Trust me, you do not want metal to metal contact. When you are playing, you can here the scraping of the two. A cymbal sleeve is a must because if you don’t use one, you will keyhole your cymbal. It doesn’t matter what you believe, it is just the facts.
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Why would you want metal to metal contact between your cymbal and stand regardless of threading? I fell like I must be missing something because I've never had a cymbal stand in 25 yrs of playing that didn't have some sort of plastic/resin barrier to prevent this.
@@YakulDeath I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, it's hard to tell through text.... But there is zero way that metal-on-metal contact between the post and the cymbal isn't going to cause issues.... threaded or not.
@@matthewg4556 oh yeah 100% sarcastic haha. I don’t know how this video got into my recommendeds but it’s wild. Definitely use the sleeves that come with the stands. I don’t know why he says they’re expensive. They’re a few dollars each at most and last years.
@@alexgrivette8258ya know, I must’ve clicked off before he got there. I don’t know why he mentions doing it that way 2nd. Using the sleeves like that is the best way lol
One more thing....go to any hardware store and get clear PVC tubing 1 foot. Cut in lengths to allow the wing nut to stop near the top of the threading when put on. Install these lengths of tubing by using dish soap on the threaded rod if it is tight. If not, don't worry about it. Been doing this for decades on old Ludwig stands. No metal against the cymbal. Of course, if you like key holes, that's up to y'all.
I've used round, white Bic pens in a pinch. Pretty specific hack as it only works on the narrower rods and you need one of those pens and a way to cut it, but lasts indefinitely and if it saves one cymbal then my work here is done lol
Always use a plastic or rubber sleeve to cover the stem of the cymbal stand. If you allow metal to metal contact between the cymbal hole and stand stem, you will ruin the cymbal by causing the center of the cymbal hole to "Key Hole". ( wear the round hole to an oblong hole) I've seen $300 cymbals destroyed without the drummer even knowing.
Sometimes I use a plastic pen, take all the parts off and cut the barrel to the length I need. When you have a pen that runs out of ink save it for your cymbals.
Metal vibrating against metal = risk of eventual keyholing It's that simple. Pay $5 for a pack of 4 sleeves and they'll last a couple years. Or use the shaft from a cheap pen. It's not hard
I used a plastic or rubber sleeve to cover the stem of the cymbal stand, then plastic or rubber domed washer. This held the cymbals an no flying cymbal wing nuts. I did this with all cymbals, except the hi hat.
I can hear the cymbal making contact with the stand, that will pick up in recording. Ive been using felts and plastic screw on cymbal holders for almost 40 yrs. No metal to metal contact and You can easily adjust your cymbal movement. Also on h h clutches that are completely threaded, you can use electrical tape over the threaded portion where the cymbal goes to keep from ovaling out hole on top cymbal. I guess everyone has a different method.
My biggest issue mounting cymbals was with a large china cymbal I had in the 90's with a deep cup. It was mounted vertical instead of horizontal and was heavy. Washers kept warping and bending. I ended up using an even longer sleeve and a spring and round cap wingnut special made for it. The wrong washers and mounting can damage a china splash or rancan quite quickly. All perfect takes on keeping the cymbals looking and sounding great. Great video!
I have been playing for decades. All my cymbals are professional brands. All my cymbals are tilted mechanically. I use plastic sleeves and top and bottom felts AND top and bottom metal washers. I have recorded in the studio and have played out - tighter rides, looser crashes. Point: Every once in a while, you will wear through the sleeve and cause a little wear. A small keyhole in a cymbal DOES NOT RUIN IT. It sounds exactly the same with a new plastic sleeve. Much to do about very little. Peace.
I would have led with using a sleeve. Metal on metal bad. Use a sleeve, small felt on bottom, cymbal, felt on top (appropriate size, not just large) then nut. If you use a large on top it may be too tight and you'll get cracked cymbals, that's why I said appropriate size. The cymbal needs to deflect but not hit the wing nut.
i have no clew why this stupid video went viral, or why youtube decided to only push out this video, i have over a hundred videos and the algorithm decided to pump this video out when i have so many better videos. o well, it helped me pick up 200 subs.
I've always worked in industrial shops and there's always pneumatic hose handy... The best is 3/8 or 10mm OD polyurethane hose... It fits tightly around the stem but just under the diameter of a cymbal hole. It's very tough slippery plastic and very cheap. I always keep a foot or so in my gig bag if I loose a sleeve. I can easily cut a new one with my pocket knife and I can cut it to just the right length so I can tighten the wingnut against it yet keep the cymbal/felt assembly to the tightness I want!! If that's not your line of work, I'm sure you know someone or know someone who knows someone that can hook you up!! And seriously, a foot or two of the stuff will last you a while!!
Thanks man, i will check into that, im still trying to find some kinda solution for the broken sleeves that were on the used cymbal stands i got, so i just kinda go without for now till i get some. You will be surprised the comments i got coming in, people are outraged. But this is my most viral video ever! Finaly after 4 years of no subscriptions i got over 300. Its about time.
