I'd rather have a screen behind the steering wheel vs in the back seat. Any family that can afford a Tesla will have a tablet for each child. They aren't going to watch an awkwardly placed screen for 3 hours on a road trip.
I feel like my neck would hurt after a bit watching on that screen. Looks cool, functionally unnecessary. If they wanted to add entertainment systems, the classic screen in the back of the seat would make sense.
It’s more than a screen to watch movies or videos. It controls the AC etc for the back seat occupants. You can use your own iPads or laptops as there are ports for these also. You have options.
@@alastairhatt360but how much more? I mean, does it make more sense to simply put those controls up front, then allow an app to give people rear seat controls? Then use that money to, let’s say, put in a turn signal stalk? Or perhaps a driver’s instrument cluster.
@@alastairhatt360 You don't need a screen to control. Nobody was asking for a screen there. Just like nobody is asking for push button turn signals. A lot of people want a screen behind the steering wheel, even a very basic one.
@@cheezeandcrackers People love the entertainment screen in the rear; plus it's functional - what other mfg has that? As far as tablets for kids? NO. Do your job, it's a road trip. Ford, Jobs and Elon got to be where they were/are because they know people don't know what they want and literally proved it. I think there is a Kia for you though.
@@LordHarryWotton I rest drove a model 3, drove it for a day. There were many occasions when I needed to use the turn signal, but the steering wheel was not straight, because of the angle of the road and or vehicle, I had to look to see which button to use. Several times, the steering wheel was nearly upside down and I had to guess which one was correct. Innovation should be an improvement, not a styling statement. Form should always follow function.
yes too much is on the screen now. EU test data shows that fiddling with the screen makes your response time on par with a stoner driving. Give me stalks, some buttons for the A/C and lights & ill keep my eyes on the road in front.
Wiper function is probably the worst feature of the car - especially in the dark. It is dangerous in some poor weather conditions where you need to concentrate fully on driving - not fiddling with wiper speed/auto all the time. Bring a rain sensor back for $1 and would happily pay for the fitting!
@@jcevans6934 Yes, and of course automatically turning on when it's not raining and turning itself back on constantly, even when you keep turning auto wipers off. 5 years and they still haven't fixed this.
First time I rented a Tesla, it started raining during my drive and I had to stop in the middle of the road in traffic when it was impossible to see out of the windshield and there were no buttons or stalks to turn on the wipers. Then I had to stop again in the road a few blocks later because the front windshield had fogged up and there’s no button for front defrost.
“Almost all input is error” is about the most stupid statement I ever heard. It explains a lot of the bad design decisions Tesla has made and still makes. If you want to know what happens when you don’t have manual override procedures when the tech gets it wrong you can just look at the two 737-MAX accidents. With that attitude Elon should not be allowed within 100 feet of the design of any safety critical system.
This actually is seen in the road allready. There are some Teslas, who do not indicate when leaving roundabout even it is mandatory safety thing. When seeing Tesla is not indicating the turn from roundabout I usually see what it was and most often it is a new model 3. Model Y's indicate normally so it must be the stalks.
You can retrofit them, you'll then get the worlds best vehicle (and keep the stalks some really want) * It'll only take you less then 1/1.5 hours and cost about 200 - 250 usd ( Google for it )
My big gripe is the removal of ultrasonic sensors and failure to add a rain sensor. Sensors are still more effective that Tesla Vision, and their return would suppliment Vision as a corroborative input (similar to Boeing's solution for the 737 Max). Vision still isn't good with depth while parking - it's like us walking around with one eye closed - and I regularly get dry swipes by wipers when shadows or sunlight hits the camera.
I may be a minority, but my car has USS, and I turned it off to gain vision based functionality including auto-park (I have FSD). Been using it ever since it was introduced and I don't miss USS anymore. I do admit I missed USS initially.
Yeah I get the dry wipe a lot on my 2023 Tesla Model Y LR AWD. It also goes way too fast on the wipes most of the time, so I frequently put the wipers on manual mode. No parking sensors or front camera is annoying as I have to get out of the car to see how close I am to objects when parking. I plan on getting the new 2026 Toyota RAV4 plug-in hybrid which has all the traditional sensors and over 500 miles of range. I can use the electric mode for daily commuting.
@@Sal3600 On the Tesla homepage in the Model 3 2024 owners manual Driving->Steering Wheel is an info-box stating: "Note Some controls on the steering wheel are capacitive buttons, meaning they do not have a physical switch, but respond to touch and provide haptic feedback (as a vibration). Do not rest your fingers on them unless intended. Unintentionally touching these buttons can enable or disable them. If a button is mistakenly enabled, remove your fingers from the switches for several seconds to resume normal operation." In the picture above there is no indication that the indicators are real buttons.
@@sandmehlig I have a 2024 tesla model 3 highland. I can confirm there are zero capacitive touch buttons. Note: I said "now" in my original comment meaning newer models.
@@Sal3600 How are stalks unsafe? I can't wrap my head around that. I can ALWAYS find the stalks with my hand in the dark or while I'm turning hand-over-hand. I can find the buttons in the dark, too, but it's a lot harder to find them when the wheel isn't aligned straight ahead. That said, I don't use the turn signals when I'm already turning, so there's that. With steer-by-wire, as in the CT, I can get used to the buttons. Test drove one last week and didn't have much trouble. Would really like to see SBW in the MY refresh.
Same here (tho not that specific car due to lame tariffs). No gear shift stalk is potentially deadly if you're trying to do an emergency turnaround. Most idiotic decision ever by Elon and that's saying a lot. Okay, maybe not the most idiotic, but it's up there.
2:09 Honestly after driving the new Tesla model 3 in the UK it was down right dangerous when trying to use the indicator on the wheel when exiting Roundabouts. I definitely didn't like it compared to having the indicators on the storks.
I am kind of tired of Tesla fans telling everyone to adopt. "You will adopt to the stalkless/buttons/screen/OPD/whatever in a day/week/month. Elon is always right." If Musk is a smart businessman he would LOWER the barriers because that would bring more sales/profit/market share with higher stock prices. I guess he has too much money already and does not want more.
Radar has bad resolution and cant make out features of things ahead and cant provide context. Dont run into that car! Oh wait the road turns...Ultimately its the software that decides on courses of action and if the situation and object ahead cant be determined, having the sensor is counter productive. The best solution is to simply drive at a speed that allows for safe actions given the visibility and that can best be achieved by vision alone.
If you can’t see through it drive accordingly. Don’t rely on the systems to do it for you all the time, you are still in control so use the cars tech as a assistant not the solution.
@@alastairhatt360 Well obviously but the cars should see way more than we do and seeing through fog or heavy rain is what sensors would do. But I say forget radar and use FLIR.
Radar is good when moving slow, when going fast there a bunch of problems introduce. Their range resolution, and their accuracy fall off the cliff. It require a lot of processing power to recalibrate for errors. Also to have 2 systems competing and contradicting each other wouldn't be so productive for the Ai while trying to figure how to drive.
A software update removed defrost for the main screen and buried it under menus. Their excuse was they were cleaning the interface and no one used defrost(in southern California) so they removed it. Digging through menus when one cant see out of the windshield was a bad idea for a company which prioritizes safety. They added it back a few months later (probably after a NHTSA investigation).
The defroster options can be displayed as your favorites on the screen without going to the menu. I also have the wipers as a favorite to access them more easily. In addition, one commenter illustrated these controls can be done via voice commands.
@@Endangered-Barking-Toad Thanks, sometimes it is hard to find the exact phrasing, Grok will be welcomed as it should understand any phrasing. I think voice command requires cell connectivity, they should move it into onboard compute. unfortunately Grok will probably need the cloud.
No stalks, no mobile connector, no radar, no passenger lumbar support, no rear cargo cover, no home link, no buttons…what’s next? 🤔 I’m really surprised there’s no regulation against removing turn signal stalks
True story here. A friend of mine hopped in to my brand new m3 and was so impressed he ordered one a couple a week later. However he didn’t know that my M3 was the last batch to have stalks. No prize for guessing right. He cancelled his order after he clarified with me that his model won’t have stalks. There you go Elon!
I bought my Tesla in September 2023. I had planned on buying the refreshed Model 3 but when I saw at the beginning of September that the stalks had been removed I got hand on one of the last original Model 3.
Not having a rain sensor is my biggest complaint. The wiper in the cybertruck sucks. It often turns on when it's not raining and doesn't turn on when it is raining. Because it's sometimes doesn't turn on when it's raining hard, it's dangerous. I have to constantly press the button to make it wipe once. NHTSA should issue a recall and force Tesla to install rain sensors.
Euro NCAP have added requirement to get 5 star safety score from 2026 that cars need to have physical buttons for horn, blinkers, whipers, horn and SOS. Based on pictures on juniper it going to have stalks, I am pretty sure this is also a reason why tesla bringing it back.
