1166 A Paper Bicycle - Some Information
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Brings a whole new meaning to using a paper bike to deliver newspapers on a paper round - hopefully it doesn't rain;-)
You can make a submarine out of paper with the right type of glue.
That was exactly what this video was about.
@@shay4578 Just watched the complete video, with the glue it should be good.
lol - I think it will be fine in the rain mate lol
Very interesting, makes me want to study paper materials further
paper is an awesome engineering material mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering This couldn't have been a better timed video!!
I hope you are well and I hope you don't mind me asking, but my best friend, Jasper, (support /assist dog and Super Hero!)
Is a very Good Boy, and likes to trot along with me, especially when I'm on the E-bike.
We Both prefer the E-bike to Mobility Scooters, for a variety of reasons, main one being,,,
I'm Just another bloody Cyclist, rather than a~
*DISABLED Person!*
& the difference is Tangible!!
(Because I went from "normal" to DisAbled", almost overnight!)
Back to Jasper, he's a 'rescue', but, he's rescued me more than times than I can ever care to imagine!
Long story short, he's just torn a Cruciate Ligament!! (Oooucha!!)
&Whilst at the Vets, we found out that he's got Arthritis in both stifles(knees.) and few other bits and pieces of age related issues...
I've been thinking about a "Sidecar", for a while now, usually I just get off, and walk, using the bike as a 'stick', but, until the cruciate is sorted surgically, rested and all the other problems are either resolved(?) we Need a Sidecar for Jasper on the E-bike!!
And I was previously thinking about Welding and Metal, but then saw the Bamboo uploads, and was interested!!
Yesterday was Crunch Time though, finding out about my best friends Cruciate Ligament, means that I must Do Something and I am really going to have to do something Fast!!
Any, and All heip /advice would be Invaluable!!
My brain got the *Cog-Fog, the moment my Jaspers diagnosis was given to me.
Thus, any and almost all of my cognitive functions go to -sh*t-,
Pieces!
Ps, I had decided against welding a metallic sidecar on, as it'd made the bike too heavy for me!!
Respectfully and Affectionally
Yours, from,
Andrea, Jasper and George the Pigeon
Why did I watch this. ROB you have given me yet another project lol.
lol - I am just mean that way mate lol
I think it will be cool what can be made this way
That Casein Glue sounds interesting, I got to try making it sometime! Also, thanks for the very important detail of using paper "grain" to maximize the paper tube strength!
It would probably work just fine if you orient the papers in the stack in different random directions.
@@shay4578 Good point, because that's the way they lay the grain in plywood laminations. I could be wrong but I still have the feeling to maximize the strength in one direction the grain should be aligned in one direction. I've seen laminated archery bows but the grain is always aligned in one direction.
@@William_Hada I agree with that, Cross lamination on an archery bow would be weak compared to being aligned. The grain direction is important to work with where the most stress will be.
in this example most of the stresses are going to be along the tube so we want the grain to run that way - but for a panel stiff in all directions cross ply would be good - for something like a box or model - it wouldn't matter that much
Flour water and salt. ☺️ . And You can make some nice ink base from the colored sections. 🤔 What color bike you making?
flour åter and salt would probably not be a good choice here mate as it is a bike and there needs some degree of water resistance I would think - but it would be good in other circumstances for sure - I was thinking yellow
That was very informative.
Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for always managing to give us these mind-blowing moments 👏
Do you think sodium silicate would work for this? Please consider making a vid about this great paper glue you've mentioned, and other options for paper, if you may...
I think it would work fine mate - I didn't do a vid on the glue as there seemed to be a lot already - but I'll give it a go mate
It would work better if you did a mix of sodium silicate (majority, about 60%) with potassium silicate (about 25%) and lithium silicate (about 15%) added. Makes it more water resistant, makes it last longer, and improves various strengths. Something to do with the various sizes of the molecules and/or atomic orbits helping things to lock in together more tightly, though the research I've read indicates that we don't yet fully understand the whys.
