oh god, the amount of times I've seen the title "Minecraft build HACKS" ...or "CLIENT side mods" they're doomed that's going to be SO many videos to go through.
@@matthewparker9276 oh geez true, really backfires on videos that try to help communities. Hope there isn't too much damage to these channels and it gets fixed/changes quickly.
@@K1nla Not sure if this is a thing, but imagine if they just used the word "Hack" or "Client" alone instead of "Minecraft" and "Hack", it would very likely go farther then the game itself, but i don't think that's the case as of now.
I think the corporations issuing the copyright strikes should also have a three strikes system and get banned when they submit 3 baseless copyright strikes
Three is way too low considering with how many copyright strikes they’re dealing with on the global scale. Mistakes can happen. That being said bigger and world scale TH-camrs should also be allowed to get more than 3 strikes. 3 is way too low on a big scale, mistakes can happen.
Every corporation wouldn’t be able to advertise on YT then. YT has a financial incentive to prioritize predatory corporate behavior above the needs and wants of us creators.
Good luck with that one. The only reason this site exists is because of these r*t@rd€d companies coming in with their money. If not for that, g••gle would have liquidated it faster than the kids I assume they use as sacrifices under their HQ.
I always remember content creators are people, however I do forget they actually have names and faces in real life, so I imagine a real life Minecraft skin.
TH-cam uses bots to determine copyright/TOS violations, developing and improving those bots for years to follow their specific guidelines to a T, and they STILL get false-positives on a weekly if not daily basis. What makes Microsoft or any company think that this random AI detector that only just recently came out would be capable of doing any better? Especially with such vague instructions?
All Minecraft videos are copyright 'violations' to Microsoft, this AI is presumably looking for EULA violations. But yes, it's obviously getting that wrong too
They are so far removed from sanity that they barely function as humans, and can't seem to make good decisions... That's what massive corporations do...
yeah I have this question too, idk whether it is TH-cam AI or Microsoft AI making this crappy stuff happen, but it might even be both... regardless it seems like both are to blame for this particular issue.
it's almost like automated claims should be against youtube ToS and that youtube shouldn't assume immediately that the claimant is correct and strike the channel WITHOUT notifying the channel for the chance to appeal or remove the video FIRST
This, it is ridiculous to me that people on TH-cam are considered guilty until proven otherwise by them after the fact, simply if any corporation or its AI just says so.
internet is a mockery of the law - you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent, and content that was fine year ago can become problematic, because of yesterday's change in the rules.
don't know what you mean by "almost like" but i certainly agree with the SIMPLE credo of "innocent until proven guilty" - to be given a strike immediately just because "a corporation" makes the claim is simply unfair. whatever happened to 'right of response' ??
They can use bots to find possible violations but a human has to review and be responsible for the claim. Like with a unique id that gets attached to the claim to identity the person that approved it.
At the very least the video uploader should be compensated somehow. Striking a video can really hurt it, there should be some sort of deterrent stopping people from placing false strikes and punishing those who place one.
This is actually horrifying to know that videos uploaded years ago can suddenly become striked and having your entire channel deleted because the terms and conditions changed. and on top of that, their using an untrained ai to strike these videos based on very few conditions.
this shit is why the ex post facto principle exists in the real world you cannot imprison somebody just because of a rule you just invented (youd officially have to put a different reason entirely) ai cannot think, it just cobbles together ideas without rationality
I'm somehow not surprised that Microsoft used a 2 week old bot to check on videos to copyright claim. When you said it, I was like, "Yep, that's something they'll definitely do"
There's a new copyright / strike drama literally every few months. TH-cam needs to change the 3 strikes = termination idea, because the amount of corporate abuse of their systems is absolutely awful paired with it.
Having it be 3+ strikes, no more uploads untill you get it down to 2, would fix things. No more automatic termination. But also when someone does illegally upload content, then they can't continue. No need to terminate the whole channel.
Maybe make it go both ways? Maybe 3 and they are strike banned for 90 days. If people do something strike worthy in that time, either they must do the cease and desist the old fashioned way or deal with it.
I legit got a licensed version only recently when I became an adult and started earning money myself, but for years before that I was having fun on cracked clients and I probably wouldn't have bought it without that prior experience
If you're that good in coding, stop wasting your time on Minecraft, improve Minetest here and there... it's open source and open to improving and you're not hit with anything.
You know thats good when you see so many people use cracked versions and eventually buy the game. Hell even after I owned it I used one because real Minecraft got blocked on school computers but crack didn't
Seed I remember you lol. The asset isn't really generic, their claim to copyright in the video is that it contains gameplay footage of their game. Automated claims I agree though
I think it's really scummy how videos uploaded in the past can be struck because of rules that were created after they were uploaded. Especially if it means a channel can be shotgunned by multiple strikes all at once because some robot went through their entire back-catalog and nailed them multiple times. There needs to be a system for old videos to get "grandfathered", or at the very least given a warning instead of a strike so they have time to remove them if the claim is legitimate. Also, using AI to strike videos is cringe, because you ALWAYS get cases like this where the video doesn't actually break any rules, the AI just incorrectly thinks it does.
@@Ht9ehtoom Because it’s not a law, it’s terms of service, contract law. Which you usually get an email for that says “this and that will change, by continuing to use the service after you agree to these changes”.
I'm kinda tempted to make a video with a name like "Free Minecraft Hacked Client" but the video and thumbnail being something completely different, like playing Monster Hunter or something, see what happens Update 1: It's been a couple days and nothing. Someone pointed out that it could be because TH-cam already has "Roblox" tags on the video cause it's an old one. I wonder if a newer video on Minecraft Roblox, something that would trick TH-cam into giving the video Minecraft tags THEN it would get picked up, but I'm way too busy nowadays to make a video that I don't care about to trick an AI. I won't change the video yet, but I will if there are other companies doing stupid things to see if their stupid way of doing it can be tricked so we can yell at them.
So I changed the name of a video I don't care for, since Microsoft is doing old videos too I'll see how it does If you're curious it's one of the roblox videos I did, so if it's gone you know what happened
The bigger problem of this is the censorship it enables. Like we already struggle with false claims every day by this point but imagine how many that would turn into when Companies start to automate certain buzzwords to be not allowed in connection to their products. Imagine a movie review gets automatically claimed and struck when the title is "X MOVIE WAS BAD!" or something.
And once again it has been confirmed: "A Artificial Intelligence should only be capable of creating suggestions NEVER SHOULD IT JUST BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITHOUT ANY QA" Edit: Wow this got 25 likes in 6 hours
Another thing that annoys me (pedantically maybe): An EULA breach isn't itself a copyright issue. Seems like, barring some further details, a DMCA claim could be inappropriate at least in some% of the cases but IANAL.
They already have a copyright in all Minecraft gameplay footage. You could say everyone's videos are infringing but they enforce it selectively, or that they grant you a licence through the EULA which they revoke when you break it or something
@@gyroninjamodder But.... if the videos were made before that was revoked, the videos were still made when it was valid, seems like an area of law that needs exploration at the very least, even if that means some YTer for instance needs to fight it in court w/ a lawyer. The more things that can be clarified the better IMO even if that involves legal fights.
@@speedstyle. even still, you cant retroactively revoke a license for displaying copyrighted work; you cant suddenly say it is now illegal to have legally profited off of copyrighted footage uploaded a year ago. Not without a very strange contract.
@@generallyunimportantYep it's not. Let's just say "Clueless company executives try not to replace critical systems with unfinished/undercooked AI models for short term gain" challenge
its crazy they ignored the weird +18 alike miinecraft animation content for years that targeted to children and now taking an action that is not been well considered enough. its weird a company like this making this much red flag/amateur moves.
I wanna bet it’s run by elderly people who have no clue what they’re doing. Because you honestly can’t tell me this is someone in their 25-30s pulling this shit.