I traded my 21 MYLR AWD for a 24 MYLR AWD and noticed a number of downgrades on the exact same model vehicle. The audio fidelity was way better on the 21. Also, the acceleration is very noticeably different (slower) on the 24. Even with the acceleration boost upgrade, it is still slower than the stock 21 and the rated Range is 30 miles less. I can't drive 40 miles in the 24 without my back hurting. I never had lower back issues in the 21; seats were way more comfortable and adjustable. Honestly, I miss the ultrasonic sensor accuracy and was hoping to see more benefits and upgrades in the 24, instead, it feels like I down graded going to the 24. At this juncture, I would be happy with any vehicle that had a roof sunglasses holder; even the cheapest vehicles have a dedicated place for sunglasses and garage door openers, not Tesla? Don't even get me started on the horrible auto wipers... Sad.....very sad how Tesla vehicles are going in the wrong direction for features, owner satisfaction and comfort...😌
From someone who has driven a Model 3 Highland for six months the gear shifting on the screen actually isn't much of a problem. It works ok and most of the times (although far from always) it will correctly select the right gear when you get in the car and press the brake pedal. The indicator buttons on the other hand are a nightmare. I still often fail to indicate when I exit smaller roundabouts and it removes my attention from the road every time I have to find the right button while turning the steering wheel. This solution should not be legal. It also drives me nuts when the car suddenly feels the need to take over braking or steering for no apparent reason. And I can't even turn that crap off. By the way Elon Musk has also been a huge source of frustration for me since I bought the car (our second Tesla btw.) so I can confidently say that I'm buying a different brand next time.
The braking issue I have in a 2022 honda CRV as well. Typically when someone is turning off the main road, I have room to pass but the car still brakes. Super frustrating, and im sure in 10 years the software/hardware will be so faulty its going to cause a lot of issues making the car virtually undriveable. Now Tesla does run updates so they might not have the same issues but frustrating none the less.
Elon only cares about his own opinion, not mine or yours. About cars, about Mars, about education, about marriage and fidelity and what it means to be a good dad, about Ukraine, about Germany, about Democracy....
A month ago I leased my 2nd EV. I have stalks, sensors, radar, full time blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, and all around view camera display, and homelink. My wife's favorite feature, she can open the door with one finger, either hand. Lumbar support for the passenger seat is included. Throw in wireless Apple Carplay, Android Auto, SiriusXM satellite and AM radio. Yeah, it's not a Tesla.
And it won’t OTA update or last as long or have a battery range last as long or supercharge or give you the future option to self-drive. What a wonderful car you didnt buy
@@BongoWongoOG You are right, it won't self drive like a Tesla with FSD. I do however have access to V3 and V4 superchargers. It does get OTA updates although they are not on the order of Tesla's. One Tesla feature it does not have is Phantom Braking. My first test drive of the 2024 M3 on 2 lane hwy it phantom braked. I have a relative with a 2018 M3 he bought new. He can't use Autopilot because it Phantom Brakes to the point of distraction. He paid for FSD and feels cheated because it never lived up to the promises made at the time. And of course his paid for radar was disabled. My Autopilot function follows the road with adaptive cruise control and automatic speed adjustment if desired. I can correct the steering to go around a pothole without disengagement. Not one instance of phantom braking after 800 miles.
@@samwarren1429I’ve had the 2024 m3p since it released over 4k miles and haven’t had any phantom breaking. I’m pretty sure they fixed it in newer models and software. Also what car did u get, I’m guessing lucid?
Stalk removal, lack of USS, or at least a 360 camera setup. Even a Bolt EV has 360 cameras and USS in the rear bumper at least. The stalks are a deal killer for me... use my signals 500 times per day... drive 300 miles per day in the city.. Why should I have a lesser car that is a pain to drive just so Tesla can save a couple bucks.. If there is an aftermarket fix. I would consider it.
@rickrademacher7522 When FSD can drive 300 miles in the city for 10 hours a day in and out of parking lots picking up passengers you will be correct.. until then I want stalks that I need to use .
The removal of the stalks was a MAJOR BONEHEAD MOVE. With stalks, I can operate lights and wipers by feel ... now I have to take my eyes off the road to search for the respective steering wheel "buttons" (not really buttons). Now I'll have to resort to the aftermarket to fix this error. Bummer!!! 👎 ☹️ Just to be clear, I do not have "mixed" feelings on this issue. Let us go to FIRST PRINCIPLES. TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLS ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE CHOICE FOR CONTROLS IN A MOVING VEHICLE!! TACTILELY IDENTIFIABLE PHYSICAL CONTROLS ARE THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE OPTION.!!! On this issue Elon and Franz need to get their heads out of their respective asses and get a clue. Minimalism is the fundamental fatal flaw in Tesla's design ethos. Also, the 3 and Y need to incorporate either the driver oriented instrument panel of the S & X or they need to incorporate a HUD. Period. Full stop. This is not a debate, it is a statement of fact!
I have a plaid and see no value in the stalks. I operate everything just fine with the wheel controls and voice. Plus, I rarely have to even change gears. Stalks ARE NOT needed, and I see that now. Been driving this way for 3 years now.
It’s more fun when you use a car that HAS stalks and switch back and forth. I have a 2017 Nissan Leaf and an M3, and when I switch between the two I find myself instinctively reaching for stuff in the M3 that isn’t there.
In beginning of tesla the need to save $ in production was main reason tesla didn't give sound reduction material / glass/stalks good stereo and ride quality was all sacrificed to sell cheapest possible . Most people want hud and stalks because of years of conditioned driving experience. The only real reason people want tesla is hope of fsd that is not yet complete...less is not more and alot of interior living is. Bad compared to compared 40k car. I truly believe Tesla may 1 day deliver a true autonomous car but has over promised and under delivered for decade or more .
Removal of what is left of muscle memory switches and stalks will prevent me from buying another tesla no matter how much I like the car. Its been a year and a half and 35,000 perfect electric miles but I still miss the controls my BMWs had. Less is better should only go so far and in the case of new Teslas its gone too far.
@@freddymax5256 Driving should be an enjoyable experience. That depends on the individual, it's not a question of right or wrong. Everyone's brain and body is different. Some people prefer the muscle memory, as it feels good. I would guess that athletic people go for the muscle memory, nerds don't care so much.
The removal of stalks, parking sensors and rain sensor were important factors for me to move away from Tesla. Although a cars feature set is always a balancing act for any manufacturer Tesla seems to eager to me to prioritize cost cuts at the expense of the driver experience.
When a company stops listening to its customers, they typically fail. Nobody likes everything in a screen. It's dangerous until full self driving is 99.99 % fail safe. Then you can ditch them, not before.
Re stalk removal. Turning buttons just bearable but not as good as stalk. I stuck a luminous dot next to left turning signal ( RHD model ) to reduce confusion when the steering wheel is upside down leaving a roundabout Gear selection without a stalk is pretty good , especially for automatic forward or reverse selection but in an emergency when you need reverse quickly ( car in front rolling back towards you at traffic lights ) it is much slower. Access to high and low beam is not as good as a stalk and often requires you to divert your vision from the road. With stalks the controls are always in the same accessible spot , unlike buttons which change with the movement of the steering wheel. You get used to no stalks , but in many situations it is not as good and is a distraction to safe driving. Still love my M3 P though.
When an accident happens it always: -is totally unexpected; -happens VERY quickly. Every millisecond counts, and no one has time to look down to a screen....
For me removal of the stalks is the worst and outright dangerous. I had FSD pull out into an intersecton and then abandon driving while cars were coming at me from both sides. Frantically I was trying to shift into reverse so as to get out of there and the shift slider on the screen was having none of it. Here in New England there are lots of quick alternating turns, good luck quickly trying to find the right blinker button as the wheel reorients during this navigation. Has the feel of one of those "brilliant engineer" ideas I've seen so much of in my career. And then there is the wiper saga ..
I’ve found that it’s easy to get confused with the turn signals when you have the steering wheel upside down or if you aren’t paying conscious attention. I once made a left turn while inadvertently signaling right at the time.
@@tylerdurden6917No, he makes a good point. Humans are less prone to make a mistake if the turn signal mechanism doesn’t change in positioning. Same thing with the dumb horn button…that could get someone killed. Don’t be defensive based on brand identity. Think critically. Same goes for politics, religion, etc.
@@georgewashington3012 bud I was able to adapt pretty easily, I never once made that same mistake which means it’s a u problem, if I can adapt to it so can u & if u don’t like it then tough
I like the stalks, I like instrument clusters, I like mechanical doors and I like physical gear shifter. why I will never buy a tesla if im looking for an ev
I just want to say that at present I drive a 2021 Model 3 SR+ and have test driven a refresh Model 3 2024. As of right now, I would not consider "upgrading" to the new trim, for the simple reason that the stalks are gone. I went from driving manual "stick shift" in the UK my whole adult life, to American Auto style stalk shifting on the M3 and the upgrade was incredible; being able to whip into reverse without my hand leaving the wheel was an incredibly nimble feeling way to drive and park - now that this is gone with the new M3 and the soon to be released Juniper Model Y, I just don't think I'll drive any new Teslas, it's completely put me off and yes I have considered all the other amazing features.
Love to see them doubling down on stupid design choices. Vehicle ergonomics have been optimized for over a hundred years. Turn signal stalks just do it the best.
Left and right button of steering wheel is a bad design as majority of other car makers continue use lever. Creating a frustrating users switching between Tesla and non-Tesla vehicles.
I switch frequently with no issues. But I get it. Imagine moving to another country and you have to adapt to the steering wheel on the wrong side ;) Just takes a couple weeks to get used to.
Can someone explain what was wrong with the turning stalk? It’s the perfect design; intuitive, always in position and doesn’t need to be looked at to operate. EVs have enough challenges without creating solutions to non-existent problems.
Removal of the stalk for indicating is dangerous especially when exiting a roundabout. Could you also make it a voice control (indicate left or indicate right) I’m glad I still have ultrasonic parking sensors but I’m amazed how poor the Tesla parking display is compared to my wife’s BYD Atto 3 which has a superb 360 degree camera system and sensors. This is a much more serious issue than the ability to play video games or making Fart noises. I still love my 2021 Model 3 Long Range and will probably change to a Model Y Long Range when the Juniper refresh is available in the UK if it is as good as the hype is suggesting but there are a few other options to look at now.
