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You need to use finishing carbon, which is much finer. you also need to wash and rinse it first. soak it in the spirit for a day or two. You should see bubbles coming up out of it. Then filter it through coffee filters with the activated carbon in the filter. That stuff you used looks like aquarium charcoal to me.
Hi Kristie, good to see you posting more videos. I believe the kind of charcoal is important. The Sugar Maple charcoal is the one used here in several distilleries in Tennessee. Also, the liquid flowing though the charcoal is what actually maximize the adsorbing effect. Usually that is how it happens on the mellowing vessels. Thanks again for the amazing videos. :)
yes but do they not have to wash it before using it to get rid of those bad tasting wood oils? also it is not active coal but i understand it still imparts a flavor profile or does something different than polishing like ac does right? if you could go over my query thanks
In my own experience, the reason of the bad taste of the spirit after you filtered it with charcoal is due to a poor washed of the charcoal, you have to washed it multiple time until the water is tasteless
I would love your opinion on my method of charcoal filtering. I filled a five foot long white PVC 2" pipe with activated charcoal. Attached a half gallon reservoir at the top and a valve at the bottom with a bit of copper mesh at the top and bottom to hold charcoal in place. I first pour water through the charcoal since the charcoal does tend to absorb some alcohol. Then I pour my three gallon batch of one time distilled spirits through the charcoal three times. Then the spirits are ready for the second distillation through botanicals. After three batches, I roast the charcoal in a 350* F oven for an hour to dispel undesirables. This seems to work OK. What do you think?
Hi Robert, sorry for the late reply. From what I've read online, it say that to reactivate activated carbon (AC) the carbon must be heated to 600C or higher. Although, when I look at home distilling forums and other posts, people seem to be reactivating the carbon in their oven like you. I suppose baking in the oven would help reactivate the carbon to a degree. I would be curious to know what people would say in a blind taste test if you filtered the spirit through virgin AC versus AC that had been used several times and then reactivated. That would give a clearer indication of how successful this reactivation method is.
"I first pour water through the charcoal since the charcoal does tend to absorb some alcohol." adsorb you mean and that is what it should be doing ,by diluting it with water you prevent it from doing its job besides some ppl put water in to get out the remaining alc, but i thought that remaining alc is bad,, so idk about any of these practises , typically i just let it sit on the coal and then boil rinse the coal several times then dry it in oven, perhaps i should make it max at 500 deg f from now on but if i had to do that for the longer pipe methode it would be to cumbersome a process
Hey brewbird Try soaking the charcoal in some acidic liquid like lemon juice plus water . Soak it for at least 24 hours then rinse the charcoal ans let it dry. Now its ready to use . Thanks for your very useful informations .
re: the taste - you may need to wash the dust off the cheap charcoal by soaking in good clean water first for a hour or two. Aquarium charcoal is rather low purity and has a lot of contaminants and is probably false economy. It can be used to soak at the bottom of a stripped batch but the taste carries over when it's new. I find it more palateable when used once or twice rather than when new, similar to oak chips used in aging. One conventient source of small amounts of good activated carbon is health capsules and I add 500-1000mg to a 20L fermenter at the end of the ferment a day or two I start to clear it. Used like this it can keep any yeasty tastes down especially if I don't have time to strip it as soon as it clears. Used like this it tends to float on the top as a just but stirring to degas the liquid just like when adding clearing agents distributes it through a little. It makes everything a pain to clean though - beware :)
better yet boil it and rinse and repeat 3 to 4 times for new batch, i also do this to clean and recharge/recycle the coal to be used again , hmm i also thought about using it in a mash but not sure how that mash was gonna turn up so it would be perhaps premature,, but what do you mean by "a day or two I start to clear it. how do you do that? or did you mean to say it clears up o n its own meaning the mash settles and clears up faster with use of coal in it? and what do you mean but this? " especially if I don't have time to strip it as soon as it clears."?
The ethyl alcohol reacts with O2 in the presence of carbon to produce Acetaldehyde and the longer it sit on carbon the more Acetaldehyde is produced. If you have a neutral spirit you are walking a fine line puting it on carbon. It requires a very short retention time to get the other carbon catalysed reactions that give vodka its unique flavour. In Russia, if the vodka filtering process is halted for whatever reason, they have to throw away the spirit in the carbon filters because it will exceed the allowable Acetaldehyde concentration (about 3mg/litre). Taking a non-neutral spirit and running it through carbon will improve the flavour for sure.
so you are saying it is better to run it slowly say drip by drip through a funnel filled with active carbon/charcoal that is perhaps plugged at the end by say a cotton ball then to let the carbon sit in the distillate for a day or so or even the same amount of time it would have went through the funnel? because i do experience some spiky off taste when i let it sit on carbon a while and also thought either the carbon is not cleaned enough or it reacts badly with the alc and what about chill filtering does that only remove certain fusil oils and fatty esters etc while carbon does more? i had this shine i made using a left over cast from a banana mash after it was distilled which of course turns sour and i put sugar in it to make a tastier sugar wash(i was hoping) but i threw in some table cream into the mash half way through and i was not too happy with the smell and taste of the shine i made from that, i could def smell the funky creme and taste it in the shine, what i done was chill filter it at -10degc and boy did that drastically improve the aroma and taste coming out like a nicely fruity spiced flavored smooth vodka or rum and after a shot time resting in the bottle with head space it gets better n better on boht aroma and taste even the next day or a month or so down the road,, now i previously made a pure banana brandy no sugar in it very small yield but later it developed this astringent odor and taste i can only describe like the end of a sour banana peel tip, i tried the chill filtering but as i figured this odor and taste was not easy to get rid of although it slightly improved both it is still lingering there and not coming out sweet like i was hoping even at risk of loosing some banana flavor or smell(what little may have been there to begin with so do you think ac filtering will do the trick? or possibly some things can not be gotten rid of? and if it works should i let it sit on the coal or run it through funnel? but wont this Acetaldehyde eventually blow away with time?