@@Prizmatic1658you can even use sewing thread to wrap around the stand post for protection. I get extra tubing from the hardware store just to have. You can cut a pop bottle into strips and wrap that around as well!
You liked that 🙂 i wanted to do this video because i was such a bone head for a long time, and just never took the time or cared about the different parts to safely mount a plate, not just stack felts on felts cause i didn't have a washer lol 😂
I've been mounting my cymbals on the metal cupped washer. But I always had the clear hose like sleeve go down to the bottom. This sleeve only came up to start of threads, then thin felt down to washer, then cymbal, thick felt and wing nut tightened to hit top of sleeve. This set up has worked for me since the 70's, cymbal has full motion, cymbal hole never damaged and nut has never loosened. Just fine.
Or: Go with this method. Cymbal sleeve to prevent Key-Holing on the hole of the cymbal, small felt on the bottom (I use a thick one for my China Crash because otherwise it moves too much), Cymbal goes on top of that, then a thicker felt, Depending on how much motion and swing you want your cymbal to have, and then use Cymbal mates or cymbal clamps so that it being loose on the thread isn't an issue because they squeeze the thread if the stand and keep it tight. Protect you cymbals guys!
I ran out of felts for stands but had some of the old hi hat ones I was throwing out. but needed to mount a cymbal on a no felt stand. I just filled the space with the grafting tape I always have nearby.
I have been using Grombal cymbal sleeves for 10 years and their design is far superior to felt cushions and wing nuts. You mount them onto the cymbal and slide your cymbal on top of the stand. Allows cymbal to vibrate freely without felt muffling the tone and protects from any metal to metal contact.
The only two cents that I'll provide is that, in my experience, with larger felts (top and/or bottom), I find that the cymbal doesn't move as freely and naturally. Smaller felts just seem to work better and let the cymbal motion flow more smoothly, i.e., more range of motion. If you want less (perhaps to clinch and tighten up the sound of a china), larger felts seem to work better in that application because they clamp down the cymbal more effectively.
I do agree with you saying that you should put small felts on the bottom to have as much room on the top, but i don't agree with you saying that you don't need the rubber sleeve part. The reason that cymbals come with those in the first place is so that the cymbal isn't clashing on metal. What ultimately happens if you play for a long time without the rubber is cracks start to form at the center hole. And also, the top felt doesn't necessarily need to tightened all the way. It really depends on the setting that you as a drummer are playing in. If you're a jazz drummer that's trying to go for a lot of crash and ride texture, you may not tighten the nut as much or don't tighten it at without a felt, since the top felt determines how much the cymbal tone is muffled. Overall, good video for beginners but I just wanted to state about the rubber since cymbals are expensive and I don't want drummers being mistaken and damaging the cymbals.
My Yamaha YD700 kit came with those little plastic things, and i put the small felt, cymbal, then big felt, because the big felt kept the wingnut from unscrewing when you got it tight enough. I figured this out when I was a dumb 15 year old kid lol
yea good tip however i still don't like my cymbals rubbin' up against any kind of metal as well either i would get one of those black washer things which covers up tha metal part but i would have to try out those smaller felts on tha bottom method if i don't have a choice
I always install a little piece of plastic pipe to insulate my cymbal from the stand, and I also have one-piece bottom washers with the plastic pipe already there which does the two jobs at the same time. I also put a plastic washer on top of the top felt. I’ve never had my wing nuts back off, and also, why would you want your cymbals rattling against your stand?
You’d think this would be common sense, but it’s really not. Seems to me that most cymbal stands these days come with two large felts and they try to make the plastic part the adjustable part. But then you can’t tighten the nut down all the way. Thanks so much for the aha moment.
I use those cymbal sleeves a lot come’s in handy. Basically thair hard plastic I don’t know if you can by hard rubber sleeves because if you have mallets and it will vibrate unless you put a rubber tubing inside the sleeves 🤔
Either way there should be a protective plastic sleeve between the cymbal and metal post. Otherwise you will hear the metal on metal and may get some keyholing or cracking over time.
First flip you’re metal washer over with the dome facing down. This will allow more space for the felt fit properly and allow more space for the cymbal to sit better below the threading. Most common company brand stands have some sort of plastic sleeves to help protect from metal to metal contact. Also I don’t like to have my cymbals that loose and bouncing around. Specially when you have multiple of cymbals close in next to each other that they will flap around and hitting you’re other cymbals.
