Bad Movie Beatdown: Prometheus (REVIEW)
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The fifth season of Bad Movie Beatdown kicks off with an extended look at Ridley Scott’s return to the Alien franchise. Season 5, Episode 3.
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This episode was originally posted in February and March 2013, originally as a two-parter and both episodes combined for an hour-long video, which this version is based on. (The ad breaks are at the points in the original two-parter) This is a re-cut version that loses 3m 11s of footage, not just from film clips, but me trying to tighten up my dragging sentences. This review was done at the height of my "angry" phase, which I've always regretted since it makes it hard to sit through at such length; I was tempted to re-narrate the entire thing, but that would take up too much time when I should be producing new material. So if you find me a bit irritating here, I can only apologize. The episode has been slightly upconverted to 480p.
I kept having to resubmit and recut this episode further to avoid ID claims by Fox, who I've had trouble with in the past. Each time I would replace sections with still frames, which you can see in this version. This was the third try, and I did produce another version in case, but to my surprise Fox cleared this one very quickly, so now the epic Prometheus review has landed on TH-cam! Hope you can enjoy.
"Apologise," Eh? "Angry phase?" WTF!? This is by far your best EVER review, man.
I'm really pleased with this review on a writing level, but this is one of the ones where I over-egged my performance and I think it's too much. If you look on the "unofficial" version, it's littered with comments about how annoying my voice is and how I was exaggerating it too much. There was about a year where I really tried to push the anger because a lot of people at the time wanted to see it, but also I was reading comments from places I shouldn't have that I was a bad actor; it got to the point where I strained my voice quite badly. If you watch my more recent material, I've toned it back down again so it's much closer to my normal speaking voice and I think it's better that way. That's not to be confused with saying I don't like the Beatdown videos, I love it, but I find myself a bit too forceful here. My apologies are for those who may not have seen it before, and be jarred by the difference from my later videos.
That's fair enough, I can remember the change (which I protested about at the time, as it showed passion) I have seen those comments over the years but it never bothered me that way. I agree your writing was spot on here.
I wasn't sure why this film pissed me off so much at the time, I missed the beginning, then you mentioned Lindeloff in the writing credits and immediately the penny dropped. I could never explain to people as to why I hated this film, then your BMB review of this came out a few months later, so I began directing them to it. You really pinpointed the faults in this. You earned my respect that day. Lol.
I seem to recall praising this back on the TGWTG website, it was kind of therapeutic to see you dissect this film. I know I don't comment that often but I had to after seeing this uploaded here. Praise, end.
Good stuff.
Damon Lindelof for me is a writer who can come up with great concepts and ideas, he's the guy who came up with Tomorrowland, but he struggles with putting meat on the bones, he's a television writer and it shows, Prometheus and Tomorrowland in particular have a feeling of having to "watch the next episode" to work things out and the Khan twist in Star Trek Into Darkness is presented in such a way that you have to know who Khan is for the twist to work, which defeats the entire purpose of the film series being rebooted in the first place..
Film Brain 🤘😊🤘
Two guys who are terrified by a headless dead body in front of a room are totally at ease by a threatening live snake IN that very room.
I think at least one of those guys was hotboxing weed in his suit after seeing the headless body... remember when Milburn asked him if it was 'tobacco' and he said 'sure, yeah, tobacco'....
@@jimbobeire Yeah - Like the flamethrower, the drugs were another gratuitous and idiotic idea, cemented into the film using silly glue. Meanwhile the film completely lacks any real substance and none of the characters, barring Weyland and David, have any sort of continuity of thought or motivation
But the snake just looked so cute and cuddly. How could you not pet it?
Prometheus is what happens when you let a known hack write the script.
People don't realize how important the writers are. The first Alien was written by two very talented writers who'd been working on that idea for some time. When Scott came on board, he mainly only did some minor tweaks.
Without a good script, a director can't do a damn thing. Ridley Scott, for all his talent as a director, needed a good script. And a good script was just not what the writers for Prometheus could give him.
Exactly, It’s the problem with so many movies these days, their is so much emphasis on special effects, fan service, and scripts written by committees that we end up with great looking films with incoherent plots and unbelievable characters.
"I'll do the fingering."
A good director knows the difference between a good script and a bad script, Scott obviously doesn't. He's responsible for this abortion of a movie.
I remember when this movie came out, by the time it arrived in German theaters, three months later, I had seen so many bad and mediocre reviews I couldn't bring myself to watch it for four years. This movie suffers from the worst horror trope: stupid, stupid people. The original Alien worked so well partially because the crew did their best and acted wisely, and still got killed. Here, the entire crew and the scientists deserve to win Darwin awards.
Sonya Kinsey nailed it. Hence why the original alien is so terrifying ; one alien wipes out a good crew.
@Alhambra - I think it was meant more in general than it was anything else.
As in the crew from the original Alien film were generally far more streetwise, which they were. Whereas the crew from the Prometheus films were just comically dumb at times.
