Timothy Keller: How to Know if You Are a Christian Nationalist
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- Get notes on this podcast here: churchleaders.... “Evangelical theology is not so much really affecting Christian nationalism," says Dr. Timothy Keller. "Christian nationalism is recruiting in a major way from evangelicals and using us.”
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I would like to see this updated. As a historian and Christian level, two is clearly reached even going beyond.
This was a very interesting and thoughtful discussion on Christian nationalism. As a Christian and an American I believe that one of the things that makes America great is the fact that the founding fathers purposefully separated the church from the state. That is what makes the US different from the rest of many countries as we had the freedom to worship or not to worship as we pleased. I’m so tired of the angry rhetoric from the right that demonizes anyone who is what they call liberal. That is not Christian or Christlike when we are called to love thy neighbor.
The separation of Church and State prevents the creation of a national church. I.E. The Church of England. It was not saying the Government was not to govern according to Christian morality or Biblical revelation.
Tim nailed it. The issue with Christian Nationalism is that it completely undermines the First Amendment, “Freedom of Religion.” How is it American to make everyone follow “YOUR” interpretation of Christianity? That’s forcing religion. Evangelicals would have a fit if Jews or Muslims did this and called it American.
Why do Christians believe that the world should think like a Christian? As Christians we should follow Christ's teachings and be examples of service, kindness and let people know we care about them. Not make them the enemy.
Neutrality is a myth.
It is clear that departure from God’s word creates chaos, all you have to do is read the Old Testament to find that out. The more Israel rejected God, the more wicked they became. Likewise, the more the world rejects Christ, the more wicked they will become.
Why do we as Christians want others to be Christians too? Because we love people, and we desire that they be saved by repenting and putting their trust in Jesus. Unless they do this, they will spend eternity in hell.
@@spovlock51 Yes we do want people to become Christian's because only then can they receive the Spirit and begin a relationship with Christ.
I said why do we believe the world should "Think" like Christians do because they don't, they don't have the ability to understand from a Christian perspective.
The Apostle Paul said it this way Ephesians 4: 18 - 19 "They are darkened in their understanding and separated from God because their ignorance due to the harding of their heart."
Christians think the world should understand things that only comes with a change through the desire to know God and the leading of the Holy Spirit, they do not, we complain and judge them when we should know they don't need our condemnation because they are already condemned.
You are correct that we are share to share the Good News so they can be saved, but until they see their need they won't see the world differently.
I know what the term “christian nationalism” is trying to define, but it ends up defining any Christian who is not actively trying to make peace with the world.
Matthew 10: 37 paraphrased . . . he who loves country or president more than Jesus, is not worthy of Jesus.
No, it is simply the Belief that god apparently created the US and republicans, and anyone who doesn't agree with that ridiculous belief isn't american or christian.
Thank you for this video.
Tim is really on point with this presentation...he's got a lot of wisdom...!
So for Keller a "Christian Nationalist" is someone who takes the Bible seriously, loves his country, respects Western Civilization and doesn't bow the knee to the Cultural Marxists?
It is sick that he blames those Christians who warned us about the militant secular left are the reason the church is now facing persecution in the West.
You hit the nail in the head. Christian Nationalism is a fictitious movement created to push Christianity inside the walls of our homes and churchs and don't even think about using your constitutional rights to change laws.
Christian Nationalism is the only way to defend our Country, our Western Civilization, and our Faith.
For God and Country!!! 🇺🇸✝️
If the preacher is telling you to vote Republican from the Pulpit you are in a church that is leaning to Christian Nationalism if it isn’t already a full blown Christian Nationalist church.
@@johnnyloftin780 what if they tell you to vote democrat?
The Pulpit belongs to God. It should be above political endorsement. Jesus said “Render unto Caesar that that is Caesars and to god what is God’s. The Pulpit is God’s and politics is Caesar’s.
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Thank you so much for this video! It was so encouraging and really blessed me so thanks a ton!
