add's are clear and present danger. the useage of adds is to test how alert the raid is to incomming danger, similar to void zones, ground fire and even dispels. adds are a safe way to test new theories before trying out full blown new encounters (eg: drakes in EOE, tanks at flame lev) and if you pay attention, some of these new encounters with add's have extra depth (AOE's, raid wide debuffs unless your in a safe zone etc)
One of the most important thing about arena encounter is this. Quoted from EJ forum: "Part of the mechanic for the area fight is that the person closest to Thorim gets automatic aggro of adds. As tank try standing on the part of the circle closest to Thorim and have the healers and DPS stand on the other side of the circle, farthest from Thorim." Hopefully this helps
its a good idea to take a druid healer with the hallway group due to them needing to move quickly and they can combat res if neccesary. the arena group adds have much less hp so if one dps there dies, it isn't a disaster. also, warlocks should be in the hallway group due to their lack of burst damage. all warlock specs suffer from lack of instance cast, instance damage spells.
Guys, to see what addons they're using, go to tankspot's website, and go to the forums and visit a guide thread and they'll post a link that'll tell what what addons the cameraman (so to speak) used.
Ret Paladin rotation is a priority rotation. Highest damage ability first, keep everything off-cd. Judge, Crusdader Strike/Divine Storm(Depends on if there are multiple mobs or not) Consecrate. Rinse and repeat.
Dominos for the bars, Pitbull for the UnitFrames, Grid fro the Raid Frames, Omen for threat, ArcHUD (or a similar HUD mod) for the curvy health bars, Parrot for the combat text, Satrinas Buff Frames (I think) for the buffs. that is a post from someone else
try making the melee assign themselves West East and South of the boss 2/3 on each side depending on setup, this will stop the chains jumping between more then 2 people and possibly a tank
We went with 2 tanks / 3 heals as well. Arena is definitely more healing intensive. That being said, arena also needs more raw dps-power. What we did was send just 4 people (feral-tank (me), resto-druid, dps-war and rouge) down there and we still managed to activate hardmode by accident on our first try.
Yes it does. It will decrease your defense by 200... That means that your BASE defense of 400 will go down to 200... so unless your 200 def over the cap (which is like 800+rating EXTRA) then it matters.
Its optimal to send as few dps as possible through the gauntlet while still being able to reach Thorim in time, because youll need every spare raider in the arena to keep it from getting overwhelmed with evokers.
Would a Feral Druid tank eliminate the need to taunt the boss when he lowers the defense of the tank? (plate wearer with 540 def vs druid with avoidance)
I love these guides but will there be one for 25 man? My guild seems to be having the most trouble with chain lightnings, it pretty much just decimates out melees, and we've been pretty melee heavy last couple of runs.
i don't think you actually get to "choose", you ll be assigned ;) BTW: why does your raid have melee in gauntlet group? Won't warlocks/mages do better?
Any tank can get crittable from unbalancing strike. Even if the "6% not crittable" is talent for druids you can get crittable if your base defense (400 at 80) is lowered. But dont ask me if druid can stack resi gear for 6% and take more unbalance strikes.. ;)
(continued)Single target tanks and heals are best for hallway. phase 2 is the hardest part,during phase 3 just make sure the taunt correctly and you should kill him. We never wiped on any other phase but 2 so just remember when u reach phase 3 you win! Also gratz on t8 shoulders :)
This was the last boss we were going to attempt for the night and we all watched this video because we had never been there. We thought the video was pretty intimidating and we didn't think we could kill the him first night trying, but we 1 shotted him. Easy as ballz
in 10 man we normally go with about 1 healer who can aoe heal such as a druid or shaman. in 25 man we used too holy paladins, (one being me) very easy to clear if u used ranged dps/casters. We went with 1 hunter and 2 mages, and 2 warlocks as our dps inside. Went quick and fast. One tank as well. We used our warrior tank becuz he was the most familiar with tanking the gauntlet.