That website legit looks like such a scam. Most of the site is a wall of buzzwords. They claim they're using an "8-billion parameter LLM" - which is on the smaller side but not terrible. But size alone doesn't make an LLM good at its job. If it is an actual LLM, because from the lack of transparency on there for all I know they just slapped an AI sticker on an 8 year old bot and called it a day. There's seems to be no review section on their site. They don't seem to really know what they're talking about. Like, they call their LLM "LLM language model" - LLM stands for large language model. I think automated bot use for sites as big as TH-cam isn't entirely a bad idea- its just too big for humans to deal with. And LLMs might be able to help improve accuracy there. But they'd have to be specific and competent models, which this is clearly not.
@@0celot9 it's the opposite microsoft determines the rules for minecraft if they wanted to get all mincraft hack client sites taken down they could do it with ease l
You'd think they'd WANT videos about hacked clients, one to help find new ones and two to waste the time of those seeking them out trying to find ones Microsoft hasn't dealt with...
because clients aren’t actually against any “Eula” or bullshit and they know they’ll never win but TH-cam is cucked enough to let them walk all over them
@@rockiecraft tbf if they don't like the clients and such they can easily change the guidelines, its their game and site after all But they can't make a patent for that or a block based game since there's too many similar games some maybe even big enough to not stand and watch
I absolutely hate it when big corporations just straight up use faulty ai to impose restrictions because they are soooo cheap they can’t get a person to do so
This is why i hate this "A.I." based system. Because every single people, even the normal players, can get false claim/copystrike by this. Better they had a team of 10 or 20 people, to handle this kind of works.
So, uhm... EULA violations are not enforceable, but even if they were, Microsoft would still be committing a crime here, no? This is not a copyright issue, so the DMCA is, by definition, not the correct way of doing it, and abusing it like this *could* get them sued (even if noone will do it, because they're way too big to be allowed to exist)
The hack itself might count as a copyright issue, since it's an unauthorized modification of copyrighted code. However, I don't know if that means they have a case against the video creators, or just the people who wrote the hacks. Either way, I don't think anyone would be able to take Microsoft to court over it, since, unless I misremember, I recall hearing that MS was at one point able to beat the U.S. government in a legal battle by just... having so much money that they could pay for court costs longer than the government deemed it worth to do the same. A regular ordinary person would stand no chance. It's messed up.
you are correct, microsoft has no right to the video content, and therefore cannot legally sue for copyright infringement. that means that this is abuse of the youtube copyright system. (correct me if i’m wrong)
Microsoft owns the copyright to Minecraft the game, including any gameplay footage. They choose not to enforce it the vast majority of the time but they're allowed to do it selectively however they like. In particular they choose to enforce it on content that breaks the EULA, so the issue with these videos is that it's inconsistent/surprising/damaging to the community rather than illegal.
Hey Phoenix, thanks so much for the video! Been watching your videos for a long time, and ecstatic that I'm in one of them now :D In terms of resolving the issues, it still hasn't happened yet, and I'm stuck at automated responses together with the fact that TH-cam is blocking my appeals due to me having submitted too many of them which was got flagged as 'suspicious behavior'. Hope this gets fixed soon
Taking down Bedrock Edition LEGITIMATE client videos is insane, we distribute our clients via DLLs, and never even supply any sort of version of the game. I would fully understand hacked clients being removed, however legitimate clients which do not provide any advantage is insane.
yeah ive tried onix, it just makes the game smoother and better without providing unfair competitive advantage and will probably keep more people playing minecraft, not sure what microsoft is doing here
You know, this is actually really funny in a terrible way. An MMO I play (also run by Microsoft) just had to address some rumors that an AI moderation was being used, due to multiple players receiving bans for cursing in chat (it's an M rated game with an option to disable the chat filter) without having been reported.
its a crime against microsoft to distribute client without autorization?) even if you are a small creator making a hacked client to promote being a minecraft cheater you should be banned
@@ns8465literally watch the rest of the video. Also it says explicitly they’re allowed to ban or suspend service. Not submitting false copyright claims. Microsoft doesn’t even own youtube.
greaaaaat. now we gotta worry about a video that might be called something like "minecraft building life hacks for october" and suddenly getting flagged by a dumb AI
Not surprised. They already used AI for years. First was customer support, now this. And to those who think Customer support aint AI, look at the responses you get. Support straight up asked me to share account information with them such as my security questions, PW, etc when I wanted to ask about Migration as to why it took so long since I kept getting errors. But of course the secondary support website is also not actually run by humans. Dont remember the name itself but its a site that aparently connects you with gamers and staff via chat to see if you may come to a conclusion without the help of staff. Which would be fine if it wasnt for the fact that the site they used is an AI site. As in, chatbot AI.
It would be quite dubious for the peculiar PhoenixSC to make a dandy appeal to this "fancy" allegation, from forth this peculiar figure has thus lead to Phoenix's inevitable discipline of fancy.
Unwarranted strikes should have a penalty to copyright, so if Microsoft give 5 unwarranted strikes, they will be banned from flagging that same channel for 6 months and banned from copyrighting at all for 3 days
I also got a copyright strike a few days ago for the same reason! Although it has been removed now, being a Minecraft tutorial creator this is terrifying, 3 strikes at once and everything is over...
It doesn't matter if you breach EULA, which is a contract that you're forced into after paying money for a product. Strikes on TH-cam are meant for copywrited content, not for enforcing whatever rules Microsoft decides to make up.
Imagine telling people who never signed the EULA (because this is supposedly about people sharing *cracked clients* AKA those who never bought MC) that they are breaking the EULA.
Maybe this will get people to move over to calling them "Cheat Clients" or "Utility Clients". The latter is one I prefer over "Hacked Client", as it more accurately describes what it does, as there isn't really any hacking being done. And with the former, it is a term some people have begun using to bypass certain filters and restrictions on platforms that don't want those kind of mods to be distributed there.
most of it would usually fall upon the former, as it is what it is a cheat, the word hack has been misused so much to the point that in this space its lost its intended meaning.. but, servers do have occasinally, different definitions for cheating, some outright allow it except certain features, and do so via server plugins, and some just disallow it alltogether.
I both hate the word "client" for both "hack clients" and "clients" like lunar or badlion, since it implies they are something different than other mods (they aren't) independent of that I hate calling them "utility", since that tries to masks their purpose - which is usually cheating. It also brings bad light to actual utility mods like recipe viewers (eg. JEI, REI, EMI), mods like waila that display what bock you are looking at, or mods like litematica. tho I agree with you that calling them "hacks" isn't really appropriate in most cases, since the developers are the only ones hacking (if you are making them yourself for your own use imo it is fine to call them hacks, but if you are just downloading them, you are a more like a script kiddie than hacker)
Hacked clients are hacking in the truest sence of the word. And so are all other client side mods. You decompile minecraft, insert your own code and then you have a client that sends messages to the server normal clients cant send. If you're interested in learning about hacking, watch liveoverflows series about minecraft (if it didn't get striked down)
There are over ten thousand games and movies about corporate dystopias, and yet people still are shocked when they see it happen in real life, like they've never seen anything like it.
I know a youtuber doing some news and personal opinions about dramas that had received 30 strikes, he had to seek help from the company that cooperate with youtube to not get his channel deleted. In the end, they refused to help at the last strike and now he's gone (with another channel)
really?? thats a new low. even for Microsoft I mean I get the reason but thats ridiculous, they should be aware of the issues with doing word banning like that
A big problem I have with all of this is what if you're making a video just documenting various hacks? There are many youtubers documenting just what the hacks do, the history of hacks, and various dangers, etc. They are not actually promoting the hacks. Also, there are probably many hacks that many people are completely fine with them being used, since they're being used fairly (this is speculation, though). Microsoft's AI can't tell the difference between "here's a malicious hack and here's how to get it" and "this is the history of a bunch of hacks." The main thing I'm thinking about with this is that I'm not afraid of AI itself. AI is very clearly stupid, and can't do much at all when on its own. I am afraid of humans *putting* AI in charge, and then AI screwing up from there. This is exactly what's happening; Microsoft is putting a faulty AI in charge, and the AI is now screwing up and potentially ruining many youtubers' lives.