Glad Ii bought my Model Y before the parking sensors were removed. The passenger lumbar isn’t adjusted much, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t used, as my usual passenger (my wife) has it adjusted where she prefers it. I can’t believe we put up with awful automatic wiper function for $1/car cost saving.
"Glad Ii bought my Model Y before the parking sensors were removed." While you may still have the USS, they are no longer used by the vehicle's software. As far as the lumbar, most people only need to set it once and then they never fiddle with it again. Of course there are exceptions and cases where different people use the same seat and require different adjustments.
@@jdudleyh My brother bought a sensor less Model Y in 2023. I often drive it. I assure you my software is using the sensors. My car accurately displays the distances as I pull into my garage. His car is surrounded by a swirl of colors and less accurate numbers. What stopped being used by the software is radar.
Tesla just removed the “Minimize lane change” feature for FSD. This sucks cuz FSD is so aggressive with lane changes, and I almost don’t feel comfortable using FSD now
AVs and FSD relying solely on images will fail in dazzling sunlight, dense fog, smoke, dust, snow, spray etc.. There has to be a fall-back system in place to avoid cars simply stopping so adding to the hazard. Regulatory authorities will likely look hard at this issue. This has to be addressed by Tesla in the near future, if only for piece of mind of those in the vehicles.
I lost my love of my 2018 Model 3 when Tesla shrank the map to map the cartoon of the car driving larger. I really felt how little they cared about my safety and sold it within the year.
Tesla's minimalism was attractive but, lately, I find it going too far. The stalks are especially a dealbreaker for me. I can not afford a Tesla, but if I ever come into some money, a Tesla as it is now won't be my choice.
Yes, a lot of elderly people were unable to adapt from dial and push-button landline desk phones because they were unable to figure out how to operate a buttonless smart phone.
@@dvader3263 You don’t need three arms and hands to operate a buttonless smart phone whereas to turn a Tesla’s steering wheel under control according to the Highway Code and be able to indicate at all times you would do. It’s kinda obvious really, trying to make out it’s an age thing, presumably implying your young and can learn quickly is just dumb.
While I don't like it, no stalks isn't a dealbreaker for me. What is a bigger issue is Elon's childish behavior on social media and now his nose all into politics. A CEO needs to run their company and stop acting like an idiot for the world to see. If he can't focus on Tesla then he needs to let someone else run it.
It should be made illegal for a car manufacturer to remove features from a vehicle (software wise) if you purchase with the particular features. If they added, then it’s a different story, but taking away on something you own, is really a form of stealing?
removing option for regen braking is safety downgrade. During icy conditions, regen braking with RWD is outright dangerous, causing the rear of the car to be unstable during braking and with in experienced driver can cause the vehicle to spin. Tesla should add some "winter mode" that has regen braking disabled in cold weather conditions.
The automatic wipers aren’t that great. I have an MXP, which has the wiper controls on the yoke so manually adjusting them isn’t they big of a deal, but I wish it just had the $1 rain sensor.
Creep mode is the best in NYC, due to all those potholes, its sad that they removed that. Also if they gonna provide high fidelity sound system, they should also provide low latency aux or something.
Removing Creep mode is bad news for those of us who drive in winter weather. That mode definitely helps the cars remain stable and not slip from starting from a complete stop. Ugh.
Of all minor gripes I have with my Y, the windshield wipers suddenly turning on with not a cloud in the sky is the worst. No real world impact it just looks stupid and is annoying. I have to take my eyes off the road and futz around with the screen to turn them off or actually activate them with my left side stalk so that the interface is displayed allowing me to use the thumb wheel to set the wipers to off. Truly a case of high tech being worse than the old tech. I could use voice commands, but I find that works about 1 in every 3 tries, which turns a stupid situation into a Saturday Night Live sketch.
Mexico market Model 3 is not the “first Tesla vehicle with cloth seats”. The orginal 2012 Model S had leather seating as an extra cost option, and several Model S were built and sold with cloth seats.
I would always want my cars to have stalks. I'm currently in a Model Y, but I might have to get a Lucid in the future when it's time to change vehicles.
I know hardcore Tesla fans harp on this guy for what sounds like negative talk. But you're paying the same price for a car that 4 years ago had every feature for the same price that is now gone in the current model(s). If Tesla is saving money in cost cutting features then why shouldn't the buyer see the same in return? Less costs for Tesla should mean less cost for me too, right? But no, it's not the same for the buyer. So yes, some critical feedback should be heard.
@@Diablodelsol the modern cars have more powerful hardware, better cameras, thicker glass, quieter cabins, better stereos, and better fit/finish. They added heated steering wheel, power trunk, better suspension, back seat screen, blind spot led, better screen, better headlights etc etc. fact is, you're getting a lot more for your $ these days, and you lose parking sensors, radar, and stalks. Seems like a fair trade to me to keep the cost down in a time where everything is skyrocketing in price.
There are a lot more market factors involved in pricing (interest rate, inflation, supplier pricing/logistics, ...). Real-time, regional supply and demand is the primary determinist for pricing. Cutting costs can also be to benefit the margin/company.
@@jeremyventurino9481 its also important to note, your losing the hardware, but not the features any of it was capable off, the car still detects objects, the car still parks itself, the car still has indicators obviously.
Honestly I don't see the issue with these changes. I purchased a standard range model 3 in October of 2020, and recently upgraded to the 2025 long range model 3 and as @jeremyventurino9481 said, it's an improvement across the board. Not only that, but the 2025 version was less money out the door despite inflation, though offset by the tax credit which wasn't around in 2020. So not only is it a superior car, but it also has 140 more miles of range for less, which is pretty wild considering the average new car price in the US has increased from 39k in 2020 to 48k this year. If it was the exact same car as it used to be you'd have a point, but the new models 3s are greatly improved.
@@platniumdrThat's true they did add in more power and it's cheaper due to the tax breaks and increased competitiveness of it's rivals overseas. My question is now that Elon has Trump's right arm will he keep up the tax before or let them be drawn back. Otherwise gas cars look good again
Has anyone had to parallel park while shifting on the screen? Seems like it would be ridiculous. I live in a city. I rapidly shift back and forth from reverse to drive as I slide my car into tight spots. I feel like I would be getting honked at if I had to fumble around on the touch screen.
I delayed updating my software for a few updates because I had heard about not being able to use the 12v for my cooler when Sentry was activated. I travel a lot and that was one of the things I loved about my MY. But I finally relented. I used to be able to leave my cooler in the car when I stopped at a hotel overnight instead of dragging it up to my hotel room to plug in like when I belonged to the ICE age. I sure hope they decide to remedy that soon!
Tesla can no longer detect 2 cars in front has slowed down? It was a cool safety feature. I cannot rely on auto vision to park if Tesla is not going to be responsible with damages.
U FORGOT projection headlights----I love the word TESLA projected on a flat vertical surface. I hope they have some sort of projection for MODEL Q, like maybe the T logo would be cool.
Just as I predicted a few years back Tesla is turning into just another car company! No more cutting edge innovation making the other companies panic. Nope now its just another exercise in how much can we remove and charge more money for the car! I was on the fence about buying a Tesla but the more I hear about this, plus the crappy service and build quality, the more I say I'll take a hard pass on Tesla.
@@colinnich Sure it does. Two things can be true at once. There are two ways to build cars: the Tesla way, and the way everybody else does. Everybody else wins. Doesn’t matter how many manufacturers there are. But, to be honest,if sales alone dictate what everyone should buy, we would all be driving F-150s and every other manufacturer -including Tesla - would just go home.
I like my new (to me) 2020 M3. The parts I like least are the ones that Tesla is doubling down on. I want more regen options, not none. I want conventional controls fro lights, wipers and turn signals, and a physical control for shifting. Can't afford physical controls but can afford to put a screen in the back seat that no one will ever use? Hopefully other manufacturers will up their game without mindlessly following Tesla's lead on this stuff. For me, the sum total of these changes would be a deal breaker for me buying a new Tesla.
@@Sal3600 You are nuts. The buttons are just plain stupid. Tesla controls are terrible and everyone knows it. Consumer Report summed it up nicely: "It may have spectacular performance, but this car is an ergonomic nightmare."
I had the first-generation Model 3 for several years and really liked it, but I won't buy another Tesla primarily because of several features that they have since removed. While they are small features, they are ones that a driver uses almost every single day. So, while they may not be a significant factor when "buying" the car, they do become a much bigger factor "living" with the car. The rationale for many of the non-safety related changes also highlights a general lack of care for the needs of customers. There's only one Tesla driver whose opinion Tesla cares about when making decisions.
I have been using auto park for months now, and my USS is off. It is the best auto-parking system right now, nevermind 15 years ago. My MY is probably my 4th car during the past 15 years, and none of them are close, including the recent BMW X3. Current auto-park works really well!
I can see why companies like BYD will continue to have a large market, because most of their cars HAVE proper physical controls and driver facing instruments and not just cumbersome to use screen in the middle of the car.
Firstly, I'd like to mention another cost cutting measure not documented (kept quiet) and not mentioned in this video is a security feature removed, namely the tilt sensor to detect if your car is jacked up. I do disagree with.a few points in this video relating to their importance or the implication that they were the right decision/not missed. I think the notion that removing data from usb's in the console "made sense" is incorrect, if data is only available in a closed glovebox, does this mean if you want to play a game with a wired controller, you have to have the glovebox open?? Stalk removal was just a cost cutting measure and Tesla's weak argument for data input is mute considering you still have to do that with the buttons which is arguably more difficult with a steering wheel hard turned with the buttons now upside down and back to front. orientation.
