Ranboo talks about how a villain arc doesn't work for his character (Dream SMP)
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- I thought this was interesting to note for those who are interested in his character on the Dream SMP. Basically, Ranboo doesn't want to stigmatize certain topics related to mental health. He doesn't want to portray anything in his character that he hasn't personally experienced before.
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antagonists are also different than villains. villains are outright evil, antagonists just go against the protagonist's motivations.
Ok and?
@@bruhmoments4201 i was just pointing it out, a lot of people think they are the same thing :-)
@@officesys355 they aren’t
@@bruhmoments4201 Which is what he explained. What are you on about?
@@menacingmoonsquid because there’s no reason for his to explain it
can we get a therapy arc pog
yes, they need it ;-; AGSHAH. I'd love for them to make a skit about things like that after the entire conflict "finished". Either them as an "actor" talking to a therapist (which could lead to a review of their own stories) or the characters themselves being chill and just seeking for any sanity left...
we need some mysterious person who isn't really part of the plot to come in and become a therapist in a forest or sm
(If they want to take that role ofc)
headcannons in the replys ! remeber that comunication building from the beginning seoson? lets bring that back.
@@kinawa2845 the actor au is a thing i think
Sure what flavor
He is incredibly correct couldn’t agree more
I mean take a look at technoblades arc so far since he joined the smp
@A little bit of Everything I don’t get what you mean
Heck, it has 777 likes and I don't want to ruin it
He really is. I think, traumatic events can spark the shift of a character, but he is on point about how “overnight changes” make zero sense from a story telling perspective
The man be giving character advice
Wilbur pulled off a villain arc well because he built it slowly over months, and showed a slow fall into paranoia and rage over a thousand tiny incidents, eventually driving himself to suicide. Characters randomly breaking doesn't make sense
Yeah this is probably why I dislike the idea of every L'manbergian to have a villian arc. It annoys me a bit whenever people just spam Villian arc whenever a character is doing something slightly out of element. I think villian arcs are cool but they don't need to be applied to every character who has changed a bit or was somewhat hurt. Tommy and Tubbo having a villian arc seem cool on paper but their characters are kids trying to avoid becoming like the adults and as long as they have each other to to snap them back to their senses. Fundy makes sense since he never really wins no matter what side hes on...he always gets pushed around. Niki has always been ignored and talked over so it would make sense plus we've already seen her fighting spirit against Manburg. Though I think Niki and Fundy's villian arc will be cut short as they face Alivebur. Also they don't really have any villanious things to do ...maybe intimidate a few people and steal but everyone on the server has probably done that at one point. The most villianous thing they could do would be to help Dream but who knows I don't know their characters as well as they do.
I normally dont pay attention to chat too much, i mean like, what the point if i’m gonna be honest so i dont mind the spamming of “VILLAIN ARC” in the chat but i get where you’re coming from.
I haven’t seen tubbo and tommy going through a villain arc (unless tommy’s one was basically swapping side for the entirety of the last few recent events) so not too sure about that one.
Fundy’s villain arc to me, just is a bit of an over exaggeration. Like he became a villain overnight. Quite literally. I get the reasoning, and it’s there, it’s solid, and it explains why he’s going through a villain arc. But it’s flawed. If Fundy is continuously being left by close people, and continuously feels betrayed or pressured, it makes a good reason for Fundy to realise that the people he hangs around with aren’t so great and might make him question who is actually there for him and stuff. But in my opinion, this is a kinda shit reason to go through a villain arc overnight. In such a short span of time too.
Niki, her villain arc also pretty questionable in terms of ‘why?’. She has been ignored by everyone and talked over like you said, however the villain arc, it just doesn’t suit the character she has displayed so far. Niki’s character is naturally quiet so i dont think it should bother her too much that she’s being talked over cause she’s just gotten used to it? (I dont watch from niki’s POV too much so idk ). I think it could work if she built it over time, at first realising that no one ever listens to her, and carrying on from there but she turned straight to a villain arc in, like, less than 20 minutes. When she was questioning Ranboo if it would be good to actually help L’manburg be safe, which honestly, would’ve been a pretty good, subtle start to the arc but then goes ahead and commits arson as L’manburg is blowing up...
With Niki though, i agree, i feel like hers and Fundy’s will be cut short. Would’ve been cut either way if she turned to a villain in a span of 15 minutes or in a span of 1-3 weeks. I’m not too sure what’s happening with Fundy now.
Another point, Yes. They wouldn’t have much to do as they go through a villain arc now, just as a major event happened and ended and probably nothing too big happening within a maybe for the rest of the week? Idk, the streams are unpredictable sometimes.
(Literally, ranting about people in a block game and their characters are so fun)
Wow, that’s long... congrats if you read every word there. It’s currently 2am here and i have nothing better to than to go onto youtube. 😅
Anywho, although i just wrote a mini essay on the villain arcs of the Dream SMP, i do like the idea of niki’s arc in particular because i feel like it may bring more attention and interesting plot content for her but with nothing much to do, again, might not work out as many people want it.
Fundy’s arc, i think may lead somewhere in footsteps of wilbur? Saying this however, wouldv’e put my past argument on Fundy’s arc pushed to the side. Now that i think about it, a lot of villain arcs could work really well if brought in over time, including his. It could also involve the fact that wilbur might come back alive but there’s also something to do with schlatt as part of wilbur? Coincidentally, both of those people were previously in the lives of Fundy, both left him in one way or another, both are not in the land of living. Both probably tramatised Fundy an dthat could play in a future event with his arc.
