The Dangers of Liberalism | Jimmy Allen

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What do we mean when we use the term “liberal”? This is a term that is thrown around so much that it has almost lost its meaning in the 21st Century. In this lecture, Jimmy Allen talks about what liberalism truly is and the dangers of it. This lecture took place at the 54th annual Harding University Lectureship on October 7, 1977.
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[@timfowler4642]

Great to hear my brother Jimmy again after 20+ years. Thanks for posting, it encourages me to the depths knowing from personal experience how changed a man Bro Allen was from sinner to saint!

[@jamesmott2288]

Thankyou for playing more Jimmy Allen. What a great Bible teacher.

[@JimMoss-vj4vv]

This was an outstanding speech.

[@Kurt2222]

I met Jimmy Allen years ago in Texas. Didn't know much about him, then I heard from preachers that Jimmy Allen taught false doctrine regarding why one is to be baptized. Supposedly he said that one does not need to understand it is for the forgiveness of sins. So people I know condemned him for claiming that.
So he is labeled as being liberal. Does anyone have info on this charge?

[@TheProgressivePrimitivist]

For more information about Jimmy’s position on how much one must understand for baptism to be valid, you should consult his book “Rebaptism.” We don’t exactly agree with Jimmy’s view of this, holding that one must have faith that God is performing a saving work in baptism for it to be in fact saving (Col 2:12). However, we don’t hold Jimmy to have been a false teacher. His view on this matter was nearly universally held in the church until Austin McGary started to oppose it through the Firm Foundation in 1884. Brothers of the past like Foy Wallace and Guy Woods who disagreed with what would become Jimmy’s view never labeled as false teachers brothers like David Lipscomb and James A Harding who had held it.

[@Kurt2222]

@@TheProgressivePrimitivist do you have any videos on the church of Christ existing before Campbell?
I've seen that in Europe during 1600 and 1700s that they existed. And I've read there was a few in North America before Campbell Stone movement took place.

[@TheProgressivePrimitivist]

@@Kurt2222 Sorry, but we don’t have any videos delving into “restoration” churches prior to the start of the American Restoration Movement. Check out Lynn McMillon’s book “Restoration Roots.”

[@brendanjobe6895]

He was labeled as a liberal for teaching that one is saved by faith alone, so long as faith is properly defined. That is 100% true, and the scholarship of the world was on his side (as far as the possible definitions of pistis/pisteuo), but that position also irked some people.

[@Kurt2222]

@@brendanjobe6895 saved by faith is a word play for certain. Most of what I've heard from the general collection of preachers uses that phrase correctly, obviously defining it accordingly.
But for Jimmy or others to say you don't have to understand what baptism is actually for is not good. Without faith it is impossible to please God. If an infant doesn't have valid baptism due to absence of understanding, then it would apply to those who are capable of understanding but fail to. No different than partaking of the communion during worship, one can eat and drink damnation to himself by not properly do so. Vain worship, vain baptism.

[@JimMoss-vj4vv]

Is not amazing that everyone in the Church of Christ is teaching false doctrine. I wonder why there is much division in the Church. We claim to speak where the Bible speaks , and no one is teaching the truth.

[@brendanjobe6895]

There is very little division in the church of Christ simply because God places one in His church - and it is He who does the removing from His church. If instrumental music in worship, for instance, is without New Testament authority and is displeasing to God, then it follows that those few "churches of Christ" who utilize it are in fact not churches of Christ.

[@JimMoss-vj4vv]

The church of christ is one of the most divided churches . There is division because no one considers their opinion to be an opinion. You mention instrumental music_____________McGarvey did not make instrumental music a matter of fellowship. In fact he held meetings in many christian churches in Kentucky. He never asked churches where he held meetings whether there were using instrumental music. There has been division in the restoration movement since its beginning.

[@brendanjobe6895]

@@JimMoss-vj4vv McGarvey, however, is not God. Who's to say whether or not he was preaching to a local church of Christ when that congregation had just finished singing with mechanical instrumental accompaniment? We know how to tell who is a Baptist, a Catholic, a Methodist, etc. Just who places one in the church for which Christ died?

[@JimMoss-vj4vv]

@@brendanjobe6895 McGarvey was not preaching to a local church of christ. He was preaching in the christian church where they used instrumental music. In the Hardeman-Boswell debate in 1924___________Dr Boswell said that McGarvey conducted many meetings at his church where the instrument was used and he never asked not to use instrumental music. They played IM at McGarveys funeral. Baptists believe and are baptized___________so according to Mark 16:16 they will be saved.

[@JimMoss-vj4vv]

In my opinion God places those in the church who accept Him and have a relationship with Him.