I find it interesting that just like how there are different denominations in Christianity, there are different definitions of Christian nationalism within the churches. As an atheist I am interested in what the churches are saying and so far it’s very muddied. I find more churches that are against Christian nationalism, but still some are saying there is nothing with it and at the same time saying the other churches are wrong with their definitions. I am very scared of this country becoming a theocracy with this rise of Christian nationalism. I do NOT want this to happen and lose my freedoms to some religious government. It’s concerning that the church can’t agree and come to a consistent message about this.
Woke, Overwoke, Underwoke. Nationalist Jingo Nationlist , Anti-Nationalist. Christian, Ultra Christian, Anti-Christian. Secularist. Christian America was and is Exceptionally Good, Christian America was and is Exceptionally Bad.
Why not become a Christian and join a movement to change it? Plus you get God’s help!
@@jejuislandtrekker8113 Why would I become affiliated with an organization that has repeatedly been in literally hundreds of scandals of aiding and hiding child molesters and abusers in the past 50 years (or more likely the past few centuries)? I have operated most of my life not believing in a god and I have a very fulfilling life. Wonderful friends and family, a loving fiancee, a career that doesn't feel like work. I don't see a point in believing in any god when I'm a good person, follow the golden rule, and lead a fulfilling life. I'd rather spend my energy leading people out of religion than joining one. That goes for any organized religion.
@@itkirk Christianity has nothing to do with what you just mentioned. Look at Jesus and what he did for you. Read the Bible yourself and decide. Humans are fallen, that’s no surprise and is a pretty fallen argument to denounce Christianity all together for a groups of fallen people who have done bad things in the name of religion. Also, in the name of irreligion bad people has prospered. The question is, which founder of all the religions died for its people, lived a perfect life, was God in flesh and spirit and forgives you. It’s only Christianity.
@Jeju Island Trekker Either you are completely disingenuous, dishonest, or both. "Christianity has nothing to do with what you just mentioned." Really . . . Really?! People have abused children for decades under the umbrella of christianity and religion. Have you not heard of the Catholic church? The southern baptist church, or mormon temple? Like it or not, these organizations are ALL under the umbrella of christianity. People in power have taken advantage of others because of their position, but have been dismissed of all consequences because they have been ordained and are "children of god." Nothing to do with christianity, my ass. I have been to sunday school as a kid, read the bible cover to cover, studied it with church groups while all at the same time read the qaran, baghavad ghita, tao te ching and other philosophies of various cultures. Your "jesus" is no different then Muhammed, Siddhartha or even quetzalcoatl. Maybe you should read all of what the aztec serpent bird did for you. Throughout my reading I have come to one simple conclusion, ALL organized religion is bullshit. It's all just psyche projection trying to make sense of the world. We are flawed naturally. Just like you are born with four limbs, somebody can be born with 3. It's happened before, it can happen again. Just like you are born with sight, someone can be born blind. It's repeatable over and over again. I can give reason why lightning strikes by resorting to the mythology of Thor, but I'm not because it's absurd. Just like the belief of any god is absurd. I will always go to the position of living for what I have here on earth because that is the only life I have. I believe that consequences and my morality are derived directly from how I treat people and how they react, no matter how flawed they are.
If believing America was founded on Christian principles, and wanting Christ like morals in our government, wanting a nation that looks to God for his guidance. I am proud to say I am a Christian Nationalist. No apologies here.
You do realize all the qualities you listed is the opposite of nationalism? Look up the definition and history of nationalism.
@@lawrencehung3546 have you read their definition? If so you understand what I wrote. Liberals are stretching definitions to quiet those that oppose their agenda.
Your beliefs are not only completely wrong, but could also be very dangerous. Just look at the Islamic Republic of Iran for an example of what those kind of beliefs can lead to.
@@chrisleaver929 you let people brainwash you. My beliefs are spot on. God forbid people read thou shall not kill and actually act on it. Or don't steal. Your just a wimp that has no beliefs to stand on.