And just wrote another 2 paragraphs... way too much time on my hands... then again, it’s 2am so i dont rly need to do anything at this time.
@@shroom9476 People thought Dream was making Tommy into a villain since he was manipulating and isolating him from everyone he loves. He made Tommy think that no one loved him, which did set up a good villain arc until he went too far and Tommy fought back so I don't think it will ever be possible to have a Tommy villain arc since he always has some pride and dignity no matter what but we came very close.
Also with the Niki thing, Niki has mentioned on her streams that she feels left out and forgotten about a lot by the others so tbh those feelings have been bubbling up for a long time. So them accepting Tommy back and fighting for L'manburg must have been what pushed her over the edge. But you are right that she does need some more time building it up.
Also I think Fundys slowly going to turn into his father especially with the way he's going crazy now.
YES
Wilburs turn was also more of an Insanity Arc rather than a villain arc. People constantly spamming “VILLAIN ARC” every time a character slightly hurt just makes no sense. For example, Tommy going through a villian arc is just so out-of character that it might as well ruin the whole show. There’s no build up, and it just goes against all of his morals since the beginning. When Wilbur went insane, he remained good. When Tubbo exiled him, he’d rather die than become the villain.
@@xraye_ ohh, okay thanks for clearing up tommy's :)
This is why we got a depressed arc for Tommy instead of a villian arc.
Ranboo:So I dont really like villain arcs because-
Me: *vibing to the undertale background music*
Ranboos stream music is so good 100% of the time tbh
Let me join you
Undertale boss music is the best
Same
Same, undertale music is pogchamp
This commented aged really well in the one day its existed for
ranboo: accurately depicts what its like to have a panic attack in a way that's a lot like how i act when i have a panic attack with the self soothers and repetition and ticks and everything.
fandom: crazy spycho axe weilding murder arc??? vilan arc????
ableism is real , mental illnes isn't a horror story telling device its a real thing. it hurts to see people look at my behavior in media and openly describe it as "spychokier" behavior. it hurts.
Yes, but he isn’t all that realistic. He is the protagonist of a psychological thriller in the server, with him not knowing if he did or didn’t do many actions and not being able to trust his own mind.
Far from a villain or a psycho but definetely there is the chance that he isn’t in full control of his actions
@@turma8eac Someone who literally has the disorder just said its pretty realistic to their experience dude :/ And they didn't say that Ranboo's is defo in control of his actions, but that saying that having a panic attack = villain arc is wrong because lots of non-villain people (like OP) have panic attacks. I personally think Ranboo is more than likely going to be more easily manipulated, because people with mental health issues are more likely to be hurt than do the hurting irl.
I think chat just wants more murder and blood more often
@@allensullera1565 If you want murder and blood, you know whose POV to watch.
@@pawncube6787 only if that man streams more often 😞
Alternative title: Ranboo disses Niki and Fundy’s character for almost 8 minutes
I'm gonna be completely honest their actions on the actual l'manburg finale literally impacted no other characters and the villain arc is confusing who will they go after? Why go after people if the 1 thing they cared for is gone? They have nothing to lose or gain I am so confused the only thing I understand is the motive
@@aoifecampbell6715 yeah no I totally agree, the only time their actions actually affected people was when niki burnt down the tree, but even then I don’t think anyone really cared to much cause their entire country had just blown up, maybe if she did it after l’manburg was blown up, and everyone still had an ounce of hope because the tree was still their then that would make a little more sense, but even then the only thing writing on why she did it is because she missed Wil and got taxed by Schlatt. I still think she can be a good character, but I think her character just sorta did everything at once instead of expanding on the villain arc more
@Rome invicta completely agree if they wanted to become involved in the plot they could've made allies with Tommy and Tubbo or something
@Rome invicta no one finds a furry threatening
Niki and Fundy going insane during the L'Manberg end seemed a little out of left field but like, I sorta understood? Niki was pushed around by literally everyone and Fundy had a lot of trauma with his father and L'Manberg. The execution was just really bad.
But Im all for comedically-cartoon-ish-team-rocket-style-villain arc with Niki and Jack, yes pls
Heres my example when tommy's character was exiled he could've gone fuck em all i am killing them all villain arc lets go BUT he didn't and instead had a really well acted out I don't like calling it a depression arc but thats pretty much what it was. It made way more sense cus thats how most humans react to bad situations.
right? and it's much more inspiring for someone to realize he's being manipulated and forgive his friends and try to be good again. Everyone spamming villainINNIT was so annoying
This is my issue with Fundy and niki atm, I LOVE THIS FOR THEM, to be more in the storyline I hope, and some progress w Fundy and possibly alivebur confrontation w his issues? BUT it's definitely too sudden, lacking build up.
I can def see them doing the SNAP that they did and losing it, bt there wasnt enough substance even to that
I felt Fundy's had proper build up. Definitely not Niki though but I excused that as her not having screentime at all :,)
i think fundy had proper build up for his character since he was literally in almost all of the important events (same as niki), but with niki's, it feels like she's just there. i feel bad because she's not shown as much even though she streams there, but i love her and i hope her villain arc would come out awesome!
Nikki has been pushed around and betrayed by pretty much everyone. Fundy makes sense.