Straight up, unmodified sodium silicate eventually gets very brittle, flaky, and loses adherence strength. And only takes a couple of months. I've been experimenting with it some of late, and have seen it first hand. I looked into the research and found that modified sodium silicate (can also be modified with other materials, such as the sugar alcohol xylitol) has much better and more durable properties, along with being more water resistant.
Even then, you're going to want a more fully water proof outer coating once everything is set and dried. Many things one can use, silicone, epoxy, Titebond III wood glue, etc.
RMS, the Formica countertops started with a paper base and then resin, heat, and pressure form the countertop material.
Casting aerogel inside paper tubes (inside tubular pressure vessel) might work brilliantly.
Might even be a way of making an aerogel like material out of paper.
Cool idea!
How so? Can you explain in more detail please? If it is for structural purposes, I would be more apt to use carbonized nanocellulose crystals since it is far cheaper and fairly easy to make at home. These are basically kind of like nature's version of carbon nanotubes/rods. If it is for insulation purposes, then the aerogel would be better.
As an origami lover I've always thought a bunch of paper sheets is all we need to build anything.
There's a "spinning kirigami" I think can be used for energy harvesting.
paper is just plain awesome as an engineered material
'where each part of the structure is an active power component, & only as a side benefit, structurally sound.'
angelus, do you practice the art! , take your 3d structures & colour them for each part that forms a basic battery/cap layered structure 'carbon/copper collector, carbon foam, separator, carbon foam, carbon/copper collector' unfold it, you now have a flat 2 sided template with marked zones to conductive ink & reconstruct in bulk
If composites are good enough for making spacecraft, they're good enough for a bicycle...... Just need some paper based welding rods now! :hehe:
lol
Fantastic so why not take a "page" from plywood manufacture and change the direction of the grain every other layer? Edit I have to see how you make the sticks.
That's a great idea 💡
it would be good in some circumstances mate - in this example most of the stresses are going to be along the tube so we want the grain to run that way - but for a panel stiff in all directions cross ply would be good - watch 1165 for making the Stixx mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering Thanks Robert :)
@@ThinkingandTinkering Yah, it's basically mimicking the bamboo poles (or wood)l in a roundabout way.
Btw, nice pun, Barskor1.
Great video, very interesting.
Glad you think so!
Hemp is also absolutely amazing!
PCB board were indeed made of pertinax or FR-2 material. It's not often used these days and replaced by FR-4. Basically the paper fiber is replaced by glass fiber.
cheers mate
Playing with the Grey-stuff yet again! ..... Thanks!
We used to have Phenollic cutouts (main fuse holder) .... but they are being phased out due to a small number of them having a small (1 or 2 v) voltage detected on them. The safety elves got all over it and now we replace them ;o(
Do you think it is possible moisture getting in?
awesome mate - cheers
@@lesallison9047 Not really! But you get dust and grease that can contaminate a surface. For me I would just give them a quick wipe down and retest, but Elf n' safety ....
@@totherarf Lmao, I Suspect that the Gremlins got in,,,
Chasing the Elves away....
So they can cause as much Havoc as possible!! Lol! :)
Andrea, Jasper and George the Pigeon. XxX.
I once used toilet paper and crazy glue to fix a cracked blender pitcher.
Fascinating! Do you have any idea as to why this technique isn't in greater use - what is the catch? And are the sticks (?stix, stixx?) bendable or shape-able when wet?
I think it has mostly been used for arts and crafts very little and so isn't generally known - I don't know about your other questions - might be an idea to have a go and see
brilliant. love your videos.
wow - cheers mate
Chinese armor was made of paper, but a little more than 200 years ago! You've made a real world carbon fiber composite. Looking forward to more.
Greeks did that as well cool.
Maybe he meant 2000 years?
@@zylascope Yes, unless he meant newsprint.