HI, I want to learn distillation but I can go to the school, is there any book that explains it in detail and I can learn or if you teach online then I will be interested in joining the class.
You have to rinse out the new cartridges or you get lots of fine dust that tastes bad. 6+ coffee filters and siphon without agitation to transfer works well.
Great explaination , is the water you rinse charcoal pure, or filtered water from tap?this may have an effect if there are chemicals in your tap water.
I rinsed with tap water, but the horrible taste was definitely from the activated charcoal, someone else said to filter through the activated charcoal for 30min for the final polishing step
I know it is used in sugar washes to remove SO2. Personally I don't use it myself typically but have done. I find while it maybe remove unwanted esters etc I much prefer to carefully control the fermentation process and make tighter and more cleaner cuts. I find that the activated charcoal will take out too much flavour for my preferences and leave me with what to me tastes like a pharmaceutical/industrial grade ethanol I typically make double pot distilled whiskey's and brandy's over column and I reflux mainly sugar based washes.
Lots of valuable advice, thank you! I "need" as clean-tasting base alcohol as possible for making absinthe (nano-distillery). Never quite figured out how to use the activated charcoal. Instructions from the manufacturer do not cater for distillers, for obvious reasons... TY again.
You are welcome. I imagine with absinthe you may be able to get away with not having perfectly neutral spirit since absinthe has such a dominating flavour. This probably helps mask other flavours.
I've been binging your videos, and generally enjoying them. One thing I need to point out though... there is plenty of scientific info online regarding filtering spirit with activated carbon. One thing all the papers I've read have in common is the ABV must not exceed 50% for the filtering to be effective. This one fact makes me wonder how placing carbon in the vapour path in the still column can filter the spirit at all, as the vapour would be higher than 50% ABV in most situations, except nearing the latter half of a pot still run perhaps. There is also a lot of misinformation regarding cleaning activated carbon and reusing it, as to clean the carbon properly requires a 500-degree Celsius oven with an oxygen free environment. Not something many home distillers have in their brew shed 🙂
i usually boil mine and rinse it and repeat 4 times then dry in oven, seems to remove most of the funkyness and reactivates it because it bubbles up like brand new when re using it
Hello, im from India and thanks for posting a much needed video. I tried what you suggested but adding cleaned and soaked charcoal is imparting a black color to my fermentef hard seltzer. Do you have any trick to not to have black color imparted and at the same time remove aromas and hazy color from fermented hard seltzer. Thanks
Hey sorry for me late reply. I would not add the activated charcoal to the seltzer (carbonated water) directly. I would filter the spirit (alcohol) component through the activated charcoal, and then add in the seltzer and other flavourings.
@@MissBrewbird I do know that some 'turbo' use it when pushing the ABV. Better to make a kale sugar wash at 10% max - it is very clean and the 18-year-old me would have partied with it 50 years ago had I known.
@@MissBrewbird huh by putting it in the pot still along with the mash or the distillate low wine im not sure it would work because as the liquid heats up it stops the carbon from adsorbing but reverses the effect and cleans the coal instead as if it was being boiled to clean it no?
I have never heard of putting a charcoal basket in the still, have you tried it, Have you seen it or is it theoretical? I usually make vodka from my brandy feints and this trick sounds like it will save me a whole process. How far up the column do you suggest putting the charcoal?
We used to do this in a distillery I worked at. We took aquarium grade activated charcoal and put it in the baskets of our still. We put it pretty high up, closer to the condenser. You can see how we did it at the distillery here: th-cam.com/video/Ir1kFe0hrss/w-d-xo.html
After watching your video I did try activated charcoal for one of my gins and it did indeed mellow out the taste. The original flavour was too citrusy. I purchased the activated charcoal from a reverse osmosis/water purifying shop and it works like a charm. Mellowed out the flavour and brought down the ABV from 45% to 40%.
@@ARCSTREAMS I don't agree with your response. It is a well-documented fact that there is a drop in ABV when treating with activated charcoal anything between 3% - 5%.
