The Fabelmans David Lynch Scene side by side with Spielberg Telling the Real Story
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John Ford is amazing, and also a known grump. Got to study him for a semester in film school. The lower horizon line sets the subjects against the sky, elevating them among the heavens.
Wayne and Garth called this phenomenon: the “Extreme Close-Up.”
That seems like a “duh, that’s obvious” moment 😂
@@Michaelengelmann Perhaps. Or perhaps now. But then, nobody was using or speaking about cinematic composition in this way, to this degree in Hollywood. Most cinema was shot indoors, on stages. And it doesn't scratch the surface of the contributions John Ford innovated, or helped innovate. This is the guy who launched the careers of John Wayne, then Henry Fonda, then Jimmy Stewart, as symbolic representations of the evolution of American Man. Over 80 years ago. Before film noir. Before the technological evolution WW2 brought to the industry.
And speaking of WW2, this guy commanded the film arm of the US Army during the war. Not propaganda films. He personally filmed the battle of Iwo Jima, and directed the film troops that landed in Italy. These guys ran into battle, not with guns, but with cameras. They would be shot, keel over, and the man behind him would pick the camera up and keep charging. He was insane. A grumpy insane maverick film maker.
@@Michaelengelmann it’s obvious now, but it wasn’t at the time, John Ford was really groundbreaking and is the first one who invented a lot of the film techniques that we now see in every single movie and TV show
@@Michaelengelmann get the f*** out of here
The choice of David LYNCH to impersonate John FORD seems to me to be a great move ! 👏🏻
How would you like to meet the greatest director how ever lived!? I mean you could definitely make that argument about Lynch
@@derekmatzek9551 He's definitely my favorite!
This is so well edited
OP was inspired
@@TheTwentySecondDegree OP is a pretty good picture maker
❤
It's true. Learning the fundamentals of art will allow expression to come forth.
As someone who is super high.. I agree.. but what is "art", if you see it from another persons perspective.. of how THEY believe you "should" see it??
@@profoundwanderer1441 First, I would recommend coming back once you've sobered up...
Alright.
First thing I would recommend, if you want to take my advice at all, is to look at the legacy of the greats.
For instance, look up John Ford. Then look up Steven Spielberg. See how many of John Ford's film are referenced, imitated, or alluded to by other filmmakers (picture makers, like Spielberg). You may find some of your favorites or some new recommendations among those lists.
Then, when you look up Steven, see how many of his are not only referenced, imitated, or alluded to, but also how much money they made. That, at least, should give you an idea of how much their advice is worth.
To think outside the box, you have to know what's in it first...
@@alfonsobiggers2452
He got you there😂
@@alfonsobiggers2452 But all that is subjective too. Sure they’re great, no question what’s so ever, BUT the most important ingredient to making a great picture is the story. Without a great story it doesn’t matter how well placed your cameras are or who beautiful your lighting is. Artists imitate other artists all the time, a great and unique artist is someone who stretches the boundaries and gives you something that hasn’t ever been thought of before. I look up to certain Directors and Writers and Actors but I don’t ever try to mimic them because in my head I assume, why would someone want to watch a film that’s similar to Spielbergs when they can just go and pop in a Spielberg film, make them want to watch YOUR art for YOUR style.
@@alfonsobiggers2452 I feel like, you don’t ever want to know what’s in the box, make your own box. Either you have what it takes or you don’t, as pretentious as it might sound.
David Lynch is always a great touch.
One day Spielberg will make it. I’ve got faith!
That young upstart just needs a lucky break
Nah he doesn't have what it takes
Wow that's the coolest story I've every heard Spielberg tell.
It’s a good thing that he didn’t give up and it inspired him instead of being discouraged
He still got an audience With John Ford how easy is it for me to get a audience With Steven Spielberg?
I doubt he wants to talk to you😂
@@redditman3701
Then who had connections with John Ford?
@@redditman3701
Oh I guess you might not think that far lol
Who said it was easy?
First, good observation. I know exactly what you mean. But we don't need people like this anymore. For most of the last 100 years, it was incredibly expensive to produce movies. Film, cameras, and the cartel that is the movie theater. Nowadays, we don't need any of that, you can produce whatever you want with the phone you're watching this on. It's not the exact same quality, but you can still find an audience. Great directors like Spielberg and Ford are obsolete relics.
Amazing story! Love Lynch, Love Spielberg, love the story!