I hadn't paid attention to reviews and naively went to see it. Not only was it stupid, but also confusing and all in all rather boring as I couldn't connect with any of the dingbats on screen or muster the energy to care what happened to them. Needless to say I have saved my cash on the prometheus sequels.
'the crew did their best and acted wisely'
you mean crew that smoked while piloting the spaceship?
the one with the space cat living on the ship by itself while the crew was in statis?
the one that went on board the alien spaceshit before even deciphering their signal? it could of been a declaration of war for all they knew... or you know, a warning some shit just killed everyone.
the one that brought the facehugger on their ship, dropped quarantine as soon as they can't see it trough the window and then went into the room where it was obviously hiding, with no protective gear whatsoever?
And this is just the first 15 minutes, but I'm not gonna spend 1 hour here pointing out the obvious.
Alien 1 was basically hillbillies in a space truck being stupid while doing ridiculous shit. A commercial ship investigating alien signals? yeah right.
Sonya Kinsey And on top of being stupid, for some reason they also made most (everyone but Shaw and David/Walter) characters unlikeable.
As a geologist I can confirm we shout “I love rocks” quite a lot...
I don't like sand.
Do you all look like Punk Rockers too?
I do too, and I'm not a geologist.
I had a room mate who spent hours a day collecting rocks. He had buckets and buckets of them. He loved rocks
Making the space jockey nothing more than a guy in a flight suit is the films biggest crime. Funny how Scott supposedly hates AvP yet copied so much of it for this movie.
I've stricter protocol for school field trips than whatever these guys are doing! Seriously, you don't have regular check-ins to make sure no one accidentally gets locked out during a sandstorm in a possibly hostile alien planet?
How did any of the crew get this far in their careers when they blatantly disregard basic safety precautions and regulations?
this far in their careers? Their amazing, careers where they took a job where they knew nothing other than how much it paid until the briefing, 34.5 light years from home, almost 29 months after they launched? I don't think they ended up with the best available crew, cos anyone with options is going to avoid that offer.
Weyland industries/Weyland-Yutani clearly must have a damn-well serious problem with their so-called "background checks" within the many,various Earth-based colonies planets they either take over and/or terraform with,I believe..(Damn Corporations in the Aliens-Blade runner universe,wanting everything in their grasp,dammit..)
Also,these people were IN Cryostatis-so their minds MIGHT BE a bit..frazzled and (and I quote) "Herpaderped" during all that,y'know..
( I mean,in one of the role-playing game/RPG-books based off the Movie series/Aliens universe that my father currently owns-They state that there might be *some mental issues-or something-that may affect* the PC/crew member/s in the game/backstory within it,apparently..!)
Numnut, what year do you teach?
still hate the fact that the enigmatic spacejockey was retconned into pale giant human in an suit :(
yeah, it also looks nothing like the original spacejockey, its just a half assed job by a bunch of hacks, just ignore it.
Same. One of my favorite scenes in the original Alien was the discovery of the Space Jockey, because it's such an immense and mysterious being that resembles nothing humans have ever seen before...yet it still fell victim to the Xenomorph. And it was clearly fossilized, implying that the Xenomorphs have been around for thousands, if not millions, of years (yet another thing that is retconned in Prometheus' sequel).
my theory.... clearly, the marshmallow boys (the engineers)
STOLE the space jockey tech from the space jockeys.
WWHRGD? (screw cannon)
g-viral I know the filmmakers ignore human evolution because it’s a sci-fi movie not a conspiracy theory film, but if the Space Jockeys created humans, then why are they gonna wipe us out? I know humans can cause problems, but not all of us are evil and not all humans are arrogant enough to damage environments for money, instead we protect the environment for our safe keeping and money. Why can’t the Space Jockeys just pick up the pure hearted humans and other animals, and then wipe out the bad humans just like in the book of genesis?
Agreed. That's extremely lame. I wish they'd never have explained it if this is the boring ass result we get.
I hated and was disappointed by this movie (and covenant), I'm glad you at least brought more entertainment with your review than the actual movie.
Yup. It was dreadful and I seriously question people’s logic when they try and justify it
They could have just said the pod wasn't equipped to deal with pregnancy and labor, as simple as that. That would lower the stupidity factor.
Kate Kursive
They did not even need to say that, because it worked anyway.
The best way to describe Prometheus: "Ancient Aliens: The Motion Picture"
Masterge77 More like At the Mountains of Madness: the Movie.
look up Ancient Aliens debunked for a good time! ;]
I'm no expert, but the "remove foreign body"-scene has even worse problems than the procedure itself.
What about the MASSIVE amounts of alien fetal juice spilling into an OPEN stomach wound? Would this not be a critical health issue?
The script-writers could have waited a bit with the exploding to after Shaw gets out of the pod... but considering the rest of the script, I might be asking for too much...
"Angry phase" or not, I do agree with every point you made on this movie. In any case you moved on, found your voice and you can only get better from here, mate.