I feel like Fundy can "make it" just because of the resurrection of alivebur. Because it'll make him go back to the point of his life when he's still a son of someone he opposed with (with schlatt, eret). He would somehow made it seem like he's a "spy", but truthfully like ranboo said he was just afraid to lose. BUT this is from what I understand of his story, I don't watch him religiously like I watch Techno so if another would tell me his bg story then I'd gladly review my analysis. Unfortunately for Niki, I can't bcs I don't watch her. But it seems it'd be fitting for her to be this VERY pessimistic character, I feel like everybody is too "fired up" if that make sense (The "KILL DREAMM" thing). I read it somewhere (so this is based on that comment) that even though she was a "spy" like fundy, she didn't do anything significant, she can not do anything, she's.. not important for others IN THE WAR. Uh, how to say it.. Y'know when you feel like your doings weren't important to the team. Then it led to everyone neglecting her, ignoring her, especially since after her rant about liars. She felt like those who she cared didn't care for her, they all so focused on this goddamned nation.. thus l'mantree go bye². AGAIN, this is just my pov from reading essays of Niki (the character) "feelings".
I feel like there villain arc doesn't make sense to me rn cause it was very sudden but if written well could be really fun to watch. BUT wtf are they gonna do they don't have good armour or weapons and if they did theres nothing left threaten that actually is of high value to people that they could get their hands on. Also if the good guys keep having villain arcs it would become repetitive and boring SO IDK not here for the villain arcs unless they have good build up like ranboo said.
I feel like everyone on the SMP is getting a villain arc now, and it's getting kinda old since everyone is a villain now.
I think the heroes right now and the positive believers are the special ones now since there's less of them now.
Ok but imagine that in the end, Dream is seen as more of a hero that anyone else (Dream gets a somewhat redemption arc whilst everyone else falls into a villian arc). That would make a good twist.
@@vronji OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG CAN YOU READ MY MIND THAT'S WHAT I SOOO WANT THAT'S ANOTHER OF MY THEORIES
(I'm a Dream apologist btw)
@@annaz8672 My theory stems from Ranboo. Dreams past motives are really similar to Ranboos motives right now. Dream wanted the whole server to be one happy family, kinda like what Techno, Phil, and Ranboo are doing in the arctic right now. Ranboos motives is just to have no sides, where he could be friends with whoever without any concequences. Dream just got corrupted with his motives and eventually just abandoned his goal. Ranboo, though, is still going up strong with that goal, and Dream might 1. Get inspired by Ranboo and get reformed, 2. Team up with Ranboo and eventually get reformed that way, 3. A Ying-yang situation happens and Ranboo eventually falls into a villian arc and naturally Dream rises into a redemption arc, or 4. Ranboo has nothing to do with it, Dream just finds a way to be redeemed without the use of Ranboo.
TL; DR. Dream can be redeemed yay
@@vronji Same, I totally agree! I also believe he was corrupted, and another reason might also be because everyone always saw him as the villain, and when he tried to be "good", he was always shot down. So he decided that he would just be what everyone thinks of him.
(another theory is that maybe when Tubbo and Fundy did the Dreamon ritual, they unlocked Nightmare in him and it's actually not Dream rn; it's his counterpart Nightmare since Dream isn't originally as malicious as that. Just like how you said Dream wanted unity and peace in the beginning.)
THE MAN IS SAYING WHAT IVE BEEN THINKING FOR WEEKS AT LAST YES
I'm glad he talked about how media can add to the stigma around mental illness. For example, people love to make villains or even their personal OC's "insane" and often slap some label on them like that they're "shizophrenic". Then they proceed to completely misrepresent and/or degrade people who actually have said mental illness. Maybe they don't know the harm that they're doing, but that's why we need people like Ranboo to talk about these things.
ranboo is very respectfu to nerodivergat people. he openly said he does not ike the ran and boo multiple personality thing, because he does not want to misrepresent D.I.D for a silly video game roleplay, that does not stop yall from drawing fan art and "split personality au" content because you "think is a cool theme to play with". it is not. stop it.
I agree! It's pretty disheartening to see how much D.I.D has been stigmatized due to how it has been portrayed in popular media like movies. So when Ranboo said that he wasn't doing that with his character, I was very relieved.
@@Axsomaniac Unfortunately, having "voices" or "another entity" in your head can still be interpreted as the character having D.I.D. If one voice/entity is bad and one is good, then that does lead to the stigmatization of D.I.D, which Ranboo wants to avoid. Having voices in your head does not make you a bad or evil person. It's just their way of dealing with trauma.
Like Ranboo said in this video, his character has an inner monologue/ thought process. His short-term memory issues cause him to doubt himself because he can't remember everything he has done.
Def appreciate his take on it. The good/evil DID thing is so overdone (as a possible OSDD system)
Wait I know everyone is talking about D.I.D but what is that? I’ve heard it before but I don’t remember what is it
@@BreadareRolls D.I.D stands for Dissociative Identity Disorder, previously known as Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). D.I.D is a disorder characterised by the presence of two or more distinct personality states. It's usually used by the brain as a coping mechanism to help avoid bad memories from trauma (adverse childhood experiences).
If you're still interested in learning more about it, then I know a couple of good TH-camrs such as DissociaDID and
MultiplicityAndMe who actually have D.I.D. Their videos can explain it a lot better than me due to their experiences with having it.
I mean I can’t speak for someone with ranboos character level of memory loss, but as someone with disorders that cause my memory to be patchy and unreliable, I think Ranboo’s portrayal of memory less is very well done. Especially how he acting when loosing the memory book. The spiral of panic and talking to yourself in the third person, having a literal panic attack, even down to small things like repeating phrases and words repeatedly, as well as delusions of the world or someone moving something or changing something (although in his case it was real, Dream had actually taken his book) was very well done and scary to see because it was a mirror image of my own reactions in such a situation.