@@genevievecampbell6996 never heard of such thing, only way abv would drop is if the ac somehow contributed water into the distillate, dry used ac will not do that, otherwise show me this documented fact
@@genevievecampbell6996 as i said either your ac was soaked with water when you used it perhaps after you washed it,,otherwise the only other way this is a possibility is if the ac is only absorbing pure alc from the distillate and not water too, from my understanding this does not happen, if you got 45% distillate and you add ac it will adsorb same larger molecules of bad flavor etc which will be some portion of the 45% alc and water and the rest remains 45%, it is like you taking a small sip from an ounce cup, the volume will be reduced in the cup but not the abv
In college we used to make a shot that we called the machine. It was pretty simple, in a small rocks glass add your favorite powdered juice ,or if you have money real juice then very slowly using a paper towel pour gorgi vodka just on top , of course you can use a coffee filter and greygoose if you're rich . AND THEN you drink it down floating the alcohol on the top so it doesn't come in contact with your tongue, hence you don't taste any alcohol because it bypasses the tongue 😂 we were alcoholics 😢 but we had fun😂😅
Activated carbon usually works best at low temperatures, so cleaning the steam in a still makes no sense. Additionally, the lower the alcohol concentration, the better, usually 40%-50% is recommended. I plan to do a test by diluting the distillate to 30%, leaving it with activated carbon for a week, then distilling it again to increase the concentration.
Hi! Activated charcoal is "dirty" if you take it directly from "store". You must wash out all acids/ oils e.t.c. I recommend to use first distillation fraction to clean out all garbage from store byed charcoal then recook it in jar on electric/ gas stove (slow flame - long time - about 30 minutes - temperature will rise to +300 Celsius and all very nasty smells will wanish) and then you are safe to use your super clean filtered vodka. Cheers! 🥂
@@MrDavesbox1 AC you buy from store. If this AC is not for fish tanks (this type is washed after factory and is more expensive) - it is for use in water containers. If you use it for vodka cleaning, than you must "wash away" oils/ acids from it, if not, your first filtration makes white residue in spirit. Of course you can drink it, but your vodka will be cloudy. Every AC is recycled if we cook it in jar/ cattle at +300C. You don`t need to throw it away. Be Happy! 🥂
@@Ansis99 he is saying it is dangerous to cook alc soaked coal,, but obviously it is either washed or diluted with enough water in the boiling pot with no worries of flammable danger
@@ARCSTREAMS Is there people who don't know - alcohol burns? I remember one super stupid women who dry out her dog in microwave oven... I know - stupidity is in DNA. I am not stupid. Because of my mind - I spend a lot of time researching things. I read scientific papers about chemicals for example. I know how it works. Activated charcoal is reset by heating. All garbage evaporates out at +300 degree Celsius. It is a fact! P.S. In home brewing/ distilling - we must use chemicals to make our moonshine "clean". Very many peoples poison themselves. Why? Because they are not listening to themselves. If we drink "shit moonshine" out body reacts - head/ stomach/ livers/ blood pH etc. starts to change and very many dye. Activated charcoal must be involved in our "cleaning routine" always (I use 3 stage cleaning with chemicals/ evaporations) to get a maximally clean product. I have a very small setup now. Old - bigger was made from copper which is poisonous metal. Ideally we must use a glass setup, but it is pricey. All this "moonshine" homemade business is dangerous. This is it. Be Happy! 🍻
I have a question can people eat charcoal and coal dust or is it harmful to their body the woman eats a bowl 🥣 of coal dust could you leave me a message
The long process of dripping through a column of charcoal appears to be the go to thing for the vodkas. This was very interesting, my first thought was "uh oh, not paper..." that would be another thing to remove from the experiment, the filter paper
You need to use activated stone carbon,aquarium charcoal is not good for filtering. Just to save time on this subject George Duncan @ Barley and hops has a video on the subject and so does Cyrus @Still in the clear. I use the same technique to filter my vodka and sugar shine but my filter tube is designed a little different from theirs. For easier cleaning after use. Hope this is helpful and Have a beautiful day and a lovely star lit night.
yeah i too was also thinking about lava rock type or rock coal like the kind used to heat homes in the old days would possibly work and be a better cleaner choice but where to find that? pet shops?
An avid ameteur ichtheologist and knowing a fish's extreme sensitivity to toxins, my prefered choice of a convenient source of very, very clean activated charcoal is the local aquarium shop. A kilo at a time is perfect for my applications.
Yes best to wash the activated charcoal with distilled water before use. There are impurities in activated coal. To get the most out of your activated charcoal. Filter it ice cold. The coal can absorb much more this way do not use it inline with steam. If using for finishing, a very fine and thick paper particulate filter should be used. Not a coffee filter. Though this can be used as a cost effective pre filter. Also to get the most out of your activated charcoal, use it in stages. Finishing with new charcoals and starting with used charcoals. The activated coal with be less effective after absorption of impurities as it reaches its saturation point. At this point it may leach impurities into your product. Which fully depends on how much impurities you have at your starting point. Colder coals have a higher saturation point
you saying colder water will make coal adsorb more and clean it out? then how do you get rid of what it adsorbed? otherwise what do you mean by "Filter it ice cold'? "do not use it inline with steam."? and what are these stages you referring to? for me i use cosmetic cotton ball instead of any paper filters which take way too long to drip through, a small piece of the cotton ball at the end of a funnel makes my shine come out industry grade crystal clear and when i add some ac into the funnel even better specially for when i do chill filtering which works much better that coal filtering and faster
Hi,..I live in Asia and my first thought was that the carbon has been recycled/ reactivated and may have been from an aqauarium in its first life ...lol They even recycle used cooking oil here... they sell in the market cheap and people cook with it again, not good.