Dear Hollywood writers how about letting the fans of these movies send you some ideas on how to improve your scripts with better story lines.
Tiffany Days Maybe that would prevent studios from making dumbass decisions like when they forced the Thing prequel to use CGI despite the people making it making very decent practical effects for the film that are almost on par with the original, forcing Michael Myers to be in _every_ Halloween film post-Season of The Witch, ruining Cool World and many other examples, including TV decisions.
Lol, and yet the writers writ their horrible scripts in Hollywood mansions while the 'fans' are flipping burgers.
I'd say all is well the way it is.
A) Maybe those fans should become professional screenwriters.
B) When did very directly bending to the will of fans make for a genuinely good movie?
C) Alien Covenant kind of did this and it wasn't better than Prometheus.
Bad idea. Fan ideas lead to fanfiction-tier films. Those are usually pretty awful.
In the theatre, I could not stop laughing when Shaw started to run after her Alien cesanean...to the detriment of my immediate neighbours.
The thing is, Vickers might not be useful, but she's the only character with any sense in that movie, and then she dies like an idiot. Disappointing all around.
That is such a big problem with modern movies, imo. They set up interesting (or potentially interesting) characters, but if they have even the slightest moral dilemma or hint of a personality that doesn't match with the protagonist, then they are doomed for death. Vickers could have been an interesting character if the movie let her be. But she was too different from Shaw, and that was the biggest crime :(
@@razzle2429 I think the writers split out the characteristics of Ellen Ripley between Vickers and Shaw. Shaw is tough, but not rational or thorough. Vickers is cautious, but not brave, and she seems to be constantly drinking to deal with fear, and never voluntarily steps off the ship. Ejecting before the crash was the only time she left the ship. They did give Vickers some little nods to Ellen Ripley - she enforces quarantine, and uses a flamethrower, which is a throwback to Ripley telling Dallas that Kane can't come back on board because of the risk of infecting everyone else.
I suppose one possible excuse for the characters all behaving like childish idiots could be that their suspended animation was faulty and caused them all brain damage. Prometheus was an abysmal film so ludicrous that it overloaded my suspension of disbelief and as a result became boring to watch as I cared nothing about any of the characters and just wanted the mess of a film to end.
I feel like that’s the only way I could watch it now hahaha why else would intelligent scientists do anything they do if not for serious head injuries!
48:04 : Despite this review being almost perfect, this is where you missed a major plot hole: The albino cuttlefish grows into a giant vagina monster over the course of...I don't know, a few hours at most? HOW? What did it eat? What energy source allowed it to grow that much? Is the cuttlefish a perpetual motion machine that can generate energy out of nothing? CONSERVATION OF MASS, THE FUCK'S THAT?
dasuberkaiser6 The same thing happened with the Xenomorph in the original movie.
Oh there's loads more idiocy to point out in Prometheus. What about the fact that they pump 40 AMPS of current into the Engineer's head to 'trick it into thinking it's alive'. That's more juice than you need to boil a kettle. No wonder the damned thing exploded.
have not seen this movie, I belive the reviews and can see even from the trailer that its just not Ridleys day anymore. but you describe something that was the cornerstone of Alien...the shock that the thing was growing so fast, it was a major part of the plot.
It's a flawed movie, but did you need everything spoonfed to you? There were two dudes assisting Weyland when he came out of stasis. They got him ready to meet the Engineer. There deaths are not shown on screen, but logically, the first thing they'd expect to do after Weyland's return is to put him in the medpod to see if he's still dying. There are sets of bloody smeared handprints inside the door of the medpod chamber in the shot where Shaw looks in. Putting that together, it would seem those two dudes got a nasty surprise and Shaw's little baby got two free meals.
the way they found the pyramid in avp makes way more sense then how they found this planet lol
Seriously, that half assed star chart could be anywhere. It's 6 stars drawn on a cave wall, without coordinates and distances they'd be useless. You could easily find millions of locations that look like that in our galaxy.
Nice to finally see this on the official channel. This is THE best breakdown of Prometheus I have seen. You have no idea the sheer number of times I have watched this review of yours, I can even quote it.
I need a new hobby. :(
I have seen RLM's version but it was a piss take on the people who were complaining about Prometheus. So they made a video to take the piss of all the questions being asked regarding the stupidity of the film, as they said that they liked it.
A position Jay has since changed on the film, due to repeated viewing.
Watch "Decker Shado - Prometheus" review
It's really good
I have done so, I had forgotten about it though, so I think I shall watch it again, now you have reminded me of it. Thanks.
Punkster ii
Punkster Critucal Drinker also delivers an excellent slating of this awful film.
Particles in the air you say? Imagine that in an Alien movie...
Figures... They departed without helmets, on an alien planet in ALIEN:COVENANT.
------ SPOILER AHEAD -------
they get infected with air spread alien mutagen.
Yep. Bunch of idiots.
Film Brain pretty much.
Weyland/Weyland-Yutani seriously-and _DEFINITELY-should_ (really) stop hiring complete morons for their space-missions..maybe that'll help with the stupid shiztski that they go through...