Basically what already is going on with TH-cam screwing over history channels because they report on historical events that are not advertiser friendly. TH-cam is not able to differentiate between a video discussing mere facts and a video that is being controversial for the sake of it. Why should we expect a third party, Microsoft, to do any better when the tools they use are more limited, yet also threaten channel deletion?
Hacking isn't against the Minecraft EULA, there's no such thing as a 'malicious hack' and you're allowed to make videos promoting hacks. What's not allowed is _cracked_ clients which let you play without an account (piracy), and modded clients which contain a copy of minecraft itself rather than eg downloading a copy from mojang in the installer. The latter is quite common (even PaperMC is distributed as a monolithic package) so some of these videos might technically breach EULA, but their AI was presumably meant to focus on cracked clients as they would contact Paper/Meteor/etc directly if that was the problem.
You know, as an American, seeing this video at midnight and seeing your area so bright kinda confuses me but then I realize there’s other countries lmao Also, Microsoft is kinda terrible on moderation and legal terms.
Maybe we should replace "Hacked" with "Special" and "Client" with "Clientele" or one of these words or maybe just simply "Thingy so it would be "Special Thingy" customer buyer purchaser shopper consumer user patient patron regular habitué frequenter clientele patronage public market trade business punter vendee emptor
How I interpret "hacked versions or Modded Versions of the game client" is mods that bundle themselves with the .jar file for the version you are playing (look inside .minecraft/versions), which means that they distribute a modified version of the game client rather than just a separate mod that injects into the game at runtime using Fabric, Forge, etc.
Reminds me of when the whole coppa act was striking larger TH-camrs for having videos with swearing not being for kids and saw it had retroactively affected past videos , I was swearing while playing Minecraft for a few years and so I had deleted all of my videos at the time (in the moment I completely forgot about being able to private them so lost a 9k view video)
I don't think it's actually legally binding to strike content created with an account that didn't follow the EULA. That would be like blizzard taking down your twitter account for being naughty in WOW. The EULA cannot dictate the monitization or creation of content using the work. This is ultimately why steam won their lawsuits about the rights of ownership over dota, which started as a mod of another game that stated that mods could not be comercialised in the EULA. The courts deemed that you cannot dictate to players once they cease using your framework, which would extend to video creation, as that is beyond the purview of minecraft, and therefore microsoft.
They can strike the download pages and potentially people that promote the use of them (sketchy legal grounding there, with little legal precedent), but they cannot blanket ban content featuring, discussing or using hack clients. They can try to ban the minecraft accounts, but that is the limit of their reach in that regard. They should be more careful if they don't want to get sued.
The EULA _can_ dictate the creation of content using the work, they own copyright in all Minecraft gameplay footage and can enforce infringement selectively or equivalently grant you a limited/revocable licence to it as long as you follow the EULA. Dota was a mod that contained no copyrighted content from the base game
@@speedstyle. Legally speaking, they actually do not own the "copyright in all minecraft gameplay". That has never been proven in a court of law, meaning that is actually considered to be "legally grey", or in otherwords, not expressly legally binding. They own the rights to the code, assets, models and artwork, but gameplay has never been proven to not be a transformative medium. Until there is sufficient case law on the subject, it is not legally binding, and can very easily be challenged in a court of law. They have to prove that gameplay counts as a market replacement for their product or service. Since you get a different experience from the product than you do from a video, they will likely lose that case. Something like a telltale game might actually win that case, though. This will likely cause a fracture in definitions that would lead to "interactive movies" and "video games" needing to be made distinct. It's a risky game to play, too, since if microsoft loses, they will have even less control over the spread of "harmful" minecraft content, and if they win, people will stop making gameplay content for fear of being sued for making "market replacements" of the game in question.
@@Handles_AreStupid They do own (a, not the) copyright in all gameplay, but fair use might allow you to use it despite that copyright. It's also a defence which _you_ would have to prove, not vice versa. Whether it forms a market replacement is one important pillar of that but not the only one - I hope it does eventually get decided in that direction, but I couldn't predict for certain and until there is such a precedent they're within their rights to submit takedowns like these.
@@speedstyle. The problem is that they don't own the copyright to gameplay. Like I said, they own the copyright to everything else, but gameplay belongs to the one that filmed it. It's like how I can copyright a certain building style (irl) and have a copyrighted logo on it, but anyone that takes a picture suddenly owns the copyright of that work. I can't suddenly start striking photos off of the internet for containing "my copyright", because it has been transformed. This is why it will never go to court.
I also thought about a ban but I think you can still make copyright strikes even without an account. So this wouldn't work unfortunately.... They need to get black listed by the TH-cam support so every claim gets checked individually by a person.
It shouldn't matter if it's in the EULA or not. Mojang shouldn't have the ability to remove whatever video they want from TH-cam. It would be the same as me going into a Walmart and breaking their rules or TOS or whatever, and then I get banned from Walmart _(which would be all fine and understandable of course)_ but then Walmart also had the ability to ban me from ever shopping in a GameStop again. It's not how the world should work. So this is just as much on TH-cam as it is on Mojang.
Two things jump out at me after watching this video. 1. Microsoft are claming copyright violation for a game titled "MRK: Minecraft Game Copyright" (7:29) - but there's no such game. Let's be generous and assume they just meant "Minecraft". 2. Taking down videos with a copyright claim is total nonsense! The Minecraft EULA specifically allows videos to be shared. Sure, hacked clients would break the EULA, and that could lead to Minecraft account deletion. TH-cam videos could be used as evidence of breaking the Minecraft EULA. But sending a copyright claim for videos mentioning such things? That's direct abuse of TH-cam's copyright systems. So, anyone with such a strike should counter with something like: >There's no such game as "MRK: Minecraft Game Copyright", but let's assume they meant "Minecraft". >The Minecraft EULA specifically allows videos of game content to be uploaded. >Therefore, the claim is not valid.
Microsoft are allowed to revoke that licence selectively and whenever they like. The issue is that they probably didn't mean to do it for these videos, not that they aren't within their rights to.
It's weird because all corporations seem to be run by morons. Who are all these idiots, and why are they in charge of anything at all? They shouldn't be trusted with even a TV remote...
AI and automated systems should NOT be allowed to strike videos. Something that's so damaging to a channel, someone's livelihood, should not be determined through some machine trying to decide what is and isn't allowed based entirely on words and not the content itself. "AI" has become such a normalized thing in just a few years that it's honestly terrifying, and more people need to start pushing back against it, especially when jobs are on the line.
When Microsoft bought Minecraft, they said they wanted it to last for 100 years. This kind of stuff happening repeatedly is easily driving the game closer to dying out long before then.
Minecraft is source available though. Mojang provides deobfuscation mappings. Being open source wouldn't really benefit anyone. Do you think Mojang would take PRs from random students on GitHub? It would also only make the ratting and scam problems worse.
@@gesgald2266 Lol, but I was talking about how this dude posted his comment literally 1 minute after the video was posted. Like it’s an 8 minute video, there’s no way you watched it that fast and understand it
Bah microsoft are trash. Here I am trying to get my hacked account back and the system is saying that literal card info from a purchase, console network ID and other important info isn't enough to prove my identity... and the chat service gave a bot that said I would be contacted via email within 72 hours (3 days) and it's been over 3 weeks. With moving I haven't followed it up but still...
Friendly reminder that, unlike Windows 11, Linux does not require an online account to use, and does not shove all your data up into Microsoft's servers.