@@MissBrewbird Just came across an interesting tip from an old manual... some say to boil the activated carbon first to de-gass the air out of it. Probably has nothing to do with the flavour but I thought that was interesting tip..
@@humanearthlingthing yes boiling recleans or recycles/re activates it and does get rid of the bad crapp, i do it and rinse several times then oven dry for my fine britta ac i pull out of used cartridges, too bad i cant put them back in the cartridge and save lot of money but i use it for my shine if needed
Nice one Brewbird. I stopped using it for exactly the experiance you had. Makes great drinking water though, go figure. Got a possible thing for you. Un-fermented sugars in molasses, mainly feed grade. How to get better yeild? There must be a way. Alph Amalayse and Beta Amalays did not do much for me unless I am doing it wrong and there is a temp they work at I missed.
You probably needed to siphon the vodka off the charcoal layer, let gravity pull out any particulates in the second container for a few days, and siphoned again before tasting.
Yes, that's EXACTLY what you need to do. The bad taste is from the fines of the carbon...siphon without disturbing the liquid then filter, if you just have coffee filters- don't be afraid to use 6 - 8 of them together as 1 or 2 won't do it.
@@iam1smiley1 8 coffee filters??? lmao she will be 80 by time it all comes out,, all she needs is a cotton ball ,comes out crystal clear ,also siphoning will do nothing, she will still get the fine particles through the siphon,,funnel and a small piece of cotton ball in the end of the tube is all you need, i had ink colored shine due to using fine grated charcoal come out crystal clear the other end even large amounts of certain dyes or colorings will be held back and the cotton keeps clearing it up each time
Hello. Coal absorbs smoke while it is produced, so raw coal has a bad taste. To remove it, you should boil it with distilled water, you should not leave it outdoors for a long time, this time it attracts odors and chemicals in the room and produces a bad taste again. .
yup i usually boil mine in tap water and rinse 4 times then in the oven to dry, although i might have to put the oven at max heat from now on to possibly help re activate it some more, also i should use distilled water for this like you said ,i also keep mine in a ziploc bag with as much air out
Miss Brewbird. This is a long awaited video about the technical aspects of distilling once again. Interesting and informative. Sorry, this experiment wasn't successful. Hopefully not for too long, another video about the technology in improving spirit distilling that the commercial distillers would not reveal. Keep it up and look forward for another interesting video.
You need to use active stone carbon and 0.3 to 0.5mm size grains to get the best results, and wash it well with tap water and I use R.O. (Reverse Osmosis) water in the final rinse. You can pick up R.O. water at any aquarium it's very inexpensive and totally free of the crap found in normal tap water. Don't even entertain the idea of using aquarium charcoal to polish your moonshine, that is unless you have acquired a penchant for cats piss.
I only do wash Liquor and whiskey essence and I am up to run 7. My first run was total disaster.. learning Curve ~ LOL But Now I run my distill thru charcoal 5-6 times and separate charcoal filter lots ~ Brilliant results ~
Wow that is a lot of distillation runs! I have never had to do so many for a product, I guess the next step is figuring out how to decrease the number of your runs.
I've actually used fish tank charcoal before for distilling, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue. Will have to give it another go with some different charcoal.
I have successfully used activated charcoal to make smoother spirits. The methods I listed are all valid and are commonly used to clean up spirits. Just because it didn't work in the one instance I was filming doesn't mean it never works.
Very informative, Brewbird. You don’t edit out unexpected results, that impresses me, most people are not that honest. Thank you and thanks for the good vibes.
Congratulations on passing 8,000 subs and 400,000 views!
Sending you back some good vibes too!
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I love how in depth she goes. I always learn a lot from her videos.
I appreciate that!💙
Very in depth informative video ,alway start with explaining terms and theories behind and followed by practical activities or demonstration,👍
You need to use finishing carbon, which is much finer. you also need to wash and rinse it first. soak it in the spirit for a day or two. You should see bubbles coming up out of it. Then filter it through coffee filters with the activated carbon in the filter. That stuff you used looks like aquarium charcoal to me.
thanks will give it a go
@@MissBrewbird did you try and see the difference?
Hi Kristie, good to see you posting more videos. I believe the kind of charcoal is important. The Sugar Maple charcoal is the one used here in several distilleries in Tennessee. Also, the liquid flowing though the charcoal is what actually maximize the adsorbing effect. Usually that is how it happens on the mellowing vessels. Thanks again for the amazing videos. :)
This is a superb video on activated charcoal! The best on youtube. I came here to find out how it works, and this is just what I was looking for.
Thank you for the video, hope you were able to redistill bad batch with a better grade activated charcoal.
It does wonders for fish tanks and ponds. Great video, cheers my friend.
Yes it does!
Very nice. The best thing that I've used has been a ZeroWater filter pitcher.
me too....zero filters clean my whiskey up nice.
I was at Jack Daniels a few years back and they get wood from local farmers and have an expert burn the wood and they drip it through.
That'd be cool to visit Jack Daniels. I think I read online that they use sugar maple trees for their activated charcoal.