I like the last long shot of the Fablemen's, where the camera artificially moves horizon into the right spot
His films used that very thing a lot . The subjects look larger than life especially used on his Hero characters. It also showed the vastness of the western sky at the same time
Great advice if you're making a western or a war movie! Or combining both elements like in Indiana Jones. There is no horizon in space, so that logic is useless. Hence Star Wars and basically any space movie centers the camera on the planet or spaceship (s). Your view is either wide to show the entire ship, or the purposely exaggerated LONNNNG spaceship in Mel Brook's Spaceballs! Yes, it was a gag, but if he showed the entire length of the ship in 1 shot, it would lose the sense of being immense! I guess you have to start somewhere! Spielberg has amassed a great number of movies throughout his career. Cant really think of a " stinker" at the moment.
@@gvgv3515 Yes!! I saw Star wars when it first hit theaters. That shot of the ships surface as it moved along it. I remember thinking it was huge. Now a days I picture the same shot and someone bumping the model and it bouncing around on its strings. You hear Ugg Cut!!! 1st it's the fans blowing it around and now it's the lens hitting it. This after seeing the models of the ships. You know that's now a lost art at least as far as film err digital recording lol. Those model makers really did some amazing things. When I was a kid I remember lighting a model with small flashlight bulbs. Then seeing Fiber Optics come along. The City scape they used just for the then new HBOs feature presentation was so big yet the scale of the cars was pinky nail size. CGI has change so much.
@@STEVEN-STEELE Totally agree. Listen, if you REALLY want to laugh, AND see how far things have evolved, watch an early 1950s movie where they actually glued 2 paper plates together to form a saucer, painted it silver, and had guide wires to hang the saucer on. They tilted the guide wire so gravity would make it slide. They set one end on fire and filmed it; all to represent a spaceship crash landing on earth. You could see every wire and wobble as they pulled the
" saucer" along. Of course it bounced on the wire! LOL. I cant remember the title for certain, but it might be It came from Mars. Of course its all in black and white, which makes the fakeness even more apparent!
Onto Star Wars circa 1977. Lucas got his big break with the very first movie. His special effects were the state of the art in 1977. Computers didn't exist for Hollywood purposes back then. It was ALL done by hand! Let's start with outer space. He created the look with black muslin tarp with millions of tiny holes randomly poked through the tarp. Behind the tarp he shined a bright studio light onto the backside of the tarp. From the front, you see what looks like pin points of light. Suspend that big ass starship model in front of the tarp and VOILA!!! Outer space with the empire's main vessel !!! The tie fighters and x wings were all done the same way with LOTS of newly invented guides, cranes, and dollys to move the fighters smoothly. Yes many cuts/ retakes were needed so you DIDNT catch the occasional bump/ wobble or bounce. The actors were filmed in cockpit replicas for the closeups. The wide angle shots of the full size ship required at least 2 full life size ships to be built to film the action shots of Luke and R2D2 actually flying in space!! No digital/ CGI existed in 1977! Everything was done manually. Moving the life size ship through
" space ", meant dragging the ship AND MOVING the tarp to coincide with climbs and descents! Rotating the film camera physically, while filming, gave the illusion of each ship doing a barrel roll spin. It worked great for the closeup shots especially! There's way too much to discuss about special effects here. I will leave with 1 trivia tidbit. Do you know how R2D2 got his hame??
There were hundreds of film reels in the creation of the final edit of the movie! They used a dialog audio track and film track. Here is the birth of the name.
The name derives from when Lucas was making one of his earlier films, American Graffiti. The movie that inspired the tv show Happy Days!! Sound editor Walter Murch states that he is responsible for the utterance which sparked the name for the droid. Murch asked for Reel 2, Dialog Track 2, in the abbreviated form "R-2-D-2". George Lucas, who was in the room; dozed off while working on the script for Star Wars. He momentarily woke when he heard the request and, after asking for clarification, stated that it was a "great name" before going back to writing his script for Star Wars!! You're welcome!!🙂
@@gvgv3515 That's an awesome Out of left field story of how R2D2 got named. I like American Graffiti for numerous reasons.
You know you spoke of Spielberg not having a stinker. I wonder if out there somewhere is a Short Film in Super 8 made by an adolescent Spielberg or Lucas for that matter.