To operate the turn signal, it is best to signal the turn with the steering wheel buttons before entering the turn, not while in the turn or circle. That is also what FSD does.
@ I was thinking more of changing to exit a roundabout. Normal left and right turns are easy because you generally going straight with the wheel up the right way. Small roundabouts are ok with the buttons.
18:37 Turning of the 12V once the car in sleep mode is extremely discouraging especially running a fridge in the car. Time to sue Tesla for this major function removal since this major function of the car is tyrannically removed. People need to raise their voices to force back this function
No stalks would be fine if the hub of the steering wheel would be fixed. This would be easy and cheap to do. You only need to turn the rim. It would also look cool.
The best thing about physical controls is that the manufacturer can't keeping moving them around with every update. They are also more intuitive in my experience, I definitely fumble about more and take my eyes off the road more trying to use display screen controls.
All the cost cutting measures and subscription fees make my 2018 feel like the better deal still. I won't be buying another Tesla for various reasons, but everything mentioned here just solidifies that fact.
radar cant be substituted with cameras. fog and heavy rain will always be better handled with radar or thermal. thermal sensors are getting pretty cheap now, i think tesla should add a forward looking thermal camera like cadalac did with the raython sensors back in the day
who has a better system than Tesla fsd right now? no one. this is without radar. The over that's really good (waymo) is stacked with sensors and relies on highly accurate geofenced mapping. never to be purchased buy the consumer.
Re: fog and heavy rain will always be better handled with radar or thermal Low vision situations necessitate slow driving. There are situations where vision is the only option such as stop signs or traffic lights and so the car has to perform with its lowest common denominator which is vision. Anything faster is necessarily dangerous. Besides radar is a rubbish sensor in terms of resolution of object recognition and tells you nothing about the road ahead. Is the car the radar sees on the same side of the road or on the opposite side of the road around a corner? Relying on radar in that case is counter productive and likely to re-introduce phantom braking.
@@vevenaneathna Gut feeling agrees with you but I think thermal vision has to be worse definition, and the FSD for those lucky enough to actually GET what they paid for does seem remarkably good at the task. Even in my S the road markings are rendered better than I can see them in iffy light.
I bought a 2023 M3 with FSD in November of 2022. It did not have the ultrasonic sensors, relying on the improved camera system. The software for the cameras did not arrive by the time I got rid of the car the following March. It was highly disappointing to know that I lost a feature that I would have had if I had got a late 2022, since the price of the car was the same. Elon doesn't understand the human brain. If you piss off the customer enough, the customer might say F you and never return. Of course, he loves to F off everyone, so it doesn't matter to him. There were other unresolved issues with the car and I learned that have a car-like thing to drive was not as satisfying as having an actual car. My sound system had speakers that weren't connected: you could buy aftermarket harnesses and re-connect them, but again, a 2022 had the wires and the 2023 did not. Completely messed up thinking. But Elon is on drugs and doesn't think like a human being. Hopefully he will have fun on Mars, and as they say, distance lends enchantment. Life is too short to waste on messed up thinking, so I'm gone.
My new Model Y purchased in Germany in November 2024 came with the mobile connector ( though it no longer comes with the 3 phase 32Amp plug option), parcel shelf, clear film on the rear doors for stone chips. I’ve heard they change what comes with the car per market. We also have creep and roll modes here in Germany.
The cameras are tuned to see much better than we can in fog, snow, darkness, etc. I can tell when driving in heavy fog and look at front camera view from my Cybertruck. Amazing visibility.
Can't talk about new teslas, but my M3 LR goes blind, and basically doesen't work in any of the following conditions and combinations: Fog, Heavy Rain, Light rain and dark. What makes the above an even bigger issue is that one pedal drive makes it a horrendous experience do drive without CC or AP, since every small adjustement to the gas pedal have a direct effect on the speed of the car. It might be better in the future, but for now, cameras aren't really a great solution in areas with harsh winters.
@@martinta1989you forgot low sun blinding the cameras in winter and dark country lanes in the UK where ît can't see the nearside at night on unit roads with close hedges.
I never used the rear cover in any of my SUVs. It's a pain in the neck because I have to store it somewhere in my garage so I can return it with the vehicle at the end of the lease.
if they only got rid of the glass roof, or made it an upgrade. worst feature in terms of efficiency in the summer and massively uncomfortable. my roof its tinted, insulated, and covered and its still so damn hot from the roof area.
Teslas with the connector kit cost $65k for Model Y. The price has been reduced to 50k before the $7.5k tax rebate. I paid the $250 for the mobile connector but saved 15k on the price of the car.
I'd rather have a screen behind the steering wheel vs in the back seat. Any family that can afford a Tesla will have a tablet for each child. They aren't going to watch an awkwardly placed screen for 3 hours on a road trip.
I feel like my neck would hurt after a bit watching on that screen. Looks cool, functionally unnecessary. If they wanted to add entertainment systems, the classic screen in the back of the seat would make sense.
It’s more than a screen to watch movies or videos. It controls the AC etc for the back seat occupants. You can use your own iPads or laptops as there are ports for these also. You have options.
@@alastairhatt360but how much more? I mean, does it make more sense to simply put those controls up front, then allow an app to give people rear seat controls? Then use that money to, let’s say, put in a turn signal stalk? Or perhaps a driver’s instrument cluster.
@@alastairhatt360 You don't need a screen to control. Nobody was asking for a screen there. Just like nobody is asking for push button turn signals. A lot of people want a screen behind the steering wheel, even a very basic one.
@@cheezeandcrackers People love the entertainment screen in the rear; plus it's functional - what other mfg has that? As far as tablets for kids? NO. Do your job, it's a road trip. Ford, Jobs and Elon got to be where they were/are because they know people don't know what they want and literally proved it. I think there is a Kia for you though.
I personally like the stalks
Everyone liked them… except Tesla!
I test drove my first EV and Tesla the other day, it was stalk-less. It really just took a few minutes to get used to and then it wasn't an issue.
I was happy my 2025 Model Y had the stalks. For someone going from a Prius to a Tesla, it made a smaller change.
@@LordHarryWotton I rest drove a model 3, drove it for a day. There were many occasions when I needed to use the turn signal, but the steering wheel was not straight, because of the angle of the road and or vehicle, I had to look to see which button to use. Several times, the steering wheel was nearly upside down and I had to guess which one was correct.
Innovation should be an improvement, not a styling statement. Form should always follow function.
yes too much is on the screen now. EU test data shows that fiddling with the screen makes your response time on par with a stoner driving. Give me stalks, some buttons for the A/C and lights & ill keep my eyes on the road in front.
Wiper function is probably the worst feature of the car - especially in the dark. It is dangerous in some poor weather conditions where you need to concentrate fully on driving - not fiddling with wiper speed/auto all the time. Bring a rain sensor back for $1 and would happily pay for the fitting!
I agree - I frequently have to press the wash/wiper button on the stalk for a quick wipe - not sure what the stalkless alternative is...
@@jcevans6934 voice command now, vs having to mess with the screen.
@@jcevans6934 Yes, and of course automatically turning on when it's not raining and turning itself back on constantly, even when you keep turning auto wipers off. 5 years and they still haven't fixed this.
What happened to pushing the button and saying turn on windshield wipers. voice command. Worked on my 2018 and 2024.
First time I rented a Tesla, it started raining during my drive and I had to stop in the middle of the road in traffic when it was impossible to see out of the windshield and there were no buttons or stalks to turn on the wipers.
Then I had to stop again in the road a few blocks later because the front windshield had fogged up and there’s no button for front defrost.
The wipers in my Model Y *suck*. Come on, Tesla. You've had a decade of this. The vision doesn't work. Put the $1 sensor in the car until it does.
“Almost all input is error” is about the most stupid statement I ever heard. It explains a lot of the bad design decisions Tesla has made and still makes. If you want to know what happens when you don’t have manual override procedures when the tech gets it wrong you can just look at the two 737-MAX accidents. With that attitude Elon should not be allowed within 100 feet of the design of any safety critical system.
Well said Tomas !!
I can't stand his pontificating
No indicator stalks is a horrible move.
I actually prefer no stalks. After one day it's better. used to it now
Indicator stalks are a stupid move.
This actually is seen in the road allready. There are some Teslas, who do not indicate when leaving roundabout even it is mandatory safety thing. When seeing Tesla is not indicating the turn from roundabout I usually see what it was and most often it is a new model 3. Model Y's indicate normally so it must be the stalks.
Have you tried it? I just got a model 3, it's fine, got used to it in days.
You can retrofit them, you'll then get the worlds best vehicle (and keep the stalks some really want)
* It'll only take you less then 1/1.5 hours and cost about 200 - 250 usd
( Google for it )
My big gripe is the removal of ultrasonic sensors and failure to add a rain sensor. Sensors are still more effective that Tesla Vision, and their return would suppliment Vision as a corroborative input (similar to Boeing's solution for the 737 Max). Vision still isn't good with depth while parking - it's like us walking around with one eye closed - and I regularly get dry swipes by wipers when shadows or sunlight hits the camera.
No there not! FSD is better than ever with Tesla vision!
@@kazz1896 I wasnt referencing FSD... Regardless, you're welcome to your opinion.
Tesla uses stereoscopic vision for depth perception.
I may be a minority, but my car has USS, and I turned it off to gain vision based functionality including auto-park (I have FSD). Been using it ever since it was introduced and I don't miss USS anymore. I do admit I missed USS initially.