Myself. I first put down. The wide beveled, rounded washer Then a thin cushion. Then a plastic mini tube. Then the cymbal. Then a thick felt. Then a wide round washer. Then the wingnut. & I tighten all the way! & I do it, this way! Cause! Almost every drum set! That I was asked. To help set up. Were set up Like mine. Cause that's where. I learned it from. When I was 1 of up to 150, Local Concert Working Crew. + I was also. 1 of only 8, Local Concert Show Call Stage Hand Working Crew. + after I was asked To help set up Peter Criss' drum set. For the 1996 KISS Alive World Wide Tour Concert. + I was also asked. To do the Pre Sound Check. At Saskatoon Canada's. Saskatchewan Place. So after working for KISS! I was now. The Local Concert Working Drum Tech. +! I didn't even own! A drum set! Hahaha As I always used. My elementary & high school's drum sets. But! All because I helped set up. Peter Criss' drum set. I was now asked. Sometimes asked. To help set up drum sets. For bands like KISS Cheap Trick 2 for Aerosmith + AC/DC Alice Cooper Motley Crue + I fixed Def Leppard's Rick Allen's e-drum set + KORN Pantera Reba McEntire Brooks & Dunn Garth Brooks that had a dome Over the drummer's drum set. + Dwight Yokum & many many more. As the Local Concert Working Drum Tech. So if anything! Try my way. Just one time. I can almost guarantee! That your cymbals. Will still be. Very free moving. & so one knows. Not all cymbal stand top ends. Are not all the same! Some may need to be fudged w. Just a lil. & now! You will now have! A crisper sound. Or not! Hahahaha Anyways, just a thought😁💯
thanks for writing in! that is awesome you got to set up all those drum kits for those professional players, that is a real honor my friend! thanks again for writing into me..
@@Prizmatic1658 lol not all of us are aware of this. Since a young age I just thought you place a washer down and felt on top for your cymbal to lay on and another felt on top to prevent metal on metal contact. What other tricks you got up your sleeve ?
You might be joking, so I certainly don’t want to tell you what to do! But just incase, always use some sort of sleeve. It’s not great for your cymbals to let the mounting hole to touch the stand. It won’t sound as good, might get a rattling sound, and can eventually ruin your cymbal.
Metal on metal will ALWAYS keyhole a cymbal, and it’s noisy. Use a nylon sleeve. You can still play the silly felt thickness game if you like, but do it with a nylon sleeve.
Great Video Jeff. Please people..watch the whole video before commenting....He does use and show/explain to us, the plastic/nylon sleeves around the 4:00 mark. We ALL agree that using nothing will keyhole your cymbal(s).. and noisy too... Not Good. I'm a new drummer..instead of felts..I have been using silicone/rubber as cymbal(s) spacing.... Also I have been looking at Cympad Chromatic. Has anybody use these before if yes.. How do you like them..or not..??? Be Safe..!!
Thanks for your comment Dave. Finally, someone who gets it.. i don't have sleeves cause they all worn off, and i never bought more, the people are missing the sleeve seat part. You are very smart my friend.
Bronze is a softer material than steel, therefore; the cymbal will wear. Never put metal to metal. I use, and have for too long; yamaha stands with the one piece washer/sleeve. One felt on the bottom, cymbal then tightened wing nut against the sleeve with no top felt.
I had a cymbal that stayed in one place for so long that all the pivoting it did wore a groove into the hole. Basically making it look like a key hole. That was bc I had no plastic sleeve on the pin where the wing nut goes.
I use for 40 years now the Tama Titan, Stilt and Roadpro stands and there are standard wing nuts, cymbal mates in plastic. There is no contact between your stand and your cymbal. That’s the problem with the cheaper ones. Better to spend a lot more money and have professional stuff. Otherwise you can give your money to buy new cymbals ….
So I have Been doing it right the whole time, idk, seems obvious to me. Maybe it's because I work construction and have always had a very high mechanical aptitude. But it's just always seemed so obvious that the threads will do allot of damage to cymbals. And also that restricting too much movement of the cymbal is also bad for durability, and more importantly sound.
Don't get me wrong though, I do appreciate the video. I know well enough not everybody catches on to what another may see as obvious. I do it myself, just not usually with stuff like this.
“You have been mounting your cymbals wrong” - buddy, you still are. Man, you really should just take down this video. It’s full of such terrible advice which will end up causing a lot of damage to cymbals of inexperienced players who end up following it.
This is detrimental on so many levels. It also does not take into account certain brands and their specific designs. Yamaha stands are designed to use a large felt on the top and bottom. They have a sleeve/seat that is long enough to accommodate this. DW, however, is designed to use a small felt on the top and bottom. They employ a moveable sleeve/seat system to change your cymbal movement. Please please please, going forward, learn about your subject before you attempt to teach. People will assume you're telling them the truth. It's not fair to them for you to speak poorly and derail their growth/education. Knowledge is extraordinarily powerful. A lack of knowledge is often even more powerful...in a bad way.
Sorry but this is plain wrong. You need to protect the cymbal hole from metal-to-metal contact. Rubber hose, smooth plastic hose, etc. will suffice and protect the cymbal. You can hear the cymbal and stand hitting. This is a bad idea, folks!