"Apparently two years in hyper sleep makes people incredibly horny!"
I fell out of my chair laughing.
19:44 You May regret this phase Matt but your reaction to the head splatter always makes me crack up.
Glad not only one who was bugged by the Space Jockey being tiny compared to the original.
Since the original (including the chair) was size of a house. (i remember in the makings the trick involving "body doubles" used to make it look so big)
I was so pissed off at the end when the women didn't just run in different directions. I was actually yelling at the tv.
I stumbled across your Alien Covenant video, and saw the link to this video which I haven't seen since you originally posted it. I just LOVE this review - I think it is one of the best - not only of your reviews, but anyone's. You have the perfect blend of points being made plus humor.
Prometheus will always be a personal landmark for me - it was the last movie I was truly excited to see based on the previews plus being directed by Scott. And no movie since then (or before it) has been such a disappointment which, like you, I became angry about afterwards. Since then, I been extremely skeptical with all movie previews, and am boycotting Alien Covenant until it is out on video.
I'm very happy to have found your channel on TH-cam, and look forward to catching up with your reviews (Alien Covenant next). Cheers!
The most succinct review of this movie I could give would be "A beautifully shot film of allegedly intelligent people behaving like suicidal morons".
Also, the existence of aliens does not contradict Catholic/Christian belief systems. The Catholic Church actually has supported the sciences for centuries, and believes that a universe with fundamentally observable laws does not contradict the notion of a Creator. Even the existence of aliens that created humans would be seen simply as the means through which God created humanity. The Catholic Church supposedly even has protocol in place in case alien life contacts us.
You should check out channels EndeavorFreedom and Rob Skiba. The whole 'alien' thing is a Satanic setup.
Did the Catholics / Christians not even read their own Bible!? (Never mind, most don't.) Aliens couldn't have created humanity because it directly says that God did it, not through some conduit.
It's all crap anyway.
Master Markus it also says the universe doesn't exist and the earth is flat...
dude, in genesis god spends all his time making earth and all the animals, with ONE DAY FOR THE 'MOON AND STARS' aka the infinite vastness and all non earth inhabitants. He spent five days on earth, one day on the universe, and its pretty clear that it was written when the only feasible world that man would ever encounter is earth, with the 'moon and stars' as some lights in the sky, not the vast infinity probably littered with aliens that it is.
If an alien lands tomorrow and say "I am your god! I created you. Now I return to you now my children!"
Would christians bow down to it or would they ask questions?
Great review and a solid delivery. I found this quite entertaining, not only for the quality of information but the enthusiasm in which it was all presented. Your Alien Covenent review was just as good.
Keep up the great work because your persona is made for this sort of thing.
It's funny in The Martian, the main character staples his injury and a few moments later, the staples come off. Thankfully Drew Goddard knew how surgery works and what an actual great screenplay is.
Staples are used for medical purposes in real life though. A quick Google search tells you that. Heck, my dog has staples when she went to the vet to be treated for a tumor and now my dad is bringing her back today to get them removed.
the reason why they pulled that whole weapons facility/science lab thing out of their ass is because of lindeloft, he apperantly did the same thing with lost multiple times. in other words: he's a hack that turned prometheus into the steaming pile of mediocrity it is.
Tom Thedutchguy hahahah, that makes so much sense. that guy is great at teasing us with a promising premise, then basically saying "nah go fuck yourself, you get no answers and an anticlimactic ending."
People who say they're a fan of the Alien franchise normally mean they like Alien and/or Aliens.
I'm currently in one of my few yearly BMBD marathons, and I'm finally gonna say what I've been thinking since the day this episode came out: CLASSIC. It makes an amazing extended critique, it even feels like a video essay at times, because the commentary offers high quality analysis while never losing the HILARITY and hatred of a rant/take down, made with the passionate despair that only a true Ridley Scott fan can feel.
I've actually only seen this film in a fan edit version someone showed me, which put the TED talk in the beginning along with a message from Shaw asking Weyland for backing. It also had some cuts and additions that made the film better, but not by much considering what the editor was working with. Seeing the way it is in this review, I understand the frustration and I probably would've felt the same if this was my introduction to the movie
Honestly one of the most entertaining and funniest reviews i have seen in ages thank you
love Film Brain's freakoutsmakes the review that much more entertaining
He's SO OFFENDED in this episode...... thanks for a great laugh!!
The original 'Alien' mined a limited story exceptionally well and it's as much the genuine shocking raising of the stakes as the basic story concept that led to it being so influential. There's not enough potential in that 1979 film to support either an extended film series, or a branching off into another kind of film. I've seen 'Prometheus' once and I found it very flat in feel. It's technically strong, but there's little logic and there's little emotional impact to any of it. Cameron's sequel is the effective end of the idea's potential and even Cameron wisely re-worked a lot of 'Alien' instead of going off on a complete tangent.