Yeah I get the dry wipe a lot on my 2023 Tesla Model Y LR AWD. It also goes way too fast on the wipes most of the time, so I frequently put the wipers on manual mode. No parking sensors or front camera is annoying as I have to get out of the car to see how close I am to objects when parking. I plan on getting the new 2026 Toyota RAV4 plug-in hybrid which has all the traditional sensors and over 500 miles of range. I can use the electric mode for daily commuting.
I will say it the other way, if Tesla can't make auto wipers work reliably, it will never make FSD fully autonomous.
Well, yes - if the car is to operate as a Robotaxi while the owner is at work, it needs to be able to reliably keep its cameras clean independently.
What's ironic is I think FSD might already be better than their auto wipers, smh
unrelated issues. But FSD is decades away based on Tesla failings.
With capacitive buttons on the steering wheel most user input is error - so Elon's prediction was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
they're actually real buttons now. much safer than stalks.
@@Sal3600 On the Tesla homepage in the Model 3 2024 owners manual Driving->Steering Wheel is an info-box stating: "Note
Some controls on the steering wheel are capacitive buttons, meaning they do not have a physical switch, but respond to touch and provide haptic feedback (as a vibration). Do not rest your fingers on them unless intended. Unintentionally touching these buttons can enable or disable them. If a button is mistakenly enabled, remove your fingers from the switches for several seconds to resume normal operation."
In the picture above there is no indication that the indicators are real buttons.
@@sandmehlig I have a 2024 tesla model 3 highland. I can confirm there are zero capacitive touch buttons.
Note: I said "now" in my original comment meaning newer models.
@@Sal3600 I wonder why Tesla would not update their Model 3 owner's manual.
@@Sal3600 How are stalks unsafe? I can't wrap my head around that. I can ALWAYS find the stalks with my hand in the dark or while I'm turning hand-over-hand. I can find the buttons in the dark, too, but it's a lot harder to find them when the wheel isn't aligned straight ahead. That said, I don't use the turn signals when I'm already turning, so there's that. With steer-by-wire, as in the CT, I can get used to the buttons. Test drove one last week and didn't have much trouble. Would really like to see SBW in the MY refresh.
Stalk removal: it's for this reason that I'll be moving on to a BYD Seal as my next EV when I change my Tesla M3.
Same here (tho not that specific car due to lame tariffs). No gear shift stalk is potentially deadly if you're trying to do an emergency turnaround. Most idiotic decision ever by Elon and that's saying a lot. Okay, maybe not the most idiotic, but it's up there.
@@heathclifs8417you have buttons on the roof lol
@@HyperVegitoDBZ nah still have a stalk.
2:09 Honestly after driving the new Tesla model 3 in the UK it was down right dangerous when trying to use the indicator on the wheel when exiting Roundabouts.
I definitely didn't like it compared to having the indicators on the storks.
I am kind of tired of Tesla fans telling everyone to adopt. "You will adopt to the stalkless/buttons/screen/OPD/whatever in a day/week/month. Elon is always right." If Musk is a smart businessman he would LOWER the barriers because that would bring more sales/profit/market share with higher stock prices. I guess he has too much money already and does not want more.
They should have kept the radar, a vision system cannot see through fog.
Radar has bad resolution and cant make out features of things ahead and cant provide context. Dont run into that car! Oh wait the road turns...Ultimately its the software that decides on courses of action and if the situation and object ahead cant be determined, having the sensor is counter productive. The best solution is to simply drive at a speed that allows for safe actions given the visibility and that can best be achieved by vision alone.
If you can’t see through it drive accordingly. Don’t rely on the systems to do it for you all the time, you are still in control so use the cars tech as a assistant not the solution.
@@alastairhatt360 Well obviously but the cars should see way more than we do and seeing through fog or heavy rain is what sensors would do. But I say forget radar and use FLIR.
Radar is good when moving slow, when going fast there a bunch of problems introduce. Their range resolution, and their accuracy fall off the cliff. It require a lot of processing power to recalibrate for errors. Also to have 2 systems competing and contradicting each other wouldn't be so productive for the Ai while trying to figure how to drive.
@@Tien1million and yet aircraft radar is extremely accurate.
A software update removed defrost for the main screen and buried it under menus. Their excuse was they were cleaning the interface and no one used defrost(in southern California) so they removed it. Digging through menus when one cant see out of the windshield was a bad idea for a company which prioritizes safety. They added it back a few months later (probably after a NHTSA investigation).
press the voice command button and say "turn on rear defroster"
And nobody use turning lights… I supose….
What they remove next… steering wheel? You can drive with touch screen if needed?
They forget that their cars are operated in climates that are different to California or Texas.
The defroster options can be displayed as your favorites on the screen without going to the menu. I also have the wipers as a favorite to access them more easily. In addition, one commenter illustrated these controls can be done via voice commands.
@@Endangered-Barking-Toad Thanks, sometimes it is hard to find the exact phrasing, Grok will be welcomed as it should understand any phrasing. I think voice command requires cell connectivity, they should move it into onboard compute. unfortunately Grok will probably need the cloud.
Might as well make tires an upgraded option
I hardly ever use my left rear passenger door. Get rid of that
Airbags are used by less than 1% of Tesla drivers. Cost savings!
No stalks, no mobile connector, no radar, no passenger lumbar support, no rear cargo cover, no home link, no buttons…what’s next? 🤔
I’m really surprised there’s no regulation against removing turn signal stalks
No steering wheel, no pedals.
There should be.
our future doesn't look very safe with trump and Elon removing safety regulations to increase the bottom line.
as if you were going to buy fsd package lol. btw it's better than ever without radar.
The one regulation that actually exists is the hazards button had to be an actual button. Otherwise everything else is fair game
True story here. A friend of mine hopped in to my brand new m3 and was so impressed he ordered one a couple a week later. However he didn’t know that my M3 was the last batch to have stalks. No prize for guessing right. He cancelled his order after he clarified with me that his model won’t have stalks. There you go Elon!
I bought my Tesla in September 2023. I had planned on buying the refreshed Model 3 but when I saw at the beginning of September that the stalks had been removed I got hand on one of the last original Model 3.
Not having a rain sensor is my biggest complaint. The wiper in the cybertruck sucks. It often turns on when it's not raining and doesn't turn on when it is raining. Because it's sometimes doesn't turn on when it's raining hard, it's dangerous. I have to constantly press the button to make it wipe once. NHTSA should issue a recall and force Tesla to install rain sensors.
Removal of stalks is a serious safety issue. Try to find the turn signal button on the wheel while going through a traffic circle, for example.
Euro NCAP have added requirement to get 5 star safety score from 2026 that cars need to have physical buttons for horn, blinkers, whipers, horn and SOS.
Based on pictures on juniper it going to have stalks, I am pretty sure this is also a reason why tesla bringing it back.
Agree with you on the indicator stalk… bring it back until self-driving isn’t supervised.
also fix it, the indicator stalks are terrible...i can never tell whether the indicator has engaged.
I traded my 21 MYLR AWD for a 24 MYLR AWD and noticed a number of downgrades on the exact same model vehicle. The audio fidelity was way better on the 21. Also, the acceleration is very noticeably different (slower) on the 24. Even with the acceleration boost upgrade, it is still slower than the stock 21 and the rated Range is 30 miles less. I can't drive 40 miles in the 24 without my back hurting. I never had lower back issues in the 21; seats were way more comfortable and adjustable. Honestly, I miss the ultrasonic sensor accuracy and was hoping to see more benefits and upgrades in the 24, instead, it feels like I down graded going to the 24. At this juncture, I would be happy with any vehicle that had a roof sunglasses holder; even the cheapest vehicles have a dedicated place for sunglasses and garage door openers, not Tesla? Don't even get me started on the horrible auto wipers... Sad.....very sad how Tesla vehicles are going in the wrong direction for features, owner satisfaction and comfort...😌
From someone who has driven a Model 3 Highland for six months the gear shifting on the screen actually isn't much of a problem. It works ok and most of the times (although far from always) it will correctly select the right gear when you get in the car and press the brake pedal. The indicator buttons on the other hand are a nightmare. I still often fail to indicate when I exit smaller roundabouts and it removes my attention from the road every time I have to find the right button while turning the steering wheel. This solution should not be legal. It also drives me nuts when the car suddenly feels the need to take over braking or steering for no apparent reason. And I can't even turn that crap off. By the way Elon Musk has also been a huge source of frustration for me since I bought the car (our second Tesla btw.) so I can confidently say that I'm buying a different brand next time.
The braking issue I have in a 2022 honda CRV as well. Typically when someone is turning off the main road, I have room to pass but the car still brakes. Super frustrating, and im sure in 10 years the software/hardware will be so faulty its going to cause a lot of issues making the car virtually undriveable. Now Tesla does run updates so they might not have the same issues but frustrating none the less.
@@van_alan_folk My 2016 ICE Tiguan exactly the same. It's radar, not visual. And if it rains heavily, I have no auto braking at all.
Gears on a Tesla?
What about Elon ?
Elon only cares about his own opinion, not mine or yours. About cars, about Mars, about education, about marriage and fidelity and what it means to be a good dad, about Ukraine, about Germany, about Democracy....
Lumbar support does make a huge difference in passenger comfort once it is adjusted. Normally you don't need to change it...
Exactly. How can they say it’s not needed when it’s set and forget. Primary passengers don’t change much but the driver might switch a bit more.
It’s NOT OK to remove features from my car after I’ve bought it
All of this.