My Dad got me into the whole Sci-fi genre and their Burnt Casserole monsters that were ill fitting and had suspiciously looking human eyes. Lol but it's part of a much missed part of my life now. I get a Fix now and then with Mystery Science Theater 3000. . As a child Star Trek was still in syndication. So that and M.A.S.H. were his thing. The Saturday night Horror or Sci-fi movies were something I often got to watch with him I loved almost as much as Saturday morning cartoons. Ehh Kids just don't have a clue today. A hour or so after school with Gilligan's Island Then Space Giants. Then Sat Mornings were it. After that it was imagination used outside. Untill Happy Days The 6 million dollar man. Or If titled these days "Budget Man"😆 Then my favorite MORK AND MINDY. I even had the Suspenders.Yes I was the Odd Kid in school. Anyhow this has been fun. A friend and I often talked about making a low budget movie just for fun. He wanted Horror I wanted Comedy. But it only made it to the talk. Get this for an opening scene.
You see a eye then nose while you hear dialogue you catch an ear. Then it stops. You hear someone say Hold it Cut Cut it fades to black and Text appears. This motion picture has now been formatted to fit your screen and starts over. A sorta Homage to Monty Python. I know corny but just something Iv always wanted to see. I once wrote a skit and wanted to get it on SNL. But you have to be part of a writers guild and all. Heck I'm an Electrician in Alabama lol. Iv enjoyed this Gv Gv
Now THAT is a hell of a legendary story!
Spielberg is an absolute legend . He’s made so many of my favourite movies . Ever since watching Jaws at the movies I thought that this guys movies are gonna be fantastic
John Fords framing of certain shots were very well thought out. He was a master of it.
When Ethan walks put of the cabin, alone at the end of The Searchers, or when you see the wagons crossing the dessert valley with the vastness of it in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, framing up and closing in on the first time you see the Ringo Kid in Stagecoach..... he had it down pat.
Reminds me of the David Lynch scene with Louie CK about FUNNY
Brings everything forward & bold & tuff yet elegant
Wow while Steven was meeting the current greatest filmmaker jack was meeting the future greatest filmmaker.
Jack met Tarantino?
OMG and they got Lynch to play ford I HAVE TO SEE THIS FILM
What film is this exactly?
@@vision3318 the fabelman’s by Stephen spielberg
I love the David Lynch cameo
David Lynch as John Ford.
Oh my days.
John ford really is the best ever tho.. man who shot liberty bell is sucha masterpiece
Lynch is a legend🤘
My girlfriend bought me these really expensive classes for my birthday and everybody complements me on how nice they are. They are made by Gucci designer Tom Ford. So just to annoy her when people complement me on the glasses, and she’s around, I say, “ these glasses, are designed by the famous movie, Director, John Ford!” of course this pisses her off and I find it hilarious every time😂
Just like his scenes with CK in Louie when he played the coach for Letterman audition.
Great story
Great in heroes missed that show
Real AF
Steven Spielberg is incredible 😁🤩
lynch I love this guy ❤
It's like David Lynch's roll on "Louis." "Make me laugh."
Because the eye could be looking directly at the subject (horizon at the bottom), or the eye could be looking at a reflection of the subjects, in a lake or puddle (horizon at the top). It’s not that difficult, I’d imagine Steven would have got it first time if he wasn’t so start struck, but then again this experience might be what made him into the director he was today.
The upshot of the brontosaurus in Jurassic park was this lesson
Well champ, that’s short for champion.
I think he figured out the horizons
Awesome....
"Jack Ford.... and I sat waiting for John Ford to arrive" 😂
Spielberg is not mis-speaking here. It is not heard as often these days but it used to be common for people named John to be nicknamed Jack when talking about them in a more casual or familiar way. People used to casually refer to John F Kennedy as Jack Kennedy too.
@@klepszekk8119 I always wondered about that, thank you
Same name like hank and Henry
I went to college with his daughter, which is why he has that hat, also the film school is pretty well known
Reminds me of the Louie sketch where David Lynch is the producer of Late Night
Let's see the funny.
Three, Two, One: Go! Funny!
Here’s the thing, Champ… That’s short for champion.
yes!
@@YusiDJordani quote that so much lol it’s so good
“Tune in every night folks, it’s the crying cleaning lady show”
David Lynch would play a GREAT Henry Miller
What do you know about Art Kid?
Because u make actors like ancients made idols
It's how I'd like to end all my meetings.
Now I wanna see a parallel reality version of this where old John Ford meets young Stanley Kubrick in the same 1-minute meeting.
George P. Cosmatos. Said I understand.
And if you understand this.. you’ll truly understand. Why it’s at the bottom and W_____’s at the top 😉
What movie is this!? I gotta see it!
