Gatekeeping involves using fear or some other means to control or limit access to knowledge. It’s generally a negative thing, but can be positive in some contexts. Here, it is certainly negative.
As a 60 year old guy I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate a young man of 24 extolling the virtues of "old school" training methods. There have always been people (both men and women) who found a way to become much better physical versions of themselves with sound basic knowledge, diet, exercises and equipment (and without PED's). I have an autographed picture from Bruno Sammartino that says "Good health, always free". You don't have to be a rich TH-cam content creator training at a mega gym in Dubai to be a bigger, stronger, faster, better you. Keep up the great work... and "Thank You".
@@ForgottenFitness You are a teacher and a student of the "Iron Game". So refreshing to see this type of content on TH-cam. I'm so sick of non-locked out sumo deadlifts w/weightlifting straps videos. And I know A LOT of people feel the same way that I do.
As a lifetime drug free competitive bodybuilder (training since 1976, competing drug free in the npc since 1991, made it to the npc USAs 3 years in my fifties natural), just want to say you have a great channel. Love for exercise and love for healthy foods... Continued success.
I'm a schoolteacher and got double Master degrees (laurea magistrale here in Italy) in both archaeology and philology. I'm an old school recreational bodybuilder too, despite my scientific approach on human knowledge (I consider myself kinda of a folklorist). I can confirm: in topics like bodybuilding, experience has the upper hand on lab science, just because experiments aren't really possible. Too bad the exchange of experience, in a time last our, is dwarfed. Just my two cents, hope not bored you
That’s very well said, and I do agree. However, in my case I have experienced fear tactics by those who I was just trying to help learn about. It’s an upsetting reality of working in this space.
@@ForgottenFitness that is sad. I wrote about my background just to say how much important it is the exchange of knowledge for the evolution of some human activities. Please, bring it on! 💪
Don't let the so called Gatekeepers get you down. Your providing good content. If the owners of some kind of bodybuilding method is trying to Gatekeep their control of some copyright, don't let it get you down. Speaking as a magician that has made a living doing shows, there is always a magician around that will tell me that I am doing it wrong. The funny thing is, they never did a show in their lives. As a guy that has also lifted weights for about 50 years. I meet the same kind of people that think that they are fitness experts. Often they just show what they don't know.
You did the Charles Atlas people a favor with that video series, it was free traffic to their site, and beyond that there is zero reason for them to worry about people getting the program for free, there are many free websites out there that give the original program away as it is. There is very little chance that the Atlas program today is a cash cow, and when people learn about companies behaving like this it makes them less inclined to want to buy anything.
Rudolph those who tell you to remove your videos are the same ones that want to make a quick buck off of people who just want to learn, it’s a real shame in the fitness community, especially in some of the older generation most of the older generation are willing to teach, but there is a very few hand select that do have a lot of knowledge, but you must pay a pretty penny to get that knowledge. I think I know who we’re both talking about the same people that will try to scare you by telling you they will take you to court. It’s a shame, but I think you should keep doing what you’re doing and let those naysayers be your fuel and fire to keep pushing and making content.
People don't realize what a grind having a small youtube channel can be, where you do tons of work and basically make zero dollars, then get constant criticism. The good outweigh the bad most of the time, but it is amazing how people will make accounts just to shut down what they don't like and troll in the comments of even other channels. Legally there is a huge latitude for fair use especially when it comes to educational material and review the real limit is just how much yt is willing to go to bat for your rights. If Looper can play 8 minute clips of modern movies with almost nothing added than almost anything falls under fair use. I would probably just tell them to stuff themselves and take it to yt or a lawyer if they want, you can't copyright a list of exercises any more than you can copyright a recipe. If they're too dumb to realize this is good publicity for them then let them waste the time and money.
All true! If I did have the funds, it would very well be worth it to consider hiring a lawyer or team just to back myself up moving forward. Unfortunately, that is not possible at this time. It’s a shame so many individuals try to bully and use fear tactics to try to intimidate many in the old-school bodybuilding space.
@@ForgottenFitness You can also just put up one of the videos, and if they complain to yt then defend it to yt. The worst that happens is you get a strike, but they wear off eventually. I don't see what grounds they have to do so though, it is just a review.
well less attention to Charles Atlas will result in less sales for their company. Less people will be aware of what he did. Gironda and Scott > Atlas anyhow. Their loss. Keep doing what you are doing. I love your videos.