@@MissBrewbird Hi, it's Austin, Yes they use sugar maple for their activated charcoal. That would be a great place for you to visit and show us 😊
yes but do they not have to wash it before using it to get rid of those bad tasting wood oils? also it is not active coal but i understand it still imparts a flavor profile or does something different than polishing like ac does right? if you could go over my query thanks
In my own experience, the reason of the bad taste of the spirit after you filtered it with charcoal is due to a poor washed of the charcoal, you have to washed it multiple time until the water is tasteless
hmm could be
what about boiling and rinsing several times?
Good work BB.
I would love your opinion on my method of charcoal filtering. I filled a five foot long white PVC 2" pipe with activated charcoal. Attached a half gallon reservoir at the top and a valve at the bottom with a bit of copper mesh at the top and bottom to hold charcoal in place. I first pour water through the charcoal since the charcoal does tend to absorb some alcohol. Then I pour my three gallon batch of one time distilled spirits through the charcoal three times. Then the spirits are ready for the second distillation through botanicals. After three batches, I roast the charcoal in a 350* F oven for an hour to dispel undesirables. This seems to work OK. What do you think?
Hi Robert, sorry for the late reply. From what I've read online, it say that to reactivate activated carbon (AC) the carbon must be heated to 600C or higher. Although, when I look at home distilling forums and other posts, people seem to be reactivating the carbon in their oven like you. I suppose baking in the oven would help reactivate the carbon to a degree. I would be curious to know what people would say in a blind taste test if you filtered the spirit through virgin AC versus AC that had been used several times and then reactivated. That would give a clearer indication of how successful this reactivation method is.
"I first pour water through the charcoal since the charcoal does tend to absorb some alcohol."
adsorb you mean and that is what it should be doing ,by diluting it with water you prevent it from doing its job besides some ppl put water in to get out the remaining alc, but i thought that remaining alc is bad,, so idk about any of these practises , typically i just let it sit on the coal and then boil rinse the coal several times then dry it in oven, perhaps i should make it max at 500 deg f from now on but if i had to do that for the longer pipe methode it would be to cumbersome a process
Your videos is very informative. Please make another videos on Silver and Platinum filter Process, how its work?
Hey brewbird
Try soaking the charcoal in some acidic liquid like lemon juice plus water . Soak it for at least 24 hours then rinse the charcoal ans let it dry. Now its ready to use . Thanks for your very useful informations .
Ooh thanks for the tip, I will give this a try
re: the taste - you may need to wash the dust off the cheap charcoal by soaking in good clean water first for a hour or two. Aquarium charcoal is rather low purity and has a lot of contaminants and is probably false economy.
It can be used to soak at the bottom of a stripped batch but the taste carries over when it's new. I find it more palateable when used once or twice rather than when new, similar to oak chips used in aging.
One conventient source of small amounts of good activated carbon is health capsules and I add 500-1000mg to a 20L fermenter at the end of the ferment a day or two I start to clear it. Used like this it can keep any yeasty tastes down especially if I don't have time to strip it as soon as it clears. Used like this it tends to float on the top as a just but stirring to degas the liquid just like when adding clearing agents distributes it through a little.
It makes everything a pain to clean though - beware :)
Thanks for the tips. I really like the one about the health capsule in the fermenter, that's pretty ingenious.😀
better yet boil it and rinse and repeat 3 to 4 times for new batch, i also do this to clean and recharge/recycle the coal to be used again , hmm i also thought about using it in a mash but not sure how that mash was gonna turn up so it would be perhaps premature,, but what do you mean by "a day or two I start to clear it. how do you do that? or did you mean to say it clears up o n its own meaning the mash settles and clears up faster with use of coal in it?
and what do you mean but this? " especially if I don't have time to strip it as soon as it clears."?
The ethyl alcohol reacts with O2 in the presence of carbon to produce Acetaldehyde and the longer it sit on carbon the more Acetaldehyde is produced. If you have a neutral spirit you are walking a fine line puting it on carbon. It requires a very short retention time to get the other carbon catalysed reactions that give vodka its unique flavour. In Russia, if the vodka filtering process is halted for whatever reason, they have to throw away the spirit in the carbon filters because it will exceed the allowable Acetaldehyde concentration (about 3mg/litre). Taking a non-neutral spirit and running it through carbon will improve the flavour for sure.
so you are saying it is better to run it slowly say drip by drip through a funnel filled with active carbon/charcoal that is perhaps plugged at the end by say a cotton ball then to let the carbon sit in the distillate for a day or so or even the same amount of time it would have went through the funnel?
because i do experience some spiky off taste when i let it sit on carbon a while and also thought either the carbon is not cleaned enough or it reacts badly with the alc
and what about chill filtering does that only remove certain fusil oils and fatty esters etc while carbon does more?
i had this shine i made using a left over cast from a banana mash after it was distilled which of course turns sour and i put sugar in it to make a tastier sugar wash(i was hoping) but i threw in some table cream into the mash half way through and i was not too happy with the smell and taste of the shine i made from that, i could def smell the funky creme and taste it in the shine, what i done was chill filter it at -10degc and boy did that drastically improve the aroma and taste coming out like a nicely fruity spiced flavored smooth vodka or rum and after a shot time resting in the bottle with head space it gets better n better on boht aroma and taste even the next day or a month or so down the road,,
now i previously made a pure banana brandy no sugar in it very small yield but later it developed this astringent odor and taste i can only describe like the end of a sour banana peel tip, i tried the chill filtering but as i figured this odor and taste was not easy to get rid of although it slightly improved both it is still lingering there and not coming out sweet like i was hoping even at risk of loosing some banana flavor or smell(what little may have been there to begin with so do you think ac filtering will do the trick? or possibly some things can not be gotten rid of? and if it works should i let it sit on the coal or run it through funnel?
but wont this Acetaldehyde eventually blow away with time?
did you dry it after rinsing before using on your shine?