@@Sand_WraithPL There's always a chance someone listens, whether that's the person being addressed, or someone else scrolling through the comments who doesn't know better options exist, or just needs a push in the right direction.
@@Jamer-lc3vv On a technicality, yes. In practice, avoiding an online account on Windows these days is a hidden fallback option that you can only choose if you haven't connected your computer to the web when the setup process asked you to. At least that's how it was in Win10 (which is the last Windows I used), and as far as I've heard (without knowing the exact details), Win11 has put in even more obstacles you need to loophole your way through to get to that fallback option.
i hope that "other game companies " will not "copy" this thing and will start removing all "unwanted; unfavorite " game video content (here on YT) from "their" game ...
This demonstrates a huge flaw with using AI to copyright, and with the copyright strike process in place. Seems like AI can trigger a copyfraud class action lawsuit. Well done Microsoft.
This makes me pretty iffy about the 3-strike system as well. In the future, there will surely be more large corps making mistakes like this and getting away with it, so three simple copyright strikes shouldn't DELETE a channel. Maybe 5 strikes could have video uploading locked(still completely appealable). But at this point, I'm not even sure if TH-cam still has anyone who knows how to code that
You know it's a good sign when Microsoft is relying on or copying TH-cam's VERY reliable AI algorithm that definitely has not made any mistakes whatsoever
I like this, it's a step in the right direction for helping stop hacks! And that one that was taken down may not have been hacks, but it did sound like it could be. They brought it back up after further inspection. Just be careful how you word things. (However, if its the case, these would be no reason to delete a channel. Just the video.)
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oh god, the amount of times I've seen the title "Minecraft build HACKS" ...or "CLIENT side mods" they're doomed that's going to be SO many videos to go through.
Or even "beware this mod will hack your client and steal your login"
@@matthewparker9276 oh geez true, really backfires on videos that try to help communities. Hope there isn't too much damage to these channels and it gets fixed/changes quickly.
@@K1nla Not sure if this is a thing, but imagine if they just used the word "Hack" or "Client" alone instead of "Minecraft" and "Hack", it would very likely go farther then the game itself, but i don't think that's the case as of now.
OR this video with its title lmao
@@lucifertempest9566 Nah, _that's too obvious._
I think the corporations issuing the copyright strikes should also have a three strikes system and get banned when they submit 3 baseless copyright strikes
And after three strikes, their CEO gets ejected into space.
Three is way too low considering with how many copyright strikes they’re dealing with on the global scale. Mistakes can happen.
That being said bigger and world scale TH-camrs should also be allowed to get more than 3 strikes.
3 is way too low on a big scale, mistakes can happen.
Every corporation wouldn’t be able to advertise on YT then. YT has a financial incentive to prioritize predatory corporate behavior above the needs and wants of us creators.
Good luck with that one. The only reason this site exists is because of these r*t@rd€d companies coming in with their money. If not for that, g••gle would have liquidated it faster than the kids I assume they use as sacrifices under their HQ.
@@Tasorius "Generic CEO name" was the imposter. 99 imposters left.
I lowkey forgot phoenix was person, the face was a jumpscare
Face jumpscare
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@@1MadJack1 AHH
Hes not a human, its just an AI
I always remember content creators are people, however I do forget they actually have names and faces in real life, so I imagine a real life Minecraft skin.
TH-cam uses bots to determine copyright/TOS violations, developing and improving those bots for years to follow their specific guidelines to a T, and they STILL get false-positives on a weekly if not daily basis.
What makes Microsoft or any company think that this random AI detector that only just recently came out would be capable of doing any better? Especially with such vague instructions?
All Minecraft videos are copyright 'violations' to Microsoft, this AI is presumably looking for EULA violations. But yes, it's obviously getting that wrong too
They are so far removed from sanity that they barely function as humans, and can't seem to make good decisions... That's what massive corporations do...
yeah I have this question too, idk whether it is TH-cam AI or Microsoft AI making this crappy stuff happen, but it might even be both... regardless it seems like both are to blame for this particular issue.
@@nullandvoid7881 it's the lack of regulation that's also to blame
They don't WANT better.
They want to scorch the earth and make people be afraid.
it's almost like automated claims should be against youtube ToS
and that youtube shouldn't assume immediately that the claimant is correct and strike the channel WITHOUT notifying the channel for the chance to appeal or remove the video FIRST
This, it is ridiculous to me that people on TH-cam are considered guilty until proven otherwise by them after the fact, simply if any corporation or its AI just says so.
internet is a mockery of the law - you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent, and content that was fine year ago can become problematic, because of yesterday's change in the rules.
@@sohlasattelitethat’s against the constitution of many places and if it doesn’t change a nation wide legal battle will happen
don't know what you mean by "almost like" but i certainly agree with the SIMPLE credo of "innocent until proven guilty" - to be given a strike immediately just because "a corporation" makes the claim is simply unfair. whatever happened to 'right of response' ??
They can use bots to find possible violations but a human has to review and be responsible for the claim. Like with a unique id that gets attached to the claim to identity the person that approved it.
Unwarranted strikes should completely remove a company's ability to make copyright strikes.
accountability is in short supply nowadays...
maybe people should be making more of it.
stop giving them money and convince your peers....
Unfortunately this can't be done because then TH-cam itself could theoretically be liable for future copyright claims.
At the very least the video uploader should be compensated somehow. Striking a video can really hurt it, there should be some sort of deterrent stopping people from placing false strikes and punishing those who place one.
@@kibbiking9122 I think what they ment was, that this is applied as law, not just on YT. But we all know this would never happen.
Nah. Fully on Microsoft’s side here.
This is actually horrifying to know that videos uploaded years ago can suddenly become striked and having your entire channel deleted because the terms and conditions changed. and on top of that, their using an untrained ai to strike these videos based on very few conditions.
For youtube that's just another tuesday.
Sounds like the same situation happened to another beloved edgy TH-camr... Hm... Leafy, anyone?
@@VoidHxnterexcept that he was kind of an ass
this shit is why the ex post facto principle exists in the real world
you cannot imprison somebody just because of a rule you just invented (youd officially have to put a different reason entirely)
ai cannot think, it just cobbles together ideas without rationality
I’m glad noone is replying to that bot 📈📈
I'm somehow not surprised that Microsoft used a 2 week old bot to check on videos to copyright claim. When you said it, I was like, "Yep, that's something they'll definitely do"
this one is specifically Microsoft, it doesn’t say it is Mojang but Microsoft
2:10 “Microsoft Corporation” not Mojang
Mojang = Microsoft you dingus.
@@ErwinPPP No, they are not the same. That’s like saying Pokemon Company = Nintendo
Yh guys my bad
There's a new copyright / strike drama literally every few months. TH-cam needs to change the 3 strikes = termination idea, because the amount of corporate abuse of their systems is absolutely awful paired with it.
Having it be 3+ strikes, no more uploads untill you get it down to 2, would fix things. No more automatic termination. But also when someone does illegally upload content, then they can't continue. No need to terminate the whole channel.
Maybe make it go both ways? Maybe 3 and they are strike banned for 90 days. If people do something strike worthy in that time, either they must do the cease and desist the old fashioned way or deal with it.
@@Liggliluff TH-cam does it to maintain safe harbor status, and that is how they comply with the "repeat infringer" law.
Ironically, cracked clients were one of the reasons Minecraft skyrocketed in popularity in its earlier days, before release.
Yes, and what’s more, cracked clients are still popular in Europe. to be precise, most of EU players use them
I legit got a licensed version only recently when I became an adult and started earning money myself, but for years before that I was having fun on cracked clients and I probably wouldn't have bought it without that prior experience
So many people (like kids pre credit card, or even game owners to get past school computer restrictions) crack then game, then buy it later.