Probably should have used the mages in the gauntlet group. Their aoe is pretty ineffective unless they are using arcane explosion and it is easy for them to avoid the aoe damage from the gauntlet. But whatever, you downed him.
I totally agree. We got him down to 2 million health before he was hitting like a bastard and almost one shotting our tanks. I need to find a heroic vid of this.
Yeah we downed him second try and the healers were pro...we didnt realize that he lowered tanks defense rating so Thorim was criting our MT like crazy and no one died on teh second attempt!
druids are different then other tanks, because they get less armor from there leather items they have to avoid being hit altogether. so they stack up lots and lots of dodge and when they get hit lots and lots of stam. they also benefit fro there own crits so its best to stack agi
Hope his help people having trouble on this fight for 10 man. Arena:Holypriest(me:D),DKtank,HolyPally,Druidboomkin,Magearcane,Retpally Hallway:DiscPriest,FuryWarrior,Rogue(idkspec),ProtWarrior Hardest part for us i think was the arena pretty difficult to do with out a Prot pally but it is doable. we tryed it 5-5 but it didnt really work out so we went 6-4 which is the best way imo. I never did he mc thing and imo didnt need it. Decent raid healers and aoe tanks are perfect for arena
Hehe - youøre right. it doesnt silence... slows down casting for a while. Your raidleader is silly not to listen to casters thats actually had the Deafening Thunder on them.
HAH When he talked about how many times it may take to get it down he Said my guild name Trial and Error Which we often go through Anyway, these videos are great they well explain the fights and my guild uses them for our ulduar clear, so thank you for making them so easy to learn from
What are you talking about? Are you admitting to the assumption that since you downed Flame Leviathan you would be able to clear Ulduar and that you came to the shocking realization that you suck?
add's are clear and present danger. the useage of adds is to test how alert the raid is to incomming danger, similar to void zones, ground fire and even dispels.
adds are a safe way to test new theories before trying out full blown new encounters (eg: drakes in EOE, tanks at flame lev) and if you pay attention, some of these new encounters with add's have extra depth (AOE's, raid wide debuffs unless your in a safe zone etc)
One of the most important thing about arena encounter is this. Quoted from EJ forum:
"Part of the mechanic for the area fight is that the person closest to Thorim gets automatic aggro of adds. As tank try standing on the part of the circle closest to Thorim and have the healers and DPS stand on the other side of the circle, farthest from Thorim."
Hopefully this helps
its a good idea to take a druid healer with the hallway group due to them needing to move quickly and they can combat res if neccesary. the arena group adds have much less hp so if one dps there dies, it isn't a disaster.
also, warlocks should be in the hallway group due to their lack of burst damage. all warlock specs suffer from lack of instance cast, instance damage spells.
Guys, to see what addons they're using, go to tankspot's website, and go to the forums and visit a guide thread and they'll post a link that'll tell what what addons the cameraman (so to speak) used.
If you got to the end of the quest chain, you'd see why. He was captured by Loken, and in the Ulduar raid, Yogg-saron has controlled him.
Ret Paladin rotation is a priority rotation. Highest damage ability first, keep everything off-cd. Judge, Crusdader Strike/Divine Storm(Depends on if there are multiple mobs or not) Consecrate. Rinse and repeat.
Dominos for the bars, Pitbull for the UnitFrames, Grid fro the Raid Frames, Omen for threat, ArcHUD (or a similar HUD mod) for the curvy health bars, Parrot for the combat text, Satrinas Buff Frames (I think) for the buffs.
that is a post from someone else
Both Lore and Ciderhelm have threads about their UIs on the tankspot forums, complete with downloads.
Check it out, they're pretty cool.
Can someone tell me how to enable the display of my targets buffs/debuffs on pitbull 3.0?
try making the melee assign themselves West East and South of the boss 2/3 on each side depending on setup, this will stop the chains jumping between more then 2 people and possibly a tank
We went with 2 tanks / 3 heals as well.