HI, I want to learn distillation but I can go to the school, is there any book that explains it in detail and I can learn or if you teach online then I will be interested in joining the class.
Hi, I have an online distilling course. Here's the link to it: missbrewbird.thinkific.com/courses/basics-of-distilling-in-the-beverage-industry
How about running it through a Brita a couple times?
You have to rinse out the new cartridges or you get lots of fine dust that tastes bad. 6+ coffee filters and siphon without agitation to transfer works well.
@@iam1smiley1 ok thanks!
Great explaination , is the water you rinse charcoal pure, or filtered water from tap?this may have an effect if there are chemicals in your tap water.
I rinsed with tap water, but the horrible taste was definitely from the activated charcoal, someone else said to filter through the activated charcoal for 30min for the final polishing step
Any chances you use pet grade charcoal?
I know it is used in sugar washes to remove SO2. Personally I don't use it myself typically but have done. I find while it maybe remove unwanted esters etc I much prefer to carefully control the fermentation process and make tighter and more cleaner cuts. I find that the activated charcoal will take out too much flavour for my preferences and leave me with what to me tastes like a pharmaceutical/industrial grade ethanol
I typically make double pot distilled whiskey's and brandy's over column and I reflux mainly sugar based washes.
Lots of valuable advice, thank you! I "need" as clean-tasting base alcohol as possible for making absinthe (nano-distillery). Never quite figured out how to use the activated charcoal. Instructions from the manufacturer do not cater for distillers, for obvious reasons... TY again.
You are welcome. I imagine with absinthe you may be able to get away with not having perfectly neutral spirit since absinthe has such a dominating flavour. This probably helps mask other flavours.
I've been binging your videos, and generally enjoying them. One thing I need to point out though... there is plenty of scientific info online regarding filtering spirit with activated carbon. One thing all the papers I've read have in common is the ABV must not exceed 50% for the filtering to be effective. This one fact makes me wonder how placing carbon in the vapour path in the still column can filter the spirit at all, as the vapour would be higher than 50% ABV in most situations, except nearing the latter half of a pot still run perhaps. There is also a lot of misinformation regarding cleaning activated carbon and reusing it, as to clean the carbon properly requires a 500-degree Celsius oven with an oxygen free environment. Not something many home distillers have in their brew shed 🙂
i usually boil mine and rinse it and repeat 4 times then dry in oven, seems to remove most of the funkyness and reactivates it because it bubbles up like brand new when re using it
Hello, im from India and thanks for posting a much needed video. I tried what you suggested but adding cleaned and soaked charcoal is imparting a black color to my fermentef hard seltzer. Do you have any trick to not to have black color imparted and at the same time remove aromas and hazy color from fermented hard seltzer. Thanks
Hey sorry for me late reply. I would not add the activated charcoal to the seltzer (carbonated water) directly. I would filter the spirit (alcohol) component through the activated charcoal, and then add in the seltzer and other flavourings.
Nice video - saved me from aquarium grade carbon in a nice way. Appreciated.
You're welcome! Though I have used aquarium grade carbon during the distillation by putting it in the still, so it can still be used.
@@MissBrewbird I do know that some 'turbo' use it when pushing the ABV. Better to make a kale sugar wash at 10% max - it is very clean and the 18-year-old me would have partied with it 50 years ago had I known.
@@MissBrewbird huh by putting it in the pot still along with the mash or the distillate low wine im not sure it would work because as the liquid heats up it stops the carbon from adsorbing but reverses the effect and cleans the coal instead as if it was being boiled to clean it no?
I have never heard of putting a charcoal basket in the still, have you tried it, Have you seen it or is it theoretical?
I usually make vodka from my brandy feints and this trick sounds like it will save me a whole process.
How far up the column do you suggest putting the charcoal?
We used to do this in a distillery I worked at. We took aquarium grade activated charcoal and put it in the baskets of our still. We put it pretty high up, closer to the condenser. You can see how we did it at the distillery here: th-cam.com/video/Ir1kFe0hrss/w-d-xo.html
@MissBrewbird Thanks Brewbird for the reply and another excellent video
I'd go for food grade charcoal. Aquarium grade doesn't sound very food safe.
After watching your video I did try activated charcoal for one of my gins and it did indeed mellow out the taste. The original flavour was too citrusy. I purchased the activated charcoal from a reverse osmosis/water purifying shop and it works like a charm. Mellowed out the flavour and brought down the ABV from 45% to 40%.
ac does not lower abv
@@ARCSTREAMS I don't agree with your response. It is a well-documented fact that there is a drop in ABV when treating with activated charcoal anything between 3% - 5%.