@@cheekibreaki5508or in iran. Literally 99% of people here think that tlanucher made Minecraft
Great, AI is now replacing Microsoft legal team. Hoorayy….. can’t wait for them to replace the Minecraft devs too.
💀
Minecraft 1.22 update: fever dream 💀
I mean like, faster updates right?
@@RandomStuffReally last time i saw A.I make Minecraft it was fever dream
at least they'll actually update the game
microsoft never fails to keep making bad decision after bad decision
Hasn't that been going on for a few years now?
@@creativename773yea probably
no, they make great decisions for immediate self enrichment, for the shareholders.
it seems every big corp is
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me that the only reason Bedrock Edition has a marketplace is cause they want money.
As a mod developer, I have been hit with this
What type of mods do you develop?
@@kibbiking9122 seems they got hacked skin packs that crash people and modded bedrock versions.
@@kibbiking9122look at his channel bruh 😭
Forge client mods
Striked because of the word client @@kibbiking9122
If you're that good in coding, stop wasting your time on Minecraft, improve Minetest here and there... it's open source and open to improving and you're not hit with anything.
Remember how Notch sees cracked and hacked version of Minecraft? He sees it as free advertisement. I miss the good old days.
Oof
"1v1 quake no balls"
For all of Notch’s faults at least he’s right with this one.
You know thats good when you see so many people use cracked versions and eventually buy the game.
Hell even after I owned it I used one because real Minecraft got blocked on school computers but crack didn't
@@teresar6348 crack didn’t get blocked on school computers? Why didn’t you order some already!?
Actually, automating claims like this and using a "generic" asset for a takedown claim (not creating a new one) is against TH-cam's TOS!
Seed I remember you lol. The asset isn't really generic, their claim to copyright in the video is that it contains gameplay footage of their game. Automated claims I agree though
@@speedstyle. Still against YT's policies.
@@Seedproof
I think it's really scummy how videos uploaded in the past can be struck because of rules that were created after they were uploaded. Especially if it means a channel can be shotgunned by multiple strikes all at once because some robot went through their entire back-catalog and nailed them multiple times. There needs to be a system for old videos to get "grandfathered", or at the very least given a warning instead of a strike so they have time to remove them if the claim is legitimate.
Also, using AI to strike videos is cringe, because you ALWAYS get cases like this where the video doesn't actually break any rules, the AI just incorrectly thinks it does.
In actual law it's not allowed to retroactively apply a law. Not sure why that doesn't apply here.
@@Ht9ehtoom Because it’s not a law, it’s terms of service, contract law. Which you usually get an email for that says “this and that will change, by continuing to use the service after you agree to these changes”.
Microsoft has nobody to stop them. They are above any law as long as they are online.
@@SomeCowguy Such a bunch of bullshit. Of course they have to adhere to the law.
@@woalk sure they should, but illegall changes are just another tuesday for them. I dont see anyone going after them or suing them.
Even after they said there are no gameplay rules, and that servers determine what is enforced
Goddamn it
That's not a gameplay rule though to be fair, it's how people share the game and the image they paint of it online
A multinational trillion-dollar company lied? Inconceivable.
@Dontreadmypicture-j7owhy should I copy your parents?
@@boidHacked clients exist for any game, nobody is NOT buying a game because it has one.
@@TheOnlyPunklord don't answer to him he is a filthy bot
I'm kinda tempted to make a video with a name like "Free Minecraft Hacked Client" but the video and thumbnail being something completely different, like playing Monster Hunter or something, see what happens
Update 1: It's been a couple days and nothing. Someone pointed out that it could be because TH-cam already has "Roblox" tags on the video cause it's an old one. I wonder if a newer video on Minecraft Roblox, something that would trick TH-cam into giving the video Minecraft tags THEN it would get picked up, but I'm way too busy nowadays to make a video that I don't care about to trick an AI.
I won't change the video yet, but I will if there are other companies doing stupid things to see if their stupid way of doing it can be tricked so we can yell at them.
Do it
So I changed the name of a video I don't care for, since Microsoft is doing old videos too I'll see how it does
If you're curious it's one of the roblox videos I did, so if it's gone you know what happened
Replying so I get updated once you let us know
Replying so I get updated too
Me too
The bigger problem of this is the censorship it enables. Like we already struggle with false claims every day by this point but imagine how many that would turn into when Companies start to automate certain buzzwords to be not allowed in connection to their products. Imagine a movie review gets automatically claimed and struck when the title is "X MOVIE WAS BAD!" or something.
and they say liberals want to censor everything. When reqlly the gigantic companies are the ones who censor literally any comment with "Æss"in it.
And once again it has been confirmed: "A Artificial Intelligence should only be capable of creating suggestions NEVER SHOULD IT JUST BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITHOUT ANY QA"
Edit: Wow this got 25 likes in 6 hours
Yeah, it'd be fine if they were using the AI to narrow down the search space and check its findings, but they clearly aren't doing this.
Another thing that annoys me (pedantically maybe): An EULA breach isn't itself a copyright issue. Seems like, barring some further details, a DMCA claim could be inappropriate at least in some% of the cases but IANAL.
The eula says they have the right to revoke their permission for you to make videos including Minecraft at anytime.
They already have a copyright in all Minecraft gameplay footage. You could say everyone's videos are infringing but they enforce it selectively, or that they grant you a licence through the EULA which they revoke when you break it or something
@@gyroninjamodder But.... if the videos were made before that was revoked, the videos were still made when it was valid, seems like an area of law that needs exploration at the very least, even if that means some YTer for instance needs to fight it in court w/ a lawyer. The more things that can be clarified the better IMO even if that involves legal fights.
@@DanknDerpyGamer You still must have a license for distribution for as long as it's on TH-cam.
@@speedstyle. even still, you cant retroactively revoke a license for displaying copyrighted work; you cant suddenly say it is now illegal to have legally profited off of copyrighted footage uploaded a year ago. Not without a very strange contract.
modern tech companies try not to abuse GPT/text ai challenge
i doubt this is anything gpt-related lol
@@generallyunimportantYep it's not. Let's just say "Clueless company executives try not to replace critical systems with unfinished/undercooked AI models for short term gain" challenge
epic fail
Modern capitalistic greedy companies try not to abuse simplistic AI and ability to do consequence-free public mistakes more like
@@RadXaderAnd you ruined it
its crazy they ignored the weird +18 alike miinecraft animation content for years that targeted to children and now taking an action that is not been well considered enough. its weird a company like this making this much red flag/amateur moves.
it really isnt weird. it's pretty common cause all corporations suck
@@ScruffySFM so just fuck Valve, right?
Nah not valve but it did had a con with how it neglects tf2 for a VERY long time
@@JohnnyofTheSevenSeasvalve doesn’t do anything to begin with, good or bad
its not really weird when you considering that bill gates loves minors
AI is not ready why do big corporations keep throwing AIs into everything like theyre ready??? 😭
I wanna bet it’s run by elderly people who have no clue what they’re doing. Because you honestly can’t tell me this is someone in their 25-30s pulling this shit.
ye< lol
That website legit looks like such a scam. Most of the site is a wall of buzzwords. They claim they're using an "8-billion parameter LLM" - which is on the smaller side but not terrible. But size alone doesn't make an LLM good at its job. If it is an actual LLM, because from the lack of transparency on there for all I know they just slapped an AI sticker on an 8 year old bot and called it a day.
There's seems to be no review section on their site. They don't seem to really know what they're talking about. Like, they call their LLM "LLM language model" - LLM stands for large language model.
I think automated bot use for sites as big as TH-cam isn't entirely a bad idea- its just too big for humans to deal with. And LLMs might be able to help improve accuracy there. But they'd have to be specific and competent models, which this is clearly not.
if (video.title.has("hacks") == true) then delete()
Also, 8 billion is laughably small. Doubly so since Microsoft has part ownership of "Open"AI.