I really have to agree here! There have been a lot of Dream SMP villain arcs, but I’ve gotta say my favorites were probably the ones that had a lot of build-up and definitive character motivations.
Wilbur’s was just absolutely incredible. I really liked how his villain arc wasn’t a quick switch, it took nearly a month of build-up where you could see him slowly losing his composure and becoming a different person. And his motivations made sense, and it was just really cool to watch. I definitely agree with Ranboo that Wilbur’s character arc was good because it had a lot of buildup, and it is undoubtedly my favorite character arc in the entire series (so far).
I feel like Quackity’s also makes a decent amount of sense as well. There was definitive buildup in his character arc, starting all the way back when he joined. He slowly grew to want power for himself, and to hate absolutely anybody that tried to control or force tyranny on him. He was manipulated by tyrants, and had the power that he wanted dangled in front of him. He grew to want to take anybody that tried to control him down, and went from violent to diplomatic in his arc. I really, really like the buildup there.
I am kind of on the fence with Fundy and Niki at the moment. I feel like Fundy had a lot of reasons for a villain arc, but I didn’t necessarily see a lot of build-up in his decision to go full villain. But I also understand that there was an element of finally snapping, and insanity there. It makes sense for him to become a villain, I just kind of wished that they had shown any sign of villainous intent as a way to build up how final snap. He didn’t really show any signs of this insanity or this need for revenge, so it ended up kind of seeming like it was out of nowhere.
With Niki, I feel like it’s about the same reason. I also understand, however, that she didn’t get a lot of screen time. But anyways, she definitely had reasons to want to turn villain, but she never really showed any signs of villainous intent until the day of the festival.
(I’m not including Tommy and Tubbo because they didn’t really go through villain arcs, they got on the edge of a possible villain arc before deciding to fight for what they thought was good and deal with their suffering in a normal way, which I feel like is such a good writing decision to make!)
This isn’t a callout to anyone on the SMP, and I really do think it’s a great story with great characters, and I’d love to see how characters like Fundy and Niki go with their upcoming arcs!
Yeah, maybe if there was more screentime for other characters they'd seem more natural.
I remember when everyone was spamming Tommy’s chat with “Villaininnit” expecting him to be a villain and I was sat there hoping he didn’t listen to what they were saying.
@@cortyq3960 I think Tommy said he didn’t want to do a villain arc anyways lol
@@exoticcats6119 Yeah, he did say that, no one in his chat listened to him though.
Tommy in his recklessness kinda xdoes evil things like betrayieng the only person that was on his side while he was exiled
I'm actually really glad that he thinks this way. one or two well executed villain arcs in the whole plot, like wilbur's, (which works because its paired with an insanity arc and is a gradual descent instead of waking up evil) is fine, but not every single person who has trauma has to become a villain, and I really like ranboo's character just how he is, so for me it would be a shame if he abandoned that in favor of being a villain. I think that thr fandom is too fixated on wanting every character to be evil (ive seen people wanting a quackity villain arc, a Tommy villain arc, a tubbo villain arc, a Niki villain arc, you name it) but we should just appreciate the characters for what they are
If he was a a villian he would probably forget that he is a villian
Lmao
You mean to tell me he does not do this already?
WELL BUDDY DO WE HAVE SOME NEWS FOR YOU LMAO
I respect him so much for making an effort to portray things correctly to decrease stigmatization. Ranboo is great, and his character is quickly becoming one of my favorites in the entire story. I'm really excited to see where his character goes from here!
Some people have watched a bit too much Dark Knight.
*"one bad day"* _-Clownboy_
Ranboo is the Realist movement to Wilbur's romanticism.
this fandom uses the phrase "villain arc" too much /nm
I want a Ranboo villain arc, but I do understand what he's saying and I respect his decision. It would be cool but we've already got enough villains I think lol
Yea same, it probably won’t happen and it wouldn’t make sense but it would be interesting to imagine Ranboo be a villain
@@galuxistar1615 yeah I do agree on that
We should deal with dream for now
@@foggyforest2625 agreed lol
@@foggyforest2625 What about potential Dream and Ranboo villian arc? Dream and Ranboos motives are unexpectedly similar. Dream wants the entire server to be a family (formerly, at least) and L'manberg is just a few children trying to break off from the main family, which Dream didn't want. Ranboo wants the entire server to get along, and doesn't want to pick sides, and he realizes that half of his family is on 2 side and the other half of his family is on another. The only difference is that Dream chose to destroy L'manberg by blowing it up and causing chaos, while Ranboo takes a more pacifist route with it in attempting to talk people out of it.
Literally just occurred to me, everyone wanted to be on the good side when this started and now everyone wants to be a villain.
I’ve always just hoped that everyone spamming “villain arc” in the chat was doing it for the meme. Like the whole “canon death” thing. It’s so overused and ridiculous, especially when the Dream SMP has moved away from black and white writing and towards multilayered conflicts where you can see the perspective of every character.
The only thing I could see happening with Ranboo that is an interesting and fresh arc is that for some reason the people he thinks are his friends start acting different around him and he starts documenting stuff like that to remember. And after a while Ranboo would start to get scared of his "friends" and go into self exile only for his condition of talking to himself and bad memory turn into him starting to think others will probably go and hunt him down and he starts to sabotage things. It wouldn't make Ranboo a villain but more of a victim of himself and the situation.