Rudolph I appreciate your time and honesty. And I agree with your assessment of excessive gate keeping. However I will be one of your most ardent supporters. Continue on producing great video lecture content.👊👍
I do the bent arm pull over with a tricep bomber because of this channel. It's a shame your one series had to stop. I also adopted the bent press and still thinking of making my own chest expander.
@@ForgottenFitness they learned and taught from experience. They didn't have studies and computers to learn&teach, esp those little pads they put on muscles, and having carved to find type1 type2a and type2x fibers, so, they were doing something right! Experience from practice, yes.
That's so dumb that just TALKING about someone's program gets forced taken down! It's not like you're stealing their work. You provide access to the source where people can get more. Now he'll just be forgotten if they keep chasing people down. No one will want to cover the topic. Really dumb!
Hi, I follow you from Italy. Don't worry about the negative comments. There are haters on all TH-cam channels. Whatever topic you deal with, training, cars, nutrition, clothes, vintage toys, etc...these keyboard lions will have to write something negative. I often watch your videos, always liking them. You're a great guy who appreciates Old School. If it weren't for people like you, all this valuable information would be forgotten. You document very professionally about this beautiful bygone era of weight training. Always keep making videos and don't stop.
@@ForgottenFitness Nobody will stop you! You have a great knowledge of these heroes of an era that will never return, but which many remember with affection. These were real athletes, those of today only grow thanks to monstrous doses of steroids, insulin and use Synthol. Today to give volume to the deficient body parts they use this disgusting system. In the Golden Era there was instead the brilliant mind of Vince Gironda.
OLD SCHOOL METHODS NEVER GO OUT OF SYLE....The human body has never changed. The fundamental basics have always been effective. .Dips, Pullups..Military press, Rows, Bench, Squats, Curls. You can't reinvent the Wheel. Push-ups...Burpees, ..Situps...
Fear and threats of litigation are used when gatekeeping in this space. It is never positive to resist access knowledge. It only hurts those who want to learn most. I see this in academia just as I do with fitness.
@@ForgottenFitness Gatekeeping is a necessary thing in order to keep people from changing the community. Like how Marxist and the woke crowd are trying to alter D&D and the like. If Fear and threats are being used, why not fight back?
I mean, I guess? That is such a moot point. Why even discuss it on my page? It is ALWAYS more appropriate to create constructive dialog rather than blindly ignoring logical fallacies in an argument, which is what I am experiencing here with the old guard in fitness and with which the entire point of this video is built upon. Politics are destructive and have no place here.
"Gatekeeping" and the opening talk about feedback chatter on lifting technique (which is just part of posting lifts publicly; you can ignore or sort out the productive comments as you see fit) is too broad a term that distracts from the real issue of specifically copyright bullying (whether technically correct and just shortsighted on their part, or a genuine abuse of the system and legal bullying). A 20th century history based channel encounters this issue somewhat differently from a current-day review channel, which in fitness is what separates channels like this one from more conventional fitness content.
@@ForgottenFitness you look so mature 💪🧐 must be the bodybuilding king 😎 Honestly i was looking forward into atlas videos, sucks about the gate keeping😭
What does gatekeeping mean?🤔
Gatekeeping involves using fear or some other means to control or limit access to knowledge.
It’s generally a negative thing, but can be positive in some contexts. Here, it is certainly negative.
As a 60 year old guy I can't even begin to tell you how much I appreciate a young man of 24 extolling the virtues of "old school" training methods. There have always been people (both men and women) who found a way to become much better physical versions of themselves with sound basic knowledge, diet, exercises and equipment (and without PED's). I have an autographed picture from Bruno Sammartino that says "Good health, always free". You don't have to be a rich TH-cam content creator training at a mega gym in Dubai to be a bigger, stronger, faster, better you. Keep up the great work... and "Thank You".
I appreciate the kind words. They motivate me to continue in spite of the hardships I may be experiencing.
@@ForgottenFitness You are a teacher and a student of the "Iron Game". So refreshing to see this type of content on TH-cam. I'm so sick of non-locked out sumo deadlifts w/weightlifting straps videos. And I know A LOT of people feel the same way that I do.
As a lifetime drug free competitive bodybuilder (training since 1976, competing drug free in the npc since 1991, made it to the npc USAs 3 years in my fifties natural), just want to say you have a great channel.