@@marioisawesome8218 dammit - now my video "How to dispose of bodies by using a hacksaw" will be targetted.
This is most definitely a pump/dump scheme and MicroL fell for it
@@binsarm9026 i'm so sorry for your loss
insane how they're going after channels but not the clients themselves
It’s harder to strike down a website with hacks, and they probably do.
If they go after the client thats going to be so fucking stupid. Servers decide rules, not the company.
@@0celot9 it's the opposite microsoft determines the rules for minecraft if they wanted to get all mincraft hack client sites taken down they could do it with ease l
You'd think they'd WANT videos about hacked clients, one to help find new ones and two to waste the time of those seeking them out trying to find ones Microsoft hasn't dealt with...
because clients aren’t actually against any “Eula” or bullshit and they know they’ll never win but TH-cam is cucked enough to let them walk all over them
Microsoft taking down videos if their innocent or not is crazy
average Microsoft experience honestly
@@zackbot_ real
Well at the very least they're not doing a Nintendo
@@hamnporkgamer they're on the way
@@rockiecraft tbf if they don't like the clients and such they can easily change the guidelines, its their game and site after all
But they can't make a patent for that or a block based game since there's too many similar games some maybe even big enough to not stand and watch
They tried to distract us with that God awful (A) Minecraft Movie trailer and used it as cover to start using AI to take down videos...
next they'll strike down any YT-er criticising that trailer using footage from it !!
@@binsarm9026about that buddy...
@@binsarm9026oh wait! They’ve already done this!
@@binsarm9026 thats 100% fair use though
@@ShowierData9978 until Microsoft complains and YT gives in...
Thank you so much PhoenixSC for bringing this to the public attention.
be careful you took alot hard work on the channel 😢
Cyde the redditor
@@ToasterMaybe i make TH-cam videos too
I absolutely hate it when big corporations just straight up use faulty ai to impose restrictions because they are soooo cheap they can’t get a person to do so
This is why i hate this "A.I." based system. Because every single people, even the normal players, can get false claim/copystrike by this. Better they had a team of 10 or 20 people, to handle this kind of works.
Or maybe don't let ai take full control. Instead it's a combo with human intervention
AI finds, human curates. Or manual better
It is person not people
That would require Microsoft to spend money, and everyone knows the giant corps are broke right? /s
we'll see if this one gets taken down too.
Came here to say this
it totally will
So, uhm... EULA violations are not enforceable, but even if they were, Microsoft would still be committing a crime here, no? This is not a copyright issue, so the DMCA is, by definition, not the correct way of doing it, and abusing it like this *could* get them sued (even if noone will do it, because they're way too big to be allowed to exist)
The hack itself might count as a copyright issue, since it's an unauthorized modification of copyrighted code.
However, I don't know if that means they have a case against the video creators, or just the people who wrote the hacks. Either way, I don't think anyone would be able to take Microsoft to court over it, since, unless I misremember, I recall hearing that MS was at one point able to beat the U.S. government in a legal battle by just... having so much money that they could pay for court costs longer than the government deemed it worth to do the same. A regular ordinary person would stand no chance.
It's messed up.
you are correct, microsoft has no right to the video content, and therefore cannot legally sue for copyright infringement. that means that this is abuse of the youtube copyright system. (correct me if i’m wrong)
Microsoft owns the copyright to Minecraft the game, including any gameplay footage. They choose not to enforce it the vast majority of the time but they're allowed to do it selectively however they like. In particular they choose to enforce it on content that breaks the EULA, so the issue with these videos is that it's inconsistent/surprising/damaging to the community rather than illegal.
I mean, they’re not _actually_ filing a DMCA suit here, they’re just asking youtube to remove it via their reporting system and youtube is removing it
@@speedstyle.daddy gates boots must taste rlly good, right buddy?
Hey Phoenix, thanks so much for the video! Been watching your videos for a long time, and ecstatic that I'm in one of them now :D
In terms of resolving the issues, it still hasn't happened yet, and I'm stuck at automated responses together with the fact that TH-cam is blocking my appeals due to me having submitted too many of them which was got flagged as 'suspicious behavior'.
Hope this gets fixed soon
looking for shadryt found u instead
Taking down Bedrock Edition LEGITIMATE client videos is insane, we distribute our clients via DLLs, and never even supply any sort of version of the game. I would fully understand hacked clients being removed, however legitimate clients which do not provide any advantage is insane.
Hello
Phoenix
See this
real onixclient
yeah ive tried onix, it just makes the game smoother and better without providing unfair competitive advantage and will probably keep more people playing minecraft, not sure what microsoft is doing here
Even hacked clients don't deserve to be taken down tbh
You know, this is actually really funny in a terrible way. An MMO I play (also run by Microsoft) just had to address some rumors that an AI moderation was being used, due to multiple players receiving bans for cursing in chat (it's an M rated game with an option to disable the chat filter) without having been reported.
Lmao fellow wow player spotted
Top 10 build hacks-
Minecraft: GET HIM
Who let the furry out of the basement 💀
@@GeneralKenobi69420a star wars virgin both hating on another furry virgin? Yeah my comment is stupid but seriously what are you trying to say here?
@@GeneralKenobi69420 ur mom
@@GeneralKenobi69420 who let your opinion out of the basement 💀
@@GeneralKenobi69420 please learn to focus on one topic at a time it’s very useful when talking to people
This is a crime... I really hope someone takes legal action against Microsoft, no one should let this massive company screw over small creators.
its a crime against microsoft to distribute client without autorization?) even if you are a small creator making a hacked client to promote being a minecraft cheater you should be banned
This is definitely not a crime
@@ns8465 it’s literally not against the eula, it’s that simple.
@@Alsry1 4:34
@@ns8465literally watch the rest of the video.
Also it says explicitly they’re allowed to ban or suspend service. Not submitting false copyright claims. Microsoft doesn’t even own youtube.
greaaaaat. now we gotta worry about a video that might be called something like "minecraft building life hacks for october" and suddenly getting flagged by a dumb AI
People said that we'd send too much junk into orbit and make space exploration impossible but nobody has thought of AI making internet useless
Not surprised. They already used AI for years. First was customer support, now this. And to those who think Customer support aint AI, look at the responses you get. Support straight up asked me to share account information with them such as my security questions, PW, etc when I wanted to ask about Migration as to why it took so long since I kept getting errors. But of course the secondary support website is also not actually run by humans. Dont remember the name itself but its a site that aparently connects you with gamers and staff via chat to see if you may come to a conclusion without the help of staff. Which would be fine if it wasnt for the fact that the site they used is an AI site. As in, chatbot AI.
idk if it was ai, but definitely bots. it's been a long time since humans have been the first point of contact for customer support
Rip Fitmc 😭
Lol
Fancy seeing you here PhoenixSC
It would be quite dubious for the peculiar PhoenixSC to make a dandy appeal to this "fancy" allegation, from forth this peculiar figure has thus lead to Phoenix's inevitable discipline of fancy.
@@ApersonbwompI doth agree, my good sir. It is indeed quite peculiar.🎩☕️🧐
@@nateB-l7k indubitably. 🧐☕️
Unwarranted strikes should have a penalty to copyright, so if Microsoft give 5 unwarranted strikes, they will be banned from flagging that same channel for 6 months and banned from copyrighting at all for 3 days
I also got a copyright strike a few days ago for the same reason! Although it has been removed now, being a Minecraft tutorial creator this is terrifying, 3 strikes at once and everything is over...
Imagine this video gets taken down because its title contains "hacked clients"
I did not expect seeing a high quality bright peenix face on my screen at midnight
here before this video get taken down
Reminds me of that time when that weird company masqueraded as Nintendo and struck a bunch of Kirby videos
"A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision"
Microsoft, April fools was 5 months ago (inspired by a comment on the movie teaser)
Somebody once said: Law dosent work backwards.