David lynch brilliant
I wonder if that's why Spielberg put the scene from The Quiet Man in E.T.?
I love Matt Parkman
One of the few directors John Wayne agreed to work with
I didn't recognize Lynch at first, he got old.
The old dude from Dawson creek
The problem with this short, and half of the f***ing shorts on youtube, is that it cuts out key pieces of the scene and makes it nonsensical. In the the actual scene (which I had to look for after this made no sense) he asks young Spielberg to tell him what he see's in the picture, then asks him about the horizon which is low down in the first picture. Then he asks him to say what he see's on a second picture (this is cut out of the short) in the second picture the horizon is higher. The whole story won't really make sense anyway unless you already know of this "horizon method" which I didn't until scrolling through comments.
I have never heard of John Ford until today, and he seems like a complete bell end to me. Someone asks for advice, and you give them some cryptic answer that doesn't explain anything. Great thanks for that. That's unless Spielberg is retelling the story differently to make it more dramatic?
What is this movie?! :o
Mr Spielberg please make a western , please sir
His first movie is with the amyl nitrate in dudes bag at the end that explains why he plays it too cool for the girl throughout the short film
I believe that the guy said it wrong.Should be saying" greatest filmmaker of all time how about meeting your predecessor"
What's this movie called
The Fableman, he released it last year.
Ford liked %%%%
Wait Steven and David are the same age right?
Where's the horizon?
And then nobody saw this film
Shockingly no one cared about how young Spielberg was able to break into Hollywood *cough cough*
It's a shame he got canceled for what he did to those poor dinosaurs.
So he actually said the F word in real life, got it!😂
Am I tripping or did he change his name from Jack to John?
This may seem crazy, but Jack is a nickname for John.
@@8Biit whaaaaat? like a Bob/Robert or a Dick/Richard? My whole life I never knew this. Does that mean Jack Nicholson’s name is actually Johnathan?
@@Toosii2times 🤣Yes, its totally crazy. It somehow comes from the French name Jacques or some such nonsense. As for Nicholson, I dont know since we use the proper name Jack as well. My Uncle Jack was actually a John, learned this at his funeral.
Is this nickk cage uncle?
jack or john which one is it damnit
I know that it doesn't make much sense but Jack was an interchangeable nickname for John back in the day. Whenever you watch documentaries about John F. Kennedy you will hear several people refer to him as Jack instead of John for the same reason.
The scene would also have worked if the kid was Dimitri Martin 😂
Very reminiscent of David Lynch appearing in Louie for three episodes.
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😂
Old school man 😂 Jesus!
David Lynch is god.
Top horizon- characters are struggling. Bottom horizon theyre amongst the clouds and stars and ontop of the world.
John ford did Louis CK wrong on his show!! He damn near made him cry
Decent scene in an otherwise very boring and extremely self indulgent film.
I don't get it
How was Epstein Island, Stephen?
He stole this character from Louis 😅😅
The arrogance of Hollywood in one minute
Are you okay?
@@zrizzle19 not sure if this is worth a response but here we are!
John Ford was not Jewish.
Just saying
Nobody: They make deals with the devil and sell their soul for fame.
🤣🤣🤣
So, again it's some random person "just" walks into there and has someone say "you want to be the best film director?"
Another words instead of hiring someone with the talent, they place someone in the position then glorify them.
Like Madonna and most others
Its annoying how he lips and slurs all this words
I will never watch this. Making a movie about your life before you have died is just frickin weird
Meanwhile art is subjective and has no 1 meaning or impression value..
The only good scene in the movie and it comes at the very end.
Mccully Red Shoes 🤮
It’s crazy how they make everyone not Jewish in their movies about Hollywood nepotism
This is gonna blow your mind... I worked in the industry for 20 years, traveled the world, built a studio for the Sultan of Brunei... and Im not Jewish. Maybe that's in your head. For example, black Americans dominate the NBA as their culture focuses on it, but the NBA isnt only played by black Americans.
@@8Biit wrong
@@fullmetal_neet2288 im pretty sure im not jewish.
@@8Biit you may not be but you’re still wrong
@@fullmetal_neet2288 youre clearly a mental giant. But i get it... you need a target for blind emotional hate and ignorance, or else you'd be faced to look at yourself, your own inadequacies and shortcomings. You could have done anything, instead you did nothing. Cognitive distortion, thy name is Fullmetal_Neet. Hate on you crazy diamond.
The Fableman was one of the most boring movies I've seen in a long time.
Beat who ever lived… back then maybe
Is this from a feature film?