Arena is definitely more healing intensive. That being said, arena also needs more raw dps-power. What we did was send just 4 people (feral-tank (me), resto-druid, dps-war and rouge) down there and we still managed to activate hardmode by accident on our first try.
I believe the one he uses (because it is stated on the tankspot forums) is IceHUD not arcHUD2
Yes it does. It will decrease your defense by 200... That means that your BASE defense of 400 will go down to 200... so unless your 200 def over the cap (which is like 800+rating EXTRA) then it matters.
Whats the name of the add on on the bottom right side, it shows incoming-dmg/healing;outgoing-dmg/healin.?
Its optimal to send as few dps as possible through the gauntlet while still being able to reach Thorim in time, because youll need every spare raider in the arena to keep it from getting overwhelmed with evokers.
imagine im watching this guide after 13 years
i think i'l choose the guantlet group, seems more fun and needs more dps no ?
everything in ulduar is lighting and so intimidating
whats the name of the addon thats a circle in the center?, and is there a addon to show damage from your raid group?
thanks
Would a Feral Druid tank eliminate the need to taunt the boss when he lowers the defense of the tank? (plate wearer with 540 def vs druid with avoidance)
how often does vulmir the northern tempest drop off of 25 mann?
What Addon is that that shows Mana gains etc etc going down the sides in curves?
Absolutely awesome guide, very clear and concise. One question though...what is that music playing in the background? It's amazing.
im a ret paladin 2 and i was wandering what rotation u use?
I love these guides but will there be one for 25 man? My guild seems to be having the most trouble with chain lightnings, it pretty much just decimates out melees, and we've been pretty melee heavy last couple of runs.
They didn't make it through quick enough so it didn't show Sif in the video... She will be easy to find tho so don't worry :)
It's custom, not too hard to make, google Lore's UI and you'll find a post from Lore telling people how to make it.
Can any1 tell me what's the addon of the charecter and target bar look like this?
i don't think you actually get to "choose", you ll be assigned ;)
BTW: why does your raid have melee in gauntlet group? Won't warlocks/mages do better?
Any tank can get crittable from unbalancing strike. Even if the "6% not crittable" is talent for druids you can get crittable if your base defense (400 at 80) is lowered. But dont ask me if druid can stack resi gear for 6% and take more unbalance strikes.. ;)
what addon is that at the top and bottom of the screen
i wish blizzard stop spamming encounters with dozens of adds like nefarian or kt and focus more on the boss it self.
nice video as always.
Can someone tell me how he uses Judgement of Blood? is it a race skill ?
They don't make raid guides like they used to these days
Greg13578 what’s different?
What's the addon that shows the achivments liek that? O.o
Bartender allows you to fully customize your bars.
ok we had a hard time in arena what do we need in arena
How many healers is recommended in the hallway?
What is the loot addon he has? looks like wowhobbs's 1
Your music is so soothing where do you get it? leave message pls. :p
HI there! :) can you and the warrior from Tankspot do a vidieo witch all you addons you use!? :) 5/5 nic vid !:D
What is the name of this song, its so peaceful. ^_^
such calming music i wanted to take a nap
what are you running? (computer specs)
I knew that Loken was controlled by Yogg but i didnt realize Razorscale was Veranus =O
(continued)Single target tanks and heals are best for hallway. phase 2 is the hardest part,during phase 3 just make sure the taunt correctly and you should kill him. We never wiped on any other phase but 2 so just remember when u reach phase 3 you win! Also gratz on t8 shoulders :)
This was the last boss we were going to attempt for the night and we all watched this video because we had never been there. We thought the video was pretty intimidating and we didn't think we could kill the him first night trying, but we 1 shotted him. Easy as ballz
Its cause he is under the "influence" of Yogg-Saron. He was driven insane by him.