I dont know, I had an encounter with a large dog that tore a chunk of flesh from the back of my calf that required several stitches and weeks to heal. I had no idea it even happened until well after the encounter. I ran full speed down a set railroad tracks and vaulted like an Olympic gymnast over a six foot tall brick wall. If it werent for my mother being in the backyard and asking me what in the hell I was doing there and not in school then what happened to me because she saw a bloody sock, I would have zero idea I was even wounded.
Adrenaline is a pretty potent thing. Her running and vaulting might seem implausible but really, Id believe it.
Fassbender's shoulders must have been aching, though, since he was carrying the *entire fucking movie.* He deserves credit for giving such a good performance in this film and in the sequel, if nothing else lol
I never could watch the movie to the end, it was simply too disgusting and a bad sign about Ridley Scott's mental state. Covenant finally proofed that he is quite mad. He is able to visually direct movies like The Martian, but he has no clue or sense for any plausible storytelling. Instead he is continously referencing stuff which he heard or watched somewhere, but he does it without any common sense. 'Things looking cool' is all that he needs. It's the mental state of a 12 years old child, but funny enough it quite fits into a majority of current audience. When someone has to build a sentence without knowing anything about grammar.
I wish I could have seen the Prometheus 2 you just summarized there, sadly we've all seen Alien Covenant and found out Shaw's story ended in a much stupider, undignified way, Good god scott you've turned into George Lucas, well hope Disney buys the rights to Aliens/Prometheus and try to fix that one too LOL
(Addition: Since 2019, my thoughts on Lucas and Disney have changed. For Lucas the better, and for Disney "THE WORSE". Just a heads up!)
*well hope Disney buys the rights to Aliens/Prometheus and try to fix that one too LOL* By hiring JJ Abrams to plagiarize the original Alien movie, while fundamentally misunderstanding why certain scenes worked?
@Go Time Now In a way I agree! I started thinking more nicely towards Lucas around a year after this comment (You know after the horror that is "Rise of the Skywalker"....thank GOD My mother had a bootleg of that movie when I last saw her! FUCK DISNEY. RotS is EQUALLY if not more so in some cases WORSE then Last Jedi!)
I've changed my mind on Disney making it better! They've shown they'll milk a cow dry instead of letting it go to pasture naturally! Because they'd rather "the poor thing die a horrible death over a natural one just for that LITTLE DROPLET OF MILK THEY'D GET FROM IT!"
I feel bad for the common workers since Disney land closed. But I'm happy the "big cats" aren't making any money "FUCKING BASTARDS!
A few things they could have added to Prometheus, that could have made it "better".
1) Don't start the movie with the Engineer ritual that created life on Earth, save it for a recording when they find the ship that way we don't find out they created us till near the end of the film. This just makes the film more intriguing.
2) Have the Scientists find an ancient blood Engineer sample, or Engineer artifacts, as well as the "map" and possibly a signal from a deep space probe that points to the same planet as the map to make the expenditure justified.
3) Don't have the Black Goo full stop, as it's confusing to the audience, instead they should have made the Xenomorphs the Engineers bio- weapon and we could have one or two Xenomorphs start to kill off the crew (Ones that infected those two idiotic scientists that had to spend the night in the ruined base).
4) Let them find an Engineer at the end, but he dies when we find out that there is also an Alien Queen on board the Engineer's ship. Thus a far better end survival race than the one with the Engineer.
5) Don't have that many "main cast" instead do what they did in the first Alien movie. Have a main cast of about 7 and a few nameless "Redshirt" auxiliary crew (for the deaths), so you can expand on the main cast's characterisations and we can get to know them better. The people dying in Prometheus didn't have any emotional weight to them, cause we knew almost fuck all about them, if we knew more about them we would give a shit when they died. Like we did in the first two alien movies.
You can tell I don't give a shit about most of the characters in this movie as I only remember David and Elizabeth Shaw, the rest are forgettable, even "Whatsit's face" Wayland is just "generic evil old corporate guy".
The most common phrase never heard in Hollywood? "Leave well enough alone."
I really like this movie, but for some reason I still enjoy watching people tear it to shreds.
lol yeah me too. Weird huh?
ToddTheTolerable guilty pleasure for you dude and it's fine we all have own guilty pleasures.
ToddTheTolerable Actually totally understandable. As stated in the review, it's incredible claustrophobic and athomspheric and least of all, looks gorgeous. Until you even start to try to follow the plot or understand the characters motivations at all. Then It immediately turns to shit.
it's a good moviedidn't expect it to surpass Alien and AliensI saw Alien: Covenant today and it actually answered questions I had from before thank goodness
Jon Cox it did not answered them. It pointed finger to all the things prometheus started
Great review, great beatdown too. Well deserved by this lemon of a movie.
This and Covenant were terrible.
This movie is to Alien what the Star Wars prequels are to A New Hope.
+Brendan Milburn Sorry but Covenant is another Alien 3, a giant F You to the fans!