@@righteousrebelmedia5934 If I ever need anymore insight on brainwashing from a religious cult member, I'll let you know.
So out of touch. Sorry to say, but ridiculously out of touch. Next podcast: Christian Elitism
Yeah okay...
1925: Both sides are using the nietzschean way, both left and right.
This was great. Thanks for doing this interview.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Should Christians not prefer a God fearing king, president, governor, mayor, etc or a hater of God and His church? Are not all these leaders of the state God's servants and accountable to him in their actions as magistrate? Should we not call them to be just and follow God's law and 'kiss the Son''? Just as we are called to love our spouse above all other women, our family above other families, should not we care for our community, city, state & nation above others as the place where God has called us to live and work? Any gift of God can become an idol... Patriotism and nationalism don't seem to be fundamentally different. Should we be nationalists, tribalists, anarchists or globalists?
You've got some nice neat categories there. How would you characterize Abraham Lincoln, as a God-fearer or God-hater? Why did Southern Christians hate him?
17:05 Evangelical churches and congregations with Kerygma are growing!
Keller's promotion of evil systems and organizations makes him disqualified to be a pastor of a church
Christ is the ONLY WAY TO heaven
10:49-10:56 My wife and I were talking ( she grew up in evangelical church, I grew up in a Pentacostal church) and I could see how the statement could be true based on all the prayer meetings and it's reflecting on your sins, but she asked "define reading your bible and prayer" because she has seen people and pastors read through the bible and pray yet still seem like they're christian nationalist leaning
This is an example of someone who has become out of touch, and has prejudices of types of people.
Control Opposition
Here's the thing. God is in control of all the affairs of the world. We cannot change God's plan by voting or committing an insurrection in an attempt to overthrow the government. The purpose of Christianity is to bring souls to Jesus. The honest supplicant for salvation is given the Holy Spirit to guide him or her on their way. There is scripture that can help. Matthew, 5-7. These are the commandments given by Jesus, and on the day of judgment, we will be compared with how we obey these commandments. Politics are evil. Lies, slander, flattery, bribery, theft, coercion, extortion, hypocrisy, and murder. These are the very foundation of All politics, and, All political platforms, And All politicians must employ these vile tools to get power and influence. Really, everybody knows this. Jesus is the truth. So, clearly, there can be no mixture of Christianity and politics.
Thank you for this good analysis of Christian Nationalism.
I have become a great admirer of your sermons on the gospel over the past two months. I have listened to 50 or 60 sermons. However, this is one post that disappointed me and I didn't think you were your regular brilliant self. The Tim Keller I have come to admire would not have sounded like such a homer who spoke to the bias of the asker. Instead, he would have addressed the feelings of superiority of the Christian globalist.
I don’t know any Christian nationalists around me or in congress but there are plenty of people embracing socialism/globalism where they think the world can be utopia if we all give up our rights to government.
Yeah, no. Thats not a thing. And i can point to a few in Government who would likely fit as On-the-Agenda of the "Christian" Nationalist.
9:04 You are taking a cheap shot at American Exceptionalism, almost like you dont really understand American Exceptionalism at all.
Christian Nationalist just means a real follower of Christ. It's a derogatory label applied by fakes like Keller but it's helpful because it helps us see the lines.
Christian nationalist are remnants of American racist and segregationist past. Shame on them, they will soon be a relic of a deplorable past. Fake Christians.
Lol, there it is! You guys can't accept the death of Christian Evangelical/Conservatism is coming close in the United States. Deal with it.
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We c u smiling bigots from a mile away.
I agree, you've clearly delineated the difference, however, all of us already knew exactly what you are. Oh, and who.