Subscribed to your channel, learnt something today...Can u do one on HIGH HAT Cymbals, the bottom one, felts under or just metal washer, and the top cymbals, felts under and above etc?..Thanks
Thanks Boss! sure, I may do another quick video about that. stay tuned, I am working on a very special video about roc-n-soc thrones. I got one in and im going to unbox one and put a back rest on it..
Flat washer drum beater head rubber washer cymbal rubber washer flat washer wing nut, felts absorbs sounds rubber bounces sounds while also preventing and metal on metal contact, you’re welcome
“That’s how you mount a cymbal correctly “ according to who?😂 I live videos of people who think they educating others when they’re really just spreading ignorance but too arrogant to realize it , it’s like saying I’m gonna help you but not knowing how to help but acting like you do instead of just saying idk how to help, disastrous catastrophic consequences that could’ve been avoided simply by making your statement a matter of your own opinion instead of trying to push it as cold hard facts
Buy the Yamaha cymbal stand tilt sleeves, they are threaded so they screw down and lock in place. Sounds like you're talking to a 6 year old, this stuff isn't rocket science, It's common sense. Metal on metal is NEVER an option, period!! Any new drummer should buy themselves a pack of extra felts and plastic cymbal sleeves, and keep a roll of electric tape in your emergency parts bag.
Duh. Where is the sleeve? This is NOT the proper way of protecting your cymbal. Therefore, the lack of a plastic or rubber tube sleeve is ridiculous and poor instruction.
@@beatnicksbeats OK so he says about the sleeve later on. So the second part was good advice. The first part was terrible advice. You'll keyhole ur cymbals in no time
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Trust me, you do not want metal to metal contact. When you are playing, you can here the scraping of the two. A cymbal sleeve is a must because if you don’t use one, you will keyhole your cymbal. It doesn’t matter what you believe, it is just the facts.
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Why would you want metal to metal contact between your cymbal and stand regardless of threading? I fell like I must be missing something because I've never had a cymbal stand in 25 yrs of playing that didn't have some sort of plastic/resin barrier to prevent this.
He doesn’t believe in them so obviously the stands can’t keyhole his cymbals.
@@YakulDeath I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, it's hard to tell through text.... But there is zero way that metal-on-metal contact between the post and the cymbal isn't going to cause issues.... threaded or not.
@@matthewg4556 oh yeah 100% sarcastic haha. I don’t know how this video got into my recommendeds but it’s wild. Definitely use the sleeves that come with the stands. I don’t know why he says they’re expensive. They’re a few dollars each at most and last years.
4:18 he talks about a sleeve/washer combo that works for that issue.
@@alexgrivette8258ya know, I must’ve clicked off before he got there. I don’t know why he mentions doing it that way 2nd. Using the sleeves like that is the best way lol
One more thing....go to any hardware store and get clear PVC tubing 1 foot. Cut in lengths to allow the wing nut to stop near the top of the threading when put on. Install these lengths of tubing by using dish soap on the threaded rod if it is tight. If not, don't worry about it. Been doing this for decades on old Ludwig stands. No metal against the cymbal. Of course, if you like key holes, that's up to y'all.
I've used round, white Bic pens in a pinch. Pretty specific hack as it only works on the narrower rods and you need one of those pens and a way to cut it, but lasts indefinitely and if it saves one cymbal then my work here is done lol
That's an EXCELLENT idea mate.
Always use a plastic or rubber sleeve to cover the stem of the cymbal stand. If you allow metal to metal contact between the cymbal hole and stand stem, you will ruin the cymbal by causing the center of the cymbal hole to "Key Hole". ( wear the round hole to an oblong hole) I've seen $300 cymbals destroyed without the drummer even knowing.
Sometimes I use a plastic pen, take all the parts off and cut the barrel to the length I need. When you have a pen that runs out of ink save it for your cymbals.
i see, thanks my friend!
Great video for new drummers to learn from.🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Thanks my friend! That is exactly what this video was designed for, the new drummer.
Metal vibrating against metal = risk of eventual keyholing
It's that simple. Pay $5 for a pack of 4 sleeves and they'll last a couple years. Or use the shaft from a cheap pen. It's not hard
I used a plastic or rubber sleeve to cover the stem of the cymbal stand, then plastic or rubber domed washer.
This held the cymbals an no flying cymbal wing nuts.
I did this with all cymbals, except the hi hat.
I can hear the cymbal making contact with the stand, that will pick up in recording. Ive been using felts and plastic screw on cymbal holders for almost 40 yrs. No metal to metal contact and You can easily adjust your cymbal movement. Also on h h clutches that are completely threaded, you can use electrical tape over the threaded portion where the cymbal goes to keep from ovaling out hole on top cymbal. I guess everyone has a different method.
Sleeves. Always. And the Tama Quick Release Nuts. I have 12 of them for all my 8mm cymbal stands so i can adjust the exact amount of wobble i want.
Thanks for sharing!