A month ago I leased my 2nd EV. I have stalks, sensors, radar, full time blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, and all around view camera display, and homelink. My wife's favorite feature, she can open the door with one finger, either hand. Lumbar support for the passenger seat is included. Throw in wireless Apple Carplay, Android Auto, SiriusXM satellite and AM radio.
Yeah, it's not a Tesla.
And it won’t OTA update or last as long or have a battery range last as long or supercharge or give you the future option to self-drive. What a wonderful car you didnt buy
@@BongoWongoOG You are right, it won't self drive like a Tesla with FSD. I do however have access to V3 and V4 superchargers. It does get OTA updates although they are not on the order of Tesla's. One Tesla feature it does not have is Phantom Braking. My first test drive of the 2024 M3 on 2 lane hwy it phantom braked. I have a relative with a 2018 M3 he bought new. He can't use Autopilot because it Phantom Brakes to the point of distraction. He paid for FSD and feels cheated because it never lived up to the promises made at the time. And of course his paid for radar was disabled. My Autopilot function follows the road with adaptive cruise control and automatic speed adjustment if desired. I can correct the steering to go around a pothole without disengagement. Not one instance of phantom braking after 800 miles.
@@samwarren1429I’ve had the 2024 m3p since it released over 4k miles and haven’t had any phantom breaking. I’m pretty sure they fixed it in newer models and software. Also what car did u get, I’m guessing lucid?
@@MrGunner121 2024 Mach-E. Eruption Green, a close color match to our long gone 1967 Dark Moss Green Mustang.
Stalk removal, lack of USS, or at least a 360 camera setup. Even a Bolt EV has 360 cameras and USS in the rear bumper at least.
The stalks are a deal killer for me... use my signals 500 times per day... drive 300 miles per day in the city.. Why should I have a lesser car that is a pain to drive just so Tesla can save a couple bucks.. If there is an aftermarket fix. I would consider it.
In Europe we have a lot of turnarounds!
The stalks are really ”usefull” and essential when there are several turnarounds one after another…
Yeah, I have a 360 camera on my Rivian. It virtually eliminates the need for USS.
When using FSD, you , as a human don't need to use the turn signals as FSD does it for you.
@rickrademacher7522
When FSD can drive 300 miles in the city for 10 hours a day in and out of parking lots picking up passengers you will be correct.. until then I want stalks that I need to use .
1. indicator stalks
2. gear shift stalk
3. manual wiper control
These are the 3 big ones for me.
The removal of the stalks was a MAJOR BONEHEAD MOVE. With stalks, I can operate lights and wipers by feel ... now I have to take my eyes off the road to search for the respective steering wheel "buttons" (not really buttons). Now I'll have to resort to the aftermarket to fix this error. Bummer!!! 👎 ☹️ Just to be clear, I do not have "mixed" feelings on this issue. Let us go to FIRST PRINCIPLES. TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLS ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE CHOICE FOR CONTROLS IN A MOVING VEHICLE!! TACTILELY IDENTIFIABLE PHYSICAL CONTROLS ARE THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE OPTION.!!! On this issue Elon and Franz need to get their heads out of their respective asses and get a clue. Minimalism is the fundamental fatal flaw in Tesla's design ethos. Also, the 3 and Y need to incorporate either the driver oriented instrument panel of the S & X or they need to incorporate a HUD. Period. Full stop. This is not a debate, it is a statement of fact!
Why are you buying a car that can drive for you if you're gonna complain about needing to drive?
I have a plaid and see no value in the stalks. I operate everything just fine with the wheel controls and voice. Plus, I rarely have to even change gears. Stalks ARE NOT needed, and I see that now. Been driving this way for 3 years now.
It’s more fun when you use a car that HAS stalks and switch back and forth. I have a 2017 Nissan Leaf and an M3, and when I switch between the two I find myself instinctively reaching for stuff in the M3 that isn’t there.
What you say is a “statement of fact” is not a statement of fact. Also, “period” and “full stop” are redundant.
In beginning of tesla the need to save $ in production was main reason tesla didn't give sound reduction material / glass/stalks good stereo and ride quality was all sacrificed to sell cheapest possible . Most people want hud and stalks because of years of conditioned driving experience. The only real reason people want tesla is hope of fsd that is not yet complete...less is not more and alot of interior living is. Bad compared to compared 40k car. I truly believe Tesla may 1 day deliver a true autonomous car but has over promised and under delivered for decade or more .
Removal of what is left of muscle memory switches and stalks will prevent me from buying another tesla no matter how much I like the car. Its been a year and a half and 35,000 perfect electric miles but I still miss the controls my BMWs had. Less is better should only go so far and in the case of new Teslas its gone too far.
You gotta use that muscle between your ears.
Are you still driving a stick shift then? That was more of an adjustment for me than the blinker controls.
@@dbradley65 One of my cars yes but thats not even close to the same thing.
using your thumbs is also muscle memory. it's safer too. you dinosaurs are clinging to the past.
@@freddymax5256 Driving should be an enjoyable experience. That depends on the individual, it's not a question of right or wrong. Everyone's brain and body is different. Some people prefer the muscle memory, as it feels good. I would guess that athletic people go for the muscle memory, nerds don't care so much.
Removing stalks is crazy. I would rather have smaller wheels with stalks to make up for the expense of the stalks.
The removal of stalks, parking sensors and rain sensor were important factors for me to move away from Tesla. Although a cars feature set is always a balancing act for any manufacturer Tesla seems to eager to me to prioritize cost cuts at the expense of the driver experience.
When a company stops listening to its customers, they typically fail. Nobody likes everything in a screen. It's dangerous until full self driving is 99.99 % fail safe. Then you can ditch them, not before.
Re stalk removal.
Turning buttons just bearable but not as good as stalk.
I stuck a luminous dot next to left turning signal ( RHD model ) to reduce confusion when the steering wheel is upside down leaving a roundabout
Gear selection without a stalk is pretty good , especially for automatic forward or reverse selection but in an emergency when you need reverse quickly ( car in front rolling back towards you at traffic lights ) it is much slower.
Access to high and low beam is not as good as a stalk and often requires you to divert your vision from the road.
With stalks the controls are always in the same accessible spot , unlike buttons which change with the movement of the steering wheel. You get used to no stalks , but in many situations it is not as good and is a distraction to safe driving.
Still love my M3 P though.
When an accident happens it always:
-is totally unexpected;
-happens VERY quickly.
Every millisecond counts, and no one has time to look down to a screen....
For me removal of the stalks is the worst and outright dangerous. I had FSD pull out into an intersecton and then abandon driving while cars were coming at me from both sides. Frantically I was trying to shift into reverse so as to get out of there and the shift slider on the screen was having none of it. Here in New England there are lots of quick alternating turns, good luck quickly trying to find the right blinker button as the wheel reorients during this navigation. Has the feel of one of those "brilliant engineer" ideas I've seen so much of in my career.
And then there is the wiper saga ..
I’ve found that it’s easy to get confused with the turn signals when you have the steering wheel upside down or if you aren’t paying conscious attention. I once made a left turn while inadvertently signaling right at the time.
🙄 that’s a you problem not Tesla bud
For that, you're going to hell.
@@tylerdurden6917No, he makes a good point. Humans are less prone to make a mistake if the turn signal mechanism doesn’t change in positioning. Same thing with the dumb horn button…that could get someone killed. Don’t be defensive based on brand identity. Think critically. Same goes for politics, religion, etc.
@@georgewashington3012 bud I was able to adapt pretty easily, I never once made that same mistake which means it’s a u problem, if I can adapt to it so can u & if u don’t like it then tough
People here have given up signaling completely. Tesla's are pretty hated for that.
I like the stalks, I like instrument clusters, I like mechanical doors and I like physical gear shifter. why I will never buy a tesla if im looking for an ev
I just want to say that at present I drive a 2021 Model 3 SR+ and have test driven a refresh Model 3 2024. As of right now, I would not consider "upgrading" to the new trim, for the simple reason that the stalks are gone. I went from driving manual "stick shift" in the UK my whole adult life, to American Auto style stalk shifting on the M3 and the upgrade was incredible; being able to whip into reverse without my hand leaving the wheel was an incredibly nimble feeling way to drive and park - now that this is gone with the new M3 and the soon to be released Juniper Model Y, I just don't think I'll drive any new Teslas, it's completely put me off and yes I have considered all the other amazing features.
You forgot one: They removed the outside temperature sensor with the highland model 3. It now relies on weather data.
Really? Ridiculous. The weather can be different 100 yards away.
@@lopezb You two probably are the only ones who need this sensor, for the rest of us it's useless 🤣
@@DeividasRudokaswhat if the internet is down? Redundancy is never a bad thing.
@@MrGunner121 Weather data would still be available for that session
that is really a bad idea.
Love to see them doubling down on stupid design choices. Vehicle ergonomics have been optimized for over a hundred years. Turn signal stalks just do it the best.
Left and right button of steering wheel is a bad design as majority of other car makers continue use lever. Creating a frustrating users switching between Tesla and non-Tesla vehicles.
I switch frequently with no issues. But I get it. Imagine moving to another country and you have to adapt to the steering wheel on the wrong side ;)
Just takes a couple weeks to get used to.
No biggie… used to it quickly. Plus, the car does 97% of my driving for me now. 🤷🏻♂️
yea I don't get it. took a drive or two to get used to. and car does most of the driving anyhow. certainly will accelerate in the future.
Can someone explain what was wrong with the turning stalk? It’s the perfect design; intuitive, always in position and doesn’t need to be looked at to operate.