Also why does Fundy hate Wilbur? Like before the elections and before Wilbur went insane during exile.
Sorry if this seems like the dumbest question on earth lol.
@@Alex-xc8bi because he is Wilbur's son, Wilbur never appreciates his work the Election of course, Wilbur was never there for him since L'manburg got in his way
@@constahood2724 Makes sense.
"Villian arcs are good if they're built up over time"
I thought that was implied by the word "arc", rather than, say, "eleventh-hour change"?
It's so amazing that the team actually cares a lot about their characters in the story line
They're even better than most of the hollywood's movies
Ranboo really said "I'm going to call out Fundy and Nikki."
Oh I love this hot take. As much as I love villain arcs this is so true. Wilbur did it well, but...another one *cough cough* not naming names were incredibly rushed.
Ranboo makes such a good point. His character has lots of dynamic, and I love how he comments on how he’s trying to write and grow his character. You can tell that he holds a sort of self-awareness in every single action his character makes. I’m super excited to see how it all unfolds.
thank goodness, i didnt want him to have a villain arc. it would be too sad for me :')
How well written his character is is directly reflected in people's reaction, I have seen many people on twitter telling how they have had panic attacks after watching Ranboo streams, and I include myself, you can feel empathy, especially as someone who has anxiety problems, in the end you can relate to this character and feel it, it is definitely my favorite character
He just sub-referenced Fundy Niki and Eret's arc
I'm not sure about Niki and Eret but I feel Fundy did have build up. His character talks about how he's always abandoned or betrayed and that he's sick of it:(th-cam.com/video/4o5ka2GE_5Q/w-d-xo.html)
I don’t really think Eret had a “villain” arc because he didn’t go insane like fundy, he simply knew joining L’manberg again wouldn’t benefit him. It’s not a arc, just a change of a characters POV over time as he’s seen L’manberg go into disarray.
On the other hand fundy pulled a 180 for no reason because he wanted to be evil again.
Niki had a villain arc? Lmao what
@@arcticwiz2249 She burned the L'mantree
@@shreksmeatballs9435 please please explain Niki's villain arc then cause I really don't see it. I live her as a streamer but I don't see her where the buildup is. She doesn't have any villain things to do either so I'd just like to know how there's buildup.
Wait.... you guys don't turn completely evil when even the slightest inconvenience happen to you?
Oh. I gotta make some phone calls.
Meanwhile death by glamour in the background
the man has good taste
@@NimbleWimbIe yea
And the constant spider noises, that one's less enjoyable
It feels kinda demonizing too when characters with trauma always go through a villian arc imo
Ranboo talking about villain arcs:
Death by Glamour in the background: ⬇️↗️⬆️⬅️↪️⬆️↗️⬅️↙️➡️↘️
I'm literally nodding as I listen to this because I can't help but roll my eyes every time I read "villain arc". Wilbur did great because there was a clear character development, while for the other characters, it happened overnight. Example is Fundy. I would totally understand if he becomes a villain just like his father, but it doesn't make sense that yesterday, he was "good", then suddenly he turned into a "villain." Wilbur showed how things slowly drove him to craziness.
MAN I WANNA HIGH FIVE RANBOO. THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. Also, it's confusing because the other characters are not consistent. They say lines and they don't hold onto it.
Example, in season 1, Quackity had this speech about moving on and letting all things go. But then they came back to hunt Techno. Sapnap sided with Quackity to fight Dream, then suddenly in the Festival, he said he can't fight Dream? But I understand that it must be hard to write a coherent story with multiple writers, and I still appreciate the content tho.
For the quackity thing, i get it, but the reason he didnt want to fight with lmanberg during doomsday, is because he Knew they wouldnt win, and he didnt want to face the consequences to his own actions against techno. The whole butcher army was his idea, and his thing. And when it failed miserably he left the moment there were repercussions for it. The thing about his character conflicting in general with season one though i totally agree with, and i think they could have done something with the schlatt possession to like. Explain it. Because that would have been a cool as fuck story line. And as much as i Love glattbur, it just....doesnt...make....sense....
He is just genuinely one of the best actors on the server
I agree. Villain arcs are so much more satisfying if there’s a good build up. Sometimes a snap feels too sudden or can be portrayed in a way that puts a bad light on mental illness. It’s completely ok to have characters not go through a villain arc, antagonists or grey actions can work just as well to create an engaging story! It adds complexity!
That's the thing about Fundy and Niki rn. Fundy, I can see why. He have a sad life, going on no one really care about him. But we don't see much of him showing that emotion(building that). I mean if you're going for realistic realistic he could hide it and then just snap one day. But it's a show you can at least show one bit where Fundy go, "no one really care about me" when Eret forgot to adopt him. Or when dream left him "I'm so done with people giving me hope"
you know what I'm saying.
This right here! Fundy had all the events for it to be a good arc, but there wasn't any build up or hinting of it from his character, so I just don't believe it even if all the facts line up.
evil people can have trauma, but the trauma doesn't make an evil person
Ranboo should write the storyline of the SMP at this point. His understanding of character arcs and relationships is so nuanced, possibly more so than Wilbur! Not to criticize Wilbur's writing, but Vilbur came out of left field with not enough build up to make sense and only existed to antagonize Tommy as another plot point in the climax!! By itself, he's another conflict that exists as only a small part of the overarching storyline. It would be way more interesting if everyone took the time to flesh out their characters (like Ranboo has done) and have their interactions be the focal point instead of them just reacting to the scripted events!!