@@genevievecampbell6996 never heard of such thing, only way abv would drop is if the ac somehow contributed water into the distillate, dry used ac will not do that, otherwise show me this documented fact
@@genevievecampbell6996 as i said either your ac was soaked with water when you used it perhaps after you washed it,,otherwise the only other way this is a possibility is if the ac is only absorbing pure alc from the distillate and not water too, from my understanding this does not happen, if you got 45% distillate and you add ac it will adsorb same larger molecules of bad flavor etc which will be some portion of the 45% alc and water and the rest remains 45%, it is like you taking a small sip from an ounce cup, the volume will be reduced in the cup but not the abv
In college we used to make a shot that we called the machine.
It was pretty simple, in a small rocks glass add your favorite powdered juice ,or if you have money real juice then very slowly using a paper towel pour gorgi vodka just on top , of course you can use a coffee filter and greygoose if you're rich .
AND THEN you drink it down floating the alcohol on the top so it doesn't come in contact with your tongue, hence you don't taste any alcohol because it bypasses the tongue 😂 we were alcoholics 😢 but we had fun😂😅
but it also removes nuanced smell and flavours that you may want to keep in your liquid
Activated carbon usually works best at low temperatures, so cleaning the steam in a still makes no sense. Additionally, the lower the alcohol concentration, the better, usually 40%-50% is recommended. I plan to do a test by diluting the distillate to 30%, leaving it with activated carbon for a week, then distilling it again to increase the concentration.
Let me know how the experiment goes.
Hi! Activated charcoal is "dirty" if you take it directly from "store". You must wash out all acids/ oils e.t.c. I recommend to use first distillation fraction to clean out all garbage from store byed charcoal then recook it in jar on electric/ gas stove (slow flame - long time - about 30 minutes - temperature will rise to +300 Celsius and all very nasty smells will wanish) and then you are safe to use your super clean filtered vodka. Cheers! 🥂
whaaaat? cook the charcoal with a fraction of distillate and heat on stove to 300 C??????
@@MrDavesbox1 AC you buy from store. If this AC is not for fish tanks (this type is washed after factory and is more expensive) - it is for use in water containers. If you use it for vodka cleaning, than you must "wash away" oils/ acids from it, if not, your first filtration makes white residue in spirit. Of course you can drink it, but your vodka will be cloudy. Every AC is recycled if we cook it in jar/ cattle at +300C. You don`t need to throw it away. Be Happy! 🥂
@@Ansis99 he is saying it is dangerous to cook alc soaked coal,, but obviously it is either washed or diluted with enough water in the boiling pot with no worries of flammable danger
@@ARCSTREAMS Is there people who don't know - alcohol burns? I remember one super stupid women who dry out her dog in microwave oven... I know - stupidity is in DNA. I am not stupid. Because of my mind - I spend a lot of time researching things. I read scientific papers about chemicals for example. I know how it works. Activated charcoal is reset by heating. All garbage evaporates out at +300 degree Celsius. It is a fact!
P.S. In home brewing/ distilling - we must use chemicals to make our moonshine "clean". Very many peoples poison themselves. Why? Because they are not listening to themselves. If we drink "shit moonshine" out body reacts - head/ stomach/ livers/ blood pH etc. starts to change and very many dye. Activated charcoal must be involved in our "cleaning routine" always (I use 3 stage cleaning with chemicals/ evaporations) to get a maximally clean product. I have a very small setup now. Old - bigger was made from copper which is poisonous metal. Ideally we must use a glass setup, but it is pricey. All this "moonshine" homemade business is dangerous. This is it. Be Happy! 🍻
I have a question can people eat charcoal and coal dust or is it harmful to their body the woman eats a bowl 🥣 of coal dust could you leave me a message
you never heard of ac pills then?
The long process of dripping through a column of charcoal appears to be the go to thing for the vodkas. This was very interesting, my first thought was "uh oh, not paper..." that would be another thing to remove from the experiment, the filter paper
You need to use activated stone carbon,aquarium charcoal is not good for filtering. Just to save time on this subject George Duncan @ Barley and hops has a video on the subject and so does Cyrus @Still in the clear. I use the same technique to filter my vodka and sugar shine but my filter tube is designed a little different from theirs. For easier cleaning after use. Hope this is helpful and Have a beautiful day and a lovely star lit night.
yeah i too was also thinking about lava rock type or rock coal like the kind used to heat homes in the old days would possibly work and be a better cleaner choice but where to find that? pet shops?
Try Willow Charcoal and boil it then dry it prior to use.
A zero filter works great
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Thank you!😊
An avid ameteur ichtheologist and knowing a fish's extreme sensitivity to toxins, my prefered choice of a convenient source of very, very clean activated charcoal is the local aquarium shop. A kilo at a time is perfect for my applications.
4.30 the video you asked for begins.
Yes best to wash the activated charcoal with distilled water before use. There are impurities in activated coal. To get the most out of your activated charcoal. Filter it ice cold. The coal can absorb much more this way do not use it inline with steam. If using for finishing, a very fine and thick paper particulate filter should be used. Not a coffee filter. Though this can be used as a cost effective pre filter. Also to get the most out of your activated charcoal, use it in stages. Finishing with new charcoals and starting with used charcoals. The activated coal with be less effective after absorption of impurities as it reaches its saturation point. At this point it may leach impurities into your product. Which fully depends on how much impurities you have at your starting point. Colder coals have a higher saturation point
you saying colder water will make coal adsorb more and clean it out? then how do you get rid of what it adsorbed? otherwise what do you mean by "Filter it ice cold'?