Microsoft:
Law works downwards, rich vs the poor
pretty micro, and pretty soft for Microsoft.
It doesn't matter if you breach EULA, which is a contract that you're forced into after paying money for a product. Strikes on TH-cam are meant for copywrited content, not for enforcing whatever rules Microsoft decides to make up.
Imagine telling people who never signed the EULA (because this is supposedly about people sharing *cracked clients* AKA those who never bought MC) that they are breaking the EULA.
Striking years-old videos is basically saying "I don't like what people are saying, so I'm going to change the rules so it can be taken down."
waiting to see if this video gets taken down thanks to the title
Maybe this will get people to move over to calling them "Cheat Clients" or "Utility Clients". The latter is one I prefer over "Hacked Client", as it more accurately describes what it does, as there isn't really any hacking being done. And with the former, it is a term some people have begun using to bypass certain filters and restrictions on platforms that don't want those kind of mods to be distributed there.
most of it would usually fall upon the former, as it is what it is a cheat, the word hack has been misused so much to the point that in this space its lost its intended meaning..
but, servers do have occasinally, different definitions for cheating, some outright allow it except certain features, and do so via server plugins, and some just disallow it alltogether.
Tuned? Upgraded? New experience?
I both hate the word "client" for both "hack clients" and "clients" like lunar or badlion, since it implies they are something different than other mods (they aren't)
independent of that I hate calling them "utility", since that tries to masks their purpose - which is usually cheating.
It also brings bad light to actual utility mods like recipe viewers (eg. JEI, REI, EMI), mods like waila that display what bock you are looking at, or mods like litematica.
tho I agree with you that calling them "hacks" isn't really appropriate in most cases, since the developers are the only ones hacking (if you are making them yourself for your own use imo it is fine to call them hacks, but if you are just downloading them, you are a more like a script kiddie than hacker)
Hacked clients are hacking in the truest sence of the word. And so are all other client side mods. You decompile minecraft, insert your own code and then you have a client that sends messages to the server normal clients cant send.
If you're interested in learning about hacking, watch liveoverflows series about minecraft (if it didn't get striked down)
The world trying not to become more dystopian challenge impossible
There are over ten thousand games and movies about corporate dystopias, and yet people still are shocked when they see it happen in real life, like they've never seen anything like it.
I know a youtuber doing some news and personal opinions about dramas that had received 30 strikes, he had to seek help from the company that cooperate with youtube to not get his channel deleted. In the end, they refused to help at the last strike and now he's gone (with another channel)
really?? thats a new low. even for Microsoft
I mean I get the reason but thats ridiculous, they should be aware of the issues with doing word banning like that
A big problem I have with all of this is what if you're making a video just documenting various hacks? There are many youtubers documenting just what the hacks do, the history of hacks, and various dangers, etc. They are not actually promoting the hacks. Also, there are probably many hacks that many people are completely fine with them being used, since they're being used fairly (this is speculation, though). Microsoft's AI can't tell the difference between "here's a malicious hack and here's how to get it" and "this is the history of a bunch of hacks."
The main thing I'm thinking about with this is that I'm not afraid of AI itself. AI is very clearly stupid, and can't do much at all when on its own. I am afraid of humans *putting* AI in charge, and then AI screwing up from there. This is exactly what's happening; Microsoft is putting a faulty AI in charge, and the AI is now screwing up and potentially ruining many youtubers' lives.
Basically what already is going on with TH-cam screwing over history channels because they report on historical events that are not advertiser friendly. TH-cam is not able to differentiate between a video discussing mere facts and a video that is being controversial for the sake of it.
Why should we expect a third party, Microsoft, to do any better when the tools they use are more limited, yet also threaten channel deletion?
Hacking isn't against the Minecraft EULA, there's no such thing as a 'malicious hack' and you're allowed to make videos promoting hacks. What's not allowed is _cracked_ clients which let you play without an account (piracy), and modded clients which contain a copy of minecraft itself rather than eg downloading a copy from mojang in the installer. The latter is quite common (even PaperMC is distributed as a monolithic package) so some of these videos might technically breach EULA, but their AI was presumably meant to focus on cracked clients as they would contact Paper/Meteor/etc directly if that was the problem.
As far as Companies are concerned, History is a threat to the bottom line.
I can’t wait for everyone to start saying hack Ed cloint to avoid copyright strikes
hecked customer 🔥🔥🔥
I am shocked of how much stuff mojang/microsoft are messing up rn
(Movie, strikes, etc)
You know, as an American, seeing this video at midnight and seeing your area so bright kinda confuses me but then I realize there’s other countries lmao
Also, Microsoft is kinda terrible on moderation and legal terms.
Bruh
As an Australian too I love this haha
Yes, it’s very bright outside at 3pm
Same, to me its 2 AM.
@@TheFlaxCompany
Guh
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅
Maybe we should replace "Hacked" with "Special" and "Client" with "Clientele" or one of these words or maybe just simply "Thingy so it would be "Special Thingy"
customer
buyer
purchaser
shopper
consumer
user
patient
patron
regular
habitué
frequenter
clientele
patronage
public
market
trade
business
punter
vendee
emptor
interface. special minecraft interface :3
@@generallyunimportant perfect
How I interpret "hacked versions or Modded Versions of the game client" is mods that bundle themselves with the .jar file for the version you are playing (look inside .minecraft/versions), which means that they distribute a modified version of the game client rather than just a separate mod that injects into the game at runtime using Fabric, Forge, etc.
Reminds me of when the whole coppa act was striking larger TH-camrs for having videos with swearing not being for kids and saw it had retroactively affected past videos , I was swearing while playing Minecraft for a few years and so I had deleted all of my videos at the time (in the moment I completely forgot about being able to private them so lost a 9k view video)
I don't think it's actually legally binding to strike content created with an account that didn't follow the EULA. That would be like blizzard taking down your twitter account for being naughty in WOW. The EULA cannot dictate the monitization or creation of content using the work. This is ultimately why steam won their lawsuits about the rights of ownership over dota, which started as a mod of another game that stated that mods could not be comercialised in the EULA. The courts deemed that you cannot dictate to players once they cease using your framework, which would extend to video creation, as that is beyond the purview of minecraft, and therefore microsoft.
They can strike the download pages and potentially people that promote the use of them (sketchy legal grounding there, with little legal precedent), but they cannot blanket ban content featuring, discussing or using hack clients. They can try to ban the minecraft accounts, but that is the limit of their reach in that regard. They should be more careful if they don't want to get sued.
The EULA _can_ dictate the creation of content using the work, they own copyright in all Minecraft gameplay footage and can enforce infringement selectively or equivalently grant you a limited/revocable licence to it as long as you follow the EULA. Dota was a mod that contained no copyrighted content from the base game
@@speedstyle. Legally speaking, they actually do not own the "copyright in all minecraft gameplay". That has never been proven in a court of law, meaning that is actually considered to be "legally grey", or in otherwords, not expressly legally binding.
They own the rights to the code, assets, models and artwork, but gameplay has never been proven to not be a transformative medium. Until there is sufficient case law on the subject, it is not legally binding, and can very easily be challenged in a court of law. They have to prove that gameplay counts as a market replacement for their product or service. Since you get a different experience from the product than you do from a video, they will likely lose that case. Something like a telltale game might actually win that case, though. This will likely cause a fracture in definitions that would lead to "interactive movies" and "video games" needing to be made distinct.
It's a risky game to play, too, since if microsoft loses, they will have even less control over the spread of "harmful" minecraft content, and if they win, people will stop making gameplay content for fear of being sued for making "market replacements" of the game in question.
@@Handles_AreStupid They do own (a, not the) copyright in all gameplay, but fair use might allow you to use it despite that copyright. It's also a defence which _you_ would have to prove, not vice versa. Whether it forms a market replacement is one important pillar of that but not the only one - I hope it does eventually get decided in that direction, but I couldn't predict for certain and until there is such a precedent they're within their rights to submit takedowns like these.