EVs have enough challenges without creating solutions to non-existent problems.
@@snowkie Cost and to be different. I'm not sure which was it, but between Ferrari and Lambo there are some models with buttons too.
Removal of the stalk for indicating is dangerous especially when exiting a roundabout. Could you also make it a voice control (indicate left or indicate right)
I’m glad I still have ultrasonic parking sensors but I’m amazed how poor the Tesla parking display is compared to my wife’s BYD Atto 3 which has a superb 360 degree camera system and sensors. This is a much more serious issue than the ability to play video games or making Fart noises. I still love my 2021 Model 3 Long Range and will probably change to a Model Y Long Range when the Juniper refresh is available in the UK if it is as good as the hype is suggesting but there are a few other options to look at now.
Glad Ii bought my Model Y before the parking sensors were removed. The passenger lumbar isn’t adjusted much, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t used, as my usual passenger (my wife) has it adjusted where she prefers it. I can’t believe we put up with awful automatic wiper function for $1/car cost saving.
"Glad Ii bought my Model Y before the parking sensors were removed."
While you may still have the USS, they are no longer used by the vehicle's software.
As far as the lumbar, most people only need to set it once and then they never fiddle with it again. Of course there are exceptions and cases where different people use the same seat and require different adjustments.
@@jdudleyh My brother bought a sensor less Model Y in 2023. I often drive it. I assure you my software is using the sensors. My car accurately displays the distances as I pull into my garage. His car is surrounded by a swirl of colors and less accurate numbers. What stopped being used by the software is radar.
yes, really Tesla.... $1 fix for the wipers!!!!
Tesla just removed the “Minimize lane change” feature for FSD. This sucks cuz FSD is so aggressive with lane changes, and I almost don’t feel comfortable using FSD now
Why not use Chill mode instead of Standard or Hurry?
I agree. The damn car changes lanes for no reasons and it is really irritating at times.
@@CarlBlackit still wants to change lanes when in Chill.
@@CarlBlack he probably doesn't have FSD v13.
@@Resist4 Minimize Lane Change is still available on FSD v12, so idk what they're talking about.
AVs and FSD relying solely on images will fail in dazzling sunlight, dense fog, smoke, dust, snow, spray etc.. There has to be a fall-back system in place to avoid cars simply stopping so adding to the hazard. Regulatory authorities will likely look hard at this issue. This has to be addressed by Tesla in the near future, if only for piece of mind of those in the vehicles.
I lost my love of my 2018 Model 3 when Tesla shrank the map to map the cartoon of the car driving larger. I really felt how little they cared about my safety and sold it within the year.
Tesla's minimalism was attractive but, lately, I find it going too far. The stalks are especially a dealbreaker for me. I can not afford a Tesla, but if I ever come into some money, a Tesla as it is now won't be my choice.
Yes, a lot of elderly people were unable to adapt from dial and push-button landline desk phones because they were unable to figure out how to operate a buttonless smart phone.
@@dvader3263 You don’t need three arms and hands to operate a buttonless smart phone whereas to turn a Tesla’s steering wheel under control according to the Highway Code and be able to indicate at all times you would do. It’s kinda obvious really, trying to make out it’s an age thing, presumably implying your young and can learn quickly is just dumb.
Totally agree. Put the stalks back in Tesla. What a bonehead move.
While I don't like it, no stalks isn't a dealbreaker for me. What is a bigger issue is Elon's childish behavior on social media and now his nose all into politics. A CEO needs to run their company and stop acting like an idiot for the world to see. If he can't focus on Tesla then he needs to let someone else run it.
21:45 minor correction auto pilot speed functionality hasn’t been fully restored, using the radar was able to go 90 mph not 85
It should be made illegal for a car manufacturer to remove features from a vehicle (software wise) if you purchase with the particular features. If they added, then it’s a different story, but taking away on something you own, is really a form of stealing?
removing option for regen braking is safety downgrade. During icy conditions, regen braking with RWD is outright dangerous, causing the rear of the car to be unstable during braking and with in experienced driver can cause the vehicle to spin. Tesla should add some "winter mode" that has regen braking disabled in cold weather conditions.
Or just several options… $10 feature?
@@haukikannel it's literally $0 and 10 seconds for a Software developer to add options for adjusting the regen level.
Tesla vision makes FSD unusable with weather >= light mist at highway speeds.
My main problem with Tesla is that now I'm being charged an extra insurance premium for driving to my job at night.
The automatic wipers aren’t that great. I have an MXP, which has the wiper controls on the yoke so manually adjusting them isn’t they big of a deal, but I wish it just had the $1 rain sensor.
Creep mode is the best in NYC, due to all those potholes, its sad that they removed that. Also if they gonna provide high fidelity sound system, they should also provide low latency aux or something.
I won’t be buying another Tesla. No stalks, no purchase. Has no one in the company driven outside the US?
New model Y still has blinker stalks
Removing Creep mode is bad news for those of us who drive in winter weather. That mode definitely helps the cars remain stable and not slip from starting from a complete stop. Ugh.
A rain sensor would be nice :)
Thats why i bought a hyundai ioniq instead bc of teslas constant downgrades, but a car interior should ALWAYS have physical buttons
Of all minor gripes I have with my Y, the windshield wipers suddenly turning on with not a cloud in the sky is the worst. No real world impact it just looks stupid and is annoying. I have to take my eyes off the road and futz around with the screen to turn them off or actually activate them with my left side stalk so that the interface is displayed allowing me to use the thumb wheel to set the wipers to off. Truly a case of high tech being worse than the old tech. I could use voice commands, but I find that works about 1 in every 3 tries, which turns a stupid situation into a Saturday Night Live sketch.
Mexico market Model 3 is not the “first Tesla vehicle with cloth seats”. The orginal 2012 Model S had leather seating as an extra cost option, and several Model S were built and sold with cloth seats.
I would always want my cars to have stalks. I'm currently in a Model Y, but I might have to get a Lucid in the future when it's time to change vehicles.
The car can drive itself but you have to manually wipe.
I know hardcore Tesla fans harp on this guy for what sounds like negative talk. But you're paying the same price for a car that 4 years ago had every feature for the same price that is now gone in the current model(s). If Tesla is saving money in cost cutting features then why shouldn't the buyer see the same in return? Less costs for Tesla should mean less cost for me too, right? But no, it's not the same for the buyer. So yes, some critical feedback should be heard.
@@Diablodelsol the modern cars have more powerful hardware, better cameras, thicker glass, quieter cabins, better stereos, and better fit/finish. They added heated steering wheel, power trunk, better suspension, back seat screen, blind spot led, better screen, better headlights etc etc. fact is, you're getting a lot more for your $ these days, and you lose parking sensors, radar, and stalks. Seems like a fair trade to me to keep the cost down in a time where everything is skyrocketing in price.
There are a lot more market factors involved in pricing (interest rate, inflation, supplier pricing/logistics, ...). Real-time, regional supply and demand is the primary determinist for pricing. Cutting costs can also be to benefit the margin/company.
@@jeremyventurino9481 its also important to note, your losing the hardware, but not the features any of it was capable off, the car still detects objects, the car still parks itself, the car still has indicators obviously.
Honestly I don't see the issue with these changes. I purchased a standard range model 3 in October of 2020, and recently upgraded to the 2025 long range model 3 and as @jeremyventurino9481 said, it's an improvement across the board. Not only that, but the 2025 version was less money out the door despite inflation, though offset by the tax credit which wasn't around in 2020. So not only is it a superior car, but it also has 140 more miles of range for less, which is pretty wild considering the average new car price in the US has increased from 39k in 2020 to 48k this year. If it was the exact same car as it used to be you'd have a point, but the new models 3s are greatly improved.
@@platniumdrThat's true they did add in more power and it's cheaper due to the tax breaks and increased competitiveness of it's rivals overseas.
My question is now that Elon has Trump's right arm will he keep up the tax before or let them be drawn back. Otherwise gas cars look good again
Def don’t like the missing stalks. That would be a big negative on purchasing a refreshed 3 or Y
Removal of Homelink w/o my knowledge - very annoying.
Reverting back to clickers for gate and garage is not in line with modern tech.
Has anyone had to parallel park while shifting on the screen? Seems like it would be ridiculous. I live in a city. I rapidly shift back and forth from reverse to drive as I slide my car into tight spots. I feel like I would be getting honked at if I had to fumble around on the touch screen.
I keep waiting for a Tesla that is just a battery on wheels. No cameras, no auto clever stuff, small or no screen, etc.
not happening
I delayed updating my software for a few updates because I had heard about not being able to use the 12v for my cooler when Sentry was activated. I travel a lot and that was one of the things I loved about my MY. But I finally relented. I used to be able to leave my cooler in the car when I stopped at a hotel overnight instead of dragging it up to my hotel room to plug in like when I belonged to the ICE age. I sure hope they decide to remedy that soon!
Tesla can no longer detect 2 cars in front has slowed down? It was a cool safety feature.
I cannot rely on auto vision to park if Tesla is not going to be responsible with damages.
yeah, don't trust the autopark. It doesn't always work.
Tesla will never cover insurance as they know it's not safe enough. Elon counts on Trump passing a law that
will protect him from lawsuits.
U FORGOT projection headlights----I love the word TESLA projected on a flat vertical surface. I hope they have some sort of projection for MODEL Q, like maybe the T logo would be cool.
Just as I predicted a few years back Tesla is turning into just another car company! No more cutting edge innovation making the other companies panic. Nope now its just another exercise in how much can we remove and charge more money for the car! I was on the fence about buying a Tesla but the more I hear about this, plus the crappy service and build quality, the more I say I'll take a hard pass on Tesla.