"do not use it inline with steam."?
and what are these stages you referring to?
for me i use cosmetic cotton ball instead of any paper filters which take way too long to drip through, a small piece of the cotton ball at the end of a funnel makes my shine come out industry grade crystal clear and when i add some ac into the funnel even better specially for when i do chill filtering which works much better that coal filtering and faster
Hi,..I live in Asia and my first thought was that the carbon has been recycled/ reactivated and may have been from an aqauarium in its first life ...lol
They even recycle used cooking oil here... they sell in the market cheap and people cook with it again, not good.
Interesting. I never imagined people would sell reactivated carbon and pass it off as a new product.
@@MissBrewbird Just came across an interesting tip from an old manual... some say to boil the activated carbon first to de-gass the air out of it. Probably has nothing to do with the flavour but I thought that was interesting tip..
ooh I will try that, someone else recommended I soak the charcoal in lemon juice
@@humanearthlingthing yes boiling recleans or recycles/re activates it and does get rid of the bad crapp, i do it and rinse several times then oven dry for my fine britta ac i pull out of used cartridges, too bad i cant put them back in the cartridge and save lot of money but i use it for my shine if needed
Nice one Brewbird. I stopped using it for exactly the experiance you had. Makes great drinking water though, go figure.
Got a possible thing for you. Un-fermented sugars in molasses, mainly feed grade. How to get better yeild? There must be a way. Alph Amalayse and Beta Amalays did not do much for me unless I am doing it wrong and there is a temp they work at I missed.
You probably needed to siphon the vodka off the charcoal layer, let gravity pull out any particulates in the second container for a few days, and siphoned again before tasting.
hmm maybe, it felt like the activated charcoal giving off flavours to the spirit though, so I'm inclined to think the charcoal itself was the issue.
Yes, that's EXACTLY what you need to do. The bad taste is from the fines of the carbon...siphon without disturbing the liquid then filter, if you just have coffee filters- don't be afraid to use 6 - 8 of them together as 1 or 2 won't do it.
@@iam1smiley1 8 coffee filters??? lmao she will be 80 by time it all comes out,, all she needs is a cotton ball ,comes out crystal clear ,also siphoning will do nothing, she will still get the fine particles through the siphon,,funnel and a small piece of cotton ball in the end of the tube is all you need, i had ink colored shine due to using fine grated charcoal come out crystal clear the other end even large amounts of certain dyes or colorings will be held back and the cotton keeps clearing it up each time
🐇🫙🍸 enjoyed the video. Informative. She's cute. I subscribed
Awesome! Thank you!😀
For one that is not the right size charcoal. Buy brewers it finner. cheers
Thanks, my friend just gave me some of his charcoal. I am going to try it again with his.
Maybe just use a cheap simple supermarket filter jug, run it thru 3 x
Megasite. Clean water essential.
Hello. Coal absorbs smoke while it is produced, so raw coal has a bad taste. To remove it, you should boil it with distilled water, you should not leave it outdoors for a long time, this time it attracts odors and chemicals in the room and produces a bad taste again. .
yup i usually boil mine in tap water and rinse 4 times then in the oven to dry, although i might have to put the oven at max heat from now on to possibly help re activate it some more, also i should use distilled water for this like you said ,i also keep mine in a ziploc bag with as much air out
Miss Brewbird. This is a long awaited video about the technical aspects of distilling once again. Interesting and informative. Sorry, this experiment wasn't successful. Hopefully not for too long, another video about the technology in improving spirit distilling that the commercial distillers would not reveal. Keep it up and look forward for another interesting video.
You need to use active stone carbon and 0.3 to 0.5mm size grains to get the best results, and wash it well with tap water and I use R.O. (Reverse Osmosis) water in the final rinse. You can pick up R.O. water at any aquarium it's very inexpensive and totally free of the crap found in normal tap water. Don't even entertain the idea of using aquarium charcoal to polish your moonshine, that is unless you have acquired a penchant for cats piss.
Hmm ok thanks for the tip.
distilled water buck a gallon
I only do wash Liquor and whiskey essence and I am up to run 7. My first run was total disaster.. learning Curve ~ LOL
But Now I run my distill thru charcoal 5-6 times and separate charcoal filter lots ~ Brilliant results ~
Wow that is a lot of distillation runs! I have never had to do so many for a product, I guess the next step is figuring out how to decrease the number of your runs.
You don't use carbon for a charcoal filter for a fish tank,gotta use the right spot of carbon ,get from ,home brew shops
I've actually used fish tank charcoal before for distilling, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue. Will have to give it another go with some different charcoal.
"Absorption is when a substance is absorbed". 8)
Video should be titled how NOT to if your experiment failed as it did.
I have successfully used activated charcoal to make smoother spirits. The methods I listed are all valid and are commonly used to clean up spirits. Just because it didn't work in the one instance I was filming doesn't mean it never works.
wrong Charcoal..
amateur