My biggest issue mounting cymbals was with a large china cymbal I had in the 90's with a deep cup. It was mounted vertical instead of horizontal and was heavy. Washers kept warping and bending. I ended up using an even longer sleeve and a spring and round cap wingnut special made for it. The wrong washers and mounting can damage a china splash or rancan quite quickly. All perfect takes on keeping the cymbals looking and sounding great. Great video!
Drum side quest completed. The elder wise man has granted you 10+ knowledge points.
I have been playing for decades. All my cymbals are professional brands. All my cymbals are tilted mechanically. I use plastic sleeves and top and bottom felts AND top and bottom metal washers. I have recorded in the studio and have played out - tighter rides, looser crashes. Point: Every once in a while, you will wear through the sleeve and cause a little wear. A small keyhole in a cymbal DOES NOT RUIN IT. It sounds exactly the same with a new plastic sleeve. Much to do about very little. Peace.
I would have led with using a sleeve. Metal on metal bad.
Use a sleeve, small felt on bottom, cymbal, felt on top (appropriate size, not just large) then nut. If you use a large on top it may be too tight and you'll get cracked cymbals, that's why I said appropriate size. The cymbal needs to deflect but not hit the wing nut.
i have no clew why this stupid video went viral, or why youtube decided to only push out this video, i have over a hundred videos and the algorithm decided to pump this video out when i have so many better videos. o well, it helped me pick up 200 subs.
I've always worked in industrial shops and there's always pneumatic hose handy... The best is 3/8 or 10mm OD polyurethane hose... It fits tightly around the stem but just under the diameter of a cymbal hole. It's very tough slippery plastic and very cheap. I always keep a foot or so in my gig bag if I loose a sleeve. I can easily cut a new one with my pocket knife and I can cut it to just the right length so I can tighten the wingnut against it yet keep the cymbal/felt assembly to the tightness I want!! If that's not your line of work, I'm sure you know someone or know someone who knows someone that can hook you up!! And seriously, a foot or two of the stuff will last you a while!!
Thanks man, i will check into that, im still trying to find some kinda solution for the broken sleeves that were on the used cymbal stands i got, so i just kinda go without for now till i get some. You will be surprised the comments i got coming in, people are outraged. But this is my most viral video ever! Finaly after 4 years of no subscriptions i got over 300. Its about time.
@@Prizmatic1658you can even use sewing thread to wrap around the stand post for protection. I get extra tubing from the hardware store just to have. You can cut a pop bottle into strips and wrap that around as well!
Bro. The sarcastic way you're talking is literally for my dumb ass lol. Thank you for taking the time to post this because I really did need it. 😂
You liked that 🙂 i wanted to do this video because i was such a bone head for a long time, and just never took the time or cared about the different parts to safely mount a plate, not just stack felts on felts cause i didn't have a washer lol 😂
Thank you. I've been using thick felts top and bottom. Now my cymbals will last longer by using thin felt at bottom!!🤘👍
Glad to help!
Great Informational Video. Thanks!
I've been mounting my cymbals on the metal cupped washer. But I always had the clear hose like sleeve go down to the bottom. This sleeve only came up to start of threads, then thin felt down to washer, then cymbal, thick felt and wing nut tightened to hit top of sleeve. This set up has worked for me since the 70's, cymbal has full motion, cymbal hole never damaged and nut has never loosened. Just fine.
Or: Go with this method. Cymbal sleeve to prevent Key-Holing on the hole of the cymbal, small felt on the bottom (I use a thick one for my China Crash because otherwise it moves too much), Cymbal goes on top of that, then a thicker felt, Depending on how much motion and swing you want your cymbal to have, and then use Cymbal mates or cymbal clamps so that it being loose on the thread isn't an issue because they squeeze the thread if the stand and keep it tight. Protect you cymbals guys!
Typically don’t comment like this - BUT to save people worn and damaged cymbals + Money. Don’t do this folks… protect your gear like a professional.
I thought so at 1st...then I watch the whole video..around the 4:00 mark....He does explain/show the plastic/nylon sleeve.
Thanks. I use a plastic sleeve, felt on bottom and nothing (no felt or nut) up top. Lets them sing and reduces opportunity for cracking.
How to keyhole and crack your cymbals 101
I ran out of felts for stands but had some of the old hi hat ones I was throwing out. but needed to mount a cymbal on a no felt stand. I just filled the space with the grafting tape I always have nearby.
I have been using Grombal cymbal sleeves for 10 years and their design is far superior to felt cushions and wing nuts. You mount them onto the cymbal and slide your cymbal on top of the stand. Allows cymbal to vibrate freely without felt muffling the tone and protects from any metal to metal contact.
Thanks Bill, I am going to check out that product.
The only two cents that I'll provide is that, in my experience, with larger felts (top and/or bottom), I find that the cymbal doesn't move as freely and naturally. Smaller felts just seem to work better and let the cymbal motion flow more smoothly, i.e., more range of motion. If you want less (perhaps to clinch and tighten up the sound of a china), larger felts seem to work better in that application because they clamp down the cymbal more effectively.