Love for exercise and love for healthy foods...
Continued success.
Thank you and will do 💪🏼
I'm a schoolteacher and got double Master degrees (laurea magistrale here in Italy) in both archaeology and philology. I'm an old school recreational bodybuilder too, despite my scientific approach on human knowledge (I consider myself kinda of a folklorist). I can confirm: in topics like bodybuilding, experience has the upper hand on lab science, just because experiments aren't really possible. Too bad the exchange of experience, in a time last our, is dwarfed. Just my two cents, hope not bored you
That’s very well said, and I do agree.
However, in my case I have experienced fear tactics by those who I was just trying to help learn about. It’s an upsetting reality of working in this space.
@@ForgottenFitness that is sad. I wrote about my background just to say how much important it is the exchange of knowledge for the evolution of some human activities. Please, bring it on! 💪
Don't let the so called Gatekeepers get you down. Your providing good content. If the owners of some kind of bodybuilding method is trying to Gatekeep their control of some copyright, don't let it get you down. Speaking as a magician that has made a living doing shows, there is always a magician around that will tell me that I am doing it wrong. The funny thing is, they never did a show in their lives. As a guy that has also lifted weights for about 50 years. I meet the same kind of people that think that they are fitness experts. Often they just show what they don't know.
Right. The only thing that scares me is the threat of litigation. I cannot afford a lawsuit of any kind and they know that.
Very interested to hear this!
It's definitely an interesting topic. I may discuss it in even more detail later on.
The irony that your channel is called "Forgetten Fitness" isn't lost! Now they'll REALLY be forgotten!
Exactly what I’m saying!
Thank you for “telling like it is”. You’re awesome Rudy. Wise beyond your years
Thank you, Daniel! I try!
You did the Charles Atlas people a favor with that video series, it was free traffic to their site, and beyond that there is zero reason for them to worry about people getting the program for free, there are many free websites out there that give the original program away as it is.
There is very little chance that the Atlas program today is a cash cow, and when people learn about companies behaving like this it makes them less inclined to want to buy anything.
Rudolph those who tell you to remove your videos are the same ones that want to make a quick buck off of people who just want to learn, it’s a real shame in the fitness community, especially in some of the older generation most of the older generation are willing to teach, but there is a very few hand select that do have a lot of knowledge, but you must pay a pretty penny to get that knowledge. I think I know who we’re both talking about the same people that will try to scare you by telling you they will take you to court. It’s a shame, but I think you should keep doing what you’re doing and let those naysayers be your fuel and fire to keep pushing and making content.
I definitely will continue. This is just a topic I feel few discuss that has plagued my channel and many others.
People don't realize what a grind having a small youtube channel can be, where you do tons of work and basically make zero dollars, then get constant criticism. The good outweigh the bad most of the time, but it is amazing how people will make accounts just to shut down what they don't like and troll in the comments of even other channels. Legally there is a huge latitude for fair use especially when it comes to educational material and review the real limit is just how much yt is willing to go to bat for your rights. If Looper can play 8 minute clips of modern movies with almost nothing added than almost anything falls under fair use. I would probably just tell them to stuff themselves and take it to yt or a lawyer if they want, you can't copyright a list of exercises any more than you can copyright a recipe. If they're too dumb to realize this is good publicity for them then let them waste the time and money.
All true! If I did have the funds, it would very well be worth it to consider hiring a lawyer or team just to back myself up moving forward. Unfortunately, that is not possible at this time. It’s a shame so many individuals try to bully and use fear tactics to try to intimidate many in the old-school bodybuilding space.
@@ForgottenFitness You can also just put up one of the videos, and if they complain to yt then defend it to yt. The worst that happens is you get a strike, but they wear off eventually. I don't see what grounds they have to do so though, it is just a review.
Alright thanks
You’re welcome
well less attention to Charles Atlas will result in less sales for their company. Less people will be aware of what he did. Gironda and Scott > Atlas anyhow. Their loss. Keep doing what you are doing. I love your videos.
Very true! Thank you!
24? Well you have a much higher wise&mature presence than 24
Thank you! It comes from years of experience dealing with crap like this haha!
The atlas people are probably old crotchety and out touch. That’s my impression.