I wouldn’t say Vilbur came out of nowhere, it actually had a gradual buildup (in Wilbur’s full streams) and made a lot of sense
Vilbur built up for literally two full months (arguably longer) what more do you want from the man
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It had good build up over a few months and Ghostbur said that Alive Wilbur was dealing with some kind of depression even before the Tommy and Wilbur exile
Vilbur was not that flawed of an arc in its execution but yeah Ranboo should have a big role in writing the plot
Why do I imagine ranboo’s character being a villain for 5 minutes then forgetting he’s a villain then things go back to normal
I really liked Ranboo's character before this. This video made me a fan of ranboo the streamer as well!
Ranboo is just proving he's the best Boi on the smp
I honestly love them all but everyday Ranboo keeps climbing to the top
I don't know why, but I'm often getting the impression that people categorize characters as either "good" or "bad", when in reality, the majority fits somewhere in between.
Well-written characters have multiple layers and incorporate positive and negative traits that influence the way they interact with others and see themselves.
The perception of the alignment depends on the on-looker.
I personally think that, save for a few exceptions, the characters on the Dream SMP are morally gray.
At this point, almost everyone has done something that could be considered to be highly questionable from a moral standpoint.
They acted like they did because they believed that it was the correct thing to do - even if they became a villain in the eyes of the audience.
Most people aren't evil for the sake of being evil, you know?
(Also, about Ranboo's character: While he won't harm others intentionally, I can definitely see him being manipulated. He seems insecure and evasive most of the time and, given that the thing he trusts and relies on the most are his notes, changing or faking them would affect him greatly.)
You could go:
Denial, bargain, angsts, more angst, anger, rage, a peak for burning things around you for no better reason after a lot of build up, then depression and finally reconciliation
I really hope Ranboo coaches other ccs on how to roleplay behind the scenes.
he's right but also lowkey roasting the script
Revisiting this discussion after Puffy started her villain arc out of nowhere
Thank god someone finally said it!!! Like certain characters have different ways of coping with these stuff.
Like everyone wanted Tommy to become the villain but i knew it wouldn’t happen since Tommy’s character is a character that breaks down in tears more than a get angry and start a riot like Technoblade.
Wilbur for example is a character that stays strong through everything but he’s a massive overthinker and he’s self aware. So when his character noticed they were being wrong and they weren’t gonna take down Jschlatt without being the bad guy, he decided to go along with it. If he can’t have what he wants then no one else can either. But wilbur was still a broken and sad man that really just wanted everything to end.
Tommy is a perfect example of the opposites yet with the same ideals. Tommy is always better when he is surrounded by the people he loves, clingy in a way and how he shows his affection was definitely through being annoying. (Although still being the hero) So when he’s ripped away from the people he loves he’s not gonna break out in a villain arc. He’s going to break down in tears. Feeling lonely is one of Tommy’s biggest fears. So when he had the chance to join techno it was like he had a new friend, someone new to cling on to. But Tommy started to realise what he’s doing was wrong, he started to become the villain so he tried his best to stop being that. Unlike wilbur who embraced it.
People deal with situations under pressure differently. I know id be crying my eyes out in the bathrooms but then walking myself out insulting people. I don’t like how i do it but its how i deal with it.
After thinking about it a lot, I think Wilbur’s arc was very similar to Dutch Van Der Lin. A charismatic leader who got a lot of people to follow him, but as things got worse and he lost his power and respect, he settled for just tearing down the system and abandoning his most trusting allies.
Fundy got roasted hard with his sudden character change
it is a realistic approach because a villian doesn't know or care that he is the villian cause good and evil is subjective and the character does what he/she does because he/she has a goal that has been shaped by the things that happened to him...
My opinion on Villian arcs are is that it just depends on the the type of trauma the character has and how the character reacts to their emotions for example Wilbur was an old president who cared about his nation and then lost a election then, when Shlatt won the election he took everything about that nation down which made him snap. Wilbur had a slow change to his arc and it made sense. Fundys does make a little sense since Wilbur is dead (Gonna be resurrected but still dead) and he hated Wilbur so much that he snapped but it’s a quick change. While Nikis doesn’t make sense becuase sure she hated L’manburg with a burning passion but it’s a little to quick and we don’t know much about her backstory for it to make sense. I enjoy villian arcs still
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I just realised why that scene was so weirdly familiar? Like I was sitting there like "oh cool why does this feel familiar" and now I realise its because he was literally having a panic attack and did the same kind of things I do when I have them. You know the reaffirming yourself, saying everything is okay, talking yourself through it.
I don't know how to explain it, but like how theres like "two" ranboo's talking to each other in that scene looking for his book, is like how I cope with those moments, just talking back between myself as if theres two inner voices rather than just me talking at my anxiety.
Just to make everyone aware, they're not alters, from what I can gather, its just that my brain has always seen my anxiety as a different inner monologue from myself so thats how I get my anxiety to calm down throughout the day, like the little voice that puts you down kind of vibes. If you do this and you're new to the whole anxiety thing or realising you have anxiety does not mean you have an alter or DID or OSDD.
Either way, its really cool that Ranboo wont tip his character into DID or OSDD. Like he really could have but he's aware that he doesn't have any real life experience and that he doesn't want to spread misinformation about very real conditions that affect alot of people and that people already have alot of misinformation about.