White Trumpers: I don't like Tim Keller😆
hahahha true
30% of Evangelicals are Christian nationalists? That's about right, if you consider the most fervent supports. But in the general population, over half are either enthusiastic about it or accommodating of the agenda. Only minority overtly reject Christian nationalism. Most of those are among non-Christians, like Jewish Americans or Agnostics/Atheists or other non-Christian religions.
Among mainline Protestans, about half are accommodating or advocates of this cause. Among Evangelicals, it's even worse.
Hippies gonna hippie and Keller is a super hippie
Christian nationalism, did you mean to say christofascism?
In the minds of so many Americans (me being one), I used to think of Billy Graham and think "Christian." Now I think of Trump and can't help but think "Christian." That is NOT an improvement.
A sad comment indeed. Trump may claim Christianity, but shows none of the signs. He is easily recognized as a fake and a blasphemer holding up the Bible in Lafayette Square. In one interview he professed to never having had a reason to repent or ask for forgiveness. Perhaps nonChristians might be deceived, but any real follower easily sees through his falseness. Anyone can change, but thus far he has never represented Christianity in any way.
I too prefer secular nationalism, countries shouldn’t be lead by Christ. That would be evil.
Tim Keller does not advocate secular nationalisme. This is a false dichotomy. Christ does not rule in that way. His is not a kingdom of this world he rules in the hearts of his followers making them into people who seek to serve in stead of to dominate.
WHAT?!?! A country led by Christ would be evil!?!? Did you need to rethink this statement again, Mr. Snow, perhaps clarify exactly what you mean?
@@conniesobotka4491 it’s sarcasm Connie
@@jonsnow9762 OOOhh! Well then, carry on and call me oblivious.
@@angelafloodgate4437 we are to be salt & light in the world. It is correct that Christ has not set up His Kingdom yet. But to be silent on the corruption around us is to condone. Think the German patriotic church in the 1930's.
Jesus is indeed Lucifer the Morning Star, which is why Isaiah 14:12 lists Lucifer as the Morning Star and then Jesus calls himself the Morning Star in Rev 22:16. The reason Christards fail to see the obvious is because they are brainwashed by their churches into reading the Bible BACKWARDS and reading the New Testament BEFORE the Old Testament. We read books from FRONT TO BACK for a reason, and that is because you can't possibly understand the end of a book that you don't understand the beginning of. And it is not even possible to fully understand a book from reading the LAST QUARTER of it. With that being said...----> Adam and Eve were NOT first, and the 2 stories of Creation in Genesis are NOT about the same Creation as the Christian church teaches. GOD makes people on the 6th day of Creation in Genesis 1:26. Then in Genesis chapter 2 God rests, God sanctifies the 7th day, and then the LORD God of Israel creates Adam and Eve on the 7th day of Creation. To work on the 7th day that God has blessed and sanctified is BLASPHEMY, which is what makes the LORD God SATAN the LORD of this world. That also makes clear that Adam and Eve were NOT FIRST, they were made second. Doesn't the 6th day of Creation come BEFORE the 7th day of Creation?----> The family lineage that begins with Adam and ends with Jesus is the family lineage made by SATAN the LORD God, not God. That's why Isaiah 14:12 lists Lucifer as the Morning Star, and then Jesus calls himself the Morning Star in Rev 22:16. Jesus was Lucifer in the flesh, not God in the flesh. Jesus is Lucifer the Morning Star! Go to my channel for more details...
That NEW WORLD Order that Alex Jones and other GOP Christards pretend to fight is really the goal of Christianity otherwise known as the NEW EARTH (Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22, 2 Peter 3:13, Rev 21:1) to be ruled by the New Jerusalem. The New Earth is where the nations are destroyed and massed together for a world government that will be on the shoulders of Jesus. Well, isn't the New World Order a world government as well? And gee, New Earth even sounds exactly like New World, doesn't it? That is not a coincidence, the New Earth is indeed the New World Order. It's all right there in your NEW WORLD Translation Bible if you actually bothered to read it...
What a confused blabber this Keller dude is. Sad really. So incoherent.