I think Alien 3 is great, but then again, I think I've only seen the Assembly Cut. Now please excuse me while I dance on Newt's dead corpse.
+Cecil Chantilly
Only if you also weep for Hicks' death.
Better dead than an NPC in Colonial Marines.
Honestly, I'd say it's even worse. The SW prequels were flawed, but had some merit and at least tried at times. These Alien prequels feel like they're just going through the motions and don't give a damn about even the bare minimum of logical storytelling.
This is the best Badmoview Beatdown so far in my humble opinion....you can see the passion coming through Mathew and feel that frustrated fire in his belly 😁😁😁
I'll say David being himself on the ship,
Its like a short movie a android on his own ship is the best thing.
I think you're utterly fantastic I love your unique style of presentation
Why do all the best scenes get put onto the cutting room floor?
It used to be deleted scenes had no future direction.
This one definitely pushed your button.
I still don't understand that part about David spiking the drink. Like, how did he know what it would do, if anything? How did he know ingesting it would do anything? What if you need to inject it? What if the alcohol made it inert.
David's lucky his experiment worked. It would have been very anti-climactic for the audience if spiking the drink did absolutely nothing.
You know, if this film had been about a crew of ordinary, untrained people, who are thrown into a situation they are unprepared for, then all of the deaths and mistakes they make might've been sad and tragic. But these people are supposed to be the best of the best. So every time they make a stupid mistake and end up paying for it it's laughable.
"But these people are supposed to be the best of the best." [citation needed] . Flight crew wakes up and before the briefing, they're making bets as to what the mission is. The geologist, biologist, have no idea what the mission is. They've been on the ship over 28 months already. All the know is how much they're getting paid. Does that sound like the way the _Best of the Best_ choose their next mission? The _Best of the Best_ are sought after, and have options, so when they see a job that says "very high pay, but ask no questions", they say "nope, screw that, I'll work for someone else and come back alive". Who jumps at the magical mystery tour mission? Incompetent unsuited fools like the crew of the Prometheus.
Everytime I have a really bad day ... I watch this episode. Your energy is contagious my friend , and I love the idea of Prometheus , but am so disappointed in it .
It could have been epic
#thehorrorthehorror
Oh I miss Film Brain's angry phase.
So much passion even if the drawl might've been annoying to some people.
TheSkully343 "some" people? i enjoy his analysis even if i disagreed but the drawl was always nails on chalkboards /buting on metal/grater to the balls annoying.
I am looking forward to hearing your opinion on alien covenant :)
Love this review
It sucked.
I still remember the "Amazing Atheist" praising this movie to high heaven, and making a complete fool of himself in the process.
He wouldn't even debate anyone. Everyone who dislikes this movie was simply stupid or ignorant in his mind.
Yikes that guy was a tool
What this movie has taught me is that we need to shoot all aliens on sight as even the super-intelligent ones are just crazy rage monsters out to murder us.
I like rocks, but I wouldn’t say I love them.
I don't like sand.
Prometheus lost me very early on. In the scene where the Engineer drinks the black goo and disintegrates, which is supposedly the genesis of life on Earth, it's very obvious from the aerial shots that there are green patches on the mountains, meaning that life clearly already exists on Earth before he does this. And what exactly does he create when he dies? Single-celled organisms? Those would still require billions of years to evolve into human beings, so evolution still has to happen. So I guess evolution was following a preset program to eventually produce human beings after billions of years, despite the fact that the vast majority of our DNA is useless junk from our evolutionary past that doesn't code for proteins. But apparently, our DNA matches that of the Engineers exactly (despite the fact that we don't look like them) which means they have all that useless junk DNA too, and the program that produced us deliberately replicated all that useless junk, which makes absolutely no sense, rather like designing a car with extra wheels that don't work. Alternatively, maybe they're suggesting that human beings somehow congealed from single cells and walked out of the water fully formed, like Botticelli's Venus. But that wouldn't explain why humans have many of the same genes and use the same genetic code for translating RNA into proteins as every other living thing on Earth, something that would only be possible if all life on Earth were related by common descent, as Darwin suggested.
So yeah, five minutes into the movie I'd already given up on it making any sort of logical sense.
Funnily enough, when you brought up about the staples being used to stitch someone’s open wound, that actually happened to my mom after she had a c-section for me. Granted they were removed a few days later, but you’d be surprised what’s used in a medical room sometimes.
Do you remember the good old days when we thought that it was super unrealistic that the characters took of their helmets while in a alien environment before reality taught us that no this movie is not unrealistic if anything it gave us way to much credit
To this day,i still havent completely gotten over this failure....so much potential.
This was one of the funnier BMBs Matt has made
Fun fact: The VFX house that created the effects for the Engineer disintegrating later went on to create the Thanos snap effect in Infinity War.