Ranboo: I want to talk about villain arcs-
*Death by glamour intensifys in the back*
I'm glad he understands why I'd hate to see him in a villain arc, he explained it better than I could even
Everybody is talking about villan arcs, but what I think would be most interesting is a hero arc for a character that is usually a villan.
Philza & Techno were antagonists for the KABOOM arc because they have reasons to go against everything Lmanburg stands for or what it represents
Jschlatt has always been chaotic even without his roleplay
Dream has always been an antagonist since the start and that's his main role
Citizens of Lmanburg don't need to have any villain arcs, conflicts/betrayals? maybe, but not straight up villain arcs
This is pog and all but who else is loving the undertale boss music ranboos playing? I sure do
Houseki no Kuni did mental illness right, trauma didn’t happen in one big thing, instead it slowly built up with more and more close calls all due to phoses temperament until they crack, but then instead of everything sidelining to delve into the abyss, life continues with all the characters around them just impressed with them for improving, barely seeing how broken they had to make themselves for that improvement. Amazing show 10/10 would definitely recommend
I've actually read some of the Houseki no Kuni manga, and I agree with you. Phos is one of the most tragic characters I have ever come across, but it happens slowly and builds up over the course of the series. The show and manga are definitely worth viewing for anyone interested.
It doesn't have to make a character 'evil'. A great many people end up more aggressive in some form or another and often take it out on other people. In fiction it can often be contrived into some over the top villainy.
my personal favourite villain arc that isn't a main character is jack manifold's. man wanted the world so he helped himself become inspired by the charismatic leadership of schlatt - when schlatt died, and l'manberg took from him again and again and again, he shifted that to "being worse". trying to seek out morally dubious things and crude pranks to be noticed, finally, to be paid even a horrified kind of attention. because that meant schlatt wasn't wrong to be bad, and jack wasn't wrong for believing in him! nobody wants to be wrong.
so when jack dies, for l'manberg, again, for the last time, it's believable and well-established that he would throw in the towel and enable niki's new anger. because he feels it too; that anger isn't directed at tubbo and quackity and fundy, the functioning government. it's directed at tommy, for killing him on a whim, for taking and never giving back, for leaving people like jack and niki in the dust. i feel like this progression over the past couple of months not only makes jack's deus ex machina from literally hell more narratively cohesive, it makes niki's otherwise rather sudden snap make more sense. they're sick of being ignored and taken advantage of, but niki still thinks she's in the right whilst jack is willing to steer that righteousness neutrally as long as it hurts tommy. tl;dr they are cool and i love them
I'm so glad he's not doing a villain arc. I feel like a lot of smp characters are starting to do villain arcs out of no where, and it doesn't make much sense. I feel like its getting kinda overused at this point...
Man be speaking straight facts
THANK FUCK FOR THIS. ranboo's currently one of my top 3 favorite characters on the entire smp, and i was so worried that the big reveal all the recent lore streams have been leading up to was that ranboo was a bad guy, because that would be such a coward move for a character with so much intrigue and potential. i pray to prime that this means our memory boy is gonna be okay in the end pls mr. ranboo don't hurt him too bad
they gotta let him write the script hes so good
Yeah, this is basically what I think about Fundy's villain arc. Like... You're going to make people cry JUST because you've failed to make them smile?! How does that make any sense at all?
it does make sense though if you look more into fundy’s character.
Fundy wanted to help people bc he wanted some sort of parental approval since he never felt loved by wilbur. He helped schlatt and l’manburg for that reason: he just wanted to feel loved and enough.
Hence the “wanting to make people smile”
He realized tho after the second festival that he probably won’t ever be able to get that, causing his villain arc. His character has always kinda went through things like that, nearly getting what he wants but something stops that from happening. He wants everyone now to basically feel his pain.
which is why he wants to make people cry
if you watch clips from fundy’s perspective i feel like you can see him feeling this, but i can understand why you might not understand his arc since it does kinda feel like it came out of nowhere.
@@strawberrylily5867 What I don't get is, why did he, after realizing he probably wouldn't achieve his goal, immediately decide to start working AGAINST his goal? If I have a goal to lose weight, and then realize that I'll probably never achieve that goal, I wouldn't begin intentionally _gaining_ weight. I'd either downscale my original goal (in this case, focus on maybe making smaller amounts of people happy, and by smaller amounts), OR I'd give up and just remain stagnant (in this case, don't try to influence people one way or another, and just be neutral).
I think that a villain arc has to be portrayed correctly for it to be good. Because Niki and Fundy's "villain arc" as some might call it just came up out of the blue unlike Dream or Wilbur who had a lot of build up towards it. For Wilbur, he lost his country, saw it disappear before his own eyes, couldn't trust anyone, and slowly drove himself insane leading him to blow up the country he created. And in Dream's case, his villain arc happened without people realizing it very well, (some people might have noticed it but I didn't) he manipulated people, and to others not affected by his evil, he seemed like a pretty genuine guy. I think that both the characters of Niki and Fundy have a lot of potential but we need more build up and more than one reason to have a villain arc. (their one reason was that they were always treated as a pawn in L'Manburg)
I completely understand this, villain arcs are hard to do right and so far imo only Wilbur’s was done well. I also understand how Ranboo feels about not wanting to get his character wrong, I’ve done something similar to Wilbur’s arc in a story me and some friends came up with and I’ve been rewatching some of his exile videos and reading the wiki to make sure I get it right
4:50 i can't unhear the spiders syncing with the music holy damn
All the stans that want Niki and Fundy to have villain arcs as well as Ranboo: “My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.”