I meant paper manufacturing in bulk before that - more or less - it was hand made, slow and expensive
cheers mate
Transcription of the recipe:
Casein based glue
Casein 100g
Water 150g
Calcium hydroxide 20g + water 50g
Thanks for the glue tip! Are standard cardboard boxes of any use for projects like this?
Thanks Rob, never new have to make glue. You taught me something today mate.
cheers mate
It’s awesome! I would like to see the carbon frame making by Rob ! Mate will you do a video about carbon frame? How they got strength and can it be built home ?
Hi Rob,
I’ve tried to replicate the casein-lime glue following your recipe, but didn't go as expected. I don't know what went wrong, but I suspect that the amount of water suggested is too little. Could you please check the quantities? Also, would you mind talking a bit more about the procedure (temperature, stirring time...)?
Many thanks,
Francesc
speaking of canoe, have you seen this shroom based material some scientist women made one from that, very interesting stuff
Curious thought Rob, How about to mix the papers so that you will get the grains in both directions? (Sideways as well as along the stick)
Wouldn't that stiffens things up even more?
it will in some circumstances mate - in this example most of the stresses are going to be along the tube so we want the grain to run that way - but for a panel stiff in all directions cross ply would be good
Very interesting Rob although I can’t stop thinking about its use for my wood burner. We have access to a fair amount of waste newspaper (with help from in-laws etc) and I did go through a period of making ‘logs’ with my hand-pressured Xmas-present log maker 🙂 which doesn’t really work but does use up the paper…….a lot of effort for little reward really. I suppose my thoughts are whether or not your dense paper sticks would burn more effectively and so make the effort worthwhile OR should I simply put the papers into the recycling and let them get repurposed further down the line? Anyway, thanks for planting another seed 👍…….edit……sorry, this is not meant to take away from what you’re doing with the ‘sticks’ in any way, it’s just that I don’t need a paper bike at the mo 😁
I am in absolutely Emergency Need of a Paper Stix Sidecar, For my E-bike!!
My Service dog, Jasper has a ruptured cruciate ligament!!
He needs a strong lightweight sidecar, for longer jaunts and hotter weather!!
(He was going to need one anyway, due to the Shortness of his Legs and hls age..)
I'm in the UK, Reiver country, ie:The English side of the Scottish Borders!!
* So if you have any paper to spare, and you are nearby?!!
Andrea, Jasper and George the Pigeon. XxX.
I think they would probably burn more like a wooden stick mate - well worth a try I would say
The Chinese made Armor with paper and glue. With overlapping plates one inch by 2 inches, 1/2 inch thick.
Tougher than metal.
I was wondering, how well does one of the paper stixs burn, I mean could you heat a home with it if it was made bigger around, like a log.
The only problem is that the ink used in newspaper releases toxins when burned.
give it a go mate
the ink in newspapers is carbon black and oil - what toxins are you thinking about?
I've read that the inks aren't safe to burn, but I just searched Google again and it's the news paper inserts that shouldn't be burned. I apologize for the misinformation.
@@neatt3815 I thought that the ink was soybean base. thanks for the comment
does the paper still roll up in the machine once glue is applied
Definitely interesting. What I would probably do, if I did something like this, is to use woven flax linen or hemp fabric impregnated with a combo of the casein glue mixed with some carbonized nanocellulose crystals. Carbonized nanocellulose crystals are a bit like nature's carbon nanotubes/rods. Very high tensile and Young's Modulus strengths. Then coat the outside with a truly waterproof glue or resin after it all sets. One might want to use a cardboard tube as the core, to get it lighter and more hollow.
It won't be as strong and stiff as a carbon fiber tube, but it should be strong enough to work. If you want to get near carbon fiber strength per weight, a combo of bamboo pole plus S-glass fiberglass, high quality composite epoxy, and carbonized nanocellulose crystals will get you pretty close on a strength to weight ratio. Note, if using bamboo as the core, you have to sand/abrade the outer layer off some in order to get other materials to bond well with it. The outermost layer of bamboo is usually very silica rich and harder to bond well to.