46:00 I gotta give you credit for being the only reviewer I've seen how noticed that when Janek decided to _kamikaze_ the Prometheus, he only told the people on the bridge, and didn't think of the two others who might be still on board . As it happens, they were neither still on board, nor still alive - Weyland's assistants had gone to prep the medpod, and had been killed and eaten by the squid... that's whose bloody handprints were smeared on the inside of the door, when we get the reverse camera angle with Shaw looking in the window at her 'baby'.
As for the other flight deck crew agreeing to go out with the ship, yes it isn't very credibly acted or presented, but, it's not that odd a decision from their point of view. They know the lifeboat has 2 years of air and supplies for Vickers.... but add 2 more people to that, and suddenly it's maybe 8 months... stuck inside a lifeboat, with the outside atmosphere toxic, 28 months flight time from any rescue from Earth.... and that's assuming no more 'Engineers' return to kill them in the meantime. Going out instantly might seem preferable to the fate that might await them as stranded castaways on LV 223.
I'm still trying to figure out how in 2089 we'll still be using flimsy solar panels as depicted at the archeological site scene. Like damn no future energy source like bio powered batteries or something 🤔
This episode was great
Agreed. Despite the fact that my ears started bleeding. :-D
love Film Brain's freakouts :p
J lol. He wouldn't be so upset if he didn't care. 😂
it just keeps going down, Covenant sucks even harder.
I personally love 1 an 2, think 3 is actually quite alright and even Resurrection to me had very good moments and overall I actually quite like it.
It truly was.
It was an awful movie, no doubt. But I'm glad I watched it - if for no other reason than I could better follow along this movie review. This review was, itself, ten times better than the 'Prometheus' movie. Spot on. And I laughed so hard that milk came out of my nose - and I was drinking coffee at the time! Ha!
Inspite of its many mistakes and logistical questionable choices, I absolutey LOVE Prometheus! It's absolutely beautiful.
Hilarious!
I hate that movie so much, you said everything I felt about it and more!
Matthew - To conclude the series, will you be doing a Bad Movie Beatdown on Alien:
Covenant ?
This review really is too funny
I hated this movie so much. I kind of ruined it for my husband, who thought it was "okay", by just constantly tearing every stupid bit of it. I look forward to seeing what is said about it here.
Absolutely awesome review. I love your delivery and passion you put into all your observations of this film. Prometheus moved the Alien franchise in a bad direction and it's hard to see how it will ever recover from these mistakes, especially since Covenant basically killed the whole franchise in it's entirety. I think a new re-boot is needed to bring the whole thing back on track and reset the timeline and dismiss as canon the Prometheus/Covenant story arcs. I don't think anyone would have a problem with that. Alien needs to be a mysterious and foreboding presence. It should be shocking and horrifying in small doses. This has been well documented in the original Alien film retrospectives. Really interesting to learn that the actual creature in the original film had something like 4 minutes+ screen time, two thirds of which had the monster in shadow.
Supposedly Vickers was an android like David. Hence her flat affect, lack of emotions, why the machine was male only, plus her various other acts of David-esque behaviour. The fans draw attention to the fact that she calls Weyland, “Father”, a la Batty in Blade Runner, while Weyland refers to David as like a son. This could just be fan theory, but Scott vaguely alluded to it by saying, “There might be two,” when asked if Prometheus had any androids. However I think the fans may have more imagination than the filmmakers. It wouldn’t be the first time.
Even if she was an android it doesn't really add anything to the story. Vickers is a largely useless character. I have this feeling that Ridley Scott is going through some old age crisis and this movie was his hamfisted attempt at 'what does it all mean?' but without any actual depth. So it comes across as a pretentious philosophy 101 lecture with gore.
This is probably entirely unnecessary and unwanted three years after the fact, but the use of staples to close a Caesarian wound is medically accurate. They're easier to use on larger wounds, decrease the time needed for surgery, can be less painful, and in the case of Caesarian, they heal faster and often leave a less prominent scar. The character doing parkour afterwards without ripping herself open is still ridiculous, but the medical tech isn't.
... I'm being That Guy and I'm so sorry - it just bugs me a little!
Just watched this film kind of, for some reason couldn't get into it? I turned it off about 40mins in. Looks like I didn't miss much
These movies make me wonder if Ridley Scott is a Doctor Who fan.
Of Doctor Who now.
34:08; One of my favorite lines in the entire Bad Movie Beatdown series.
It's amazing how flamethrowers work in oxygen starved environments.
Imagine if the reason why the crew had to wear full enviro-suits outside the Prometheus was because the planet had a *_heavy methane_* atmosphere. Did the crew even bother to check for _that_ before entering the atmosphere with thrusters blazing?
I may be researching an ill-informed myth, but technically don't we have more in common with bananas than monkeys...?
I've found that giant squid part always to be stupid, normally for something alive to grow in size would have to get some sort of nourishment to increase it's biomass, so what was the squid consuming, contrivance?
This movie does what a movie never should do, it makes you ask the "wrong" questions instead of the "right" ones, for example the space jockey in the first one, it makes you think what it is, what it was like, it's making you to ask the "right" questions so it hooks you along, but the "wrong" questions make you question why anything happens in the movie like they do?