Yes you are exactly rite! Use 2 large felts if you wanna sinch down a china tight. Having both sizes and a good washer will get you the best fit👍
@@Prizmatic1658 Yep, it seems to work well for that.
Richie Hayward, for one, kept his cymbal-swing limited so multiple strikes were more accurate as opposed to 'chasing after' an erratic disc.
@@nathanielnicholson559 you are exactly rite my friend. Finally, someone who get it.
I do agree with you saying that you should put small felts on the bottom to have as much room on the top, but i don't agree with you saying that you don't need the rubber sleeve part. The reason that cymbals come with those in the first place is so that the cymbal isn't clashing on metal. What ultimately happens if you play for a long time without the rubber is cracks start to form at the center hole. And also, the top felt doesn't necessarily need to tightened all the way. It really depends on the setting that you as a drummer are playing in. If you're a jazz drummer that's trying to go for a lot of crash and ride texture, you may not tighten the nut as much or don't tighten it at without a felt, since the top felt determines how much the cymbal tone is muffled. Overall, good video for beginners but I just wanted to state about the rubber since cymbals are expensive and I don't want drummers being mistaken and damaging the cymbals.
So many keyholes out there... :(
I've known no other way until now. That is the true mind blowing-ness of it.
lmao!
Very helpful thanx for sharing
My Yamaha YD700 kit came with those little plastic things, and i put the small felt, cymbal, then big felt, because the big felt kept the wingnut from unscrewing when you got it tight enough.
I figured this out when I was a dumb 15 year old kid lol
yes sir! me to, i just smartened up. im a bone head.
yea good tip however i still don't like my cymbals rubbin' up against any kind of metal as well either i would get one of those black washer things which covers up tha metal part but i would have to try out those smaller felts on tha bottom method if i don't have a choice
I always install a little piece of plastic pipe to insulate my cymbal from the stand, and I also have one-piece bottom washers with the plastic pipe already there which does the two jobs at the same time. I also put a plastic washer on top of the top felt. I’ve never had my wing nuts back off, and also, why would you want your cymbals rattling against your stand?
There’s 6 minutes of my life I’ll never get back.
Thanks, man 🤘
Great way to crack..and keyhole your cymbals..
Tightening the wing nut down so the cymbal can’t move freely is how you get keyhole cracks.
Good info. Those plastic cymbal cups can prevent damage as well
"Screw The NUT All The Way Down" 😂
You’d think this would be common sense, but it’s really not. Seems to me that most cymbal stands these days come with two large felts and they try to make the plastic part the adjustable part. But then you can’t tighten the nut down all the way. Thanks so much for the aha moment.
I use those cymbal sleeves a lot come’s in handy. Basically thair hard plastic I don’t know if you can by hard rubber sleeves because if you have mallets and it will vibrate unless you put a rubber tubing inside the sleeves 🤔
I miss the old tama nuts/sleeve in one peice. Didn't need a top felt. Worked great. Durable.
Be sure to watch till the half way point to hear about the beloved cymbal sleeves. Thanks to all my viewers for helping my channel grow!
Even the hi-hats cymbals, same thing on top cymbal holder; They rub against metal threads if you don't tape the threads.
I use the plastic sleeve with the felt in between them.
what do you need washers for? just curious cause like my stand didn't come with a washer
Depends on the stand. If your stand didn’t come with one then it’s most likely using plastic there instead.
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I liked the part when you threaded the nut
lmao!
I always use a nylon sleeve on my stands. No metal to metal contact.
Lol, when loss prevention steps in to help the drum department at guitar center
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Now, lemme get this straight you put de lime in de coconut, you drank ‘em bot’ up?
Yes sir! 😁
Either way there should be a protective plastic sleeve between the cymbal and metal post. Otherwise you will hear the metal on metal and may get some keyholing or cracking over time.
First flip you’re metal washer over with the dome facing down. This will allow more space for the felt fit properly and allow more space for the cymbal to sit better below the threading. Most common company brand stands have some sort of plastic sleeves to help protect from metal to metal contact. Also I don’t like to have my cymbals that loose and bouncing around. Specially when you have multiple of cymbals close in next to each other that they will flap around and hitting you’re other cymbals.