It can only make sense if there's a lot of time given to the arc, and if it's done well. imo
Ranboo definitely has a point.
See with fundy, there is build up, I can see why fundy would go down that path. Niki on the other hand....not so much. That’s my problem if she does have a “villain arc”
quackity join techno challenge itd make sense if he switched sides because he’s power hungry and with techno if he became his friend he’d be one of the most protected people on the server
I think you misunderstand Quackity's character a little bit. He's not a power-hungry villain. Chaotic? Yes. Flawed? Most definitely. He has always been willing to fight for what he thinks is right, and is even willing to die in the process. Quackity has one goal now: to kill Dream. So unless Techno has that same goal, which he doesn't, not to mention he still has that favour from Dream hanging over his head. I really don't see them teaming up anytime soon.
I highly suggest you check out Quackity's stream of the Doomsday war. It was a very good stream, and you'll learn a lot about his character if you are interested.
Bro quackity was the one to take Carl hostage NO WAY techno doesn't kill him on sight lmao
@@DV-do3id Also Quackity has lost 2 of his canon lives to Techno, and honestly he should've lost a third during Doomsday to him as well given how many times Techno killed him.
@@maninthetrenchcoat5603 so many people died during doomsday but somehow none of them are canon,ngl its rather frustrating
@@youraveragemachine1013 Actually, Jack's was canon. His true death was apparently just delayed an hour. He then came back with a reset 3 new lives with a quest for vengeance against Techno. This is all from the wiki btw.
I wanted to pay attention to what he was saying, I really did, but all I could hear was how well the spider sounds matched with the music. They have learned to *sing*
I actually really, like relate to ranboo because he said that his character was from personal experiences and i just relate to his character so much but now knowing that its from real life experiences that he went through, just makes me relate to him even more.
The thing about Wilbur is that he was always a very questionable character with questionable motivations so it wasn't even that big of a stretch for him to become a straight-up villain.
He did suggest to rig an election so Wilbur wasn’t a good person.
Ayyy its time to go act out Tommy's exile arc i have experience with the topics LMAOO
You were exiled from your country and lived had no contact apart from a man trying to manipulate you and give you stockhold syndrome?
Like Wilbur's villain arc made sense! He had many people betray him and in that sense he slowly lost his sanity, and with that, the thing that truly pushed him over the edge was somebody he thought was his friend betraying him in the worst way possible, which then lead him to believe that if he couldn't have the land he made, L'manburg, then nobody else could have it
What ranboo need is a insanity arc. Like hallucinations, short term memory. Kinda want him to have his character go insane because of those and become like a mix between crazy quackity and ghostbur, wholesome but insane.
It can be a realistic approach if it's a slow burn.
This is Ramboo at his finest
Spoilers ahead in this comment.
Context for what I will be saying (small sum up of the stream):
So with Ranboo’s recent stream (Fri 15 Jan 2021) a voice in his head explains the fact that he has done many bad things (like blowing up the community house, supplying Dream with the tnt to blow up l’manburg) and how he has one of the cannon disk (TommyInnit’s Cat Disk). He goes to look in his hidden chests and finds a single chest under his little shack he has by Technoblade’s house, containing the disk cat. When Ranboo found the disk it proves all of the statements the voice had said to be true.
The actual comment I would like to make about this:
With this happening people may now see Ranboo as a villain, which in my opinion is completely wrong. Every time he did something like that he would black out and not remember what happened. With this information it makes him a slight bit more innocent, actual villains do evil acts know full well about what they are doing and they know it is wrong. But Ranboo wouldn’t normally know about what he did until now. Us as the viewers aren’t fully sure if he was in control of what he did or not, leaving it unknown of if we wanted to commit to these bad actions or if he was reluctant.
Another statement, in the stream he was shown to seem concerned and wanting deny if he did it, meaning that he was upset that he would do such a thing. This also could be used as proof that he is in fact not a villain.
In conclusion, I don’t think that he is a villain i just believe that he has done bad things without knowing and clearly regrets them.
For anyone reading this I hope you liked it and please remember that this is my opinion and is nothing definite. 💕
I fully agree! Ranboo lacks malicious intent, and seems genuinely upset at the thought he would do such a thing.
ranboo wouldnt be able to remember the stuff that would contribute to him being a villian
A villain is a side, same with a hero arc, and good and evil so ofc Ranboo can’t go through a villain arc or any arc at that. He will just be that person who stops the conflict with choosing sides
honestly he's right. c!ranboo having a villain arc would be so out of character. also, his point about the his character's anxiety hits. the first time c!ranboo heard c!dream (fake!dream?) in the panic room, the anxiety attack c!ranboo was having was _so_ similar to ones i used to have that it nearly triggered one. c!ranboo is just so heavily traumatized by whatever his backstory is & he's just far too anxious and cautious to have a villain arc
(rip. this was all over the place my bad)
So much respect for this guy
A villain that doesnt want to become a villain completely unintentionally sounds great
I love that ranboos worst enemy is himself
he is totally right, that's why season 7 daenarys of GOT was so bad
He is right about some things.
But alot of villain arcs or people who have had nothing good happen to them where either everything was taken so they seek revenge or over the course of years they were dealt a bad hand in life till one day they just snap
I feel like with so much happening on the SMP right now the story line is getting really chaotic and hard to follow through
Game of thrones writers should have hired ranboo lol
Finally someone posted this on youtube