Hes under control of Yogg-Saron in the raid.
@Blacktulip2039 Its in Fast forward, thats not how fast they go lol
kgpanels, sunnart, mulitple addons can do this.
My first time fighting Thorim, when we got there, the worm was dead.
what addons do you use?
in 10 man we normally go with about 1 healer who can aoe heal such as a druid or shaman. in 25 man we used too holy paladins, (one being me) very easy to clear if u used ranged dps/casters. We went with 1 hunter and 2 mages, and 2 warlocks as our dps inside. Went quick and fast. One tank as well. We used our warrior tank becuz he was the most familiar with tanking the gauntlet.
lol! at the beginning.. like 0:27 when he was talking about the worm i thought he said that it "had a comical breath attack"
xD
auctioneer?
Did you win t8? :b
Tell your other tank not to spam taunts, it never didn't work for me.
Probably should have used the mages in the gauntlet group. Their aoe is pretty ineffective unless they are using arcane explosion and it is easy for them to avoid the aoe damage from the gauntlet.
But whatever, you downed him.
Such a cool design for this encounter. :)
I totally agree. We got him down to 2 million health before he was hitting like a bastard and almost one shotting our tanks. I need to find a heroic vid of this.
What's the addon for Range Check
Deadly Boss Mods /range *Number*
put your best dpsers in the arena
Looks like elkano's buff bar to me.
dont add music that makes it hard to hear you please.
This videos was recorded 11 years ago lol
must have big screen
its called "Grid"
Yeah we downed him second try and the healers were pro...we didnt realize that he lowered tanks defense rating so Thorim was criting our MT like crazy and no one died on teh second attempt!
Nice video. Though, I always find the background music you use sounds like softcore porn music.
we had that happen too, but we wiped and came back and the worm was up again;p
druids are different then other tanks, because they get less armor from there leather items they have to avoid being hit altogether. so they stack up lots and lots of dodge and when they get hit lots and lots of stam. they also benefit fro there own crits so its best to stack agi
i like this guys voice better
songs?
druids are already Def capped through talents.
Hope his help people having trouble on this fight for 10 man.
Arena:Holypriest(me:D),DKtank,HolyPally,Druidboomkin,Magearcane,Retpally
Hallway:DiscPriest,FuryWarrior,Rogue(idkspec),ProtWarrior
Hardest part for us i think was the arena pretty difficult to do with out a Prot pally but it is doable. we tryed it 5-5 but it didnt really work out so we went 6-4 which is the best way imo. I never did he mc thing and imo didnt need it. Decent raid healers and aoe tanks are perfect for arena
Its the horde versjon of Seal of Martyr
Hehe - youøre right. it doesnt silence... slows down casting for a while. Your raidleader is silly not to listen to casters thats actually had the Deafening Thunder on them.
Damn so ironic, we did this last night and now the vid pops up xD ah well thx for the great vid anyways, keep up the good work
Wow, that's a fun encounter
Very clear guide and nice voice : )
You i remember you the one in the mountains
whos watching in 2023?
Nice guide
Great voice.
HAH
When he talked about how many times it may take to get it down he Said my guild name
Trial and Error
Which we often go through
Anyway, these videos are great they well explain the fights and my guild uses them for our ulduar clear, so thank you for making them so easy to learn from
Gauntlet is extremely easy..
Pitbull unit frames.
becuuuz?
"because they get less armor from there leather items they have to avoid being hit altogether."
no it wasnt
not the same person. Different voice.
What are you talking about? Are you admitting to the assumption that since you downed Flame Leviathan you would be able to clear Ulduar and that you came to the shocking realization that you suck?
Pitbull I'd guess
In the mountains
I just noticed how fail that 1 DK is lol. Hes using a PvP talent in raids.
xXCannonXx tf you talkin about there is uh pve
looks like iceHUD to me
I bet.
More minimal than MCST.
Looks like EavesDrop
thats what i half said dude