Those wrong questions are supposed to be asked during the development of the project and then either cutting that idea completely or trying to come up with a reason why it happens, they're never supposed to come up when you're watching the completed project.
44:00, The awakened 'Engineer' isn't killing them because they are human. He was selective in his violence. He say Weyland, Ford, and Jackson verbally and phsyically abusing Shaw. He killed Weyland, Ford and Jackson. Shaw, at this stage is limping. The 'Engineer' could easily catch her and snap her in half, but he doesn't bother to chase her. He had no interest in her, until later, _after_ she'd convinced Janek to knock his ship out of the sky.
How's David's decapitated head able to speak without an air source to expel a voice? Also, why isn't there any bruising around Shaw's stitches despite rigorous calisthenics post op? Also, did Vicker ever screw the black dude? Also, why was David carrying Shaw's cross necklace in his pouch? When he removed it he clearly placed it in a specimen jar. Also, how did David speak fluent engineer? These are but a few questions that need to be answered!
I got some suggestions,dude:
Weyland had created the David droids to be (I guess,somewhat?) durable,perhaps? (Haven't checked the David tie-in website/Aliens wiki though,sorry..)
Shaw's stitches/staples were recent and she had injected some apparently superior anaesthetic-like super-steroids/drugs into herself that probably worked too well..well,that-And the shock and rush of adrenaline in her system might've also helped..or harmed,I dunno..
Vickers and Captain Elba? Eh..I think it was just a quickie tryst between them,and Meredith (her real name) just walked and/or worked it off after/later..
Hmm,this one's tricky-I think David had..other plans with it,perhaps..Here's some advice the crew should've had mentioned to when regarding if David were to turn on them: Trust no one/Keep your friends close and your enemies closer..
David was actually PROGRAMMED to learn-and understand-more than just earth-based languages and have the capabilities to do so,along with infinite curiosity/fast-learning capabilities,it's stated on the tie-in website; David WAS on a bit of a solo mission (while everyone was-still-on the ship,obviously) as he was investigating and/or learning about them in the Engineer's temple in the movie,so he had time to kill to do that,dude..
Sharon Spears-mandeville Wow, thanks for your analysis. Still one of the greatest sci-fi films of all time!
I forgot how unhinged you were/perhaps still are?
BRILLIANT (opens 5KG bag of popcorn) Crazy pace mate, I will need a lie down after this! 😉🏆🇬🇧
I'd say Weyland really lowballed when getting scientists for their expedition.
The Darkest Hour, not to be confused with the Gary Oldman historical epic about Winston Churchill of the name Darkest Hour.
He was amazing in it.
why didn't they just build david in to the ship, and he wouldn't need his human like form to watch over them as they sleep, why wouldn't they send robots or drones first.. so many questions, looks good but is literally made out of plot holes..
This and Covenant dedtroyed the Xenomorph's origin.
Imagine for a moment if Prometheus was an origin film that wasn’t connected to the Alien franchise outside of being influenced by it and Ridley Scott directing it.
That’s the problem with so many of these films that are made to be in the universe of an old franchise, despite that the premise alone could be enough to stand on its own.
Some of the shit makes more sense if you think of it as the Engineers not really having a plan, things really just went to shit on them as well and it later also ends up screwing the Prometheus screw later on.
I remember I was irritated watching the movie but you totally crystallized it! Bravo. Very entertaining. You should be a consultant for screenwriters.
The Jon Spaihts drafts were solid, if imperfect, and much more tied to Alien and the xenomorph. But Fox decided they didn't want a straightforward prequel and we got what we got.
Regarding acting as if one is fine when one is not: back when he was young, my late father (an Air Force NCO), had his impacted wisdom teeth chiseled out on a Friday. He was in pain all weekend, but waited until Monday to go on sick call (I forget if he was waiting for the dental clinic to open). By that time he had a raging infection and lost all of his molars but one.
32:18- Actually, Mat, finding that type of scientific evidence wouldn't disprove the existence of God, it would just show that humans are only a much smaller part of his plan.
How did the flame thrower work outside?
Why do you imagine it wouldn't work outside? There is oxygen there to burn. The problem is the carbon monoxide is over 4% which is toxic to humans, but it wouldn't prevent combustion.
Imagine how pissed off Shaw would've been if she learned that David was the one who put that black goo in her boyfriends drink? Which caused him to become infected then passed his infe tion to Shaw, then lead her to give birth to an alien creature. But she'll never learn the truth since she's dead now.
She did learn it was David: she realizes he was responsible when he definitively confirms to Weyland there's nothing harmful in the air.
Thanks for answering my question.
I heard a theory that everything they do in this is due to just-thawed delirium brought on by imperfect cryo technology, which would make as much sense as anything else. 😂 Also, should I even bother to point out how impossible the "these few points on cave walls match these planets... which are... orbiting the star which it doesn't tell us how to find... constantly changing relative positions...." No? Nah, I think we all got that.