Myself. I first put down. The wide beveled, rounded washer Then a thin cushion. Then a plastic mini tube. Then the cymbal. Then a thick felt. Then a wide round washer. Then the wingnut. & I tighten all the way! & I do it, this way! Cause! Almost every drum set! That I was asked. To help set up. Were set up Like mine. Cause that's where. I learned it from. When I was 1 of up to 150, Local Concert Working Crew. + I was also. 1 of only 8, Local Concert Show Call Stage Hand Working Crew. + after I was asked To help set up Peter Criss' drum set. For the 1996 KISS Alive World Wide Tour Concert. + I was also asked. To do the Pre Sound Check. At Saskatoon Canada's. Saskatchewan Place. So after working for KISS! I was now. The Local Concert Working Drum Tech. +! I didn't even own! A drum set! Hahaha As I always used. My elementary & high school's drum sets. But! All because I helped set up. Peter Criss' drum set. I was now asked. Sometimes asked. To help set up drum sets. For bands like KISS Cheap Trick 2 for Aerosmith + AC/DC Alice Cooper Motley Crue + I fixed Def Leppard's Rick Allen's e-drum set + KORN Pantera Reba McEntire Brooks & Dunn Garth Brooks that had a dome Over the drummer's drum set. + Dwight Yokum & many many more. As the Local Concert Working Drum Tech. So if anything! Try my way. Just one time. I can almost guarantee! That your cymbals. Will still be. Very free moving. & so one knows. Not all cymbal stand top ends. Are not all the same! Some may need to be fudged w. Just a lil. & now! You will now have! A crisper sound. Or not! Hahahaha Anyways, just a thought😁💯
thanks for writing in! that is awesome you got to set up all those drum kits for those professional players, that is a real honor my friend! thanks again for writing into me..
You're so very welcome! & thank you! 😁
Dont forget the nylon tube for protection
I'd always flip my wing nuts upside down.
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You got it, right brother. I went to see my buddies band last weekend and watched him keep twisting the wing nuts after every song.
Actually, he got it wrong ….
@@jeffholmes2459 VERY wrong.
yes! i had that problem for a long time till i screwed it down as far as it goes, lol i am a bone head!
Yoy just discovered America!
what is the height/diameter of the thinner felts? What is the height/diameter of the thicker felts?
I use the black plastic tubes that comes with dog poop bags..no nuts.
Mind blown
@@Prizmatic1658 lol not all of us are aware of this. Since a young age I just thought you place a washer down and felt on top for your cymbal to lay on and another felt on top to prevent metal on metal contact. What other tricks you got up your sleeve ?
@@DRUMMERMIKE thank you sir. your Alice and chains cover was good. good job brother, keep it up.
@@Prizmatic1658 thanks man I appreciate that
Do I need the sleeve or can I play without it.
You might be joking, so I certainly don’t want to tell you what to do! But just incase, always use some sort of sleeve. It’s not great for your cymbals to let the mounting hole to touch the stand. It won’t sound as good, might get a rattling sound, and can eventually ruin your cymbal.
That’s why they started making plastic protectors
Where your cymbal touches plastic
i see, thanks.
Good point! Thanks! 🎓
You're welcome brother, i never used wing nuts before because they were missing, but they are essential to hold the plates down..
Metal on metal will ALWAYS keyhole a cymbal, and it’s noisy. Use a nylon sleeve. You can still play the silly felt thickness game if you like, but do it with a nylon sleeve.
missing the cymbal sleeve which protects from the threading.
Great Video Jeff.
Please people..watch the whole video before commenting....He does use and show/explain to us, the plastic/nylon sleeves around the 4:00 mark.
We ALL agree that using nothing will keyhole your cymbal(s).. and noisy too... Not Good.
I'm a new drummer..instead of felts..I have been using silicone/rubber as cymbal(s) spacing.... Also I have been looking at Cympad Chromatic. Has anybody use these before if yes.. How do you like them..or not..???
Be Safe..!!
Thanks for your comment Dave. Finally, someone who gets it.. i don't have sleeves cause they all worn off, and i never bought more, the people are missing the sleeve seat part. You are very smart my friend.
Good info. Thanks. I've got a lot of $ tied up in a mix of A & K. Sure don't want to damage.
zildjian A and K are my favorite cymbals! i really like the fast crashes the best, thanks for commenting my friend!
Bronze is a softer material than steel, therefore; the cymbal will wear. Never put metal to metal. I use, and have for too long; yamaha stands with the one piece washer/sleeve. One felt on the bottom, cymbal then tightened wing nut against the sleeve with no top felt.
thanks my friend.
I then a nylon sleeve is needed
y even have a felt on top? unless u want an upside down splash on it too.
Let me re illerate here
I love that lol 👍
lol yeah, its ill communication
If you buy quality cymbal stands, this is taken care of already.
yes it is, i only removed them when they became damaged.
Not large & small felt, they're thick & thin felt pads.
I had a cymbal that stayed in one place for so long that all the pivoting it did wore a groove into the hole. Basically making it look like a key hole. That was bc I had no plastic sleeve on the pin where the wing nut goes.
I use for 40 years now the Tama Titan, Stilt and Roadpro stands and there are standard wing nuts, cymbal mates in plastic. There is no contact between your stand and your cymbal. That’s the problem with the cheaper ones.
Better to spend a lot more money and have professional stuff. Otherwise you can give your money to buy new cymbals ….
