwhelmed. Just compare for running.
Great overview! Thanks Dave
It’s pretty simple. Battery life: garmin. Fitness/activity: garmin. Basically garmin watches are a better version of the Fitbit. But for actual smartwatches, then apple.
Can an Apple Watch Ultra last thru a marathon if you are a 4-hour runner with music turned on throughout the run?
I’m currently on Series 8. Might upgrade to an Ultra or a 965 once I’m fit for a marathon.
Thanks
4 hours? Yes, easily.
Some are saying there will be a new Apple Watch this year. I’m eyeing to get a used AWU first gen at a very discounted price but maybe I’ll wait for that announcement, we’ll see. Garmin are nice too though. I work evenings, so I don’t go on hikes like I use to, so I just do weight lifting at home lately as form of exercise. I’ve been wearing an Amazfit Bip Smartwatch for over 5 years as beater watch and only “smart” features I glance at are the steps from time to time, and the GPS map tracking when I use to hike. I feel like I’ll have more uses for Apple Watch Ultra for my needs. I do wish Casio would release smarter smartwatches too, I’m liking gshocks style. Recently got a Casioak with Bluetooth and Solar, so I’ll wear that for almost every day and at nicer events.
I know it's ridiculous, but I'd love a gym setting that did a general burn like the apple watch so I don't have to throw reps in every time.
Pretty sure that watch isn't going to help you run. Running is going to help your future runs. So get out there and run kids!!!!
Very nice and complete video!!! Thanks!!!!
I have a Fenix 7x Solar Sapphire which I'm feeling a bit silly about now with something like the epix 2 out. I bought it just as the big battery indestructible titanium watch concept. But I've already claimed warranty on the start/stop button on it.
Garmin replaced it with a recertified no problem but I would have just bought a less "durable" watch if I was just going to claim warranty.
I still think it's a great product but when I do make an upgrade I'll be getting one with a nicer screen.
Even though I'm an android user I can't help but really wish Garmin had google pay or apple pay and the option for esim to call.
I just don't want to have to bring my phone.
I like the convenience of being able to buy stuff with my watch.
As a work around sometimes I just pray no one has to call me on a long run and load my Starbucks card on the Starbucks app on Garmin.
There are Garmin pay options in my region but I'm not going to get a whole ass 3rd party credit card that's partnered with Garmin just to buy nutrition while on a long run.
What about Apple watch 8? Im thinking to get it
Nearly the same as the 9. Still a good buy!
I'd like to add a niche crowd who still like to wear mechanical watches. I chose a Garmin so that I wouldn't have to charge it as frequently as an Apple watch if I'm wearing my other watches.
AW will probably be better if they can improve their battery life. 😊
Garmin! I like my Apple Watch but Garmin is best for my running (marathons).
Apple Health Tracking (heart rate etc) more accurate than Garmin in comparison to ECG’s.
Only reason I run with both is Apple has phone. Apple miles are inaccurate at .14 shorter than garmin. Split times are all messed up.
Can you do a video of coros vs garmin
Both, that is the way to go.
I don't know why no one mention the endless bugs you can have with garmins. I had an epix pro gen 2, HR issues, sleep tracking problems and other, very annoying issues. Bought a Forerunner 965. A bit better, but still. For this price, it's not acceptable. Check their forums, the new HR tracking issues appear on almost every watch, since March.
Got a FR 965, I didn't notice any of this
Excellent video, many thanks 👍