There is a reason no other automaker copies Tesla’s nonsense and, combined, these automakers sell more EVs than does Tesla.
Not sure your argument makes sense. Every other manufacturer having to be added together to outsell Tesla doesn't really reflect badly on Tesla.
@@colinnich Sure it does. Two things can be true at once.
There are two ways to build cars: the Tesla way, and the way everybody else does. Everybody else wins. Doesn’t matter how many manufacturers there are.
But, to be honest,if sales alone dictate what everyone should buy, we would all be driving F-150s and every other manufacturer -including Tesla - would just go home.
I like my new (to me) 2020 M3. The parts I like least are the ones that Tesla is doubling down on. I want more regen options, not none. I want conventional controls fro lights, wipers and turn signals, and a physical control for shifting. Can't afford physical controls but can afford to put a screen in the back seat that no one will ever use? Hopefully other manufacturers will up their game without mindlessly following Tesla's lead on this stuff. For me, the sum total of these changes would be a deal breaker for me buying a new Tesla.
I'd rather a screen in the back than old people's stalks.
@@Sal3600 You are nuts. The buttons are just plain stupid. Tesla controls are terrible and everyone knows it. Consumer Report summed it up nicely: "It may have spectacular performance, but this car is
an ergonomic nightmare."
I had the first-generation Model 3 for several years and really liked it, but I won't buy another Tesla primarily because of several features that they have since removed. While they are small features, they are ones that a driver uses almost every single day. So, while they may not be a significant factor when "buying" the car, they do become a much bigger factor "living" with the car. The rationale for many of the non-safety related changes also highlights a general lack of care for the needs of customers. There's only one Tesla driver whose opinion Tesla cares about when making decisions.
Bumper USS absolutely needed to bring Tesla's parking features up to the standards of 15 year old ICE vehicles
I have been using auto park for months now, and my USS is off. It is the best auto-parking system right now, nevermind 15 years ago. My MY is probably my 4th car during the past 15 years, and none of them are close, including the recent BMW X3. Current auto-park works really well!
I can see why companies like BYD will continue to have a large market, because most of their cars HAVE proper physical controls and driver facing instruments and not just cumbersome to use screen in the middle of the car.
I love most thing about Tesla, but I will NEVER EVER buy such crap minimalist crap!
I love most thing about Tesla, but I will NEVER EVER buy such crap minimalist crap!
Firstly, I'd like to mention another cost cutting measure not documented (kept quiet) and not mentioned in this video is a security feature removed, namely the tilt sensor to detect if your car is jacked up. I do disagree with.a few points in this video relating to their importance or the implication that they were the right decision/not missed. I think the notion that removing data from usb's in the console "made sense" is incorrect, if data is only available in a closed glovebox, does this mean if you want to play a game with a wired controller, you have to have the glovebox open??
Stalk removal was just a cost cutting measure and Tesla's weak argument for data input is mute considering you still have to do that with the buttons which is arguably more difficult with a steering wheel hard turned with the buttons now upside down and back to front. orientation.
To operate the turn signal, it is best to signal the turn with the steering wheel buttons before entering the turn, not while in the turn or circle.
That is also what FSD does.
@ I was thinking more of changing to exit a roundabout. Normal left and right turns are easy because you generally going straight with the wheel up the right way. Small roundabouts are ok with the buttons.
I think “all input is error” means “the car should know what to do without input from the user.”
Tesla cutting corners while other manufacturers are stepping up their game.
18:37 Turning of the 12V once the car in sleep mode is extremely discouraging especially running a fridge in the car. Time to sue Tesla for this major function removal since this major function of the car is tyrannically removed. People need to raise their voices to force back this function
No stalks would be fine if the hub of the steering wheel would be fixed. This would be easy and cheap to do. You only need to turn the rim. It would also look cool.
Removal of the creep and roll features is a major bummer for driving in driveways and parking lots.
Doesn’t help for winter driving with full regen on slippery roads.
Use slip start. It reduces regeneration and softens power delivery
The best thing about physical controls is that the manufacturer can't keeping moving them around with every update. They are also more intuitive in my experience, I definitely fumble about more and take my eyes off the road more trying to use display screen controls.
Parking sensor removal was stupid!
Worth mentioning the removal of ultrasound sensors (USS). Even on cars that have them, they disabled them via software
I have a Model S from 2018 and the ultrasonic sensors still work.
The ultrasonic sensors on my 2018 Model 3 still work fine.
Maybe mine were disabled because I had FSD? I’ll have to check again
Less gimmicks, lower prices. That’s what we need as long as the quality and the reliability is improving.
and lower quality
less gimmicks like ventilated seats and screens in the back? Oh and quality.. right, still rattles everywhere.
All the cost cutting measures and subscription fees make my 2018 feel like the better deal still. I won't be buying another Tesla for various reasons, but everything mentioned here just solidifies that fact.
radar cant be substituted with cameras. fog and heavy rain will always be better handled with radar or thermal. thermal sensors are getting pretty cheap now, i think tesla should add a forward looking thermal camera like cadalac did with the raython sensors back in the day
who has a better system than Tesla fsd right now? no one. this is without radar.
The over that's really good (waymo) is stacked with sensors and relies on highly accurate geofenced mapping. never to be purchased buy the consumer.
Re: fog and heavy rain will always be better handled with radar or thermal
Low vision situations necessitate slow driving. There are situations where vision is the only option such as stop signs or traffic lights and so the car has to perform with its lowest common denominator which is vision. Anything faster is necessarily dangerous. Besides radar is a rubbish sensor in terms of resolution of object recognition and tells you nothing about the road ahead. Is the car the radar sees on the same side of the road or on the opposite side of the road around a corner? Relying on radar in that case is counter productive and likely to re-introduce phantom braking.
@@medhurstt Have you seen v13 fsd? no one else compares. My point is its working without radar.
@@Sal3600 I agree. I was replying to the OP, not you. Elon was correct removing radar and he's still right about lidar IMO.
@@vevenaneathna Gut feeling agrees with you but I think thermal vision has to be worse definition, and the FSD for those lucky enough to actually GET what they paid for does seem remarkably good at the task. Even in my S the road markings are rendered better than I can see them in iffy light.
I bought a 2023 M3 with FSD in November of 2022. It did not have the ultrasonic sensors, relying on the improved camera system. The software for the cameras did not arrive by the time I got rid of the car the following March. It was highly disappointing to know that I lost a feature that I would have had if I had got a late 2022, since the price of the car was the same. Elon doesn't understand the human brain. If you piss off the customer enough, the customer might say F you and never return. Of course, he loves to F off everyone, so it doesn't matter to him.
There were other unresolved issues with the car and I learned that have a car-like thing to drive was not as satisfying as having an actual car. My sound system had speakers that weren't connected: you could buy aftermarket harnesses and re-connect them, but again, a 2022 had the wires and the 2023 did not. Completely messed up thinking. But Elon is on drugs and doesn't think like a human being. Hopefully he will have fun on Mars, and as they say, distance lends enchantment. Life is too short to waste on messed up thinking, so I'm gone.
they need to improve in their interior quality. I've already visited Tesla 4 times to fix rattles and noises. It's so frustrating
Maybe Elon removed the turn stalks because he wanted his drivers to be like BMW drivers?
My new Model Y purchased in Germany in November 2024 came with the mobile connector ( though it no longer comes with the 3 phase 32Amp plug option), parcel shelf, clear film on the rear doors for stone chips. I’ve heard they change what comes with the car per market. We also have creep and roll modes here in Germany.
Gapless playback on Spotify and other streaming apps stopped working in May after a software update. Please fix!!!
How does Tesla Vision work in fog? Fog is when pile-up crashes happen because only radar can see through fog
The cameras are tuned to see much better than we can in fog, snow, darkness, etc. I can tell when driving in heavy fog and look at front camera view from my Cybertruck. Amazing visibility.
It doesn't, it will give up and tell you to drive in severely reduced visibility.
Can't talk about new teslas, but my M3 LR goes blind, and basically doesen't work in any of the following conditions and combinations: Fog, Heavy Rain, Light rain and dark.
What makes the above an even bigger issue is that one pedal drive makes it a horrendous experience do drive without CC or AP, since every small adjustement to the gas pedal have a direct effect on the speed of the car.
It might be better in the future, but for now, cameras aren't really a great solution in areas with harsh winters.
@@martinta1989you forgot low sun blinding the cameras in winter and dark country lanes in the UK where ît can't see the nearside at night on unit roads with close hedges.
@@djtaylorutube Ohh right about the blinding camera. Also the nearly constant warning on the screen when the sun is blinding one of the side cameras.
I never used the rear cover in any of my SUVs. It's a pain in the neck because I have to store it somewhere in my garage so I can return it with the vehicle at the end of the lease.
That's just you - the rest of us like some privacy
Thanks for mentioning the 12v accessories issue, TESLA NEEDS TO FIX IT !!!!!!
if they only got rid of the glass roof, or made it an upgrade. worst feature in terms of efficiency in the summer and massively uncomfortable. my roof its tinted, insulated, and covered and its still so damn hot from the roof area.
Only caveat is that the glass is a structural part of the car. Take that away, and the cars will have to be completely redesigned for a metal/cf roof.
Bring physical buttons back
Teslas with the connector kit cost $65k for Model Y. The price has been reduced to 50k before the $7.5k tax rebate. I paid the $250 for the mobile connector but saved 15k on the price of the car.