So I have Been doing it right the whole time, idk, seems obvious to me. Maybe it's because I work construction and have always had a very high mechanical aptitude. But it's just always seemed so obvious that the threads will do allot of damage to cymbals. And also that restricting too much movement of the cymbal is also bad for durability, and more importantly sound.
Don't get me wrong though, I do appreciate the video. I know well enough not everybody catches on to what another may see as obvious. I do it myself, just not usually with stuff like this.
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What did he say at 2:58?
Damn I’ve never thought about the thread/smooth ratio like this. Great video!
Thanks my friend! I wantedvto share because i was happy to finally think this through and find a best way
“You have been mounting your cymbals wrong” - buddy, you still are. Man, you really should just take down this video. It’s full of such terrible advice which will end up causing a lot of damage to cymbals of inexperienced players who end up following it.
i cant take it down, its my most viral video! i dont know why, i guess i just did some sort of click view thing and i never had 30k vies, its crazy!
This is detrimental on so many levels. It also does not take into account certain brands and their specific designs. Yamaha stands are designed to use a large felt on the top and bottom. They have a sleeve/seat that is long enough to accommodate this. DW, however, is designed to use a small felt on the top and bottom. They employ a moveable sleeve/seat system to change your cymbal movement.
Please please please, going forward, learn about your subject before you attempt to teach. People will assume you're telling them the truth. It's not fair to them for you to speak poorly and derail their growth/education.
Knowledge is extraordinarily powerful. A lack of knowledge is often even more powerful...in a bad way.
Thank you, subscribed
What about hi hat?
no metal to metal contact! your cymbal will key hole
Yamaha, Tama, Pearl... they all have it wrong ??? They all deliver cymbal stands with a thick felt pad at the bottom so what. 😕
Thanks for commenting, it helps my only viral video, to go viral. It is a stupid video 🤔 it confuses me why TH-cam pumps this crap video out
No, I haven't. =o)
🤣Wow. Just wow.
I know rite! I've become obsessed with this sort of thing
Ever heard of a sleeve?
Cymbal SLEEVES...no matter what 🙄
Sorry but this is plain wrong. You need to protect the cymbal hole from metal-to-metal contact. Rubber hose, smooth plastic hose, etc. will suffice and protect the cymbal. You can hear the cymbal and stand hitting. This is a bad idea, folks!
Did you watch it until the end?
thanks my friend, most people only watch 20 seconds..
900th 👍
Use. A. sleeve.
Subscribed to your channel, learnt something today...Can u do one on HIGH HAT Cymbals, the bottom one, felts under or just metal washer, and the top cymbals, felts under and above etc?..Thanks
Thanks Boss! sure, I may do another quick video about that. stay tuned, I am working on a very special video about roc-n-soc thrones. I got one in and im going to unbox one and put a back rest on it..
Flat washer drum beater head rubber washer cymbal rubber washer flat washer wing nut, felts absorbs sounds rubber bounces sounds while also preventing and metal on metal contact, you’re welcome
*,*,*,*,*,*, grammar check myself there
Drum beater can also be a big felt but like drum beater gone be more supportive
If you’re a real drummer you’ll put a flat washer then big felt or beater head then your cymbal and that’s it
“That’s how you mount a cymbal correctly “ according to who?😂 I live videos of people who think they educating others when they’re really just spreading ignorance but too arrogant to realize it , it’s like saying I’m gonna help you but not knowing how to help but acting like you do instead of just saying idk how to help, disastrous catastrophic consequences that could’ve been avoided simply by making your statement a matter of your own opinion instead of trying to push it as cold hard facts
thank you sir. be sure to watch my no nuts cymbal sleeve videos..
I'm not a drummer, but LOVED learning from this video. Thanks.
Buy the Yamaha cymbal stand tilt sleeves, they are threaded so they screw down and lock in place. Sounds like you're talking to a 6 year old, this stuff isn't rocket science, It's common sense. Metal on metal is NEVER an option, period!! Any new drummer should buy themselves a pack of extra felts and plastic cymbal sleeves, and keep a roll of electric tape in your emergency parts bag.
Duh. Where is the sleeve?
This is NOT the proper way of protecting your cymbal.
Therefore, the lack of a plastic or rubber tube sleeve is ridiculous and poor instruction.
I ve done this for 31 years never break cymbals it has to breathe like jeffrey showed perfect all the time thanks 🥁🤟🏼🤟🏼🇨🇦
Thanks friend! Im happy, it took a long time to get to know the different parts and get it sorted out.
@@Prizmatic1658 awesome job drum bros
Hell no….
Is this satire or do you not know about sleeves?
No sleeve? Come on man. Sorry but ur giving bad advice.
So you only watched a couple of minutes of the video then right?
@@beatnicksbeats OK so he says about the sleeve later on. So the second part was good advice. The first part was terrible advice. You'll keyhole ur cymbals in no time
You're still doing it wrong!!!! WTF is that BS?