Nice channel mate no overproduced bs and it’s different which is nice
Rudolph I appreciate your time and honesty. And I agree with your assessment of excessive gate keeping. However I will be one of your most ardent supporters. Continue on producing great video lecture content.👊👍
Thank you for always supporting me, Mr. Azcarate!
I've learned a lot with your videos. Keep the good job and many thanks from Mexico.
Thank you! I will!
You taught me how to do the light dumbbell system correctly as for that I will as be thankful.
You’re welcome! I’m still gonna be around. I can’t let those bullies control me.
I do the bent arm pull over with a tricep bomber because of this channel. It's a shame your one series had to stop. I also adopted the bent press and still thinking of making my own chest expander.
Thank you. The whole point of this channel is to help inspire and teach others about old school fitness.
@@ForgottenFitness they learned and taught from experience. They didn't have studies and computers to learn&teach, esp those little pads they put on muscles, and having carved to find type1 type2a and type2x fibers, so, they were doing something right! Experience from practice, yes.
That's so dumb that just TALKING about someone's program gets forced taken down! It's not like you're stealing their work. You provide access to the source where people can get more. Now he'll just be forgotten if they keep chasing people down. No one will want to cover the topic. Really dumb!
Exactly! Thanks for understanding!
Here…let me complain for you. People, especially “on-line“ people, tend to suck. You do you. Blessings to all.
Thanks for having my back!
Hi, I follow you from Italy. Don't worry about the negative comments. There are haters on all TH-cam channels. Whatever topic you deal with, training, cars, nutrition, clothes, vintage toys, etc...these keyboard lions will have to write something negative.
I often watch your videos, always liking them.
You're a great guy who appreciates Old School. If it weren't for people like you, all this valuable information would be forgotten. You document very professionally about this beautiful bygone era of weight training. Always keep making videos and don't stop.
Thanks man! I’ll keep doing it because I love it. Nobody will ever stop me.
@@ForgottenFitness Nobody will stop you! You have a great knowledge of these heroes of an era that will never return, but which many remember with affection. These were real athletes, those of today only grow thanks to monstrous doses of steroids, insulin and use Synthol. Today to give volume to the deficient body parts they use this disgusting system. In the Golden Era there was instead the brilliant mind of Vince Gironda.
Will you do a video of Jack lalane
Definitely thinking about it!
You are doing a good job 👍 keep going
Thank you. I definitely will
OLD SCHOOL METHODS NEVER GO OUT OF SYLE....The human body has never changed. The fundamental basics have always been effective.
.Dips, Pullups..Military press, Rows, Bench, Squats, Curls. You can't reinvent the Wheel. Push-ups...Burpees, ..Situps...
Exactly!
While Gatekeeping is an effective tool to keep the community the community, I don't understand why your videos would be taken down?
Fear and threats of litigation are used when gatekeeping in this space. It is never positive to resist access knowledge. It only hurts those who want to learn most. I see this in academia just as I do with fitness.
@@ForgottenFitness Gatekeeping is a necessary thing in order to keep people from changing the community. Like how Marxist and the woke crowd are trying to alter D&D and the like. If Fear and threats are being used, why not fight back?
Nothing wrong with change. Change is growth and knowledge is power.
@@ForgottenFitness Change is wrong when it's the Marxist doing it.
I mean, I guess? That is such a moot point. Why even discuss it on my page? It is ALWAYS more appropriate to create constructive dialog rather than blindly ignoring logical fallacies in an argument, which is what I am experiencing here with the old guard in fitness and with which the entire point of this video is built upon. Politics are destructive and have no place here.
"Gatekeeping" and the opening talk about feedback chatter on lifting technique (which is just part of posting lifts publicly; you can ignore or sort out the productive comments as you see fit) is too broad a term that distracts from the real issue of specifically copyright bullying (whether technically correct and just shortsighted on their part, or a genuine abuse of the system and legal bullying). A 20th century history based channel encounters this issue somewhat differently from a current-day review channel, which in fitness is what separates channels like this one from more conventional fitness content.
It's a shame those video's were very informative.
Very much a shame
Hi have you ever seen a old school body builder when thay older thay lose all of the gains thay made when they were younger look like different people
Please I like your videos. Don’t listen to the naysayers
YOUR 24😮?
Yep!
@@ForgottenFitness you look so mature 💪🧐 must be the bodybuilding king 😎
Honestly i was looking forward into atlas videos, sucks about the gate keeping😭