Hi Robert, would you allow a BMX experienced rider to use the paper bike to perform stunts on a half pipe?
at their own risk - sure
I have looked all over for casein all I see is protein powder, any suggestions?
Going against the grain is tearable, or terrible? :)
Paper! (its just very thin wood!)
yep!
Sort of. A good bit of the lignin is removed. The lignin is one of the structural materials that helps the overall natural composite have greater, well, structure, and strength to weight ratio. The glue adds some of that back in, but at a density cost (and depending on the glue, possibly also at tensile, Young's modulus, etc various strengths cost).
I understand that this is meant to be an alternative, in a sense, to the bamboo for the people who don't have easy and inexpensive access to bamboo, but bamboo is definitely the superior material. And bamboo reinforced with a bit of S-glass fiberglass, high quality composite epoxy, and carbonized nanocellulose crystals (can be made at home by many with some research and practice) rivals carbon fiber on a strength to weight ratio, but at much less cost both financially and environmentally.
Hey is anyone tried to use non toxic materials to make this structures ? Flour glue (or lime-white cheese one?), then linseed oil when dry..? I wonder if it could be viable to make construction beam like this...
Urea glue, dare I ask ? Seriousley tho cant wait to watch this one .your content recently has become a lot more interesting to me personally .Alltho I might be ''slightly weird ''.keep up the good work . very entertaining.;-)
cheers mate - oh by the way - slightly weird - you and me both lol
How are you pressing it?
I am not - I am relying on the roller to roll the Stixx tight enough so they can be their own pressure
200 years? seems like paper has been around quite a bit longer than that, unless you are talking about a specific type of paper or something.
paper manufacturing in bulk before that - more or less - it was hand made, slow and expensive
@@ThinkingandTinkering ah ok, yeah I expect soon it will be that way again, since it seems everyone wants to go digital and stop using it to "save the trees" or "save the earth" LOL (never mind all the CO2 that is released in the air when a tree someone planted rots after dying, releasing all that CO2 it had captured, with the only way to solve this is to cut it down and turn the wood into something to be kept indefinitely like solid wood very well made furniture that can and would be handed down, for generations, trapping the carbon it is made out of, as long as people choose to retain it and maintain it. :)
@@ThinkingandTinkering I still want to try making the enzyme broken down wood pulp that is supposed to yield very long cellulose fibers to make virtually bullet proof paper, as it being turned into building material like layered or rolled and squeezed in a mold to make rectangular tubes would make some phenomenal building studs or layers with the fibers crisscrossed would make sheets to build walls from, all while retaining it indefinitely in structures like that, rather than it rotting away, since even twigs could be broken down to make this stuff, (same with bamboo I would guess, maybe even longer fibers to make wood replacement structures :)
so.. trying to bring the (confusing) chemistry lexicon back to basic (engineering) thinking , that makes a cheap ( by the litre) diy hydrogen ion exchange *resin* useful in a practical solid -carbonised- A3+ paper rolled battery -bike frame- structure !
where each part of the structure is an active power component, & only as a side benefit, structurally sound.
something *Peroxide,* any of a class of chemical compounds in which two oxygen atoms are linked together by a single covalent bond. Several organic and inorganic peroxides are useful as bleaching agents, as initiators of *polymerization* reactions, and in the preparation of hydrogen peroxide (q.v.) and other oxygen compounds.
*Hydrogen* peroxide - urea (also called Hyperol, artizone, urea hydrogen peroxide, and UHP) is *a solid composed of equal amounts of hydrogen peroxide and urea.* ... Often called carbamide peroxide in the dental office, it is used as a source of hydrogen peroxide for bleaching, disinfection, and oxidation.
hehe... 200 years? Is that all? :) I'm just playing with you. :)
paper manufacturing in bulk before that - more or less - it was hand made, slow and expensive
@@ThinkingandTinkering I know it.... lol. It's ironic that the history of paper dates back about 2000 years. The difference a zero makes.