@@speedstyle. The problem is that they don't own the copyright to gameplay. Like I said, they own the copyright to everything else, but gameplay belongs to the one that filmed it. It's like how I can copyright a certain building style (irl) and have a copyrighted logo on it, but anyone that takes a picture suddenly owns the copyright of that work. I can't suddenly start striking photos off of the internet for containing "my copyright", because it has been transformed. This is why it will never go to court.
NAHHH I JUST GOT AN AD FOR MICROSOFT FLORA AI AT THE END OF THIS VIDEO
lmao
TH-cam needs to add something to their EULA about not using AI for strikes. That should be a permanent ban.
I also thought about a ban but I think you can still make copyright strikes even without an account. So this wouldn't work unfortunately....
They need to get black listed by the TH-cam support so every claim gets checked individually by a person.
It shouldn't matter if it's in the EULA or not. Mojang shouldn't have the ability to remove whatever video they want from TH-cam.
It would be the same as me going into a Walmart and breaking their rules or TOS or whatever, and then I get banned from Walmart _(which would be all fine and understandable of course)_ but then Walmart also had the ability to ban me from ever shopping in a GameStop again. It's not how the world should work.
So this is just as much on TH-cam as it is on Mojang.
Two things jump out at me after watching this video.
1. Microsoft are claming copyright violation for a game titled "MRK: Minecraft Game Copyright" (7:29) - but there's no such game. Let's be generous and assume they just meant "Minecraft".
2. Taking down videos with a copyright claim is total nonsense! The Minecraft EULA specifically allows videos to be shared.
Sure, hacked clients would break the EULA, and that could lead to Minecraft account deletion. TH-cam videos could be used as evidence of breaking the Minecraft EULA. But sending a copyright claim for videos mentioning such things? That's direct abuse of TH-cam's copyright systems.
So, anyone with such a strike should counter with something like:
>There's no such game as "MRK: Minecraft Game Copyright", but let's assume they meant "Minecraft".
>The Minecraft EULA specifically allows videos of game content to be uploaded.
>Therefore, the claim is not valid.
Microsoft are allowed to revoke that licence selectively and whenever they like. The issue is that they probably didn't mean to do it for these videos, not that they aren't within their rights to.
Microsoft taking down TH-cam videos feels weird. Why is it weird? It shouldn't be weird.
It's weird because all corporations seem to be run by morons. Who are all these idiots, and why are they in charge of anything at all?
They shouldn't be trusted with even a TV remote...
AI and automated systems should NOT be allowed to strike videos. Something that's so damaging to a channel, someone's livelihood, should not be determined through some machine trying to decide what is and isn't allowed based entirely on words and not the content itself. "AI" has become such a normalized thing in just a few years that it's honestly terrifying, and more people need to start pushing back against it, especially when jobs are on the line.
OMG Phoenix SC made a video of my post
When Microsoft bought Minecraft, they said they wanted it to last for 100 years.
This kind of stuff happening repeatedly is easily driving the game closer to dying out long before then.
Oh boy, I hope they'll fix that soon.
As a Minecraft creator, I've been hit with this TWICE
FunFact: Both of them were years old.
Yikes…
Tommyinnits "i paid 35$ for a minecraft hacked client" will *probably* be down because of microsofts bull crap
Minecraft could've been open source. Minecraft should've been open source. I am envious of the universe that got open source Minecraft.
Daily reminder that you will never be a w
minetest is open source and with the right mods its basically Minecraft.
Minecraft is source available though. Mojang provides deobfuscation mappings. Being open source wouldn't really benefit anyone. Do you think Mojang would take PRs from random students on GitHub? It would also only make the ratting and scam problems worse.
Not only the copyright System is faulty as anyone can abuse it, we also got AI strikes from a huge company due to random reasons
If this gets taken down that means it's real
Once again a giant coorperation killing a beloved franchise by their actions.
How
You haven’t even watched the whole video yet bro
@@ThatAsianPenguinbro's talking to himself
This is by no means going to kill the game
@@gesgald2266 Lol, but I was talking about how this dude posted his comment literally 1 minute after the video was posted. Like it’s an 8 minute video, there’s no way you watched it that fast and understand it
Bah microsoft are trash. Here I am trying to get my hacked account back and the system is saying that literal card info from a purchase, console network ID and other important info isn't enough to prove my identity... and the chat service gave a bot that said I would be contacted via email within 72 hours (3 days) and it's been over 3 weeks. With moving I haven't followed it up but still...
Friendly reminder that, unlike Windows 11, Linux does not require an online account to use, and does not shove all your data up into Microsoft's servers.
@@Cyfrikbut those people will continue using windows, it's pointless trying to change their mind
@@Sand_WraithPL There's always a chance someone listens, whether that's the person being addressed, or someone else scrolling through the comments who doesn't know better options exist, or just needs a push in the right direction.
@@Cyfrik A friendly reminder, unlike consoles, computers do not require an online account to use, this includes Windows 11
@@Jamer-lc3vv On a technicality, yes. In practice, avoiding an online account on Windows these days is a hidden fallback option that you can only choose if you haven't connected your computer to the web when the setup process asked you to. At least that's how it was in Win10 (which is the last Windows I used), and as far as I've heard (without knowing the exact details), Win11 has put in even more obstacles you need to loophole your way through to get to that fallback option.
One of the forbidden clients being “modded game clients” is really terrifying to think about how far they might start taking the wording there…
i hope that "other game companies " will not "copy" this thing and will start removing all "unwanted; unfavorite " game video content (here on YT) from "their" game ...
This video's title has the keywords in it lmao, beware peenix
Oh I bet he did it intentionally
@@VideoGameMontagination true
This demonstrates a huge flaw with using AI to copyright, and with the copyright strike process in place. Seems like AI can trigger a copyfraud class action lawsuit. Well done Microsoft.
Any software engineer can tell you that testing in production is a quick, easy way to have a bad time.
microsoft abusing copyright system is crazy
Goofy ahh microsoft, its so micro, and soft
"edge me til my MicroSoft" 😂
@@HFIAPY wtf
Bro why the most braindead comment got so many likes😭😭
@@SekiroKVXbecause kids & teenagers are stupid*
@@SekiroKVX im asking you lil skibidi.
Yet another reason why the copyright system of TH-cam sucks
atp, it won't be a matter of time til Microsoft copyright strikes anyone who makes minecraft videos
Official Minecraft Trailer: “No one can tell you what you can and cannot do.”
Microjang:
This makes me pretty iffy about the 3-strike system as well.
In the future, there will surely be more large corps making mistakes like this and getting away with it, so three simple copyright strikes shouldn't DELETE a channel. Maybe 5 strikes could have video uploading locked(still completely appealable). But at this point, I'm not even sure if TH-cam still has anyone who knows how to code that
i love being Polish and seeing this vide in the morning.
I love being American and seeing this past midnight
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idealne do rozbudzenia się przed szkołą
Fyi phoenix is a European c:
@@projectkepleren he's australian
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here before video gets taken down
You know it's a good sign when Microsoft is relying on or copying TH-cam's VERY reliable AI algorithm that definitely has not made any mistakes whatsoever
Compared to what they are actually using, TH-cam's copystriking AI is practically a genius.
Copyright striking systems should NOT be done by AI. Sure flag the video by AI but issuing the copyright strike should 100% be done manual/by human
I like this, it's a step in the right direction for helping stop hacks!
And that one that was taken down may not have been hacks, but it did sound like it could be. They brought it back up after further inspection.
Just be careful how you word things.
(However, if its the case, these would be no reason to delete a channel. Just the video.)
"hacking" doesnt inherently mean you're doing it with a malicious intention. hacked clients in minecraft is the same thing as mods.